Battlestar Galactica Season 4

[ISiddiqui]

Spoilers be here and all that and I don't care about waiting for West Coasties (so there!)

You have been warned...



Well, that was the Starbuck we know and love. Though pointing a gun at the President may not be the best way to convince her that you aren't crazy. I wonder what Lee's "government" job is. Baltar's somewhat selfless intentions leading to him being uber-prophet is not going to end well... not with a man with his ego.

It was somewhat fun seeing Tigh, Chief, Anders, and Prez's assistant (what's her name) making scared eyes at each other whenever anyone mentioned if Kara could have been a Cylon.

And I wonder why the President didn't notice that the captured Six didn't really answer her question if Starbuck was a Cylon.

[RendeR]

Loved the opening episode, it certainly opens up a lot of tangent-plotlines.

I admit that they got me with the snap-shot scene of Tigh shooting Adama, I almost came out of my chair I was so pissed off. Thank god it was a dream sequence type thing =)

Not sure I like the shift in Roslyn's personality, she's gone from captain conservative to queen bitch in the last 5-6 episodes.

Can't wait for next week!!!!

[Edward64]

I *hate* the Baltar story lines. I wish they would spend the time on other plots.

What are your theories on Starbuck?

[kcchief19]

Not to mention the scene between Starbuck and Anders when he said he would still love her if she were a Cylon and and she said if he were a Cylon she would put a bullet between his eyes.

Great episode. The Christ figure role for for Baltar is interesting. Love the previews for next week showing the other cylon models discovering the final five are in the fleet and discussing what to do. Still wondering exactly what prompted the Cylons to react the way they did when they scanned Anders and apparently realized he was a Cylon.

Still not convinced Starbuck is a Cylon. Obviously we're being led to believe that possibility, so normally if she is the payoff wouldn't be much. I'm still betting on Roslyn. However, I'm still annoyed at Tigh being a Cylon since based on what we previously learned, he certainly should be too old to be one of the 12.

[Crapshoot]

Look, the final Cylon has to be one of 3 people - Starbuck, Roslin, or Adama - it just doesn't make sense for it to be anyone else. It would be a let down.

[Coffee Warlord]

Great episode. The Christ figure role for for Baltar is interesting. Love the previews for next week showing the other cylon models discovering the final five are in the fleet and discussing what to do. Still wondering exactly what prompted the Cylons to react the way they did when they scanned Anders and apparently realized he was a Cylon.

If I recall, I think the Cylon shock troops are programmed to not harm one of the uber-Cylons.

[Barkeep49]

Spoiler about who fifth is not:

Ronald Moore has stated that it is not anyone found in this picture:
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/02/lastsupper.jpg

I was a bit disappointed with last season, but think this season is off to a promising start and also liked the previews for next week. I knew that Tigh hadn't actually shot Adama, but I also thought that Anders was having a delusion with the Heavy Raider. I'm still a little pissed about Tigh being in the Final Four because he is too old to be a cylon and he has aged.

[bosshogg23]

Ronald Moore has intentionally mislead the audience before about future story lines, particularly regarding Starbuck near the end of last season. I would take anything he says with a grain of salt.

[Barkeep49]

My favorite theory at the moment is the idea that they're all Cylons and that the humans are long dead and that this is a Civil War that keeps repeating itself over and over.

[RendeR]

My favorite theory at the moment is the idea that they're all Cylons and that the humans are long dead and that this is a Civil War that keeps repeating itself over and over.


That would almost be laughable, if i didn't know that Moore was sick and twisted enough to try it....

[Ironhead]

Don't forget it is on tonight!

[Eaglesfan27]

I've been long behind on the series because of Katrina messing up season 2 for me and then having to wait for DVD releases to catch up on season 2 and then season 3. Anyway, I just caught up with the first 2 episodes of season 4. Loved them. I think season 3 and the first 2 episodes of season 4 have really picked up the pace from the earlier episodes, although I agree that I could do without the Baltar storylines right now.

Anyway, I think Starbuck has to be a Cylon. The only alternative theory I could see is if somehow people on Earth are monitoring the progress of the fleet and they somehow cloned Starbuck and sent her back to help lead the fleet towards Earth, but if that is the case, why erase the ship's computer? Why give her such spotty memories? I think the Cylon theory make much sense. Even though that is the obvious answer, I think the emotional impact will be great particularly when Adama realizes that Saul and Starbuck are Cylons. If the Rosalind dies, with Lee's departure, those two revelations (along with a much lesser extent the relevation of Chief) would probably threaten to push him over the edge.

[Barkeep49]

I think it's interesting how the cylons have created their own cylons to rebel with the centurions.

[Eaglesfan27]

As far as the Cylon rebellions, I wonder if Boomer predicted that response when she agreed to lobotomize the raiders?

[ISiddiqui]

I think it's interesting how the cylons have created their own cylons to rebel with the centurions.

Yep, the cycle repeats itself. How soon before the Centurions rebel against the skinjobs?

I don't think Starbuck is the final Cylon. But I can easily see how characters in the show can look at her craziness (since the beginning) and think she may be. Then again, the Cylons are smart but would they make such a wacked out skinjob (make people think that she's just a bit too crazy to be a Cylon)?

