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clemsonfan

11-19-2009, 06:03 AM

I couldn't wait any longer for this thread. I'm too excited for this weekend's football!

Tonight:

<TABLE summary="College Football, Buffaloes at Cowboys(7:30 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="232" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="232" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="232" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="232" sizcache="0">Colorado (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=38)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="233" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>12</TD><TD class=team sizset="233" sizcache="0">Oklahoma State (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=197)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Friday:

<TABLE summary="College Football, Broncos at Aggies(9:30 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="236" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="236" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="236" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>6</TD><TD class=team sizset="236" sizcache="0">Boise State (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=68)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="237" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="237" sizcache="0">Utah State (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=328)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Saturday:

<TABLE summary="College Football, Golden Panthers at Gators(12:30 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="240" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="240" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="240" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="240" sizcache="0">Florida International (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2229)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="241" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>1</TD><TD class=team sizset="241" sizcache="0">Florida (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=57)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Mocs at Crimson Tide(12:21 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="244" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="244" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="244" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="244" sizcache="0">Chattanooga (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=236)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="245" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>2</TD><TD class=team sizset="245" sizcache="0">Alabama (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=333)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Jayhawks at Longhorns(8:00 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="248" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="248" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="248" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="248" sizcache="0">Kansas (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2305)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="249" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>3</TD><TD class=team sizset="249" sizcache="0">Texas (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=251)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Horned Frogs at Cowboys(2:00 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="252" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="252" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="252" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>4</TD><TD class=team sizset="252" sizcache="0">TCU (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2628)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="253" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="253" sizcache="0">Wyoming (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2751)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Tigers at Rebels(3:30 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="257" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="257" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="257" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>8</TD><TD class=team sizset="257" sizcache="0">LSU (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=99)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="258" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="258" sizcache="0">Mississippi (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=145)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Buckeyes at Wolverines(12:00 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="261" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="261" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="261" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>10</TD><TD class=team sizset="261" sizcache="0">Ohio State (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=194)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="262" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="262" sizcache="0">Michigan (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=130)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Ducks at Wildcats(8:00 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="265" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="265" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="265" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>11</TD><TD class=team sizset="265" sizcache="0">Oregon (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2483)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="266" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="266" sizcache="0">Arizona (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=12)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Golden Gophers at Hawkeyes(12:00 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="269" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="269" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="269" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="269" sizcache="0">Minnesota (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=135)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="270" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>13</TD><TD class=team sizset="270" sizcache="0">Iowa (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2294)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Nittany Lions at Spartans(3:30 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="273" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="273" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="273" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>14</TD><TD class=team sizset="273" sizcache="0">Penn State (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=213)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="274" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="274" sizcache="0">Michigan State (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=127)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Wolfpack at Hokies(3:30 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="277" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="277" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="277" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="277" sizcache="0">North Carolina State (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=152)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="278" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>15</TD><TD class=team sizset="278" sizcache="0">Virginia Tech (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=259)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Badgers at Wildcats(3:30 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="281" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="281" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="281" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>16</TD><TD class=team sizset="281" sizcache="0">Wisconsin (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=275)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="282" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="282" sizcache="0">Northwestern (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=77)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Golden Bears at Cardinal(7:30 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="285" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="285" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="285" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>25</TD><TD class=team sizset="285" sizcache="0">California (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=25)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="286" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>17</TD><TD class=team sizset="286" sizcache="0">Stanford (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=24)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Beavers at Cougars(5:00 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="290" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="290" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="290" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>19</TD><TD class=team sizset="290" sizcache="0">Oregon State (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=204)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="291" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="291" sizcache="0">Washington State (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=265)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Blue Devils at Hurricanes(12:00 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="295" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="295" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="295" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="295" sizcache="0">Duke (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=150)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="296" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>20</TD><TD class=team sizset="296" sizcache="0">Miami (FL) (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2390)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Aztecs at Utes(4:00 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="299" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="299" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="299" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="299" sizcache="0">San Diego State (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=21)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="300" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>21</TD><TD class=team sizset="300" sizcache="0">Utah (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=254)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Falcons at Cougars(3:30 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="304" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="304" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="304" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="304" sizcache="0">Air Force (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2005)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="305" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>22</TD><TD class=team sizset="305" sizcache="0">Brigham Young (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=252)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Cavaliers at Tigers(3:30 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="309" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="309" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="309" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="309" sizcache="0">Virginia (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=258)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="310" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>23</TD><TD class=team sizset="310" sizcache="0">Clemson (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=228)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE summary="College Football, Tigers at Cougars(1:00 PM ET, 0-0)" sizset="313" sizcache="0"><TBODY sizset="313" sizcache="0"><TR sizset="313" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank></TD><TD class=team sizset="313" sizcache="0">Memphis (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=235)</TD><TD class=points></TD></TR><TR class=home sizset="314" sizcache="0"><TD class=rank>24</TD><TD class=team sizset="314" sizcache="0">Houston (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=248)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Butter

11-19-2009, 06:38 AM

When was the last time Cal and Stanford played when both were ranked?

Dr. Sak

11-19-2009, 08:02 AM

Which will be higher...the points Michigan scores on Ohio State or the winning margin by the Buckeyes? My guess is the latter of the two.

Kodos

11-19-2009, 08:46 AM

I'll be rooting like heck for Minnesota!

RendeR

11-19-2009, 01:38 PM

Which will be higher...the points Michigan scores on Ohio State or the winning margin by the Buckeyes? My guess is the latter of the two.

I approve of this post.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-19-2009, 01:47 PM

Yea/nay on whether Mark Mangino lasts the rest of the year as KU's head coach?

Lathum

11-19-2009, 01:54 PM

Looking forward the Rutgers crushing 'Cuse. Word on the street is 'Cuse doesn't even have enough healthy players to practice. Line jumped from 8-10 yesterday and RU seems to be peaking after dismantling USF last week. After watching 28 years of horrid football the last 6 years have been a blast.

mckerney

11-19-2009, 01:56 PM

WHO HATES IOWA?

molson

11-19-2009, 02:24 PM

Swaggs

11-19-2009, 04:15 PM

Yea/nay on whether Mark Mangino lasts the rest of the year as KU's head coach?

I think he gets the door immediately after their final regular season game.

What happened to SI? Seems like he hasn't been around for a long time.

JPhillips

11-19-2009, 04:23 PM

I wish I enjoyed Michigan being down more. I used to schedule anything around OSU/Mich, but this year it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal. It's much more satisfying to beat a quality opponent.

Karlifornia

11-19-2009, 04:30 PM

When was the last time Cal and Stanford played when both were ranked?

I had to look this up, admittedly:

1991, when #21 Stanford beat #6 Cal 38-21 at Stanford Stadium, behind running backs Glyn Milburn and "Touchdown" Tommy Vardell.

the_meanstrosity

11-19-2009, 04:48 PM

I think the media frenzy on this is a complete joke. I honestly don't think Mangino is that different from any number of football coaches coaching today. Some of the things he's reported to have said are indeed tactless on a personal level, but I don't know that it's an offense that warrants removal or this amount of bashing from the media. Now the way his team has tanked the last two seasons that warrants removal. But this "poke" and personal insults stuff is ridiculous. Mangino can definitely be a jerk. But so can a number of college coaches. The problem though is that he's a jerk with a talented team that's losing.

Yea/nay on whether Mark Mangino lasts the rest of the year as KU's head coach?

Chief Rum

11-19-2009, 05:09 PM

I had to look this up, admittedly:

1991, when #21 Stanford beat #6 Cal 38-21 at Stanford Stadium, behind running backs Glyn Milburn and "Touchdown" Tommy Vardell.

Was that the great Russell White Cal team they beat?

Karlifornia

11-19-2009, 05:17 PM

Was that the great Russell White Cal team they beat?

Not to mention Mike Pawlawski and kicker Doug Brien.

dawgfan

11-19-2009, 05:32 PM

I gotta say, I'm pulling for Stanford. I really admire how Harbaugh has transformed that program and forged a tough-guy identity for Stanford football. I'm kind of torn right now between pulling for Oregon State to go to the Rose Bowl or hoping Stanford can slide in somehow - I really respect Coach Riley and what he's done to turn Oregon State from perennially awful for 2+ decades into one of the Pac-10's best pograms.

I like Tedford and respect what he's done for Cal, but Stanford is the better story right now.

digamma

11-19-2009, 06:35 PM

UGA VII has passed away.

My condolences to the entire Lee family.

Noop

11-19-2009, 08:14 PM

Nice to see the continued pussification of America. Mangino is a jerk/douche/asshole but from what I can tell he pales in comparison to some of the coaches I had growing up.

Kodos

11-19-2009, 08:25 PM

WHO HATES IOWA?

