iPhone 2.0

[DanGarion]

Anyone getting one of these tomorrow. I'm hoping both my wife and I will be able to get ours tomorrow. We held off on getting the first ones, and I'm going to be a complete hypocrite since I usually denounce Apple, but I really want one now. A lot of the stuff the iPhone does are things I already do with my current phone (Browse, Gmail, Reader, Maps) but it does it so much better.

I'm just hoping the supply is going to be good enough so we can get two 16 GB ones tomorrow.

[samifan24]

I really, really want one but I can't afford one right now. When I actually sat down and crunched the numbers, I found that I can't afford that very high premium for the course of the two year contract for what is ultimately a luxury item. I compared the costs associated with the iPhone over the life of its contract in a blog post here (http://technicity.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/i-love-the-3g-iphone-but-i-wont-be-getting-one/).

[Passacaglia]

On my bus ride in, I saw a bunch of people lined up outside a strip mall. At first, I thought there was some giveaway at the Starbucks in it, then I realized they were all lined up outside the at&t store next to it. I'd say about 50 people were in line.

[lighthousekeeper]

People must be much richer than I am to be able to afford a $1000/year cell phone bugdet. I think I spend about $100/year on my cell phone and that's about as much as I'm willing to pay.

[Passacaglia]

People must be much richer than I am to be able to afford a $1000/year cell phone bugdet. I think I spend about $100/year on my cell phone and that's about as much as I'm willing to pay.

Priorities. I'm in the same boat as you, but I'd imagine that most people *could* spend $1000 per year on it if they cared about it more than other things.

[cartman]

People must be much richer than I am to be able to afford a $1000/year cell phone bugdet. I think I spend about $100/year on my cell phone and that's about as much as I'm willing to pay.

Where do you find an $8/mo. plan?

[DaddyTorgo]

i wish i could downgrade my plan to a cheaper one, but i already bumped it up this year to a more expensive one for the bitch, so i guess i'm screwed into paying what i'm paying.

[cartman]

Dola,

I'm going to get one, just not today. The iPhone Dev Team has announced they've already jailbroken the 2.0 software, but I'm going to wait and see how well it works. I've gotten used to running some stuff on my current iPhone that only works after it is jailbroken.

[Godzilla Blitz]

I'm in as soon as I can get one. Probably will start looking in earnest tomorrow. Not interested in waiting in line for one.

I'm going to cancel a business line coming into our house, and get rid of my existing cell phone. The iPhone monthly charges will end up costing me just a bit more than my current charges, but the iPhone will do more.

[Rich1033]

A friend of mine went to pick one up today at about 7:30am and found out most stores around here only have between 20-40 phones. After that they are taking preorders and those people get first dibs when more phones come in.

[DanGarion]

Well one reason we can splurg to get something like this is that I get free cable TV already and only pay 20 bucks a month for phone service at our home. One of the nice benefits of working for the cable company.

[Fidatelo]

I'd love to have one, but can't justify the costs. Ah well.

[Marc Vaughan]

I've got an iTouch ipod and because of that wouldn't touch an iPhone with a bargepole.

The UI is horrible to utilise compared to a normal iPod and I'd expect the same to be the case on the iPhone, simply put having proper buttons to press makes things a lot more reliable and easier to use.

(or put it this way - I prefer to borrow my wifes old-style iPod when I go to the gym)

[Rich1033]

They are telling everyone all preorders will be filled within 7 days. Sucks for me since I wanted one for my flight to Seattle on the 19th, thats cutting it close.

[sachmo71]

Activation is down. Poor America. :(

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/10/03/iphone-activation-down/

[Godzilla Blitz]

Sounds like the launch is a complete mess. iTunes server has been down worldwide, so people can't activate.

I tried calling a nearby AT&T store from a land line, but the reception was all garbled, then it switched to a busy signal. I tried calling again but only got a dead line. Great quality for a mobile phone company.

Glad I didn't get up early to wait in line. I'll wait until next week to start looking.

[DanGarion]

Sounds like the launch is a complete mess. iTunes server has been down worldwide, so people can't activate.