Moore has, IIRC, said it isn't going to be a main character, so that makes it a bit more interesting

[Bonegavel]

I can't see how Starbuck is a cylon as it would just be too frackin' obvious. They made a big point to show all the weirdness - ship is new, missing time, etc.

And if the goal of the cylons was to kill the humans, with these guys in place (especially chief and the XO) they could have done it long ago. So I'm not sure what all the attacking has been about. Do they want to kill the humans or not?

Wouldn't they have known the presence of the 5 during all the other attacks?

I don't like knowing as much as we do about the cylons and their side of the story. It was much better when they were a complete mystery.

[kcchief19]

Taking Moore at face value -- which at times is difficult because he has retreated course on us before -- Baltar and Starbuck (or my choice of Roslin for that matter) can't be the final cylon because they are in The Last Supper-esque photo Moore has put out and it's suggested heavily that the last cylon is missing from the photo, not in the photo.

I have my belief on who is my next most likely choice. I keep looking for clues and all the ones I have identified hint at one person but I don't necessarily trust that instinct.

The rebellion within the Cylons was a nifty development. It certainly helps setup the stage for the Caprica, Boomer and Leoben models to unbox the D'Anna models and go to war with the other three. All of this has happened before and will happen again, eh?

Moore has done a nice job of taking the elementary mythology of the original series and expanding and adding to it. Clearly there are characters with "destinies" predicted by their religions -- Roslin, Starbuck and Baltar. It will be interesting to see if the show plays out to fulfill these prophecies.

I'm intrigued so far with the current Starbuck angle. For frans of the original series, we had the Beings of Light and Starbuck returned from an encounter with them in a similar shape as the reimagined Starbuck did -- Galactica thought Starbuck was dead and he returns in better shape than he left. Now all we need is for Count Iblis to show up!

And is just me, or is the Natalie version of Six that's leading the Sixes right now hotter than the bleached blonde versions? Tricia Helfer is hot, but get her with a more natural hair color and hubba hubba.

[Coop]

I've been saying that Gaeta is a cylon since I started watching the show so I'll stick with that. My second guess would be Dualla.

[SFL Cat]

I think the whole series will end with Dirk Benedict (the original Starbuck) waking up and saying..."Frak, I was a girl?!"

[Crapshoot]

I thought the Cylon civil war angle was awesome - I'm intrigued by it.

[TazFTW]

That was fraked up.

[Eaglesfan27]

That was fraked up.

Yes, it was. She was one of my favorite characters, and I wish she had kept it together and gone straight to security or the Admiral, although I can understand her reaction. As far as the Skinjobs, I wonder if that was some higher level programming directing her actions - she just got another hybrid baby that the Cylons value so much.

[ISiddiqui]

I thought the Cylon civil war angle was awesome - I'm intrigued by it.

Oh yeah... I wonder if any of the 6s survived in the end? That'd be interesting, to have the Cavils always get their way without dissent.

[Edward64]

Yes, it was. She was one of my favorite characters, and I wish she had kept it together and gone straight to security or the Admiral, although I can understand her reaction. As far as the Skinjobs, I wonder if that was some higher level programming directing her actions - she just got another hybrid baby that the Cylons value so much.


I missed the episode. Appreciate it if you could give me the highlights?

[Bad-example]

At this point, I am taking this show as unintentional camp. I thought last night's episode was hilarious. The show takes itself so frakkin' seriously I am finding humor in nearly every scene. I am glad that a lot of people love this show. I am even more glad that I have found my own way to enjoy it.

[Coffee Warlord]

That was fraked up.

And we never saw her naked. Boo.

[Eaglesfan27]

I missed the episode. Appreciate it if you could give me the highlights?

Main highlights:

Starbuck is alienating her crew on the ship as she continues to look for Earth while acting erratically. She fracked her husband again during one of her erratic outbursts.

Chief was meeting with the President's aide (whose name I'm forgetting) at a bar because he couldn't sleep and Callie saw it. The aide was touching Chief Tyrol on the arm and flirting with him, and Callie thought he was having an affair. Later in the episode, she found a message in Chief's belongings about a meeting. She thought it was an affair hookup, but it was a cylon meeting. She spied on the meeting and found out that Chief, the aide, and Saul were cylons. She freaked out and rather than telling anyone went to her quarters to get her baby. She then went to the airlock to commit suicide taking her baby with her. The aide talked her down, then grabbed the baby, and then gave her a vicious backhand knocking her back and dazing her. She then proceeded to flush her out the airlock. Presumably, she has plans for the baby.

Also, during the episode, the Cavils led the 6's baseship into a trap and blew up their baseship (or so it appeared.)

[ISiddiqui]

President's aide (whose name I'm forgetting)

Tori.

Also, during the episode, the Cavils led the 6's baseship into a trap and blew up their baseship (or so it appeared.)

Don't forget that not only the Cavils lead the 6s baseship into a trap, but right before the attack, the baseships jumped EXCEPT the resurrection ship. So when they destroyed the 6s baseships, it was a true death, because no res ships around to res the 6s.

