And the Oscar Nominees are...

[Bearcat729]

Not that it really matters unless the writers strike is settled

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20080122/120102108000.html

List of 80th Annual Oscar Nominees
Tuesday January 22 8:58 AM ET


Complete list of 80th annual Academy Award nominations announced Tuesday:

1. Best Picture:
"Atonement,"
"Juno,"
"Michael Clayton,"
"No Country for Old Men,"
"There Will Be Blood."

2. Actor:
George Clooney, "Michael Clayton";
Daniel Day-Lewis, "There Will Be Blood";
Johnny Depp, "Sweeney Todd the Demon Barber of Fleet Street";
Tommy Lee Jones, "In the Valley of Elah";
Viggo Mortensen, "Eastern Promises."

3. Actress:
Cate Blanchett, "Elizabeth: The Golden Age"
Julie Christie, "Away From Her"
Marion Cotillard, "La Vie en Rose"
Laura Linney, "The Savages"
Ellen Page, "Juno."

4. Supporting Actor:
Casey Affleck, "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford";
Javier Bardem, "No Country for Old Men";
Hal Holbrook, "Into the Wild";
Philip Seymour Hoffman, "Charlie Wilson's War";
Tom Wilkinson, "Michael Clayton."

5. Supporting Actress:
Cate Blanchett, "I'm Not There";
Ruby Dee, "American Gangster";
Saoirse Ronan, "Atonement";
Amy Ryan, "Gone Baby Gone";
Tilda Swinton, "Michael Clayton."

6. Director:
Julian Schnabel, "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly";
Jason Reitman, "Juno";
Tony Gilroy, "Michael Clayton";
Joel Coen and Ethan Coen, "No Country for Old Men";
Paul Thomas Anderson, "There Will Be Blood."

7. Foreign Film: "Beaufort," Israel;
"The Counterfeiters," Austria;
"Katyn," Poland;
"Mongol," Kazakhstan;
"12," Russia.

8. Adapted Screenplay:
Christopher Hampton, "Atonement";
Sarah Polley, "Away from Her";
Ronald Harwood, "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly";
Joel Coen & Ethan Coen, "No Country for Old Men";
Paul Thomas Anderson, "There Will Be Blood."

9. Original Screenplay:
Diablo Cody, "Juno";
Nancy Oliver, "Lars and the Real Girl";
Tony Gilroy, "Michael Clayton"
Brad Bird, Jan Pinkava and Jim Capobianco, "Ratatouille";
Tamara Jenkins, "The Savages."

10. Animated Feature Film:
"Persepolis";
"Ratatouille";
"Surf's Up."

11. Art Direction:
"American Gangster,"
"Atonement,"
"The Golden Compass,"
"Sweeney Todd the Demon Barber of Fleet Street,"
"There Will Be Blood."

12. Cinematography:
"The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford,"
"Atonement,"
"The Diving Bell and the Butterfly,"
"No Country for Old Men,"
"There Will Be Blood."

13. Sound Mixing:
"The Bourne Ultimatum,"
"No Country for Old Men,"
"Ratatouille,"
"3:10 to Yuma,"
"Transformers."

14. Sound Editing:
"The Bourne Ultimatum,"
"No Country for Old Men,"
"Ratatouille,"
"There Will Be Blood,"
"Transformers."

15. Original Score:
"Atonement," Dario Marianelli;
"The Kite Runner," Alberto Iglesias;
"Michael Clayton," James Newton Howard;
"Ratatouille," Michael Giacchino;
"3:10 to Yuma," Marco Beltrami.

16. Original Song:
"Falling Slowly" from "Once," Glen Hansard and Marketa Irglova;
"Happy Working Song" from "Enchanted," Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz;
"Raise It Up" from "August Rush," Nominees to be determined;
"So Close" from "Enchanted," Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz;
"That's How You Know" from "Enchanted," Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz.

17. Costume:
"Across the Universe,"
"Atonement,"
"Elizabeth: The Golden Age,"
"La Vie en Rose," "Sweeney Todd the Demon Barber of Fleet Street."

