Cigarette?

[Karlifornia]

Where are my cigarette smokers on FOFC? Is it still uncool to smoke? Smoking is bad for your sacred temple, and it's disgusting. It's basically the 2007 Dolphins of health. Well call me Greg Camarillo, because I smoke cigarettes sometimes.

I smoke when I drink. A lot. When I decide to drink, I drink like Dean FUCKING Martin. And I smoke more than '77 Yugo. I don't waste time with Chocolate Martinis or Tom Collins mix. I drink whiskey..or bourbon..or scotch...and I shoot that shit down. Does it taste good? Of course not. Anyone who says they drink liquor for the taste is a liar and a bastard. Would you drink that shit if there was no alcohol in it? Not a chance. So what cuts the taste of rotten plants better than a cig? Nothing. That's what. It's also the icebreaker of icebreakers. Something about that little tobacco-filled roll gets conversation flowing like the Nile River. Case in point:



#1: Wow...that Old Granddad sure tastes like your mama's armpits!

#2: Boy, you can say that again! The liquor dulls our senses, and keeps us from taking a real look inside of ourselves. We are completely flawless, at least for tonight!

#1: Yes! You are so right. But now we have nothing to talk about. We are empty. We would never hang out sober. We are two completely different people

#2: Well, I think I'll go outside and smoke. Care to join me?

#1: That sounds exquisite. These people suck. I don't enjoy hearing about people's kids and mortgage loans. You don't seem any more interesting, but you do have a lighter.



38 minutes, and 3 cigarettes later:




#1: No fucking way. So then you were discharged?

#2: Well, cutting off my own thumbs was extreme, but they knew I wouldn't be able to fire an antiaircraft gun.




My mom smoked all throughout my childhood. I always said I hated cigarettes, and I did. My dad never smoked. He hated when my mom did. I was on my dad's side.

Then one day, me and my buddy Glenn were stoned and walking back from the mall. We found this half full pack of Marlboro Lights on the ground. The rest was history.

Smoking fags...where do you stand?

[stevew]

I started up again earlier this year. I really need to stop. Although i guess i don't smoke quite as bad as i did before(about a 1/3rd pack per day now). And unfortunately I find camel menthol lights to be flat out amazing and enjoyable.

[Lathum]

I played sports growing up so it never appealed to me.

Now I still don't understand what would posses someone to smoke. It is repulsive. And I like to drink. I never really realized how much I hate it until they outlawed smoking in bars. Once I could go out and not stink at the end of the night that made a huge difference.

Now if we are out and I smell a ciggarette the stench cuts through everything.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I did the social smoking thing a few times, but that was it. I never understood the appeal.

I'm with Lathum. I find it repulsive. I wish Michigan would get with the 21st Century and pass a smoking ban, but this crap ass state never will. It's backwards is so many, many ways.

[Kodos]

My friends egged me on to try smoking a few times in my late teens, but I never found the experience even remotely enjoyable. In fact, like Bill Clinton, I'm not sure I ever successfully inhaled.

[Lathum]

It's actualy kind of sad people feel they have to invite someone to smoke to have an interesting conversation with them.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm pretty sure I've covered this ground before.

I smoke pretty much on par with my coffee consumption (about 2-3 packs & 2-3 pots per day). Oddly enough though, it doesn't seem that coffee is actually one of my strongest triggers (hands down that honor goes being at a keyboard).

[Crapshoot]

Its a vile, disgusting habit - but I'll smoke a cigarette if I've had a lot to drink.

[Lathum]

(about 2-3 packs & 2-3 pots per day)

:eek:

[Lorena]

I tried to but couldn't

[Mantle2600]

I smoked for nearly 4 years and finally was able to quit back in April. I havent even wanted one really, now that I quit I see how bad they friggin stink.

[Lathum]

I tried to but couldn't

gag reflex?


ducks

[Izulde]

I'll smoke tobacco every once in a while, but for me to really enjoy it, it has to be a clove.

Man, I can't wait to get back to the US where they actually have cloves.

[Schmidty]

Never smoked. Never will.

[-apoc-]

I just quit smoking at the very end of Oct. after about 10 years. If it wasnt so bad for me and didnt leave me smelling like crap I would take it up again in a heartbeat. Oh to dream :)

[thesloppy]

I quit two years ago after about 15 years. Although I'd love to pretend it was brought on by some sort of quest to get healthy or better myself, I think I just got tired of spending 6 dollars a day on smokes when that cash could be going towards strippers or better drugs.

[MJ4H]

I quit two years ago after about 15 years. Although I'd love to pretend it was brought on by some sort of quest to get healthy or better myself, I think I just got tired of spending 6 dollars a day on smokes when that cash could be going towards strippers or better drugs.

awesome

[sabotai]

I smoked off and on for about 12 years. The first 5 years or so (college and right after), I smoked 1-2 packs a day (Malboro Red, not that pussy menthol light crap). The last several years, it was more of a social thing. I've tried quitting several times, sometimes as long as a year or more, but I always end up going back.

I have one more cigarette left. It has been sitting in my car for about 4 days and I've said it will be my last. We'll see.

[JetsIn06]

Never smoked a thing in my life. I think their pretty dumb, pointless, and disgusting.

[JS19]

Always said I would never use any tobacco product, but when i joined the Marines that went right out the window. Started using skoal, quit for a real long time (real long time by my standards) but not too long ago at a Giants game I was drunk and started it again. Now it's a "only when I drink thing". I still hate cigarettes though and don't understand how people can smoke them. Lathum touched on it, the greatest law in all the land is no smoking in bars/restaurants.

[thesloppy]

Never smoked a thing in my life. I think their pretty dumb, pointless, and disgusting.

Well yeah, but I don't think anybody starts smoking, thinking it's going to save the world.

[gottimd]

I used to smoke about a pack a day up until about 2 years ago. I put on the patch and quit.

I only recently started to smoke when I drink, but maybe one to two. I don't have any urges or nic fits when at work or any other time other than when I am out drinking.

[Greyroofoo]

I have to be really drunk to even stand being around people who're smoking.

[JetsIn06]

Well yeah, but I don't think anybody starts smoking, thinking it's going to save the world.

I never said that. I just think it's stupid and pointless...because of that, I have no idea why people start.

[st.cronin]

I used to smoke, quit in basic training. I actually started out dipping, replaced that with cigarettes, then quit. At my peak I was at maybe a pack a day, usually less than that. I found quitting much easier than I expected, and have never looked back.

