WW LXVII - Heroes (GAME OVER! HEROES WIN!)

[Lathum]

Just throwing this out there that I think sylar would be a fan of a no lynch since he probably can't obtain the power of someone who was lynched.

[Passacaglia]

The problem, I think, is that generally the majority is in favor of a no lynch. I can't remember a game where no lynch was an option, and there was a lynch Day 1. So I don't think that we can target Sylar very easily out of this group.

Or are you saying that we should lynch someone, so that Sylar can't steal his power? That's an interesting idea. How confident are we about what Sylar does, anyway?

[Lathum]

The problem, I think, is that generally the majority is in favor of a no lynch. I can't remember a game where no lynch was an option, and there was a lynch Day 1. So I don't think that we can target Sylar very easily out of this group.

Or are you saying that we should lynch someone, so that Sylar can't steal his power? That's an interesting idea. How confident are we about what Sylar does, anyway?

I'm just thinking for down the road.

And I'm not saying at all we should lynch someone to keep their powers from Sylar.

I'm just getting ideas out there in case I buy it night one.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm a bit off with my clock over here on the other side of the world. :) What time is it over there? (EST)

[path12]

I might be misunderstanding something (or getting bogged down in semantics) but aren't all powers for use during the day?

*shrug* I don't know what to tell you, but mine is not for use during the day.



So you're saying that there are no circumstances under which you would reveal what your powers are? What if there's six people left and it's you against someone else, and the feeling is that you're both likely candidates for the lynch. Won't it strengthen your case if you can reveal what you power is and provide a detailed list of what you have done with that power, allowing the possibility of someone else corroborating what you say?

Obviously there are roles this won't apply to, if there's someone with a one-shot power for example. But in general I can't see why you would be opposed to keeping a track of what you have been doing. All I'm saying, I guess, is that I'm not going to be sympathetic to someone claiming a role as an alibi but unable to detail exactly what the did with their powers.

Oh, I'll be keeping track of what I'm doing, and if something good happens I'm happy to share it. But threat of lynch will not get me to reveal. I will say that I suspect that there is someone else out there with my same role though. Whether you are sympathetic to that or not is not my concern, helping the heroes win is.

[jeheinz72]

I'm a bit off with my clock over here on the other side of the world. :) What time is it over there? (EST)

11:25ish...coming from a person in California. ;)

[Neon_Chaos]

Alrighty. It's 12:25 AM March 5 here. So with DST, yeah, EST is -11 hours.

Gotta love insomnia.

[Narcizo]

If someone has the role of the invisible man, or DL or some role that allows them to "spy" on another person for the night, they could then possibly see what someone is doing.. But without knowing the theme.. they would see an action and not necessarily know if the action is one you would expect from a good role or a bad role.


Building on from this there could well be roles that allow you to see what power someone else has. (incidentally if you have this role you really should be wary of revealing the fact as, presuming Sylar can take other's powers, Sylar would love to have that power). Anybody got any theories as to which powers would be likely to indicate a villager and which are likely to indicate a wolf.

Obviously things like duke powers or night kills can be good or evil. I'm thinking things along the lines of a friend role/power (is it called "lover" in werewolf, where if you find your "mate" you can PM them) is a sure sign of a villager, as is a seer role that reveals if someone belongs to the Company. (although not a seer role that reveals powers) While a converter role is almost certainly a wolf power.

[jeheinz72]

Alrighty. It's 12:25 AM March 5 here. So with DST, yeah, EST is -11 hours.

Gotta love insomnia.

For this week, yeah. I'm pretty sure our Daylight savings is this weekend...

[Barkeep49]

I'm a bit off with my clock over here on the other side of the world. :) What time is it over there? (EST)
If you wanted you could change your preferences so the board time was EST.

[path12]

And path - speculating might give ideas to the wolves but they already have the ability to brainstorm, so it seems more likely that we'll hit on something that another villager hasn't thought of rather than something the wolves haven't thought of. Do you think in a standard game it's beneficial to the wolves or to the villagers if there is a list of the roles and powers in the game? I'd say the villagers.

Usually we don't have to speculate on which roles are in the game, it's spelled out up front. In a case like this where powers/roles are unknown, I believe it is in the wolves best interest to try and figure out who might be a danger to them. I think that sometimes during a "hypothetical" discussion of what might or might not be in the game, some folks could hint at something that the wolves might pick up on. That's the main danger I see, but I don't know if it follows that we should stifle the discussion. We just need to be careful about what we say -- it's my opinion that wolves tend to read early game more carefully than villagers.

[Neon_Chaos]

If you wanted you could change your preferences so the board time was EST.

Doh. Good idea?

[Neon_Chaos]

Good idea, I meant. :)

[path12]

BTW, to follow up on the day/night thing, this is a 24 hour clock, right? I guess that's where the confusion came from.

I don't see a point in a symbolic vote for someone when it's just me and Olie who haven't voted. We'll see what happens.

VOTE NO LYNCH

[jeheinz72]

Correct, day and night all happen at once (well, I'll post the lynch results, process night actions and post night results, starting the next day).

So anyone who is confused, Night actions are due in 76 minutes, the same time as the votes are due.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'll say this about my powers/identity unsolicited, although we seem to have moved past that: part of it has already been guessed correctly and follows what you'd expect from the show, the other part of it doesn't really follow all that logically (it's explained logically but it's not something where you'd go "oh that's obviously a power he'd have")

here's sort of what i thought about sylar: i would think he couldn't absorb people's powers for the whole game, but maybe he kills someone and takes their power until his next kill or something? this would give him a reason to "slow down" his kills if he lucks out and kills someone with a great power that he'll find useful...does that make sense to anyone else?

haven't seen this idea thought of at all, but it was the one that came right to mind for me...

[Neon_Chaos]

i'll say this about my powers/identity unsolicited, although we seem to have moved past that: part of it has already been guessed correctly and follows what you'd expect from the show, the other part of it doesn't really follow all that logically (it's explained logically but it's not something where you'd go "oh that's obviously a power he'd have")

here's sort of what i thought about sylar: i would think he couldn't absorb people's powers for the whole game, but maybe he kills someone and takes their power until his next kill or something? this would give him a reason to "slow down" his kills if he lucks out and kills someone with a great power that he'll find useful...does that make sense to anyone else?

haven't seen this idea thought of at all, but it was the one that came right to mind for me...

I've been thinking about the same thing regarding Sylar's abilities. Perhaps it's a boon / bane thing? If he does have night kill / steal ability powers (which I think is very likely), then his killing could be contained by something like that.

Of course, I wouldn't put it past jeheinz to have Sylar be able to absorb multiple powers as well. But yeah, I do get your drift, DT.

For sure, the end of the day is at least going to give us something to work with in the next vote.

[Passacaglia]

I was thinking that maybe he gets to use a skill he steals for one night? So it's not like if he gets an awesome one, he can keep using it. I dunno.

[oliegirl]

I don't have a reason to vote for anyone, so I'm voting no lynch tonight...but stress that I think we need to lynch someone tomorrow - we'll have a ton of information from scans and whatnot so we'll hopefully be in a good position to get some discussion going this afternoon and evening.


VOTE NO LYNCH

[Poli]

Pretty darn quiet near the deadline today. I'm anxious to hear the results of "night" actions, considering I don't have one.

[jeheinz72]

Deadline, results coming shortly for the day portion

[jeheinz72]

As Heroes, Company Men and Sylar alike traverse the United States, one thing is clear: Everyone is waiting for the others to make the first move. In this giant supernatural game of chess, no one blinks on our first day, as everyone survives and no one has been lynched.

Votes as they were cast:

No Lynch (14): Alan T (167), mauboy (169), Cronin (172), NTNDeacon (174), Schmidty (176), DaddyTorgo (182), Ardent Enthusiast (186), Jackal (197), NeonChaos (202), RendeR (203), Chief Rum (208), Barkeep49 (241), Path12 (264), oliegirl (269)
The Jackal (5): hoopsguy (198), nfg22 (199), Mr. Wednesday (205), Narcizo (209), Lathum (239)
RendeR (2): claphamsa (90), Greyroofoo (94)
Alan T (1): Passacaglia (146)
Mauboy1 (1): SnDvls (200)

Night actions will now be processed, results up shortly.

[Neon_Chaos]

What the hell.

[Passacaglia]

What the hell.

huh?

[Neon_Chaos]

Oh. I misread jeheinz' post. :) I stopped at the first paragraph before posting.

I thought night actions were processed already and noone died, bringing us back to square 0.

:)

[jeheinz72]

Night one results (that help Neon?) :D

You awaken after a long night of restless sleep. You turn on the TV to CNN. One of the lead stories centers around the surprising death of an otherwise healthy man. It catches your ear and you glance up to find you recognize the man in the picture. He was NTN Deacon, The Haitian, a Hero.


The Haitian

You are one of the Heroes
Your goal is to both eliminate all of the Company members and to eliminate Sylar as well
<O:p
Power: You have the ability of negating a persons abilities. Each night you can pick someone to have their abilities or night actions effectively cancelled. But be careful, both good guys and bad guys have powers. You do not have to use this power if you wish.


Day/Night Two has begun. Lynch Votes and Night Actions are due by 1 PM EST on Wednesday, March 5th.

[Alan T]

Jeheinz, no comments on how he was killed or details of the death? ie: his head slit open, or just dead through some other means?

[st.cronin]

ntndeacon seems like a very odd choice to me. Did anybody see anything in his posts?

[jeheinz72]

Jeheinz, no comments on how he was killed or details of the death? ie: his head slit open, or just dead through some other means?

I did mean to add that.

For this one, bullet to the brain.

[ntndeacon]

Oh foul Company and and Foul Syler! I would have stopped your powers as I attempted this very night. Go Heroes!

[Poli]

Well, that's a company kill then. At least Sylar wasn't active.

[st.cronin]

I can't believe its two games in a row Lathum has voted no lynch on day 1.

[SnDvls]

Pretty darn quiet near the deadline today. I'm anxious to hear the results of "night" actions, considering I don't have one.

this concern's me a bit as the rules hint at even the most boring role has something to do each night.

[Neon_Chaos]

No Sylar kill? Was Sylar blocked, pehaps?

I wouldn't be surprised to see if anyone had the power to block his night kill. Perhaps someone with the same skill as ntndeacon (people were discussing duality of roles and such earlier)?

