Forum Changes...

[Ben E Lou]

A few things...

POST COUNTS: I am playing with a way to keep user titles but stop displaying post counts in the postbit, because of all the recent silliness about them. I may remove it from the members list as well if there's more silliness.

SKINS: As I've mentioned before, they are not set up properly here at all in the parent-child style that we really need in order to do some easy modding. I've trimmed those down to the top five that y'all voted on a while back (IMPORTANT POLL: What skin do you use? - Front Office Football Central (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=65663)). This will be helpful going forward.

DELETING THREADS: Non-mods can no longer do this, again due to the recent silliness. (It's fairly likely that I left off one or more of the "side" groups, but I can address that as it comes up.)

ASSHATTERY: While I was working on these changes, a few of you chose to act like asshats by abusing signatures and post reporting. As a result, you are facing temporary sanctions (one day).

[ace1914]

ASSHATTERY:


Please define an asshat for me so I can avoid being called one.

[RendeR]

You know, you've overblown situations in the past, but this just looks kinda stupid Ben.

The only thing I agree with here is the deleting threads bit, never should have been available to joe-user. The rest is irrelevent and/or assinine. take your pick, whichever view makes you warm and fuzzy.

[Young Drachma]

YOU ARE MEEN!

[saldana]

Please define an asshat for me so I can avoid being called one.

just dont do anything stupid that intentionally pisses people off or annoys them

[RendeR]

just dont do anything stupid that intentionally pisses people off or annoys them


Use your napkin and lay it in your lap, don;t touch the crystal before you are served and for god's sake never look them in the EYE, NEVER, they'll KEEEEL YOU!!!!

[Raiders Army]

I gotta say that if your post count showing by your name means so much to you, you need to get out more.

I don't put my FOFC title on my business card, FWIW. Maybe just me, but who cares?

[Young Drachma]

I don't put my FOFC title on my business card, FWIW. Maybe just me, but who cares?

Staples.com® (http://www.staples.com/sbd/cre/marketing/bts07pr/products-socialcards.html)

[saldana]

I gotta say that if your post count showing by your name means so much to you, you need to get out more.

I don't put my FOFC title on my business card, FWIW. Maybe just me, but who cares?

see...thats the difference...i just got new business cards printed...what the hell am i supposed to do with 1,000 cards that say "College Benchwarmer"

[Raiders Army]

see...thats the difference...i just got new business cards printed...what the hell am i supposed to do with 1,000 cards that say "College Benchwarmer"

Wait a few years. I'm sure in a few years that the thresholds for titles will change and if you just lurk here and don't post you'll be back to College Benchwarmer. All you need is a little discipline.

C'mon, what's more important to you?

[Cringer]

Haha, everyone lost posts (kind of). I love it.

[saldana]

Wait a few years. I'm sure in a few years that the thresholds for titles will change and if you just lurk here and don't post you'll be back to College Benchwarmer. All you need is a little discipline.

C'mon, what's more important to you?

if they would just give me the custom title i want, i wouldnt have to worry about it?

[spleen1015]

What's worse?

People caring about post counts or Skydog caring about people caring about post counts?

Now I will never see 3000.

[cthomer5000]

This is a positive change. Long overdue.

[Cringer]

If you check your profile or the member list you will. That is why Ben said... may remove it from the members list as well if there's more silliness.

[Anthony]

i'm having Hell Atlantic in my sig.

if you don't like it then ban me. that's as simple as it's gonna get.

hut one, hut two, hut three
hut!
ole dirty bastard
live and uncut
style's unshakable
shatterproof
to my young youth
you wanna get guns?
shoot.

[Buccaneer]

This is a positive change. Long overdue.

+1

[Ben E Lou]

What's worse?

People caring about post counts or Skydog caring about people caring about post counts?

Now I will never see 3000.To be clear, I don't particularly care that people care. I care that they are bugging the mods and me about it. :p

[Groundhog]

I'm just happy that this will stop people deleting old threads.

[claphamsa]

A few things...



ASSHATTERY: While I was working on these changes, a few of you chose to act like asshats by abusing signatures and post reporting. As a result, you are facing temporary sanctions (one day).


u cant ban Subby!

[Senator]

Has anyone refused to accept a ban?