[Abe Sargent]

Im a social smoker

[Lorena]

I had such a shitty day, if I could smoke, I'd suck the hell out of that bitch and let the toxic fumes linger in my lungs and exhale ever so slowly to a point where it burns my throat.

Hellacious day, absolutely horrid.

[Scoobz0202]

I smoke about a pack a day. Two packs a day on the weekends when I am drinking. Currently, I know how bad it is for me, but quite frankly I do a lot of shit that is unhealthy. I don't exercise regularly. I drink excessively. I have a shitty diet. Maybe someday I'll start working on those things one-by-one, but hell I'm only 20 so I'm sure eventually I will and will maybe fall into the category "I smoked in my younger days, then I got wise" but right now I am not to worried.

[Raiders Army]

I started up again this year after quitting in 2004. I will quit again when I leave the Army next year.

[CU Tiger]

Never smoked, hated it my whole life. My mom used to smoke like a chimney
, and I kept geetting bronchitous and (sp?) chest colds as a kid, hell she smoked so much her solution was to make me go outside when she smoked (no shit, and people wonder why I legally emancipated at 15)

I picked up dipping and basically lived with a pinch of Copenhagen in my mouth for 12 years.(Seriously id eat with it in, workout, run, Yes even done THAT with it in) But when my son started walking around and spitting in cups, I knew it was time to quit. Threw it out and neever wanted it again.


I now have thee best of both worlds. Never want it, but 2 or 3 times/year if I am fishing or just in th mood, I can chew and not want it again. But smoking, nah it disgusts me.

[JonInMiddleGA]

the greatest law in all the land is no smoking in bars/restaurants.

Unless you're a bar/restaurant owner who has seen their business suffer because of the government intrusion. Estimates in some parts of Georgia were as high as 20% (I say "parts" because I've never seen a statewide figure cited, only a handful from the city/county level).

[Noop]

Weed Count?

[sabotai]

I found quitting much easier than I expected, and have never looked back.

Quitting is easy, until...

I had such a shitty day, if I could smoke, I'd suck the hell out of that bitch and let the toxic fumes linger in my lungs and exhale ever so slowly to a point where it burns my throat.

Hellacious day, absolutely horrid.

Then it's very hard. It's not the smoking I have a problem quitting, it's the shitty days. String a few of them in a row, and sometimes I crumble and buy a pack. If I could just stop having really bad days, quitting would be a piece of cake.

mmmmmm.....cake......(speaking of things I need to quit....)

[Swaggs]

I've social smoked in the past and will occasionally smoke a cigar, but I've never consistently been a smoker.

Anyone that smokes regularly, I recommend that you keep a good eye on your blood pressure and weight. My mom, who smoked for nearly 40-years had a series of strokes over the late-Summer/early-Fall and, fortunately, only lost some of her vision and, temporarily, her word-finding ability. But, it was very stressful, traumatic, financially-draining, and scary for her and my family. She can no longer drive, either.

[k0ruptr]

pack a day for me.

[BYU 14]

I started young and actually even smoked while playing Football, it was still easy to do and stay in shape in my late teens. Quit when I was 31 and didn't smoke until my 40th birthday, when I had one for the hell of it. Because of that for almost 5 years I have battled it, alternating between not smoking for months at a time, social smoking and full blown half a pack a day smoking. I am currently on my 3rd week smoke free and need to stay that way.

Closing in on 45 my blood pressure was creeping into the low 130's over 85-90 range smoking. In just over two weeks smoke free it is 115-120 over 75-80 again. It's funny how when you are in your 20's smoking doesn't seem to effect you if you are active, but it kicks your ass once you get into your 30's and 40's.

I am an anomaly in that I have been active and physically fit my whole life, but I am with JIMGA in that I actually enjoy smoking. I am just to the point now where I realize I need to sacrifice that enjoyment to stay around for another 30-40 years :)

[B & B]

I smoke about a pack a day. Two packs a day on the weekends when I am drinking. Currently, I know how bad it is for me, but quite frankly I do a lot of shit that is unhealthy. I don't exercise regularly. I drink excessively. I have a shitty diet. Maybe someday I'll start working on those things one-by-one, but hell I'm only 20 so I'm sure eventually I will and will maybe fall into the category "I smoked in my younger days, then I got wise" but right now I am not to worried.



Great post.


Personally, I gave up cigs about 3 years ago. I never tried to quit, or quit because thats not how I believe its done. I just dont smoke anymore, that doesnt mean that it wont happen tomorrow or next week. If I want a cigarrette then I will buy a pack and smoke them. Its a simple choice like buying a dr. pepper or a candy bar.


This whole bull$hit mulit million dollar quit smoking gum/-patch/shot/lozenge/inhaler/pill crap is waaaaay outta hand.

I never ONCE tried to stop smoking. I enjoyed smoking, very, very, very much. I liked the feeling it gave me, I liked the nicotine, I liked the smell of the tobacco. I even liked the disconcerning looks from the nonsmokers who didnt want their clothes and hair to smell like tobacco. Fuck em. Go to another bar. Catch a second hand buzz or fukk off.

My personal smoking triumph came when I put down 4 packs of Marlboro reds down in 24 hours. I was a chimney incarnate. Puffing and puffing to no end. During the last pack I was on the clock and wasnt allowed more than a minute of 'non-smoking' time between cigarettes, or I wouldnt have finished that fourth pack. Been there, done that.


Never quit something until the time comes that you want to. You have to want it. People have stopped being accountable for their actions, and its bullshit.

But by all means....

Do what you want to, when you want to.

[Lathum]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Typical attitude from an asshole smoker. The rest of the world should have to be inconvienienced because you wanna kill yourself.

[MikeVic]

I think I'm gonna take up shooting innocent civilians. If you don't want to get shot, fuck you get out of the way of my bullet.

I hate cigarettes and the smoke. I'm so glad I live somewhere that bans smoking indoors in public places.

[Scoobz0202]

I definitely ask people around me if they mind if I smoke if we are not in an open area. But If I am outside in a open area and somebody wants to get shitty with me about it then I would not give a fuck what they said.

[Young Drachma]

Grew up around smokers, so I never had the urge or desire to try it. These days, the stuff makes my eyes hurt being around it and since there are smoking bans even in a few Wyoming cities..I don't really have to deal with it much anymore. But we went out a few weeks ago to this old small town dive bar and I couldn't stand the stuff for more than an hour before I needed to get out of there and wash everything that smelled of smoke.

[Marc Vaughan]

I think I'm gonna take up shooting innocent civilians. If you don't want to get shot, fuck you get out of the way of my bullet.