FOFC DOES!

miami_fan

11-19-2009, 08:52 PM

Nice to see the continued pussification of America. Mangino is a jerk/douche/asshole but from what I can tell he pales in comparison to some of the coaches I had growing up.

You are right. Magino should have been laid up in a hospital for weeks after making light of that player's younger brother being shot.

dawgfan

11-19-2009, 09:14 PM

Nice to see the continued pussification of America. Mangino is a jerk/douche/asshole but from what I can tell he pales in comparison to some of the coaches I had growing up.
Sometimes change is a good thing Noop. Just because that's how things were when you were going through football doesn't mean that's how it should be.

BishopMVP

11-19-2009, 09:27 PM

Sometimes change is a good thing Noop. Just because that's how things were when you were going through football doesn't mean that's how it should be.I don't agree with telling a player he'll be sent back to the hood to get shot with his homies, but the physical contact stuff is absurd. Poking a player in the chest and grabbing his arm is cause for alarm?

dawgfan

11-19-2009, 09:30 PM

I don't agree with telling a player he'll be sent back to the hood to get shot with his homies, but the physical contact stuff is absurd. Poking a player in the chest and grabbing his arm is cause for alarm?
Well, there's a fine line between abuse and getting a kid's attention. I have no idea where Mangino sits on that continuum. All I'm saying is there's no reason for physical or mental abuse, but of course the boundary lines on each when it comes to football coaching are blurry.

BishopMVP

11-19-2009, 09:30 PM

Zac Robinson was a game-time injury decision for OK St, and so far his backup went 0-9 with a pick before the 3rd stringer came in, they've thrown for 47 yards, and are losing 24-21 in the 4th to Colorado. EDIT- actually 21-17 Colorado.

BishopMVP

11-19-2009, 09:38 PM

And the 3rd stringer completes a 50-yd pass to the RB for a TD. 24-21 Cowboys.

RainMaker

11-19-2009, 09:46 PM

Texas and the NCAA better hope OK State pulls this out.

Big Fo

11-19-2009, 09:57 PM

I'm not that up to speed on the Big 12 situation, why would Texas need OK St. to win? If they win out I thought they were in the BCS title game no matter what.

RainMaker

11-19-2009, 10:03 PM

Their SOS would take a hit. Might make some voters think twice if Cincy beats 4-5 ranked teams this season and Texas doesn't beat any.

Blade6119

11-19-2009, 10:09 PM

Nah, Texas will go to the title no matter what if they win out. There is nothing for Texas to worry about, not a thing...people feel they got screwed last year, so like Florida they will get the benefit of the doubt if they are undefeated.

Chief Rum

11-20-2009, 12:16 AM

I don't think they can pull it off this year, because the USC-UCLA game is at the Mausoleum, but there is talk on the UCLA boards of getting a back and forth "What's Your Deal?" "What's Your Deal?" chant going in that game. :D

Noop

11-20-2009, 12:23 AM

Sometimes change is a good thing Noop. Just because that's how things were when you were going through football doesn't mean that's how it should be.

The stuff about telling the kid to go get shot is pretty shitty and I think he shouldn't have said that. However the other stuff is pure sissy shit... This is lunacy that a coach slapping helmets, grabbing facemask or god forbid poking a player in the chest is grounds for an investigation. The only time my coach was ever nice to me is when I literally destroyed my ankle.

the_meanstrosity

11-20-2009, 01:05 AM

Sadly, it goes deeper than just the insults. A few former players are suggesting that Mangino made them play despite the doctor's not clearing them. Other players are saying that Mangino essentially sat on his hands while NFL scouts showed interest in his players. Former players' parents are complaining. It's pretty much open season for anyone who has had an issue with Mangino in the past.

Mangino has always had a temper and can definitely be a jerk with the best of them. People are willing to overlook that if you can win games, but Mangino has had his share of struggles these last two years and thus this garbage is coming out. He's likely gone from KU since there's pretty much no way he can recruit successfully right now. The guy is a good coach and I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up on a coaching staff (OU, Texas Tech?) in the very near future.

The stuff about telling the kid to go get shot is pretty shitty and I think he shouldn't have said that. However the other stuff is pure sissy shit... This is lunacy that a coach slapping helmets, grabbing facemask or god forbid poking a player in the chest is grounds for an investigation. The only time my coach was ever nice to me is when I literally destroyed my ankle.

JonInMiddleGA

11-20-2009, 01:58 AM

My sincere condolences to the UGA fans this week, as mascot UGA VII aka "Loran's Best" died unexpectedly this morning in Savannah from an apparent heart attack.

Very few things transcend the rivalry but as far as I'm concerned that 4 year old bulldog never did anything to anybody & that's too young for what seemed like a good dog to go.

Bulldog Nation mourns sudden death of Uga VII || OnlineAthens.com (http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/112009/uga_526826555.shtml)

Honolulu_Blue

11-20-2009, 08:48 AM

Which will be higher...the points Michigan scores on Ohio State or the winning margin by the Buckeyes? My guess is the latter of the two.

I am taking the third option: Yo mama's ass.

Dr. Sak

11-20-2009, 08:49 AM

I am taking the third option: Yo mama's ass.

Is Sid still withholding sex from you?

I. J. Reilly

11-20-2009, 09:25 AM

I may have to do the unthinkable and route for Oregon this weekend.
As convoluted as the Pac-Ten race is, it’s pretty simple for Oregon State; they have to win out and Arizona has to lose once. I guess having a shot at going to your first Rose Bowl since 1965 will make you do some pretty horrendous things, like route for Oregon.

Celeval

11-20-2009, 10:56 AM

DeToxRox

11-20-2009, 02:18 PM

Honestly, if Mark Mangino wasn't damn near 500 lbs and now all of a sudden losing, this all is a non story. What he said is inexcusable, yet a lot of this stuff happened a few years ago, but when they go and win the Orange Bowl, it's all easier to take.

I think the main thing is his weight. He guy is absurdly obese and as he gets older, he gets fatter. I am sure it's been a concern for the admin at KU for a while but what can you do when the guys winning? That said, the guy is obviously a walking heart attack time bomb waiting to go off, and does KU really want that to happen on their sideline?

I think this is the perfect out for KU since the team is not performing well to get rid of Mangino once and for all.

And again I am not saying him being a total ass isn't a part of it; it obviously is, but this is a guy who was steadfast in not getting a gatorade shower if they won the Orange Bowl because of the repercussions it could have on his health.

the_meanstrosity

11-20-2009, 04:09 PM

Possibly. Though there are a lot of tough coaches who aren't complete bastards. You can be one when you're winning, but when you start losing then it becomes a big issue (see Bobby Knight).

Honestly, if Mark Mangino wasn't damn near 500 lbs and now all of a sudden losing, this all is a non story. What he said is inexcusable, yet a lot of this stuff happened a few years ago, but when they go and win the Orange Bowl, it's all easier to take.

I think the main thing is his weight. He guy is absurdly obese and as he gets older, he gets fatter. I am sure it's been a concern for the admin at KU for a while but what can you do when the guys winning? That said, the guy is obviously a walking heart attack time bomb waiting to go off, and does KU really want that to happen on their sideline?

I think this is the perfect out for KU since the team is not performing well to get rid of Mangino once and for all.

And again I am not saying him being a total ass isn't a part of it; it obviously is, but this is a guy who was steadfast in not getting a gatorade shower if they won the Orange Bowl because of the repercussions it could have on his health.

BishopMVP

11-20-2009, 09:54 PM

Boise St. tied 14-14 and being outgained by 3-7 Utah State halfway through the 2nd.

cartman

11-20-2009, 09:58 PM

Boise St. tied 14-14 and being outgained by 3-7 Utah State halfway through the 2nd.

Texas, and the NCAA, had better hope that Boise State can pull this one out.

JonInMiddleGA

11-20-2009, 10:03 PM

Nice jinx Cartman, suddenly 28-14 BSU.

cartman

11-20-2009, 10:10 PM

Texas and the NCAA better hope OK State pulls this out.

Texas, and the NCAA, had better hope that Boise State can pull this one out.

Nice jinx Cartman, suddenly 28-14 BSU.

Not originally mine.

JonInMiddleGA

11-20-2009, 10:11 PM

Not originally mine.

Oopsie, my bad. It's Bishop's fault.

BishopMVP

11-20-2009, 10:59 PM

Oopsie, my bad. It's Bishop's fault.Yah, I killed that one pretty bad. Yards before my post: 218-147 Utah St. Yards since: 219-16 Boise. 42-14 Boise St. now early 3rd.