[flounder]

Were all of the 6s on that one baseship? If so, that leaves the 6 on Galactica as the only remaining one of her line. That could get interesting.

[Eaglesfan27]

Tori.



Don't forget that not only the Cavils lead the 6s baseship into a trap, but right before the attack, the baseships jumped EXCEPT the resurrection ship. So when they destroyed the 6s baseships, it was a true death, because no res ships around to res the 6s.

Right - that is a big point. Also, we saw a hint at Boomer's possible motivation as she appears to be romantically involved with a Cavil. Unless, she is just pretending to be interested in him as part of some grander plot of hers. Also, the Centurion's were showing more resistance to the 6's commands and she had to use please to get it do to what she wanted at one point.

[Eaglesfan27]

Were all of the 6s on that one baseship? If so, that leaves the 6 on Galactica as the only remaining one of her line. That could get interesting.

I believe they were, but it wasn't clear.

[Barkeep49]

Remember it's not just the 6s. It's whatever model the Sharons are as well.

[ISiddiqui]

Remember it's not just the 6s. It's whatever model the Sharons are as well.

I thought that some of the Sharons were on other baseships as well... after all, no Sharons were in the room when the 6 ordered the Centurions to take out the Cavils.

[kcchief19]

Also, during the episode, the Cavils led the 6's baseship into a trap and blew up their baseship (or so it appeared.)
I'll have to go back and watch the ending again -- I think the "so it appeared" is the key. A resurrection ship could always jump in at the last minute and save the day or they manage to get the FTL drives up and moving.

Explosive developments to say the least. I was all prepared for Cally to take herself out the airlock and then when Tory talked her out of it I actually believed her. When Tory hit her I almost thought it was Cally who it her after the number she did on Tyrol.

Plot devices aside, it killed me a little bit to see how much firepower Starbuck got to take with her on the garbage ship -- she's got Helo, Athena, Gaeta (OK, nerd power), Hardball, at least four Vipers and I'm assuming a Raptor. Hope Galactica doesn't need Viper pilots anytime soon.

Assuming the Sixes and Eights survive and the Threes get unboxed, they are going to need help against the others. Any chance the Centurions and Natalie's group of Cylons decide to team up with Galactica against the other humanoid Cylons? There is an apparent "pro-human" faction of Cylons, or at least Cylons who believe the war against humanity was a mistake. Why not surrender and join up with Galactica?

[Eaglesfan27]

Yeah, that is why I put the disclaimer there. I think there are several possible outs such as the ones that you mention.

I also believed Tory and was annoyed when she hit Callie, in part because Callie has been one of my favorite characters.

I also agree with your point about how much manpower Starbuck got to take with her. When she went, I thought she was just getting herself and a barebones crew. I'm also disappointed that they gave her so many people, although I understand that it serves a point in the plot.

[ISiddiqui]

Well, it seems Adama gave her a barebones crew and then allowed volunteers and a bunch of folks (including Anders jumped on that... um.. in more ways than one ;))

[Coop]

I'm never watching another preview from SciFi again, they ruined the whoel episode.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm never watching another preview from SciFi again, they ruined the whoel episode.

Yeah, I never watch previews on there or anywhere else and hope they won't be discussed in this thread, at least without a spoiler tag.

[ISiddiqui]

I really liked this episode. The Baltar as Messiah plot is getting interesting. It seems that unlike everything else, where he's doing it for self-interest or power, this time, Baltar REALLY believes he's doing what is right. It began with him pleading with God to take him over the boy and this time when Head6 told him that a guy who brought God to the people would be a great man, Baltar said that it wasn't like that. Amazingly, Baltar actually seems to believe that he is doing what is proper and that is what is driving him.

Liked Mr. Adama being a thorn in the side of Roslin (let's be honest, she just wants to be a benevolent dictator) and not just fading away.

I found the scene in Tyrol's chambers between the advice Tigh and Tori were giving Chief... err, now Specialist, to be fascinating. It seems Tigh is saying it doesn't matter that I'm a Cylon, I choose to be human, while Tori wants to embrace her Cylon-ness. Tyrol is going to have to make a choice of which side he wants to be on.

[Eaglesfan27]

I still think Baltar is all about his self-interest, and I'm not convinced that he really believes what he is selling. I think he wants to believe, but I'm not sure that he does.

No doubt that Tori has fully embraced her Cylon nature and the contrast between her reaction to the information and Tigh's handling is one of the most interesting subplots in my mind right now.

[TazFTW]

I really want Tyrol to kill Tory for killing Callie but it looks like that won't happen. I think Lee is being setup to be the next President.

I'm not sure what roll Anders has but I'm leaning towards Starbuck finding Earth and then Anders sabotages the ship so that Galatica will never find it.

Not sure what to make of "showing" Six pick up Baltar. That's just too weird.

[Crapshoot]

I'm really enjoying this season - its dark, like Season 1, although the pseudo-religious stuff still annoys me. As for Lee Adama, I always think that he'd make a shitty leader - he's easily lead around to "principled" positions as opposed to pragmatic ones.

[ISiddiqui]

Well that's Lee's reason. He's the ideals and a bullwark against going too far down the road of Roslin benign fascism. True, he's doesn't believe in the pragamatic course, but the question of is humanity worth saving (ie, the redeeming values of humanity) is a good one that Roslin doesn't quite see.