I hate cigarettes and the smoke. I'm so glad I live somewhere that bans smoking indoors in public places.

I personally don't smoke any more (have given up for probably around 1 1/2 - 2 years now) .... however I defend other peoples right to smoke.

I think the harm from cigarettes has been vastly exagerrated personally, lets put it this way when I commuted into London from the countryside as a kid I could 'taste' the difference in the air ... so imho there are many factors in the diseases etc. which are being attributed solely to the evil of smoking presently.

It'll be interesting to see what research indicates in 20 years time in England - it might be that everything cured and all is well, however I expect the drop to be (which noticable) much less than is currently advertised.

(and on a health front am I the only person who felt like crap for ages after giving up smoking, I got loads of colds and other problems which cigarettes had somehow kept from me previously ... I felt no health benefits at all while in comparison dieting and getting some exercise made me feel great after dropping a few pounds)

[mauchow]

I don't smoke, never have, never will. My wife is the same way.

The worst thing ever is walking along anywhere and someone who smokes passes you by(not even smoking at the moment, mind you) and you just SMELL them. I HAAAATE! HATE that smell. So disgusting.

Also, I hate walking by someone who smokes. I take an obvious BIG round about pass the person to avoid as much of the smell as possible.

Its the ones that aren't smoking at the moment who catch you off guard and make you smell that nastiness.

[Neon_Chaos]

I smoke where it's legal to smoke. If it's in an inappropriate place, I refrain from doing so. I try not to bother anyone with my smoking, and would appreciate it if they didn't bother me about it too. I've tried to quit here and there, but can't completely drop the habit. Yes, it's a disgusting habit, and I would discourage any non-smoker from starting. Yes, it is addictive, anyone who says it isn't is in denial. Do I wish I hadn't started smoking? Actually, no, I'm fine the way I am. Am I going to get bit in the ass by my smoking? Most likely. Sigh. All this thinking is stressing me out. Time for a smoke.

[Suburban Rhythm]

My wife tells me i smoke after sex. ;)

Seriously, never touched a cigarettte. But, when I was younger, my dad smoked cigars. I was about 5-6 when he said "go ahead try it" and I think i nearly died. My eyes watered, i couldn't breath.

So after that, I was never tempted to try a cigarette.

Also...smoked trout is fantastic.

[miked]

Unless you're a bar/restaurant owner who has seen their business suffer because of the government intrusion. Estimates in some parts of Georgia were as high as 20% (I say "parts" because I've never seen a statewide figure cited, only a handful from the city/county level).

I thought just Decatur had a big ban on smoking in bars/restaurants. In Atlanta (or at least Dekalb) many of the bars still have smoking. I think if a certain percentage of your business comes from food, then you can't have smoking. But there's a great sports bar down the street from me called Benchwarmers, but I can't stand being there because the whole place just stinks of smoke. I used to smoke in college but took a respirator test to work with some viruses for a drug company; I came back congested even though I felt fine. I quit cold that day.

The ban is awesome, because it's a lifestyle choice that negatively affects me that was being forced upon me. Can't I enjoy the game at a bar/restaurant without risk to my well being?

[JonInMiddleGA]

I thought just Decatur had a big ban on smoking in bars/restaurants. In Atlanta (or at least Dekalb) many of the bars still have smoking. I think if a certain percentage of your business comes from food, then you can't have smoking.

In May 05 the state banned smoking "in public places with exemptions for restaurants and bars that do not serve minors, designated hotel rooms and workplaces with separately ventilated rooms for smokers".

The ban is awesome, because it's a lifestyle choice that negatively affects me that was being forced upon me. Can't I enjoy the game at a bar/restaurant without risk to my well being?

AFAIC your right to enjoy the game should not trump my right to be able to enjoy it there as well. And the smoking ban completely eliminated my ability to enjoy the game there, as I really can't think of anything enjoyable in life that doesn't involve a cigarette in close proximity. Only the business owner has any business whatsoever making the smoking decision for their establishment.

[Drake]

I'm pretty sure I've covered this ground before.

I smoke pretty much on par with my coffee consumption (about 2-3 packs & 2-3 pots per day). Oddly enough though, it doesn't seem that coffee is actually one of my strongest triggers (hands down that honor goes being at a keyboard).

This is me exactly (except I smoke only a pack a day). But the 2-3 pots of coffee and being a chimney at the keyboard, oh yeah.

Edit to add: Then again, if I could smoke at work like Jon can, I'd probably be smoking 2-3 packs a day as well. :)

[Honolulu_Blue]

Unless you're a bar/restaurant owner who has seen their business suffer because of the government intrusion. Estimates in some parts of Georgia were as high as 20% (I say "parts" because I've never seen a statewide figure cited, only a handful from the city/county level).

I could possibly see this happening with the type of partial ban you described. But almost every figure I have seen actually showed that business had increased for restaurants and bars in cities/states where smoking was banned. I know this has been the case in New York. Actually, I don't think I've seen any study (not that I've looked extensively) that showed a negative impact to such businesses that wasn't backed by the tabacco industry.

This was the lame-ass argument made by the fucktards in Michigan state senate when they shuffled the ban to die in committee. It's pathetically short-sighted. Any speculative loss to such business owners would be more than offset by other gains to the Michigan economy.

I do a lot of health care work and ever-increasing health care costs are one of employers' largest concerns, especially in a struggling economy like Michigan. These costs continue to go up and up and up...

It's shown that cigarette sales in states that have banned smoking have declined dramatically. The fewer people who smoke or the less people smoke, the healthier they are. The healthier they are, the less business owners have to pay to cover their health care. The less businesses have to pay out for health care, the more they can invest in new jobs, products, etc. I think a healthier population would be attractive to businesses looking to relocate or expand operations. This would, of course, be better for local/state economies.

If it's a statewide ban, people will still go out. I think the number of people who will decided to stay home and smoke will be out weighed or at least easily made up for by the people who be willing to go out more because there is no smoking. Such "hardliners" are on the fringe.

As for the whole "it should be left up to each individual business owner" argument and a smoking ban would infringe on such owners' freedoms, these arguments would actually carry some weight if the government already didn't regulate a vast array public health issues for such businesses.

Restuarant owners aren't allowed to serve rotten food. Restuarant/bar owners need a liquor license to sell alcohol. Even then, they don't have the right to serve anyone under the age of 21. Restaurant/bar owners have to ensure their establishments meet various other public health and fire cod regulations. We've all come to accept these as good things. The smoking ban is the next logical step. Remember, these bans are geared to protecting the health of the employees, not the patrons.