[Poli]

this concern's me a bit as the rules hint at even the most boring role has something to do each night.
It can concern you all you want. It doesn't concern me.

[Alan T]

I can't believe its two games in a row Lathum has voted no lynch on day 1.

Lathum didn't vote no lynch I don't think. He changed his vote.

[Poli]

Well, technically, it's about me so it concerns me...but I have a feeling that there are other heroes like me out there. My role is a passive one of sorts.

[Passacaglia]

ntndeacon seems like a very odd choice to me. Did anybody see anything in his posts?

I thought so, as well. I just looked through his posts, and didn't see anything there.

[st.cronin]

You're right, I see he voted for The Jackal. The Jackal, Render, Alan T, and mauboy collected votes yesterday. Does anybody care to make a case for any of them?

[Neon_Chaos]

I have nothing. The No Lynch vote was so far ahead that nobody was in any danger of being lynched.

[Lathum]

I switched basicly for the sake of seeing what would happen. Like I said, I wasn't concerened with The Jackly beeing lynched.

I agree NTN was an odd choice, but to be honest I think the silver lining is that his power could have gone either way. IMO not a huge loss when you consider the potential of other powers that could be out there.

[Poli]

I'm out for the afternoon it appears. I'll have some time on the computer later on tonight most likely.

[Passacaglia]

You're right, I see he voted for The Jackal. The Jackal, Render, Alan T, and mauboy collected votes yesterday. Does anybody care to make a case for any of them?

Are you still talking about ntn here? I didn't see him vote for The Jackal. I only saw him vote for me, then switch to No Lynch.

[st.cronin]

Are you still talking about ntn here? I didn't see him vote for The Jackal. I only saw him vote for me, then switch to No Lynch.

Uh, no. I was just wondering if anybody who voted for somebody on day 1 wanted to press the issue on day 2.

[Lathum]

Here is the rub for today.

We really aren't going to have to much info to go on. Anyone who got valuable night info is probably going to sit on it for the time being. If not they risk getting killed.

Individuale people are going to be able to make more educated assumptions based on if their individule ability helped them, but it will be diffucult to get others to follow along without outing themselves.

[Passacaglia]

Uh, no. I was just wondering if anybody who voted for somebody on day 1 wanted to press the issue on day 2.

Then who were you talking about when you said "he" voted for The Jackal?

[Alan T]

Then who were you talking about when you said "he" voted for The Jackal?

I would assume me, since I had responded to Cronin's earlier comment about Lathum voting no lynch, saying that he didn't vote no lynch.. to which Cronin I assume replied that.

[st.cronin]

Here is the rub for today.

We really aren't going to have to much info to go on. Anyone who got valuable night info is probably going to sit on it for the time being. If not they risk getting killed.

Individuale people are going to be able to make more educated assumptions based on if their individule ability helped them, but it will be diffucult to get others to follow along without outing themselves.

Exactly the reason you normally argue against no lynch day 1. One thing I've noticed, though, is that you normally argue against no lynch when you're a wolf, and argue for no lynch when you're a villager. Dunno if that means anything in this game, but it does make me inclined to trust you a bit more.

[Passacaglia]

Never mind, I figured it out.

[st.cronin]

Yeah, sorry, I was replying to Alan, the pronoun referent in question is Lathum.

[Passacaglia]

I would assume me, since I had responded to Cronin's earlier comment about Lathum voting no lynch, saying that he didn't vote no lynch.. to which Cronin I assume replied that.

Yep. I had made the same assumption as you, since I had responded to a comment cronin made earlier.

[Narcizo]

I think ntndeacon has died early in other games I've played as well. Altogether not a bad night though. Very interested in what happened with Sylar though. What do people make of the lack of a Sylar-related kill?
1) Sylar missed his orders
2) he was blocked
3) he only has a limited number of kills and wants to conserve them or he can only kill on certain days
4) he's playing games with us.

To be honest I don't think we're missing out on a huge amount of info that we might have gained by a standard day one villager vs villager vote off. Shame the no lynch was such a run away vote though.

[Lathum]

did anyone miss the vote?

[Alan T]

I think ntndeacon has died early in other games I've played as well. Altogether not a bad night though. Very interested in what happened with Sylar though. What do people make of the lack of a Sylar-related kill?
1) Sylar missed his orders
2) he was blocked
3) he only has a limited number of kills and wants to conserve them or he can only kill on certain days
4) he's playing games with us.

To be honest I don't think we're missing out on a huge amount of info that we might have gained by a standard day one villager vs villager vote off. Shame the no lynch was such a run away vote though.

One thought I had was that perhaps he is an every other day thing.. where he has to spend one day tracking down someone, or learning about someone.. or something.. then the next day he can attempt a kill.


did anyone miss the vote?

No one missed the vote, everyone voted.

[hoopsguy]

Thoughts on no Sylar kill:
1.) good! Hopefully that gives him fewer powers - I think we want to get rid of him early in the game
2.) potentially someone impacted him, although at least half of the people around have replied since results were posted
3.) reasonable chance he can only kill every other night or has a certain number of kills per game
4.) last thing I can think of is that he could scout people to learn their powers before choosing to kill them? In the show he had a list of names, but often didn't know their power when he went after them. Maybe Heinz put this into play a little differently for purposes of game balance


So, up to this point I haven't seen a bunch of information learned on Day 1 that validates the idea of No Lynch. Not really meant to be an "I told you so" but an observation that may influence my decisions on this type of call for future games.

[Passacaglia]

Could it be that Sylar just steals powers, but doesn't kill people?

[Passacaglia]

Or maybe the company tried to kill Sylar, and were basically denied a kill?

[Alan T]

Or maybe the company tried to kill Sylar, and were basically denied a kill?

Then who killed ntndeacon with the bullet? Or do you think Sylar kills with guns too?


My initial thought is Bullet = HRG

[Passacaglia]

Then who killed ntndeacon with the bullet? Or do you think Sylar kills with guns too?


My initial thought is Bullet = HRG

Is there something in the show that would make me think he can't kill with guns, or something?

[Passacaglia]

Also does HRG = Hana Gitelman?

[Lathum]

Could it be that Sylar just steals powers, but doesn't kill people?

I would consider that unlikely.

[st.cronin]

Who is HRG?

[Passacaglia]

I would consider that unlikely.

I agree -- the rules say he's concerned with killing, so that seems to be a less likely option.

[Lathum]

I agree -- the rules say he's concerned with killing, so that seems to be a less likely option.

not only that but it just doesn't align with the show at all.

I think it very very likely he hunts someone then kills them.

[Alan T]

Is there something in the show that would make me think he can't kill with guns, or something?

Well it could be different for game purposes, but in the show he killed all of his prey the same way. Long story short.. but Sylar was a clock maker who's power was being able to see how "things" worked. He was able to carry that on to being able to understand how heroes worked as well and "learn" their powers. In the show to do so, he had to cut open the hero's head to learn about them, but in the process of killing them.

That is why to me bullet = not sylar

Also does HRG = Hana Gitelman?

Who is HRG?

Sorry, in this game HRG = Noah Bennet..

As far as I know he has no powers or super powers in the show, but he is a former company member who became rogue so to speak and does his dirty work through either heros that assist him in his cause, or with a good ole fashioned gun.

Ironically enough in the show, HRG's sidekick was the Haitan

[Alan T]

Dola,

he is called HRG often because for a long time before you knew his name he was known as "Horned Rimmed Glasses guy" or something along those lines.

[jeheinz72]

Folks, a heads up.

Passacaglia has had to resign from the game due to his being done for Monday and Tuesday. He's been gracious enough to recruit his own alternate.

Thomkal will now be taking over his spot. Same everything, and any vote cast for or by Pass was essentially done by Thomkal.

Carry on.

[claphamsa]

vote thomkal

:)

welcome

[claphamsa]

training is done for the day! doesnt look like i missed much.

[st.cronin]

Welcome aboard, Thomkal. Congrats on making it to day 2, Pass!

[hoopsguy]

Welcome, Thomkal. So, what info was Passacaglia not sharing with the rest of us? Spill it! :)

[RendeR]

Welcome back Thomkal.

[Passacaglia]

My bad, guys. I'm going to a wedding this weekend in Boston, and will be there until Tuesday. Plus, who knows how long the flight will take..

[SnDvls]

My bad, guys. I'm going to a wedding this weekend in Boston, and will be there until Tuesday. Plus, who knows how long the flight will take..

ya I hear those week long flights suck ;)

[Barkeep49]

ya I hear those week long flights suck ;)
I so wanted to make that punchline.

[SnDvls]

I so wanted to make that punchline.

I can misremember it if you want

[Thomkal]

Yes its me Super-Alternate Man! I swear I should never read these threads because someone always sees me reading them and gets me sucked back into Werewolf. :)

Seriously though I'm happy to step in for Pass. Just give me some time to catch up on things as I was only a casual reader till now. And hey this means I survived past day one too which is somewhat of a rarity for me in these games. :)

Just some info on me and what little I've read so far. If it contradicts from something Pass said, its because of different people playing nothing more. I am a hero, I'm a fan of the TV show so I may be able to help out with info about various characters/events. I would have voted no lynch on day 1 simply because I hate it when I am the day 1 "outee" especially in a game who's theme I looked forward to exploring.

Oh and Clap, thanks for that wonderful welcome. :P

[st.cronin]

Seems like we're stuck with nowhere to go, so:

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Sticking with my original day 1 vote, no reason to think it was a bad vote.

[ntndeacon]

vote Thomkal :D

welcome to the game.

woooooooooo
rattles chains

[Alan T]

I'm going to place a vote before I head out for the day. I'll likely be on at some point later on tonight for a little bit just to check in and will be on in the morning. I'll reserve the right to change my vote later if I feel the reason to.

I'm going to vote for Claphasma simply because his behavior so far this game hasn't been very constructive at all I feel. Yesterday people had a few different directions they could choose.. Vote No lynch and see what info if any came out of today.. or vote for someone and push the envelope a bit, perhaps force someone to make a move either good or bad one way..

Clap didn't do either of those things, instead he voted asap in the morning on someone before they checked in and didn't move it off.. No big deal as its day 1, and we don't know much day 1.. Today though he jumps right in and votes the only guy who hasn't even had any time to really catch up in voting for Thomkal.