And personally, I do think Baltar has finally "turned the corner" and is surprising himself with the fact that he actually wants to protect his followers and that he actually finds himself believing strongly in the Cylon God.

[Kodos]

Just caught up with the current season after my wife caught up on season 3 on DVD (she was late to join the BSG game). Interesting start to the season. Some real shocking developments. I have a theory that when they get to Earth, it will be in our past ... and that Baltar will be the founder of Christianity.

[ISiddiqui]

I have a theory that when they get to Earth, it will be in our past ... and that Baltar will be the founder of Christianity.

Wow... that'd be mega controversial :).

Though I don't think they'll be going in that direction. But imagine the discussion that'd unleash!

[Horizon]

I do not understand why there is not a murder invistigation going on with Callie's death? The bay door was unlocked from outside the bay in the controll center with the Chief's key? I don't think you would need Columbo to say it is murder here?

I may be an episode behind, but I was very confused when I watched the episode after Callie was murdered and know one was talking about how she was murdered or who murdered her?

[TazFTW]

I do not understand why there is not a murder invistigation going on with Callie's death? The bay door was unlocked from outside the bay in the controll center with the Chief's key? I don't think you would need Columbo to say it is murder here?

I may be an episode behind, but I was very confused when I watched the episode after Callie was murdered and know one was talking about how she was murdered or who murdered her?

I thought Callie went there to kill herself and the baby. If I remember correctly she was going to press a button before Tori interfered.

[ISiddiqui]

I'd imagine that Tori would have put Chief's key back inside the bay door lockbox after she did the deed to make it seem like Callie did it from inside (which is seemed like she was going to do in the first place).

[Bonegavel]

Just caught up with the current season after my wife caught up on season 3 on DVD (she was late to join the BSG game). Interesting start to the season. Some real shocking developments. I have a theory that when they get to Earth, it will be in our past ... and that Baltar will be the founder of Christianity.

How does Hendrix fit into that theory?

[ISiddiqui]

Hendrix is God... duh.

[Bonegavel]

Hendrix is God... duh.

nice

[Bonegavel]

To me, the watchtower firmly places this, at the very least, after 1967 which is the year Dylan wrote the song. Now, time-travel and other oogedy-boogedy shit aside (i will be pissed if they fall back on these), sound waves take some time to travel out amongst the stars so it is also safe to say that it is most likely modern times or later.

I am taking the "why are they wearing suits" and "why do they use our words" as simply budget and the fact that we need to relate. I think this came up after the boxing scene in another thread.

[Eaglesfan27]

I just watched last night's episode. Now, I believe that Baltar has really undergone a spiritual metamorphosis and believes what he is preaching. There was no personal gain in going to talk to Tyrol at the end, which was the final piece for me believing in Baltar's conversion.

Excellent episode last night.

[ISiddiqui]

Yep, yep... ever since Baltar started telling Mind6 that it wasn't for personal gain,pleading with God to take him instead of the boy, and asking his attackers to slit his throat, it seems Baltar has given up trying to do things for his own personal gain (well, aside from screwing Tory, but he's only human).

I think that for those who were saying, oh its just an act, he's still in it for his own gain, can't really say that about seeing Tyrol, and closing the door, so they were alone. He had to know that he could have easily been injured again.

[TazFTW]

Kissing your sixter...

Whats her name was apparently wearing a red shirt as she volunteered to go on an "away mission" with 2 known cylons, 1 undercover cylon, and a suspected cylon/the person least likely to get killed. She had chosen poorly.

[Thomkal]

hehe Taz That was my exact thought when I saw her join the mission. I knew she was gonna get killed right then

[kcchief19]

Kissing your sixter...
I must say ... death and painful overtones aside ... that was really hot.

Guess the alliance with Galactica was more predictable than I thought. Now we need the unboxing of D'Anna to get things rolling.

While I'm a roll predicting things, I might as well as go on record concurring with the notion that Gaeta is a Cylon. That's my best guess. I still think Baltar would be a major let down. I feel like Moore wants us to think it's Starbuck but I just don't buy it.

[Ironhead]

I must say ... death and painful overtones aside ... that was really hot.

Guess the alliance with Galactica was more predictable than I thought. Now we need the unboxing of D'Anna to get things rolling.

While I'm a roll predicting things, I might as well as go on record concurring with the notion that Gaeta is a Cylon. That's my best guess. I still think Baltar would be a major let down. I feel like Moore wants us to think it's Starbuck but I just don't buy it.


Gaeta as a Cylon makes a lot of sense. I immediatley recalled from the first season when Head6 told Baltar about the Cyclon device in the command center. That would have been pretty easy for Gaeta to place. I also thought about 3 and what she said in the opera house about "I'm so sorry, I didn't know." Didn't she have a lot of contact on New Caprica with Gaeta because he was Baltar's lackey?

[kcchief19]

The Cylon device in the CIC in the pilot had me thinking Gaeta was a Cylon from the very beginning and I thought he was going to be the Cylon outed in the miniseries. Hadn't thought about the tie-in on New Caprica. Makes me wonder if there is anyone else that line might apply to?

