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StarBuck
02-02-2008, 12:49 PM
Vick Dogs Start Long Road to Recovery

Former Fighting Dogs Move to Sanctuary for Physical, Psychological Healing

By SUSAN DONALDSON JAMES

Feb. 2, 2008 —

Lucas, a brown, doe-eyed pit bull, was one of Michael Vick's prize fighters, and he has the scars to prove it. First beaten, then rewarded with food, he learned to endure pain and to kill.
As a stud, Lucas would have been worth $20,000, but today, after years of violent training and fighting, he needs round-the-clock care  even when he is sleeping  to help heal the physical and psychological wounds.
The champ's name was changed, but so have his fortunes. Today he is getting therapy for post-traumatic stress at Best Friends animal sanctuary in Utah.
"He's all prestige," said Best Friends CEO Paul Berry. "But you can imagine what he has been through with all the scars over his arms and face."
Lucas is one of 48 dogs seized at the dogfighting training camp run by the star quarterback of the Atlanta Falcons. Vick is now serving a 23-month sentence in federal prison. He has been suspended from the National Football League, and his future with the Falcons is murky at best.
This week, the court in this high-profile case lifted a gag order and allowed those involved in the care of the dogs to talk publicly about their condition.
The National Geographic Channel announced it is following the dogs' re-socialization progress in its television series "Dogtown," which is based at Best Friends. For the next six months, film crews will watch four of the most aggressive dogs re-socialize.

From Killing Ground to Sanctuary

Best Friends, the largest no-kill animal sanctuary in the nation, cares for 1,500 dogs, cats, horses, goats and other animals. With an annual budget of about $30 million, most of it from private donations, it has rescued animals traumatized by Hurricane Katrina and those who have suffered in hoarding situations or puppy mills.
"Being the Mayo Clinic for dogs, they take the most difficult cases where dogs have no of hope of surviving," said "Dogtown" producer Chris Valentini. "They care so deeply about the animals."
"Dogtown" originally began documenting the work at Best Friends last year, and the three initial episodes were very popular, the producers said. The episodes chronicling the Vick dogs will air this summer, and producers hope it will be as successful as its initial episodes at the sanctuary.
"When you marry the science with the natural history and the emotional component, you have powerful television," said Valentini.
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Physical, Psychological Torture

The Vick dogs, which once fought for $30,000 purses, knew nothing but violence. They were run on treadmills to exhaustion, beaten if they didn't show enough aggression and subjected to psychologically confusing training methods.
After the Virginia training camp was raided this summer, the courts ordered the NFL star to pay $928,000 in restitution to cover the cost of moving and caring for the animals.
Rebecca J. Huss, professor of animal law at Indiana's Valparaiso University Law School, was appointed legal guardian of the 47 dogs.
"I lost a lot of sleep," she said.. "I knew it was going to be a challenging project."
Huss was given the responsibility of protecting the safety of the public and the welfare of the dogs as she selected their individual placements at treatment facilities.
"Unlike seizing a John Deere tractor, these animals need to be cared for," said Huss.
More than half went to Best Friends, 10 went to the rescue organization Bad Rap in California and the rest were sent to new homes in Virginia, Georgia and Maryland. Some of the dogs are already making improvements; one has even been put to work at a hospital.
"Everyone was asked not to speak until now," Huss said. "Having the world hear has been very exciting for me."
Twenty-two Vick dogs arrived by charter plane at Best Friends Jan. 2 and will stay at the sanctuary for "at least" six to eight months, according to the caregivers.