I'll vote for Clap for now as really his and Greyroofoo's run on Render instantly to start the day was the only overly odd actions I'm aware of so far from yesterday.

[Alan T]

Vote Claphasma

[Thomkal]

oh great even the ghosts are voting for me now. :)

[Thomkal]

I knew somebody who vote for Clap because he voted for me even though we all know it was a joke. Didn't think it would be this quick though. :)

[Thomkal]

woops, who=would above

[Alan T]

I knew somebody who vote for Clap because he voted for me even though we all know it was a joke. Didn't think it would be this quick though. :)


I wasn't aware that you two even knew each other. I thought Clap was a newer player and you hadn't played in quite a while!

[path12]

I wasn't aware that you two even knew each other. I thought Clap was a newer player and you hadn't played in quite a while!

Wheels within wheels, man.

[Poli]

Or maybe the company tried to kill Sylar, and were basically denied a kill?
The bullet to the head makes me think otherwise. Sylar just scalps heroes as I recall.

[Greyroofoo]

I personally think he failed a dice roll or something

[Poli]

Seems like we're stuck with nowhere to go, so:

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Sticking with my original day 1 vote, no reason to think it was a bad vote.

Shurg.

It's still early, I'm waiting to see if we learn anything today.

[Mr. Wednesday]

FWIW, I have no info about the night. I don't think we can no lynch forever, so I'm in favor of taking a shot at Sylar and/or the Company today.

[claphamsa]

I wasn't aware that you two even knew each other. I thought Clap was a newer player and you hadn't played in quite a while!
dont know him,.

[Alan T]

dont know him,.

You and Thomkal are confusing me then...


I'm out of here for a bit. 5pm!

[st.cronin]

I'm a little disappointed that Pass never explained what set his hairs on edge about Alan, as that seemed like a potentially fruitful discussion.

I'd also like to revisit the revealing-names idea. I know a lot of people think that their power is related to their name, but I wonder if the question gets phrased another way if they feel the same way: Would I be able to GUESS your ability if I knew your character's name?

I think we may be able to put some pressure on Sylar if we do this. The downside is that it may be possible for Sylar/The Company to identify powerful Heroes, but I'm not sure I understand how likely/possible that is.

[SnDvls]

I would have no problem giving my "character name" FYI as it would not give away anything to what I can or cannot do.

[Lathum]

I personally think he failed a dice roll or something

he meaning sylar?

[Greyroofoo]

he meaning sylar?

yes

[nfg22]

Cronin, That is a stupid idea. I dont know the show but im sure we can closely guess. Also, Sylar can just act as another character and how do we even know i he lies about the power when it comes up?

I am with you on pass tho, and it is suspicious that he keeps claiming to have evidence and then never posts it, even after saying at least twice he would do so.

[st.cronin]

I assure you, nfg, nobody would be able to guess my ability if I revealed my character's name.

[nfg22]

Prove it....

[st.cronin]

Heh, the only way to do that would be to reveal my character's name. Which you just said would be stupid.

[nfg22]

Yes but you are the one proposing it. If you have a stupid idea you just may be that...

[nfg22]

Pass I want to hear why you dont like Alan T. Right now on the little evidence, I am all for Claph or Pass...Just to get someone talking...

[st.cronin]

nfg, Pass has been replaced by Thomkal.

[jeheinz72]

Hey folks, I'm out for the day now. Heads up, I have to work late tomorrow, so I'll be in a bit later as well. Should be in by 10-10:30 AM PST. I'll answer and questions then.

Have fun!

[Passacaglia]

nfg, Pass has been replaced by Thomkal.

And I do like Alan T! :)

[nfg22]

Well then its Thom or Claph for me. Since Pass cant answer now I guess ill just have to be split. Thanks for letting me know...

[nfg22]

in that case ill just go with Claph...

Vote Claphasma

[st.cronin]

Sure got quiet.

[Passacaglia]

Everyone is mourning the loss of me as a player in this game.

[Poli]

I'm not sure why you had to leave. Body snatching?

[Passacaglia]

I just remembered I'll be out of town for a 4-day weekend, and didn't think of it when I signed up.

[DaddyTorgo]

finally back. Didn't really get to check the board after my lunch break. Work got busy all of a sudden.

[DaddyTorgo]

doesn't look like much happened this afternoon. Dissapointed that we won't get to find out what raised Pass' eyebrows about Alan though, as I was curious to hear about that. Not sure where my vote will end up, but I've got some time I guess.

[hoopsguy]

Wow, it has been a ghost town so far for Day 2.

ooc - I had one of the most insane days of work ever today. I'll try to get a little more involved with discussion this evening but my head is reeling.

[Alan T]

Pass I want to hear why you dont like Alan T. Right now on the little evidence, I am all for Claph or Pass...Just to get someone talking...

doesn't look like much happened this afternoon. Dissapointed that we won't get to find out what raised Pass' eyebrows about Alan though, as I was curious to hear about that. Not sure where my vote will end up, but I've got some time I guess.


In case you all missed it, that was probably one of the only topics of discussion this morning.. Pass's issues with me. He spelled them out and I addressed them. My take from the end of that conversation was that Pass seemed to understand where I was coming from and didn't seem to refute anything I responded with... and I personally was not sure what to make of Pass.

His last notes this morning seemed to indicate that he just glossed over some of my posts instead of reading fully and once it was hashed out it wasn't as big of a deal anymore. If you want, I can quote all of that, but its just as easy for anyone else to go back and read it all.

[Lathum]

I think people may be afraid to slip up and becomae a target

[hoopsguy]

Alan, for what it is worth I find this to be a weird topic of conversation by multiple people. I'm actually more concerned with this as a diversion than I was your initial "sparring" with Pass in the first place.

[Alan T]

I think its just the deadline being in the afternoon, it leaves less reason for people to pop on here in the evening. My guess is most of the conversation will occur each day between 9am EST and 2pm EST.. There wasn't much conversation today after the deadline because... well I'm not sure what most of us made from the result of the night kill.

[st.cronin]

Alan, for what it is worth I find this to be a weird topic of conversation by multiple people. I'm actually more concerned with this as a diversion than I was your initial "sparring" with Pass in the first place.

Could you elaborate on this?

[Alan T]

Alan, for what it is worth I find this to be a weird topic of conversation by multiple people. I'm actually more concerned with this as a diversion than I was your initial "sparring" with Pass in the first place.

Well I have some thoughts on the subject, but haven't brought them up in case someone would call that also "being too defensive" :)

I'll agree that its odd to see so many people over the last two days drop hints of the kind trying to start a vote on me. I'll just stand by my previous comments regarding me being a possible easy lynch target before this game even started. Same thing happened last time I was a wolf several games in a row, suddenly I didn't live past day 3 of the next 10 games.

I'm not really expecting much different here, I'm just taking note of those who aren't necessarily leading the cause (whatever cause that is) against me, but instead are dropping subtle little innuendos about me that are far more passive-agressive.

[Lathum]

Alan, for what it is worth I find this to be a weird topic of conversation by multiple people. I'm actually more concerned with this as a diversion than I was your initial "sparring" with Pass in the first place.

I was thinking along the same lines hoops

[Barkeep49]

I think people may be afraid to slip up and becomae a target
Do you really?

[st.cronin]

Lathum, do you mean

a) lynch target
b) target of Sylar/Company

???

[hoopsguy]

Could you elaborate on this?

Sure - I thought that this was covered in the thread and I'm surprised at seeing multiple people (will go count it eventually) commenting on this being unresolved.

I'm trying to figure out if it is a by-product of not reading every post, or of just looking for something to talk about that brings up another person's name. But this is where I'm planning to spend my next few minutes, going through these posts.

[Lathum]

Night kill target.

I am sure there are people who obtained information last night but are afraid to share it for fear of being targeted

[Alan T]

Sure - I thought that this was covered in the thread and I'm surprised at seeing multiple people (will go count it eventually) commenting on this being unresolved.

I'm trying to figure out if it is a by-product of not reading every post, or of just looking for something to talk about that brings up another person's name. But this is where I'm planning to spend my next few minutes, going through these posts.

If it helps save you time, here are the posts you are looking for. I had them saved for my own notes for later personally anyhows.


VOTE NO LYNCH

seems like a no-brainer. Interested to see what Pass has to say about "the way alan is arguing" though

I'm a little disappointed that Pass never explained what set his hairs on edge about Alan, as that seemed like a potentially fruitful discussion.

I'd also like to revisit the revealing-names idea. I know a lot of people think that their power is related to their name, but I wonder if the question gets phrased another way if they feel the same way: Would I be able to GUESS your ability if I knew your character's name?

I think we may be able to put some pressure on Sylar if we do this. The downside is that it may be possible for Sylar/The Company to identify powerful Heroes, but I'm not sure I understand how likely/possible that is.

Pass I want to hear why you dont like Alan T. Right now on the little evidence, I am all for Claph or Pass...Just to get someone talking...

[Barkeep49]

Night kill target.

I am sure there are people who obtained information last night but are afraid to share it for fear of being targeted
Perhaps. Which brings up a point I often make with No Lynch votes. So we have that info, but we as a village don't have it, so are we really better off?

Too late now especially as I helped contribute towards it.

[st.cronin]

Its not a diversion from anything, because nobody has given us anything to talk about. I've tried to resurrect the day 1 idea of revealing character names, but nobody really wants to talk about that either.

[Alan T]

Perhaps. Which brings up a point I often make with No Lynch votes. So we have that info, but we as a village don't have it, so are we really better off?

Too late now especially as I helped contribute towards it.

I'm not ready just yet to say that yesterday's no lynch was a bad thing. It seemed that the only two run aways was votes on the jackyl or a no lynch... So I think only time will tell us these two things:

1) Was Jackyl worth saving
2) Did people find out enough useful information to make that no lynch worthwhile.

I'm still thinking if enough people go an extra days worth of data to classify it as a head start so to speak, it could be worth it.. Only time will tell though. So far we definitly don't seem to have alot to go on today.

[Alan T]

Its not a diversion from anything, because nobody has given us anything to talk about. I've tried to resurrect the day 1 idea of revealing character names, but nobody really wants to talk about that either.

