Wolverine Studios Presents.....Draft Day Sports: Pro Football

[Antmeister]

Oh noes! Another football text sim on the market.

Announcing Draft Day Sports: Pro Football!

Wolverine Studios is proud to announce its newest addition to the Draft Day Sports line - Pro Football! We invite you to visit our website (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7820681&msgid=126872&act=1F5S&c=230123&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wolverinestudios.com) for more details on the game, to read our "Football Manifesto" and to discuss the new venture with our community. Gary Gorski, developer of Draft Day Sports: College Basketball, Draft Day Sports: Pro Basketball and Total Pro Golf 2 will serve as lead developer with Tim Plum taking on the role of Associate Developer for this exciting new title. No release date has been set for the game but it is in development so we invite you to take the opportunity to have your voice heard in our forums (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7820681&msgid=126872&act=1F5S&c=230123&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wolverinestudios.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php) to let us know what you want to see in a football game from Wolverine Studios!

[INDalltheway]

Wow! It'll be interesting to see how the draft turns out in this game. DDS: Pro basketball had a cool little draft that could be improved on for this title.

[damnMikeBrown]

This can only be a good thing!

[Antmeister]

I must admit that I am highly interested to see which direction this game goes. It amazes me how many sports games Gary is able to release in short time.

What is going to make this cool is to see two football text sims battle it out since it is going to mostly likely produce some innovative features we may have not even considered before.

Good luck with this Gary and thanks for putting another pro football text sim out there.

[JetsIn06]

Dang....I gotta say this is pretty exciting.

* 2D Display
* Play Editor (This scares me a little)
* In-game media presence

[TazFTW]

Wow.

[Northwood_DK]

great news

[Eaglesfan27]

I can't wait to see how this turns out.

[Bee]

Excellent news. I hope it's a huge success and a great game.

[wade moore]

Excellent news. I hope it's a huge success and a great game.

+1 - competition is good for the consumer.

[Flasch186]

bump to remember later so I can buy this in a heartbeat.

[Capital]

This is great news for the text sim market as I have bought quite a few of Gary's titles. But, in actuality, if Arlie is still in the game, that could be 3 text based pro football games in the market.

[Passacaglia]

bump to remember later so I can buy this in a heartbeat.

Most useless bump ever.

I'm pumped for this -- I was just thinking of getting DDS:CB, but this will be awesome, too.

[Eaglesfan27]

I love this quote from the website "This is going to be the game that bridges the gap that Front Page Sports Football fans have been waiting almost a decade for."

Big quote. I hope Gary and company deliver on that type of hype.

[QuikSand]

This is going to be the game that bridges the gap that Front Page Sports Football fans have been waiting almost a decade for. It won't have a NFL license - but it will be fully customizable as all of our games are. It won't have flashy 3D graphics - but it will have the 2D display that our games do. Most of all, it will be fun. It's going to be a football simulation that produces accurate stats (that's Tim's specialty) and really sucks you in with a beautiful interface (from the extremely talented Paul Yuan) and gives you deep, interesting game play complete with player personalities, realistic financial models and most importantly the ability to sit down, not be overwhelmed and have fun - just like in the good old days.

How 'bout that. I really hope this game delivers, that's a lofty goal.

[Subby]

GUYS A 2D REPLAY ENGINE WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO PROGRAM INTO A GAME!

[MizzouRah]

I love this quote from the website "This is going to be the game that bridges the gap that Front Page Sports Football fans have been waiting almost a decade for."

Big quote. I hope Gary and company deliver on that type of hype.

I heart Gary.

[Subby]

I guess I am kinda bummed because I thought the surprise announcement was going to be a new card game :(

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I love this quote from the website "This is going to be the game that bridges the gap that Front Page Sports Football fans have been waiting almost a decade for."

Big quote. I hope Gary and company deliver on that type of hype.

Certainly an interesting move to cite your competitor on the site. I suppose at some level, most of his customers are going to be FOF owners anyway, so he's likely not pointing out anything that his customers don't already know about.

[Flasch186]

Most useless bump ever.

I'm pumped for this -- I was just thinking of getting DDS:CB, but this will be awesome, too.

It puts the notation on the far right of my skin so I can sift through the garbage threads that are mock threads, drafts, IWS, console numbers, mmorpg and other garbage and only see what I've posted in. jerk.

[Eaglesfan27]

Certainly an interesting move to cite your competitor on the site. I suppose at some level, most of his customers are going to be FOF owners anyway, so he's likely not pointing out anything that his customers don't already know about.

He's citing the old Front Page Sports Football game, not FOF. If he pulls this off, it will be HUGE for a text sim.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

He's citing the old Front Page Sports Football game, not FOF. If he pulls this off, it will be HUGE for a text sim.

AHHHHHH, thanks. That's what I get for reading too fast. That would DEFINITELY be something to shoot for. I sunk a lot of time into that series.

[Anthony]

two words.


hu-uuuge

[Anthony]

how far away is the game from being released? i ask because i'm curious as to how this hype may "harm" or be detrimental to the game, as one theory states.

[Subby]

Hey as long as Tim Plum sticks to numbers and isn't allowed to interact with human customers, this could be super-promising!

[MJ4H]

Dang....I gotta say this is pretty exciting.

* 2D Display
* Play Editor (This scares me a little)
* In-game media presence

OH WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF

If this actually happens I will buy the game no matter what just to support the effort. Even if it sucks, guys, let's encourage this so that it can be improved (at least if this thrills you anywhere near as much as it does me).

Also COLLEGE GAME RIGHT NOW PLZ OMG

[JAG]

This is going to be the game that bridges the gap that Front Page Sports Football fans have been waiting almost a decade for. It won't have a NFL license - but it will be fully customizable

But wait, doesn't Maximum Football already have this niche taken care of?

It's going to be a football simulation that produces accurate stats

Oh, nevermind. Carry on.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

how far away is the game from being released? i ask because i'm curious as to how this hype may "harm" or be detrimental to the game, as one theory states.

Gary has relatively short development cycles and I'm sure he's already been working on this one for a few months. So I'd guess sooner rather than later if I was a betting man. Wouldn't shock me if this was ready by August in time for the upcoming season.

Here's his quote from an interview earlier this month at Gameshark........

"Totally new games take anywhere from six to twelve months (to develop) depending on the scope of the game."

http://www.gameshark.com/features/453/Indie-Chat-Gary-Gorski-of-Wolverine-Studios.htm

[Pumpy Tudors]

If this actually happens I will buy the game no matter what just to support the effort. Even if it sucks, guys, let's encourage this so that it can be improved (at least if this thrills you anywhere near as much as it does me).
so how many copies of maximum football did you buy

[Anthony]

cool. i can wait, just interested in seeing how announcing a potentially huge game early will affect perception, you know, to put one man's theory to the test.

but in any case its good to have another game on the market and wish the best for both Gary and Jim. i'm a loyal Solecismic customer but i'm also selfish and want it all.

