Who will get the 1st pick overall in 2009?

[RendeR]

Thread title is the question, who will it be? The jets are looking pretty terrible right now, the Raiders have definitely inproved some from last year so I think they're safe this time round. The Ravens have huge question marks everywhere but in the secondary. The team a lot of magazines and online polls have tabbed is a surprise to me though: The Kansas City Chiefs.

Are they really that bad?

Poll to ome, make your vote and tell us why you think so!!

[TCY Junkie]

The patriots, they will come up with some videos of the commissioner stealing street signs.

Or Houston because I get to watch every game if I want to.

[illinifan999]

Surprised the Dolphins didn't make the list.

[Glengoyne]

Never underestimate the incompetence of the Raiders. They will be in the running.

[Greyroofoo]

I'm personally rooting for New England

[TCY Junkie]

Never underestimate the incompetence of the Raiders. They will be in the running.

I knew something was missing.

[Lathum]

I say Atlanta, they probably wont play Ryan much and they didn't add anything since last year( that I know of)

[Spree]

Count me in for the Patriots... it's interesting how they've gone from being nice-guys to "heels," basically in the past 12 months, and a last-place finish would only complete the process, after which they can go back to being a pitiful franchise that everyone roots for, like the Cubs.

[Chief Rum]

I feel pretty comfortable saying it won't be any one of these teams. There is almost always a big surprise loser, or someone people thought would be much improved who were pretty bad the previous year.

[RendeR]

I feel pretty comfortable saying it won't be any one of these teams. There is almost always a big surprise loser, or someone people thought would be much improved who were pretty bad the previous year.


Tell us who it is then Chief =)



I left the raiders off because I really think the addition of McFadden alone will win them a couple more games than say, the Jets or KC. I've got a good feeling for the Dolphins season as well because if you look at last season, while it was pathetic, they were in 2/3 of their games losing by a TD or less in half of them. I think with some solid rookies they could make some wins.

I basically went through and selected what I see "on paper" as the worst team from each division. Just basedon that I'm going with the Jets, but KC really could make it close with their schedule and a general lack of depth overall.

[hoopsguy]

I voted Falcons, but the Dolphins should definitely be on the list.

[hoopsguy]

Also, if you throw in the annual Mike Brown injury in the first couple of weeks your Chicago Bears would be a reasonable entry. Barring a Matt Forte breakout, they have the worst collection of "skill position" talent in the league. And this is coming from a guy who has been a Rex defender in years past.

[Racer]

I voted for the Ravens.

[Senator]

I picked Atlanta, as many other did, but the Raiders are a solid choice, despite the high picks. Someone has to call the plays.

[SFL Cat]

Atlanta looks poised for it, IMO.

[MrDNA]

On paper, it "should" be Atlanta: which is exactly why it probably won't be. Someone else will take a nosedive and ATL will probably pick around 3-5.

[mauchow]

Packers.

[Bad-example]

Voted for the Red4skins but it is probably just wishful thinking.

[MJ4H]

falcons ldo

[fantom1979]

I say Atlanta, they probably wont play Ryan much and they didn't add anything since last year( that I know of)

Michael Turner... but who knows how he will do as the starter.

[fantom1979]

The Jets and Redskins I think will be better than the Dolphins or Eagles in their own divisions.

[fantom1979]

Dola,

I doubt the Lions will be the worst team. They cant do anything right, including being bad enough to get the first overall pick.

[Maple Leafs]

What are the odds that the "winner" of this poll makes the playoffs?

3-1? 4-1?

[sachmo71]

I say Atlanta, they probably wont play Ryan much and they didn't add anything since last year( that I know of)

Michael Turner?

I got nuttin.

[Dr. Sak]

The Toronto Maple Leafs

[thesloppy]

I think it's worth noting that someone named Orton or Grossman will be starting for the Bears, and their entire off-season consisted of signing Kevin Jones, Marty Booker, and a wooden peg-leg for Mike Brown.

[Kodos]

No Bengals option?

[Raiders Army]

Never underestimate the incompetence of the Raiders. They will be in the running.

how dare you

[VPI97]

Those are two different questions...

Who will be the worst team in the NFL this season?
The Falcons...by far. They got rid of anyone with talent while blowing their FA money on a backup running back and wasting a #3 pick on a quarterback who may have been around for their second round pick. The franchise is squarely in the shitter.