I'll talk about it more if you want, but my mind hasn't really changed since yesterday. Reading ntn's role description after his death has done nothing but help me feel even more assure that if I know someone's role 9 times out of 10 I'll have a good idea what their power will be too..

I think that is something that might be worthwhile at some point this game, but not right now for the reasons I said yesterday and this morning.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, for what it is worth I'm of a mind to reveal information tomorrow about my role and data I've collected. So far I don't have anything that is going to help with the vote today (other than don't vote me!) but I'm willing to take this leap at the start of Day 3. Particularly if we aren't seeing more information revealed that is going to help narrow the field in catching Sylar or Company folks.

[st.cronin]

I'll talk about it more if you want, but my mind hasn't really changed since yesterday. Reading ntn's role description after his death has done nothing but help me feel even more assure that if I know someone's role 9 times out of 10 I'll have a good idea what their power will be too..

I think that is something that might be worthwhile at some point this game, but not right now for the reasons I said yesterday and this morning.

Really? I would not have guessed that the Haitian would have that ability. I would have thought he would be able to read minds, or compel a vote, or something along those lines.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, the Haitian blocked powers in the show as well as wiped memory.

Parkman (either Jr or Sr) would seem more likely to have the powers you are listing. Or Eden.

Haitian is one of the roles I felt very strongly about being in the game. There were about ten that I was almost sure would be in the game, maybe another half-dozen that I thought would not be in the game, and a group in the middle that I thought was questionable. But this was another topic that people didn't want to discuss much yesterday.

[Alan T]

Really? I would not have guessed that the Haitian would have that ability. I would have thought he would be able to read minds, or compel a vote, or something along those lines.


I think I probably would have guessed it :)


The Haitain - Not only erase memories, but he also could block people's powers or prevent them from working if in close proximity.

[st.cronin]

I thought it was the dark haired woman (forgot her name) that blocked the powers, the one that was killed when Sylar escaped from his cell. Maybe I'm remembering the show wrong.

[Alan T]

I thought it was the dark haired woman (forgot her name) that blocked the powers, the one that was killed when Sylar escaped from his cell. Maybe I'm remembering the show wrong.


She had the power of persuasion.

[hoopsguy]

Eden (dark haired woman) was with the Haitian when they caught Sylar after his throwdown with Peter at the high school. But it was the Haitian who took his powers from him and Eden who told him to sleep (think I'm remembering this correctly).

Later, Eden wanted to kill Sylar in his cell. She went in to give him a gun and tell him to shoot himself. But it didn't work out that well for her ...

[st.cronin]

Ok, I guess I'm convinced that its a bad idea to reveal names. I still think it might help us to out Sylar, but maybe the cost isn't worth it.

[Barkeep49]

hoops: I think discussing which names are in the game would be useful but I don't know the show and thus couldn't contribute to the conversation.

[hoopsguy]

I am also a hero. and my power seems close the show.

The Company may well have a list of players, but didn't our great leader let us know he wasn't going to give skylar a false name to use. That seems to imply that he won't be given those playing either.

I dont think they will know who is in the game. At least I dont think sylar knows. werent we told he would not be given a name not in use

I'm guessing the Company was taking their shot at Sylar last night when they targeted NTN. I haven't gone through all of his posts, but I did see these as I was re-reading some of the content from yesterday.

[st.cronin]

Hoops, I thought Sylar couldn't be night-killed?


Sylar - You are one bad and evail mamma jamma. You don't care about the world, or any silly company, just killing. You want as many Heroes and Company members dead as possible, for your own benefit. You win by surviving. You need to make it to where only 3 other people besides you are still alive. You cannot be night killed by the Company.

[st.cronin]

dola, unless you think they were trying to find out if he WAS Sylar. But you would think if that was their suspicion that they would simply try to vote him.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, I can't find anything else in NTN's posts that suggests why he would be the night-kill.

If you are the Company, you need to get rid of both groups. You know that NTN is not a member of your group. So you think he might be Sylar, and you take your shot. If you are wrong, you just kill a hero. No harm, no foul. If you are right, you have identified Sylar early in the game and can begin working on getting him voted off the island.

[hoopsguy]

Also, I count 13 posts from people commenting on whether or not their roles correspond to the powers in the show. Most do, a few don't.

I'm OK with posting my notes on this if people want me to do so. Of course, it provides info for the wolves as well if they haven't already been conducting this exercise.

[Alan T]

Also, I count 13 posts from people commenting on whether or not their roles correspond to the powers in the show. Most do, a few don't.

I'm OK with posting my notes on this if people want me to do so. Of course, it provides info for the wolves as well if they haven't already been conducting this exercise.


I have similar notes as well so it doesn't matter to me one way or another if you do. I think that type of information once again isn't that harmful though to the heroes as long as roles are not revealed. Once we get to revealing roles however, that type of information becomes pretty dangerous in the wrong hands.

[hoopsguy]

OK, here are my notes. Alan, if you have some others to plug in please do. Also, I think I posted this but did not write it down for my own notes - I'm a hero in game and hero on show. I have not commented on closeness of powers up to this point.

Alan - character was a good guy on show (83)
Lathum - power lines up with show (85)
Grey - power somewhat close to show (88)
Cronin - power doesn't match up with season one (103), nobody would guess power if given name (348)
NTN - hero, power matches closely to show (105)
Render - hero, worthless power (113)
BK - hero, power crammed into WW (114), revealing name would not give away power (123)
nfg - power pretty useless (168)
MrW - power reasonable extrapolation from show (179)
Chief - hero, similar power to show, only seen first few episodes (208)
DT - part of powers logical, part is a leap (266)
AE - doesn't have night power (270), role is passive of sorts, thinks there are others out there like him (287)
SnDvls - character name would not indicate powers (344)

[Poli]

That was very ardentistic, hoops. I approve.

Sadly, I haven't seen/we don't have any new hard information and I know I'll be at a hospital during my work day tomorrow.

This vote isn't based on anything right now, but it's a placeholder in case I forget in the morning before I head to work. Hopefully, we'll have some information by the morning. Surely someone got something worthwhile.

VOTE ALAN T

[Thomkal]

Ok still haven't caught up with the old posts, but I want to make clear this whole Alan/Pass disagreement has nothing to do with me. There's nothing from the initial PM or Pass's first action that would suggest to me any reason to distrust Alan (or anyone else) at this point. I like Alan and I read his posts. :)

So if you are considering voting for me based on Pass's posts, please don't-Pass thought there was something suspicious in Alan's posts. I have no information from Pass on what that was, and will not be pursuing his arguments.

[hoopsguy]

I thought it was more Ardent-esque than ardentistic. But Ardent is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.

[Alan T]

Ok still haven't caught up with the old posts, but I want to make clear this whole Alan/Pass disagreement has nothing to do with me. There's nothing from the initial PM or Pass's first action that would suggest to me any reason to distrust Alan (or anyone else) at this point. I like Alan and I read his posts. :)

So if you are considering voting for me based on Pass's posts, please don't-Pass thought there was something suspicious in Alan's posts. I have no information from Pass on what that was, and will not be pursuing his arguments.


Don't worry, Pass seemed to reconcile things with me pretty well before he left the game, so I wasn't looking hard in his or your direction anyways. I have plenty of other people that are begging to be looked at whom seem to like throwing out my name without any reason what so ever anyhows :)

[The Jackal]

Just want to throw out there that I've never seen the show (not sure if I mentioned this before) and I have no idea if my powers match up, or what not.

In case I can't get online from work tomorrow before the deadline -

Vote Render

It's just a feeling, I really have no factual information to go on. Maybe it'll encourage some further talking.

[st.cronin]

These are the votes I have counted:
claphamsa - 2 - Alan T (331), nfg22 (357)
Thomkal - 1 - claphamsa (318)
ardent enthusiast - 1 - st.cronin (328)
Alan T - 1 - ardent enthusiast (411)
RendeR - 1 - The Jackal (415)

[st.cronin]

The voting has seemed very weird to me the last two days.

[DaddyTorgo]

Sure - I thought that this was covered in the thread and I'm surprised at seeing multiple people (will go count it eventually) commenting on this being unresolved.

I'm trying to figure out if it is a by-product of not reading every post, or of just looking for something to talk about that brings up another person's name. But this is where I'm planning to spend my next few minutes, going through these posts.

by-product of a crazy day of work (as I mentioned) and not really reading every word of every post. If it's resolved then it's resolved...that's fine.

[DaddyTorgo]

If it helps save you time, here are the posts you are looking for. I had them saved for my own notes for later personally anyhows.


pardon my french, but that's bullshit - my vote and my comment there in my first post was BEFORE you hashed things out with Pass. It was late last night. :mad::mad:

[Alan T]

pardon my french, but that's bullshit - my vote and my comment there in my first post was BEFORE you hashed things out with Pass. It was late last night. :mad::mad:


Uhh.. would you rather me quote your post that occured after things were hashed out with Pass? Since you were so elegant in your response here.. I guess I could swear back at you and shove it down your throat if you really want...

It was my personal notes I was keeping track of.. I didn't feel much need to record your additional comment the next day since I already had your name down as a note to watch.. So let me know if you would like me to quote your post that occured after Pass was gone from today.. if you really want.

Thanks for the polite response though.

[Alan T]

doesn't look like much happened this afternoon. Dissapointed that we won't get to find out what raised Pass' eyebrows about Alan though, as I was curious to hear about that. Not sure where my vote will end up, but I've got some time I guess.

Since I'm such a nice guy and don't hold hard feelings.. here you go.. Should help refresh your memories. :)

[Alan T]

Geesh DT.. if you're going to cuss at me, you could at least take it like a man when I prove you wrong :)

Anyhows.. no hard feelings here. You pushed, so I pushed back.

[Thomkal]

Doing a quick scan of the players that might be in the game, here's who I think is more likely to be in the game:

Claire Bennett-the cheerleader's gotta be there to save the world. :)
Issac Mendez
Hiro Nakumura
Peter Petrelli
Sylar-duh
Niki Sanders
Matt Parkman
Maury Parkman
Noel Bennet
Bob Bishop
Angela Petrelli
Mohinder Surash
Adam Monroe

I picked these because they were either/and:
-integral to the story, which may not mean too much here
-clearly defined powers that would fit in this game
-"good/evil" counterbalanced powers-the Parkmans, Hiro/Adam, and Peter/Sylar
-Members of the Company on the show, some are likely to be in the game.