I tried calling a nearby AT&T store from a land line, but the reception was all garbled, then it switched to a busy signal. I tried calling again but only got a dead line. Great quality for a mobile phone company.

Glad I didn't get up early to wait in line. I'll wait until next week to start looking.

Why were you calling the store? Don't think they are busy enough already?

[sachmo71]

Are they using itunes to answer phones as well?

[lighthousekeeper]

Where do you find an $8/mo. plan?

http://www.virginmobileusa.com/rates/minute.do

I pay $20 every 90 days. $7/mo I guess.

[oliegirl]

http://www.virginmobileusa.com/rates/minute.do

I pay $20 every 90 days. $7/mo I guess.

That is what we have for my son, $20 at a time for 200 minutes. I wish I could have that but I "need" (yes, I know it's not a need but I choose to not live without it) texting and internet on my phone. We have 2 blackberrys with TMobile and pay $140 a month for 1000 minutes, unlimited internet, and unlimited messaging.

[sachmo71]

LOL:

http://gizmodo.com/5024372/apple-cancels-all-iphone-3g-orders-releases-ibrick-3g

[Passacaglia]

LOL:

http://gizmodo.com/5024372/apple-cancels-all-iphone-3g-orders-releases-ibrick-3g

1254 tries? Geez? After like 5 I'd call it a day.

[Godzilla Blitz]

Why were you calling the store? Don't think they are busy enough already?

I called the store to check on availability. I had heard that some of the local AT&T stores were pretty quiet at the last launch.

[DanGarion]

You know what really sucks, is they have more then enough of them at the Apple Store, BUT you can only buy one per person so I have to wait till my wife gets off work for us to go.

[lighthousekeeper]

That is what we have for my son, $20 at a time for 200 minutes. I wish I could have that but I "need" (yes, I know it's not a need but I choose to not live without it) texting and internet on my phone. We have 2 blackberrys with TMobile and pay $140 a month for 1000 minutes, unlimited internet, and unlimited messaging.

i use my computer for internet access and text-based messaging.

[sachmo71]

1254 tries? Geez? After like 5 I'd call it a day.

I believe the iphone just keeps trying to connect until you shut it off. And brick your phone.

[Godzilla Blitz]

None in stock at the Apple Store near me for tomorrow. Mall of America store has some, but I'm not motivated enough to drive 45 minutes for one. I'll look again on Sunday/Monday/Tuesday.

I don't get a sense it will be too hard to get one of these.

[INDalltheway]

My mom got one today and mine should be here next week. She got the last one (it was white) at our AT&T store. I wanted a black one so I let her get that one and I will gladly wait. I need to get screen protectors and a case in the meantime anyway. Anyone know the best cases out there or what?

[DanGarion]

So I got 2 iPhones yesterday. Stood in line for 5 hours at the Apple Store. My wife really wanted one after she saw all the cool stuff it could do when I was checking it out for myself and with our anniversary coming up I thought it would be a nice little early 2 year anniversary gift. Was well worth the 5 hour wait, I didn't really get bored I was standing by a some people that were fun to talk to.

[Godzilla Blitz]

I don't get a sense it will be too hard to get one of these.

:withstupid:

The whole state has been sold out for two days now.

[Lathum]

I saw a huge line at the apple store and was wondering what the hype was.

[lordscarlet]

I didn't catch most of the thread, but I have an iPhone 2.0. And by that, I mean I have a first gen iPhone with the 2.0 firmware. The only thing you gain with the 3G is faster cellular internet speed (meh) and a haphazard GPS (can't even give you turn-by-turn directions).

The new apps show a lot of promise, especially some of the games. There's an app I am waiting to be released which essentially allows you to "bookmark" where you parked your car. This will be VERY nice.

[Subby]

I didn't catch most of the thread
"I can't be bothered to read what any of you simpletons wrote. The thread starts now, after my post."

[DanGarion]

I didn't catch most of the thread, but I have an iPhone 2.0. And by that, I mean I have a first gen iPhone with the 2.0 firmware. The only thing you gain with the 3G is faster cellular internet speed (meh) and a haphazard GPS (can't even give you turn-by-turn directions).