Boise did look pretty bad against the mobile quarterback to start though. That'll give ammo to those hyping Nevada and it's 3-pronged rushing attack as a possible upset special. (I personally can't see it happening or take Nevada seriously ever since they were shutout by Notre Dame the one game I saw them. I realize they've probably clicked some since, but still, our run defense has been a sieve every other game.)

tarcone

11-21-2009, 09:35 AM

Floyd of Rosedale on the line today. Im excited to see how the future plays today.

GO HAWKS!

Lathum

11-21-2009, 09:57 AM

KKK planning a rally before the Ole Miss game. Not as ominous as it sounds, but still pretty crazy.

Ku Klux Klan plans rally at Ole Miss to stand for Rebel fight song» The Commercial Appeal (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/nov/20/klan-set-to-stand-for-rebel-fight-song/)

MacroGuru

11-21-2009, 10:08 AM

From the MWC.

Last time TCU was undefeated at this stage in the season they ended up losing to...Wyoming at Laramie..and Patterson has reminded them of this all week, I don't think it will happen...TCU will spank the Cowboys today.

As for AFA @ BYU, I am worried, BYU has stunk it up at home this season and AFA is always a tough team for us to play especially with the Mobile QB. I do know we wear them down most of the time from our size...again, I won't be shocked if we lose this one.

cmp

11-21-2009, 10:41 AM

Fuck Ohio State. That is all.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 10:47 AM

Fuck Ohio State. That is all.

Poetic. I approve.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 10:48 AM

I will say this though, as a realist, Michigan will lose 38 - 21. The only way Michigan wins is if they keep their heads and make Pryor stay in the pocket. Once he gets out of it, with the way we tackle, we're done.

If Michigan loses their head though, this might be 56-10.

tarcone

11-21-2009, 10:56 AM

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DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 11:10 AM

That ABC video package for the UM/OSU game was amazing. Sure the buzz isn't there for this game but wow that got me fired up.

tarcone

11-21-2009, 11:13 AM

Orange Bowl sniffing around Iowa. 48,000 fans went to the game in 2002. 40,000 got in to the game. The rest couldnt.

I was at that game and it was Kinnick stadium south. It was amazing.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 11:18 AM

That's about what I expected after that punt. It'll be nice when Tate learns to hold on to the ball once in a while.

Big Fo

11-21-2009, 11:19 AM

That was awful from Forcier.

RendeR

11-21-2009, 11:25 AM

Fuck Ohio State. That is all.

Poetic. I approve.

Its better to be bitter than realistic I suppose ;)

If The Offense for Mi-Shit-gan doesn't get their act together this could be over by halftime. Granted it SHOULD be over by halftime, if not sooner, but I feel like being nice this year ;)

clemsonfan

11-21-2009, 11:26 AM

Go North Carolina! Woo hoo! 21-0 with 5 minutes left in the first quarter!

RendeR

11-21-2009, 11:27 AM

Good god that was a terrible throw. I am not a Pryor fan.

RendeR

11-21-2009, 11:31 AM

Looks like they heard me =)

RendeR

11-21-2009, 11:35 AM

Why do Michigan's kicker's always suck?

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 11:36 AM

Michigan has already gift wrapped this game to OSU as if they needed the help.

JPhillips

11-21-2009, 11:38 AM

The OSU throwbacks look great. Love the helmets.

RendeR

11-21-2009, 11:43 AM

Really? I was just thinking how nauseating I found them...I hate numbers on the sides of a helmet.

cmp

11-21-2009, 11:58 AM

Michigan needs to finish these drives, the defense has been better than expected thus far.

Swaggs

11-21-2009, 11:58 AM

I can't believe how many OSU fans appear to be in the Big House.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 12:04 PM

I can't believe how many OSU fans appear to be in the Big House.

There's always a strong contingent, but this year a lot of people sold their tickets off, and OSU fans gobbled them up.

It sucks but it is what it is.

Matthean

11-21-2009, 12:06 PM

There's always a strong contingent, but this year a lot of people sold their tickets off, and OSU fans gobbled them up.

It sucks but it is what it is.

It's really hard to find ways to think of how Michigan would pull out a victory today. I'm not surprised some Michigan fans bailed on this game.

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DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 12:11 PM

cmp

11-21-2009, 12:14 PM

Matthean

11-21-2009, 12:14 PM

I think the dam is going to burst. The Michigan D is going to be getting gassed and emotion only gets you so far.

UM has only 68 of a possible 85 scholarship players, and there's more of them on O then D.

Does Michigan have that many players hurt, or is there something I'm missing? How does Michigan have 17 scholarships just laying around?

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DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 12:15 PM

It's almost do or die time for the offense. We get the ball to start the second half, but we need to get points now and build back some momentum.

cmp

11-21-2009, 12:15 PM

Helmet to helmet anyone?

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 12:17 PM

Does Michigan have that many players hurt, or is there something I'm missing? How does Michigan have 17 scholarships just laying around?

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All the attrition from the past two years finally caught up. Classes that could have been bigger weren't, such as 09, rather then take a few more kids and over sign they pocketed the schollies, but then some kids left and all that.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 12:20 PM

Dola on D Michigan has, by my count, 26 scholarship players. Of those 26, I believe 4 are red shirting, and 3 more are true freshman.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 12:24 PM

One other note on the D: Michigan has not played Nickle once all season because we don't have enough secondary players who can actually play to do it.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 12:26 PM

Noop

11-21-2009, 12:31 PM

14-13 Florida State

After Florida State's freshman QB gifts Maryland a touchdown.

larrymcg421

11-21-2009, 12:41 PM

I'm about done with Randy Shannon. I like what he's done in turning around the reputation of the program, but I'm convinced that he's just not a very good head coach. He was severely outcoached in the NC and Clemson games. He's getting outcoached today. Even some of the wins have come due to the Canes talent overriding his shitty coaching (see the awful pooch kick decision against FSU) or by luck (Wake Forest muffing a punt deep in their own territory).

Swaggs

11-21-2009, 12:42 PM

Duke is beating Miami at halftime.

Swaggs

11-21-2009, 12:43 PM

heh... Larry beat me by a minute. :)

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 12:57 PM

Michigan needed anything but a 3 and out on that drive to have a chance. It's going to take the D nutting up for the first time in the third quarter in a long time.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 12:57 PM

Okay, well that INT helps but means nothing if we don't get points.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 01:02 PM

There ya go. Vincent Smith is a kid I absolutely love. He is going to be the #1 RB next year, size be damned, he's just relentless.

Love the Muck.

cmp

11-21-2009, 01:05 PM

Please defense step up again here.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 01:10 PM

Let's hope this doesn't turn into Wisconsin redeux, where they just ran and ran and ran and we just got gashed. It's looking like it so far this drive.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 01:12 PM

Let's hope this doesn't turn into Wisconsin redeux, where they just ran and ran and ran and we just got gashed. It's looking like it so far this drive.

Welp, it sure is looking more and more like this is going to be entirely possible.

cmp

11-21-2009, 01:12 PM

Where the hell is the holding call?

cmp

11-21-2009, 01:12 PM

Well at least we have Brandon Graham.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 01:15 PM

That is the dagger. This team hasn't showed much resiliency all year and just when it looked like the big stop was coming that happened. Great play call for OSU and great execution no doubt, but it seemed obvious based on the other 11 games so far.

rowech

11-21-2009, 01:22 PM

For as bad of a football man Millen proved to be, he is really a fantastic announcer.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 01:44 PM

Hate the fact Denard had consecutive plays there. I know he has game breaking speed but he is just going to run it without making an attempt to throw the ball and everyone knows it. Sprinkling him in every few series is fine for a play but don't give him multiple in a row unless you have faith him to throw it.

Atocep

11-21-2009, 01:50 PM

Did forcier really just throw that ball?

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 01:51 PM

Just awful by Tate, but that's a true freshman for you. I would have to check but he is coming up close on having more turnovers then our QB's did last year. I know he and Robinson combined have for sure exceeded it.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 01:51 PM

Did forcier really just throw that ball?

It's a common part of the lexicon now.

cmp

11-21-2009, 01:52 PM

What the hell? Very generous spot.

cmp

11-21-2009, 01:53 PM

Did forcier really just throw that ball?

Michigan fans have come to expect that from Tate.

cmp

11-21-2009, 01:53 PM

Damn, I am sure going to miss Brandom Graham.

larrymcg421

11-21-2009, 01:58 PM

Oooooof...

cmp

11-21-2009, 01:58 PM

Can we put Devin Gardner in?

Lathum

11-21-2009, 01:58 PM

lol

Atocep

11-21-2009, 01:59 PM

Did forcier really just throw that ball?

I'm just going to quote myself here instead of saying it again.