Remember though that our names don't necessairly pertain to our side in this game, so we shouldn't put too much weight on someone if their name is revealed and its an "evil name" from the show.

[nfg22]

Well Im tired and dont want to think too much. I had alot of work today but seriously, I know I had a good reason for why I didnt think Pass cleared all that up. Anyways I wasnt going to vote for Alan but I was going to vote against Pass cause I thought he was stirring the kettle without cause. I know its early but im looking for something. For right now Im focused on Claph as he has voted early and without cause...

[DaddyTorgo]

Uhh.. would you rather me quote your post that occured after things were hashed out with Pass? Since you were so elegant in your response here.. I guess I could swear back at you and shove it down your throat if you really want...

It was my personal notes I was keeping track of.. I didn't feel much need to record your additional comment the next day since I already had your name down as a note to watch.. So let me know if you would like me to quote your post that occured after Pass was gone from today.. if you really want.

Thanks for the polite response though.

sorry, just got a little up-in-arms there feeling like i'm being unfairly singled out. Maybe it did occur after Pass had hashed things out with you, but as I was reading along at work I didn't notice that though. Trying to sneak in reads of the thread as I'm supposed to be working has an impact on my ability to fully comprehend things.

[DaddyTorgo]

Since I'm such a nice guy and don't hold hard feelings.. here you go.. Should help refresh your memories. :)

oh no that I agree with!! :D

that I posted after hearing that pass was gone but before really digging back and seeing that you two had hashed it out. and I hadn't seen that because I was busy working my ass off today.

the part that pissed me off was you quoting my little piece before my no-lynch vote from last night and trying to pass that off like it was part of me trying to get a run going on you. when it wasn't, and I was legitimately curious what pass had to say/reveal at that point.

[st.cronin]

Where are the posts where Alan and pass resolved things? I still don't see those, I've gone back through the thread a couple of times.

[nfg22]

Im with that. Honestly, not that I read back but I saw two posts where pass promised to explain and then didnt.

[Chief Rum]

Hey everyone, I am around if anyone wants to chat, but I figure most of you aren't around. Doesn't seem we learned much today.

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

let me clearly explain this to clear it up -

I was offended that Alan quoted my text from before my vote last night and tried to make it look like that was me starting a run on him, because at that point nothing had been hashed out and I was just mentioning it in sort of a "recap of the day."

He is more rightous in pointing out that I mentioned it again today after Pass had left. I wasn't trying to start anything though, that was simply a function of being buried under a ton of work and trying to sneak in reads of the thread at work and missing all the details of the hashing-out. I am not really "pissed off" about that, but note that I'm not trying to start any kind of a run based on that - I'm satisfied with Pass' being satisfied before he left, especially now that I've read it all and find out that it was basically just his "gut" and not a reveal of some information or some tell or something.

Just wanted to set the record straight as my frequent reactionary-posting here with these dolas may have confused some people.

[Alan T]

Where are the posts where Alan and pass resolved things? I still don't see those, I've gone back through the thread a couple of times.

Here is the morning conversation where it was hashed out.. I said my peace, Pass explained what things he "Saw" and why he saw them that everyone was interested in and I responded to those.


I wouldn't say I'm getting overly defensive. I'm pretty much just responding with how I feel. Path disagreed with something he thought i said, and we cleared up that misunderstanding. Hoopsguy seems to disagree with several of my points, and we've left it at that. I'm responding to you because of how you are trying to dangle my name out. Instead of saying why you disagree with what I am saying, you just say something along the lines of "he just feels off".

Agree with me, or disagree with me, but here are my points:

1) The majority of people whom have commented have stated that their power is similar to what they would expect based on what they know of their character from the show.
2) Because of #1, saying our roles in this game has the risk of pretty openly revealing also what our powers are for everyont to know.
3) Sylar based on what he does in the show, likely wants to know who has certain specific roles because those are the most "juicy" for him to target
4) Jeheinz has said that you can't equate what side someone is on in the show with what side they are on in this game. ie: Hiro or Claire could be bad here.
5) Revealing roles doesn't tell us what side anyone is on because of #4, and it puts some people at risk because of #2, thus I feel that revealing roles at this point is not a good move.
6) In games where everyone has roles or abilities or powers as is the case in this game, it seems to lead to the villagers having more information than normal games each day to go on. Typically in games when you argue whether No lynch is a viable solution or not, the response question is "What would be different day 2 from day 1?" In this game because of the extra roles, it could be quite alot. Enough to at least warrant a no lynch on day 1 to see how things pan out.


Now some people disagree with #5, some disagree with #6, both is fine since that is different people's opinions. They don't have to agree with me. You on the other hand aren't contributing anythign other than "I don't like how Alan is talking". Thats my issue with you right now, and if this was a situation that I felt a lynch was worthwhile, i would be pushing for you to be lynched.

Guess I should add onto this list my additional thought that I had this morning:

7) With all of the additional powers, I wouldn't be suprised to see some roles have the ability to "escape" a night kill such as Nathan flying away.. or to live through a night kill such as Claire or Adam Monroe... So to combat that, I agree with Hoops thought that there might be multiple night kills.

Alan, here's the post that pinged my radar. Sylar's goals are clearly stated in the rules, but you use doubt about Sylar's goals in your argument to avoid reveals.

Did you even read my post?

Dola, if you read my post, clearly the word "goals" is in reference to how he handles his night kills.. what does he do.. try to outright just kill someone? Target someone to gain a power? How does he use that power once he gains it? Can he choose each night to use a specific power he has gained in his next night kill? Can he use multiple powers? etc...

I don't even think I referenced game winning conditions once in that post... Now if it is spelled out somewhere what Sylar actually does with his powers every night, please point me to it. Otherwise I'll assume you didn't really read my post and are just scrambling in your attempt to try to cast a shadow on my attempts to provide discussion.

Alan, here was another post that pinged my radar, although reading it today, it might just be that I can't make any sense of it. Perhaps if someone else who is less familiar with the show than you has a role that I can spy on others, this would be helpful for?

I'm not bringing this up to try to accuse you -- just to figure out what you were saying. :)

Weren't you the person who called sarcasm "dumb" a few games back?

If someone has the role of the invisible man, or DL or some role that allows them to "spy" on another person for the night, they could then possibly see what someone is doing.. But without knowing the theme.. they would see an action and not necessarily know if the action is one you would expect from a good role or a bad role.

My point was by listing out the possible actions we could expect to see, that player then could witness the action of another, and try to discern on their own if they feel it is something you would expect of a specific role and then have more information on whether or not to reveal something. It would be ashame for someone to reveal themselves only for clarification of a role that appears likely harmless or good in nature.

I'm not being sarcastic at all. I get burnt out in WW games often because I feel people as a group tend to just gloss over my posts or not really pay attention to what I say.. It was a reoccuring "joke" in a recent game when people would come up with -ideas- that I had previously given.

I honestly am wondering if you really read my post or just glossed through it. Because your comment about that post doesn't even match to what I said in that post. It was like you were just throwing out arguements for the sake of trying to trash me. If it was simply you just glossed over my post.. then well that is not a wolfish thing, its just damn frustrating to me that people keep doing it to me.

Well, good luck figuring it out! :)




After these conversations, Pass pretty much dropped it and continued on in other discussion with Lathum, Cronin and myself throughout the day. Like I said, he seemed to jump at something that wasn't really there, but the intriguing thing to me are the individuals who are remained fixated on it. I already predicted some people were possibly going to try to use it to try to steamroll a vote on me, and when I turn up good point the blame back at Pass instead.

I'm just making it very clear that if people want to vote for me, they'll need to find their own reasons to do so and not some make believe reason that someone else supposedly hinted at

[Alan T]

Hey everyone, I am around if anyone wants to chat, but I figure most of you aren't around. Doesn't seem we learned much today.

I'm around a little longer if you want to chat. Not sure what there is to chat about, I feel I've chatted enough already this game. But if you want conversation I'm around :)

[st.cronin]

Alan, I am not looking for a reason to vote for you. But in those posts that you quote, it doesn't look as though you and Pass are really "resolved." He did leave his vote on you yesterday.

Like I said, I'm not looking for a reason to vote for you, I'm just looking for possible alignments.

[nfg22]

Im with the Croney on this one...Im confused when I read all that. Basically you said alot of vague and non-important things, pass said something and you asked him if he read it, then he says good luck...how is that resolving it?

[st.cronin]

Dola, I'm more than willing to entertain other possibly fruitful topics if anybody prefers.

[nfg22]

I dont know who to be suspicious of...you or pass..Then again I dont really understand what went on and maybe I am making something out of nothing...

[Alan T]

Alan, I am not looking for a reason to vote for you. But in those posts that you quote, it doesn't look as though you and Pass are really "resolved." He did leave his vote on you yesterday.

Like I said, I'm not looking for a reason to vote for you, I'm just looking for possible alignments.

Well right now I'm thinking you, Ardent, Nfg and DaddyTorgo seem like a pretty likely alignment based on how you all have been approaching me. But I'm guessing thats not quite what you had in mind? :)

[Alan T]

Im with the Croney on this one...Im confused when I read all that. Basically you said alot of vague and non-important things, pass said something and you asked him if he read it, then he says good luck...how is that resolving it?

Thanks for classifying my effort to try to provide conversation as vague and non-important.

I'm out for the night. This is the type of thing that does get to me after a while in WW and why I take breaks at times. Disagree if you want, but bleh whatever.

[nfg22]

Thanks for classifying my effort to try to provide conversation as vague and non-important.

I'm out for the night. This is the type of thing that does get to me after a while in WW and why I take breaks at times. Disagree if you want, but bleh whatever.

I think you are acting like a baby. Add something please..

[Alan T]

I think you are acting like a baby. Add something please..

I've asked Jeheinz to replace me in this game. I've about had it with the name calling, the swearing and the rude behavior. I don't even know who you are, so perhaps you are a nice guy.

This is acting like a baby

Unvote Claphasma

Vote nfg22

[nfg22]

Seriously. I voiced some questions and all you can say is that this is what makes you tired of the game. Now you are quitting? Man. Im sorry we have a little discussion and heat coming.

[st.cronin]

Aw geez.