Fiercely Loyal Animals

The "pitty" and "bully" breed encompasses a wide variety of bulls and terriers that have been trained for their athletic prowess. They are not naturally vicious and are fiercely loyal to humans.
"There's a terrible misconception that pit bulls are lurking behind every corner waiting to attack human beings," said Best Friends spokesman John Polis. "They are very loving. But you take a compliant animal and teach it to do bad things, and guess what happens."
The dogs are so aggressive toward other animals that they must be isolated from the other 500 dogs at the facilities and live in single runs. For this reason, most will never find adoptive homes.
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The dogs need to be reprogrammed from brutal training regimens that are designed to break their spirit and logic.
"They don't trust, don't understand and don't know how to act," said Best Friends' Berry.
Slowly, animal handlers regain their trust by offering them food, not invading their space and having a familiar and constant human presence.
Georgia, a female bait dog who arrived with all her teeth crudely removed by fight trainers, had been constrained in "sloppy and cruel" rape racks for breeding. She was "pretty used up," according to Berry.
But after just a few weeks, Georgia is already cuddling up to her new trainers.
"They want to lay next to you and be close," he said. "They sense we are here to help."
Simple tasks help them toward recovery: taking them on walks, using a leash and basic obedience training. Some have had their first car ride.
"The basis of anything you do with animals is building a trusting relationship," said animal caregiver Jeff Popwich. "Then you can challenge them and expose them to different situations. It's like convincing a kid to go to the dentist."

Healing the Emotional Wounds

The hardest part of rehabilitation is the psychological work. "The emotional scars run pretty deep," said Popwich.
Best Friends veterinarian Franklin McMillan, author of "Mental Health and Well-Being in Animals," believes animals have complex feelings like humans.
"Hard-nosed scientists say animals don't have emotions," said McMillan, "but they act in identical ways to humans. You can tell they are struggling."
Fear is the dominant emotion. Some dogs show a slight hesitation, others run halfway to meet their human caregivers then retreat, others huddle alone, trembling.
"Unlike people, we can't ask them what happened," he said. "Basically, we're putting the pieces together to find the right therapies."
Meanwhile, Vick's champion Lucas is making slow, but steady progress.
"You reach over there and grab his face and he melts," said Berry. "He's scared, nervous and hopeful. & He's scarred all over, but he's still a big puppy and he has to have time to grow up."

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Lathum
02-02-2008, 12:59 PM
I am as big a dog lover as their is but I thik every one of those dogs should be put down.

BYU 14
02-02-2008, 01:02 PM
Heart wrenching stuff, Vick is such cocksucker!

MrBug708
02-02-2008, 01:07 PM
While it's great that they are trying to rehab the dogs, I cant imagine letting one of those dogs near a child

Lathum
02-02-2008, 01:26 PM
While it's great that they are trying to rehab the dogs, I cant imagine letting one of those dogs near a child

exactly.

Not just a child but any person or other animals

MikeVic
02-02-2008, 01:29 PM
I agree.

BYU 14
02-02-2008, 02:35 PM
I agree as well, they will pretty much need to be isolated for the rest of their days. The shelter they are at in Utah is really nice though (in terms of animal shelters) so at least they will be well cared for.

Izulde
02-02-2008, 02:42 PM
My sister was a vet tech for a few years there and yeah, it is a really nice facility. If anybody can rehab them, it's that shelter.

Izulde
02-02-2008, 02:43 PM
I am as big a dog lover as their is but I thik every one of those dogs should be put down.

So we should put down all the Iraq war vets who come back with severe emotional and physical trauma?

Lathum
02-02-2008, 02:45 PM
So we should put down all the Iraq war vets who come back with severe emotional and physical trauma?

You can't seriously be making that moronic comparason.

That's maybe the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Izulde
02-02-2008, 02:59 PM
You can't seriously be making that moronic comparason.

That's maybe the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

*shrugs* high emotional and physical trauma? Being forced to kill one's own kind under stressful conditions?

Yeah I'd say they apply in both instances.

Eaglesfan27
02-02-2008, 03:16 PM
*shrugs* high emotional and physical trauma? Being forced to kill one's own kind under stressful conditions?

Yeah I'd say they apply in both instances.

Come on. Animals are much more instinctual beasts and are much more influenced by operant conditioning than humans are.

