So why exactly was MJ4H boxed?

[Chubby]

I mean, I don't expect anything but some halfassed response because everything is so damn cloak and dagger here but I'd like to know why exactly he was boxed. This and all the conversation about it can stay in this thread.

[DeToxRox]

I'd assume his poker dynasty. Had some spoilers of pictures of girls. Nothing wrong with any of the ones I saw, but now the dynasty appears to be deleted.

[MacroGuru]

I'd assume his poker dynasty. Had some spoilers of pictures of girls. Nothing wrong with any of the ones I saw, but now the dynasty appears to be deleted.

His original was deleted, he started a second and linked to his twitter account where he posted the links to the girls...so I do not know what he did, other than that it was all bullshit. I rarely speak my mind, but there have been worse pictures posted here and nothing done and all of his pics were linked to his photobucket account.

[hoopsguy]

Really? Even with having every single pic as a spoiler and no pr0n at all?

[hoopsguy]

Dola - there was some interesting poker conversation in there as well, I'm disappointed that the entire thread was deleted if that is indeed the case.

[Flasch186]

{shrug}

[RendeR]

Just another example of "it doesn't matter what others do its up to ME (whomever ME is)

There was nothing really out of hand in that thread at all, especially compared to a number of others.

[RedKingGold]

I always enjoy when the peons threaten to rise up against the lords.

Get some land first, a-holes.

[stevew]

A worksafe link monitor doesn't give a shit about spoiler tags

One person not being able to visit FOFC at work is one too many.

But the pics were very good and I'm sorry they are gone.

[jeff061]

Quick, lets make this topic POL now.

[jeff061]

Does a work safe link monitor give a shit about photobucket?

[stevew]

Hell if I know.

Attitude will also get you boxed if you're not special either.

He was possibly violating the "don't be an asshat" clause as well.

Shrug.

[Mustang]

Quick, lets make this topic POL now.

President Roosevelt was boxed.

http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/graph%20harv%20col/HC5.jpg

[sterlingice]

I always enjoy when the peons threaten to rise up against the lords.

Get some land first, a-holes.

I like this line :)

SI

[Cringer]

Everyone on this board should be boxed at some point, it would do some good IMO.

[RendeR]

You first.

[Cringer]

You first.

I had my turn, though it's been years now so I could use another I guess.

[RendeR]

VOTE BOX CRINGER

[thesloppy]

That's why I don't read FOFC, it's garbage. And the mod that let it happen is garbage. Attacking MJ4H for doing everything right. And then you want to talk about guys that don't do things right, and downgrade 'em, the ones that do make posts. Are you kidding me? Where are we at in our society today? COME AFTER ME! I'M A MAN! I'M 40!

[RendeR]

PING drunk thread =======>

[tarcone]

VOTE BOX CRINGER

I second

[Pumpy Tudors]

That's why I don't read FOFC, it's garbage. And the mod that let it happen is garbage. Attacking MJ4H for doing everything right. And then you want to talk about guys that don't do things right, and downgrade 'em, the ones that do make posts. Are you kidding me? Where are we at in our society today? COME AFTER ME! I'M A MAN! I'M 40!
LOL

Liking this.

[stevew]

The Mods are what we thought they were; they’re what we thought they were. We posted here in the dynasty thread— who the hell deletes a dynasty thread like it’s bullshit, BULLSHIT!?

We posted on the forum— the links were in Spoiler tags — the Mods are who we thought they were! And that’s why we made the damn thread. Now if you want to crown them, then crown their ass! But they are who we thought they were, and we let ‘em off the hook!

[TCY Junkie]

I feel it is all my fault. I like girls and I'm on a text sim board. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one that likes to see a girl that isn't being stuffed with stuff or being pooped on. I feel MJ4H wouldn't have posted it if it wasn't for me, why not put me in there and let him out.

[Mustang]

why not put me in there and let him out.

Because no one pays attention to you anyways.

:D

[stevew]

blair witch project, right?

-nevermind.

[ThunderingHERD]

Son, we live in a world that has NSFW links. And this forum has to be guarded by men with a ban button. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Chubby? The mods have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for MJ4H and you curse the mods. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that MJ4H's boxing, while tragic, probably saved jobs. And their existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves jobs. You don't want the truth--because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want them on this forum. You need them on this forum.

[BYU 14]

That's why I don't read FOFC, it's garbage. And the mod that let it happen is garbage. Attacking MJ4H for doing everything right. And then you want to talk about guys that don't do things right, and downgrade 'em, the ones that do make posts. Are you kidding me? Where are we at in our society today? COME AFTER ME! I'M A MAN! I'M 40!

Classic!

[dawgfan]

While I get that the mods don't like debating whether someone should've been boxed or banned, I do think it's weak the the "why" of MJ4H's boxing hasn't been explained - how can we know for sure what's OK to post and what isn't without an explanation of why whatever he did was wrong?

[Cringer]

It was clearly done because we haven't had this thread for the 1,000,000,000th time yet. Only a few more and we are there though, keep up the hard work.

[BishopMVP]

Son, we live in a world that has NSFW links. And this forum has to be guarded by men with a ban button. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Chubby? The mods have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for MJ4H and you curse the mods. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that MJ4H's boxing, while tragic, probably saved jobs. And their existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves jobs. You don't want the truth--because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want them on this forum. You need them on this forum.+1

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[MIJB#19]

Son, we live in a world that has NSFW links. And this forum has to be guarded by men with a ban button. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Chubby? The mods have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for MJ4H and you curse the mods. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that MJ4H's boxing, while tragic, probably saved jobs. And their existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves jobs. You don't want the truth--because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want them on this forum. You need them on this forum.What are you saying, Chubby should try being a mod at this board for a while? I think he's been there and did a darn fine job at that.

[sterlingice]

That's why I don't read FOFC, it's garbage. And the mod that let it happen is garbage. Attacking MJ4H for doing everything right. And then you want to talk about guys that don't do things right, and downgrade 'em, the ones that do make posts. Are you kidding me? Where are we at in our society today? COME AFTER ME! I'M A MAN! I'M 40!

Nicely done, sloppy Leach ;)

Wait? Sloppy Leach? That could definitely be a band name.

SI

[ThunderingHERD]

What are you saying, Chubby should try being a mod at this board for a while? I think he's been there and did a darn fine job at that.

I'm not saying anything. I thought this thread was about quote parodies.

[Ksyrup]

FWIW, I haven't been around since Friday and don't see any discussion of this in the Mod Forum, so...?

[Dr. Sak]

Nicely done, sloppy Leach ;)

Wait? Sloppy Leach? That could definitely be a band name.

SI


You mean Sloppy Gundy?

[MikeVic]

While I get that the mods don't like debating whether someone should've been boxed or banned, I do think it's weak the the "why" of MJ4H's boxing hasn't been explained - how can we know for sure what's OK to post and what isn't without an explanation of why whatever he did was wrong?

This.

I know I post pics of women on these forums once in awhile, and MJ4H didn't break any rules that I saw... so are there new rules? Maybe level of hotness in one thread cannot succeed something something?

[Dutch]

If I can't post on FOFC, I can't post on FOFC. It is as simple as that. It ain't about that at all. It's easy to sum it up if you're just talking about posting on FOFC. We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be playing FOF, and we're talking about FOFC. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about FOFC, not FOF, not FOF, not FOF, but we're talking about FOFC. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it's my last but we're talking about FOFC, man. How silly is that?
Now I know that I'm supposed to lead by example and all that but I'm not shoving that aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I honestly do but we're talking about FOFC. We're talking about FOFC, man. We're talking about FOFC. We're talking about FOFC. We're not talking about FOF. We're talking about FOFC. When you come to FOF MP web-sites, and you see me play, you've seen me play right, you've seen me give everything I've got, but we're talking about FOFC right now.

[Noop]

That's why I don't read FOFC, it's garbage. And the mod that let it happen is garbage. Attacking MJ4H for doing everything right. And then you want to talk about guys that don't do things right, and downgrade 'em, the ones that do make posts. Are you kidding me? Where are we at in our society today? COME AFTER ME! I'M A MAN! I'M 40!

:thumbsup:

Kudos to you my friend.

[larrymcg421]

We few, we happy few, we band of posters;
For he to-day that blasts the mods with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen on FOFC now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon MJ4H day.

[Radii]

Son, we live in a world that has NSFW links. And this forum has to be guarded by men with a ban button. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Chubby? The mods have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for MJ4H and you curse the mods. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that MJ4H's boxing, while tragic, probably saved jobs. And their existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves jobs. You don't want the truth--because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want them on this forum. You need them on this forum.

winner so far, but very solid efforts all around.

[Tigercat]

Well, boys ... I haven't a thing to say.
Made a great thread...all of you. Great thread.
I guess we just can't expect to unbox ‘em all.
I'm going to tell you something I've kept to myself for years --
None of you ever knew Wig...
It was long before your time.
But you know what a tradition he is at FOFC...
And the last thing he said to me -- "Tigercat," he said -
"sometime, when the board is up against it -- and the
Mods are beating the boys -- tell them to go out there
with all they got and win just one for the Wignifty...
I don't know where I'll be then, Tigercat", he said - "but
I'll know about it - and I'll be happy."

[Wolfpack]

I'll play... :D

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify posters. I realized that not all are actually good posters. See, most every poster on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but some do not. They move to an area, and multiply, and multiply, until every thread and forum is consumed! The only way they can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern... A virus. These posters are a disease, a cancer of this planet, they are a plague, and we are the cure.

[Coffee Warlord]

I wish I could tell you that MJ4H fought the good fight, and the Mods let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but FOFC is no fairy-tale world. He never said who did it, but we all knew. Things went on like that for awhile - boxing consists of routine, and then more routine. Every so often, the mods would box someone for no reason. The posters kept on them - sometimes they would get an explanation, sometimes not. And that's how it went for FOFC - that was the routine.