[nfg22]

I usually try to be nice...Im sorry if I offended you. Yet, take a little heat man. Last game everyone killed me cause I talked alot, which I am again, but I didnt quit and hate it.

They voiced complaints at me for two days, yet I took it. Now I am back.

Just deal with it bro.

[st.cronin]

I do hope Alan comes back. DT was out of line, but did apologize. I don't know what to make of you, nfg, but I do hope you'll offer an apology.

[DaddyTorgo]

I was out of line.

I did apologize in-thread, and I also just sent a PM to Alan apologizing personally. I also was not name-calling per se, as much as I was expressing anger at what I felt was an inaccurate assessment. I didn't say "Alan you're a _____." I said "That is ______."

But regardless, I was out of line to use such language (I don't curse a lot at all in person, so it's very unusual for me), and I have apologized.

nfg...is just being a punk.

[nfg22]

I said sorry. I still think that is being a poor sport. I know that may not be nice but I think it is true. Sorry Alan, I will not call names.


Seriously though can you give a reason on how you and pass resolved all that? Explain what happened in a short paragraph?

[st.cronin]

I'm out for the night, I sincerely hope Alan doesn't quit.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, this is silly. And unfortunately, I don't really buy that anyone (except wolves) know anything at this point, so I'm going to have to pick out someone to vote for.

I am going to go with Thomkal on the theory that either Pass or Alan T were pushing too hard. Yeah, it's weak.

VOTE THOMKAL

[Narcizo]

I assure you, nfg, nobody would be able to guess my ability if I revealed my character's name.

Seriously then. Is there any reason not to reveal your name? If nothing else it should clear you from being Sylar. (seems like a huge risk for him to guess an unused name at this stage). The reason I've been against name reveals is because it could reveal powers. If it really is impossible to deduce your power from your name I don't see much reason to hold onto it.

[Narcizo]

So, up to this point I haven't seen a bunch of information learned on Day 1 that validates the idea of No Lynch. Not really meant to be an "I told you so" but an observation that may influence my decisions on this type of call for future games.

That's a fairly bizarre comment to make. What did you expect to happen? A seer to come out and say "hey! X is a wolf". Of course you haven't seen a bunch of information coming out. That doesn't mean the information isn't there, providing a bit of help to some villagers. Shirley.

[Neon_Chaos]

So, up to this point I haven't seen a bunch of information learned on Day 1 that validates the idea of No Lynch. Not really meant to be an "I told you so" but an observation that may influence my decisions on this type of call for future games.

Cronin, for what it is worth I'm of a mind to reveal information tomorrow about my role and data I've collected. So far I don't have anything that is going to help with the vote today (other than don't vote me!) but I'm willing to take this leap at the start of Day 3. Particularly if we aren't seeing more information revealed that is going to help narrow the field in catching Sylar or Company folks.

These posts just struck me as odd. If you have a role that allows you to collect information/data, then having a no lynch on Day 1 would mostly be a plus for you, because you're able to collect additional information without risking killing a good guy on no information at all via the Day 1 lynch, right?

[Narcizo]

Anyway onto the whole Alan farrago. I think I've actually seen an argument like this before between (I think) Anxiety and Alan, and as a wolf at the time I was very happy to see it. Unfortunately we couldn't capitilise on the argument and in the end had to night kill Alan because he was too good as a villager to keep around. Of course this tells us that these sorts of arguments can be (and normally are, I would imagine) between two villagers.

From my limited experience of werewolf I'd say that Alan is one of the best villagers I've seen, and he certainly seems to be one of the few people here actually coming up with any ideas. (he was the first one to bring up the No Lynch idea, for example, something the majority agreed with). Sure he might be a wolf but at the moment it seems to be me that what he's been contributing makes any vote on him pretty strange. Sure he could be a wolf hiding in the open and trying to misdirect us blah blah blah but I think as villagers we gain a lot more by giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying that he's a villager at this stage.

Next it seems to me that a wolf would try to make capital from the whole situation by prodding things along and trying to get some sort of case against Alan going. If you think that this is an opportunist thing then that probably means it's not Pass/Thomkal - particularly, as Alan says, Pass could be fitted up as a scapegoat if Alan is lynched and turns up good. The tone of the exchange with DT just doesn't make me suspicious which leaves me with St Cronin and nfg, with Ardent putting a "place holder" vote on Alan with no real reason given. For want of anything better at the moment (this is, basically, a day one vote) I'll probably be voting to lynch one of these.

[Schmidty]

Well right now I'm thinking you, Ardent, Nfg and DaddyTorgo seem like a pretty likely alignment based on how you all have been approaching me.

Which means that there's a 0% chance that they're a behind-the-scenes alignment, because no one is that stupid.

[Schmidty]

Thanks for classifying my effort to try to provide conversation as vague and non-important.

I'm out for the night. This is the type of thing that does get to me after a while in WW and why I take breaks at times. Disagree if you want, but bleh whatever.

Why so sensitive? I don't think he said anything wrong. This is WW, not a tea party.

[Schmidty]

I do hope Alan comes back. DT was out of line, but did apologize. I don't know what to make of you, nfg, but I do hope you'll offer an apology.

Why? WTF did he do. I'm baffled. He said Alan was being vague? Is that a bad thing now days? Man, this makes me miss Blade. There are different play styles. Not everyone is going to be hoops or Alan or CR. Name calling is obviously not good at all, but his intial comment that set Alan off was innocuous imo.

Quitting the game over it? Puhhllease. Maybe I'll quit if this is what WW has become.

[Neon_Chaos]

I actually have no opinion on the Alan T / Pass scuffle. I think it's a minor distraction that always happens early in WW and that always ends up getting us nowhere (other than to give us that feeling that we're voting with purpose).

[Schmidty]

As far as voting today - I have no idea what direction to go, as usually happens at this point in the game. I would vote Alan for the drama (perhaps a wolf trying to shed heat by loudly being "outraged and offended"), but I know that he would never go so far as to threaten to quit the game to gain leverage, so that pretty much makes voting for him senseless. Also, nfg22 is being quite aggressive, and I'm pretty sure a wolf wouldn't do that until later in the game, so that rules him out to me right now. After that, I'm not sure where to go.

At this point, I believe I'll go with someone quiet, as I'm not sure what else to do:


Vote Greyroofoo

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'd love to do more than just drive by, but I was out a lot later than I expected tonight, and I've very tired right now (probably should have gone to bed an hour ago).

Speaking of people being quiet, I don't remember seeing anything from olie in a good while. I'm unlikely to stick with this past today, but it'll do for now.

VOTE oliegirl

[Narcizo]

which leaves me with St Cronin and nfg, with Ardent putting a "place holder" vote on Alan with no real reason given. For want of anything better at the moment (this is, basically, a day one vote) I'll probably be voting to lynch one of these.

Thinking a bit more about this is there any real reason why we shouldn't have a No Lynch vote today as well? Hopefully there are some people who have a better idea about who one other person is/can do, but is there any over-riding reason to not let them go about collecting their information in peace? Without, in all probability, adding a villager to the deathlist with a lynch. I don't really understand what's changed so radically that the overwhelming majority (myself included, although I voted differently) were for a No Lynch yesterday but suddenly are prepared to vote on nothing more than hunches and supposition (again, myself included looking at my reasoning). Does anyone actually think that there's much more than 30% chance that their vote is for a bad guy? I certainly don't were I to vote for one of the three I've mentioned.

I can understand that people are getting itchy trigger fingers with the comparative lack of action/discussion going on but if we accept that there are multiple "detective" type roles why not let them get on with their work. When someone thinks that they have a compelling case against someone (for whatever reason) or that time really is ticking away then we can move to lynches. After another night then each person with some sort of seer ability should have a read on two people. To me that should really give us something solid to work with. Far more so than the voting patterns of a villager vs villager run off today.

I'm against no lynches in normal games but I can remember at least one case where no lynch decisions would have greatly strengthened the villagers cause. I just find it curious that there was such a run on the No Lynch option yesterday ("the only logical option" etc etc) but suddenly nobody seems to even think it's an option worth mentioning today.

VOTE NO LYNCH

There. I've said it.

[Narcizo]

Building on st cronin's list -

claphamsa 1 - Alan T (331), nfg22 (357), Alan T unvote (440)
Thomkal 2 - claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (448)
Ardent 1 - st. cronin (328)
Alan T 1 - Ardent (411)
Render 1 - Jackal (415)
nfg22 1 - Alan T (440)
Greyroofoo 1 - Schmidty (457)
oliegirl 1 - Mr Wednesday (458)
No Lynch 1 - Narcizo (459)

I think this sort of voting backs up my point that no-one seems to have much/anything to go on.

[Neon_Chaos]

I will have to agree with Narcizo.

Based on how scattered the votes cast are and the relative lack of information, we really don't have a clear direction of where to go right now. In a regular WW game, it would be easy to take a risk of losing a villager in the effort to try and weed out the wolves because not every villager had a specific ability to do for the day, and we would be more willing to sacrifice a vilager without an ability in order to try and figure out how everyone sits.

As it is, everyone has a role and an ability in this game, and it would benefit us villagers more if we try to limit the early blind lynchings if only to give those among us who have seer-like abilities to weed out the Company and Sylar, instead of helping them trim our numbers by blindly lynching as we usually do.

That is, of course, unless someone has given some hint that may have gone over our heads that we haven't been able to decipher.

So, for now.

Vote No Lynch

[Narcizo]

I may not be back until after deadline. Have fun.

[Poli]

I thought it was more Ardent-esque than ardentistic. But Ardent is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.
True. That fits better but I was under the gun for time. ;)

[Poli]

I'm out for the night, I sincerely hope Alan doesn't quit.
+1 :confused:

[Poli]

VOTE NO LYNCH

There. I've said it.

I thought about doing the same thing last night, and if I don't see anything in the next 10 min before I go to work I'll be joining you.

[Poli]

Heh, quiet night w/o the drama. . Glad I'm not involved in it. ;)

I'm thoroughly disappointed that we don't have any leads.