[Kodos]

+1


+2

[SirFozzie]

-7

[RendeR]

*finishes painting the swastikas over the FOFC logos....*

[RendeR]

;)

[Pyser]

i miss post counts

[Logan]

-7

-7,265 (as of this post)




Seriously...this is all excellent to me.

[EagleFan]

So basically we have two people who posted threads about nearing a post count "landmark" and then people who started deleting threads and what appear to be mods who started childishly screwing with the numbers. The solution is to take away post numbers and slap people on the wrist who objected, much of it jokingly? That's some REALLY messed up logic.

Personally I think the mods who started screwing with the numbers to inflame the situation should be the ones facing some sort of penalty. They (or this person if it was just one) clearly abused their power just to be asshats.

[Schmidty]

I don't give a crap about post counts or join date.

It's about the content of the post more than it is about the number of of inane post bolsters.

I think this is a good thing. I love FOFC, not my stature here.

[GrantDawg]

Posting to see if I was banned. No? Ok.

[Groundhog]

I don't give a crap about post counts or join date.

It's about the content of the post more than it is about the number of of inane post bolsters.

I think this is a good thing. I love FOFC, not my stature here.

+1

[Kodos]

Now we ALL know how it must feel to be a werewolf.














ARROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Ben E Lou]

...and what appear to be mods who started childishly screwing with the numbers. The solution is to take away post numbers and slap people on the wrist who objected, much of it jokingly? That's some REALLY messed up logic.

Personally I think the mods who started screwing with the numbers to inflame the situation should be the ones facing some sort of penalty. They (or this person if it was just one) clearly abused their power just to be asshats.I was messing with different ways to hide the post count. I didn't want to go through the hassle of editing the postbit template for all of the dozen or so skins that are here, so I was playing with the idea of just counting posts for no forums, which would have reduced everyone's post count to zero. In that process, I did several rebuilds of post counts earlier this evening which caused, I'm sure, some pretty wild variations. (For example, in one iteration I intended to have posts count in no forums in one of the refreshes, but left off the dynasty forums and the soccer forum.) But then it was suggested to me that it might be good to have the titles around without the post counts, so I remembered the poll I had taken, and got rid of the rarely/never used templates, and just edited out the postcount stuff from postbits in the five that now remain.

So, bottom line: it was multiple rebuilds of post counts by me, not some rogue mod screwing around, that probably caused a lot of variance in post counts today.

[ISiddiqui]

Please define an asshat for me so I can avoid being called one.

The opening post is a good example.

[claphamsa]

Now we ALL know how it must feel to be a werewolf.














ARROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!




subby is that you?

[EagleFan]

Wrong. I was messing with different ways to hide the post count. I didn't want to go through the hassle of editing the postbit template for all of the dozen or so skins that are here, so I was playing with the idea of just counting posts for no forums, which would have reduced everyone's post count to zero. In that process, I did several rebuilds of post counts earlier this evening which caused, I'm sure, some pretty wild variations. (For example, in one iteration I intended to have posts count in no forums in one of the refreshes, but left off the dynasty forums and the soccer forum.) But then it was suggested to me that it might be good to have the titles around without the post counts, so I remembered the poll I had taken, and got rid of the rarely/never used templates, and just edited out the postcount stuff from postbits in the five that now remain.

So, bottom line: it was multiple rebuilds of post counts by me, not some rogue mod screwing around, that probably caused a lot of variance in post counts today.


It seemed odd that only RendeR's post counts were being drastically altered during this time period. It was obvious in the thread that only his were being drastically changed. Everyone was getting some flux but while other dropped just a couple hundred he dropped to near 0.

Overall the biggest problem here was people messing around and deleting threads. In the overall scheme of things how much does it matter that Lathum hit 10,000 or RendeR hit 6,000?

Personally I kind of like the post counts. I only know the major players on here for the most part and sometimes I have seen post from someone and not realized just how active they have been (though I had missed what they had been posting entirely) and see that someone who I though was just a lurker was actual an active member that I hadn't noticed.

[RendeR]

7956

[RendeR]

7957

it would appear that there are a couple thousand of my posts that were not being counted for whatever reason to begin with. I was at 6000 when this got started, but when I search for posts by this user I get the number above.