[DaddyTorgo]

cool. based on Gary's past games I'll definately be taking a look at this one. TBH I haven't purchased either DDS:CB or DDS:PB yet, but that's mainly due to cash-flow issues rather than game-reasons. There's definately room for multiple pro-football games, and I'm especially excited to see what Gary can bring to the table as far as media-interaction and snazzing up the draft.

Thinking down the road - it might be cool to see a partnership of sorts...

[Gary Gorski]

ok well now that we've got your attention....

Like the manifesto says - when FBPro 99 got recalled it was like a punch in the gut to me - I waited day in and day out, I called every game store near my apartment in Ann Arbor every day to see if somehow one of them got copies early. I got it as soon as I could get my hands on it and the fallout from it was just devastating. I loved everything about that series and I had a blast running my league and it still runs today under the care of someone else. I miss that game - I miss that experience. That's what Tim and myself are looking to bring back to the market. I still play in the league - my football game of choice is FPS 98 right now but its a decade old now. I want something new so we're going to create it. Of course the game is going to be different - it wont have the 3D graphics but in a nod to XOR Challenge we'll have the 2D display like my basketball games have. It's not so much about recreating what Sierra did but building where I felt the series should have/could have gone in the simulation aspect of it. It's about tying in the things I've started to do in my recent games like the player personalities and the media stuff with just the simplicity of a great football game.

At the end of the day - I'm a FPS guy. That's not a knock on Jim, Arlie, David Winters...that's just my taste. So we're out to create a great football game - obviously one that we're setting high expectations for but the thing is Tim and myself are making this game because we want this football game. Yes I want the title to be successful and help further the growth of Wolverine Studios - no doubt about that - but in the end, Tim and myself just want a new, different kind of football sim and we're not going to call it a day on it until we get there.

I'm happy that some people here are excited for it - we'll do our very best to deliver another great football game to you and I'll be happy to have any discussions with you on this forum or ours about the game.

[Gary Gorski]

I'm especially excited to see what Gary can bring to the table as far as media-interaction and snazzing up the draft.

Well if you want an idea download the DDS:PB demo. It starts you off right at the draft so for football imagine that plus more stuff and there you go :)

[Gary Gorski]

how far away is the game from being released? i ask because i'm curious as to how this hype may "harm" or be detrimental to the game, as one theory states.

No official time frame yet - I don't even want to throw out a general one at this point. I've been spending some time updating the college game and also learning the newest version of VB. Now that I've got a good grasp on that I've started coding the game. We (Tim and myself) have spent part of the last two years developing the game "on paper" so its a matter of putting it into code (or modifying code from my other games). The announcement today was really just to let you know this is what we're working on and to invite everyone to come give us some ideas for what they think is missing out there right now. Like I said, I want to build the game around the community so as always, I'm very open to hearing what people would like to see in the game. Personally I prefer to announce what we're working on because I like to geed community feedback/ideas when we can actually do something about them in the design and I always liked to find out about a game that was coming out in the future and part of the fun as the gamer/customer was the anticipation for it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Well if you want an idea download the DDS:PB demo. It starts you off right at the draft so for football imagine that plus more stuff and there you go :)


played that demo to death. wanted to buy that or DDS:CB, but i'm in a bit of a "don't spend a penny extra" mode right now in life. felt guilty even buying the new Counting Crows CD yesterday for $15

[Flasch186]

you should.

[Passacaglia]

It puts the notation on the far right of my skin so I can sift through the garbage threads that are mock threads, drafts, IWS, console numbers, mmorpg and other garbage and only see what I've posted in. jerk.

I figured that's what you meant. The Draft Day Sports: Pro Football in the title isn't enough to get your attention? :)

[Anthony]

one thing i like about CM (and i don't really play that game that much these days) is when your team scored a goal the text would blink in big bold letters. perhaps you could implement something similar rather than just:

Eagles 24 yard line, 3rd and 2: QB Manning throws a 3 yard pass to WR Burress.
That was good for a 1st down
Eagles 21 yard line, 1st and 10: QB Manning throws a long pass to TE Shockey.
Touchdown.

that's so anti-climatic. give me some blinking lights and stuff. i like that about the play by play in CM.

[MJ4H]

so how many copies of maximum football did you buy


Zero. I didn't mean that level of sucks.

[Passacaglia]

The Play Editor excites me. I'd much rather have a play with the QB reading options between long, short, and medium passes, than a play with a pass that's already determined to be long, short, or medium before the ball is snapped.

[NoSkillz]

This is great news for the text sim market as I have bought quite a few of Gary's titles. But, in actuality, if Arlie is still in the game, that could be 3 text based pro football games in the market.

Four if VPI gets his game out too...

[albionmoonlight]

Like I said, I want to build the game around the community so as always, I'm very open to hearing what people would like to see in the game. Personally I prefer to announce what we're working on because I like to geed community feedback/ideas when we can actually do something about them in the design.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=64440

Well, along with many of you, I am still intrigued by the long-term struggle to find a set of "house rules" by which to play solo FOF and maintain a long term career that is:

challenging - I want to face true adversity and difficult decisions
interesting - I want to avoid complete tedium, and enjoy playing
rewarding - I want to feel like my decisions matter to the team's success

Quik's idea about action points in that thread is interesting. But I think that the more general concerns outlined in the three grail-points listed herein are more important.

[Flasch186]

I figured that's what you meant. The Draft Day Sports: Pro Football in the title isn't enough to get your attention? :)

not when it's 3 months from now ALTHOUGH I have to assume there will be a new thread at that time so you're probably right in that this particular thread will be worthless at that time. How do I remove the check ;)

[MikeVic]

one thing i like about CM (and i don't really play that game that much these days) is when your team scored a goal the text would blink in big bold letters. perhaps you could implement something similar rather than just:

Eagles 24 yard line, 3rd and 2: QB Manning throws a 3 yard pass to WR Burress.
That was good for a 1st down
Eagles 21 yard line, 1st and 10: QB Manning throws a long pass to TE Shockey.
Touchdown.

that's so anti-climatic. give me some blinking lights and stuff. i like that about the play by play in CM.


I forget which version I tried, but when someone scored, the little circles looked like they would run and celebrate. That was funny.

I'll be paying attention to this game as well.

[Anthony]

I forget which version I tried, but when someone scored, the little circles looked like they would run and celebrate. That was funny.