[Neon_Chaos]

This is me exactly (except I smoke only a pack a day). But the 2-3 pots of coffee and being a chimney at the keyboard, oh yeah.

Edit to add: Then again, if I could smoke at work like Jon can, I'd probably be smoking 2-3 packs a day as well. :)

Nothing like taking a break from the keyboard, lighting up a stogie, just relishing the tobacco flavor and releasing the stress. :)

[jeheinz72]

I've smoked for awhile now. I smoke a bit over a half-pack a day. I'll quit, eventually. I want to.

I do go somewhat out of my way to make sure I don't bug others with my smoking. I don't like to smoke indoors in any way, and if I'm at some sort of gathering or some such and I want a smoke, I make sure to get a pretty good distance from any apparent non-smokers.

[Kodos]

I think smoking bans are terrific. I'm also lucky that most of my friends have not been smokers.

[cuervo72]

I smoke about a pack a day. Two packs a day on the weekends when I am drinking. Currently, I know how bad it is for me, but quite frankly I do a lot of shit that is unhealthy. I don't exercise regularly. I drink excessively. I have a shitty diet. Maybe someday I'll start working on those things one-by-one, but hell I'm only 20 so I'm sure eventually I will and will maybe fall into the category "I smoked in my younger days, then I got wise" but right now I am not to worried.

That, or you'll be a 250lb, 40yo alcoholic with diabetes and high blood pressure!

[Schmidty]

The biggest thing that annoys me the most about smokers (other than the obvious stench), is their total disregard for littering laws. It's like once a person becomes a tobacco addict, they lose all consideration for others and seem to feel like the world is their ashtray.

[Drake]

I am always amused by how worked up people get about the behavior of smokers.

[Schmidty]

I am always amused by how worked up people get about the behavior of smokers.

And I get amused by how antagonistic and smarmy smokers are about their addiction.

I'm not even remotely worked up. It's more of a sense of scorn, than it is any kind of constant anger or rage directed toward smokers. I just think the vast majority of butt-chuckers are inconsiderate with regard to their habit.

[Schmidty]

By the way, my "scorn" isn't about a smoker as a human, just regarding the habit.

[Drake]

Good to see that it doesn't get you worked up.

[Schmidty]

Good to see that it doesn't get you worked up.

Thanks.

[Izulde]

Ah, in a few days I'll be able to get my hands on Djarum Blacks again.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I am always amused by how worked up people get about the behavior of smokers.

The only time I get "worked up" about the behavior of smokers is when their cigarette smoke prevents my wife from being able to breathe.

The fucking terrorists gave her asthma.

[RomaGoth]

I wish Michigan would get with the 21st Century and pass a smoking ban, but this crap ass state never will. It's backwards is so many, many ways.

They finally just passed a smoking ban in the bowling alleys here. Now I feel the urge to join a bowling league, rent some of those crappy looking shoes, and bowl my little heart out.

BTW, why would anyone actually BUY those stupid shoes? Ahh, but that is another discussion for another thread......;)

[RomaGoth]

Interesting. So the millions of deaths each year from lung cancer are, in fact, not related to smoking cigarettes? Considering my grandfather died from it, I would have to seriously question your reasoning behind that statement.


I think the harm from cigarettes has been vastly exagerrated personally

and on a health front am I the only person who felt like crap for ages after giving up smoking, I got loads of colds and other problems which cigarettes had somehow kept from me previously ... I felt no health benefits at all while in comparison dieting and getting some exercise made me feel great after dropping a few pounds)

Hmmm. Did you ever consider that maybe your immune system was considerably down because of your previous smoking habit? It takes quite a while for your lungs and body to recover from the tar that is inside you after smoking. Trust me, I smoked for 10 years before quitting in 2004. I have never felt better and have no desire to ever get near the stuff again.

[RomaGoth]

AFAIC your right to enjoy the game should not trump my right to be able to enjoy it there as well. And the smoking ban completely eliminated my ability to enjoy the game there, as I really can't think of anything enjoyable in life that doesn't involve a cigarette in close proximity. Only the business owner has any business whatsoever making the smoking decision for their establishment.

But shouldn't clean air be available for everyone? I was a smoker at one time and was pissed off at how I was treated. Then, even before I quit, I came to the realization people whom don't smoke should not be forced to inhale the stuff because I smoke. That is like me making the decision for them that they will smoke. I quit in 2004 and am fine with it. Never wanted one again. If people want to smoke in their house or car that is their option. But if I am in a public place, where NOBODY owns the air I breathe, then I or my kids should not have to breath cigarette smoke because somebody else has decided for us that they need to smoke.

[MikeVic]

I really can't believe there are people still defending smoking in public. You're at worst killing and at a minimum harming yourself and those around you. Please get some self respect for you and your body instead of coming up with excuses.

[RomaGoth]

I really can't believe there are people still defending smoking in public. You're at worst killing and at a minimum harming yourself and those around you. Please get some self respect for you and your body instead of coming up with excuses.

Agreed. The sad thing is, those are the people that will live until they are 90, and then say "see, I told you smoking wasn't bad for you!". In fact, it IS bad for you, just some people get lucky.

[st.cronin]

I am one of those people who spends a lot more money in bars and restaurants in towns with smoking bans.

[Drake]

I've never pretended to defend smoking as a good idea.

Of course, I take the same approach to bars and alcohol in general.

[sabotai]

I really can't believe there are people still defending smoking in public.

Some of us are still able to seperate our own personal wants from our views on the function and power of government. I would personally love for there not to be any smokers in any place that I go, but I also do not think the governement should be able to have the power to ban smoking from bars or other private establishments (especially ones where only adults go to). If you can legally do it on property you own, then the owner of the bar should be able to allow it on his property.

[thesloppy]

While it's certainly hard to defend smoking as a lifestyle choice, I'd like to see how a thread with such open and direct scorn for obesity would fly.

Show some self respect, fucking fatties.

[st.cronin]

While it's certainly hard to defend smoking as a lifestyle choice, I'd like to see how a thread with such open and direct scorn for obesity would fly.

Show some self respect, fucking fatties.

Actually, I also tend not to patronize bars that allow fat chicks in.

[Drake]

Actually, I also tend not to patronize bars that allow fat chicks in.

I might go to bars if this ban was in place.

[sabotai]

Actually, I also tend not to patronize bars that allow fat chicks in.

New Jersey came up with the perfect solution to that. A man sued a bar several years ago because he said that "Lady's Night" at bars with a cover charge (Ladies get in free on Lady's Night) was sexist and discrimination against male customers.