Lathum

11-21-2009, 01:59 PM

please score OSU

Noop

11-21-2009, 01:59 PM

I want to mention that I have an incredible amount of dislike for Bobby Bowden right now.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 02:01 PM

Michigan played well enough to win this one. This one goes squarely on the QB who has made a bunch of awful throws. It's growing pains I know but by week 12 you're not a freshman anymore, you know better then this.

M GO BLUE!!!

11-21-2009, 02:02 PM

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!

Earlier this week I checked on the game and saw a 3:30p start time. Just turned on the TV to set the recording before heading to work. I am pissed.

Noop

11-21-2009, 02:04 PM

I love Lonnie Pryor.(No Homo)

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 02:13 PM

Noop

11-21-2009, 02:13 PM

We won. Thank God.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 02:14 PM

Dola if Brandon Graham is not an All American I don't know what to say. He's the best defensive player I have seen in Maize & Blue since Woodson. Absolute stud, what a terrible way to go out.

Atocep

11-21-2009, 02:20 PM

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 02:33 PM

Forcier must have lost the "it" factor people were talking about earlier this season. He's a QB that struggles with throws in the pocket (so much so that he seems to want to move outside the pocket for every throw) and his height is a problem on some throws. Even for a true freshman he makes a lot of mistakes.

Denard Robinson should never be allowed to throw a forward pass. Ever.

I have a feeling Michigan will be breaking in an other true freshman QB next year. Devin Gardner will get significant playing time.

Graham is one of the top 2-3 defensive players I saw this season.

Yep, and the problem with another true frosh QB is obvious. That said Gardner is a run QB who can throw. His motion is weird but he is a 60% completion guy in HS. He's 6'5", 220 lbs. He's built for this offense. Where as Tate isn't a threat for long runs like Denard and Denard isn't a threat to make the high percentage throws like Tate, Gardner does have the ability to do both.

What's more beneficial is he has spent a lot of time in Ann Arbor getting to know the finer points of the offense he is running in HS. Tate and Denard didn't do the zone read stuff, that's what Gardner knows. That facet is what makes this offense thrive and we have been without it two years now.

tarcone

11-21-2009, 03:03 PM

Iowa wins 12-0. We keep Floyd another season. 10-2 this season. Ferentz has more 10 win seasons then Hayden Fry now. Amazing.

10-2 and a BCS at large bid looming. Orange Bowl here we come.

Karlifornia

11-21-2009, 03:06 PM

RainMaker

11-21-2009, 03:07 PM

Forcier must have lost the "it" factor people were talking about earlier this season. He's a QB that struggles with throws in the pocket (so much so that he seems to want to move outside the pocket for every throw) and his height is a problem on some throws. Even for a true freshman he makes a lot of mistakes.

Denard Robinson should never be allowed to throw a forward pass. Ever.

I have a feeling Michigan will be breaking in an other true freshman QB next year. Devin Gardner will get significant playing time.

Graham is one of the top 2-3 defensive players I saw this season.
He's a true freshman and he's playing like a true freshman. It's why we don't see a lot start in college football. I don't think it's a death sentence on his college career.

I think they asked him to do way too much this year and that could cause issues in the future. But this year also could turn out to be great experience for him and he could parlay the experience into a good career with a couple offseasons to gets his feet under him.

Karlifornia

11-21-2009, 03:21 PM

Iowa wins 12-0. We keep Floyd another season. 10-2 this season. Ferentz has more 10 win seasons then Hayden Fry now. Amazing.

10-2 and a BCS at large bid looming. Orange Bowl here we come.

Oh, goodie! Iowa in a BCS game! I'm looking forward to all the field goals!

larrymcg421

11-21-2009, 03:24 PM

You fans of big programs are ridiculous.

How so? Randy Shannon has been outcoached this year several times. I pointed out specific examples. He makes poor strategic decisions. The team falls apart at key moments. We needed a 4th quarter comeback to beat Duke at home. We needed a muffed punt to beat Wake Forest. The only good win was against Ga Tech. Our other "good" wins came against shorthanded Oklahoma and an FSU team that didn't turn out to be that good.

The team is young and I expect them to be better, but I'm not convinced Shannon can get the best out of them. Maybe he'll get better, but I'm not convinced based on what I've seen. I simply want a coach that can get the most out of whatever talent we have. If that's ridiculous, then so be it.

digamma

11-21-2009, 03:50 PM

Yale fakes a punt on 4th and 22 from their own 25 with three minutes left and a 10-7 lead. After the obvious FAIL, Harvard punches it in to win 14-10.

8 out of the last 9 in The Game. Go Crimson!

Cuckoo

11-21-2009, 03:51 PM

Oh what a year for my Sooners... Never saw this coming. :(

larrymcg421

11-21-2009, 03:58 PM

Yale fakes a punt on 4th and 22 from their own 25 with three minutes left and a 10-7 lead. After the obvious FAIL, Harvard punches it in to win 14-10.

8 out of the last 9 in The Game. Go Crimson!

Wow, seems like an awfully stupid decision for an Ivy League coach.

Atocep

11-21-2009, 04:23 PM

He's a true freshman and he's playing like a true freshman. It's why we don't see a lot start in college football. I don't think it's a death sentence on his college career.

I think they asked him to do way too much this year and that could cause issues in the future. But this year also could turn out to be great experience for him and he could parlay the experience into a good career with a couple offseasons to gets his feet under him.

He's not a good fit for the read option. Devin Gardner will be the starting QB by the end of next season.

RedKingGold

11-21-2009, 04:48 PM

Iowa wins 12-0. We keep Floyd another season. 10-2 this season. Ferentz has more 10 win seasons then Hayden Fry now. Amazing.

10-2 and a BCS at large bid looming. Orange Bowl here we come.

Wouldn't be too sure on this. If PSU wins today (they're now up 21-7), then they'll also be an attractive BCS option.

Especially if Pitt beats Cincy and wins the Big East.

Eaglesfan27

11-21-2009, 04:49 PM

Well if there was any doubt that Charlie would be gone, it could be erased as UConn is in position to win this game with 49 seconds left.

miami_fan

11-21-2009, 04:51 PM

3 seconds left. UCONN setting up for a game winning FG.

Eaglesfan27

11-21-2009, 04:51 PM

Wide left on the FG attempt. Going to OT.

miami_fan

11-21-2009, 04:51 PM

He missed it

Balldog

11-21-2009, 04:53 PM

Who would have thought Michigan would actually hand a winnable game to OSU going into this game? They left probably 17 points on the field between a missed FG and some awful passes by Tate. Just terrible, especially when the D played it's heart out.

I think you are ignoring the fact that Ohio State was content with just running the clock in the 2nd half.

JPhillips

11-21-2009, 04:53 PM

He's not a good fit for the read option. Devin Gardner will be the starting QB by the end of next season.

They mentioned on the broadcast that Forcier may transfer. Any truth to that?

JPhillips

11-21-2009, 04:54 PM

I think you are ignoring the fact that Ohio State was content with just running the clock since the Purdue game.

fixed.

RedKingGold

11-21-2009, 05:06 PM

Floodgates have opened. PSU now up 35-7 (pending extra point) on Michigan State.

Eaglesfan27

11-21-2009, 05:13 PM

UConn beats ND 33-30 in the 2nd OT.

RedKingGold

11-21-2009, 05:14 PM

Randy Edsall can coach my football team any day.

miami_fan

11-21-2009, 05:16 PM

I am really happy for the UCONN kids.

miked

11-21-2009, 05:17 PM

Rutgers fucking sucks. We get in to the top 25, and lay an egg against probably the worst team in the Big East and maybe one of the worst in the country. Un-fucking-real.

M GO BLUE!!!

11-21-2009, 05:18 PM

Michigan fans have come to expect that from Tate.

You mean Tate Force-a-throw?

By the way...

:popcorn:

Rich Rodriguez says Michigan Wolverines comply with rules - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4434031&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines)

I say 4 or 5 wins is a strong possibility this year!

Wish I could find where I said we'd be blaming the latest lost season on freshman QB's and looking to the next freshman QB as the savior.

I hope Garnder is redshirted & Forcier gets another year to see if he can get it together, then bring him in when he knows the offense rather than go through all this all over again. Move 16 to WR, where he can work out of the slot & use that amazing athleticism.

I don't think I need to go on about what I feel should be done with the coach.

Eaglesfan27

11-21-2009, 05:18 PM

I am really happy for the UCONN kids.

Same here. Their coach seems very cool, too.

yacovfb

11-21-2009, 05:24 PM

Randy Edsall can coach my football team any day.

Guy is certainly a class act and with all they've been through, it's great that they could get this one. As for his coaching...let's just say I'm not a fan of his decision to waste 30 seconds with 3 timeouts to set up the winning 37 yard FG, especially after gaining huge chunks of yards on the ground. Glad they were able to overcome that, though.