I'll be paying attention to this game as well.

HAHAHA, totally, i had the same version. tiny celebrating dots are awesome.

[dbd1963]

Will buy it the first day it's out.

[Ben E Lou]

As always, here's hoping this is the Holy Grail.

[Kodos]

Looks like there will be plenty of competition this fall. Good for us!

[Cringer]

Looks like there will be plenty of competition this fall. Good for us!

How many football text sims are coming out this fall? Right now I am guessing 1-2 at most.

[Coffee Warlord]

Let us beta test. :)

[wade moore]

It's not 100% clear from the info I've found - will this have MP?

[Gary Gorski]

Yes, definitely MP will be part of the game just as in our other games

[KWhit]

Very exciting news.

[Eaglesfan27]

How many football text sims are coming out this fall? Right now I am guessing 1-2 at most.

I'd say at least 2 is almost a certainty. I'm guessing there will be 4 coming out this upcoming football season, and I agree that the competition is good for us consumers.

[Cork]

This is tremendous news Gary!!!

-Cork

[Sweed]

This is very exciting news. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

[wade moore]

Yes, definitely MP will be part of the game just as in our other games
I have to admit that I didn't know the other DDS games were MP - my text sim interest is really specific to Football.

I'll have to check them out to see how it works - I know that it's not the case a big suggestion I would have is in-game FTP.

[Emiliano]

This is awesome news. I'm very, very intrigued by what a football game developed by Gary could be.

[Galaril]

I'd say at least 2 is almost a certainty. I'm guessing there will be 4 coming out this upcoming football season, and I agree that the competition is good for us consumers.

Not to be a jerk but where are you getting "2 is almost a certainty. I'm guessing there will be 4 coming out this upcoming football season" info? I am not very confident that Arlie's game is coming out this year let alone this football season and other than that? I wouldn't count on a new FOF or God forbid a new Maximum football.

[stevew]

Mogul, DDS, Arlie, FOF(maybe). Thats 4.

[Eaglesfan27]

I think from Gary's track record DDS is almost a definite for this year. I think Mogul is almost a definite for this year. I didn't say 2 good games this year ;)

As far as others that I think are a possibility and I'm guessing will come out this season: FOF, Arlie's game, and one other game.

[MikeVic]

Where are you guys getting a new FOF from? Wasn't one just released recently?

[Eaglesfan27]

No. The only recent release was a card game. The last football game is well over a year old.

[Kodos]

I think from Gary's track record DDS is almost a definite for this year. I think Mogul is almost a definite for this year. I didn't say 2 good games this year ;)

As far as others that I think are a possibility and I'm guessing will come out this season: FOF, Arlie's game, and one other game.

And VPI's game is being developed as well.
http://www.ebmsports.com/phpBB2/index.php

[Eaglesfan27]

And VPI's game is being developed as well.
http://www.ebmsports.com/phpBB2/index.php

I couldn't remember if that was public knowledge or not. That is the "other" game I was referring to in my quoted post.

[DaddyTorgo]

you should.

I know you weren't hating on Counting Crows. They're my boys.

[Dutch]

I couldn't remember if that was public knowledge or not. That is the "other" game I was referring to in my quoted post.

No worries, he announced it publicly here at FOFC. :)

[Pumpy Tudors]

No. The only recent release was a card game. The last football game is well over a year old.
And Maximum Football is just over a year old, so a new one of those may be coming out, too.

[Buccaneer]

Holy Grail? I'm just looking for a fun and immersive NFL game to play SP and MP.

Good luck. Please remember that you don't have to prescribe to the "Kitchen Sink" and "Show Everything Humanly Possible" theories.

[Coder]

Well.. I could do this the FOFC-way, and say I read this at Sportsdigs a year ago, or.. I could mention that you've written

Troy, MI March 26th, 2007

in the Press-release on the site ;-)

[Zelig]

http://static.flickr.com/7/6407805_55ebb06667.jpg

[Flasch186]

um, does this belong in the evil thread? wrong thread.

[Kodos]

No worries, he announced it publicly here at FOFC. :)

Whew! Scared me there for a second. :D

[jaygr]

This is exciting news as competition and choices are always great. Also, don't forget that the next version of Head Coach is coming out as well. I can hear your groans already, and I don't have high hopes myself... but it will be another option out there.

[Illinihopefull]

I am very excited for this game.. Competition is healthy for software programs. I love FOF series, since first version, but it does not hold my interest long in single player mode.. MP mode is a blast, and I am having lots of fun, but that is because of the league and the interaction of league members..

FOF is just boring in SP mode.. game engine is solid, but nothing to really grab you and hold you in...

[aran]

This is great news!

Remember: FOFC is a great beta tester pool. :)

[SteveMax58]

This is kickass news. I expect this will be huge for Gary & Wolverine as a whole. I was actually hoping the announcement would be this, but figured that would be wishful thinking. Great surprise I have to say.

I'm such a fan of the Wolverine B-Ball game presentation...and I really dont like pro basketball.

[Gary Gorski]

Thanks again everyone for your enthusiasm - I can say that I'm even more fired up today and was coding like mad because of the response here. I knew we would get a positive response on our own forum and we've already got 26 threads there about stuff (which has to be some kind of one day record for our site) but I was really looking forward to the response here.

I think I posted this on the Wolverine forum but if you're looking to "visualize" what the game is going to be like it's going to look and feel very much like the college and pro hoops games with obviously more taken from the pro game since its a pro football game. Things like the draft - alot of people want a rich draft presentation and just take a look at what we did in the pro game with the draft. If you don't have it, download the demo or just watch this video (http://wolverinestudios.com/downloads/DDSPB/ddspb_draft.wmv) we did of the draft in action. Then just think of the base we have to work from and the things we can do to expand that. I can tell you this - just as in the pro hoops game the draft will be getting MAJOR attention. For some teams the draft IS the biggest day of the year (as I know well living in Detroit) and I want it to be a huge event in the game, not something that is just the next thing on the task list to complete.

Anyhow thanks again for the awesome support today - knowing that people in this community are not only "willing to give it a shot" but are actually excited about what we could do to a football title really makes me proud and even more happy that we've decided to go ahead with it. There's definitely going to be some great football sims for the customers to pick from and I think we'll definitely have one worth playing.

[Gary Gorski]

This is great news!