18. Documentary Feature:
"No End in Sight,"
"Operation Homecoming: Writing the Wartime Experience,"
"Sicko,"
"Taxi to the Dark Side,"
"War/Dance."

19. Documentary (short subject):
"Freeheld,"
"La Corona (The Crown),"
"Salim Baba,"
"Sari's Mother."

20. Film Editing:
"The Bourne Ultimatum,"
"The Diving Bell and the Butterfly,"
"Into the Wild,"
"No Country for Old Men,"
"There Will Be Blood."

21. Makeup:
"La Vie en Rose,"
"Norbit,"
"Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End."

22. Animated Short Film:
"I Met the Walrus," "Madame Tutli-Putli,"
"Meme Les Pigeons Vont au Paradis (Even Pigeons Go to Heaven),"
"My Love (Moya Lyubov),"
"Peter & the Wolf."

23. Live Action Short Film:
"At Night,"
"Il Supplente (The Substitute),"
"Le Mozart des Pickpockets (The Mozart of Pickpockets),"
"Tanghi Argentini,"
"The Tonto Woman."

24. Visual Effects:
"The Golden Compass,"
"Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End,"
"Transformers."

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Academy Award winners previously announced this year:

HONORARY AWARD (Oscar statuette): Robert Boyle

[stevew]

Michael Clayton? Did Clooney call in all his favors at once or something? I guess I should actually see it now, cause it might be a lot better than it looked.

[stevew]

dola, I see MC was really favorably reviewed. I may have missed that, as I was having connection problems the time of year when it came out. And hopefully this means "There Will Be Blood" actually goes wide enough that a small town guy like me can go see it without having to drive 6 hours.

[Karlifornia]

I haven't seen any of the best picture nominees. I want to see three of them...Juno, No Country For Old Men, and There Will Be Blood...But at 10 dollars apiece, I think I'd rather just download them off of bit torrent (just kidding...kind of)

[ntndeacon]

Michael Clayton was pretty good. And Tom WIlkinson's nom is especially gratifying to see. A lot of folks were keen on TIlda Swinton, but I was not as convinced. Loved seeing Casey Affleck up there as Jesse JAmes is one of the best things I have seen all year and he was fantastic in it.

[timmynausea]

I'm disappointed that The King of Kong wasn't nominated for Documentary Feature.

[Karlifornia]

I'm disappointed that The King of Kong wasn't nominated for Documentary Feature.

Film nerds think they rank higher than video game nerds in the nerd caste system.

[Subby]

Not to be a wet blanket, but who gives a shit? These aren't *your* nominees. These are the nominees of a small, select group of people that may or may not have even seen the films in question.

The writer's strike is the greatest thing to ever happen to awards shows.

[rkmsuf]

Not to be a wet blanket, but who gives a shit? These aren't *your* nominees. These are the nominees of a small, select group of people that may or may not have even seen the films in question.

The writer's strike is the greatest thing to ever happen to awards shows.

oh man. this is so spot on.

[Karlifornia]

Not to be a wet blanket, but who gives a shit? These aren't *your* nominees. These are the nominees of a small, select group of people that may or may not have even seen the films in question.

The writer's strike is the greatest thing to ever happen to awards shows.

I definitely give a shit.

I need my good taste validated by people I've never met before. It's one thing to tell all my friends about this transcendent little picture I saw over the weekend, but it's quite another when the Academy goes ahead and gives it their golden stamp of approval.

[rkmsuf]

For best picture it should be whatever movie grosses the most money wins.

[Karlifornia]

For best picture it should be whatever movie grosses the most money wins.

Jerry Bruckheimer, 12-time oscar winner

[rkmsuf]

Jerry Bruckheimer, 12-time oscar winner

the people seem to love it so well deserved

this oscar bullshit is like figure skating in the olympics. that shifty russian judge is always on the take.

[Logan]

Congrats to Amy Ryan...I haven't seen Gone Baby Gone but she's great in The Wire.

[ntndeacon]

There are tons of movies that make a lot of money but are just not good movies. look at Spidey 3 for example. here is a movie that a lot of folks were looking forward too, and that movie disappointed. The Oscars are about quality of filmmaking. I might disagree about individual films, but for the most part they reward pretty good works.