Who will get the 1st pick overall in 2009?
Not the Falcons. Atlanta is such a shitty franchise that even when they have a pitiful excuse of a team, they'll find a way to screw themselves out of getting the #1 pick by winning two or three games at the end of season.

[fantom1979]

I think it's worth noting that someone named Orton or Grossman will be starting for the Bears, and their entire off-season consisted of signing Kevin Jones, Marty Booker, and a wooden peg-leg for Mike Brown.

Also, they lost their top rusher (not a real loss), and receiver from last year.

[ISiddiqui]

wasting a #3 pick on a quarterback who may have been around for their second round pick.

You have to be insane to believe that. Ryan wouldn't have survived pick #8, if not pick #6.

[SFL Cat]

I'm not seeing Ryan prosper in Hotlanta this season. Hopefully the kid has some mental toughness, cuz if not...his confidence could be shot after the season.

Dola edit...I don't think he rated a #3 pick, but I also don't think he would have been around in the second round either.

[ISiddiqui]

I think Ryan won't be playing much until after midseason. Smith seems smart, so I think Redman will be getting a lot of snaps, especially early. If the o-line looks halfway decent, maybe Ryan gets a shot (at least more than 4 games or so).

[Tigercat]

It probably won't be the Falcons, just because someone will come out of nowhere to be more awful than most people think. But still, Atlanta is the safest bet by far.

Listening to sports talk radio here the other day and the callers and hosts were talking about 6-10 being the worst the team could end up. I am still not sure what kind of narcotics they were on. Its not hard to imagine the Falcons with only 2-4 wins.

[CleBrownsfan]

Had to go with Atlanta - I'll go with a 3-13 record to secure that 1st pick overall

[jeheinz72]

Hell I'm a Dolphins fan and even I think they should at least be on the list. I like the Chiefs for supreme suckitude though.

[st.cronin]

The Chiefs have a pretty good shot at 0-16, imo.

[rkmsuf]

The Chiefs have a pretty good shot at 0-16, imo.

herm will have them playing to win the game

[nilodor]

I still think the fish have a good shot at it. I actually think they might be worse than last year and have less depth.

[Fighter of Foo]

I'm going Lions with the bonus of Matt Millen actually getting fired.

For season win totals, Vegas has Atlanta at 4.5 followed by Miami and KC at 5.5. Oakland, San Fran and Baltimore are at 6. Detroit and St. Louis are the last of the bad teams at 6.5.

[RedKingGold]

49er's. I'm surprised no one's mentioned them yet, but that's probably how far they've fallen off the radar screen.

I love the team, but I really don't think they're going anywhere. Smith is a bust and Nolan is a much better coordinator than head coach.

[ISiddiqui]

Yeah, but Frank Gore is probably good enough for a few wins.

[Noop]

I see the Dolphins winning 9 games.... :)

[albionmoonlight]

Oakland. It all starts at the top. And Al has lost it. Sad to see, really. That franchise has a great history and tradition (because of him). But the NFL is too competitive for any franchise to do well with an owner like 2008 Al Davis.

[Bad-example]

I see the Dolphins winning 9 games.... :)

Only if they go undefeated in the preseason.

[Coffee Warlord]

I think it's worth noting that someone named Orton or Grossman will be starting for the Bears, and their entire off-season consisted of signing Kevin Jones, Marty Booker, and a wooden peg-leg for Mike Brown.

Luckily, we still get to play the Lions twice a year.

[RedKingGold]

Yeah, but Frank Gore is probably good enough for a few wins.

Perhaps in theory. However, the OC is Mike Martz, and as good as Gore is, he ain't Faulk.

[st.cronin]

The Chiefs have a pretty good shot at 0-16, imo.

Looking good so far.

[JPhillips]

Looks like a three team race to me, KC, StL, or Cincy.

[hoopsguy]

Looks like a three team race to me, KC, StL, or Cincy.

Show a little respect for the defending (#1 pick) champs.

[Radii]

Looks like a three team race to me, KC, StL, or Cincy.

way too early. Detroit and Miami still have legit claims to potentially be the worst team in football.

[EagleFan]

Where is Cincy on this list?

[Jas_lov]

I just voted for the Chiefs. They couldn't even beat Oakland at home. The Rams look awful as well. I think it's between those two, but I wouldn't ever count out the Raiders and Lions.