Whyso?

[Lathum]

Overall the biggest problem here was people messing around and deleting threads. In the overall scheme of things how much does it matter that Lathum hit 10,000 or RendeR hit 6,000?



I have seen you reference this twice now.

I just want to point out that there have been a number of "milestone" posts and I fully expected a thread to be deleted knocking me down.

But IMO the second and third time it happened it crosses into asshatery.

[RendeR]

7958

So EF, i suppose it doesn't matter that its not always visible, one can always find one's post count if one were to wish to find one's post count.

[Ben E Lou]

It seemed odd that only RendeR's post counts were being drastically altered during this time period. It was obvious in the thread that only his were being drastically changed. Everyone was getting some flux but while other dropped just a couple hundred he dropped to near 0.

Overall the biggest problem here was people messing around and deleting threads. In the overall scheme of things how much does it matter that Lathum hit 10,000 or RendeR hit 6,000?

Personally I kind of like the post counts. I only know the major players on here for the most part and sometimes I have seen post from someone and not realized just how active they have been (though I had missed what they had been posting entirely) and see that someone who I though was just a lurker was actual an active member that I hadn't noticed.I'm fairly certain that mine dropped by, oh, 15,000 during that time. ;) Part of the changes depended on what forums you did or did not post in.

Agree on the deleted threads. It's almost a "tradition" now that it happens when someone starts one of those threads. I'd never really thought about it, but when I did, I couldn't think of a compelling reason to let users delete threads. It can be a royal pain to find and restore them if they pick the right ones. (I'm pretty sure that some are in effect lost forever just because we're not likely to find them.) It's quite uncommon for someone to double-post a thread, and even more uncommon for someone to regret a thread shortly after it's posted and want to delete it. In either case, they can PM me or any mod and we'll just take care of it.

[Lathum]

The WW posts were skewed, that is probably why Renders seems screwey, mine were and I know Saldanas were also

[RendeR]

I'm fairly certain that mine dropped by, oh, 15,000 during that time. ;) Part of the changes depended on what forums you did or did not post in.

Agree on the deleted threads. It's almost a "tradition" now that it happens when someone starts one of those threads. I'd never really thought about it, but when I did, I couldn't think of a compelling reason to let users delete threads. It can be a royal pain to find and restore them if they pick the right ones. (I'm pretty sure that some are in effect lost forever just because we're not likely to find them.) It's quite uncommon for someone to double-post a thread, and even more uncommon for someone to regret a thread shortly after it's posted and want to delete it. In either case, they can PM me or any mod and we'll just take care of it.


If that then solved the problem, why all the rest of the changes? why overkill?

[RendeR]

7979 now according to the members list. Why would the membership listing and the search function return different results?

[claphamsa]

I went from 0 to 30, and i thought i was cool before!

[EagleFan]

Ah, I thought the entire post count was wiped out, didn't realize I can still find it, just need to click the user's ID (sorry, was too lazy to do that other click before :) ).

[EagleFan]

Was going to post an over/under on RendeR ending up in the box, I guess that contest was over before it started...

[claphamsa]

hlly crap. 2700........

[Ben E Lou]

Ah, I thought the entire post count was wiped out, didn't realize I can still find it, just need to click the user's ID (sorry, was too lazy to do that other click before :) ).Yes. It would be a royal pain to remove it from everywhere that it exists in vbulletin. As many things that can be turned on and off in vbulletin via the control panel, it's a bit surprising that this isn't one of them. It requires removing the HTML and code that generates it in the various places. *shurg*

[EagleFan]

Of course while everyne isreading here they might as well take a couple minutes away from the semi-drama and check out 2008 FOFC Season Predictions - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=66357)

Just a couple more games left to pick... :D

[Izulde]

I'll admit, I don't like the removal of post counts from posts. I understand the reasoning behind it, but it just looks bizzare and is giving me considerable cognitive dissonance.

Mods being the only ones allowed to delete threads I'm perfectly fine with.

[MJ4H]

I approve of these changes. Post counts as a topic of conversation are annoying as hell. I can't believe anyone really gives a crap.

[Tasan]

I miss Habitae already.....yellow sucks.....