Remember: FOFC is a great beta tester pool. :)

BTW I've seen people mentioning a few times here and at our site about beta testing - we're very likely to do the same pre-order/open beta test that we did for DDS:CB. In case you were not aware of what we did there we started taking pre-orders in our webstore when it was time to beta test the game. Anyone who pre-ordered got a discount and then got their license code right away. We posted the beta versions of the game to the public and as soon as you had your license code you could download it and start playing the betas. So in essence everyone had the chance to beta test if they wanted. A few people had no interest in testing (which is perfectly understandable) and just used the pre-order to save a couple of bucks which is cool with me. Some did a little testing and posted once or twice, some guys went all out and tested like crazy. It worked out well for everyone I think especially on our end because we ended up with a much bigger pool of testers and we didn't have to pick people (and by doing so not pick others).

[Abe Sargent]

No official time frame yet - I don't even want to throw out a general one at this point. I've been spending some time updating the college game and also learning the newest version of VB. Now that I've got a good grasp on that I've started coding the game. We (Tim and myself) have spent part of the last two years developing the game "on paper" so its a matter of putting it into code (or modifying code from my other games). The announcement today was really just to let you know this is what we're working on and to invite everyone to come give us some ideas for what they think is missing out there right now. Like I said, I want to build the game around the community so as always, I'm very open to hearing what people would like to see in the game. Personally I prefer to announce what we're working on because I like to geed community feedback/ideas when we can actually do something about them in the design and I always liked to find out about a game that was coming out in the future and part of the fun as the gamer/customer was the anticipation for it.


I know what's missing out there right now, and It's an old, old, old post of mine about how football games need players with traits, and then it gives about fifty examples of various traits from "Happy Feet" to "Drug Addict" to "Superstar" to "Chronic Injury" to "Laser Arm" and "Nose For the Ball."

That's what I think sports games are missing. Simple as that.

-Abe

[BradS]

YES!! Excited to hear this.

Gary would you be considering a college game also, draft classes? I know it's too early but I can dream can't I. :)

[Raiders Army]

What great news! Didn't visit FOFC yesterday, so I'm late to the party. This is a definite buy for me.

[Gary Gorski]

YES!! Excited to hear this.

Gary would you be considering a college game also, draft classes? I know it's too early but I can dream can't I. :)

Yes of course - I've gotten tons of good feedback on DDS: College Basketball - many people love how the recruiting works in it and the addition of the player/team relationships this year really took the game to a new level. Once we've got a pro football game in the books it would make sense to take the "college" stuff from DDS: College Basketball and mix it with the "pro" stuff from DDS: Pro Football.

As for draft classes in DDS: Pro Football I only know of two college sims out there right now - TCY and BBCF. I don't have either and haven't played either so I don't know if there is an exported rookie file and if there is whether or not the data in it is easily available. If so I would have no objections whatsoever about allowing you to import draft classes from those games.

[miked]

I think this game is going to suck.

[miked]

Just kidding.

[Subby]

I know what's missing out there right now, and It's an old, old, old post of mine about how football games need players with traits, and then it gives about fifty examples of various traits from "Happy Feet" to "Drug Addict" to "Superstar" to "Chronic Injury" to "Laser Arm" and "Nose For the Ball."
Wow those sounds are completely terrible ideas. Thankfully this isn't the OOTP forum and every dumbass idea that gets thrown out there won't make it into the game.

Nothing personal, of course.

[Anthony]

that would be madness if you could take draft files from other games and use them in yours. that would be psychotically insane and i like this idea.

[Anthony]

if i were Jim i'd quickly write code to make it so that if his TCY files were used in another game it would make the other game crash or make his file turn into a virus and result in your PC exploding.

you know, a little corporate sabotage. if i were him i'd also grow a villainous moustache and twirl it as i wrote the code. that's just me.

[Gary Gorski]

that would be madness if you could take draft files from other games and use them in yours. that would be psychotically insane and i like this idea.

Do the college games out there have rookie export files? I honestly don't know because like I said, I've never played them. I would never go and ask the developers of those games to make it happen but if they already exist I'll see what I can do about letting people use them with our game - at least until some day down the line when we make a college game to go with the pro game :)

[Gary Gorski]

if i were Jim i'd quickly write code to make it so that if his TCY files were used in another game it would make the other game crash or make his file turn into a virus and result in your PC exploding.

you know, a little corporate sabotage. if i were him i'd also grow a villainous moustache and twirl it as i wrote the code. that's just me.

Nah, Jim would only do that if my company were called Buckeye Studios :D

[st.cronin]

Do the college games out there have rookie export files? I honestly don't know because like I said, I've never played them. I would never go and ask the developers of those games to make it happen but if they already exist I'll see what I can do about letting people use them with our game - at least until some day down the line when we make a college game to go with the pro game :)

TCY exports draft classes for FOF. There is a utility floating around for converting BBCF draft classes to FOF data, so that might be possible also.

[Gary Gorski]

TCY exports draft classes for FOF. There is a utility floating around for converting BBCF draft classes to FOF data, so that might be possible also.

ok so if something like this already exists for BBCF draft classes then I would think it would be possible to use that for the same purpose with our game.

[st.cronin]

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=48780

[Subby]

Just don't make it so you can import/convert OOTP data into the game. Unless you want to see Markus become enraged.

Or was it engorged? Either way...don't do it. He was very very angry the last time it happened.

I'm sure Jim and Arlie wouldn't mind, though.

[bryce]

Add me to the excited crowd. This blip from the announcement on the website made me laugh: "I don't know why I chose the Cowboys but I still remember my favorite money passing play that I created to this day: Darryl "Moose" Johnston on a little curl right from the backfield to the middle of the field."

That was my money play as well, and I also played as Dallas. I believe it was play 12-2 of the 64-play view mode?...

[Gary Gorski]

Thanks for the link - as we get closer to the beta if flounder or anyone else wants to write a utility like that I'll offer any help I can on my end to make it work with our game but that's as far as I'll go with it. Like I said, I'm not going to go and ask Jim or Arlie for code or to write a file that exports to my game :) If someone can do it with the info available I'll help them on our end but if not the game will just play with generated rookies until we make a college game of our own.

[Gary Gorski]

Add me to the excited crowd. This blip from the announcement on the website made me laugh: "I don't know why I chose the Cowboys but I still remember my favorite money passing play that I created to this day: Darryl "Moose" Johnston on a little curl right from the backfield to the middle of the field."

That was my money play as well, and I also played as Dallas. I believe it was play 12-2 of the 64-play view mode?...

I may fire up FPS to check it out - I know I created a custom version of the play based on one of the stock plays. Its astounding that you still remember the number combo of the play after all this time. Shows what an amazing game FPSFB really was.

[Emiliano]

we're very likely to do the same pre-order/open beta test that we did for DDS:CB.

Great decision, Gary.

[3ric]

Wolverine studios really need to provide a link to get past that Flash intro for non-Flash users.