He won, but the beauty of it is the bars are still going to let the super hot chicks inside for free, and charge the fatties full price to get in, discouraging fatties from going to bars.

[thesloppy]

Don't get me wrong, if you want to be fat in your own car or home, that's cool, just don't waddle around in public. It sets a bad precedent for the kids.

[st.cronin]

New Jersey came up with the perfect solution to that. A man sued a bar several years ago because he said that "Lady's Night" at bars with a cover charge (Ladies get in free on Lady's Night) was sexist and discrimination against male customers.

He won, but the beauty of it is the bars are still going to let the super hot chicks inside for free, and charge the fatties full price to get in, discouraging fatties from going to bars.

Yet another reason that NJ is the most underrated state in the Union.

[Schmidty]

While it's certainly hard to defend smoking as a lifestyle choice, I'd like to see how a thread with such open and direct scorn for obesity would fly.

Show some self respect, fucking fatties.

I don't have to inhale your fat. That's the difference.

[Schmidty]

Although, a giant, stinky vaginal butt-crevasse would be worse than cig smoke.

[thesloppy]

I don't have to inhale your fat. That's the difference.

Of course it's not a perfect analogy, but I think you could argue that obesity can certainly attack the senses just as well as smoking (as you noted), and I think you could take it even further to suggest that others' obesity poses as much of an indirect health threat as second-hand smoke, and it certainly causes just as many health problems for the person in question. Likewise, others' obesity is likely taking at least as much money out of your pockets than smokers ever will, whether it's for their health care or paying your share of the crop subsidies to keep everybody lathered up in corn syrup or whatever.

However, very few people would walk up to someone who is obese and tell them directly "I think fat people are disgusting." because we all understand that obese people are still people after all, and deserving of some small common courtesy regardless of their poor life decisions. Somewhere in there, smokers were deemed unworthy of that respect, while the rest of the world is pretty much free to wallow in the poor decisions we all make every day.

[terpkristin]

Never done it, it's always completely grossed me out. Part of it has probably been the athlete in me, but I've never really hung out with people who smoke, either, so it's not like I ever got the urge young to try and then I just got grossed out as I got older.

I prefer restaurants that don't allow any smoking, but living in VA, I've gotten used to the fact that the world doesn't just cater to me, no matter how much I think it should. ;)

Sometimes I wish I were a smoker. The smokers at work are almost a clique, and I do think a lot of good stuff gets discussed on smoke breaks, work work talks and gossip...

/tk

[Honolulu_Blue]

If you can legally do it on property you own, then the owner of the bar should be able to allow it on his property.

Uh, really?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Of course it's not a perfect analogy, but I think you could argue that obesity can certainly attack the senses just as well as smoking (as you noted), and I think you could take it even further to suggest that others' obesity poses as much of an indirect health threat as second-hand smoke, and it certainly causes just as many health problems for the person in question. Likewise, others' obesity is likely taking at least as much money out of your pockets than smokers ever will, whether it's for their health care or paying your share of the crop subsidies to keep everybody lathered up in corn syrup or whatever.

However, very few people would walk up to someone who is obese and tell them directly "I think fat people are disgusting." because we all understand that obese people are still people after all, and deserving of some small common courtesy regardless of their poor life decisions. Somewhere in there, smokers were deemed unworthy of that respect, while the rest of the world is pretty much free to wallow in the poor decisions we all make every day.

The fat/smoking thing doesn't work at all. I think the difference is that by smoking you're actually poisoning other peoples' air and, I think, that's why people my feel more justified going up to someone and complaining about them smoking.

The distinction is pretty clear, no?

That said, I have never witnessed any of this horrible persecution smokers seem to face. I've asked people if they would stop smoking in restaurants before, but I've always been very polite and the response has always been positive. That said, I will shoot people "the dirties" if I see them smoking around their kids. That's pretty pathetic.

[thesloppy]

The distinction is pretty clear, no?


Is it? Everybody sitting in their idling cars at Jack in the Box waiting for their next 1000 calorie happy meal are unnecessarily poisining in the air, aren't they? Simply driving anywhere to do anything (directly food related or not) with 2 300-pound people in the car is going to take more gas and therefore cause more pollution than if those people were half the size.

Regardless of the pollution aspects, a 2 ton piece of steel driving down the road at 50 mph is a thousand times the threat of second-hand smoke to you and your family, and someone who is obese is unlikely to walk or bike anywhere.

Call me a fool, but I would argue that the environmental footprint left by the obese poses far more of a threat than that of second hand smoke.

[st.cronin]

Smokers don't drive?

[Logan]

Is it? Everybody sitting in their idling cars at Jack in the Box waiting for their next 1000 calorie happy meal are unnecessarily poisining in the air, aren't they? Simply driving anywhere to do anything (directly food related or not) with 2 300-pound people in the car is going to take more gas and therefore cause more pollution than if those people were half the size.

Regardless of the pollution aspects, a 2 ton piece of steel driving down the road at 50 mph is a thousand times the threat of second-hand smoke to you and your family, and someone who is obese is unlikely to walk or bike anywhere.

Call me a fool, but I would argue that the environmental footprint left by the obese poses far more of a threat than that of second hand smoke.

Honestly, just quit.

[thesloppy]

Of course they do, but they're so fucking skinny from the nicotine that a lifetime of lowered fuel consumption cancels out the effect of their second-hand smoke.

Duh.

C'mon people, it's all ball-bearings these days.

[Schmidty]

Honestly, other than JIMGA (because he just doesn't give a fuck), the majority of the smokers in this thread seem desperate in their aggressive attempt to defend smoking.

That's not a judgement - Just an observation.

[CU Tiger]

I would be curious to see JimGA'a opinion on the cig butt littering comment above. being the noteed authoritarian he is, I wonder if he too falls into this group and if so his justification/reasoning for it.

[Drake]

I could have sworn that I specifically said that I don't defend smoking. It's an ugly habit. It's also one I happen to like.

Sometimes I wish I were a smoker. The smokers at work are almost a clique, and I do think a lot of good stuff gets discussed on smoke breaks, work work talks and gossip...

And yes, this is completely true everywhere I've ever worked. More gossip, more dirt, more "I shouldn't be telling you this, but...", more inside info on promotions, raises, investigations...you name it. All of the things your superiors won't say in their office, even with the door closed, they'll say over a cigarette in the alley.