[rkmsuf]

that's like the quote "the better team lost"

wade phillips - film critic

[ntndeacon]

maybe if it was a movie vs movie competition. Movies are more than the money they bring in. There is something breathtaking about a great movie or a great performance. Seeing those you have to sit up and take notice of those. I am not saying that blockbusters can't be those films but using the money as a guide to the best films of the year is just so limiting.

[Lathum]

Why is using the most money grossed limiting?

Who is a better judge of what is a good movie? The millions of people who shell out money to see it or some stuffy dudes locked in a room?

Obviously the movies that gross huge numbers are doing something correct, otherwise word of mouth would kill them ( see waterworld)

[rkmsuf]

Why is using the most money grossed limiting?

Who is a better judge of what is a good movie? The millions of people who shell out money to see it or some stuffy dudes locked in a room?

Obviously the movies that gross huge numbers are doing something correct, otherwise word of mouth would kill them ( see waterworld)

Exactly! Isn't the whole point to uh, make money? You don't and you aren't making many more "quality films".

It's like the nice coach in the NFL. Heck it looks good on paper and well this organization is just swell. Yeah we only win 2 or 3 games a year but shucks, these are great guys.

[MikeVic]

It depends when a movie is released too. And what its competition is at the time it's out.

[timmynausea]

You know, if they judged music solely by sales, then Vanilla Ice would still have one of the best rap albums of all time. That'd be kind of nice. Sometimes I feel like me and jbmagic are the only ones still listening to "To the Extreme."

[rkmsuf]

It depends when a movie is released too. And what its competition is at the time it's out.

So take that into account. Nobody is forcing anyone to release a movie at a certain time.

It's STRATEGY!!!!!!!!

[Lathum]

Exactly! Isn't the whole point to uh, make money? You don't and you aren't making many more "quality films".



IMO the point is to entertain.

The more entertaining a movie it is the more money it makes.

Of the few "oscar worthy" movies I have watched over the years have bored me to tears for the most part.

Thats why I will be pulling for Juno.

[ISiddiqui]

maybe if it was a movie vs movie competition. Movies are more than the money they bring in. There is something breathtaking about a great movie or a great performance. Seeing those you have to sit up and take notice of those. I am not saying that blockbusters can't be those films but using the money as a guide to the best films of the year is just so limiting.

Indeed. No one considers Thomas Kincade to be a great artist because he sells so many paintings. Art isn't defined by money.

[Lathum]

dola- J. K Skinner was robber of a supporting actor nomination. He was incredabile as Junos dad.

[ntndeacon]

the top grossing movies from 2007 are in order
Spiderman 3: $336.5 Million
Shrek the Third: $ 322.7 Million
Transformers: $319.2 Million
Pirates of the Caribean 3: $309.2 Million
Harry Potter 5: $292 Million

Now I can only talk about 2 of these movies having only seen Spidey 3 and HP. I would have LOVED getting my money back for Spidey 3 as itwas the 2nd worst movie I saw all year. (Only Norbit beats it out.) Harry Potte was ok, but only ok.

To answer your question about why money should not be a factor is is that quality is something that can be in ANY type of movie. Basically the arguement that money should be the sole factor in determining the oscars is saying that there should NEVER be an art house film or independent film nominated for an academy award. I will agree that some of the smaller films are pretentious piles of garbage, but there are some wonderful bits of cinema there.

[ntndeacon]

just to put it out there :
This would be my top 5 movies of the year:
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
No COuntry for Old Men
Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Charlie Wilson's War
Zodiac

[rkmsuf]

the top grossing movies from 2007 are in order
Spiderman 3: $336.5 Million
Shrek the Third: $ 322.7 Million
Transformers: $319.2 Million
Pirates of the Caribean 3: $309.2 Million
Harry Potter 5: $292 Million

Now I can only talk about 2 of these movies having only seen Spidey 3 and HP. I would have LOVED getting my money back for Spidey 3 as itwas the 2nd worst movie I saw all year. (Only Norbit beats it out.) Harry Potte was ok, but only ok.