[Ben E Lou]

Wolverine studios really need to provide a link to get past that Flash intro for non-Flash users....and an entry page that doesn't have sound turned on as default.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Wolverine studios really need to provide a link to get past that Flash intro for non-Flash users.

Agreed. The regular front page would work just fine. The thing I think of when I see Flash-based entry pages is EA Sports. Needless to say, that doesn't provide a favorable impression. I don't need a flash page for a text-based game. If I want pretty graphics, I'll buy Madden '09.

[Toddzilla]

Wolverine studios really need to provide a link to get past that Flash intro for non-Flash users.
...and an entry page that doesn't have sound turned on as default.
Agreed. The regular front page would work just fine. The thing I think of when I see Flash-based entry pages is EA Sports. Needless to say, that doesn't provide a favorable impression. I don't need a flash page for a text-based game. If I want pretty graphics, I'll buy Madden '09.I demand the front page produce freshly baked cookies as well.

[astrosfan64]

Maybe you guys would be happy if their front page was a spreadsheet?

[Bee]

Maybe you guys would be happy if their front page was a spreadsheet?

Sure as hell would make it easier to surf at work.

[Buccaneer]

The purpose of any web page, as had been since the beginning, is to provide content. But unfortunately, many site's contents are buried under or among layers of needless gimmicks. Such content can be made to look great (instead of looking like someone read the first chapter of HTML for Dummies) but it is important to be able to get to the content as easily and undistractedly as possible (e.g., Sportsline >>> ESPN).

[Schmidty]

I just noticed this thread. Very exciting news.

I've never purchased any of the new DDS products because, although they seem excellent, they're overpriced, IMO. If they were $25 bucks or so, I'd buy them, but I can't justify $35. I feel the same way about FOF2007, and unfortunately, I missed the discount day(s).

I might actually buy this one though, especially if the demo and feedback are good, because I really like Gary's interfaces (like Arlie's). That makes the game MUCH more enjoyable for me than something like FOF (the proverbial rusty Yugo with a Ferrari engine).

[Buccaneer]

Schmidty, my friend, you are a cheap bastard. Next time you don't want to buy a game because you feel $35 is way more expensive than $25, let me know, I'll paypal you the $10.

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, my friend, you are a cheap bastard. Next time you don't want to buy a game because you feel $35 is way more expensive than $25, let me know, I'll paypal you the $10.

Send it to me. I'm not proud. I'm just cheap.

I guess I listen to Clark Howard too much.

[Danny]

If you want to skip the flash page, you can bookmark http://www.wolverinestudios.com/index.php instead. I think the site does a good job of displaying information and the flash is there more to attract people who are unfamiliar with the company and games

[flounder]

Thanks for the link - as we get closer to the beta if flounder or anyone else wants to write a utility like that I'll offer any help I can on my end to make it work with our game but that's as far as I'll go with it. Like I said, I'm not going to go and ask Jim or Arlie for code or to write a file that exports to my game :) If someone can do it with the info available I'll help them on our end but if not the game will just play with generated rookies until we make a college game of our own.

BBCF has an HTML player card export utility. All my program does is to read these html files and convert BBCF ratings to the FOF ratings needed for the draft file. I don't know if you would want your program to read these files or rely on a utility like mine, but either way the difficulty is going to be getting good statistics on the BBCF players. It takes about 15 minutes on my computer to generate player cards for the whole BBCF universe. Making 20 draft classes for FOF took me about 2 days.

[Lorena]

Send it to me. I'm not proud. I'm just cheap.

I guess I listen to Clark Howard too much.

So do you have a 1 year old disposable razor too?

[Cringer]

Send it to me. I'm not proud. I'm just cheap.

I guess I listen to Clark Howard too much.

I understand. I can justify $25 much more then $35, to myself. I just have a hard time paying too much for a game. That is why I only have two 360 games over the two years I have had it, and one of those was free.

[JetsIn06]

There should just be a skip intro button on the site. The flash is cool for people who are just discovering it, but to me it's now unbearable sitting through the whole thing.

Skip intro will work wonders.

[spleen1015]

There should just be a skip intro button on the site. The flash is cool for people who are just discovering it, but to me it's now unbearable sitting through the whole thing.

Skip intro will work wonders.

There is a menu of options at the bottom...

[Anthony]

uhhhh...all you have to do is select the "Wolverine Studios" link on the bottom of the page to go to the home page.


how long have you people been using the internet?

[Apathetic Lurker]

OH WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF

If this actually happens I will buy the game no matter what just to support the effort. Even if it sucks, guys, let's encourage this so that it can be improved (at least if this thrills you anywhere near as much as it does me).

Also COLLEGE GAME RIGHT NOW PLZ OMG


so....you must have like 10 or so copies of MF based on the above...

edit: never mind pumpy beat me to it

[MJ4H]

so....you must have like 10 or so copies of MF based on the above...

edit: never mind pumpy beat me to it

AND I responded to it.

[JetsIn06]

Doh.

Didn't see those. :o

[JimboJ]

Gary- great new!!

If I could give you just one piece of advice... above all things, please please please please please please please just make the AI smart. That goes for in game coaching as well as GM. If your resources are limited, and its a choice between adding more features and making the AI smarter, please choose the latter. I would rather the game have 4 features that work correctly than 100 that are done half-assed.

Sorry for the rant, but I am just so sick of developers saying "But programming AI is difficult....."

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Doh.

Didn't see those. :o

Yeah, that's part of the problem. If there was a link a bit further up the page, people would know that the option was available to jump forward. With it being at the bottom of the page, people often don't know it's there, especially those who don't always maximize their web browser window.

[Subby]

If you want to skip the flash page, you can bookmark http://www.wolverinestudios.com/index.php instead. I think the site does a good job of displaying information and the flash is there more to attract people who are unfamiliar with the company and games
Ha. If that stupid flash intro is responsible for selling even ONE GAME I'll make solecismic.com my home page for the next month.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm amazed that this thread has devolved into a critique of the wolverine studios homepage already...wait...no i'm not. this is FOFC after all.

seriously...you realize in the time you spent coming here to post and gripe about this you could have already watched the flash intro and been through to the site? in the grand scheme of things compared to say...famine in Africa or STD's, or teenage pregnancy, or the number of people in America living below the poverty line, it's pretty minor, hmm?

do people really get THAT riled up about this stuff? or is it just a case of the internet being an "instant gratification" and consequence-free, no-forethought-needed type medium that makes people go off on things that really don't matter?*

If you had to sit down and write a letter to Gary and tell him that you were displeased with the flash intro, what % of you are actually so bothered by it that you would take that effort?

*and yes, I realize my diatribe could be seen to be in this light. I'm fully aware of the irony.