[Eaglesfan27]

I don't think those are spoilers as much as they are good memory and good reasoning. Anyway, I agree with the reasoning in those speculations. That is my most likely pick, although Starbuck is 2nd with Moore playing mindtricks and hiding her in plain site.

[ISiddiqui]

I also agree with the reasoning in the spoilers posted. Actually after Ron Moore's comment that:

The final Cylon is not in the "Last Supper" picture

--

The last episode was just awesome. Anders almost sticking his hand in the Cylon compu-water, The 6 showing that even though Cylons can resurrect the deaths leave emotional truma, the 6 suicide (leading to real death... "human justice"), the hybrid prophecy, and even Roslin starting to think Baltar isn't just some wackjob and starting to buy into some of his religion.

Just an awesome episode all around.

[Barkeep49]

Speculation isn't spoilering. If someone knew who the last cylon was and posted it now, that's a spoiler. Using evidence from the series to speculate is what is fun about being a fan. I will have to give this hypothesis some thought.

[SFL Cat]

Dammmm...this show is still on?

[Kodos]

I think StarBuck is too obvious -- it would be the easy way to explain how she came back. Plus, she is set up to be the series hero. I just can't see them letting her be a cylon.

[Kodos]

Dammmm...this show is still on?

Yep. It started again a couple months ago.

[Bonegavel]

Loved the look on Anders' face when they mentioned D'anna being able to ID the final 5. You could almost hear him thinking, "was she kidding when she said she would kill me if I was a cylon?"

And the hand in compu-water was great too. He was so curious but afraid that he might be able use the water.

Was it me or did the hybrid mention that the 5 were from Earth?

[Eaglesfan27]

Loved the look on Anders' face when they mentioned D'anna being able to ID the final 5. You could almost hear him thinking, "was she kidding when she said she would kill me if I was a cylon?"

And the hand in compu-water was great too. He was so curious but afraid that he might be able use the water.

Was it me or did the hybrid mention that the 5 were from Earth?

I also thought I heard that the 5 are from Earth which is a very interesting twist.

[ISiddiqui]

The full quote was:

The missing 3 will give you the Five, who have come from the home of the 13th.

But don't they all come from the home of the 13th? Doesn't that mean the home of the 13th colony, which isn't the 13th colony, but where they came from beforehand?

[kcchief19]

Thus will it come to pass. A dying leader will know the truth of the Opera House. The missing Three will give you the Five who come from the home of the Thirteenth. You are the harbinger of death, Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end. End of Line.
This line is utterly baffling, especially given the suggested plot behind the Caprica prequel series Moore is developing. Does that mean that the Final Five come from Earth? We know the Final Five Cylons are different than than the other seven -- did the Final Five create the other seven? We originally believed that the humanoid cylons descended from the Cylons created by the colonies (and apparently Admiral Adama's grandfather?). But perhaps the Cylons rebelled only to be enslaved by the humanoid Cylons who descended from the Final Five who ceated them who in turn were created by the 13th tribe?

The idea that the 13th tribe created their own Cylons that evolved into humanoids would certainly fit the all of this is repeating itself theme.

And for those who were so pissed earlier ... if the Final Five came from Earth, if would explain why they had "All Along the Watchtower" stuck in their heads. :)

It would also explain my beef with Tigh being a Cylon since he has much too long of a history to be one of the seven -- if the Final Five were created by the 13th tribe before the seven, then all is well in the universe.

Oh, I have wasted my life.

[RendeR]

Anyone know a site where I can watch the mini series and the first 3 seasons online?

I found fancast.com has the original star trek series episodes for viewing, very high quality as well, but they lack anything modern. I was hoping to find ST:TNG, DS9, and voyager as well as the new BSG.

So, Any help for a guy whose job is utterly boring during the summer months?

[ISiddiqui]

HOLY FRAK! What an end to a the 1st part of the 2 parter.

Great episode overall too. Now they do know the location of the res hub, even if the basestar jumped away. And Natalie is fully dead. From the previews of 2 weeks from now (NOOO Memorial Day, why?!!!), it looks like things are going to start getting reaaaaly fun.

[RendeR]

JUMP!

[kcchief19]

HOLY FRAK! What an end to a the 1st part of the 2 parter.

Great episode overall too. Now they do know the location of the res hub, even if the basestar jumped away. And Natalie is fully dead. From the previews of 2 weeks from now (NOOO Memorial Day, why?!!!), it looks like things are going to start getting reaaaaly fun.
Do we know Natalie is dead? There was a quick cut in the preview that showed Cottle in the operating room and it looked like Natalie was who they were working on. It also sure looked like someone (Zarek?) was taking the oath of office on Colonial One. Perhaps that is in response to the baseship jumping with her onboard? And Romo Lampkin is coming back!

This was an action packed episode. I'm skeptical of the Gaeta theory now that they are leading us down that path more obviously. We've had the Starbuck suggestion, now Gaeta. I think Dualla is the only logical candidate left assuming what Moore has said is true.

I'm also subscribing more and more to the theory that if there is a 13th tribe there may be a 13th Cylon too ... then we can get our Adama and Roslin speculation going again.