Edit to add: I'd go so far as to say that most of my promotions historically have had a great deal more to do with synchronizing my smoke breaks with my bosses' than with my actual job performance. Not going to apologize for it. For those of us without perky tits and a great ass, we have to exploit whatever other advantages we can.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I would be curious to see JimGA'a opinion on the cig butt littering comment above. being the noteed authoritarian he is, I wonder if he too falls into this group and if so his justification/reasoning for it.

I was about to respond but realized that Schmidty really summed it up better (and a hell of a lot funnier) than I could have in a thousand words.

because he just doesn't give a fuck

[thesloppy]

Honestly, just quit.

What makes you think I smoke? Would you think it was rude of me to ask you to lose some weight?

Is it really foolish to suggest that the fatter someone is the more fuel they are going to consume, and the more pollution they're going to cause, over the course of their lives? Fat people eat food, right? More food than people who aren't fat, right? That extra food has to be grown, processed, shipped and refrigerated somehow, yes? All of these things cause unnecessary pollution and waste, yes? Where exactly is the folly in that argument?

And to be clear, I'm not defending people's right to smoke, I could give two shits if they outlawed smoking tomorrow, I'm questioning why it's cool to treat smokers as sub-humans and openly call them disgusting and call them on their decisions when everybody else on this planet is making poor decisions and getting a free pass.

[Logan]

What makes you think I smoke? Would you think it was rude of me to ask you to lose some weight?

Haha wow...please "quit" your awful argument. I could give two shits whether you smoke or not.

[Schmidty]

All things aside, I think this thread proves that smell is the most underrated sense of all.

[Drake]

It is if you smoke, Schmidty. Smell is the first one to go. ;)

[thesloppy]

Haha wow...please "quit" your awful argument.

Fair enough. I guess I will, if that's as compelling as the argument's going to get.

[Logan]

Fair enough. I guess I will, if that's as compelling as the argument's going to get.

Fine.

Yes, fat people eat food. Fat people may eat unhealthy food. I say may because they could have health conditions that make them fat such as an illness, they could have a slow metabolism, or just eat a standard diet but not be active at all so a minimal amount of calories get burnt, which makes them put on weight. Fat people might eat more food than thin people. I say may because if I eat a Whopper three meals a day I will surely be fat. You may eat a head of lettuce, a broiled chicken, steamed broccoli and an apple three times a day. You will therefore be eating more food than me, but I will be eating a much less healthy diet. By your words, you are now causing more pollution, wasting more resources, whatever you want to call it than me.

So again I'll ask, can you quit your awful argument?

[thesloppy]

Geesh man, I said I'm done. To be fair, you only addressed a fraction of my argument and needed a handful of ifs-and-buts to do so, but I'm not going to push it, I'm not trying to attack you. My apologies for breaking up the smoker-bash fest.

[Lathum]

If you can legally do it on property you own, then the owner of the bar should be able to allow it on his property.

I can legaly urinate in my home, should I be allowed to do it in public?

[st.cronin]

I can legaly urinate in my home, should I be allowed to do it in public?

I can legally walk around naked in my home. In fact, I often do!

[CU Tiger]

I can legaly urinate in my home, should I be allowed to do it in public?


While I have no desire to witness you urinate, I do feel that if sabotai chose to open a facilitty and his whole premise was a place to open and freely urinate that should be his right.


I dont think anyone is arguing you must be allowed to smoke wherever you please, if you feel that way, you are really ignoring half the argument.
The argument is that restaraunteurs shouldd be able to choose which clientel they wish to attract and if it is smokers they should be welcomed.

Anyone ever heard Auggie Smith and his takee on smoking and bed bath and beyond?

If not find it and listen, if you piss yourself I am not responsible. Though sabotai may bee if hee opened the pee anywhere store

[Lathum]

I dont think anyone is arguing you must be allowed to smoke wherever you please, if you feel that way, you are really ignoring half the argument.
The argument is that restaraunteurs shouldd be able to choose which clientel they wish to attract and if it is smokers they should be welcomed.



seriously?

no where in this thread do I see any indication it is slanted towards restaurants only.

[Logan]

While I have no desire to witness you urinate, I do feel that if sabotai chose to open a facilitty and his whole premise was a place to open and freely urinate that should be his right.

Hence why cigar bars are allowed to exist in smoke-free New Jersey :).

[Honolulu_Blue]

All things aside, I think this thread proves that smell is the most underrated sense of all.

And I have no sense of smell.... :(

[Subby]

NoMyths is without internet access at the moment but he wanted me to assure everyone..."just pole."

[Neon_Chaos]

*lights ciggy*

*deep drag*

Can't we all just get along?

[Schmidty]

I can legally walk around naked in my home. In fact, I often do!

For the first time in my life, I think I need a cigarette.

[JeeberD]

Several years ago I went through a phase for about a month where I would smoke when I was out drinking with my coworkers. I got a wicked buzz of the cigs, but the fact that the taste lingered over to the next day killed it for me.

Thank goodness.

[RomaGoth]

While it's certainly hard to defend smoking as a lifestyle choice, I'd like to see how a thread with such open and direct scorn for obesity would fly.

Show some self respect, fucking fatties.

The difference is that smoking affects the health of everyone around you, while being a fat ass does not (unless you are on an airline and sit next to one :( ).

[RomaGoth]

Is it? Everybody sitting in their idling cars at Jack in the Box waiting for their next 1000 calorie happy meal are unnecessarily poisining in the air, aren't they? Simply driving anywhere to do anything (directly food related or not) with 2 300-pound people in the car is going to take more gas and therefore cause more pollution than if those people were half the size.

Regardless of the pollution aspects, a 2 ton piece of steel driving down the road at 50 mph is a thousand times the threat of second-hand smoke to you and your family, and someone who is obese is unlikely to walk or bike anywhere.

Call me a fool, but I would argue that the environmental footprint left by the obese poses far more of a threat than that of second hand smoke.

It is a smoker bash because smoking is a disgusting habit. I should know, I smoked for 10 years before quitting in 2004. It is vile and unhealthy. Before you ridicule us for bashing smokers, think about what a lung looks like after someone has smoked for a long period of time. Have you ever seen a black lung? There is no way in hell anybody can ever justify that smoking is not as bad as obesity or that it is not unhealthy. You may not be a smoker, but your arguments are not valid because we are bashing the ACT of smoking, not the PEOPLE that are doing the smoking. Let's not get all bent out of shape, as ultimately I believe we are all on the same side.

[Marc Vaughan]

Interesting. So the millions of deaths each year from lung cancer are, in fact, not related to smoking cigarettes? Considering my grandfather died from it, I would have to seriously question your reasoning behind that statement.