[Anthony]

that's why i always say if you had to pay to post on the internet, this would be a whole 'nother ballgame. it's free to post and costs nothing to share opinions, so people do it where they otherwise wouldn't.

just hit the link on the bottom and skip it if you want. it's internet 101 that there's a link *somewhere* on the page to go straight to the homepage, "skip" button or not.

all this nonsense bickering does is validate one man's opinion that a minimalistic approach to things - to websites to game interfaces - is the best approach. and it's not.

[Pumpy Tudors]

cowboy up

[BigDawg]

AWSOME !!!

I ready to send my money today. From a guy who use to have a part time job playing FBPRO I waited a looooong time for something that was even close to it. I use to spend hell 2-3 hours a day in the play editor so this is great news for me.

I even plan to start a league of only former fbpro guys...LOL

[wade moore]

Ha. If that stupid flash intro is responsible for selling even ONE GAME I'll make solecismic.com my home page for the next month.

I'd load up solecismic.com then.

If "responsible" means they keep going through the site because they see that and eventually buy it, I'd be shocked if at least one person doesn't fit that bill.

In addition I'd be willing to bet that more people are turned off by the Solecismic page and end up NOT buying the product because of it than they are by this flash animation.

[astrosfan64]

I'd load up solecismic.com then.

If "responsible" means they keep going through the site because they see that and eventually buy it, I'd be shocked if at least one person doesn't fit that bill.

In addition I'd be willing to bet that more people are turned off by the Solecismic page and end up NOT buying the product because of it than they are by this flash animation.

You are 100% correct. I have friends that i've tried to get into FOF, but look at the site and say no thanks.

[Subby]

I'd load up solecismic.com then.

If "responsible" means they keep going through the site because they see that and eventually buy it, I'd be shocked if at least one person doesn't fit that bill.

In addition I'd be willing to bet that more people are turned off by the Solecismic page and end up NOT buying the product because of it than they are by this flash animation.
No fucking chance someone has bought the game based on anything related to that flash page which a) sucks and b) takes forever to load.

That intro page is the flash equivalent of the solecismic.com home page. :D

[wade moore]

No fucking chance someone has bought the game based on anything related to that flash page. Which a) sucks and b) takes forever to load.

That intro page is the flash equivalent of the solecismic.com home page. :D*shurg*... some of us don't have the caviar standards that you have ;)...

I think it's fine and nice and I can see it being the difference between some people clicking through or just moving on to another site.

[Subby]

Have you read this thread? Numerous posters have agreed that it sucks. People want to get to the information...why make them wait?

Especially for...that.

[astrosfan64]

Yep, these are the same people who think a spreadsheet is the best way to play a game.

[Ben E Lou]

Not to mention the whole "I clicked on that link at work and cheers and whistles started coming out of my computer" thing.

The "skip" and "sound off" links need to be at the top. Period.

[wade moore]

Have you read this thread? Numerous posters have agreed that it sucks. People want to get to the information...why make them wait?

Especially for...that.

Most of the people that hate it are the ones that would prefer that it be a spreadsheet when the go to the page.


There are a chunk of people around here that lash out at anything involving graphics that take away from data being on the screen. However, that does not fit (imo) the majority of the potential customer base. I think it's a smart move by Wolverine to try and spruce up the site to make it fit with modern standards on the web/in games.

Maybe you can nitpick on the exact flash animation, but it's fine to me.

[Subby]

Maybe you can nitpick on the exact flash animation, but it's fine to me.
I'm not nitpicking. It actually sucks.

Making me wait to get information about your game is annoying. Why do that?

I love graphics - I am the anti-skydog in that respect. As long as they serve a useful purpose.

[wade moore]

I'm not nitpicking. It actually sucks.

Making me wait to get information about your game is annoying. Why do that?

I love graphics - I am the anti-skydog in that respect. As long as they serve a useful purpose.
FWIW I do think there should be a "Skip Intro" button. That seems to be the easy solution to me and pretty standard with Flash pages.

[st.cronin]

I think that's a bad page, too. When I get flash, I don't look for a button, I usually just browse away as fast as possible.

[Ben E Lou]

I love graphics - I am the anti-skydog in that respect. As long as they serve a useful purpose.When have I ever said I don't like graphics? I don't like extra clicks and I don't like superfluous sound. I have no problem with graphics.

[Anthony]

I'm not nitpicking. It actually sucks.

Making me wait to get information about your game is annoying. Why do that?

I love graphics - I am the anti-skydog in that respect. As long as they serve a useful purpose.

i don't like wade moore, i damn you to a life of scrotum punches for making me agree with him.


the flash animation (oh jeezus why are we talking about this when an awesome game has been announced??? :mad: ) in and of itself isn't going to sell any games. what it's gonna do is show that this company can make a game that involves more than just a spreadsheet looking interface, that it's on top of basic website design unlike other sites that still think it's 1995. one approach is to go the minimalist route and say "we don't need any bells and whistles, we're confident once you try the game you'll love it". if everything took that approach, the movie 300 would consist of a bunch of greek guys throwing spears at some persians. the end. people want to be entertained. they want presentation.

[Subby]

When have I ever said I don't like graphics? I don't like extra clicks and I don't like superfluous sound. I have no problem with graphics.

SkyDog (1:20:25 PM): MAN I FUCKING HATE GRAPHICS
Chris Shue (1:20:49 PM): what say you?
Chris Shue (1:20:56 PM): what's wrong with graphics?
SkyDog (1:20:59 PM): THEY MAKE ME ANGRY!!!!1
Chris Shue (1:21:12 PM): Calm down. Sometimes they serve a functional useful purpose.
SkyDog (1:21:26 PM): WHERE IS MY FUCKING INFLATABLE DOLPHIN???!
Chris Shue (1:21:40 PM): ummmm...
SkyDog (1:21:40 PM): I am wearing patriotic undies!!!
Chris Shue (1:21:48 PM): ummmm...
SkyDog (1:21:51 PM): DIE GRAPHICS DIE
Chris Shue puts on wizard hat and robe
SkyDog has left chat

[Ben E Lou]

SkyDog (1:20:25 PM): MAN I FUCKING HATE GRAPHICS
Chris Shue (1:20:49 PM): what say you?
Chris Shue (1:20:56 PM): what's wrong with graphics?
SkyDog (1:20:59 PM): THEY MAKE ME ANGRY!!!!1
Chris Shue (1:21:12 PM): Calm down. Sometimes they serve a functional useful purpose.
SkyDog (1:21:26 PM): WHERE IS MY FUCKING INFLATABLE DOLPHIN???!
Chris Shue (1:21:40 PM): ummmm...
SkyDog (1:21:40 PM): I am wearing patriotic undies!!!
Chris Shue (1:21:48 PM): ummmm...
SkyDog (1:21:51 PM): DIE GRAPHICS DIE
Chris Shue puts on wizard hat and robe
SkyDog has left chat

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Bee]

I think that's a bad page, too. When I get flash, I don't look for a button, I usually just browse away as fast as possible.