[bhlloy]

Can I go back and change my vote to the Bengals? I think they have a legitimate shot at a complete implosion by week 5 and an 0-16 record this year.

[Icy]

The Dolphins sadly.

[JPhillips]

Here's hoping for an 0-16 week 17 showdown between Cincy and KC.

[QuikSand]

As bad as they look, I just can't imagine a team with as much QB talent as Cinti/Palmer plowing into the abyss all year long. They look really bad, but it usually takes special incompetence at that position to really collapse. I have to think that Palmer alone gives them a chance to win maybe 4 games this year.

[JPhillips]

Normally I'd agree, but it appears the team has already completely quit on Lewis. They are far from the least talented team in the NFL, but I think they'll make a good run at the worst record.

In retrospect, cutting Anderson, O'Neal, and Johnson seems to have alienated the players. It doesn't help that both Anderson and O'Neal look like upgrades over the guys the Bengals kept.

[PackerFanatic]

Here's hoping for an 0-16 week 17 showdown between Cincy and KC.

How hilarious would that be.

[MizzouRah]

The Lambs... maybe we can get a QB.

[Racer]

If I could change my vote, I would change it to the Rams. They can't doing anything on offense and can't stop anyone on defense. They do probably play in the worst division in the NFL though.

[Fighter of Foo]

How did Baltimore get on this list?

EDIT: Stupid question; I went back and read the thread :)

They are after two weeks MUCH better than any other team in the poll other than the Jets.

[Kodos]

Bungles! They're back!

[RendeR]

Just swap out Cincy for Baltimore, somewhere along tihs past offseason our entire organization reverted to 1994

[RendeR]

Bungles! They're back!


You got nothing to talk about Dolphin boy. I saw that Arizona game, they're still far worse than Cincinnati.

[Kodos]

Oh, the Dolphins are crap too. I'll freely admit that. Especially after they traded away every single player who meant even a little to me. I like the Cowboys more than I like the Dolphins this year.

[RendeR]

Oh, the Dolphins are crap too. I'll freely admit that. Especially after they traded away every single player who meant even a little to me. I like the Cowboys more than I like the Dolphins this year.


How to describe the level of disgust I'm feeling right now......nope...there aren't words.

[Thomkal]

ah its so nice not to be talking about the Cardinals as one of the worse teams for a change :)

[RendeR]

ah its so nice not to be talking about the Cardinals as one of the worse teams for a change :)


When's the last time your Cardinals were in a title game?

[fantom1979]

1948

[larrymcg421]

The Dolphins will be selecting a DB with the #1.

[Kodos]

..with great return skills!

[Thomkal]

When's the last time your Cardinals were in a title game?

Ab but we are talking about the worse team this year in this thread, not in nfl history. :)

[st.cronin]

The Chiefs have a pretty good shot at 0-16, imo.

They've made it through the toughest part of the schedule, I think. December 28 @ Cincy is the only game left I'm worried about.

[Schmidty]

I'm glad I waited until just now to vote.

[Pumpy Tudors]

This poll should've been closed before the regular season started.

[tarcone]

I heard there will be a coin flip in Jefferson City, MO between the Rams and Chiefs.

Missouri. Where the best pro team is in Columbia.

[kingnebwsu]

Rams vs Chiefs would be an epic battle this year ;) I voted Chiefs but it could go either way.

[fantom1979]

I heard there will be a coin flip in Jefferson City, MO between the Rams and Chiefs.

Missouri. Where the best pro team is in Columbia.

Does the winner or the loser of the coin flip get the first pick? :)

[Big Fo]

RendeR is looking pretty wise for not having the Dolphins in the poll after Sunday's beatdown.

It's a pity Detroit and Kansas City don't play each other this season, a week 16 or 17 matchup with the #1 pick on the line would have been great.

[fantom1979]

Detroit, KC, and St. Louis are on the clock

[fantom1979]

dola

Cincy and Cleveland might not be far behind

[Matthean]

I think Detroit has potential because this team and staff may internally implode. Once that happens, there is no going back. So far all signs are pointing that way.

[Julio Riddols]

Anyone who doesn't think KC will be receiving the first pick is silly. Their QB situation would be better with me under center.

[Anthony]

they deserve it. Chris Sims and Joey Harrington and Daunte Culpepper were all available and they decided to stick with Huard, Croyle and Thigpen. granted, Sims,Harrington and Culpepper aren't gonna win you a Super Bowl, but neither was the current bunch of bums they have on their roster.