UNVOTE ALAN T

VOTE NO LYNCH

[hoopsguy]

Doing a quick scan of the players that might be in the game, here's who I think is more likely to be in the game:

Claire Bennett-the cheerleader's gotta be there to save the world. :)
Issac Mendez
Hiro Nakumura
Peter Petrelli
Sylar-duh
Niki Sanders
Matt Parkman
Maury Parkman
Noel Bennet
Bob Bishop
Angela Petrelli
Mohinder Surash
Adam Monroe

I picked these because they were either/and:
-integral to the story, which may not mean too much here
-clearly defined powers that would fit in this game
-"good/evil" counterbalanced powers-the Parkmans, Hiro/Adam, and Peter/Sylar
-Members of the Company on the show, some are likely to be in the game.

Remember though that our names don't necessairly pertain to our side in this game, so we shouldn't put too much weight on someone if their name is revealed and its an "evil name" from the show.

Close to my list, but I don't accept that some of the duplicate powers are going to be in the game. So on my "must be in game list" I don't have Sr. Parkman (duplicate with son) or Adam Monroe (duplicate with cheerleader). I also didn't have Bob Bishop on my list, but if you think he is there then I think his daughter would be there as well.

[Poli]

Hoops, I'm running late and have to hit the ice, I mean road.

My best guess is there are 'similar' powers if you will. Parkman and his dad both could do mind stuff, as I recall. Seems like there was another two powers I saw that were similar as well.

[hoopsguy]

That's a fairly bizarre comment to make. What did you expect to happen? A seer to come out and say "hey! X is a wolf". Of course you haven't seen a bunch of information coming out. That doesn't mean the information isn't there, providing a bit of help to some villagers. Shirley.

The rationale that was being provided is that "we learn so much on Day 1 that we shouldn't push a lynch which will likely be wrong and potentially take out a good role". You can see that I didn't really buy into that logic - this is werewolf and we learn information by applying pressure to people. But over 50% of the people in the game voted no lynch.

So, it was more intended to suggest to people "don't go down this line of thought next game - no lynch sucks as a villager strategy".

And I frankly did expect someone to have something to contribute if we all have powers and were using them on other people to gather information, protect ourselves, etc. I'm still catching up on my reading, so maybe someone did learn something in the late-night crowd, but I was surprised that there was zero information publicly shared on Day 2.

[Thomkal]

Close to my list, but I don't accept that some of the duplicate powers are going to be in the game. So on my "must be in game list" I don't have Sr. Parkman (duplicate with son) or Adam Monroe (duplicate with cheerleader). I also didn't have Bob Bishop on my list, but if you think he is there then I think his daughter would be there as well.

You could be right about that Hoops, I just thought it would be appropriate for both sides to have similar powers for game balance. And story wise it'd be fun to have them in though that probably wasn't a strong consideration for JHeinz. For story reasons I suppose it would make sense to have Bishop's daughter there, but I just hate that character so I left her out. :)

[hoopsguy]

These posts just struck me as odd. If you have a role that allows you to collect information/data, then having a no lynch on Day 1 would mostly be a plus for you, because you're able to collect additional information without risking killing a good guy on no information at all via the Day 1 lynch, right?

Well, not exactly. When I go public I think it will make more sense.

[Thomkal]

Yeah hoops I agree, I thought there would be some information coming out today given all the powers that might be in this game, so its disappointing nothing has.

[Thomkal]

Well at least now I have a good reason to vote for someone. No wolf would "push too strongly" on day 1 unless they were up for the vote. As good a player as Pass is, he would not spark a fight with Alan on day 1 if he was a wolf.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[hoopsguy]

Thomkal, for what it is worth I think you are the best vote for today. It isn't from anything you've said, but more related to some of Passacaglia's posts earlier in the game. He seemed to be asking questions about why people made certain assumptions on Sylar/Company and I felt like he was trying to re-direct more than understand.

It has very little, if anything, to do with Pass vs Alan arguments.

I know that I can't ask you to explain Passacaglia's thought process before you entered the game, but unfortunately it is part of the track record in sizing you up in the game.

If you have thoughts on this, I would be interested in hearing them. I'll go drudge up posts to back this up if you think the impressions that I'm listing here are bogus.

[hoopsguy]

Narcizo, since you are in the thread now - I actually like the "No Lynch" argument a tad more today than I did yesterday in light of only one death. But I still have the same issues with it overall, in that we have to apply pressure on players in werewolf as a means of obtaining information. The "No Lynch" is an easy way out, a way of being polite to our fellow FOFC denizens. But it potentially destroys voting records, which are a significant part of mid/late game analysis. It also deters discussion when a majority of people head in that direction.

I've gone with the "No Lynch" at least once in a game before and I regretted doing so in the coming days for the reasons I've listed this game. I'm pretty sure I'll be registering a vote every day, with the possible (very improbable) exception of an end-game scenario.

[Alan T]

I just dropped jeheinz a note to say I won't drop out after all. Its not fair to him to bring drama into his game. I'm dropping my thoughts about certain things until after the game is over. No reason to bring more drama into his game.

[hoopsguy]

(OK, this is a perfect time for some snarky comment about Alan to really set him off ....)

:)

[hoopsguy]

I don't think Alan should drop out of the game. I hope that he will see this and send JEHeinz a note apologizing for bringing drama to his game. Why not just drop his thoughts on certain things until after the game is over?

Why don't people read Alan's posts????

[Neon_Chaos]

Narcizo, since you are in the thread now - I actually like the "No Lynch" argument a tad more today than I did yesterday in light of only one death. But I still have the same issues with it overall, in that we have to apply pressure on players in werewolf as a means of obtaining information. The "No Lynch" is an easy way out, a way of being polite to our fellow FOFC denizens. But it potentially destroys voting records, which are a significant part of mid/late game analysis. It also deters discussion when a majority of people head in that direction.

I've gone with the "No Lynch" at least once in a game before and I regretted doing so in the coming days for the reasons I've listed this game. I'm pretty sure I'll be registering a vote every day, with the possible (very improbable) exception of an end-game scenario.

One of the reasons that I am in favor of No Lynch right now is because we have no solid information to work with and, in a game like this, where everyone has roles, information is more likely easier to come by if we all don't start killing off each other blindly.

I do understand the need to establish voting patterns and pressure, if we didn't stand to lose more than we were to gain if we did have a run-off vote. In a regular WW game, we do. With this game, however, With everyone having roles and abilities, we stand more to gain by going for a No Lynch right now.

As it is, we may be buying some much needed time for our seers or whoever else has powers that can help.

Then again, if reliable information does show up, I will probably move my vote to act on it.

[Neon_Chaos]

Why are my posts not adding!?!?!

Did someone turn off the post count on Werewolf games!?!?!?

[Neon_Chaos]

:)

[Thomkal]

Thomkal, for what it is worth I think you are the best vote for today. It isn't from anything you've said, but more related to some of Passacaglia's posts earlier in the game. He seemed to be asking questions about why people made certain assumptions on Sylar/Company and I felt like he was trying to re-direct more than understand.

It has very little, if anything, to do with Pass vs Alan arguments.

I know that I can't ask you to explain Passacaglia's thought process before you entered the game, but unfortunately it is part of the track record in sizing you up in the game.

If you have thoughts on this, I would be interested in hearing them. I'll go drudge up posts to back this up if you think the impressions that I'm listing here are bogus.

Hoops I understand why people think Pass was suspicious. Again I just question that a wolf would put himself out like that, especially in a game where we had a no lynch on day 1, thus no voting patterns to use in our discussion today. He's a target for some simply because there's almost no other targets on what acquaints to a typical WW day 1 type situation. I think its time to put pressure on those who keep trying to make Pass's comments seem anything more than just a villager speculating.

[Thomkal]

One of the reasons that I am in favor of No Lynch right now is because we have no solid information to work with and, in a game like this, where everyone has roles, information is more likely easier to come by if we all don't start killing off each other blindly.

I do understand the need to establish voting patterns and pressure, if we didn't stand to lose more than we were to gain if we did have a run-off vote. In a regular WW game, we do. With this game, however, With everyone having roles and abilities, we stand more to gain by going for a No Lynch right now.

As it is, we may be buying some much needed time for our seers or whoever else has powers that can help.

Then again, if reliable information does show up, I will probably move my vote to act on it.

I have to disagree with you here Neon Chaos. I thought it was fine to have a no lynch on day 1, but we really need to get some voting patterns going. And who knows how much information will come out after the vote today? We simply can't afford another day like today with little or no information to work off on. And I say this with my name high on the block to be voted out.

[Barkeep49]

Couple of notes.

First, I deleted the whole weird hoops post thing. Can't have people padding their post counts like that. Actually, with board hiccups and duplicate posts I routinely clean that up.

Second, a reminder that there is to be no name calling. We can play intensely without drooping to that level.

~Barkeep49, YFWWM

[mauchow]

Despite not posting much, I've been following very closely. I don't have much more to add at this point so I don't believe I can say anything to sway anybody towards a certain plan. I really want to vote for somebody today.

I hate to vote anybody at this point but to be different than everybody else, I'm going to put a vote on someone.

My reasoning? None really. Just to get my vote out there on someone.

Vote Neon Chaos

[mauchow]

I'm working today through the deadline. I don't imagine having time to stop back in for the rest of the day. Hopefully I can, but no big deal if I don't. I'll catch up.

[Barkeep49]

We need to start consolidating around some candidates. At the moment only No Lynch and Thomkal have multiple votes. I am not thrilled about the prospect of voting Thomkal and am hoping that a second lynching candidate arises. Otherwise I will be casting my vote in Thomkal's direction.

[Lathum]

We need to start consolidating around some candidates. At the moment only No Lynch and Thomkal have multiple votes. I am not thrilled about the prospect of voting Thomkal and am hoping that a second lynching candidate arises. Otherwise I will be casting my vote in Thomkal's direction.

I was just thinking this, we are totaly all over the place today.

We need to start getting some questions answered.

Vote Thomkal

This is my vote for now. Last game I was killed early becasue it gave us the most information at the time. This is the same premiss. If Thomkal comes up good I think we can trust alan a bit more. Alan is an uber valuable villager but also has a talent to string people along as a wolf.

[Barkeep49]

You don't think it would be beyond alan to confront a fellow wolf early on?

[Thomkal]

I will reveal my name and power if that will help sway people to move their votes, but you likely won't want me to do that.

[Lathum]

You don't think it would be beyond alan to confront a fellow wolf early on?

if thomkal is a wolf then Alan may be, is there someting I wasn't clear about?