The new apps show a lot of promise, especially some of the games. There's an app I am waiting to be released which essentially allows you to "bookmark" where you parked your car. This will be VERY nice.
They didn't do the turn by turn because they were afraid of pissing of law enforcement. I have heard that their might be a Telenav addon though...

[ISiddiqui]

Why would they piss of law enforcement when plenty of GPS systems have that ability?

[Bonegavel]

I can get the iPhone for $199 and my work will pick-up the data package but I'm waiting. The other guys in my department just unpacked theirs and I'm going to let them 'eff about with the thing to see if I want to plop down $200 just to be able to be more accessible with off hours email.

I currently have the sony-ericsson walkman (for which I paid $170 a year or more ago - ouch - I wanted a phone/mp3 player and this phone sucks ass) and that allows me to at least not be emailed to death while I'm at home. I'll probably cave, but I'm a stubborn fuck.

[DanGarion]

Why would they piss of law enforcement when plenty of GPS systems have that ability?
I don't know, that's what someone said to me.

I just saw this though...

http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/14/apple-says-turn-by-turn-gps-coming-to-iphone-copy-paste-not-a/

There's been a lot of random misinformation about the iPhone 3G floating around out there, like David Pogue's baffling comment that the device's GPS antenna is "too small" to support turn-by-turn directions, and Apple's iPod and iPhone marketing head Greg Joswiak recently sat down with AppScout to clear up some of the confusion. Greg says that Apple has an internal priority list of features for the iPhone, and that the company went as far down the list with the 3G as it could -- and that copy / paste support simply didn't make the cut. Similarly, there are no technical issues preventing turn-by-turn directions, just other "complicated issues" (read: legal agreements) that need to be sorted out, and Josiwak expects developers to "amaze us." as things "evolve." Hopefully that means that nav app TomTom's got in the labs will evolve its way into the wild sometime soon. Finally, Joswiak said that he's not aware of any technical reasons an office suite isn't already in the App Store, but that the lack of a cross-application file structure could impede development. Yeah, and maybe the lack of copy / paste, you think?

[lordscarlet]

"I can't be bothered to read what any of you simpletons wrote. The thread starts now, after my post."

Precisely. ;)

They didn't do the turn by turn because they were afraid of pissing of law enforcement. I have heard that their might be a Telenav addon though...

That's bullshit if they've said that (which I haven't seen, sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I'd love to be proven wrong). There are plenty of phones out there, not to mention, you know, GPS devices, that give turn-by-turn GPS directions.

[DanGarion]

Precisely. ;)



That's bullshit if they've said that (which I haven't seen, sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I'd love to be proven wrong). There are plenty of phones out there, not to mention, you know, GPS devices, that give turn-by-turn GPS directions.
See my next post please....

[lordscarlet]

See my next post please....

Yeah, that sounds much more plausible. Basically, they don't have licensing to turn-by-turn software or haven't written their own or are waiting for someone like TomTom to come out with a version or something to that affect. I have a much easier time believing that. And, personally, I love the TomTom software and if they created something for the iphone it would work great (although I doubt it would be innovative in any way -- probably the same as the Pocket PC version). But the whole idea that they don't want trouble from law enforcement is just absurd. Phone GPSes (like TomTom on a Pocket PC) typically just have a warning that you have to accept that says you're paying attention to the road, essentially.

[Klinglerware]

I really, really want one but I can't afford one right now. When I actually sat down and crunched the numbers, I found that I can't afford that very high premium for the course of the two year contract for what is ultimately a luxury item. I compared the costs associated with the iPhone over the life of its contract in a blog post here (http://technicity.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/i-love-the-3g-iphone-but-i-wont-be-getting-one/).

It sounds like prospective buyers have to be careful--the cost structure will be the same whether your calling area has 3G service or not. The premium for this phone can be justified if you have active 3G in you area (and is a pretty fair price for high speed data), but perhaps not so much if AT&T data in your area is spotty.

The reviews say that call quality is light years ahead of the original iPhone, so perhaps that may be some incentive to buy the 3G version anyway (with the hope that the 3G network is eventually built out more).