In related news...this has got to swing the Gator Bowl back to the Big East, right? I mean, odds are Stanford beats em and puts them at 6-6 but there's no way they should get at 7-5 with a lame duck coach over an 11-1 Cincy team.

tarcone

11-21-2009, 05:24 PM

Wouldn't be too sure on this. If PSU wins today (they're now up 21-7), then they'll also be an attractive BCS option.

Especially if Pitt beats Cincy and wins the Big East.

3 things:

1) Iowa is 2nd in the Big 10
2) Iowa beat Penn State (Not sure if this really matters)
3) Last time Iowa was in the Orange Bowl, 48,000 fans went to Miami. Orange Bowl wont pass up that. This is the main reason I think Iowa is in the Orange Bowl.

RedKingGold

11-21-2009, 05:27 PM

3 things:

1) Iowa is 2nd in the Big 10

Doesn't matter for BCS selection (so long as both finish in Top 14)

2) Iowa beat Penn State (Not sure if this really matters)

See above.

3) Last time Iowa was in the Orange Bowl, 48,000 fans went to Miami. Orange Bowl wont pass up that. This is the main reason I think Iowa is in the Orange Bowl.

Penn State travels better than Iowa because it's a bigger school.

DeToxRox

11-21-2009, 05:37 PM

Wow, I know we have a big Rutgers contingent here. WTF happened today?

Eaglesfan27

11-21-2009, 06:03 PM

LSU just missed a 2 point conversion. As a result, they are down 25-23 to Ole Miss with 1:17 left.

Eaglesfan27

11-21-2009, 06:05 PM

LSU gets the onside kick as an Ole Miss player moved his hand away from it thinking it hadn't gone far enough.

Blade6119

11-21-2009, 06:06 PM

3 things:

1) Iowa is 2nd in the Big 10
2) Iowa beat Penn State (Not sure if this really matters)
3) Last time Iowa was in the Orange Bowl, 48,000 fans went to Miami. Orange Bowl wont pass up that. This is the main reason I think Iowa is in the Orange Bowl.

I dont know about that, without their QB, their not as attractive. I seriously think a BCS bowl would rather taken Penn State then Iowa, and i dont even think its that close.

Swaggs

11-21-2009, 06:09 PM

Guy is certainly a class act and with all they've been through, it's great that they could get this one. As for his coaching...let's just say I'm not a fan of his decision to waste 30 seconds with 3 timeouts to set up the winning 37 yard FG, especially after gaining huge chunks of yards on the ground. Glad they were able to overcome that, though.

In related news...this has got to swing the Gator Bowl back to the Big East, right? I mean, odds are Stanford beats em and puts them at 6-6 but there's no way they should get at 7-5 with a lame duck coach over an 11-1 Cincy team.

Agreed on that playcalling at the end of the game. They were running, at will, over Notre Dame. I think they should have at least run another play to get into better FG position. On top of that, it was pretty odd to see them run the clock down that low while kicking on 2nd down -- usually, you see coaches keep a little time on the clock in case of a bad snap. I'm glad they won -- I think Edsall would have had some explaining to do if they had not.

Also, I hate to root against specific people, but Charlie Weis really rubs me the wrong way. I've only watched a handful of Notre Dame games this year, but it seems like Weis always treats the NBC sideline reporters like crap. When you have a ridiculous, multi-million dollar deal with a network, you would think that the coach could be a little courteous towards their reporters.

I think it would be hard justifying a 7-5 Notre Dame over an 11-1 Cincy, but it wouldn't completely surprise me. I'm guessing the Gator would take a 7-5 Notre Dame over a 9-3 WVU or Pitt in a second. Sad but true.

Eaglesfan27

11-21-2009, 06:13 PM

LSU completed a 4th and 26 with 9 seconds left, but they failed to rush the FG team on with 1 second left and attempted to ground it. Time runs out and Ole Miss wins. Terrible clock management by Miles down the stretch.

Swaggs

11-21-2009, 06:13 PM

Wow... LSU.

bronconick

11-21-2009, 06:13 PM

That was some awful late game clock management.

AlexB

11-21-2009, 06:13 PM

Ok.... confused. Other than the terrible clock management in the LSU/Ole Miss game, why did the clock stop on that last catch?

M GO BLUE!!!

11-21-2009, 06:14 PM

Did LSU just really spike the ball with :00 on the clock? Really?

Lathum

11-21-2009, 06:14 PM

Wow, I know we have a big Rutgers contingent here. WTF happened today?

One of my best friends is on the RU staff. He texted me a few minutes in and said Syracuse was running the triple option and they hadn't run it all season and RU was totally caught off guard.

Swaggs

11-21-2009, 06:14 PM

I don't think I've ever seen that bad of a mistake before. I'm not sure who is at fault between the coaches or the quarterback, but who on earth thinks that you can spike the ball with one-second left.

Eaglesfan27

11-21-2009, 06:14 PM

Ok.... confused. Other than the terrible clock management in the LSU/Ole Miss game, why did the clock stop on that last catch?

The clock stops temporarily while the sticks are moved, but restarts as soon as they are in place.

M GO BLUE!!!

11-21-2009, 06:14 PM

Ok.... confused. Other than the terrible clock management in the LSU/Ole Miss game, why did the clock stop on that last catch?

1st down. Clock stops in college.

yacovfb

11-21-2009, 06:15 PM

Ok.... confused. Other than the terrible clock management in the LSU/Ole Miss game, why did the clock stop on that last catch?

First down. For as much as LSU's management of that 1 sec was bad, I don't know if they had enough time to get the FG team out there. Plus, the snap for the spike came after time expired so it's possible that woulda happened on a FG attempt and they lose anyway

Karlifornia

11-21-2009, 06:18 PM

lol@ Verne Lundquist's overreaction. Not much LSU could have done there. Even if they get the FG team out there, not much chance they get the play off in time.

AlexB

11-21-2009, 06:19 PM

Don't watch much college at all, happened across the last couple of minutes - never knew the 1st down/clock rule. Great finish, but the play calls on 3rd down and the last play (if it was called) were tbh sack-worthy

tucker rocky

11-21-2009, 06:21 PM

lol@ Verne Lundquist's overreaction. Not much LSU could have done there. Even if they get the FG team out there, not much chance they get the play off in time.

What are they doing!!! :D

Swaggs

11-21-2009, 06:22 PM

It will actually be pretty fun to see who winds up with the last 1 or 2 BCS bids.

The Fiesta could take Oklahoma State (if they can get through Oklahoma next week) to help pad the Big 12's pockets. Virginia Tech, without having to play in the ACC championship game, is in good shape to finish in the top 14 and they have a good fanbase and would probably travel well to a bowl other than the Orange (where they have been a lot since the ACC). Wisconsin, Penn State, and Iowa will all be eligible and all three can probably be counted on to buy up their allotment of tickets for either the Orange or Sugar. Boise State is probably going to be undefeated, whereas any at-large team outside of Florida/Alabama is probably going to have 2+ losses, so it may be hard to justify keeping them out.

Probably gonna be a lot of scrambling and wheeling and delling going on.

Karlifornia

11-21-2009, 06:24 PM

Come on, Stanford. Keep doing what you've been doing, and you should beat the fuck out of Cal. Don't turn the ball over.

Swaggs

11-21-2009, 06:25 PM

I think LSU was pretty damn fortunate that the ref stood over the ball for as long as he did -- he did them a favor by allowing them to even get a play off with 1-second left.

MacroGuru

11-21-2009, 06:32 PM

BYU with a great win over AFA..

Harvey Unga now is the BYU career rushing leader in yards.

Dennis Pitta will be in receptions after the Utah game

Max Hall is the all time wins holder at BYU now for QBs

TargetPractice6

11-21-2009, 06:33 PM

Even if there wasn't time to get the FG unit on you have to at least take a shot at the endzone. Spiking the ball to end the game is beyond stupid.

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2009, 06:33 PM

I don't think I've ever seen that bad of a mistake before.

Circa 2004, see Ball, Reggie

clemsonfan

11-21-2009, 06:35 PM

Woo hoo Clemson! Next week SC, the week after that GA Tech, and sometime after that a bowl game. We have a very rough month or so ahead.

Lathum

11-21-2009, 06:36 PM

Gerhart is good.

Karlifornia

11-21-2009, 06:41 PM

Gerhart is good.

"I CAN HAZ HEIZMANS?"

-Toby Gerhart

bob

11-21-2009, 06:42 PM

Circa 2004, see Ball, Reggie

Just when I started to forget, you had to bring that up.