To answer your question about why money should not be a factor is is that quality is something that can be in ANY type of movie. Basically the arguement that money should be the sole factor in determining the oscars is saying that there should NEVER be an art house film or independent film nominated for an academy award. I will agree that some of the smaller films are pretentious piles of garbage, but there are some wonderful bits of cinema there.


lol, you paid to go see Norbit and were presumably surprised at how bad it was.

start giving these movies awards and maybe people start paying attention

[ntndeacon]

no I did not pay to see Norbit. saw it on a bus on the way to a conference.

[ISiddiqui]

It's hard to know if a movie is good or bad prior to seeing it. You can get a reasonable approximation if a movie is going to be good or bad by reading the critics, but sometimes you don't have time. And seeing it is the only way to know how much you enjoy the film or don't enjoy the film.

Plenty of movies with big ticket sales also have people who dislike the movie when they walk out of the theater (ie, Spidey 3 being a prime example).

I guess we can exit poll them or something if you want. But there is already a way to know how well movies did in making money. So what is the point in giving an award for sales?

[ntndeacon]

and no Iwasnt surprised at how bad it was.

[rkmsuf]

no I did not pay to see Norbit. saw it on a bus on the way to a conference.

I'm just messing with you but I think there is something to acknowledging what the public likes as good filmmaking.

Not sure where that fits into Oscar but people seem to quickly scoff at the mainstream films where maybe those movies are in fact good filmmaking in the context of entertainment.

[ISiddiqui]

And if the Academy Awards only awarded prizes for entertaining people, you may have a point ;).

[MikeVic]

I'm just messing with you but I think there is something to acknowledging what the public likes as good filmmaking.

Not sure where that fits into Oscar but people seem to quickly scoff at the mainstream films where maybe those movies are in fact good filmmaking in the context of entertainment.

This is so deep.

[ntndeacon]

Heck there is an awards show or two that does that. The Golden Globes and the Peoples Choice. And note Iwasn't saying that mainstream movies can't be good or arent good, just the top grossing ones :D

[rkmsuf]

This is so deep.

ty

I hope Iron Man wins next year. I mean it's a man made of iron presumably unaffected by magnets.

[ntndeacon]

I'm just messing with you but I think there is something to acknowledging what the public likes as good filmmaking.

Not sure where that fits into Oscar but people seem to quickly scoff at the mainstream films where maybe those movies are in fact good filmmaking in the context of entertainment.

I still maintain that Spidey 3 is not good filmmaking even in that context. ugh how awful. but there are good enterrtaining films that are mainstream. Sweeney Todd and ZOdiac and Charlie Wilson's War were in multiple theatres in Bham so they are mainstream as far as I am concerned. cant remember about NO Country. But if you havent seen it it is WELL worth your while

[larrymcg421]

This argument is stupid. There are the People's Choice Awards to define something by popularity. The Oscars want to do it a different way. I don't understand why people want the Oscars to change when they can just watch the People's Choice Awards.

[Scoobz0202]

If Atonement wins like in the Golden Globes I am forever done watching these shows. I should have a long time ago, anyways.

[ntndeacon]

A friend of mine loved it. I haven't seen it so I have no clue how good it is. My best guess is that it will be between No Country and There Will be Blood.

[ntndeacon]

ty

I hope Iron Man wins next year. I mean it's a man made of iron presumably unaffected by magnets.

No it has got to be the Dark Knight. cuz Batman RULEZ!

[rkmsuf]

No it has got to be the Dark Knight. cuz Batman RULEZ!

Ah, but Iron Man will gross way less and thus be critically acclaimed. Feel the emotion as Iron Man rusts and is forced to be become Plastic Man. That's acting my friend.

[DanGarion]

For best picture it should be whatever movie grosses the most money wins.

So I guess you think the Yankees should always be handed the World Series too?

[AENeuman]

Why is using the most money grossed limiting?

Who is a better judge of what is good food? The millions of people who shell out money at McDonalds or some stuffy dudes locked in a restaurant?

Obviously restaurants that gross huge numbers are doing something correct, otherwise it would kill them

hmmm...

[Lathum]

apples and oranges

[rkmsuf]

So I guess you think the Yankees should always be handed the World Series too?

should they gross the most wins in the playoffs, yes

[DanGarion]

should they gross the most wins in the playoffs, yes

No, you are talking about money. They make the most money so they must be the winners, regardless of how many games they win...

