Who will (not should) be the Democratic presidential nominee in 2008?

[Buccaneer]

Reading the long analysis summary on cnn, what do you think the turning in her campaign was? Iowa? Super Tuesday? Missouri? Indiana/NC?

[SFL Cat]

She's going to have to go on the road with him to help him, if this is going to really stick.

I don't see that happening unless she gets the VP nod or some bone thrown to her during the convention (key note speech, maybe?).

[wbatl1]

Reading the long analysis summary on cnn, what do you think the turning in her campaign was? Iowa? Super Tuesday? Missouri? Indiana/NC?

My own brief answer: turning point was super tuesday and straw that broke the camel's back was Indiana/NC.

[SFL Cat]

Obama certainly picked up most of his momentum from Super Tuesday, and Clinton was playing catchup after that.

[ISiddiqui]

Wow... that was a great speech by Clinton.

It would be far better if she told them straight up that voting for McCain is voting against her.

While she didn't explicitly say it that way, he was quiet obvious, talking about how much better things would have been if Democrats were in the White House to push issues like civil liberties.

[JPhillips]

Buc: Iowa. That allowed African-American voters to believe that he could actually win. They shifted for him in SC and after that win he dominated a key constituency of the primary.

You can go back further, though, if you'd like. Her Iraq vote and failure to renounce it gave Obama a niche for his campaign. The obscene amount of money she threw away in her Senate reelection could have been put to good use in the primary. Hiring Mark Penn guaranteed a loss.

[ISiddiqui]

Transcript of the speech:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/07/us/politics/07text-clinton.html

It's a bit long, so I won't post it here.

[sterlingice]

Quite true (sometimes you wonder what would have happened if she didn't put her career on hold for her husband's political career) ... but that also speaks to a sad reality. How far can a woman get in this country in politics?

I don't think it has very much at all to do with her being a woman. I was talking to someone at my work before the caucus here in Kansas and she asked "Do you think a woman can win the Presidency right now". And I'll stand by my response: "Of course, just not this one."

I mean, really, in a country that is pretty much 50/50 men/women and all have the right to vote. Why in the heck would being one or the other be a huge disadvantage? It's just that because women in power is a fairly recent phenomenon that they don't have the "infrastructure"- only a few women senators, representatives, and governors- so the pool of "qualified candidates" is much smallter than men. But that will change and is already changing. It's just that these things take some time.

SI

[Buccaneer]

Still wide open, don't you think?

[flere-imsaho]

Here's the Clinton post-mortem: The Front-Runner’s Fall (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200809/hillary-clinton-campaign)

[Fighter of Foo]

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