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AgPete
03-27-2003, 08:13 PM
If it turns out to be more than a few Al Qaeda members, this would do miracles for homefront support of the war and perhaps give us more international support. I just hope Iraq isn't becoming another 1980's Afghanistan.


Al-Qaeda fighting with Iraqis, British claim
March 28 2003, 9:41 AM
(http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/28/1048653833092.html)

Near Basra, Iraq: British military interrogators claim captured Iraqi soldiers have told them that al-Qaeda terrorists are fighting on the side of Saddam Hussein's forces against allied troops near Basra.

At least a dozen members of Osama bin Laden's network are in the town of Az Zubayr where they are coordinating grenade and gun attacks on coalition positions, according to the Iraqi prisoners of war.

It was believed that last night (Thursday) British forces were preparing a military strike on the base where the al-Qaeda unit was understood to be holed up.

A senior British military source inside Iraq said: "The information we have received from PoWs today is that an al-Qaeda cell may be operating in Az Zubayr. There are possibly around a dozen of them and that is obviously a matter of concern to us."

If terrorists are found, it would be the first proof of a direct link between Saddam's regime and Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of the 11 September attacks on New York and Washington.

The connection would give credibility to the argument that Tony Blair used to justify war against Saddam - a "nightmare scenario" in which he might eventually pass weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.

On Wednesday Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, said the coalition had solid evidence that senior al-Qaeda operatives have visited Baghdad in the past.

Rumsfeld said Saddam had an "evolving" relationship with the terror network.

The presence of fanatical al-Qaeda terrorists would go some way to explaining the continued resistance to US and British forces in southern Iraq, an area dominated by Shi'ite Muslims traditionally hostile to

Saddam's regime.

Heavy fighting continued around the besieged city of Basra yesterday after British forces destroyed 14 Iraqi tanks which had struck out towards the Al Faw peninsula.

Military commanders have decided against launching an attack on Basra because of fears the operation would result in a Stalingrad-style street battle.

It is estimated the Iraqi military forces in the area have been reduced to 30 per cent fighting strength but have now embedded themselves within civilian buildings in the city.

Armed raids have destroyed transmitters and taken state radio and television off the air in Basra and effectively cutting off its communications with Baghdad.

British tanks from the 7th Armoured Brigade, the Desert Rats, could be sent into Basra if there is a sudden civilian uprising against Saddam's forces.

Last night, forces around the city heard loud explosions as coalition helicopter gunships were sent into the area.

This is a pooled despatch from Gethin Chamberlain of The Scotsman.

JPhillips
03-27-2003, 08:53 PM
This fits with the report I heard of people going into Iraq from Jordan. The reporter claimed that at least a hundred had crossed over claiming they were going to fight against the US. I don't know if any of them were truly Al-Queda, but the thought of muslims obeying a call to jihad in Iraq is extremely frightening.

dawgfan
03-27-2003, 08:54 PM
If members of Al Qaeda are fighting the coalition forces alongside the Iraqis, it proves simply that they hate us more than they do the infidel regime of Saddam. It does not prove anything more than this.

AgPete
03-27-2003, 09:01 PM
Dawgfan, this is an excerpt from an article I posted out of the National Review. You can find the original article here. (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7048)

3. The Crusader factor. One thing this war has highlighted, and will likely highlight much more if we show signs of faltering, is the fact that all of Arab opinion is dominated by one single emotion: Outrage that infidels should dare to occupy Arab land. This was the chief complaint of Osama bin Laden, remember. It is this, combined with atavistic Jew-hatred, that stokes the fury over "Palestine." It is this that is bringing expatriate Iraqis home to fight for the disgusting Baath regime, if Sky News can be believed. There are other factors in play, of course — hatred of modernity, religious passion, the failure of Arab socialism, and so on. Visible beneath all else, though, like the waters that are under the earth, flows this strong, steady current of fierce attachment to "our lands," and horror at and defiance of the "Crusaders" who enter them.

This is a very hard thing for us to understand, as it does not correspond to any modern political motivations. It is not nationalism; it is not an ideology; it is not utopian; it is unconcerned with constitutionalism or freedom. Yet it is the strongest emotion in play here, and unless we come to terms with it, everythig we do, or attempt to do, in the Middle East will turn to dust. I am not sure it has yet dawned on many of us how very, very backward the Arabs are.

Yes, it means they're hypocrites if they're willing to fight with Hussein but I think it's important to remember how that part of the world views us. This is even more worrisome to me now that reports are coming out that this war could take several months to complete. The longer Al-Jazeera airs footage of dead Muslims, the more inclined some of these factions will be to join the fray in their own capacity as guerilla fighters. I hope we did some damage in Afghanistan because some of these recently relocated terrorists could now have a whole new cause to the west.

dawgfan
03-27-2003, 09:42 PM
I've always felt that a U.S. led invasion of Iraq without support from our Middle-Eastern allies is certain to produce a much greater level of hatred against America among the Arab world than existed previously, and will result in an increase in the number of terrorists targeting the U.S. and an increase in the willingness of non-terrorist citizens in these countries to support their activities.

Nothing I've seen so far lends any credence to the claim that Saddam Hussein has direct ties with Al Qaeda or vice versa. They believe he and his regime are infidels as well. The fact that Al Qaeda hates the U.S. more than Iraq and is willing to fight alongside Iraqis against the infidel Americans is a temporary alliance (if it can even be called that).

The idea that this military action will make the U.S. safer is far from certain; we have our work cut out for us after this conflict is over in rebuilding trust and respect for America among those in the Arab world. As it stands now I fear we've done nothing more than stir up the hornet's nest - while there will always be fringe elements such as Al Qaeda and Hezbollah and the like, actions like this war will undoubtably serve to swell the ranks of those vehemently opposed to the U.S. and make terrorism more likely, not less.