[Bonegavel]

Doing the math, it doesn't pay for met not to get this phone since work is picking up the tab for voice/data. I'm getting the 16gb. I feel so dirty, but hey, I like the ipod.

Now I know what Linux guys feel like when they have to buy stuff running windows. Where's the shower.

[lordscarlet]

You should not feel dirty. You should feel clean, enlightened and blessed. :-D

[Bonegavel]

You should not feel dirty. You should feel clean, enlightened and blessed. :-D

Uuuchht.

Went to the local apple store (lehigh valley mall) for lunch to pick up a protective cover for the phone and I felt like I walked into an alternate reality.

Greatest part was one of the Macs on display was frozen. hehe. Slick looking, I'll give you that.

[DanGarion]

Uuuchht.

Went to the local apple store (lehigh valley mall) for lunch to pick up a protective cover for the phone and I felt like I walked into an alternate reality.

Greatest part was one of the Macs on display was frozen. hehe. Slick looking, I'll give you that.

I'm right there with you, I felt dirty walking into that store. But I got a nice sweet little phone. I love Mighty VNC, pretty sweet being able to VNC to my home PC.

[BrianD]

I'm right there with you, I felt dirty walking into that store. But I got a nice sweet little phone. I love Mighty VNC, pretty sweet being able to VNC to my home PC.

You can VNC from your iPhone to your home PC? That is pretty sweet. What percentage of the screen can you see on your phone and how much scrolling do you have to do?

[Mantle2600]

I have a question i'm a little confused on. I have a good priced family plan from back when it ws cingular and my phone line is upgrade eligible. I'm thinking of getting the Iphone but want too know if I would have to sign a new 2 year contract with a new plan or just sign a 2 year contract to the plan I already have?

[DanGarion]

You can VNC from your iPhone to your home PC? That is pretty sweet. What percentage of the screen can you see on your phone and how much scrolling do you have to do?

Lots of scrolling, especially since I run at 1600x1200. But it works....

[samifan24]

I have a question i'm a little confused on. I have a good priced family plan from back when it ws cingular and my phone line is upgrade eligible. I'm thinking of getting the Iphone but want too know if I would have to sign a new 2 year contract with a new plan or just sign a 2 year contract to the plan I already have?

I believe you would need to sign a "new" two year contract. It sounds like in the second option you would just "add" two more years to your exciting contract/plan and I don't believe you can do that with any of the AT&T iPhone plans.

[DanGarion]

I have a question i'm a little confused on. I have a good priced family plan from back when it ws cingular and my phone line is upgrade eligible. I'm thinking of getting the Iphone but want too know if I would have to sign a new 2 year contract with a new plan or just sign a 2 year contract to the plan I already have?
New contract, no way other then that...

[Mantle2600]

Screw that then.

[Klinglerware]

Screw that then.

If you're on AT&T you might want to consider other phones in their lineup, like the LG Vu that sort of compete in the same niche as the iPhone.

[DanGarion]

If you're on AT&T you might want to consider other phones in their lineup, like the LG Vu that sort of compete in the same niche as the iPhone.

You would still have to get a new contract. Whenever you reup with a upgrade you have to get a new contract.

[Klinglerware]

You would still have to get a new contract. Whenever you reup with a upgrade you have to get a new contract.

Hmm, if you can't stay with a grandfathered plan, then that does change the equation a bit...

[oliegirl]

I am convinced this thread cursed us...my Blackberry started acting up, wouldn't hold an internet connection, kept locking for no reason, etc...so I'm using a crappy T-Mobile Dash for now.

Today, my son was going to the pool with some friends, as always, he took his phone...as always I told him to set it on the table when he went in the water. About 20 minutes after he left he comes home with a look of total fear on his face and holds out the phone to me - it's dripping wet and there is a puddle of water in the screen. He forgot it was in his swim suit pocket when he jumped in the water, it was in there for "2 or 3 minutes" until he realized it. Took it apart and it's now sitting on the bathroom counter and he is kissing some serious ass to avoid being in a heap of trouble. This is why he gets a $20 Virgin Mobile phone and not a "real" (his word) phone.