[Barkeep49]

if thomkal is a wolf then Alan may be, is there someting I wasn't clear about?
I see. So you think it's unlikely a wolf alan would defend himself that way? I'm just confused how lynching Thomkal tells us anything about alan.

[Lathum]

I see. So you think it's unlikely a wolf alan would defend himself that way? I'm just confused how lynching Thomkal tells us anything about alan.



Pass and AlanT were sparring day one. Thomkal took over for Pass. If they are wolves putting on an act, which you just said you wouldn't put past Alan, the only way we find out is by killing one of them.

If thomkal comes up clean obviously they weren't putting on an act. If he comes up wolf maybe they were putting on an act.

[The Jackal]

I was just thinking this, we are totaly all over the place today.

We need to start getting some questions answered.

Vote Thomkal

This is my vote for now. Last game I was killed early becasue it gave us the most information at the time. This is the same premiss. If Thomkal comes up good I think we can trust alan a bit more. Alan is an uber valuable villager but also has a talent to string people along as a wolf.

I like your line of thinking here. Somewhat surprised Render hasn't said anything, but we can deal with that later.

Unvote Render
Vote Thomkal

[The Jackal]

I was going to expand on the vote count someone posted earlier but the post #'s in my thread don't match up for some reason. That being said, I think it's 4 on Thomkal, and 3 on No Lynch at the moment.

[Thomkal]

can we get an updated voting tally soon please?

[Thomkal]

heh posted before I saw Jackal's post obviously.

[Neon_Chaos]

Here we go. It's currently thomkal ahead with 4 votes. The post numbers are different from the other counts maybe because of BK's modding.

thomkal - claphamsa (318), chief rum (434), lathum (474), jackal (480)
ardent - st.cronin (328)
claphamsa - nfg (457)
nfg - alan t (426)
greyroofoo - schmidty (443)
oliegirl - mr.wednesday (444)
No lynch - narcizo (445), neonchaos (447), ardent (452)
chief rum - thomkal (459)
neonchaos - mauboy (471)

[oliegirl]

Wow - a lot to get through...here are my thoughts...

1. I'm glad Alan didn't drop out, and I agree that the name calling needs to stop. It's one thing to say a theory is off base, but to start getting personal is just unnecessary. Yeah, it's an intense game, but we can all treat each other with respect...

2. I'm really concerned with those who are using information from the show as a way of forming theories/ideas. Heinz was very specific when he said that a role in the game would not necessarily correlate to the character on the show. He went so far as to say someone good on the show could be evil in the game and vice versa. I think that is the main reason we should not reveal roles at this point...those who follow the show (which I don't) would be very easily swayed by this and could get everyone way off track by saying "well this character is good/evil or has this power on the show, so I'm voting for them/not voting for them".

3. As for Mr. Wednesdays vote on me b/c I was quiet yesterday - I got some very bad, devastating news about my father yesterday, there is a thread in GD where I'm asking for prayers...I went into shut down mode and was not in a frame of mind to deal with anything yesterday, let alone a WW game. I'm here today, a bit shell shocked so I can't guarantee that I'm going to be overly vocal, but I will be staying in the game and will certainly contribute when I have something to say.

4. I think a no lynch vote today is a huge huge mistake. I voted no lynch yesterday but made it clear that I thought we needed to lynch someone today. Unfortunately, lynching villagers is a part of WW, it has to be considered collateral damage - as a villager, I hate to take the chance, but we have to be proactive, we can't just sit around and wait for the wolves to make their move.

Thats all for now...

[Neon_Chaos]

I think us No Lynch people are not going to get enough votes and there is a building sentiment towards lynching and forcing pressure on a couple of people.

If a majority of the people are set on considering lynching someone, and Thomkal is the most likely candidate for lynching over the No Lynch choice, perhaps we should make this race be between two or three people, and not a choice of Thomkal and No Lynch, which generates no pressure at all.

I will consider switching to lynching someone if this is indeed what the majority wants to do.

[SnDvls]

Vote Ardent

it just concerns me he says he has no night power and doesn't sit well with me.

[Schmidty]

Let's make this interesting then:

Unvote greyroofoo

Vote No Lynch

[hoopsguy]

I'm going to have a hard time participating this morning. But I'm definitely looking to see us move in the lynch direction. I agree that having an alternate candidate alongside Thomkal makes sense.

I'll return to my candidate from yesterday for the alternate candidate. No information learned about him (I'm not trying to be subtle/crafty or anything of the sort) overnight, just figure that since he was the leading vote getter behind "No Lynch" yesterday that there may be more to learn from him on a vote than others.


VOTE THE JACKAL

[nfg22]

I have nothing to add but I likely wont be around after the deadline untill midnight.

[hoopsguy]

Also, I was really hoping yesterday that Chief Rum or one of the late-night guys was going to have some meaningful information for us to act on - playing blind for two days in a row kinda sucks.

[Thomkal]

thanks Neon for the updated vote count, and the call to put pressure on someone else besides "No Lynch" where the wolves can all hide. I am still willing to reveal my name/power, but again would prefer not to.

[path12]

hoops: I think discussing which names are in the game would be useful but I don't know the show and thus couldn't contribute to the conversation.

Ditto about not knowing the show. But is there a way to discuss which names are in the game without coming out and saying what yours is?

[Thomkal]

Oh and Ollegirl I haven't read the GD post, but you are certainly in my thoughts today.

[st.cronin]

The voting has seemed very weird to me the last two days.

Just want to reiterate this, I haven't really understood any of the reasons for the votes yet.

[nfg22]

Lets get a two way race going. I kind of like Thomkal and think maybe Alan was overreacting. im going to go after Jackal so we can get him and Thom talking.


Unvote Claph

Vote Thomkal

[path12]

OK, here are my notes. Alan, if you have some others to plug in please do. Also, I think I posted this but did not write it down for my own notes - I'm a hero in game and hero on show. I have not commented on closeness of powers up to this point.

Alan - character was a good guy on show (83)
Lathum - power lines up with show (85)
Grey - power somewhat close to show (88)
Cronin - power doesn't match up with season one (103), nobody would guess power if given name (348)
NTN - hero, power matches closely to show (105)
Render - hero, worthless power (113)
BK - hero, power crammed into WW (114), revealing name would not give away power (123)
nfg - power pretty useless (168)
MrW - power reasonable extrapolation from show (179)
Chief - hero, similar power to show, only seen first few episodes (208)
DT - part of powers logical, part is a leap (266)
AE - doesn't have night power (270), role is passive of sorts, thinks there are others out there like him (287)
SnDvls - character name would not indicate powers (344)

hoops, I've deduced from wiki and other posts that my power is likely to match up pretty well with the show FWIW.

[nfg22]

oops. I wasnt thinking...

Unvote Thomkal

Vote The Jackal

[RendeR]

I usually try to be nice...Im sorry if I offended you. Yet, take a little heat man. Last game everyone killed me cause I talked alot, which I am again, but I didnt quit and hate it.

They voiced complaints at me for two days, yet I took it. Now I am back.

Just deal with it bro.

You can be confrontational without teh namecalling and insults that you used. As a player who went through a phase like that I can only ask you to stop and be much more civil in the future.

Seriously then. Is there any reason not to reveal your name? If nothing else it should clear you from being Sylar. (seems like a huge risk for him to guess an unused name at this stage). The reason I've been against name reveals is because it could reveal powers. If it really is impossible to deduce your power from your name I don't see much reason to hold onto it.

I can back this idea, if its not going to reveal your power, lets have a name.

That's a fairly bizarre comment to make. What did you expect to happen? A seer to come out and say "hey! X is a wolf". Of course you haven't seen a bunch of information coming out. That doesn't mean the information isn't there, providing a bit of help to some villagers. Shirley.

Again, I like how you think here. With every player having some sort of ability I really don't expect a ton of info to get divulged until perhaps day 4 or later. People need time to build up their data.

Which means that there's a 0% chance that they're a behind-the-scenes alignment, because no one is that stupid.

True enough, but realize just how cunning some of these guys can be and tehy could have used this very logic against us, Yes?

Why? WTF did he do. I'm baffled. He said Alan was being vague? Is that a bad thing now days? Man, this makes me miss Blade. There are different play styles. Not everyone is going to be hoops or Alan or CR. Name calling is obviously not good at all, but his intial comment that set Alan off was innocuous imo.

Quitting the game over it? Puhhllease. Maybe I'll quit if this is what WW has become.

NFG really was over the line for what was being said at the time, maybe he was in a bad mood, maybe he was just trying to push his buttons, I dunno, but reading his posts *I* was kinda pissed at him for being a dick, so its not just Alan seeing the problem here.


And I frankly did expect someone to have something to contribute if we all have powers and were using them on other people to gather information, protect ourselves, etc. I'm still catching up on my reading, so maybe someone did learn something in the late-night crowd, but I was surprised that there was zero information publicly shared on Day 2.

Color me stupified but I have to admit I'm really seeing Hoops' point here. For the first time since he screwed me over I actually get good vibes from you Hoopsy.

I just dropped jeheinz a note to say I won't drop out after all. Its not fair to him to bring drama into his game. I'm dropping my thoughts about certain things until after the game is over. No reason to bring more drama into his game.

Good deal Alan, glad you're sticking around.

Hoops I understand why people think Pass was suspicious. Again I just question that a wolf would put himself out like that, especially in a game where we had a no lynch on day 1, thus no voting patterns to use in our discussion today. He's a target for some simply because there's almost no other targets on what acquaints to a typical WW day 1 type situation. I think its time to put pressure on those who keep trying to make Pass's comments seem anything more than just a villager speculating.

If it was anyone but Pass here I might agree with you, but I've watched Pass play the helpful villager gambit a couple times now and he's VERY good at it. So I understand the suspicion completely and in some ways believe he might have tried it again. Unfortunately for YOU, you have to deal with that backlash.

Let's make this interesting then:

Unvote greyroofoo

Vote No Lynch

How does THIS make anything interesting? We needcompeting votes on Players, not on No lynch.


I'm gonna throw a vote down on someone I know is usually much more vocal and since I have nothing more to go on:


VOTE NEON CHAOS

[RendeR]

And to respond to whoever it was that mentioned me being quiet, this 1pm deadline is hard for me. I have to watch the kids in the morning and then I go to work at 2pm, so it falls at the worst possible time of day for me.

I usually post the most from work when I'm bored =)