[sabotai]

FWIW, I haven't been around since Friday and don't see any discussion of this in the Mod Forum, so...?

In that case, Ben or Ryan did this or one of the mods is overstepping boundaries (that is if the rules Ben laid out in the original commitee announcement - Moderation Announcement - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=47664&highlight=mod+commitee) - are still in place). And deleting threads is not something Ben or Ryan have been known to do....

An explanation for why the original thread was deleted would be nice. I didn't see any pic in there that was worse than many of the other pics posted in other threads.

[judicial clerk]

I think he should be boxed for pushing that druggie matt jones for the heisman all these years.

His poker thread, however, puts him in the dynasty thread hall of fame next to devaneyfan

[sterlingice]

You mean Sloppy Gundy?

Sorry, yeah, wrong Big XII coach

SI

[Dr. Sak]

Sorry, yeah, wrong Big XII coach

SI

It's hard to keep track of the crazy coaches in that conference.

[Matthean]

I'm surprised nobody has tried this yet in this thread...


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_C7Ojr4OIXWQ/R9otMg6MvvI/AAAAAAAAAKg/F078v4l0JF0/s1600/56334472_62836b2094_o.jpg

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[JPhillips]

I’ll tell you one fucking thing, I hope FOFC gets fucking hotter than shit, just to stuff it up them 3,000 fucking posters that show up every fucking day. Because if they’re the real FOF fucking fans, they can kiss my ass right downtown – and print it!

The fuckers don’t even work. That’s why they’re out at fucking FOFC. They oughta go out and get a fucking job and find out what it’s like to go out and earn a goddamn living. Eighty-five percent of the fucking world is working. The other 15 come out here.

So what I’m tryin’ to say is don’t rip them fucking mods out there. Rip MJ4H. If you wanna rip somebody, rip his ass. But don’t rip them fucking mods because they’re giving everything they can give. Once they hit that fucking groove, it’ll flow. And it will flow.

[larrymcg421]

MJ4H Graduates!!
MJ4H Graduates!!
MJ4H Graduates!!
MJ4H Graduates!!
MJ4H Graduates!!
MJ4H Graduates!!

[cuervo72]

We talkin' bout spoilers, man. I mean how silly is that? We talkin' bout spoilers.

(not a pic, not a pic, we talkin' bout spoilers)

[Toddzilla]

[no movie-quote parody here....sorry]

Whether or not his original thread was appropriate or not, it was pretty clear a mod thought it was not.

Yes still, MJ4H decided to resurrect it in a new thread.

Say what you want about the mods, but they have been absolutely consistent when a poster does this.

They tell you to stop, you do it again anyway, you get the banhammer.

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[stevew]

Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider: this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense!
Why would a Wookiee -- an eight foot tall Wookiee -- want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!

But more importantly, you have to ask yourself: what does that have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!

Look at me, I'm a lawyer defending a poster banned for posting covered boobies, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense.

And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation... does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense.

If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

[Radii]

Whether or not his original thread was appropriate or not, it was pretty clear a mod thought it was not.

Yes still, MJ4H decided to resurrect it in a new thread.

Say what you want about the mods, but they have been absolutely consistent when a poster does this.

They tell you to stop, you do it again anyway, you get the banhammer.


His original thread was a poker dynasty with embedded images of hot chicks with photobucket URL's.

His new thread was a poker dynasty with a link to a twitter page, which contains no images.

Unless he was told to stop posting about poker, he absolutely did not continue to do the thing that got his first thread deleted.

[Chubby]

and considering that there is no apparent discussion in the mod forum per the super secret mod rules then I don't think it's cut and dry

[Dr. Sak]

MJ4H Graduates!!
MJ4H Graduates!!
MJ4H Graduates!!
MJ4H Graduates!!
MJ4H Graduates!!
MJ4H Graduates!!

If you want the juniors to join you have to throw in the dress code too!

[Groundhog]

All jokes aside (and there are certainly some good ones), seems like this boxing was an asshat move. I didn't see either thread, but if everything said here is true, well, I'm struggling to see why it happened.

[thealmighty]

Why? Why? WHY???

Leave MJ4H ALONE!!!!!!!!

[fantom1979]

I will start off by saying this, don't blame that box on the mods. I don't care who posts, whether they are a high school poster, a junior college poster, a college poster, much less an hall of fame poster. When you post five NSFW links, four with spoiler tags, one which went all the way and three others that set up going all the way, you aren't going to avoid the box. Alright? That was a disgraceful performance in my opinion. We threw that thread. We gave it away by doing that. We gave them the freaking thread. In my opinion that sucked. What's that? MJ4H? Don't talk about MJ4H. You kidding me? MJ4H?

[Atocep]

This is what's great about FOFC. This is what the greatest thing about FOFC is. YOU POST TO GET BANNED. Hello? YOU POST TO GET BANNED. You don't post just to post. That's the great thing about FOFC. You post to get banned. And I don't care if you don't have any posts. You gonna post to get banned. When you start telling me it doesn't matter...then retire. Get out. Because it matters. So...I...that, that, that....this whole conversation bothers me.

[thesloppy]

Well, the first thing you've got to realize, brother, is this right here is the future of intelligently moderated, sports-sim based message boards:

http://sportsdigs.com/ (http://sporsdigs.com/)

Let me tell you something when it all came to pass, and I freaked out in this thread, the name thesloppy...the man thesloppy, got bigger than this whole board! And then Skydog, Amigo, he wanted to talk turkey with thesloppy. Skydog promised me pictures of well-endowed women, brother, Skydog promised me thousands of posts, brother, and Skydog promised me world calibre dynasties about poker, and various other topics.

But, as far as Skydog, Ryan, and the whole FOFC goes, I'm bored brother. That's why these two guys here, MJ4H and Franklin Noble, the so-called Sportsdigs, this is the board I want frequent. They're the new blood of message boards for sports dorks, and not only are we going to take over the whole message board business, with thesloppy and the new blood, MJ4H with me, we will destroy everything in our path, Stubby Chubby!!

[JAG]

And I think you need to open the Off-Topic sub forum of FOFC and then look out your window and count all of the boxed people that walk by. When you get to "one" then I'll listen to anything else you have to say about anything. Got any questions? No? Good. Welcome to FOFC.

[thesloppy]

He left a legacy. The same way when Jesus left, because he had to sacrifice for all of us.

[thesloppy]

Dear mods, we accept the fact that MJ4H had to sacrifice a whole week in detention for whatever it was he did wrong. But we think you're crazy to make us write an essay telling you who we think we are. You see us as you want to see us... In the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions.

But what we found out is that each one of us is a banned member...

...and a dynasty writer....

...and a soccer fan...

...a QOTD advocate...

...and a werewolf player...

Does that answer your question?

Sincerely yours, the Poster Club.

[thesloppy]

Let's talk about something important.

Put.

That.

Dynasty.

Down.

Dynasties are for closers only.

You think I'm fucking with you? I am not fucking with you. I'm here from downtown. I'm here from Operation Sports. And I'm here on a mission of mercy. Your name's MJ4H? You call yourself a dynasty writer you son of a bitch? The good news is: you're boxed. The bad news is: you've got, all of just one week to regain your posting rights, starting with tonight. Starting with tonight's sit.

Oh? Have I got your attention now? Good. 'Cause we're adding a little something to this year's Golden Scribe contest. As you all know first prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're banned. Get the picture? You laughing now? You got the dynasty forum. Operation Sports paid good money, play the games and write the dynasties, you don't need any fucking pictures. You can't write the dynasties with the rules you're given, you can't write shit. You ARE shit. Hit the bricks pal, and beat it 'cause you are going OUT.

[Logan]

Dear mods, we accept the fact that MJ4H had to sacrifice a whole week in detention for whatever it was he did wrong. But we think you're crazy to make us write an essay telling you who we think we are. You see us as you want to see us... In the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions.

But what we found out is that each one of us is a banned member...

...and a dynasty writer....

...and a soccer fan...

...a QOTD advocate...

...and a werewolf player...

Does that answer your question?

Sincerely yours, the Poster Club.

A very solid runner-up to your Gandy one.

[JPhillips]

Hey. If any of you are looking for any last-minute gift ideas for me, I have one. I'd like Skydog, HNIC, right here tonight. I want him brought from his happy slumber over there on FOFC with all the other mod people and I want him brought right here, with a big ribbon on his head, and I want to look him straight in the eye and I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, fore-fleshing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit he is. Hallelujah. Holy shit. Where's the Tylenol?

[MikeVic]

Can we honestly get an answer to the boxing?

[stevew]

He was "being an asshat" seems to be the logical response.

[Bad-example]

MJ4H didn't ask you to fight his battles for him. And if there's a penalty box, and god I hope there is, I know he's sittin' up there drunk as a fuckin' monkey and smokin' shit, cause he done left his pains down here.

[molson]

I always that there should be a sticky that says who's currently suspended/banned and why.

I understand it's a balancing act. I guess the mods don't want people discussing why people are "disciplined" (and the very fact that someone can be "disciplined" on a message board is just so...stupid). I don't get why such discussions would be so horrible if people wanted to do it. I don't get why mods have to be such babies about that. They could easily just let people state their opinion if they wanted to, and then not respond if they didn't feel it was constructive. I guess they're too sensitive.

I do undertand why people want to know why their posting peers are getting the shaft, and the fact that they're not "allowed" to know - is just dopey. It's like we're children.

[Passacaglia]

Posters, for the past two weeks you have been reading about the bad break MJ4H got. Yet today I consider MJ4H the luckiest poster on the face of this earth. MJ4H has been in FOFC threads for seven and a half years and has never received anything but kindness and encouragement from you posters.