[Bonegavel]

The screen on the iPhone is absolutely amazing, though I can't abide the little keyboard in portrait mode (fingers are too big). I'm mainly getting this for the exchange interoperability.

I was considering getting a new iPod anyway and they aren't cheap. I'm going on vacation next week and my phone isn't likely to come in until monday. Oh well.

Seeing the iPhone 3G in action is the only thing that pushed me over the edge. For all my dislike of Apple, they do a lot of things right and even though I'm discovering the limitations (vicariously at the moment), I think I'll be able to get over them.

[TredWel]

Finally let my iPhone sit in the charger long enough to upgrade to 2.0. I'm really enjoying sifting through the App Store at the moment. Just the fact that I can get Pandora on my iPhone is awesome enough.

[samifan24]

I'm mainly getting this for the exchange interoperability.

I read online that the "exchange push" has about a 15 minute delay and is NOT instantaneous. Are you finding this to be the case?

[Raiders Army]

So far I really like iPint (especially holding it up to my face and letting the beer drain out of the glass). Phonesaber is pretty cool and my kids really like it. I'm going to get the Texas Hold'em once my phone syncs again. I updated the software to 2.0 and it deleted everything on my phone.

Both my wife and I have iPhone 1.0s.

[Raiders Army]

Texas Hold Em is a great game for the price as well ($4.99).

[Passacaglia]

I am convinced this thread cursed us...my Blackberry started acting up, wouldn't hold an internet connection, kept locking for no reason, etc...so I'm using a crappy T-Mobile Dash for now.

Today, my son was going to the pool with some friends, as always, he took his phone...as always I told him to set it on the table when he went in the water. About 20 minutes after he left he comes home with a look of total fear on his face and holds out the phone to me - it's dripping wet and there is a puddle of water in the screen. He forgot it was in his swim suit pocket when he jumped in the water, it was in there for "2 or 3 minutes" until he realized it. Took it apart and it's now sitting on the bathroom counter and he is kissing some serious ass to avoid being in a heap of trouble. This is why he gets a $20 Virgin Mobile phone and not a "real" (his word) phone.

wtf, T-Mobile Dash rules

[lordscarlet]

Screw that then.

Don't take our word for it, call AT&T and confirm.

[DanGarion]

Don't take our word for it, call AT&T and confirm.

There are over 400,000 people that confirm it...

[oliegirl]

wtf, T-Mobile Dash rules

It's ok. I haven't decided if I'm going to keep it or not. I'm used to the Blackberry interface, so this is a big change. I miss my little scroll button thingy, and the email isn't as reliable/slick, but overall it's a decent phone.

I was in a foul mood yesterday, cranky customers had worn off on me and I was just not a happy person, it's not a crappy phone at all...

:)

[lordscarlet]

There are over 400,000 people that confirm it...

I'm pretty certain I was able to keep my plan with my iphone 1.0, but that did not have a subsidized price. I'm just saying that, before you make a decision based on us being pretty darn sure, he should at least pick up the phone and ask the company to be 100% certain.

[DanGarion]

I jailbroke my iPhone last night. Not much you can do with it yet, since everyone has to rewrite and edit existing apps for 2.0, but I've made some cosmetic changes so far with Cydia.

[INDalltheway]

I jailbroke my iPhone last night. Not much you can do with it yet, since everyone has to rewrite and edit existing apps for 2.0, but I've made some cosmetic changes so far with Cydia.
How safe and easy was it? Also how did you do it and what advantages will it have?

[INDalltheway]

dola
Posting from the iPhone! :)

[hukarez]

I jailbroke my iPhone last night. Not much you can do with it yet, since everyone has to rewrite and edit existing apps for 2.0, but I've made some cosmetic changes so far with Cydia.

Just thought I'd second INDalltheway's previous inquiry over your jailbreaking rocess.

I'm still with my 1st gen iPhone, jailbroken with Ziphone on v1.1.4 firmware... haven't really seen any 2.0 options out there that I've liked so far. What utility did you use?

[Bonegavel]

My phone is sitting on our PAs desk @ work right now waiting for me to pick it up tomorrow! I'm mainly looking forward to being able to put every song I own on a single device - w00t!