Stupid Memorial Day ... waiting two weeks really sucks. And related to that, does anyone know if season four is being split or it will run uninterrupted? I think there are 20 episodes in season four and we're at seven now I think. If I have to wait another 6-12 months for the rest of season four, I may explode.

[ISiddiqui]

Well, we don't know... but it would really drive home the whole "Cylons are mortal" thing and maybe make the humans trust their new allies more. And since it was a fellow Cylon that shot Natalie, well, the Cylon rebels can't blame the humans (really).

I'd have to be Zarek taking the oath, you'd think. He is vice president. I've heard speculation that it was Lee, but he'd have to leap over too many people to get the top spot. And of course they'd have to have a temporary Prez... Roslin is gone for the time being (with Baltar... oh fun).

As for Season 4, here is what wiki says on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_%282004_TV_series%29

The fourth season has been rumored to be split into two parts, a case more likely given the late premiere and production delays caused by the 2007-2008 writers' strike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%932008_Writers_Guild_of_America_strike); the first 10 episodes airing beginning April 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_4), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008),<sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference">[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_%282004_TV_series%29#cite_note-13)</sup> with the second 10 installments possibly airing as late as 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009).<sup id="cite_ref-14" class="reference">[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_%282004_TV_series%29#cite_note-14)</sup><sup id="cite_ref-15" class="reference">[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_%282004_TV_series%29#cite_note-15)</sup> The Canadian cable channel Space (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_%28TV_channel%29) has stated they will start airing season four on the same date. In the UK, Sky One began airing Season Four on April 15th, showing the first two episodes on that date, placing the UK just 4 days behind the U.S. screenings.

Fraking writer's strike :mad:

[ISiddiqui]

Interestingly enough, remember the "Last Supper" picture? I guess now we know why Natalie is pointing accusatorily across the table and Athena seems frightened with Apollo behind her.

[Bonegavel]

Interestingly enough, remember the "Last Supper" picture? I guess now we know why Natalie is pointing accusatorily across the table and Athena seems frightened with Apollo behind her.

That's Helo :D

[Eaglesfan27]

JUMP!

Great ending. Best episode of this season.

[ISiddiqui]

WOOT!

Good episode there... They grab the D'Anna, nuke the res hub, making the Cylons all human. Roslin almost lets Baltar die (saved again by a Cylon... this time while trying to free the Centurions of their chains), but then realizes that humanity has to deserve to be saved and not just because it exists.

Nice fake out on the Final 5 too, :lol:

And "About Time"... that's badass, Adama :thumbsup:

[Eaglesfan27]

I was just about to post as I just finished watching this episode. Great episode, although part of me wishes Roslin did let Baltar die. Her reaction when he revealed that he had given up the codes was very well done.

[RendeR]

I think Doc Caudil is the final Cylon. Would be a complete and total twist, he's not on anyones radar at this point.

Loved these last two episodes, seriously fucking AMAzing stories.

[ISiddiqui]

Without Baltar the show would suck.

Btw, if you saw the previews for next week:

OMG, they found Earth (or an Earthlike planet) and the Cylons were outed (and almost spaced it seems)!!! Figures, since I believe that's the one before the break

[ISiddiqui]

I think Doc Caudil is the final Cylon. Would be a complete and total twist, he's not on anyones radar at this point.

Well in the interwebs he's on the radar ;). I think right now the 3 most rumored are Cottle, Gaeta, and Dee (of course the assumption that its not one of the main characters).

[Ironhead]

Manhattan skyline, destroyed Brooklyn bridge. The question: was it by mankind's hand or has the Human/Cylon cycle happened before?

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm still processing that episode, but I really enjoyed the ending in particular. I find myself with multiple questions - who set the signal in Kara's raptor if the Earth was decimated by a nuclear strike? The geiger counter wasn't going crazy, so I'm assuming that happened at some distant point in the past. For that matter, how did she survive? I was hoping we might get some answers on that tonight. Plenty of other questions rattling around in my head. I'm disappointed with the recent news that there won't be any more episodes shown until sometime in 2009.

[kcchief19]

HOLY FRACK!
I wasn't expecting them to reach Earth tonight and STILL leave 10 more episodes to unravel this thing. Two things:

One, I'm concluding that the final scene was in Earth's future, since the wide shot of the city scape seemed to indicate the prescence of skyscrappers. At first I thought they were somewhere such as ancient Rome but now I'm sure they are at least in present day if not the future. And obviously Earth has been nuked to oblivion. But by who? I'm assuming the "all of this has happened before, it will happen again" would suggest that it occurred in an earlier incarnation of a human war with someone, but are we to believe that the Cylons and humans have been around together for eons? Or did the humans nuke themselves before going on to the 12 colonies? ARGH! Too many loose ends!

Two, the identity of the final Cylon. D'Anna made it quite clear that she was seeking the FOUR Cylons in the fleet when the Baseship arrived, although we already established that five Cylons were in the fleet. So ... that the final Cylon was NOT in the fleet at the time ... and thereby the final Cylon was either on the Baseship ... or elsewhere entirely?