Swaggs

11-21-2009, 06:43 PM

I think Stanford is my 2nd favorite team. I hope they win out.

thealmighty

11-21-2009, 06:57 PM

One of my best friends is on the RU staff. He texted me a few minutes in and said Syracuse was running the triple option and they hadn't run it all season and RU was totally caught off guard.

Maybe their staff shouldn't be texting people a few minutes in. Maybe they should be running around looking for the Triple Option Defender for Dummies book. ;)

terpkristin

11-21-2009, 07:05 PM

I went down to Richmond and watched the Richmond Spiders beat William & Mary in what came down to a crazy last 2 minutes. Going to a 1AA game is a very different experience (better in some ways, worse in others) than going to a Maryland game.

Got back and was slightly sad to see that Maryland apparently put up a fight against FSU but in the end lost. Alas. Not a good season for Maryland football, even by my pathetic standards.

/tk

BishopMVP

11-21-2009, 07:07 PM

Agreed on that playcalling at the end of the game. They were running, at will, over Notre Dame. I think they should have at least run another play to get into better FG position. On top of that, it was pretty odd to see them run the clock down that low while kicking on 2nd down -- usually, you see coaches keep a little time on the clock in case of a bad snap. I'm glad they won -- I think Edsall would have had some explaining to do if they had not.He also had a very curious playcall 2 drives before when UConn had driven to our 15 down 20-17. 1st down he went for some weird tackle eligible play where one tackle was lined up at WR and faked like he was going to catch a bubble screen, then another went straight upfield from the left tackle spot. He was covered and it was an easy pick in the end zone for ND's MLB. If they even ran normal play-action and faked the handoff to a RB, ND's linebackers probably would have bought it and you'd have that tackle wide-open up the seam, but the bubble screen to a big guy was so weird they didn't react to it and were sitting in perfect position. Still, a respectable coach and a pretty good man from what I've heard.

How thoughtful of NBC and ESPN to keep talking about this as the biggest win in UConn's history :( ... I mean, it's not like UConn has won at least 8 games and made bowls 4 times this decade, plus beaten BCS-bound Cincinnati 40-16 at home last season.

Butter

11-21-2009, 07:14 PM

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Well, it's about time to bust out some old Michigan stuff.... Big Blue actually played pretty good today, maybe they'll improve as we head into the bowl season...

wait, what's that? They're not going to a bowl? Damn, that sucks.

Swaggs

11-21-2009, 07:14 PM

Man, Gerhart running vs Notre Dame's defense is going to be something to see. What type of over/under do you set him at next week? 175?

Butter

11-21-2009, 07:16 PM

This is a good one...

Should Tate Forcier Be in the Heisman Race? | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/266463-after-another-compelling-effort-should-tate-forcier-be-in-heisman-race)

Butter

11-21-2009, 07:21 PM

OK, just one more:

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larrymcg421

11-21-2009, 07:22 PM

Maybe their staff shouldn't be texting people a few minutes in. Maybe they should be running around looking for the Triple Option Defender for Dummies book. ;)

I think Miami bought up all copies of that book, since that's the only offense they've been able to stop all year.

Balldog

11-21-2009, 07:44 PM

I thought Pryor looked good today early, then once they started just pounding it on the ground he got out of sync, he had Posey deep twice but over threw him. The ground game was outstanding again, 250 yards rushing and the defense played the bend don't break scheme perfectly.

I loved how the Michigan fan in his mid-30s got in Herron's face in the back of the end zone on OSU's last TD. And how about Shaw for Michigan, what a game after being a complete asshole before the game. 7 carries for 7 yards and 1 reception for -6 yards.

It should be an interesting offseason in Ann Arbor, not only has the performance on the field taken a hit but they've seemed to lose that clean image too. I did enjoy watching Brandon Graham talking shit after every play, the guy is a beast but let your game do the talking. He was the best player out there...hands down.

Logan

11-21-2009, 08:22 PM

One of my best friends is on the RU staff. He texted me a few minutes in and said Syracuse was running the triple option and they hadn't run it all season and RU was totally caught off guard.

Who the fuck do you know that actually thought what Syracuse was running was the triple option? Not even close. I hope you read that text wrong. PM me with a name please.

To DeTox...we were being blown off the LOS terribly. The defense was too aggressive, and SU countered that as they should with reverses, counters, etc. Once we started adjusting to that, they destroyed us up the middle, picking up huge chunks of yards.

On offense, they were pressuring us non-stop. #32 Doug Hogue had one of the best games I've ever seen from someone Rutgers has gone up against. We did nothing to counter the pressure, similar to what Marrone had Cuse doing early.

Toyota Turning Point of the game was when we started rallying in the 1st half, down 24-10 with a couple minutes left and we got the ball down to the SU 10. Putting 7 up to end the half and getting the ball back to start the 2nd would've been huge. So on 1st down we come out in a shotgun formation and run some ridiculous long-winded routes that take forever to develop, and Savage takes a sack and a huge loss. A penalty and another sack backs us up to 3rd and 45, we complete a 20 yarder on 3rd down to get us into decent FG position, and Te shanks the kick. He got run into (definitely not roughing) but no call, wouldn't have mattered anyway. So we come away with no points.

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2009, 09:07 PM

Fucking invisible mystery pass interference call on UT keeps Vandy alive in Knoxville with under 4 minutes to call. Still 24-13 Vols but the Commies are inside the 5.

Swaggs

11-21-2009, 09:07 PM

Matthean

11-21-2009, 09:20 PM

Fuck it, I'll quad dola:

The D problems are on RichRod but also on Carr. His recruiting was not what it could have been the last few years. It's been a pretty reported fact he didn't do much to go out and find players, instead going only after kids he knew would commit because it's Michigan. There are tons of kids who could be here if the UM staff made a more concerted effort. It's why we're at where we're at with the current LB's and DB's we have.

It's inexcusable however it happened. How does a big name program that isn't limited by the NCAA from infractions have 17 unused scholarships when you just went through your worst season ever? Let's say Michigan has a huge recruting class. It just means they are going to be struggling for the next couple of years by default. To be honest, I'm not sure RR is going to get the chance to fill those scholarships and to be able to develop that talent considering he'll be dealing with a young team for some time. If he can't fill whatever scholarships he has, then I can definitely see that as being part of his downfall.
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Tigercat

11-21-2009, 09:27 PM

Re: the LSU game... Miles and Crowton's biggest mistake wasn't the 1 second spike. Bad mistake, but understandable considering the stress and craziness of that situation, including considering a FG at that moment and realizing there is no way you will snap it in time. The horrible mistake was passing it twice from the opponents 30 yard line, down by two, with two timeouts. Horrible, horrible game decisions.

The pitchforks are definitely out en mass tonight in Louisiana. Crowton was excellent in '07 and '08, but his performance this year will probably lead to his dismissal at the end of the season.

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2009, 09:30 PM

Tennessee wins 31-16 & becomes bowl eligible. Final score comes with :03 left as a fifth year senior DL picks off a pass & slowly rumbles 23 yds for a TD. ONe of the few times I've seen Kiffin come across as genuine as he celebrated with delight for the guy and appeared to flatten a nearby Crompton (I think it was JC) in the process.

Jon

11-21-2009, 09:34 PM

Who the fuck do you know that actually thought what Syracuse was running was the triple option? Not even close. I hope you read that text wrong. PM me with a name please.

To DeTox...we were being blown off the LOS terribly. The defense was too aggressive, and SU countered that as they should with reverses, counters, etc. Once we started adjusting to that, they destroyed us up the middle, picking up huge chunks of yards.

On offense, they were pressuring us non-stop. #32 Doug Hogue had one of the best games I've ever seen from someone Rutgers has gone up against. We did nothing to counter the pressure, similar to what Marrone had Cuse doing early.

Toyota Turning Point of the game was when we started rallying in the 1st half, down 24-10 with a couple minutes left and we got the ball down to the SU 10. Putting 7 up to end the half and getting the ball back to start the 2nd would've been huge. So on 1st down we come out in a shotgun formation and run some ridiculous long-winded routes that take forever to develop, and Savage takes a sack and a huge loss. A penalty and another sack backs us up to 3rd and 45, we complete a 20 yarder on 3rd down to get us into decent FG position, and Te shanks the kick. He got run into (definitely not roughing) but no call, wouldn't have mattered anyway. So we come away with no points.

I have to second this (esp the PM part it it, if you don't mind). I watched the game and didn't see any real adjustments (which has been a problem all year. This felt like the 2006Cincinnati game. It's as if they were looking ahead to the West Virginia game. It was poor coaching and poor execution on both sides of the ball, except for special teams.

Say goodbye to the Gator or Meineke. It's likely St. Petersburg Bowl (which is okay, I guess, since that's the only bowl I requested tickets for in my app as it's the only game I could attend). But still, it's sad.