Buccaneer
02-02-2008, 03:56 PM
Come on. Animals are much more instinctual beasts and are much more influenced by operant conditioning than humans are.

What are you? A psychiatrist or something? :)

MikeVic
02-02-2008, 04:31 PM
So we should put down all the Iraq war vets who come back with severe emotional and physical trauma?

What the hell. Humans and dogs aren't that close when it comes to psychological things like this.

Oilers9911
02-02-2008, 04:34 PM
If the shelter is willing to keep them, rehab them and foot the bill, away from other animals and people then I see no reason to put them down.

Lathum
02-02-2008, 05:02 PM
If the shelter is willing to keep them, rehab them and foot the bill, away from other animals and people then I see no reason to put them down.

one would think the point of rehab is to eventualy release them back into society

flere-imsaho
02-02-2008, 05:07 PM
one would think the point of rehab is to eventualy release them back into society

Unless I misunderstand this article, other articles on the subject, and animal rehabilitation in general, I believe the plan for Vick's dogs is to rehab them to the point that they can live with themselves for the rest of their natural lives. I think you underestimate exactly how fucked up these dogs are.

Everything I've read indicates that there is no serious plan to release them back into society. This is largely why this particular facility was chosen (experience, expertise, area available & budget available - not to mention the money taken from Vick).

So stop jumping to conclusions.

flere-imsaho
02-02-2008, 05:16 PM
OK, I take back my previous comments. Apparently several have been rehomed successfully already. More reading:

http://www.gainesvillesun.com/article/20080127/NEWS/801270313/1004/NEWS

http://www.aspca.org/aspcablog/2007/10/good-news-for-majority-of-seized-vick.html

As long as the evaluations and rehabilitations are done professionally, and the foster and/or adoptive families are chosen wisely, I don't see a huge problem with this practice.

I understand that some of you feel differently.

Atocep
02-02-2008, 05:16 PM
one would think the point of rehab is to eventualy release them back into society

Best Friends doesn't release every dog back into society and it isn't the goal with all of the dogs they get. They admit some dogs are never going to live with a family again. The goal is to give them a good life and keep them from being put down.

From the article:
The dogs are so aggressive toward other animals that they must be isolated from the other 500 dogs at the facilities and live in single runs. For this reason, most will never find adoptive homes.
<!-- page --> Best Friends is prepared to keep all of them and budgets $40,000 for the lifetime care of each dog.

Izulde
02-02-2008, 06:20 PM
Come on. Animals are much more instinctual beasts and are much more influenced by operant conditioning than humans are.

All right, all right... you've got me there.

I just found the idea of just sweepingly putting them all down overkill, if you'll pardon the slightly macabre pun.

JeffNights
02-02-2008, 10:12 PM
You can't seriously be making that moronic comparason.

That's maybe the dumbest thing I have ever heard.


I think you should think about what Izlude was trying to say before blasting him.... thier are many morons on this board, but trust me, Izlude is not one of them.

Lathum
02-02-2008, 10:24 PM
I think you should think about what Izlude was trying to say before blasting him.... thier are many morons on this board, but trust me, Izlude is not one of them.

whatever dude.

Just because someone makes a stupid comment doesn't mean they are a moron.

and his comment was idiotic and borderline insulting ( I know that wasn't his intention)

Eaglesfan27
02-02-2008, 10:38 PM
and his comment was idiotic and borderline insulting ( I know that wasn't his intention)

I know it wasn't his intention as well, but I agree. Comparing a mindless killer dog to veterans suffering with PTSD is insulting, IMHO. However, we all say stupid things to make a point at some time that we probably regret and wish we could take back. I know I have.

Also, I agree with Lathum's initial point (or at least the point as I interperted it) which is that I would be highly skeptical of these dogs ever being around humans or other animals again.

RendeR
02-03-2008, 08:17 AM
Lets just back off Izulde a bit here. The analogy, while stretching a bit is not entirely without merit.