I supposed the idea that the final Cylon was not in the fleet or on the Baseship will lead credence to the theories that it's Zac, Billy or some other dead character. Either theory would completely debunk the popular Gaeta theory But I'm more intrigued on who was on the Baseship at the time. This would seem to clearly point a finger at Roslin or Baltar. Helo was on the Baseship, and the idea that Helo could be a Cylon boggles my mind. Whoe else was there? Random pilots? Was the any other unknown Cylon on there? But again, we're left with RDM's alleged hint that the final Cylon is not in The Last Supper picture, and Roslin, Baltar and Helo are all there.
I do NOT want to wait until January or February to beging unraveling this. Frackin' writer's strike.
:banghead:

[kcchief19]

The geiger counter wasn't going crazy, so I'm assuming that happened at some distant point in the past.
That's why I'm assuming that it was destroyed by Cavil's Cylon group getting there first and nuking it.

You guys beat me to my first post. It was a great episode that just leaves so many questions. I wasn't sure about the location of the final scene but Ironhead's observation is good with me.

Maddening. Just maddening.

[flounder]

You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

[Fonzie]

Wow. Just...wow.

[Bad-example]

Absolutely hilarious episode. The scene with Tigh and Adama was especially entertaining.

Long wait for the finale, and I seriously doubt the ending will be satisfying for anyone.

[RendeR]

If I'm remembering this right the cylons were created within the last 100 or so years, first as simple servants, then as mechanical soldiers until they developed their own consciousness and rebeled against the colonies during the first Cylon war some 40 or so years prior to the destrution of the colonies.

The geiger counter wasn't really going strongly so I tihnk the earth humans destroyed themselves. I don't think the cylons did it.

As for the last 10 episodes being next year I swear I'm gonna go postal on someone. I am NOT happy. GRRRRRRRR.

That being said however, I have to give some HUGE props to the writers of this season's espisodes. Just some really amazing work intertwining all the plotlines and realy developing the characters even more deeply than they had been. Season 3 was a bit of a let down and they are making up for it in spades this season.

[Wolfpack]

I've had a couple of theories rattling around.


The first one is similar to kcchief's idea, that things in a sense have come full circle. I speculate that there was a group of humans who evacuated Earth before whatever holocaust befell the planet and it is these humans who ended up the progenitors of the colonies. They likely would have brought with them some texts to retain a history of the old home and amongst them would have been those that described the Greek gods and constellations, hence how the human culture ends up with Greek mythological influences, but since these are also decendents of our current population, why they look like us and behave like us culturally in some respects. (It'd be a bizarre coincidence that a completely alien human culture developed suits and other attire that look like anything you can buy in the local department store right now)

A little further afield is that this is a throwback reference to the original Galactica series. The initial prologue was that "Life here began out there...." Of course, the difficulty with this is why our modern society never uncovered these ruins of the prior civilization before our arrival. The only way to solve this issue is that the Colonials decided to obliterate this historical information somehow and since they also would not have the raw materials to continue sustaining their future society, the new human civilization reverted to pre-historic conditions in some amount of time before advancing again with the original knowledge of the Colonials being lost over time. As I type this, I'm thinking this isn't going to be the answer, though.

A somewhat more outlandish theory is that this isn't Earth. It could be Alpha Centauri or another nearby system that was on the way to Earth, but they missed by a little. A move to Alpha Centauri would likely not shift the constellation patterns we see very much at all, so it could be possible to see a very similar sky with some minor exceptions there as here.

I think the first idea is probably the most likely, though, or at the very least, this is Earth sometime after we've obliterated ourselves regardless of whether this is a completion of a circle.

[kcchief19]

I think there is definitely a connection between the Earth cultural references that have popped up among the humans. I really think that humans left/escaped Earth and that the humans in the fleet are descendants of the humans who left Earth.

[Crapshoot]

I think there is definitely a connection between the Earth cultural references that have popped up among the humans. I really think that humans left/escaped Earth and that the humans in the fleet are descendants of the humans who left Earth.

Yeah, that's pretty much where I was going as well. Jimi Hendrix playing was awesome at the end of Season 3, and it seems clear to be that Earth was progenitor of the 12 colonies.

However, who the fuck was signaling them back? The remnants of the old Earth crowd? If so, why the hell didn't they give Starbuck a little more?



That being said, the "Cylon redemption" bit is a little hard to take morally - at some pt, there is no kumbaya.

[Tigercat]

I like the full circle idea. That perhaps the original colonists escaped earth, perhaps because the whole Cylon creation and rebellion, or something similiar, happened there way back then first.

To go a step further, I think then a possible answer to who pushed starbuck along, who "called out" to the four cylons, may be the "Cylons" created by Earthlings, who later destroyed earth while the colonists managed to escape. Those Cylons later evolved to the point where they found the colonists thousands of years later and were able to influence the Cylons. (And perhaps "plant" the final five?)

[ISiddiqui]

Great episode and cliffhanger. Wow...I love this show.

I also think (and have thought) that the people who left Earth, possibly due to war and infighting, formed Kobol & the 12 colonies. They were like the Puritans of the future (so to speak). Perhaps they left Earth due to nuclear war breaking out?