[ISiddiqui]

Exactly, the Yankees make most money, so they must be the most entertaining and that's what sports is about, entertainment.

[larrymcg421]

should they gross the most wins in the playoffs, yes

What do wins have to do with it? Isn't it all really about making money? Baseball is a business just like moviemaking, so under your theory, shouldn't the highest grossing team be named the champion?

[rkmsuf]

where are there votes for WS champion. show me these votes.

[Subby]

Making something that appeals to the most people doesn't make it great, it makes it the lowest common denomiator.

[Butter]

This is the stupidest argument ever.

And yes, that comment is contributing about as much to this thread as the "down with the Oscars" types are.

[MJ4H]

This is the stupidest argument ever.

And yes, that comment is contributing about as much to this thread as the "down with the Oscars" types are.

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[ntndeacon]

ok I listed my best pic nominees. Let's see some others Maybe we should have a FOFC awards!

[korme]

Props to Laura Linney getting some Academy recognition, though I haven't seen The Savages (skeptical to see it)

[ntndeacon]

I am sad that Angelina did not get a nod. I loved her in A Mighty Heart

[Atocep]

No, you are talking about money. They make the most money so they must be the winners, regardless of how many games they win...

The asshole in me would like to point out that the Yankees have lost money the last 3 years.

[korme]

Congrats to Amy Ryan...I haven't seen Gone Baby Gone but she's great in The Wire.

She's a transformation in it... Gosling got hosed, should be nominated for his role in Lars and the Real Girl

[korme]

just to put it out there :
This would be my top 5 movies of the year:
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
No COuntry for Old Men
Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Charlie Wilson's War
Zodiac

I don't think Zodiac came out in 2007... or was it just really early in the season?

[cthomer5000]

1. Zodiac was 2007.

2. The best movie of the year wasn't even nominated (it was Once).

[Izulde]

This is the first time that I can recall where I've seen none of the Best Picture nominees.

[Scoobz0202]

Usually that is what I say. But this time i have seen four. I have yet to see There Will Be Blood.

[DanGarion]

The asshole in me would like to point out that the Yankees have lost money the last 3 years.
They still take in the most.

Are their actual money #s public knowledge? I didn't know they are a public company.

[Atocep]

They still take in the most.

Are their actual money #s public knowledge? I didn't know they are a public company.

Sorry to threadjack. I was just being an ass.

Its been reported each of the last 3 years that they've lost between $20 and $40 million.

With that said, I think the People's Choice is overlooked because it isn't taken as seriously as the Oscar's. Get an Oscar on your resume and it gets mentioned for the rest of your life. Hell, getting nominated sticks with you the rest of your life.

Its becoming rather standard now to make big budget movie after big budget movie to get a following, then start making films that will get you Oscar attention. Then after you bag your Oscar you're free to make shit movies the rest of your life.

[Chief Rum]

Michael Clayton? Did Clooney call in all his favors at once or something? I guess I should actually see it now, cause it might be a lot better than it looked.

You musta missed my original thread. I said it the moment I walked through the door after seeing it that Clooney, short of some absolutely amazing performance between October and December, would walk away with the statue for that movie.

Unfortunately for Clooney, I think Daniel-Day Lewis may have come up with that absolutely amazing performance, from what I have heard.

[KWhit]

Making something that appeals to the most people doesn't make it great, it makes it the lowest common denomiator.


Hey, you're the one who started this shitty argument.

DON'T BACK DOWN NOW!!!!

[Subby]

Hey, you're the one who started this shitty argument. DON'T BACK DOWN NOW!!!!
We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the world's been turning. We didn't start the fire. No we didn't light it but we tried to fight it!

[JetsIn06]

She's a transformation in it... Gosling got hosed, should be nominated for his role in Lars and the Real Girl

He was GREAT in that movie.

[korme]

Just back from There Will Be Blood... just give DDL his trophy now.

[ntndeacon]

I want that movie to come out near me

[path12]

EDIT: Sorry, didn't read the thread before posting. Asked and answered.