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2009, 09:35 PM

Unfreakinbelievable. Kentucky trails 27-20 in Athens & they block a punt only to see Georgia recover & advance it for a first down.

edit: Facemask on the kicking team on the play, so now they have to kick it again. And the penalty was on the punter no less.

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2009, 09:42 PM

I wonder how much hype Derrick Locke would get on a reasonably good football team? Takes a screen pass to the house, it's 27-27 in Athens.

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2009, 09:47 PM

Interception by some huge ass DL for Kentucky, they're first & goal inside the 10.

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2009, 09:51 PM

Touchdown Kentucky, 34-27 with 9:55 left in regulation.

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2009, 10:11 PM

Georgia fumbles inside the Kentucky 5 with 2:21 left, still 34-27 'Cats.

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2009, 10:18 PM

Georgia ball near midfield after a UK punt, 1:52 left, trailing 34-27 at home.

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2009, 10:19 PM

INTERCEPTION KENTUCKY !!!

Recoil

11-21-2009, 10:21 PM

As a Tech fan, I hate to see UGA lose this one. Not only do they have nothing to lose, but they'll be coming off a loss.

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2009, 10:22 PM

As a Tech fan, I hate to see UGA lose this one. Not only do they have nothing to lose, but they'll be coming off a loss.

They'll quit on Cox after this one.

Recoil

11-21-2009, 10:28 PM

They'll quit on Cox after this one.

I hope you're right.

OOT: I was in Athens last Sunday. After beating Auburn, you would've thought the Dawgs won the NC.

cartman

11-21-2009, 10:34 PM

Colt McCoy is the all-time winningest college quarterback. Two more wins to get to the BCS championship game. Short week to face A&M at College Station, then the Big 12 Championship game against Nebraska.

Kodos

11-21-2009, 11:58 PM

Kodos

11-22-2009, 12:02 AM

UConn beats ND 33-30 in the 2nd OT.

Highlight of my weekend so far. :)

bhlloy

11-22-2009, 12:29 AM

ISiddiqui

11-22-2009, 12:32 AM

Rutgers fucking sucks. We get in to the top 25, and lay an egg against probably the worst team in the Big East and maybe one of the worst in the country. Un-fucking-real.

Seriously. WTF? I saw the score and thought they had it reversed.

Eaglesfan27

11-22-2009, 12:37 AM

bhlloy

11-22-2009, 12:42 AM

If he resigns wouldn't he be leaving 18 million (rumored) on the table... or can you still get your buyout if you quit?

The AD should go before Charlie does. Worst contract ever?

Lathum

11-22-2009, 12:47 AM

OK, so I just talked to my buddy. He said it wasn't classic triple option, but they were running a lot of pitches and plays they had never run.

It was my misinterpretation, I obviously wasn't watching the game.

Karlifornia

11-22-2009, 05:31 AM

Stanford loses to Cal, 34-28. I didn't get to see the second half, as I had to go to work, but it sounds like Stanford had great chances to pull out a win. All respect goes to Cal. They exposed Stanford's defense enough to force Andrew Luck to try win it, and he just couldn't do it. It's great that the Big Game actually meant something this year. Hopefully Gerhart stays (not gonna happen..much like the Lopez twins), and Stanford can make a run at the whole thing next season.

Eaglesfan27

11-22-2009, 07:58 AM

If he resigns wouldn't he be leaving 18 million (rumored) on the table... or can you still get your buyout if you quit?

The AD should go before Charlie does. Worst contract ever?

That is why I can't see him "resigning" unless they have come to a reasonable payout agreement, but that doesn't sound like Charlie's personality.

tarcone

11-22-2009, 08:09 AM

My inside info has Iowa in the Fiesta Bowl. I think they go to the Orange.

JPhillips

11-22-2009, 08:11 AM

That is why I can't see him "resigning" unless they have come to a reasonable payout agreement, but that doesn't sound like Charlie's personality.

Leaving 18mil for zero doesn't sound like anyone's personality.

Eaglesfan27

11-22-2009, 08:20 AM

I wasn't saying he would leave for nothing, but perhaps a reasonable coach who realized he had the lowest win percentage during his tenure of any ND coach in the last few decades, and that he was getting embarassed might leave by resigning for 2/3 of the money or so if he had reached an agreement with the school to do so. It's not like he can't go get a job in the NFL as an assistant again to make more money. However, that doesn't seem like Charlie's personality.

bob

11-22-2009, 08:27 AM

digamma

11-22-2009, 08:47 AM

As a Tech fan, I hate to see UGA lose this one. Not only do they have nothing to lose, but they'll be coming off a loss.

They'll quit on Cox after this one.

I was more worried about Georgia putting it together a bit after winning last week and coming to Atlanta on a 3 game win streak. I feel better about the game after last night. Usually, you don't have to worry about being up for Georgia, but with ClemPson the following week, this feels like a TRAP GAME.

CU Tiger

11-22-2009, 09:18 AM

Last time Iowa was in the Orange Bowl, 48,000 fans went to Miami. Orange Bowl wont pass up that. This is the main reason I think Iowa is in the Orange Bowl.

That will depend largely on the outcome of the ACC CG.
If Clemson beats GT. they will bring 50k or so down(maybe more based on our first OB in 10+ years), at which point the Orange can "sell off" a good traveler as the game will be a near lock sell out.

Bring on the chickens next week, then its time for a post Thanksgiving weekend get a way to Tampa.....to hopefully avenge the GT coaching snafoos from week 2.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-22-2009, 09:52 AM

Really thrilled with how Blaine Gabbert has performed this season, despite playing on one leg for 1/3 of the season. 60% completion rate, 3,000 yards passing, 22 TD/9 INT, 143.3 passing rating. Fantastic stuff for a sophomore QB. Also amazing to see Maclin's records being shattered by Danario Alexander. We're definitely seeing why Denario got the starting spot over Maclin before injuries knocked him out a couple of seasons ago.

Had Mizzou not collapsed in the 4th quarter against Nebraska, MU would be playing for the North championship next week, but that's how it goes. Still a great opportunity for Mizzou to go to 8-4 with a win over KU, which is a regular season result most programs would give anything to have.

JonInMiddleGA

11-22-2009, 09:59 AM

to hopefully avenge the GT coaching snafoos from week 2.

This is what has me worried me at this point. Clemson isn't likely to be worse than they were in the first meeting, Tech on the other hand is almost {gulp} due for a meltdown. And maybe the biggest advantage any team has against the option is having prepared for it once already & knowing the mistakes that were made. Color me very worried about the second matchup.

Radii

11-22-2009, 10:03 AM

digamma

11-22-2009, 11:44 AM

This is what has me worried me at this point. Clemson isn't likely to be worse than they were in the first meeting, Tech on the other hand is almost {gulp} due for a meltdown. And maybe the biggest advantage any team has against the option is having prepared for it once already & knowing the mistakes that were made. Color me very worried about the second matchup.

I'll preface this by saying I know that ClemPson has improved a great deal since September 10, and that being let down is sort of a rite of passage as a Georgia Tech fan. That said, it seems that there are a lot of GT fans who are unwilling to admit that this team is actually a pretty good football team (I'm not really lumping you into that category, just noting an observation of the fan base as a whole).

I'd rate the Clemson game as one of the three worst performances of the season. Just as the Tigers have improved, Tech has improved tremendously since that game. They've added dimensions to the offense and played timely defense (not necessarily good defense, but timely defense). They went more than four games without having to punt in the second half. Since the Miami game, only Wake Forest has had the ball in the fourth quarter with a chance to take a lead. And, with what most people thought was sort of a pedestrian game offensively against Clemson the first time around, they still put up 300+ rushing yards and 418 yards of total offense.

I have no thoughts that the ACCCG will be a cake walk, but I think too many folks are conceding this one to Clemson.

And, oh yeah, To Hell with Georgia (that's the let down I 'm worried about (and yes, I recognize the irony of that statement)).

MJ4H

11-22-2009, 12:01 PM

Wonder what the chances of this happening are.

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By Chris Low

There's not even a debate now.

Arkansas' Ryan Mallett (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232007) is the best quarterback in the SEC this season and should be the first-team All-SEC quarterback.

Yes, Tim Tebow (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183484) is Tim Tebow, but Mallett has the better numbers this season. He's thrown five touchdown passes Saturday against Mississippi State and has 28 on the season.

The more you see him play and improve, the more Arkansas fans might need to worry that he's going to seriously consider turning pro following this season. He's been that good ... and getting better.