Same here.

As far as the subby/wade discussion...I'd expect he loses more sales than he gains using the flash page.

[astrosfan64]

I'm not nitpicking. It actually sucks.

Making me wait to get information about your game is annoying. Why do that?

I love graphics - I am the anti-skydog in that respect. As long as they serve a useful purpose.

I just realized something. I agree with subby. I do think the flash is pretty bad by today's standards. But, with that being said I think it is better to have a site that is at least attempting to be modern, instead of a frame based spredsheet.

With that being said, there should be a skip intro button and a mute button.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I was not particularly happy with the intro on the Wolverine Studios page, and I hope that it is redesigned so that there's a "skip intro" button on it.

[wade moore]

Oh - and I am on board with the sound thing. I don't think any pages should default to sound on. However, I didn't even notice because I have sound muted altogether on my work machine.

[Bee]

wade,

Hell Atlantic is agreeing with you. What more evidence do you need? Just admit you're wrong.

;)

[Antmeister]

Same here.

As far as the subby/wade discussion...I'd expect he loses more sales than he gains using the flash page.


I like the flash. I just happen to think it is placed in the wrong spot. Subby makes a great point of getting to the content faster. A number of new users may be going to the site for other games.

That flash animation might be better suited as the header of the main page to let consumers know that it is coming soon. That way, the users can still get to their content and choose to ignore it if they had already seen it. And as far as sound, yeah, there needs to be an option to turn it off.

Other than that, I don't think someone loses sales because of a flash intro or even the minimalistic approach. People lose sales if it is difficult to figure out how to purchase the game, but if the game is kick-ass and you have to spend an extra few clicks to get there, I think people will sacrifice those extra clicks to get to the game.

[wade moore]

wade,

Hell Atlantic is agreeing with you. What more evidence do you need? Just admit you're wrong.

;)
This is a pretty compelling argument...

[Anthony]

I like the flash. I just happen to think it is placed in the wrong spot. Subby makes a great point of getting to the content faster. A number of new users may be going to the site for other games.

That flash animation might be better suited as the header of the main page to let consumers know that it is coming soon. That way, the users can still get to their content and choose to ignore it if they had already seen it. And as far as sound, yeah, there needs to be an option to turn it off.

Other than that, I don't think someone loses sales because of a flash intro or even the minimalistic approach. People lose sales if it is difficult to figure out how to purchase the game, but if the game is kick-ass and you have to spend an extra few clicks to get there, I think people will sacrifice those extra clicks to get to the game.



'tis true. instead of a dedicated intro page, he should just make it a banner at the top of his page like some of the ads we get here at FOFC. to be honest banners have come a long way and some of the animations being done these days are worthy of a momentary glance. it'd be incorporated into website better.

[MJ4H]

SkyDog (1:20:25 PM): MAN I FUCKING HATE GRAPHICS
Chris Shue (1:20:49 PM): what say you?
Chris Shue (1:20:56 PM): what's wrong with graphics?
SkyDog (1:20:59 PM): THEY MAKE ME ANGRY!!!!1
Chris Shue (1:21:12 PM): Calm down. Sometimes they serve a functional useful purpose.
SkyDog (1:21:26 PM): WHERE IS MY FUCKING INFLATABLE DOLPHIN???!
Chris Shue (1:21:40 PM): ummmm...
SkyDog (1:21:40 PM): I am wearing patriotic undies!!!
Chris Shue (1:21:48 PM): ummmm...
SkyDog (1:21:51 PM): DIE GRAPHICS DIE
Chris Shue puts on wizard hat and robe
SkyDog has left chat

winner winner chicken dinner

[MJ4H]

DOLA

no offense skydog

[MJ4H]

DOUBLE DOLA

i mean about the chicken

[Anthony]

if SD was a balla he'd have replied "that's obviously a farce, everyone knows i don't wear pants/underwear when at home".

i'm sure Gary is loving this. amidst announcement of an exciting new game, talk has devolved into whether or not his site should incorporate a flash intro page and naked black men who are graphics-adverse.

titilating!

[Gary Gorski]

Main Page (http://wolverinestudios.com/index.php?page=home)
DDS:PF Manifesto Page (http://wolverinestudios.com/news.php?id=55)
Forums (http://www.wolverinestudios.com/forum/)

There you go - direct links to all the information available about the game - that is if you're interested in a game. Now you don't have to visit a flash webpage anymore if you don't want to. Feel free to even use the bookmark feature of your web browser to save those direct pages so you can access them from any website you are browsing. That way you don't even need to waste time typing!!!111!1!

For those of you who hate the flash that much I don't know what to say. I like modern things. I like showing that we may not have 3D graphics capabilities but at least we're willing to try and make things look interesting. Don't worry, its only temporary - we've got more announcements to make coming up and when we do (or actually have some more content regarding the game we're making) it will be replaced by that.

In the meantime feel free to go about complaining about a webpage we made. If you would like info or to discuss the GAME let me know or come post on our forums.

[Gary Gorski]

dola to say that I did read all of the comments and complaints in this thread regarding the page and as always all feedback, positive or negative, will be considered when doing future things with our website and games.

[Subby]

In the meantime feel free to go about complaining about a webpage we made.
Hey 2002 called. They want their Flash Intro page back.

[Anthony]

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/99/pics/99mmango1.jpg

No! You can't a have-a the Mango!

[Dutch]

SkyDog (1:20:25 PM): MAN I FUCKING HATE GRAPHICS
Chris Shue (1:20:49 PM): what say you?
Chris Shue (1:20:56 PM): what's wrong with graphics?
SkyDog (1:20:59 PM): THEY MAKE ME ANGRY!!!!1
Chris Shue (1:21:12 PM): Calm down. Sometimes they serve a functional useful purpose.
SkyDog (1:21:26 PM): WHERE IS MY FUCKING INFLATABLE DOLPHIN???!
Chris Shue (1:21:40 PM): ummmm...
SkyDog (1:21:40 PM): I am wearing patriotic undies!!!
Chris Shue (1:21:48 PM): ummmm...
SkyDog (1:21:51 PM): DIE GRAPHICS DIE
Chris Shue puts on wizard hat and robe
SkyDog has left chat

I almost spit diet coke all over my keyboard. Inflatable Dolphin FTW!