[Bonegavel]

posting from my iPhone. Not something I'll do if i'm within 20 miles of a pc. Other than posting the phone is awesome.

[Raiders Army]

sent from my iPhone

[Rich1033]

I picked up an iPhone while I was in Seattle and I love it. It just can do an amazing amount of things. I havent ventured outside of the free apps yet, but so far I really like BoxOffice, SportsTap, Pandora, AOL Radio and midomi. Havent had a chance to try out a lot of the others. Id like to hear some other recommendations on apps. The only thing I can say Im not fond of so far is iTunes itself. It just seems a bit slow and annoying. That may change as I get used to it as I have never used iTunes before.

As far as hacking it goes, a friend has done it and says its pretty easy and harmless. It allows you to change a few cosmetic things and add a few other programs like nintendo roms. Its still new so not a ton of things available right now. I dont think it limits the iPhones functions in any way. The only thing I have heard is right now you need a mac to do it. If he brings his MacBook home from work today I will probably try it out on my phone.

[INDalltheway]

I really like the Shazam program. It will tell you the artist and title of pretty much every song out there. All you do is turn the program on and put your phone up to the speaker. I use it to tag music to download when I get home.

[Bonegavel]

I'm going to smash up if I don't stop fondling my iPhone while I drive. :D

[Bonegavel]

Grrr. Seems that you can only use 1 PC with iTunes? I have my stuff synch'd with my work PC. My understanding is that if I want to add pics from home, if I hooked it up to iTunes there it will delete all my music and whatnot that i've added.

Is there a way to use multiple versions of iTunes?

[jonesz]

Texas Hold Em is a great game for the price as well ($4.99).

Agreed. When you look at this game and the rest of the games currently out there it's night and day. This one actually looks like a game you would play on today's computers. Most of the rest look like games that you'd play on your old Commodore 64 of Vic 20. I mean seriously, Pong!?

$4.99 is about right price wise as well. No way would I pay $9.99 or more for a game on my iPhone that some are asking.

[JeeberD]

Grrr. Seems that you can only use 1 PC with iTunes? I have my stuff synch'd with my work PC. My understanding is that if I want to add pics from home, if I hooked it up to iTunes there it will delete all my music and whatnot that i've added.

Is there a way to use multiple versions of iTunes?

There are programs out there that will copy everything off you iPod and put it into iTunes. I can't remember the one I used a couple of years ago, but I think it cost around $15.

[Bonegavel]

I read online that the "exchange push" has about a 15 minute delay and is NOT instantaneous. Are you finding this to be the case?the push is not bad at all. When you have push off, it can take 15 mins.

[Bonegavel]

I'm digging evernote right now. Great idea and good implementation. And I'm getting much better at the keyboard even with big meaty fingers.

[Doug5984]

I'm not sure if the push is email you're talkign about- but i notice sometimes that i get email on my phone quicker than i get it in my firefox browser.

edit- using gmail btw

[John Galt]

Grrr. Seems that you can only use 1 PC with iTunes? I have my stuff synch'd with my work PC. My understanding is that if I want to add pics from home, if I hooked it up to iTunes there it will delete all my music and whatnot that i've added.

Is there a way to use multiple versions of iTunes?

Unless I'm misunderstanding, you can use as many PC's as you want. You just have to turn off auto-syncing (which is on by default) in Itunes.

[Rich1033]

Unless I'm misunderstanding, you can use as many PC's as you want. You just have to turn off auto-syncing (which is on by default) in Itunes.

Yeah, turn off auto-syncing and also turn off syncing in everything that you dont want(everything but photos in that case).

[DanGarion]

How safe and easy was it? Also how did you do it and what advantages will it have?

It was pretty easy for me to do on my PC. Only advantages I really see right now are being able to pretty up the Iphone to your liking. Not much in the software category at this time, but it's a cinch to install software after jailbreaking (with Cydia).

[Bonegavel]

Unless I'm misunderstanding, you can use as many PC's as you want. You just have to turn off auto-syncing (which is on by default) in Itunes.



Ah, yes that is what I just discovered. Thanks, I am a dumbass. I guess apple just makes it too easy and I'm looking for the hard way to things.