Of course, this doesn't mean that ALL life is dead on the planet. There could still be pockets of survivors. After all, say that only a few countries got nuked, while the rest would have to deal with nuclear winter, it doesn't mean that every human was exterminated, and perhaps they were the ones who sent out a signal.

I think the last 10 eps will have to deal with what exactly happened to Earth and the search for any survivors... and of course, fighting off the Cavils when they eventually show up.

[Kodos]

Maybe we're all Cylons. :)

[kcchief19]

Maybe we're all Cylons. :)
I haven't ruled it out. You also have to consider the possibility that Hendrix was a Cylon now.

[SnowMan]

Where have they said when the last eps are gonna be..I've heard October and I've heard "next year"...

[cthomer5000]

I have to say this season really didn't do it for me. A few of the main characters just became such cliches in season 3/4 that it was tiresome to see them get a lot of screen time (Roslin, Adama). I hope the payoff is worth it, but my gut feeling is that this show essentially peaked in season 2.

I hope i'm wrong. At one point I was vieweing this as the 2nd best TV show EVER and the best sci-fi anything i'd ever read/seen. It's drifted quite a ways from that early assesment.

[Eaglesfan27]

Where have they said when the last eps are gonna be..I've heard October and I've heard "next year"...

A recent TV guide article said that January 09 is the earliest and it may not be until later in 09.

[ISiddiqui]

Yeah, I'm thinking Feb/March of next year.

[sachmo71]

Yeah, I'm thinking Feb/March of next year.

But all of the episodes have been filmed, correct?

[Kodos]

My wife says they haven't filmed anything yet for the remaining episodes.

[Eaglesfan27]

I thought I read they are just finishing up filming? Also, because of the length of the final episode they are debating on a 2 hour finale. I hope they are finishing up the filming with the threat of a SAG strike.

[kcchief19]

Entertainment Weekly had an article about how they put on a screening to try and generate Emmy buzz of the mid-season finale a week ago. The cast said at that time they were shooting the final episode of the show. Everything I've seen has suggested a January start date for the last half of the season, but I don't recall that a season of Galactica has ever aired on time.

Mary McDonnell let slip that during the shooting of the final, she was going over in her bald look and dragging her IV to watch shooting on Caprica, the prequel spinoff. That would seem to suggest that the vision Roslin had of Adama reading to her on her death bed is from the finale.

[Kodos]

Hopefully my wife is misinformed. :)

[Coop]

They are currently filming the final episode and it's suppose to wrap up some time next week. There will be at least 1 TV movie (with a possibility of 3).

[Kodos]

Yeah, my wife was wrong. She says they're filming the last episode now. :)

[Bonegavel]

They took great care not to show the continents of "Earth."

[RendeR]

I have to say this season really didn't do it for me. A few of the main characters just became such cliches in season 3/4 that it was tiresome to see them get a lot of screen time (Roslin, Adama). I hope the payoff is worth it, but my gut feeling is that this show essentially peaked in season 2.

I hope i'm wrong. At one point I was vieweing this as the 2nd best TV show EVER and the best sci-fi anything i'd ever read/seen. It's drifted quite a ways from that early assesment.


I have to completely disagree here. This season thus far has been as good as season 2 easily. Season 3 yes was a serious let down in the writing, but this last 10 epsodes have been superior.

Still by far the single best sci-fi TV series ever written even with the let down season 3.

[kcchief19]

They are currently filming the final episode and it's suppose to wrap up some time next week. There will be at least 1 TV movie (with a possibility of 3).
That discussion has intrigued me. They are discussing continuing to do movies after the series end using the Razor movie concept of doing stories that fill in gaps not covered in the series rather than continuing the storyline. There are plenty of stories that could tell for backstory -- I wouldn't mind seeing more New Caprica-era stories or even pre-attack stories.

[kcchief19]

TVShowsOnDVD.com is reporting that the release date for Season 4.0 on DVD is Dec. 30, which makes a January date for start of the second half of the season very likely.

[sachmo71]

Preview for Caprica is up:

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=14&id=57977

[kcchief19]

Interesting. Not necessarily what I was expecting, but it looks appealing. I'll definitely check it out.

From what I've read about the premise, I still don't exactly understand how the whole timeline fits. Not that I'm such a geek that it will make the show unwatchable for me, but it just seems that the timeline doesn't fit well.

[Neon_Chaos]

Wow. Just wow.

And they're not done YET.

The final 3 episodes were amazing. Bill Adama lying in a crumpled heap crying his heart out to his son was one of the best scenes in the entire series.

The cliffhanger was brutal.

Can't wait for the final 10 episodes to come out. :popcorn:

[Arctic Blast]

Wow. Just wow.

And they're not done YET.

The final 3 episodes were amazing. Bill Adama lying in a crumpled heap crying his heart out to his son was one of the best scenes in the entire series.

The cliffhanger was brutal.

Can't wait for the final 10 episodes to come out. :popcorn:

Agreed. That part of the episode where Adama just out and out falls apart was fantastic, simply because it was the first time we've seen the man so much as show weakness in the entire series.

[kcchief19]

Maybe we're all Cylons. :)
Technically, I think this is the closest we've ever come to actually guessing something correctly.