Ok lets put it this way - it isn't possible to isolate the cause of Lung Cancer when its found.

As such I'd expect that while cigarettes are a contributing factor the overall environment (especially fumes from cars and heavy industry) are involved to a fair extent.

As I mentioned if in England in 20 years time lung cancer has largely been erradicated I'll quite happily eat my hat - but I doubt that'll be the case.

Hmmm. Did you ever consider that maybe your immune system was considerably down because of your previous smoking habit? It takes quite a while for your lungs and body to recover from the tar that is inside you after smoking. Trust me, I smoked for 10 years before quitting in 2004. I have never felt better and have no desire to ever get near the stuff again.

That does make sense surely? - while smoking I never had any such problems but as soon as I give up I do.

That doesn't indicate to me that my immune system was 'considerably down' - it indicates that smoking was propping me up or that the removal of cigarettes has weakened my resistance for some reason.

A few of my friends who have also given up have had similar things happen which is why I mentioned it ...

(and personally I feel no better or worse for having given up, slightly fatter is all ;) )

[Kodos]

That doesn't indicate to me that my immune system was 'considerably down' - it indicates that smoking was propping me up or that the removal of cigarettes has weakened my resistance for some reason.

Wow.

"Nurse! This man's immune system is failing. Get him some cigarettes-STAT!"

[Marc Vaughan]

It is a smoker bash because smoking is a disgusting habit. I should know, I smoked for 10 years before quitting in 2004. It is vile and unhealthy. Before you ridicule us for bashing smokers, think about what a lung looks like after someone has smoked for a long period of time. Have you ever seen a black lung? There is no way in hell anybody can ever justify that smoking is not as bad as obesity or that it is not unhealthy. You may not be a smoker, but your arguments are not valid because we are bashing the ACT of smoking, not the PEOPLE that are doing the smoking. Let's not get all bent out of shape, as ultimately I believe we are all on the same side.

If you wonder where my cynicism comes from its the fact that groups promoting such things often exaggerate the danger involved in incidents, for instance "Chernobyl's 'nuclear nightmares'" where Green groups predicted 100,000+ deaths from it ... however the reality in the 20 years since hasn't been so extreme.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5173310.stm

Its this sort of over-estimate I'm expecting from smoking, yes its bad for you - no one is arguing it isn't ... but I don't think its the be all and end all cause of lung cancer.

It IS however a great distraction for people from the other potential causes of lung cancer which would be much harder for goverments to do something about (ie. Heavy industry, Cars etc.).

[Kodos]

"I'm afraid that the only thing that can save this man now is cigarettes."

[Marc Vaughan]

Wow.

"Nurse! This man's immune system is failing. Get him some cigarettes-STAT!"

LOL :D

I know what you mean, but I put it down to my body being used to smoking and the smoke fumes actively keeping away some of the more harmful bacteria (hey we know smoking is bad for you - why can it be bad for germs also? ;) ).

As I've mentioned elsewhere I don't think smoking is in anyway 'good' for you - but I found it interesting that myself and several others have found this effect upon giving up.

I was wondering more than anything if it was an accidental by-product of smoking (ie. killing some germs which might otherwise get you to) or a little mentioned form of addiction (ie. making your bodies immune system fail to encourage you to continue smoking).

(and yeah I probably haven't explained my thought processes in the best manner possible - in my defense I did completed 20 hour work shift getting a deadline completed yesterday so I'm still recovering)

[Marc Vaughan]

"I'm afraid that the only thing that can save this man now is cigarettes."

Oh and can someone ask the 'stop smoking' manufacturers to stop advertising on TV, whenever I see those adverts I crave cigarettes like mad ...

[Kodos]

"I thought they had Vitamin C in 'em and stuff."

[Neon_Chaos]

*drags deep*

Ciggies are bad for you. No argument about that.

*exhale*

It takes a lot to quit.

[Marc Vaughan]

Out of interest one of the reasons I believe in Air Pollution being a large factor is studies like this:

http://www.ehponline.org/members/1994/Suppl-4/hemminki-full.html
Cancer Risk of Air Pollution: Epidemiological EvidenceIn most of the studies, urban and rural differences in lung cancer rates were more .... in lung cancer up to 1.5 times that of the countryside residents. ...

[Lathum]

Let's not get all bent out of shape, as ultimately I believe we are all on the same side.

they're so cute when they are new.

[cartman]

My parents both smoked heavily when I was growing up. They both quit about 5 years ago after 30+ years of smoking. I never had the urge to take up cigarettes. I do light up a cigar two or three times a year, but that's about it.

[B & B]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Typical attitude from an asshole smoker.


While I may be an asshole, Im not a smoker. Next time take a moment to actaully read the post youre referrring to with ^, you smug little prick.

[Izulde]

Because of this thread, I got the mood for a cigarette and broke down and bought a pack today.

Nasty brand, though, so I'm giving them away to the first more regular smoker I see.

[Neon_Chaos]

*lights another cig*

*deep drag*

That's too bad, Izulde. It's hard to stay quit.

*exhale*

[lungs]

If I can't smoke and swear, I'm fucked.

[Lathum]

While I may be an asshole, Im not a smoker. Next time take a moment to actaully read the post youre referrring to with ^, you smug little prick.

The fact that you don't smoke is irrelavant.

Your post captured the true spirit of an asshole smoker AND showed what an asshole you are.

I may be smug but at least I don't think I have the right to infringe my nasty habit on other people.

[Lathum]

Great post.


Personally, I gave up cigs about 3 years ago. I never tried to quit, or quit because thats not how I believe its done. I just dont smoke anymore, that doesnt mean that it wont happen tomorrow or next week. If I want a cigarrette then I will buy a pack and smoke them. Its a simple choice like buying a dr. pepper or a candy bar.


This whole bull$hit mulit million dollar quit smoking gum/-patch/shot/lozenge/inhaler/pill crap is waaaaay outta hand.

I never ONCE tried to stop smoking. I enjoyed smoking, very, very, very much. I liked the feeling it gave me, I liked the nicotine, I liked the smell of the tobacco. I even liked the disconcerning looks from the nonsmokers who didnt want their clothes and hair to smell like tobacco. Fuck em. Go to another bar. Catch a second hand buzz or fukk off.

My personal smoking triumph came when I put down 4 packs of Marlboro reds down in 24 hours. I was a chimney incarnate. Puffing and puffing to no end. During the last pack I was on the clock and wasnt allowed more than a minute of 'non-smoking' time between cigarettes, or I wouldnt have finished that fourth pack. Been there, done that.