[Bonegavel]

The greatest thing in the world right now is the Mocha VNC. I can VPN in and remote my desktop and it works so well I'm amazed. Best $5.99 I've spent in a long time.

[cartman]

This is a pretty cool app:

iPhone Apps We Like: Dynolicious Car Performance Meter (http://gizmodo.com/5030749/iphone-apps-we-like-dynolicious-car-performance-meter)

[Bonegavel]

Unless I'm misunderstanding, you can use as many PC's as you want. You just have to turn off auto-syncing (which is on by default) in Itunes.

Well, I just installed iTunes at home and in order to add 1 song to my iPhone it wants to erase everything on the phone and replace it with the play lists on this PC. It makes no sense at all. I just want to add 1 song here at home.

[DanGarion]

Well, I just installed iTunes at home and in order to add 1 song to my iPhone it wants to erase everything on the phone and replace it with the play lists on this PC. It makes no sense at all. I just want to add 1 song here at home.

That's because Itunes is a big flaming pile of shit piece of software.

[fantom1979]

Looks like some people are having a hard time with the 3G connection. Anyone else having problems like this?

Apple, AT&T mum on iPhone 3G issues - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/20080811/tc_cnet/83011357931001242037)

[Rich1033]

I have never had any problem with it switching away from 3G.. For me it seems to stay locked in to 3G in every area it should be working in.

[DaddyTorgo]

nice - my dad was just crowing about that shazaam program the other day and how I didn't have anything like it - well now I found something like it for WM 6, so hah

[Rich1033]

Well I actually like Midomi better, it does the same thing and a little more. However its not really something new, I know Verizon's VCAST can do the same thing.

[fantom1979]

Steve Jobs Confirms iPhone Has a Kill Switch - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080811/bs_nf/61270)

Apple CEO Steve Jobs has confirmed that the iPhone 3G has a kill switch that can remotely remove software from the devices.
Jobs told The Wall Street Journal that Apple needs the capability in case it inadvertently allows a malicious program -- such as an application that steals user's personal data -- to be distributed to iPhones through its App Store.
"Hopefully we never have to pull that lever, but we would be irresponsible not to have a lever like that to pull," Jobs said.

[DaddyTorgo]

Well I actually like Midomi better, it does the same thing and a little more. However its not really something new, I know Verizon's VCAST can do the same thing.

can you PM me with confirmation / where i can find that. my mom has verizon and would love to be able to use somthing like midomi.

[DanGarion]

Qik is pretty sweet...
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[KWhit]

That was riveting video.

:)

[DanGarion]

That was riveting video.

:)

That was just a proof of concept video. I wanted to see how it works and it was late.

[Godzilla Blitz]

Looks like some people are having a hard time with the 3G connection. Anyone else having problems like this?

Apple, AT&T mum on iPhone 3G issues - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/20080811/tc_cnet/83011357931001242037)

I'm starting to wonder about mine...

I noticed a call yesterday that went straight to voicemail instead of ringing.

It took about ten minutes for a text message to get to me last night.

There have been several times when I can't get any data at all. I was in a book store last night and the phone kept switching from 3G to Edge, and I couldn't get anything. Other times I can't get any data connection at all.

But call quality has been good, and I have yet to drop a conversation.

I'm happy with it so far on the whole, as it's definitely a neat device, but these little things are starting to get a bit annoying. I've dropped my land line for the iPhone, so I need reliability.

[RainMaker]

I just bought an iPhone yesterday. This is one of the colest devices I've ever seen. Really enjoying it and going crazy looking for apps.

[lordscarlet]

Hm. I would have recommended waiting a couple months -- they're likely to come out with the next gen hardware in the summer. Still a great device, though. :) (I have a gen 1)

[Raiders Army]

I'd agree with ls. We have gen 1s as well and they're great. We were going to get my oldest son an iphone for his birthday but decided to wait until Christmas because I read somewhere that the next iphones will be a true 2.0 and last year's new model is really a 1.1 version.