I'll tip a 40 in its memory tonight.

[Schmidty]

Yay, although I feel bad for my wife.





Not really.

[claphamsa]

hlly crap. 2700........

this still baffles me. has anyone ever said so much without saying anything meaningful before? i mean WOW! i never thought of myself as a frequet poster.

i kinda wish i had never seen this, now i feel like i wasted peoples time (maybe not lathums)

[Draft Dodger]

geez, some guy plans a trip to the Holy Land, and he starts acting like a diety...

[Subby]

u cant ban Subby!
Hey look it *does* have the capacity to learn rudimentary facts!

[DaddyTorgo]

Yay, although I feel bad for my wife.





Not really.

I feel bad for her too!


oh wait...you don't mean because she's married to you...nevermind. ;)

[EagleFan]

vote clap

[Subby]

geez, some guy plans a trip to the Holy Land, and he starts acting like a diety...
Are you still dietying?

[claphamsa]

Hey look it *does* have the capacity to learn rudimentary facts!


boooo! one day im gonna run into you in DC. and im gonna pee on you! just saying.

[claphamsa]

vote clap

moi?

[Subby]

boooo! one day im gonna run into you in DC. and im gonna pee on you! just saying.
Don't you usually charge for that? I don't want to cut into your revenue stream or anything.

[claphamsa]

hmm, no your taxes pay me no matter what!

[Lathum]

Don't you usually charge for that? I don't want to cut into your revenue stream or anything.

intentional?

[stevew]

Few things

Are there any mobile friendly skins we could possibly look to add? Maybe I'm an exception but I find myself mobile browsing a ton these days.

The recent deletions/look at my post count theads. Were stupid. I love looking through some of the stuff I wrote 5 years ago and would hate to lose it to a stupid game. fofc is the closest thing I have to a journal

Re point 2. Looking through a lot of the old stuff I wrote made me realize I've been an ass much too much so if I offended you at some point I'd like to apologize. .

[TCY Junkie]

intentional?

I'm going to go out on a really thick limb and say yes

[DanGarion]

To be clear, I don't particularly care that people care. I care that they are bugging the mods and me about it. :p
Well you could always make it so people can't delete started threads after *** minutes that would stop thread deleting asshatery.

[DanGarion]

ASSHATTERY: While I was working on these changes, a few of you chose to act like asshats by abusing signatures and post reporting. As a result, you are facing temporary sanctions (one day).
Abusing signatures would be doing something over and over, not once. IMO. But I didn't write the definition in the dictionary...


Main Entry:
abuse
Pronunciation:
\ə-ˈbyüs\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Middle French abus, from Latin abusus, from abuti to consume, from ab- + uti to use
Date:
15th century
improper or excessive use or treatment : misuse <drug abuse> <abuse of tranquilizers>

[TCY Junkie]

Abusing signatures would be doing something over and over, not once. IMO. But I didn't write the definition in the dictionary...


Main Entry:
abuse
Pronunciation:
\ə-ˈbyüs\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Middle French abus, from Latin abusus, from abuti to consume, from ab- + uti to use
Date:
15th century
improper or excessive use or treatment : misuse <drug abuse=""> <abuse of="" tranquilizers="">

So if someone hit their spouse one time, its not abuse. Thanks, I didn't know that.

</abuse></drug>

[cuervo72]

Hey look it *does* have the capacity to learn rudimentary facts!

http://www.thefobl.com/forums/images/avatars/apollo_creed.jpg

[MizzouRah]

I'll admit, I don't like the removal of post counts from posts. I understand the reasoning behind it, but it just looks bizzare and is giving me considerable cognitive dissonance.

Mods being the only ones allowed to delete threads I'm perfectly fine with.

+1

[ace1914]

The opening post is a good example.

Thanks. I'll keep that and this post in mind.

[DanGarion]

So if someone hit their spouse one time, its not abuse. Thanks, I didn't know that.

</abuse></drug>

I would think that abuse depends on why they hit their spouse. Doesn't it?

[WVUFAN]

I would think that abuse depends on why they hit their spouse. Doesn't it?

No, it really doesn't. One hit, regardless of the reason, is abuse.

[Chubby]

mountain, molehill.

lame.