[kcchief19]

I'm really pushing for an 0-32 season for the state of Missouri. We've been bad but we need to hit rock bottom for King Carl and Herm to be shown the door. I was willing to give Herm a shot because he seems like a good guy and his Jets teams overachieved but the style of the league has passed him by and he gets too attached to favorites that suck.

The favorite debate in Missouri right now is how the Chiefs and Rams would fare against the Tigers. I have no reason to believe either team could stop the Missouri offense and I think the Chiefs are so bad on offense that a college team could indeed hold them in check.

I say the Chiefs trade down out of 1/2 and grab Maclin in the early first round, get Chase Coffman in the late first or second and take Daniel in the third or fouth and bring the spread to the NFL, baby!

[miami_fan]

Bump.

[MrDNA]

<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=4 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt1 width="50%">New York Jets </TD><TD class=alt2 width="50%"> </TD><TD class=alt1 title=Votes align=middle>4 (http://operationsports.com/fofc/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2609)</TD><TD class=alt2 noWrap align=right>3.28%</TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt1 width="50%">Kansas City Chiefs </TD><TD class=alt2 width="50%"> </TD><TD class=alt1 title=Votes align=middle>32 (http://operationsports.com/fofc/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2609)</TD><TD class=alt2 noWrap align=right>26.23%</TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt1 width="50%">Baltimore Ravens </TD><TD class=alt2 width="50%"> </TD><TD class=alt1 title=Votes align=middle>4 (http://operationsports.com/fofc/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2609)</TD><TD class=alt2 noWrap align=right>3.28%</TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt1 width="50%">Houston Texans </TD><TD class=alt2 width="50%"> </TD><TD class=alt1 title=Votes align=middle>2 (http://operationsports.com/fofc/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2609)</TD><TD class=alt2 noWrap align=right>1.64%</TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt1 width="50%">St. Louis Rams </TD><TD class=alt2 width="50%"> </TD><TD class=alt1 title=Votes align=middle>15 (http://operationsports.com/fofc/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2609)</TD><TD class=alt2 noWrap align=right>12.30%</TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt1 width="50%">Detroit Lions </TD><TD class=alt2 width="50%"> </TD><TD class=alt1 title=Votes align=middle>14 (http://operationsports.com/fofc/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2609)</TD><TD class=alt2 noWrap align=right>11.48%</TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt1 width="50%">Atlanta Falcons </TD><TD class=alt2 width="50%"> </TD><TD class=alt1 title=Votes align=middle>40 (http://operationsports.com/fofc/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2609)</TD><TD class=alt2 noWrap align=right>32.79%</TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt1 width="50%">Washington Redskins </TD><TD class=alt2 width="50%"> </TD><TD class=alt1 title=Votes align=middle>3 (http://operationsports.com/fofc/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2609)</TD><TD class=alt2 noWrap align=right>2.46%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

The choices that make us look like idiots are bolded. I voted Falcons! :crazy:

[bulletsponge]

i would like to pat myself on the back about my LOLions pick

[MizzouRah]

i would like to pat myself on the back about my LOLions pick

Me too with the Rams..

[Maple Leafs]

What are the odds that the "winner" of this poll makes the playoffs?

3-1? 4-1?Not looking like a bad bet so far.

[stevew]

With the first pick in the 2009 Draft, the Detroit LOLions select Michael Crabtree, Wide Receiver, Texas Tech.

Make it so!

[Fighter of Foo]

I'm going Lions with the bonus of Matt Millen actually getting fired.


So far, I'm "winning" :)

[MrDNA]

With the first pick in the 2009 Draft, the Detroit LOLions select Michael Crabtree, Wide Receiver, Texas Tech.

Make it so!

Dude, Matt Millen is unemployed. They'll probably take a punter instead.

[Sun Tzu]

It's amazing how bad the Lions are this year. They could actually go 0-16. Here's what their schedule looks like for the rest of the year.

Sunday, November 16 at Carolina Panthers
Sunday, November 23 TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Thursday, November 27 TENNESSEE TITANS
Sunday, December 7 MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Sunday, December 14 at Indianapolis Colts
Sunday, December 21 NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Sunday, December 28 at Green Bay Packers

The only winnable game I see for them is the Buccs. There's no way they stand a chance against the rest of them, unless GB sits all of their starters in the last game ala the 49ers of the 80's/90's.