[RainMaker]

Hm. I would have recommended waiting a couple months -- they're likely to come out with the next gen hardware in the summer. Still a great device, though. :) (I have a gen 1)

Yeah, I wanted to wait but my Blackberry crapped out and my contract was over with Sprint. It was either by a new phone through Sprint or move somewhere else. If the new iPhone turns out to be great, I'll probably pick it up at the end of the year. I never trust the newest versions as they always seem to have some issues.

[Travis]

When is the next hardware supposed to be announced? I'm trying to force myself to wait, but I'd really like to know what upgrades they're (likely) going to make.

[Raiders Army]

Probably June.

[lordscarlet]

Yeah, I wanted to wait but my Blackberry crapped out and my contract was over with Sprint. It was either by a new phone through Sprint or move somewhere else. If the new iPhone turns out to be great, I'll probably pick it up at the end of the year. I never trust the newest versions as they always seem to have some issues.

People "Say" that, but I'm not sure what they're talking about. I had no problems with my gen1. No one I know had problems with their 3g. [shrug]

When is the next hardware supposed to be announced? I'm trying to force myself to wait, but I'd really like to know what upgrades they're (likely) going to make.

They never officially say when it will be announced. However, the guess is June.

[Bonegavel]

I hate to admit it but I couldn't live a day without this phone. I would definitely be up to trying another phone but it is going to have to give hand jobs or something like that for me to switch.

I hate Apple but this phone is awesome. Looking forward to 3.0! And if only I could sync my music with Winamp like I do for my iPod. :(

Apple doesn't do everything right (iTunes!) but for the vast majority of things, it just works the way you think it should.

[Klinglerware]

I've read that many problems people have been having with the iPhone aren't really phone-related (and many were apparently rectified via firmware updates early on). But it does sound like there were/are some issues with AT&T's network capacity--there is suspicion that some of the issues people have been experiencing (frequent dropped calls, spotty 3G/slow data speeds, etc), are due to issues with the network not being built up adequately, especially in places like Manhattan where there are high concentrations of data users.

[RainMaker]

I've read that many problems people have been having with the iPhone aren't really phone-related (and many were apparently rectified via firmware updates early on). But it does sound like there were/are some issues with AT&T's network capacity--there is suspicion that some of the issues people have been experiencing (frequent dropped calls, spotty 3G/slow data speeds, etc), are due to issues with the network not being built up adequately, especially in places like Manhattan where there are high concentrations of data users.

That's where I'm at right now. I'm having real spotty reception with it and voices are coming across pixelated. Have read on some forums that this is a rather common occurence in parts of Chicago (tough to get a true gauge with the Apple fanboys out there). I called support and they want me to get a new SIM card. I have an odd feeling that this won't fix anything.

The phone as a piece of electronics is great. It's a shame that the network is so shotty. Going to try the SIM card and then probably move on back to Sprint where I never had issues with calls.

[Sun Tzu]

I hate to admit it but I couldn't live a day without this phone. I would definitely be up to trying another phone but it is going to have to give hand jobs or something like that for me to switch.


If you find a phone that gives you handjobs, count me in too.

*edit* to getting the phone...not to giving you a handjob.

[Rich1033]

So my headphone jack has been acting up on my iPhone and I decided to stop into the Apple store since I was in Ann Arbor on Saturday. Man, I cant remember such a bad customer experience. Just horrible. Honestly, I love my phone but I doubt I want to ever give Apple any business again. Hopefully other stores are ran differently than that one.

[lordscarlet]

I have had nothing but great experience with Apple Customer Service. They gave me a new iphone when my first one was dropped too many times and the bottom half of the touch screen stopped working. They fixed my motherboard in a day when it was overheating on my macbook. They gave me a new battery when mine wasn't holding a charge like it used to. They replace my thing that surrounds the keyboard everytime I take it in. They're always nice, helpful, and responsive.

[Peregrine]

Yeah I have to agree with Lordscarlet, I have always had Apple support and the local Apple store go above and beyond - but with any store chain, there's always a possibility that there's a few bad ones.

[MacroGuru]

I caved in and upgraded to the iPhone today, I needed it more than ever for my online business and staying in touch with some of my marketing that I am doing. It's definitely going to take some getting used to, but I am already in heaven with it.