[JAG]

So with this change, will jbmagic be getting his edit button back?

[Dr. Sak]

How does one wear a hat on their ass I ask?

[JeeberD]

Man, all the drama happens on the days that I can't log on...

[Passacaglia]

I'm fairly certain that mine dropped by, oh, 15,000 during that time. ;) Part of the changes depended on what forums you did or did not post in.

Agree on the deleted threads. It's almost a "tradition" now that it happens when someone starts one of those threads. I'd never really thought about it, but when I did, I couldn't think of a compelling reason to let users delete threads. It can be a royal pain to find and restore them if they pick the right ones. (I'm pretty sure that some are in effect lost forever just because we're not likely to find them.) It's quite uncommon for someone to double-post a thread, and even more uncommon for someone to regret a thread shortly after it's posted and want to delete it. In either case, they can PM me or any mod and we'll just take care of it.

FYI, the thing EagleFan was referring to actually happened before the widespread post count hit -- this is fairly obvious from reading his "6000" thread. His post count going down to 0 at that time suggests mod involvement.

[MikeVic]

I don't like these changes too much.

[Maple Leafs]

I'd just like to go on record as not giving a shit.

[larrymcg421]

Abusing signatures would be doing something over and over, not once. IMO. But I didn't write the definition in the dictionary...


Main Entry:
abuse
Pronunciation:
\ə-ˈbyüs\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Middle French abus, from Latin abusus, from abuti to consume, from ab- + uti to use
Date:
15th century
improper or excessive use or treatment : misuse <DRUG abuse><ABUSE tranquilizers of>

I disagree with your interpretation of the definition. Improper or excessive means it can be one or the other. I don't see why it would have to be repetitive.

[larrymcg421]

dola

I'd just like to say that it amuses me to no end that some of the biggest shitstorms started here are over post counts.

[DanGarion]

No, it really doesn't. One hit, regardless of the reason, is abuse.
Um, right. So if a husband is verbally abusing his wife day in a day out and never lays a hand on her, the moment she hits him she has physically abused him... right...

[path12]

I'd just like to go on record as not giving a shit.

I second this emotion.

[Scarecrow]

Are there any mobile friendly skins we could possibly look to add? Maybe I'm an exception but I find myself mobile browsing a ton these days.

Don't want to lose this in the middle of all the prissies getting their panties in a bunch over something as stupid as the number of times they hit the 'Submit Reply' button in the past 7 years.

[Oilers9911]

So if someone hit their spouse one time, its not abuse. Thanks, I didn't know that.



Sweet screaming Jesus on a blessed wholewheat cracker. I agree with TCY Junkie. HELP!

[gkb]

Huh. Get busy at work and end up missing FOFC drama. Meh.

[Senator]

you missed nothing

[MikeVic]

Thinking about it more... I'm ok with the changes. The information and exchanges here are important to me, so I like that only mods can delete that stuff now. And we can still see our post counts if we want, so nothing much has changed there.

[Draft Dodger]

speaking of changes, since this breaking news was released in what I assume to be the most traveled subforum, does it really make sense to call this place "off topic"? Perhaps "General Discussion" or something would make more sense?

[EagleFan]

FYI, the thing EagleFan was referring to actually happened before the widespread post count hit -- this is fairly obvious from reading his "6000" thread. His post count going down to 0 at that time suggests mod involvement.

Thank you, so it wasn't me going crazy. I can't see that as being a rebuild due to forum usage with his count dropping to 0 and no-one else having a drastic cut at that point. This seemed to be a few hours before the other changes came about.

[saldana]

Thank you, so it wasn't me going crazy. I can't see that as being a rebuild due to forum usage with his count dropping to 0 and no-one else having a drastic cut at that point. This seemed to be a few hours before the other changes came about.

i disagree (i know you are stunned i am disagreeing with you). i was on the board most of the afternoon yesterday as I was home from work, sick, and i noticed my own post count, as well as alot of other people's varying wildly throughout the day. I think at one point i was down to HS Mascot.

[Subby]

EagleFan is right but honestly - what fun is being a mod if you can't harmlessly fuck with a few people once in a while?

[MJ4H]

I know that post was in jest, but being a mod isn't supposed to be fun. If it is, you are doing it wrong.