[DaddyTorgo]

they don't have a chance against Minny?

[miami_fan]

After going through this shit last year, I would not wish that sort of thing on any fans, even Pats fans;)

I am calling for 2 wins.

[JediKooter]

It's definitely looking grim for the Lions after seeing the rest of their schedule. Now if they can just draft Matt Ryan and get Michael Turner from the Chargers, they should do pretty good next year....oh wait, never mind.

[Neuqua]

Apparently I never voted in this poll earlier.

So I just picked Detroit.

:)

[DeToxRox]

After going through this shit last year, I would not wish that sort of thing on any fans, even Pats fans;)

I am calling for 2 wins.

We pray for it brother. 0-16 is the only shot we have at blowing up the entire front office, outside of an entire bomb.

[RendeR]

they don't have a chance against Minny?


I dread actually posting in this thread but I have to respond here:

Have you SEEN Detroit's Defense? Minnesota will run through these guys like a whipped cream wall.....

[Matthean]

We pray for it brother. 0-16 is the only shot we have at blowing up the entire front office, outside of an entire bomb.

If 0-16 is going to happen to a team, no team would be a better historical fit then Detroit.

[DaddyTorgo]

nope - i haven't actually seen any of Detroit's games this year. Or Minny for that matter.

figured maybe DET could load up against Peterson and dare whatever POS Minny has at QB to do anything. But i see your point - it's not like they'd be favored in that matchup, just that maybe they have some attempt at a shot.

[GrantDawg]

At this point, I think it is really funny that Atlanta won the poll. :)

[Fighter of Foo]

It's amazing what professional coaches and GMs can accomplish versus amateurs.

[ISiddiqui]

At this point, I think it is really funny that Atlanta won the poll. :)

:D

Very, very pleasant surprise there. I still can't believe it.

[Kodos]

After going through this shit last year, I would not wish that sort of thing on any fans, even Pats fans;)


That's where you and I will have to differ, my friend.

[SFL Cat]

Quick, everyone who picked Atlanta go back and edit your posts... :)

My falconz looking good so far this season

[Kodos]

No Bengals option?

Always stick with a winner.
;)

[Kodos]

Congrats to our winners! Perfection can't be beat!

Apathetic Lurker, AZSpeechCoach, bhlloy, BIGdaddy, bulletsponge, Captain2711, ColtCrazy, CU Tiger, duckman, fantom1979, FBPro, GoCanes, GrantDawg, Green Caesar, Greyroofoo, INDalltheway, jeff061, Matthean, Neuqua, Rich1033, Router Help, sabotai, Samdari, Schmidty, SirFozzie, SlyBelle1, stevew, Sun Tzu, thealmighty, thesloppy, timmynausea, TLK, tripps04

[hoopsguy]

I voted Falcons, but the Dolphins should definitely be on the list.

Also, if you throw in the annual Mike Brown injury in the first couple of weeks your Chicago Bears would be a reasonable entry. Barring a Matt Forte breakout, they have the worst collection of "skill position" talent in the league. And this is coming from a guy who has been a Rex defender in years past.

Clearly I know football.

[larrymcg421]

The Dolphins will be selecting a DB with the #1.

Heh

[hoopsguy]

Oh, the Dolphins are crap too. I'll freely admit that. Especially after they traded away every single player who meant even a little to me. I like the Cowboys more than I like the Dolphins this year.

Wow, this should end up as a signature ...

[Kodos]

Well, as it turned out, even with Zach Thomas on the Cowboys, I still thoroughly enjoyed rooting against them. ;)

[Kodos]

Dola,

I doubt the Lions will be the worst team. They cant do anything right, including being bad enough to get the first overall pick.


Sometimes, a team manages to do EVERYTHING just right. :D

[Kodos]

What are the odds that the "winner" of this poll makes the playoffs?

3-1? 4-1?


Nice call.

[Kodos]

You got nothing to talk about Dolphin boy. I saw that Arizona game, they're still far worse than Cincinnati.

:p

This thread is awesome. Basically shows that nobody knows what they are talking about.

[flere-imsaho]

Wow, I picked Baltimore. I suck at this.

[Danny]

I picked Atlanta, but I thought the thread asked who will get the 21st pick overall in the 2009 draft.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I picked Atlanta, but I thought the thread asked who will get the 21st pick overall in the 2009 draft.
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