Look at these grand men. Which of you wouldn't consider it the highlight of his career just to associate with them for even one day? Sure, MJ4H is lucky. Who wouldn't consider it an honor to have known Pumpy Tudors? Also, the builder of FOFC's greatest empire, SkyDog? To have spent six years with that wonderful little fellow, jbmagic? Then to have spent the next nine years with that outstanding leader, that smart student of psychology, the best manager in FOFC today, Eaglesfan27? Sure, MJ4H is lucky.

So I close in saying that MJ4H may have had a tough break, but he has an awful lot to live for.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm not dead yet.

Well, you will be soon enough.

[Ksyrup]

(and the very fact that someone can be "disciplined" on a message board is just so...stupid).

Really? You think every message board should just be a free for all? If I was running a board, I'd take a fairly lax approach, but there's no way to have a decent boarding experience without some standards. And with standards/rules comes discipline. Or just straight out first-time offense bannings - I guess that's the alternative.

[molson]

Really? You think every message board should just be a free for all? If I was running a board, I'd take a fairly lax approach, but there's no way to have a decent boarding experience without some standards. And with standards/rules comes discipline. Or just straight out first-time offense bannings - I guess that's the alternative.

I understand bannings, but suspensions are just bizzare. It's like someone's pretending to be a sports league commissioner, its a role play. "You're suspended for two weeks". Give me a break. Is MJFH quietly contemplating his guilt somewhere? Are any of us deterred? We don't even know what he did. What's the point?

It's a silly role-play to feel important, nothing more. There's no benefit to anyone, and it doesn't improvement anything here. So why do it?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

So I went over to MJ4H's house to have dinner. The chef came out and said, 'What would you like?'

I said, 'Some grilled chicken.'

So as we begin to talk about the video and what he wanted me to do, the chef brought me out the grilled chicken. But he brought MJ4H out a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.

And I went crazy, like, 'Wait a minute! MJ4H, you eat Kentucky Fried Chicken?'

That made my day. That was the greatest moment of my life. We had such a good time sitting on the floor, eating that bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.

[wade moore]

I understand bannings, but suspensions are just bizzare. It's like someone's pretending to be a sports league commissioner, its a role play. "You're suspended for two weeks". Give me a break. Is MJFH quietly contemplating his guilt somewhere? Are any of us deterred? We don't even know what he did. What's the point?

It's a silly role-play to feel important, nothing more. There's no benefit to anyone, and it doesn't improvement anything here. So why do it?

So you believe that anyone that breaks message board rules should just be banned for life?

Boy - your message board would be a barrel of laughs.

[Passacaglia]

So you believe that anyone that breaks message board rules should just be banned for life?

Boy - your message board would be a barrel of laughs.

I don't think that's what he was saying at all. I think he's just saying that a 'boxing' is pretty pointless. If something is not allowed on the board, either a warning is sufficient, or if it's bad enough, a banning is necessary.

[wade moore]

He was "being an asshat" seems to be the logical response.

This is generally a good assumption.

It's always interesting to me, as a mod, how when one of these threads is started there is some general complaint of heavy handed-dictatorship. I travel through various message boards, and this one has by far the fewest boxings/bannings of any that I've ever been on - and generally for pretty obvious steps over the boundaries of rules. So the "woe is us" postings are always very interesting to me.

At any rate - as a general rule, it's not a good idea to try and get "around" "punishment". And it's also generally a good idea to not be an asshat when you are "punished".

[cartman]

molson, have you checked out sportsdigs.com? Sounds exactly like your kind of place.

[wade moore]

I don't think that's what he was saying at all. I think he's just saying that a 'boxing' is pretty pointless. If something is not allowed on the board, either a warning is sufficient, or if it's bad enough, a banning is necessary.

Ah.

Well, from my previous experience, I do not believe that "warnings" are effective (as was proven here).

[Ksyrup]

IIs MJFH quietly contemplating his guilt somewhere?

This is what I imagined:

"Uh, teach...? We, uh, got the new sheet music this morning. Um... I had no idea Slayer's South of Heaven had been transcribed for symphonic band."

"IT HAS NOW!"

[Logan]

This is generally a good assumption.

It's always interesting to me, as a mod, how when one of these threads is started there is some general complaint of heavy handed-dictatorship. I travel through various message boards, and this one has by far the fewest boxings/bannings of any that I've ever been on - and generally for pretty obvious steps over the boundaries of rules. So the "woe is us" postings are always very interesting to me.

I'm not really a member of any other board to the extent I am here, but I do read a fair amount of them. I think this one is by far the best in terms of quality of the posters in terms of not having people who's sole motivation seems to be the "I will be an asshat and I will be a complete troll." That word gets thrown around here every now and then, but it seems to be more in specific instances where stuff gets out of hand.

[Ksyrup]

Ah.

Well, from my previous experience, I do not believe that "warnings" are effective (as was proven here).

To me, a boxing should serve as the warning. What I've disagreed with here from time to time is not following through with a banning after a "time out"/warning. For instance, I was against continually treating HA like Saddam Hussein and boxing him every 6 months when he would inevitably go over the line, time and time again, without taking that next step. I was for drawing a line in the sand. So, a one-time boxing would essentially be the warning before a banning if it happened again.

[MikeVic]

But what rule was broken?

[wade moore]

But what rule was broken?

He was "being an asshat" seems to be the logical response.

...

[Samdari]

generally for pretty obvious steps over the boundaries of rules.

I guess this is one of those that does not fit into "generally"?

[Ksyrup]

But what rule was broken?

I was just speaking in general terms. I know nothing about what happened here, never saw the threads/links he posted or anything like that, don't know what happened, if anything, behind the scenes.

[Passacaglia]

...

So that's the rule that was broken? No wonder a warning was not effective.

[claphamsa]

I just wanted to chime in and say this thread is awesome :)

[MikeVic]

...

From what I know of the situation... he created a dynasty about poker, and posted photobucket images in spoiler tags to hot women. I saw those. Then his thread gets deleted, so he creates another thread (it was a real-life poker tracking dynasty after all, so it makes sense to want to continue it), and in this thread he links to his Twitter account that contained hot women pictures.

Was it creating a second thread that did it, or the hot women links?

[wade moore]

So that's the rule that was broken? No wonder a warning was not effective.

Well, to speak in general terms - it is, as I said earlier, a bad idea to try and skirt decisions made by the modding team and act the asshat.

Some issues, like this one, are difficult to address publicly as a lot of what happens occurs in private.

[molson]

So you believe that anyone that breaks message board rules should just be banned for life?

Boy - your message board would be a barrel of laughs.

The obvious trolls/spanners should be banned. But when someone does "something" that nobody even apparently noticed (except for modeers who apparently had their feelings hurt) in the dynasty section - who cares?

What's the purpose of suspensions? Are we all protected from MJFH's evil deeds for the next two weeks? Do you feel safer? Does MJFH even know what he did? If he didn't, which I assume is the case, what's the point?

[molson]

Well, to speak in general terms - it is, as I said earlier, a bad idea to try and skirt decisions made by the modding team and act the asshat.

Some issues, like this one, are difficult to address publicly as a lot of what happens occurs in private.

So he was suspended over a personal dispute? How retarded. How did he negative impact he message board? If nobody even knows what the hell he did, then by definition, he shouldn't be suspended, IMO.

What are these "decisions" made by the modding team? Why is this such a secret?

[wade moore]

The obvious trolls/spanners should be banned. But when someone does "something" that nobody even apparently noticed in the dynasty section - who cares?

What's the purpose of suspensions? Are we all protected from MJFH's evil deeds for the next two weeks? Do you feel safer? Does MJFH even know what he did? If he didn't, which I assume is the case, what's the point?

No one has ever been turned down an explanation, privately, as to why they were boxed/banned.

[molson]

No one has ever been turned down an explanation, privately, as to why they were boxed/banned.

How paternal.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, to speak in general terms - it is, as I said earlier, a bad idea to try and skirt decisions made by the modding team and act the asshat.

The question still remains, however. What rule was broken in the first place to attract the attention of the mods?

[molson]

The question still remains, however. What rule was broken in the first place to attract the attention of the mods?

He wronged a mod.

Not the board, mind you, a mod.

Nobody else cares what he did.

[DaddyTorgo]

The question still remains, however. What rule was broken in the first place to attract the attention of the mods?

linking to a page that had pictures that the mods had deleted from the board for being too "racy" i presume.

[wade moore]

The question still remains, however. What rule was broken in the first place to attract the attention of the mods?

I personally brought the thread to the attention of Ben because I felt that while no individual image directly violated the rules of the board, the collection of a bunch of borderline images in a thread was not in the best interest of the board and what FOFC is as a community. We are NOT a hot chix board. We do our best to ensure that people are able to access this board from work, and a thread like that puts that goal at risk in my opinion.

So, I brought it Ben's attention. He apparently agreed as he deleted the thread, but did not box/ban MJ4H.

What happened after that gets muddled up in a lot of stuff that was not public on the message board and I was not personally involved with - plus I was not around this weekend on the board. So I cannot speak to it.

However, I wanted to address CW's specific question.

[MacroGuru]

linking to a page that had pictures that the mods had deleted from the board for being too "racy" i presume.

Which is still bullshit...it's freaking Twitter...

Honestly, he did nothing wrong but recreate the Dynasty thread and actually posted Poker in it...If someones work radar went off on the twitter thing, then they need to seriously focus on their damn job and not worry about FOFC until they get home.

[sterlingice]

This is what I imagined:

"Uh, teach...? We, uh, got the new sheet music this morning. Um... I had no idea Slayer's South of Heaven had been transcribed for symphonic band."

"IT HAS NOW!"

Gold :D

SI

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Will anyone not be allowed to view the board at work because there are links to twitter/photobucket? Or if there are cheesecake pictures behind spoiler tags that no one will accidentally view?

[wade moore]

Which is still bullshit...it's freaking Twitter...

Honestly, he did nothing wrong but recreate the Dynasty thread and actually posted Poker in it...If someones work radar went off on the twitter thing, then they need to seriously focus on their damn job and not worry about FOFC until they get home.

Again, in general terms, finding "ways around" mod decisions has always been frowned upon around here. To think you can just recreate the thread and find another way of getting people to the images was a-ok is just foolish. If MJ4H recreate the poker thread and stuck to poker, we wouldn't be having this annoying discussion.

[MikeVic]

I personally brought the thread to the attention of Ben because I felt that while no individual image directly violated the rules of the board, the collection of a bunch of borderline images in a thread was not in the best interest of the board and what FOFC is as a community. We are NOT a hot chix board. We do our best to ensure that people are able to access this board from work, and a thread like that puts that goal at risk in my opinion.

So, I brought it Ben's attention. He apparently agreed as he deleted the thread, but did not box/ban MJ4H.

What happened after that gets muddled up in a lot of stuff that was not public on the message board and I was not personally involved with - plus I was not around this weekend on the board. So I cannot speak to it.

However, I wanted to address CW's specific question.

lol, there are hot chix in quite a few threads on FOFC I'd imagine.

[MacroGuru]

I personally brought the thread to the attention of Ben because I felt that while no individual image directly violated the rules of the board, the collection of a bunch of borderline images in a thread was not in the best interest of the board and what FOFC is as a community. We are NOT a hot chix board. We do our best to ensure that people are able to access this board from work, and a thread like that puts that goal at risk in my opinion.

So, I brought it Ben's attention. He apparently agreed as he deleted the thread, but did not box/ban MJ4H.

What happened after that gets muddled up in a lot of stuff that was not public on the message board and I was not personally involved with - plus I was not around this weekend on the board. So I cannot speak to it.

However, I wanted to address CW's specific question.

Well, this sums it up for me...I guess I need to start visiting a few different boards, but before I head...take a gander at several hundred other threads throughout this board and make sure they get deleted, banned and what not, because we don't want the board to turn into that as well....

Do you need help finding those threads? Because I would be happy to go through and report them for not being "FOFC" type material.

[larrymcg421]

Right, I can understand the reasoning that if someone tried to skirt a decision that the modding team made, then a boxing is warranted.

However, the problem as I see it is people who were reading the original thread didn't see anything objectionable in it, at least compared to other threads. So it'd be nice to get an answer as to why this particular thread crossed the line in the first place so those of us intent on not breaking rules can get a clearer idea of how to proceed.

[sterlingice]

I always that there should be a sticky that says who's currently suspended/banned and why.

I understand it's a balancing act. I guess the mods don't want people discussing why people are "disciplined" (and the very fact that someone can be "disciplined" on a message board is just so...stupid). I don't get why such discussions would be so horrible if people wanted to do it. I don't get why mods have to be such babies about that. They could easily just let people state their opinion if they wanted to, and then not respond if they didn't feel it was constructive. I guess they're too sensitive.

I do undertand why people want to know why their posting peers are getting the shaft, and the fact that they're not "allowed" to know - is just dopey. It's like we're children.

I'm not exactly the village gossip by any stretch of the imagination and I'm usually the last one to hear about these sorts of things. In fact, I always find out when these threads come up. But could we have a "banning" thread where it says who is banned, boxed, and why? It could be a locked thread where no one can post but it would be kindof like a giant billboard at the top of the board.

SI

[MikeVic]

Do you need help finding those threads? Because I would be happy to go through and report them for not being "FOFC" type material.

Leave those threads alone!!

[molson]

Right, I can understand the reasoning that if someone tried to skirt a decision that the modding team made, then a boxing is warranted.



IWhat's wrong with skirting a decision, if by "skirting" it, you get into compliance with the rule?

If a mod says, "hey, can you delete the picture", and the poster instead links to it, is that "skirting", or is that an attempt to comply with the "rule" (whatever it is - that's the problem as they're made up as we go along).

[DaddyTorgo]

Which is still bullshit...it's freaking Twitter...

Honestly, he did nothing wrong but recreate the Dynasty thread and actually posted Poker in it...If someones work radar went off on the twitter thing, then they need to seriously focus on their damn job and not worry about FOFC until they get home.

i tend to agree, but then again i'm lucky enough (currently) to be in a small and relaxed enough place that i don't have any monitoring software.

[wade moore]

lol, there are hot chix in quite a few threads on FOFC I'd imagine.

Well, this sums it up for me...I guess I need to start visiting a few different boards, but before I head...take a gander at several hundred other threads throughout this board and make sure they get deleted, banned and what not, because we don't want the board to turn into that as well....

Do you need help finding those threads? Because I would be happy to go through and report them for not being "FOFC" type material.

There's a big difference, in my opinion, between a post here and there of a hot chick and a thread essentially (masked behind a poker dynasty) dedicated to hot chix.

If you want that, as you stated above, there are plenty of other message boards you can go to dedicated to that purpose.

This board is very, very lenient on the whole. One of the things that has been consistent is that we do our best to avoid folks having work issues due to sexual (for lack of a better term) images.


And again, that being said - MJ4H was not boxed for the original thread.

[DaddyTorgo]

I personally brought the thread to the attention of Ben because I felt that while no individual image directly violated the rules of the board, the collection of a bunch of borderline images in a thread was not in the best interest of the board and what FOFC is as a community. We are NOT a hot chix board. We do our best to ensure that people are able to access this board from work, and a thread like that puts that goal at risk in my opinion.

So, I brought it Ben's attention. He apparently agreed as he deleted the thread, but did not box/ban MJ4H.

What happened after that gets muddled up in a lot of stuff that was not public on the message board and I was not personally involved with - plus I was not around this weekend on the board. So I cannot speak to it.

However, I wanted to address CW's specific question.

not trying to speak for MJ4H but maybe he was upset to see all of the poker-stuff get deleted moreso than the pictures and that's what (presumably) set him off?

Wouldn't the best solution have been to warn MJ4H and either ask him to promptly edit the pictures out, or have a mod edit them out right then?

maybe that was done...idk.

i've been boxed before - it's not that bad really. you feel like you have a lot to say when you come back and you bump old threads that people have moved on past, but it also frees up a lot of time.

[molson]

But could we have a "banning" thread where it says who is banned, boxed, and why?



I think they think it would "inflame" people or something. They don't want people comparing situation X where there was a suspension, and situation Y where there wasn't.

It seems simple to me - one stickied thread with discipline and other announcements, and an open stickied thread where people can state opinions about the modding. That stuff would need to stay in the thread, and couldn't be referenced elsewhere. Mods could communicate with people and give explanations on specific points if they chose to.

[MacroGuru]

There's a big difference, in my opinion, between a post here and there of a hot chick and a thread essentially (masked behind a poker dynasty) dedicated to hot chix.

If you want that, as you stated above, there are plenty of other message boards you can go to dedicated to that purpose.

This board is very, very lenient on the whole. One of the things that has been consistent is that we do our best to avoid folks having work issues due to sexual (for lack of a better term) images.


And again, that being said - MJ4H was not boxed for the original thread.

I'm not even bitching about the Hot Chix picture, it was the heavy handed aspect of it all...a deletion of the thread that had a hell of a lot of Poker stuff in that I was following, the hot chix was a bonus and hidden in spoiler tags to a damn photobucket account...if it was linked to several porn sites then there is a legitimate bitch....he even said what he was doing in the thread.

No one bitched, complained or anything because they were in spoiler tags....but then again, I am still under the impression of, if your work is searching for specific shit and blocking internet access for boards like this and you use creative means to get here, then you should be focusing on your job, and not worrying about FOFC until you get home.

[wade moore]

not trying to speak for MJ4H but maybe he was upset to see all of the poker-stuff get deleted moreso than the pictures and that's what (presumably) set him off?

Wouldn't the best solution have been to warn MJ4H and either ask him to promptly edit the pictures out, or have a mod edit them out right then?

If MJ4H's concern was really the poker stuff, would he have reposted the pictures in an alternate way?

[larrymcg421]

IWhat's wrong with skirting a decision, if by "skirting" it, you get into compliance with the rule?

If a mod says, "hey, can you delete the picture", and the poster instead links to it, is that "skirting", or is that an attempt to comply with the "rule" (whatever it is - that's the problem as they're made up as we go along).

Well, I'm not saying he did skirt the rule in this specific case. I was going along with what wade said for the purposes of argument.

There seems to be some dispute as to the facts, so it's hard to figure out who was in the wrong, which is why it'd be nice to get more details from the mods.

[molson]

.

This board is very, very lenient on the whole.

Has anyone tried to count the number of suspensions/bannings? It seems like a ton.

[molson]

If MJ4H's concern was really the poker stuff, would he have reposted the pictures in an alternate way?

Who cares what MJH4H's reasoning was? That just supports the idea that he was suspended for being snooty with a moderator, which is ridiculous.

[wade moore]

I'm not even bitching about the Hot Chix picture, it was the heavy handed aspect of it all...a deletion of the thread that had a hell of a lot of Poker stuff in that I was following, the hot chix was a bonus and hidden in spoiler tags to a damn photobucket account...if it was linked to several porn sites then there is a legitimate bitch....he even said what he was doing in the thread.

There is a method to "soft delete" a thread. That was done here. If MJ4H really wanted the poker content, all he had to do was ask. Or, again, if that was his real concern why did he immediately race to find another way to post the pictures?

No one bitched, complained or anything because they were in spoiler tags....but then again, I am still under the impression of, if your work is searching for specific shit and blocking internet access for boards like this and you use creative means to get here, then you should be focusing on your job, and not worrying about FOFC until you get home.

Well, #1 - the readership of the thread was VERY low because of the way he posted it. If others had seen it, they may have complained.

That being said, *I* complained as a concerned poster who happens to be a mod and has strict filters at work. As of now, FOFC is *NOT* filtered out because it prevents the posting of these types of things. My work is ok with me viewing these types of boards if they DON'T have this type of content.

To say, "if your work is searching for specific shit and blocking internet access for boards like this and you use creative means to get here, then you should be focusing on your job, and not worrying about FOFC until you get home." is just a complete asshole statement. My work is fine with me occasionally viewing a board that talks about a video game, politics, etc, etc - but not with one that shows scantily clad women, etc. Like I said - I can get to it because that is NOT what this board is.

[wade moore]

Has anyone tried to count the number of suspensions/bannings? It seems like a ton.

Seriously?

You're serious about this?

I don't have a spreadsheet or something that lists them, but outside of spam accounts I'm pretty confident that the number is in the 2-3 a year range.

[molson]

Seriously?

You're serious about this?

I don't have a spreadsheet or something that lists them, but outside of spam accounts I'm pretty confident that the number is in the 2-3 a year range.

I guess we can never know because it's top secret but I'm SURE there are more than 2-3 bannings + suspensions a year.

[stevew]

There hasn't been a suspension in god knows how long.

[Travis]

Only thing I'm seeing here that doesn't make sense to me is that any monitoring software looking for stuff like MJ4H had up in that thread isn't going to care what thread they're in here. Might have been a higher concentration in his thread, but there was nothing there that isn't in other threads on this forum. To say it was an issue because he had more of them there than other threads seems pretty thin/flimsy, especially when he was doing them in such a way so as to keep them hidden from view (for those worried about having a picture just flash on screen while at work) and seemingly (as nobody has said otherwise thus far) to avoid tripping any work place monitors.

The thread deletion/everything after that, different story/discussion, but really, if the picture type/content/hosting isn't different from other postings or an issue in of itself, frequency shouldn't be the issue.

Now if you're saying all pictures like that shouldn't ever be posted here, again, different conversation again. I'm just not getting this, "he had too many of them" theory.

[MacroGuru]

There is a method to "soft delete" a thread. That was done here. If MJ4H really wanted the poker content, all he had to do was ask. Or, again, if that was his real concern why did he immediately race to find another way to post the pictures?



Well, #1 - the readership of the thread was VERY low because of the way he posted it. If others had seen it, they may have complained.

That being said, *I* complained as a concerned poster who happens to be a mod and has strict filters at work. As of now, FOFC is *NOT* filtered out because it prevents the posting of these types of things. My work is ok with me viewing these types of boards if they DON'T have this type of content.

To say, "if your work is searching for specific shit and blocking internet access for boards like this and you use creative means to get here, then you should be focusing on your job, and not worrying about FOFC until you get home." is just a complete asshole statement. My work is fine with me occasionally viewing a board that talks about a video game, politics, etc, etc - but not with one that shows scantily clad women, etc. Like I said - I can get to it because that is NOT what this board is.

It's not an asshole statement because the reason filters are on at places of employment is because of lost hours due to employees not doing there job. I have been there done that myself, and I just waited until I got home to post.

But with that being said the only way you could see the scantily clad women in that thread was if you hit the spoiler tag which is where he told you he was posting them so you actively searched it, had a panic attack that you would lose precious FOFC posting and reading time from work and swung the stick...

He posted to his twitter account because he had some people that liked the damn pictures.

So with that said, we might as well focus FOFC on what it was and remove OT completely, because Politics, Religion, YouTube and almost every other thread there could set off someones filter.

[heybrad]

Like I said - I can get to it because that is NOT what this board is.
One of the largest threads on this board is dedicated to hot child molesters. How does your work feel about that?

[MacroGuru]

One of the largest threads on this board is dedicated to hot child molesters. How does your work feel about that?

BINGO!

[wade moore]

There hasn't been a suspension in god knows how long.Bingo.



You guys are very, very good at proving why Ben chooses to mod the way he does.

[molson]

So with that said, we might as well focus FOFC on what it was and remove OT completely, because Politics, Religion, YouTube and almost every other thread there could set off someones filter.

I imagine YouTube especially is a huge flag for a lot of fliters, since it's not just about lost work time but can slow down a network (and its a huge brand and easy to filter). How is that stuff allowed in any thread, as a link, or especially embedded?

If someone has a strict workplace internet policy, that's their problem, not ours.

[molson]

You guys are very, very good at proving why Ben chooses to mod the way he does.

Could you elaborate? What's the benefit of the modding style to the board? I don't think anybody even knows. It's just stated in mysterious conclusions. That's how big the disconnect is.

[molson]

Bingo.



When was the last suspension? When was the last banning?

[larrymcg421]

That's a great point. How can MJ4H's thread violate the rules if the child molester thread does not?

[gstelmack]

When was the last suspension? When was the last banning?

I'm pretty sure Anthony / HA hit more than 2-3 / year by himself, and he went through a spat of them not too long ago. Of course since those are usually well deserved we can probably say those don't count...

[wade moore]

Could you elaborate? What's the benefit of the modding style to the board? I don't think anybody even knows. It's just stated in mysterious conclusions. That's how big the disconnect is.

What I'm specifically referring to is that no good comes of attempting to discuss a mod decision with you people.

[molson]

What I'm specifically referring to is that no good comes of attempting to discuss a mod decision with you people.

The high and mighty act sheds a lot of light on the mod decisions.

"Good" for who? The mods, nobody else. That proves the point. It's not even an articulable policy.

[MikeVic]

What I'm specifically referring to is that no good comes of attempting to discuss a mod decision with you people.

Because the original decision makes no sense! The hot child molesters thread is a great point brought up.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

That being said, *I* complained as a concerned poster who happens to be a mod and has strict filters at work. As of now, FOFC is *NOT* filtered out because it prevents the posting of these types of things. My work is ok with me viewing these types of boards if they DON'T have this type of content.

If your work has the ability to decipher the content of a picture on a photobucket account, using some advanced computer vision algorithm, perhaps they should start marketing it.

[MacroGuru]

What I'm specifically referring to is that no good comes of attempting to discuss a mod decision with you people.

Because most of the time the decisions are made because a mods panties were tied in a knot by someone.

[stevew]

That's a great point. How can MJ4H's thread violate the rules if the child molester thread does not?

because it's about news stories?

I mean, under a different thread title, nobody is bringing that thread up.

[heybrad]

What I'm specifically referring to is that no good comes of attempting to discuss a mod decision with you people.
Because it might show that you really botched this one?

[gstelmack]

Everyone is willing to bitch about mod decisions but no one is willing to acknowledge that the board is generally a really good place to visit and rarely devolves into the kind of antics most boards see. I think the results are worth putting up with the occasional mod insanity (and I've really only run across one when a mod changed a title of a thread because some folks didn't agree with the politics in it...)

[MacroGuru]

because it's about news stories?

I mean, under a different thread title, nobody is bringing that thread up.

No...it got it starts because the chick was hot and people started posting pictures of teachers that banged their students.

If you go to that thread for news stories...I have a few other boards for you to check out.

[molson]

Because most of the time the decisions are made because a mods panties were tied in a knot by someone.

Exactly.

That's why they can't talk about it. Because it wouldn't sound good. And they think, "oh, 'those people' wouldn't understand". As if modding is some kind science that laymen can't comprehend

[MikeVic]

because it's about news stories?

I mean, under a different thread title, nobody is bringing that thread up.

I would argue the main point of that thread is to find hot women.

[heybrad]

because it's about news stories?

I mean, under a different thread title, nobody is bringing that thread up.
And about posting pics trying to show if they are 'hot or not' along with plenty of discussion on who would and wouldn't fuck their high school teacher.

[stevew]

Everyone is willing to bitch about mod decisions but no one is willing to acknowledge that the board is generally a really good place to visit and rarely devolves into the kind of antics most boards see. I think the results are worth putting up with the occasional mod insanity (and I've really only run across one when a mod changed a title of a thread because some folks didn't agree with the politics in it...)


+1

[stevew]

I would argue the main point of that thread is to find hot women.

Yeah, especially the ones that are linked from CNN and MSNBC news stories.

[MikeVic]

Everyone is willing to bitch about mod decisions but no one is willing to acknowledge that the board is generally a really good place to visit and rarely devolves into the kind of antics most boards see. I think the results are worth putting up with the occasional mod insanity (and I've really only run across one when a mod changed a title of a thread because some folks didn't agree with the politics in it...)

I generally like this place, but is it so hard for mods to explain stuff and admit they're wrong if a decision doesn't make sense?

[MikeVic]

Yeah, especially the ones that are linked from CNN and MSNBC news stories.

But wade moore's filtering software can see pictures, so they're against the rules. ;)

[heybrad]

Everyone is willing to bitch about mod decisions but no one is willing to acknowledge that the board is generally a really good place to visit and rarely devolves into the kind of antics most boards see. I think the results are worth putting up with the occasional mod insanity (and I've really only run across one when a mod changed a title of a thread because some folks didn't agree with the politics in it...)
I'll go along with this. The problem I think I see is you'll see more issues like this when a mod uses himself and his situation as the gold standard for the decisions he makes. That not thinking about the community. That's making sure he's taking care of himself.

[wade moore]

I would argue the main point of that thread is to find hot women.

Seriously?

Have you read the thread?

It's about female teachers have sex with their students that are generally 7's on a scale of 1-10 who are shown in mugshots or other unrevealing pictures.

This whole argument about that thread is what I'm talking about. When I try to explain something, people take a ridiculous red herring and try to throw it out there. It makes any concrete discussion completely pointless.

People will next bring up the HoN threads - well, they again do not have revealing pictures of 16-20 year old girls posted all over the place. At best they have some pictures of celebrities from main stream magazines, and often not even that.

If you can't see the distinction between those threads, the occasional thread in the "images so cool" thread, and a thread full of scantily clad 16-20 year olds I'm not sure what to tell you. There is a huge distinction in my book

[stevew]

MJ got fucked cause he fucked himself.

I thought it was poor form to delete the original thread in it's entirety, when the links could have been edited out.

But if you get told "no" and then continue to be an asshat, you're going to get assfucked.

[Dr. Sak]

I don't have a problem except when Noop puts those fuckin gifs in the Images thread and slows the load time way down!

MJ got fucked cause he fucked himself.

I thought it was poor form to delete the original thread in it's entirety, when the links could have been edited out.

But if you get told "no" and then continue to be an asshat, you're going to get assfucked.

Someone saw Bruno this weekend.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

If you can't see the distinction between those threads, the occasional thread in the "images so cool" thread, and a thread full of scantily clad 16-20 year olds I'm not sure what to tell you. There is a huge distinction in my book

The point is that the initial complaint is that the pictures could limit people's ability to access FOFC, which I've never seen justified, and now it's moving to more of a morality police area.

[molson]

If you can't see the distinction between those threads, the occasional thread in the "images so cool" thread, and a thread full of scantily clad 16-20 year olds I'm not sure what to tell you. There is a huge distinction in my book

Is there a distinction made by your work filter if pictures are in one thread, as opposed to spread out across several threads?

Or if it's just your personal opinion and vision of the board you're talking about, just stay out his thread.

[wade moore]

I'll go along with this. The problem I think I see is you'll see more issues like this when a mod uses himself and his situation as the gold standard for the decisions he makes. That not thinking about the community. That's making sure he's taking care of himself.

If you're referring to me, you're completely off-base.

If this is what I was doing, I would have deleted the thread and banned MJ4H.

Instead I, as ANY poster here can do, reported the thread (granted I didn't use the "report thread" button) to Ben because I thought that it was a borderline thread that should be looked into further.

In doing so I had the interests of the entire board in mind. My work has less strict filters than a lot of posters do. Part of what I'm asked to do as a mod is ensure that we do not get blocked by people's places of work because of this kind of BS.

[MikeVic]

Seriously?

Have you read the thread?

It's about female teachers have sex with their students that are generally 7's on a scale of 1-10 who are shown in mugshots or other unrevealing pictures.

This whole argument about that thread is what I'm talking about. When I try to explain something, people take a ridiculous red herring and try to throw it out there. It makes any concrete discussion completely pointless.

People will next bring up the HoN threads - well, they again do not have revealing pictures of 16-20 year old girls posted all over the place. At best they have some pictures of celebrities from main stream magazines, and often not even that.

If you can't see the distinction between those threads, the occasional thread in the "images so cool" thread, and a thread full of scantily clad 16-20 year olds I'm not sure what to tell you. There is a huge distinction in my book

But a filter doesn't care! An image in a photobucket account is an image in a photobucket account. And the images were in spoiler tags, so they aren't visible if you don't want them to be. It seemed like MJ4H was trying to follow the rules here.

I don't follow the other thread much, but whenever I go in there, there's discussion as to how hot the women are. You can't deny that.

[MacroGuru]

People will next bring up the HoN threads - well, they again do not have revealing pictures of 16-20 year old girls posted all over the place. At best they have some pictures of celebrities from main stream magazines, and often not even that.

If you can't see the distinction between those threads, the occasional thread in the "images so cool" thread, and a thread full of scantily clad 16-20 year olds I'm not sure what to tell you. There is a huge distinction in my book

So is age the distinction that brought it into question? Or Status? Because thats a fine line to draw...I have seen some pictures that were as bad if not worse than what MJ4H posted in that thread on the HoN pics...but then again, it's ok...they are celebs.

[molson]

In doing so I had the interests of the entire board in mind. My work has less strict filters than a lot of posters do. Part of what I'm asked to do as a mod is ensure that we do not get blocked by people's places of work because of this kind of BS.

So why are youtube videos immune from your crusade? When you pick out only one of many filter issues on the site, it looks like a moral issue.

[molson]

So will wade be suspended for breaking the mod rule about communicating about mod issues?

[larrymcg421]

I don't know how your work filters work, but "child molester" certainly seems ot be something that could get attention, maybe even more attention than pictures of scantily clad women.

I'm allowed to be online at work, but they certainly wouldn't want me to be looking at a thread about child molesters, or even on a forum where there was such a thread. When that thread gets bumped, I close my browser and do not visit FOFC for the rest of the day.

I have no idea what work filter would catch MJ4H's thread but not the child molester one.

[wade moore]

The point is that the initial complaint is that the pictures could limit people's ability to access FOFC, which I've never seen justified, and now it's moving to more of a morality police area.

Is there a distinction made by your work filter if pictures are in one thread, as opposed to spread out across several threads?

Or if it's just your personal opinion and vision of the board you're talking about, just stay out his thread.

Let it be known that I'm trying to be helpful here, but the continuous red herrings are driving me nuts.

I have no f'ing clue what my work filter does.

Some scan file names. Some scan meta tags. Some scan file size. Some look for text in the messages on the board. Some have human intervention.

I don't know what my work does or what everyone here at FOFC has setup at their job.

What I do know is that a thread full of scantily clad 16-20 year olds has the POTENTIAL to set off alarms for a place of business. More so than a picture of a teacher in a sweat shirt for her mug shot that slept with a student, more so than a picture from the cover of Maxim magazine, and moreso than one single picture of a scantily clad 16-20 year old.

[sterlingice]

Everyone is willing to bitch about mod decisions but no one is willing to acknowledge that the board is generally a really good place to visit and rarely devolves into the kind of antics most boards see. I think the results are worth putting up with the occasional mod insanity (and I've really only run across one when a mod changed a title of a thread because some folks didn't agree with the politics in it...)

I think this is a little too simple. Sure, there are always a couple of people willing to argue about mod decisions and another couple with what I would call constructive criticism, but are the voices really that loud? There are 2 or 3 people talking about how bad a decision it is and 50 others making movie quotes to mock the banning. Isn't that pretty much tacit acceptance that it's no big deal, right?

SI

[wade moore]

So will wade be suspended for breaking the mod rule about communicating about mod issues?

There is no such mod rule.

[wade moore]

I think this is a little too simple. Sure, there are always a couple of people willing to argue about mod decisions and another couple with what I would call constructive criticism, but are the voices really that loud? There are 2 or 3 people talking about how bad a decision it is and 50 others making movie quotes to mock the banning. Isn't that pretty much tacit acceptance that it's no big deal, right?

SI

This was my take as well fwiw - and part of why I say I would have been better off just leaving this thread alone.

[MikeVic]

I'd say there are more than 2 or 3 people that disagree with the initial ruling. It really confused me as to what is and isn't allowed here.

[MacroGuru]

What I do know is that a thread full of scantily clad 16-20 year olds has the POTENTIAL to set off alarms for a place of business. More so than a picture of a teacher in a sweat shirt for her mug shot that slept with a student, more so than a picture from the cover of Maxim magazine, and moreso than one single picture of a scantily clad 16-20 year old.

When the images are hosted on Photobucket, and under one user account, and hidden in a spoiler tag....thats stretching it there...

The filter at the place I used to work out would have shut down on the child molester thread in a heartbeat, because of the text.

[Ksyrup]

Well, this sums it up for me...I guess I need to start visiting a few different boards, but before I head...take a gander at several hundred other threads throughout this board and make sure they get deleted, banned and what not, because we don't want the board to turn into that as well....

Do you need help finding those threads? Because I would be happy to go through and report them for not being "FOFC" type material.

Please start (and end) with any thread involving a picture of Kathy Griffin.

Thx

[Dr. Sak]

I don't know how your work filters work, but "child molester" certainly seems ot be something that could get attention, maybe even more attention than pictures of scantily clad women.

I'm allowed to be online at work, but they certainly wouldn't want me to be looking at a thread about child molesters, or even on a forum where there was such a thread. When that thread gets bumped, I close my browser and do not visit FOFC for the rest of the day.

I have no idea what work filter would catch MJ4H's thread but not the child molester one.

Now I know what to do next time you piss me off.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Please start (and end) with any thread involving a picture of Kathy Griffin.

Thx
Why you gotta treat me like that? :(

[gstelmack]

I generally like this place, but is it so hard for mods to explain stuff and admit they're wrong if a decision doesn't make sense?

Wade did explain: he posted questionable pics, they were removed, and he acted like an asshat behind the scenes to the mods. Much of the asshattery was in private to the mods and Wade does not want to air that dirty laundry. Seemed like a pretty clear explanation to me, but people always want to delve deeper.

[gstelmack]

Wade did explain: he posted questionable pics, they were removed, and he acted like an asshat behind the scenes to the mods. Much of the asshattery was in private to the mods and Wade does not want to air that dirty laundry. Seemed like a pretty clear explanation to me, but people always want to delve deeper.

To be clear: I am not a mod and have no idea what was said behind the scenes. I'm just reiterating Wade's explanation which was pretty straightforward in here.

[MacroGuru]

{snip}

[MikeVic]

Wade did explain: he posted questionable pics, they were removed, and he acted like an asshat behind the scenes to the mods. Much of the asshattery was in private to the mods and Wade does not want to air that dirty laundry. Seemed like a pretty clear explanation to me, but people always want to delve deeper.

The entire thread was removed, not just the pics.

[molson]

Wade's kind of taking a bullet for the faceless mod ogres here, I mean, anyone's entitled to complain about a thread or picture and have it looked into. Wade's opinions surely carry a lot more weight because he's an insider, but this thread really should be about the actual mod decision, which of course isn't possible, which leaves us all to speculate and complain about a real red herring - the reporting of the thread.

[MikeVic]

And here is MJ4H's response...it's linked on his Twitter account..

Well, that seems like asshat mods to me.

[molson]

Deleting the thread was an absolute asshat move. That's not something I thought we had to worry about.

[stevew]

I see another boxing coming in 3.2.1....

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Let it be known that I'm trying to be helpful here, but the continuous red herrings are driving me nuts.

I have no f'ing clue what my work filter does.


No wade, it's not a red herring, but we are led to believe the thread was deleted because it crosses some risk-threshold for people being able to go to FOFC at work. It's been pointed out that the thread could not possibly be more risky than any number of other threads here. Just waving your hands at work filters as a justification for actions is an odd way to respond to them.

[JonInMiddleGA]

{shrugs} I'm not seeing a big problem here.

WTF hot chick pics had to do with a poker dynasty escapes me (well, not entirely, trying to drum up hits I guess, but generally speaking the two aren't directly related).

And reposting them under the circumstances he describes himself seems like no less than a 50-50 bet to get boxed, not completely predictable but not exactly shocking either.

edit to add: The other point that seems to be missed in this thread is that the owner of the forum can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants. Sometimes that concept gets obscured over time I think, but this isn't a democracy and ultimately nobody owes any of us jack shit in the way of explanations.

[wade moore]

It's been pointed out that the thread could not possibly be more risky than any number of other threads here.

I have not seen that proven in any way, shape, or form. I see people throwing that logic out there - I have yet to see it proven.

[Ben E Lou]

I see another boxing coming in 3.2.1....You win the thread.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I have not seen that proven in any way, shape, or form. I see people throwing that logic out there - I have yet to see it proven.

Unless human eyes are looking at MJ4H's thread, there is nothing objectionable.

The odds that human eyes at an IT department are looking at MJ4H's thread without the FOFC user having looked at it at work are small.

There are text issues, linking issues, and similar content concerns with many other threads here.

QED Many other threads here are at least as objectionable as MJ4H's thread.

[MacroGuru]

hahahaha, and I get edited!

[MikeVic]

I have not seen that proven in any way, shape, or form. I see people throwing that logic out there - I have yet to see it proven.


I have no f'ing clue what my work filter does.

Some look for text in the messages on the board.


So... the hot child molester thread then?

[wade moore]

So... the hot child molester thread then?

If the goal of you and others is to get other threads deleted, be careful what you wish for.

[molson]

{snip}

Classic

[molson]

hahahaha, and I get edited!

How are you even still here?

[molson]

You win the thread.

At least we'll get Wade's "2-3 suspensions/bannings a year" out of the way today.

[Dr. Sak]

It's the fuckin Catalina wine mixer

[Pumpy Tudors]

shitstorm warning in effect for fofc county

[heybrad]

If the goal of you and others is to get other threads deleted, be careful what you wish for.
YEAH BITCHES... HE'LL SHOW YOU.

[wade moore]

At least we'll get Wade's "2-3 suspensions/bannings a year" out of the way today.:shurg:

Find me 2 other boxings in the last 364 days.

Good luck.

[molson]

And MacroGuru is in the box.

[stevew]

You win the thread.

YAY-

And a BRAND new Car!

[MikeVic]

If the goal of you and others is to get other threads deleted, be careful what you wish for.

No I don't want threads deleted, that's the point. Other threads that could POTENTIALLY be worse for work filters have existed here for a long time. Why was this MJ4H thread handled differently?

[Ksyrup]

I think the problem here is that MJ4H expected immediate action on his PM and refused to wait for an answer before taking matters into his own hands. It's quite clear to me that Ben was handling this personally at wade's request that he look at it. Contrary to widespread belief, the mods here do not work shifts or patrol the virtual halls like 4th grade hall monitors actively seeking out troublemakers or responding to issues pro-actively. Absent some sort of attack on the forum that requires immediate action - which I don't recall ever happening - I believe the most any of us has ever done is post an issue up for discussion in the mod forum or ping Ben/Ryan for them to get involved or handle the issue.

So, for MJ4H to think that on the weekend, someone (in this case, he only sent his PM to Ben it appears, definitely not the general mod group because I didn't get it) would immediately respond to his request to restore the thread without pics, is a bit ridiculous. I can't speak for Ben, but my guess is that if he had waited a day or two for Ben to respond, this never would have reached the point it did. At a minimum, knowing that the pics were considered objectionable, and not having heard from Ben, if he really couldn't wait to re-post the thread, I wouldn't have expected him to include any reference to the pics, twitter account or no. But that's just me. Again, I'm not speaking for Ben, but if a second thread had popped up with nothing but the poker stuff in it, I don't think we'd be having this discussion.

If MJ4H had taken it slow, it would have worked itself out fine. All he needed was just a little patience.

*cue whistling*

[cartman]

Gawddangit Wade, this isn't a draft thread. This is the kind of behavior you show regularly in those.

[stevew]

And MacroGuru is in the box.

Nothing personal against him, cause I like him.

But if you post "words of someone beyond the grave" you're going to get boxed 100000% percent of the time.

[gstelmack]

:shurg:

Find me 2 other boxings in the last 364 days.

Good luck.

I'm pretty sure I can do that just by searching for Anthony and Hell Atlantic ;)

[Mustang]

shitstorm warning in effect for fofc county

I LOL'd

[molson]

:shurg:

Find me 2 other boxings in the last 364 days.

Good luck.

There were two in the last 24 hours.

Hell Atlanic several times before that.

And me once.

That's 4. (I'm guess the real number is several times that, but this is secret information).

What do I win?

[wade moore]

Gawddangit Wade, this isn't a draft thread. This is the kind of behavior you show regularly in those.:(

[Dr. Sak]

What do I win?

http://openclipart.org/people/molumen/molumen_cardboard_box.png

[larrymcg421]

{shrugs} I'm not seeing a big problem here.

WTF hot chick pics had to do with a poker dynasty escapes me (well, not entirely, trying to drum up hits I guess, but generally speaking the two aren't directly related).

And reposting them under the circumstances he describes himself seems like no less than a 50-50 bet to get boxed, not completely predictable but not exactly shocking either.


How does saying they are on his twitter even qualify as "reposting"?

[molson]

Nothing personal against him, cause I like him.

But if you post "words of someone beyond the grave" you're going to get boxed 100000% percent of the time.

Fair enough. I didn't know that.

What would be awesome if there was a sticked post that contained that info.

1. "Banned for quoting a boxed poster".

Now, how quoting a boxed member in any way negatively impacts the boards is beyond me, but it's been apparent for years that that's not the goal of the mods. It's a pissing match, and they have the only weapon to end it, so they do.

[RendeR]

{snip}



Unless this post was over and above HA-style content then this "snipping" is utter and complete bullshit.


people are getting a bit power mad around here.


As for the original issue, Wade you were a total douchebag about this. Nothing in that thread was anywhere NEAR as bad as other threads that have been around for eternity. You keep reiterating 16-20 year olds when you actually have no fucking clue how old any of them are. You admit knowing nothing substantial about how filters work and still you try to base your arguments around such things.

You fucked up. Please stop being an assfuck and at least admit as much.


holy christ on a fucking crutch.

Bannings and boxings aside. The orignal action of slamming MJ4H and deleting that thread was a completely ignorant, PERSONAL and malicious act.

[wade moore]

There were two in the last 24 hours.

Hell Atlanic several times before that.

And me once.

That's 4. (I'm guess the real number is several times that, but this is secret information).

What do I win?

HA has not been boxed "several times" in the last year.

And by "secret" you mean a list is not posted on the board. I'm pretty confident that no boxing at FOFC has ever gone unnoticed.

fwiw - we don't keep a "list" internally either. Boxings are so rare there really isn't a need to "keep track".

Edit: To remove douchiness on my part. Someone probably already quoted it though.

[sterlingice]

shitstorm warning in effect for fofc county

Nice :)

Does that mean there's a little brown box over the area on the map? ;)

SI

[wade moore]

Bannings and boxings aside. The orignal action of slamming MJ4H and deleting that thread was a completely ignorant, PERSONAL and malicious act.

If you think that was personal, then you take message boards way too seriously.

I had no personal issue with MJ4H and to my knowledge ben did not either.

[molson]

If you think that was personal, then you take message boards way too seriously.



I would take it personally if someone deleted my dynasty when they had the option, as you stated earlier, to request that it be undeleted.

It's not the end of the world or anything, but I put a lot of time into it, and MJFH's was pushing 5-6 pages.

[molson]

If you think that was personal, then you take message boards way too seriously.

I had no personal issue with MJ4H and to my knowledge ben did not either.

You've said that the actual boxing was based on communications betwen MJFH and the mods. That's personal, because it's not something that has anything to do with the mod or anyone else. When MJFH gets boxed for criticizing the mods in another thread, that's personal. Mods clearly make decisions with emotions, it's when they're crossed that shit goes down. The good of the board is window-dressing, a secondary concern.

I don't think anything you did was personal.

[digamma]

And by "secret" you mean a list is not posted on the board. I'm pretty confident that no boxing at FOFC has ever gone unnoticed.


Not since everyone realized what a ghost-banning was, anyway.

/digamma throws in a vote for more ghost bannings.

[RendeR]

If you think that was personal, then you take message boards way too seriously.

I had no personal issue with MJ4H and to my knowledge ben did not either.


Nopt personal with matt, personal with what you saw, you didn't like the pics in teh thread for whatever reason you THOUGHT was valid, and you jumped the shark trying to do something about it.

Problem is you never stopped to say "well, how does this compare to anything else out there?

Hrm, it's pretty much the norm and tis not breaking any REAL rules now is it?

Douchebag.

[sterlingice]

YAY-

And a BRAND new Car!