I am a war veteran (first gulf war) I suffered through an extremely traumatic combat situation and required a good bit of rehabilitation afterward for PTSD. Having read what these animals were put through, I don't see a huge difference between the animals instictual reactions and some gut reactions *I* had immediately after my experiences.

Everyone ought to calm down with the name calling and insulting comments on all sides here. Izulde really wasn't making that huge a leap, no matter how it may seem. Humans CAN and DO have instinctual attack and kill reactions based on past experiences.

Eaglesfan27
02-03-2008, 11:10 AM
Lets just back off Izulde a bit here. The analogy, while stretching a bit is not entirely without merit.

I am a war veteran (first gulf war) I suffered through an extremely traumatic combat situation and required a good bit of rehabilitation afterward for PTSD. Having read what these animals were put through, I don't see a huge difference between the animals instictual reactions and some gut reactions *I* had immediately after my experiences.

Everyone ought to calm down with the name calling and insulting comments on all sides here. Izulde really wasn't making that huge a leap, no matter how it may seem. Humans CAN and DO have instinctual attack and kill reactions based on past experiences.

I wasn't saying that humans don't have instinctual reactions. However, humans have overriding reason and conscience unlike dogs. That is why the analogy really falls apart. Humans can be treated for their PTSD because of their ability to think and reason. Dogs are much harder to decondition.

Schmidty
02-03-2008, 11:25 AM
exactly.

Not just a child but any person or other animals

Did you not read the article?

They said that the majority of the dogs will never be adopted out, and that there is funding for them for the rest of their lives. After all they've been through, they damn sure deserve to live the rest of their lives in some semblance of comfort.

MikeVic
02-03-2008, 11:27 AM
Yeah I'm 100% ok with someone forking out $40,000 per dog to take care of them instead of giving that money to third world countries to help actual humans.

Lathum
02-03-2008, 11:28 AM
And that is fine, however what would happen if one of those dogs escapes and mauls a person or another dog?

How would you feel if your neighbor adopted one of those dogs and there was only a fence between where that dog played and where your family plays?

To me it isn't woth the risk. I love my dog more then anything but if he became a threat to other people I would have to make the tough descion to put him down.

Schmidty
02-03-2008, 11:33 AM
Yeah I'm 100% ok with someone forking out $40,000 per dog to take care of them instead of giving that money to third world countries to help actual humans.

It doesn't matter what you think. It was their money to give.

If a person like Tiger Woods (who owns his own fucking island) donates hundreds of thousands to something like the humane society (which helps animals as well), will you condemn him as well?

Schmidty
02-03-2008, 11:38 AM
And that is fine, however what would happen if one of those dogs escapes and mauls a person or another dog?

How would you feel if your neighbor adopted one of those dogs and there was only a fence between where that dog played and where your family plays?

To me it isn't woth the risk. I love my dog more then anything but if he became a threat to other people I would have to make the tough descion to put him down.

That's silly. If the dogs were kept in with chicken wire or something like that, I can understand some concern, but I highly doubt that a place which has millions in funding isn't going to have a highly secure building. I'd wager to say that the chances of one of them getting out is beyond remote.

It just seems like you are looking for a reason to put them down.

Lathum
02-03-2008, 11:43 AM
It just seems like you are looking for a reason to put them down.

I don't need a reason.

These animals are basicly machines that have been programed to do one thing, kill other living creatures. I think it is vile and disgusting how they have been mistreated. I have been around dogs all my life and I know you can't untrain an instinct, I guarentee you 100% there will be an incident with one of those dogs.

To me keeping them captive and isolated in a pen for the rest of their lives is equaly inhumane.

I agree that it's their money to do what they like but IMO those animals are traumatized and will never be normal again

Schmidty
02-03-2008, 11:48 AM
I guarentee you 100% there will be an incident with one of those dogs.

No offense, but for obvious reasons, that's a silly thing to say.

Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue.