Fuck Ted Ginn

[larrymcg421]

That is all.

[DaddyTorgo]

he is pretty horrible

[Izulde]

Fuck the whole team for giving up that huge lead.

[Lathum]

Players the Dolphins could have taken who were taken shortly after Ginn

DPatrick Willis
Darelle Revis
Leon Hall
Aaron Ross
Dwayne Bowe
Anthony Gonzalez

[larrymcg421]

Fuck the whole team for giving up that huge lead.

Certainly, but Ginn has got to go. There is no reason he should be out there. One long pass against the Jets doesn't excuse the total embarrassment he is at WR.

[Izulde]

Certainly, but Ginn has got to go. There is no reason he should be out there. One long pass against the Jets doesn't excuse the total embarrassment he is at WR.

Oh I agree absolutely. Hell, Bess as a starter would be better than Ginn.

[Bad-example]

If you guys really hated Ted Ginn you would put "Fuck Ted Ginn" in giant red letters in your sig.

[TheOhioStateUniversity]

Now, now, the Browns will take him

[Groundhog]

Dolphins should've checked the OVR rating drop before trying to switch him from an Athlete to WR.

[RedKingGold]

Does he work at ESPN now?

[aran]

Ted Ginn only looked reasonably good in when he was wearing the bunny ears or that ref shirt.

[MizzouRah]

Now, now, the Browns will take him

or the Rams...

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Doesn't Cam need a WR that will suit his offense in Baltimore? As a punt returner his value is even greater. Surely a hall-of-fame PR if there ever was one.

[Tigercat]

Doesn't Cam need a WR that will suit his offense in Baltimore? As a punt returner his value is even greater. Surely a hall-of-fame PR if there ever was one.

He's from a hall of fame family, that's for sure.

[Greyroofoo]

I wonder if the Raider's have inquired about him.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

He's from a hall of fame family, that's for sure.

For sure. You know his dad's a coach, don't you?

[DeToxRox]

I'd condone a trade for Ted Ginn if it gave Michigan access to Glenville.

[Tigercat]

For sure. You know his dad's a coach, don't you?

Ted Ginn's Dad would give the Browns everything he has. Cleveland's fans would enjoy watching Ginn's father watch Ginn play for a long, long time as a Brown.

[Chief Rum]

Players the Dolphins could have taken who were taken shortly after Ginn

DPatrick Willis
Darelle Revis
Leon Hall
Aaron Ross
Dwayne Bowe
Anthony Gonzalez

In context of the history of complaints on the Ginn pick, I find it funny no Brady Quinn on this list.

[Kodos]

Luckily, the Dolphins cleverly traded away Wes Welker before drafting Ted Ginn. Nice move!

[Rizon]

Done

If you guys really hated Ted Ginn you would put "Fuck Ted Ginn" in giant red letters in your sig.

[Rizon]

Done now?

[Rizon]

Signature fail?

[Poli]

For sure. You know his dad's a coach, don't you?
For a second there, I thought you were talking about Cameron. His dad was a coach as well.

[Balldog]

I'd condone a trade for Ted Ginn if it gave Michigan access to Glenville.

Dream on. :devil:

[Bad-example]

Done

:D

[ShaneTheMaster]

I must say I am a HUGE Ted Ginn fan.

Sincerely,
Saints fan

[RomaGoth]

Luckily, the Dolphins cleverly traded away Wes Welker before drafting Ted Ginn. Nice move!

I think he was actually released. So, the Dolphins got nothing for Welker, and then got nothing when they drafted Ginn.

Two nothings for free. Very nice, Miami!!

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

No, Welker was traded.

Second and seventh I believe.

[DaddyTorgo]

Luckily, the Dolphins cleverly traded away Wes Welker before drafting Ted Ginn. Nice move!

Tom Brady would like to thank you for that

[Kodos]

Welker was like the one bright spot on our offense. And then they trade him away. To our arch rivals.

[jeff061]

Well they didn't really trade him away. They gave him a shitty tender, anyone could have swept in and claimed him. The Pats did, they threw a 7th round and did a "legit" trade just to keep relations positive. But they could have offered a poison deal to welker and sent nothing but a 2nd. Miami had no choice.

Miami should have offered a higher tender, no clue in the least why they didn't. Couple hundred thousand more and its a 1st rounder right?

[Kodos]

The former Dolphins front office just radiated competence.

I hate having to root against Welker.

[Noop]

It's hard to watch football.

[Samdari]

Well they didn't really trade him away. They gave him a shitty tender, anyone could have swept in and claimed him. The Pats did, they threw a 7th round and did a "legit" trade just to keep relations positive. But they could have offered a poison deal to welker and sent nothing but a 2nd. Miami had no choice.

Miami should have offered a higher tender, no clue in the least why they didn't. Couple hundred thousand more and its a 1st rounder right?

The reaction at the time was, "what is New England thinking giving a second round pick for this guy?"

Some interesting stats:
Ginn's first two years: 1210 yards
Anothy Gonzalez: 1240
Welker: 1121 (ignores his 2004 season, 14 gp, 0 receptions.)

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

The reaction at the time was, "what is New England thinking giving a second round pick for this guy?"


I'm not sure this is at all accurate. Most NE fans I know saw how dangerous he was with Miami and were glad to have him.

Also, he wasn't used in Miami nearly as much as Ginn has, so it makes sense that Ginn has outgained him.

[stevew]

Well they didn't really trade him away. They gave him a shitty tender, anyone could have swept in and claimed him. The Pats did, they threw a 7th round and did a "legit" trade just to keep relations positive. But they could have offered a poison deal to welker and sent nothing but a 2nd. Miami had no choice.

Miami should have offered a higher tender, no clue in the least why they didn't. Couple hundred thousand more and its a 1st rounder right?

Something like that. Although I think it was at least 800K or so more.

[Samdari]

I'm not sure this is at all accurate. Most NE fans I know saw how dangerous he was with Miami and were glad to have him.

I think that's revisionist history. A 2nd round pick for a guy who was a special teamer/4th WR is quite a lot.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Shurg. He played well against the Pats, I remember that. I also remember winning a couple of fantasy football leagues by drafting him in 07, so maybe it was more of a me thing than an everybody else thing. I certainly didn't see 100 receptions, but I knew he would be a great signing.

And looking here (Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1411284#post1411284)) it seems that most Pats fans are on board with the move, the only people who aren't were fans of other teams.

[stevew]

2007 Compensation Salary

1st & 3rd Round Pick $2,350,000
1st Round Pick $1,850,000
2nd Round Pick $1,300,000
Players Original Draft Round $850,000

[fantom1979]

Better trade? Welker to the Pats or Roy Williams to the Cowboys?

[Passacaglia]

Shurg. He played well against the Pats, I remember that. I also remember winning a couple of fantasy football leagues by drafting him in 07, so maybe it was more of a me thing than an everybody else thing. I certainly didn't see 100 receptions, but I knew he would be a great signing.

And looking here (Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1411284&postcount=420)) it seems that most Pats fans are on board with the move, the only people who aren't were fans of other teams.

I recall Dolphins fans being pretty pissed about the trade back then, too.

[albionmoonlight]

I wonder why the NFL does not do more "our guy with potential who has not worked out" for "your guy with potential who has not worked out" trades. Brady Quinn for Vince Young for example. Or Ginn for . . . I don't know, maybe Craig Davis? Is he even still in the league?

Point is, once you figure that a guy has demonstrated that he will not work in your system/for your coach/for your fans, he has very little value to you. Why not try and flip that into a 5% chance that you can turn around another team's problem with a change of scenery? Isn't that better than just letting him quietly leave as a FA in two years?

[Big Fo]

2007 Compensation Salary

1st & 3rd Round Pick $2,350,000
1st Round Pick $1,850,000
2nd Round Pick $1,300,000
Players Original Draft Round $850,000

Just another gem of a decision by the old regime letting him go for a R2 and a R7.

[Apathetic Lurker]

As a Bills fan, I applaud the decision of the Miami "brain" trust to draft Ted Ginn.

As a ff team owner I have 3 Miami players on my roster, none named Ginn

[larrymcg421]

The reaction at the time was, "what is New England thinking giving a second round pick for this guy?"

Some interesting stats:
Ginn's first two years: 1210 yards
Anothy Gonzalez: 1240
Welker: 1121 (ignores his 2004 season, 14 gp, 0 receptions.)

Yeah, but...

Games Started
Ginn - 23
Gonzalez - 11
Welker - 3

[QuikSand]

I wonder why the NFL does not do more "our guy with potential who has not worked out" for "your guy with potential who has not worked out" trades. Brady Quinn for Vince Young for example. Or Ginn for . . . I don't know, maybe Craig Davis? Is he even still in the league?

Point is, once you figure that a guy has demonstrated that he will not work in your system/for your coach/for your fans, he has very little value to you. Why not try and flip that into a 5% chance that you can turn around another team's problem with a change of scenery? Isn't that better than just letting him quietly leave as a FA in two years?

I might be able to pull these names correctly without digging... I'm thinking John Avery for Marcus Nash? I agree, you'd think this might make sense more often than we see it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Shurg. He played well against the Pats, I remember that. I also remember winning a couple of fantasy football leagues by drafting him in 07, so maybe it was more of a me thing than an everybody else thing. I certainly didn't see 100 receptions, but I knew he would be a great signing.

And looking here (Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1411284#post1411284)) it seems that most Pats fans are on board with the move, the only people who aren't were fans of other teams.

some gems in that thread - like this one by flere

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1411170&postcount=413)

[QuikSand]

By the way...

(1) Fuck Ted Ginn

(2) Isn't the ultimate punchline here that he isn't even a full time return man for the team? Good grief.

[DaddyTorgo]

Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1411869)

-BishopMVP prefers Joe Horn to Randy Moss...whoops

[DaddyTorgo]

Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1411926)

-Arles is not a fan of Wes Welker at all.

[MikeVic]

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1411277&postcount=418)

lol pretty timely, how did Benson work out for the Bears. :p

[DaddyTorgo]

we really need to mine those 2-3 year old offseason threads and cherry-pick comments john stewart style.

[Passacaglia]

Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1411869)

-BishopMVP prefers Joe Horn to Randy Moss...whoops

Come on, the guy's name is BishopMVP -- he's already colossally chosen the wrong QB as it is, you think this one is going to faze him?

[Logan]

Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1411926)

-Arles is not a fan of Wes Welker at all.

But in fairness to him, he also said a good alternative to Welker would be USC's Steve Smith. Nice call.

[jeff061]

The reaction at the time was, "what is New England thinking giving a second round pick for this guy?"

Some interesting stats:
Ginn's first two years: 1210 yards
Anothy Gonzalez: 1240
Welker: 1121 (ignores his 2004 season, 14 gp, 0 receptions.)


I don't think that was the reaction in New England. Certainly didn't think it was a steal, but I didn't hear much dissent, if any. He had torn up the Pats a couple times and shown some balls.

[Kodos]

I was sad to see one of the few Dolphins I like (Welker) go to the hated Patriots. :(

I was on the ball.

[stevew]

I had no idea who the fuck Ted Ginn, Sr was until like a week or so ago.
Juniors with non well known fathers should never be able to use the moniker. And just cause the dude I guess coaches a big high school in Ohio doesn't really make him that famous. I thought he was a pro football player, or some other kind of celeb athlete.

And while we're at it, and I'm ranting on annoying things, Mike Sims-Walker, Maurice Jones-Drew, etc etc....all you fucks pick one last name and stick with it. (except DD, he can do what he wants)

[larrymcg421]

Fuck Ted Ginn.

[BishopMVP]

Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1411869)

-BishopMVP prefers Joe Horn to Randy Moss...whoopsHow did I get dragged into this :confused:

(That was pretty bad, although I think at the time the rumors were a #1 for Moss. I know I was a huge supporter of getting him for a #4.)

[Rizon]

Ginn still sucks horribly as a receiver. Still not worth the pick.
Up until now, he's been very average as a returner. Not the type of returner we expected from The Family (jk, yeah we expected it!).

[DanGarion]

I would not for a million dollars.

[Big Fo]

Crucial drop there on 4th and 15. Fuck Ted Ginn.

[DaddyTorgo]

How did I get dragged into this :confused:

(That was pretty bad, although I think at the time the rumors were a #1 for Moss. I know I was a huge supporter of getting him for a #4.)

i dunno - was just looking back thru that thread

[BishopMVP]

i dunno - was just looking back thru that threadNo worries. I just know I've got so many predictions and statements here I'm screwed if someone wanted to cherrypick Daily Show style. :DCrucial drop there on 4th and 15. Fuck Ted Ginn.Brian Hartline had an even worse one just before. Maybe drafting Ohio St. WR's not the right choice for you.

[SegRat]

Awsome Ginn H
highlight video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYSxJgjjJFc

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Rizon, you're off the hook.

[claphamsa]

ha, I was looking for this to bump....

[Rizon]

Ginn drops on the depth chart to .. what, 5th receiver now?

[Rizon]

Oh shit, he just got traded to the Niners .... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Great, so now I get to laugh at him on TV every week.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

The irony of him being traded to Bad-example's (presumed) team is not lost on me.

[Kodos]

But he still comes from a good family, and is an elite kick returner who has rarely done much returning kicks.

[larrymcg421]

I'm only disappointed that we couldn't trade him within the division.

[larrymcg421]

The Dolphins got the same value for Ginn that the Steelers got for Santonio Holmes.

[Bad-example]

The irony of him being traded to Bad-example's (presumed) team is not lost on me.

Heh. My only connection to Ted Ginn was the signature suggestion I posted a few months ago, which Rizon boldly took and ran with. If I hated the fellow myself, those big red letters would have been in *my* sig. :)

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Well sure, he just got to your team!

[larrymcg421]

Heh. My only connection to Ted Ginn was the signature suggestion I posted a few months ago, which Rizon boldly took and ran with. If I hated the fellow myself, those big red letters would have been in *my* sig. :)

Give it time.

[kingfc22]

Give it time.

Hell as long as he can field a punt and return a kick to the 30 yard line. I will be ecstatic as that alone will outshine any of the Niners returners from the past few years.

As a receiver, I could care less if he only catches 20 balls as I would rather see touches go to Davis, Crabtree, Gore, Morgan,and a few others before he sees action.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Hell as long as he can field a punt and return a kick to the 30 yard line

tbd

[Subby]

RT @Adam_Schefter: RT @MattMaiocco: In '07, 49ers were THRILLED when Dolphins took Ginn at No. 9 (SF took Willis at 11.) Now they're giving up No. 145 for him.

[Rizon]

Is Cam Cameron coaching for the Niners this year?

[Subby]

Ravens, I think.

[Izulde]

The awesomeness of this can not be understated.