Kuni: Ahhh, a red snapper. Mmmmm, very tasty. Okay, Weaver, listen carefully. You can hold on to your red snapper...
{Hiro-San emerges, carrying a table with a box}
Kuni: ...or you can go for what's in the box that Hiro-San is bringing down the aisle right now! What's it gonna be?
{Phyllis Weaver has difficulty in choosing as the audience point to the box}
Phyllis Weaver: I'll take the box. The box!
{applause}
Kuni: You took the box? Let's see what's in the box!
{Hiro-san opens the box; the audience gasps. There is a silence}
Kuni: Nothing! Absolutely nothing! STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!

SI

[wade moore]

I would take it personally if someone deleted my dynasty when they had the option, as you stated earlier, to request that it be undeleted.

It's not the end of the world or anything, but I put a lot of time into it, and MJFH's was pushing 5-6 pages.

Well, without being involved, I suspect KSyrup is correct in his assessment.

I can say, for a fact (and hopefully Ben doesn't mind me mentioning this private discussion), that Ben began by trying to delete out all of the images. However, it became I time issue so he deleted the thread with the intentions of possibly going back to delete the images at a later time.

So, I suspect that KSyrup's analysis is correct - MJ4H likely was impatient. We mods have lives, particularly on the weekends.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I'm going to post a thread with nothing but pictures of a barely-dressed Kathy Griffin. I took the pictures myself while I was hiding in her bushes.

[wade moore]

Nopt personal with matt, personal with what you saw, you didn't like the pics in teh thread for whatever reason you THOUGHT was valid, and you jumped the shark trying to do something about it.

Problem is you never stopped to say "well, how does this compare to anything else out there?

Hrm, it's pretty much the norm and tis not breaking any REAL rules now is it?

Douchebag.

That's your analysis of the situation, I disagree.

I believe that that thread was clearly out of character from any other thread on FOFC.

Just because you believe it, doesn't make it fact. This is clearly a subjective situation.

[Ksyrup]

I'm going to post a thread with nothing but pictures of a barely-dressed Kathy Griffin. I took the pictures myself while I was hiding in her bushes.

I will take that personally.

[RendeR]

If you think that was personal, then you take message boards way too seriously.

I had no personal issue with MJ4H and to my knowledge ben did not either.


And you still haven't even tried to refute the ignorance in your actual arguments. nothing you've stated that you based your decision on is actually viable. Its comes down to YOUR opinion and thats fucked up.


if you honestly believe you did right then EVERY SINGLE THREAD with a good looking woman's pic in it MUST be deleted also.

Lets bring the fucking police state to FULL auto here boys.

[MikeVic]

I'm going to post a thread with nothing but pictures of a barely-dressed Kathy Griffin. I took the pictures myself while I was hiding in her bushes.

Please no, I'll report it.

[wade moore]

And at this point I'm going to take the advice of people smarter than me.

This is my last post in this thread.

[RendeR]

That's your analysis of the situation, I disagree.

I believe that that thread was clearly out of character from any other thread on FOFC.

Just because you believe it, doesn't make it fact. This is clearly a subjective situation.



First fucking thing you've posted that might actually be true. Check that mirror Wade, POt, fucking KETTLE...

[RendeR]

And at this point I'm going to take the advice of people smarter than me.

This is my last post in this thread.



Somone finally told him "Dude, yer getting yer ass kicked here, get out while you have an ass left"

[JonInMiddleGA]

How does saying they are on his twitter even qualify as "reposting"?

The intent seems similar enough to fit the description afaic.

While I'm posting anyway, I think it's kind of funny how all of this could have been avoided if he had just stuck to poker.

[cartman]

Nice edit in post #224. Quite Freudian. :D

[MikeVic]

I still don't agree with the original mod decision, and I think the intent of MJ4H with his threads was to follow the rules, so I think this is complete bullshit but we'll never get it corrected.

[MikeVic]

Nice edit in post #224. Quite Freudian. :D

I wanted to quote it, but RendeR already changed it. :(

[molson]

RE: "This being a good board"

I agree, but credit for that shouldn't go to the mods. It's irritating when that's used as justification for mod asshats.

This board isn't good because of the mods. This board is good because of Jim G. (and text sims in general), and the type of person that those things attract.

I'm not moved by this idea that the mods here are super-brilliant because this place isn't like the Howard Stern Message Board or something. It's a different audience. The people here are the kinds of people that can enjoy TEXT SIMS. It's not a unruly, rowdy crowd.

[ISiddiqui]

Like the Iranian Revolution come to the #FOFC hashtag on Twitter to go around official channels ;).

[molson]

Somone finally told him "Dude, yer getting yer ass kicked here, get out while you have an ass left"

Nah, it was more like, "get out of there, those plebeians don't understand our super-serious and important message board management"

[RendeR]

Nice edit in post #224. Quite Freudian. :D



SHHHHHHH

[RendeR]

Nah, it was more like, "get out of there, those plebeians don't understand our super-serious and important message board management"


Which is traanslated from "dumbass" to what I posted ;)

[Mustang]

The link. You posted it, We came.
It's just a link!
Oh, No. It is a means to summon us.
Who are you?
Mods in the further regions of experience. Asshats to some. Guardians to others.
It was a mistake, I didn't mean to post it! You can all go to Sportsdiggs!
We can't, not alone. You posted the link. We came. Now you must come with us. Taste our modding.
Please... go away and leave the thread alone!
Oh, no posting please. It's a waste of good words.
Wait! Wait, please, wait.
No time for argument.
You've banned before, right?
Many, may times.
To a man called jbmagic?
Oh, yes.
He escaped you.
Nobody escapes us
He did. I've seen him. I've seen him.
lmpossible!
He's alive!
Supposing he had escaped us. What has that to do with you?
I can... I can lead you to him.
And you can ban him again instead of me.
Perhaps we prefer you. I want to hear him confess himself, then maybe... but if you cheat us. We'll ban your soul apart!

[Subby]

Ben doesn't own the board. He sold it to OS - so if you have a problem with how it is modded, you can always escalate to that level.

[Mustang]

It's a different audience. The people here are the kinds of people that can enjoy TEXT SIMS. It's not a unruly, rowdy crowd.

I'd agree with this. The board is pretty good at policing itself and has a way of ostracizing people that are asshats. When most people seem to be scratching their head over this particular ban, I can only come to the conclusion that it was just a personal item and just a display of 'I have a bigger penis than you...'

[RendeR]

Ben doesn't own the board. He sold it to OS - so if you have a problem with how it is modded, you can always escalate to that level.


As is the case with Ben, taking to ANY level on this board is worthless ebcause there is no intent to actually moderate the board fairly and evenly. Ben and the mods cover their own asses quite solidly. Ben's position has pretty much always been "never back down, never surrender" even when faced with blatant evidence of asshattery on someone's part.

[TCY Junkie]

I got boxed when I saw this mom treat her kid like a midget trying to hump her leg. You can't hit them off of you in public, you might break them. I lost interest in learning about people of this bored after I figured they either don't care about kids one bit or they can't discuss serious things in alternative ways. Maybe it was just a mod that didn't understand my online ways like many others.

I never got a warning and I deserved one because I'm pretty sure no one played TCY more than I did and that has to count for something, somewhere.

[RendeR]

I do agree that the community on the whole tends to police itself fairly well. If you look back over the years these little episodes only tend to flair up when one of the moderators gets a bug up his ass and wants to imprint his personal moral code on everyone else.


That or Anthoney gets a hemmeroid.

[RedKingGold]

Anyone else looking foward to the day RendeR learns how to use the shift or caps lock key?

[Dr. Sak]

As is the case with Ben, taking to ANY level on this board is worthless ebcause there is no intent to actually moderate the board fairly and evenly. Ben and the mods cover their own asses quite solidly. Ben's position has pretty much always been "never back down, never surrender" even when faced with blatant evidence of asshattery on someone's part.

This is another push toward communism, not only in the USA but at FOFC.

[Subby]

As is the case with Ben, taking to ANY level on this board is worthless ebcause there is no intent to actually moderate the board fairly and evenly. Ben and the mods cover their own asses quite solidly. Ben's position has pretty much always been "never back down, never surrender" even when faced with blatant evidence of asshattery on someone's part.
Well if that's the case then maybe someone should go to OS. Otherwise I think this is all just so much posturing and pissing in the wind.

[RedKingGold]

Also, Wade, while I'm sure you mean well, there is just no point to arguing with these idiots. They'll always think they're right and they're awesome because they just are that awesome and right.

[RendeR]

Anyone else looking foward to the day RendeR learns how to use the shift or caps lock key?


WTF is this about?

[RendeR]

Well if that's the case then maybe someone should go to OS. Otherwise I think this is all just so much posturing and pissing in the wind.


The whole point Subby is that OS doesn't give a shit about internal polotics of any given board on their server. So going above the level of "we're never wrong" to "we never care" is pretty well pointless.

And frankly you're right, its always just pissing into the wind, but if we don't at least react to idiocy then idiocy becomes the accepted norm instead of the enforced norm.

[cartman]

I see RendeR and Wade as two sides of the same coin. They both post to make their point, and both keep on posting the same thing over and over and cause people to no longer support their point.

[RendeR]

I RendeR and Wade as two sides of the same coin. They both post to make their point, and both keep on posting the same thing over and over and cause people to no longer support their point.


This would be true IF wade had anything to make his point with.

and Fuck you too cartman =)

[gstelmack]

I think I've seen this thread before. Usually in one of the cop threads. And the same people who think it's okay to talk back to a cop are the same ones up in arms over MJ4H being boxed. There's a life lesson here: talk back to the folks in authority at your own peril. There are better ways of handling a problem.

[Subby]

Wade means well - I just think there is a breakdown when he tries to explain himself. He gets flustered when people start attacking him.

Ben, on the other hand, doesn't really care whether you live or die. :D