[Anthony]

Hey 2002 called. They want their Flash Intro page back.

people don't understand the problems and pressure's of having Flash intro pages come wit'.

[Dutch]

people don't understand the problems and pressure's of having Flash intro pages come wit'.

You don't have to actually watch it. Jesus stupid fucking people! :mad:



hehe... :)

[Subby]

http://www.flashdesignerzone.com/tutorials/t1027.gif


Launch Flash Designer and choose "Blank Animation". Choose "Frame" > "Frame Size" to set movie dimensions.
Choose "Movie" > "Edit Preloader"
Choose "Button Tool" and draw a button in the right bottom corner.
Double-click the button to rename it, enter" "Skip Button" and click OK.
Choose "Item" > "Action" > "OnClick", check "Get URL" and enter the URL of your home page (the page after the intro). The URL must be absolute (begin with http://)
Choose "Movie" > "Go to Main Movie" to quit preloader.

[Subby]

<blink>HERE 4 U</blink>

[MikeVic]

What's Selteco.

[VPI97]

stuff
http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2007/12/funny-pictures-bah-humbug-cat.jpg

[Subby]

What's Selteco.
THEY INVENTED FLASH INTRO PAGES, IDIOT.

[MikeVic]

THEY INVENTED FLASH INTRO PAGES, IDIOT.

The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!!

[Subby]

I GOING TO HIT THAT REAL FAST!

[MalcPow]

http://www.flashdesignerzone.com/tutorials/t1027.gif


Launch Flash Designer and choose "Blank Animation". Choose "Frame" > "Frame Size" to set movie dimensions.
Choose "Movie" > "Edit Preloader"
Choose "Button Tool" and draw a button in the right bottom corner.
Double-click the button to rename it, enter" "Skip Button" and click OK.
Choose "Item" > "Action" > "OnClick", check "Get URL" and enter the URL of your home page (the page after the intro). The URL must be absolute (begin with http://)
Choose "Movie" > "Go to Main Movie" to quit preloader.

Hi Subby. This looks like a spreadsheet.

[Subby]

Hi Subby. This looks like a spreadsheet.
I'll but five copies of the game if he makes that image the intro page for the next 6 months.

[aran]

Flash intros are so unprofessional and cheesy. You don't need flashy animations on your webpage if your products are worth buying. It's a lot like those stupid animated gifs from the 90s that people would plaster all over their pubescent websites.

And I think the main question one should ask when they consider putting a flash intro on a website is: "What does this intro tell my customers? Does it bring them closer to buying my product?"

The answer is almost always "nothing. no."

[Schmidty]

So do you have a 1 year old disposable razor too?

No. Disposable razors tear my face up.

I use a Quatro, and change blades once ever 6-8 months. Keeping them dry works like it does with the disposable one. Clark would be disappointed in me, but I can't help that my face is as sensitive as a baby's ass.

[Kodos]

I guess people around here react pretty poorly to flashers.

[RedKingGold]

I missed all the fun today fo sho

[Big Fo]

Worst thread derail ever. I'm excited about the game.

Yep, these are the same people who think a spreadsheet is the best way to play a game.

:D

[JetsIn06]

I actually didn't really dislike the flash intro, I just wish there was a skip button.

*shurg*

:)

[JetsIn06]

dola

and I'm excited for the game as well.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Main Page (http://wolverinestudios.com/index.php?page=home)
DDS:PF Manifesto Page (http://wolverinestudios.com/news.php?id=55)
Forums (http://www.wolverinestudios.com/forum/)

There you go - direct links to all the information available about the game - that is if you're interested in a game. Now you don't have to visit a flash webpage anymore if you don't want to. Feel free to even use the bookmark feature of your web browser to save those direct pages so you can access them from any website you are browsing. That way you don't even need to waste time typing!!!111!1!
Ugh.

[Buccaneer]

[beat dead horse]
The point is the content and Gary agrees - when there is more content, it will replace the gimmicks. And yes, the content pages have to be cool and great to look at and read, not like the amateuristic solecismic.com pages. When a text sim company shows they know how to do HTML/XML well (for example), then when can certainly be hopeful that in-game reports will look great too. Same thing for am easy navigable web site, that bodes well for a user-friendly in-game operation.
[/done]

[MizzouRah]

When is DDS: Hockey coming out? :)

[DaddyTorgo]

can we talk about the damn game again plz?

[Icy]

What about if we get back in topic here and forget about if flash is good or not for games sales? :)

You guys have a chance to help this game to be a great one. Gary is a guy that listen a lot to his customers as it has been proved in the past, use it to flood him with suggestions and football talk and we all will enjoy the results.

I'm so excited about this game, both as text sims customer and as new WS staff member. It seems i joined Wolverine at the perfect time, and while i'm not going to work directly on the football game, (Gary had enough future projects for me already) I'll do my best to transmit FOFC ideas and suggestions to the DDSPF development team while adding also my own. I'm a huge fan of Paul graphics in the other WS games and i'm sure he is going to do an incredible work in DDSPF too.

I trully believe on pretty text sims that are also deep. Having the resources to do it, as WS has, there is no need to make ugly games to make them appealing to the hardcore text sim fans. The problem is not if the graphics are pretty or ugly, but if the interface is easy to navigate and not a click fest.

FOFC has an "insider" now in WS, i hope it will help to make Wolverine games even more appealing here. :)

[DaddyTorgo]

getting back on topic - one thing I hope we see that I almost anticipate seeing is a great free agency mode: bringing players in for workouts, potentially tampering (?), contacting players and sounding them out about your chances with them, different variables going into a desire to sign somewhere (winning team, style of play, coach's record, teammates).

also, for the draft: what about generated college statistics, so we can compare players based on their statistics too? and the usual combine scores, and interviews/private workouts

those are just a couple quick early thoughts

[RedHawk00]

I watched the video of the basketball example draft and the movie caught my interest enough to download the demo and run through a DDS draft. I liked most of the experience, having the draft start and be timed added an interesting element to the game. limiting the time to make the pick/trade really adds to the gameplay.

suggestions based on basketball demo and experience with FOF:
- that phone should ring during the human players pick, teams wanting to move up, teams wanting "their" player on the board
- trading down should not be as easy as adding up the points and making the trade, the team moving up should really want a player available
- the bubble feature is nice when the guys are chatting, but a transcript might be nice so that you can skip to your pick, and read the thoughts and such about the previous picks in a quick manner
- the pre-draft workout feature was interesting and is a bit different in the NFL, perhaps a budget to attend pro days would be the right way to go there
- Mel Kiper's hair has to be perfect, or I will not buy this game!!!:D