Never quit something until the time comes that you want to. You have to want it. People have stopped being accountable for their actions, and its bullshit.

But by all means....

Do what you want to, when you want to.


nice attitude, who's the smug one?

[RomaGoth]

they're so cute when they are new.

I am just trying to fit in and become part of the crowd before my true colors shine through.....:cool:

[JonInMiddleGA]

If I can't smoke and swear, I'm fucked.

Not to mention cranky as hell to be so screwed over and not have any nicotine to take the edge off ;)

[korme]

Agreed. The sad thing is, those are the people that will live until they are 90, and then say "see, I told you smoking wasn't bad for you!". In fact, it IS bad for you, just some people get lucky.

irony rules the world

[Honolulu_Blue]

Not to mention cranky as hell to be so screwed over and not have any nicotine to take the edge off ;)

Dude, if you're as cranky as you can be smoking 2-3 packs a day, I'd be terrified to see you if you didn't have any nicotine to take the edge off. You'd probably just explode, or, more likely, inplode with such fury that you'd create a black hole of rage that'd swallow the universe.

[Drake]

Dude, if you're as cranky as you can be smoking 2-3 packs a day, I'd be terrified to see you if you didn't have any nicotine to take the edge off. You'd probably just explode, or, more likely, inplode with such fury that you'd create a black hole of rage that'd swallow the universe.

Heh.

[Kodos]

Ironic that some of our angriest posters regularly employ the soothing effects of smoking.

[cartman]

Agreed. The sad thing is, those are the people that will live until they are 90, and then say "see, I told you smoking wasn't bad for you!". In fact, it IS bad for you, just some people get lucky.

There's the story of my great-grandfather, who smoked two packs of Camel unfiltereds everyday. He eventually died at the age of 94 in an accident at the lumberyard where he worked everyday.

[RomaGoth]

There's the story of my great-grandfather, who smoked two packs of Camel unfiltereds everyday. He eventually died at the age of 94 in an accident at the lumberyard where he worked everyday.

Yep. That is the way of things. My step-mother's mother smoked until she was in her late 80's, she eventually died of dimentia at the ripe old age of 93. On the other hand, my grandfather died on my 18th birthday at the age of 69....from cancer, and he hadn't smoked in 20 years prior to that. I would take my chances with not smoking any day over smoking and "hoping for the best". I wish I never started in the first place, but I am glad that I quit 3 years ago to be sure.

By the way, I understand that people of your great-grandfather's generation were hard workers, but why the hell was he in a lumberyard at 94? Seriously, just like I tell my 84 year old grandmother, take a friggin' break already!!!!:eek:

[Izulde]

Ahh, the joys of cloves. Sweet, sweet Djarum bliss, how I've missed you!

BTW, it's damn hard to find smokes in Wisconsin these last few days because those asshats in Madison are putting $1 a pack more sales tax starting January 1st, so people have been buying up like crazy to stock up while they're still cheaper...

....Of course, that doesn't stop some merchants adding a $1 a pack on NOW to rake in some quick profit.

[Schmidty]

Does anyone else read this thread's title with a french accent?

[MylesKnight]

Bump, due to the awesome Flintstone's commercial posted by BrassMonkey.

Only about 20% of FOFC'ers smoke according to the poll. We are a dying breed. ;)

[MikeVic]

Bump, due to the awesome Flintstone's commercial posted by BrassMonkey.

Only about 20% of FOFC'ers smoke according to the poll. We are a dying breed. ;)

Don't worry, you'll all die soon enough.

[MylesKnight]

I realize cigarettes aren't a very healthy choice, but personally I enjoy the heck out of them, especially with a drink. Alcohol and Cigarettes = A match made in heaven.

FTR, I had a Grandmother that passed a few years back in her 90's. In her later years she was still puffing away, a couple of packs a day, and in her words had been doing so for the past 70 years. Her passing was due to natural causes.

[Karlifornia]

I realize cigarettes aren't a very healthy choice, but personally I enjoy the heck out of them, especially with a drink. Alcohol and Cigarettes = A match made in heaven.



Oh, you said it.

[Neon_Chaos]

Oh, you said it.

*lights up*

Man, I wish I had a beer.

[MylesKnight]

I just went through this thread, a lot of interesting opinions.

Concerning the laws that most cities/states seems to have nowadays, I believe if you're going to have some sort of restriction/law, the state of Florida sets a good example.

There is a smoking ban for the inside portion of any restaurant or restaurant/bar, which I have no problem with. This is the part that works for me though...

Smoking is allowed in the following;

Stand-alone bars that meet nine criteria, notably:

a) No more than 10-percent gross revenues are derived from food consumed on the premises

b) Not located within, and not sharing any common entryway or common indoor area with, any other enclosed workplace


My thoughts are that if you're heading out to a bar to strictly hang out and throw down a few it should be allowed. There aren't going to be any kids there, and it's a f'ing bar for crying out loud. You don't like it, then go to any of the wide variety of restaurant/bars that don't allow it to get your fix.

Of course my ultimate opinion on this is to live and let live, but that's a whole other story.

[Apathetic Lurker]

I wish I could smoke....sigh.. Stopped on September 3rd, one day before open heart surgery and its still friggin hard not to light up. Gained 30 pounds from stress...

[Passacaglia]

Cigarette?



Prepare to be smoked.

[lungs]

Hmmm, I've started to limit my smoking to certain activities.

When I bowl in my league, I smoke half a pack. The rest of that pack I limit myself to one a day, usually when I put wood in the fire at night.

When I drink, I'll go through a whole pack.

Basic Lights, by the way. What brands are popular around here?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I am still eagerly awaiting for Michigan to adopt an indoor smoking ban.

Michigan is a very backwards state in many ways, so often far behind the times.

[JediKooter]

Michigan is a very backwards state in many ways, so often far behind the times.

I'll say. Patriots 16-0 & Lions 0-16. Proof right there. ;)

[MylesKnight]

Cigarette(s)

http://funnyhub.com/content_images/5411_2706_serious-smoking-habit.jpg

[korme]

Parliament Lights, even though I've cut way back from a few years prior... meaning maybe 0 while just hanging out and 7-10 while drinking.

[MikeVic]

I can safely say we don't see eye-to-eye on this Marc Vaughan. I agree that people are coddled too much in general these days, but smoking is something I will never stand for.

[Suburban Rhythm]

This is an older article, but I think of it everytime the debate comes up.

Great analogy.

Gas Crisis - Smokers are running on fumes - Views - Vox Pop - Pittsburgh City Paper - Pittsburgh (http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A29019)