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(the first team all-sec, not the going pro)

MJ4H

11-22-2009, 01:03 PM

And thank goodness Saturday that on LSU's final play of the game, with one second left as LSU tried to spike the ball at the Ole Miss 5 before time ran out, LSU didn't line up in an unconventional formation.
"If they had gotten in a formation I hadn't seen, I would have called a time out, because I had two time outs left," Nutt said.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Call a time out and let LSU get its field goal kicking team on the field for a chip shot game-winner?

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(LOL)

MJ4H

11-22-2009, 03:35 PM

I don't know if there is a separate coaching carousel thread, but Paul Petrino is the leading candidate for the Western Kentucky head coach job. Would be his first head coaching job. I think he would be fantastic for them, but I would hate to lose him (though he has the title of OC at Arkansas, I think he really is more like the receivers coach).

Matthean

11-22-2009, 03:44 PM

Wonder what the chances of this happening are.

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There's not even a debate now.

Arkansas' Ryan Mallett (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232007) is the best quarterback in the SEC this season and should be the first-team All-SEC quarterback.

Yes, Tim Tebow (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183484) is Tim Tebow, but Mallett has the better numbers this season. He's thrown five touchdown passes Saturday against Mississippi State and has 28 on the season.

The more you see him play and improve, the more Arkansas fans might need to worry that he's going to seriously consider turning pro following this season. He's been that good ... and getting better.

Mallett putting on a show - SEC Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post?id=6283)

(the first team all-sec, not the going pro)

I think it would be too soon to jump from college to pro considering he's played for two years. I'm not really sure how high he would have gone, but adding a year should only help.
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tarcone

11-22-2009, 04:19 PM

That will depend largely on the outcome of the ACC CG.
If Clemson beats GT. they will bring 50k or so down(maybe more based on our first OB in 10+ years), at which point the Orange can "sell off" a good traveler as the game will be a near lock sell out.

Bring on the chickens next week, then its time for a post Thanksgiving weekend get a way to Tampa.....to hopefully avenge the GT coaching snafoos from week 2.

Yeah, it seems more likely Iowa ends up in the Fiesta. I think you guys are right that the Orange wants an East Coast team or 2.

As for the Fiesta, Iowa had 30,000 fans at the Iowa/Arizona State game the last time they played. Fiesta would like to see a sell out I imagine.

BishopMVP

11-22-2009, 04:39 PM

Assuming Weis gets canned, I wonder if it's worth hanging onto him until after the Stanford game? A lot of the kids do genuinely seem to want him to stay and who knows, they might play better if they think they are playing for his job. Plus who do you put in charge, the defensive co-ordinator is even worse than Fat Charlie.

Interested to hear the ND fans take on if he can pull out a win vs Stanford (which is very possible, Stanford is very up and down this season), do you think about keeping him for one more year?He's not getting fired until after the Stanford game anyways. For a scandal maybe they'd step in mid-season, but just for poor performance they always meet within the week after the last game.

The DC thing is just weird. GT fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but Tenuta was good there, right? It wasn't one of those situations where people on the outside think he's doing well but the fans think he's not?

I don't think there's any way Weis can (or should) be kept at this point. There were ways the team could have played, and still lost even all 3 of the last ones and I could argue that he deserved more time, but not the way they've looked the last 2 weeks. With his job on the line Weis has turned from aggressive playcaller to conservative and it's killing the offense (outside of the 4th quarter vs. Pitt when we were down 20 and he was forced to open it up).

I think Gerhart's a little overrated with the Heisman talk at this point, (YPC is a little low) but I'm sure he'll still get 150 minimum. We'll see if Weis decides to throw it more. For all the talk of ND's terrible defense, Stanford's actually given up 10 more points in the same number of games. (And vice versa - for the talk of ND's offense, Stanford's scored 66 more.)

Blade6119

11-22-2009, 05:52 PM

I think it would be too soon to jump from college to pro considering he's played for two years. I'm not really sure how high he would have gone, but adding a year should only help.
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I think the big issue most people arent considering is that this year is the big year to come out, because there might be a new cap on rookie contracts by the next draft. I fully expect a larger then normal amount of players to come out this year and try to cash in.

flounder

11-22-2009, 05:57 PM

Karlifornia

11-22-2009, 06:00 PM

Toby Gerhart didn't have Chattanooga, Florida International, and North Texas on his schedule.

EDIT: Not that he'd get it anyway after the loss to Cal.

Eaglesfan27

11-22-2009, 06:14 PM

I think the big issue most people arent considering is that this year is the big year to come out, because their might be a new cap on rookie contracts by the next draft. I fully expect a larger then normal amount of players to come out this year and try to cash in.

Yep, I think some guys who would never normally leave their school early are going to declare. There is talk of several USC players leaving that would never leave otherwise (guys who have done very little this year) and I imagine that will be the case with several teams.

Matthean

11-22-2009, 06:20 PM

I think the big issue most people arent considering is that this year is the big year to come out, because their might be a new cap on rookie contracts by the next draft. I fully expect a larger then normal amount of players to come out this year and try to cash in.

I think the cap issue will hit the top 5 the most, and I'm not really sure teams are willing to spend a 1.5, or higher on Mallett this year. You figure McCoy has to be looked at as one of the top QBs taken as well and then some teams, ie Detroit, already are invested in a QB. Granted, St. Louis, Oakland, and Washington are three teams alone looking for QB help.

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Swaggs

11-22-2009, 06:40 PM

Yeah, it seems more likely Iowa ends up in the Fiesta. I think you guys are right that the Orange wants an East Coast team or 2.

As for the Fiesta, Iowa had 30,000 fans at the Iowa/Arizona State game the last time they played. Fiesta would like to see a sell out I imagine.

I wonder if Iowa could end up outside the top 12 of the BCS. Since they have finished their season, it doesn't seem too improbable that a handful of teams could jump them (Clemson, Va Tech, Oregon State, Oklahoma State, LSU?) if they finish the season with wins. Right now, Iowa should be rooting for Cincy to beat Pitt (Cincy probably wouldn't drop below Iowa w/ a loss), Oregon to beat OSU or OSU to beat Oregon badly, Georgia Tech to beat Clemson or Clemson to beat GT very badly, and Arkansas to beat LSU.

Also, who would be the other team in the Fiesta. It seems like they would get a lot of pressure from the Big 12 to take Oklahoma State (provided Texas doesn't "fall" to the Fiesta), so that their bowl partner could get the extra $5M that comes with two BCS bids.

BishopMVP

11-22-2009, 07:15 PM

Toby Gerhart didn't have Chattanooga, Florida International, and North Texas on his schedule.

EDIT: Not that he'd get it anyway after the loss to Cal.Discounting those (and the whopping 29 carries) Mark Ingram vs. 7 SEC teams+VT - 176-1150 6.53 YPC 143.8YPG. Only 1 game below 5.5 YPC. Toby Gerhart in 11 games 282-1531 5.42 YPC 139.2YPG. 7 games below 5.5 YPC. I'd rather this be the year they give it to a defensive player like Suh or McClain, but if we're gonna give it to a skill position player for putting up gaudy stats on more attempts than most I'd rather go Case Keenum. (But really, anybody but Tebow please.)

BishopMVP

11-22-2009, 07:20 PM

Yep, I think some guys who would never normally leave their school early are going to declare. There is talk of several USC players leaving that would never leave otherwise (guys who have done very little this year) and I imagine that will be the case with several teams.This is the mindset I don't understand. Any NFL draft cap will disproportionally affect the top 10, then 1st rounders, then maybe 2nd rounders. 3rd round on no one's getting large bonuses anyways, so how would jumping early help players like this? They'd be much better served going back to college for a year and playing their way into 1st round pick status - because 1st round pick under a cap is still going to make more than 3rd/4th rounder now.

digamma

11-22-2009, 07:25 PM

My opinion, take it for what it's worth, is that Tenuta is a genius at designing blitz schemes. If the blitz isn't working though, he has a hard time adjusting.

One week wasn't enough to prepare to play GT's defense. A lot of really good teams were unable to keep Tech from pressuring the QB and ended up losing. However, if you gave a team a month to prepare, they were often able to neutralize the blitz and rack up yards. I'm thinking in particular of the Emerald Bowl against Utah where they killed us with quick passing routes and whichever Bowl it was against Fresno State where they ran the ball up the middle at will.

However, I give Tenuta a lot of credit for the team's relative success during the Chan Gailey era. His defense always gave us a puncher's chance of knocking off anyone.

I agree almost wholeheartedly. Tenuta's scheme is of the live by the sword, die by the sword philosophy. The 2006 Clemson game is another one where they changed a couple of things up to pick up or avoid blitzes and ran away with the ball game.

The one thing I think is overlooked is that those Tenuta teams also had a lot of talent. Just off the top of my head, Darryl Smith, Key Fox, Phillip Wheeler, Gary Guyton, James Butler and Dawan Landry, not to mention last year's defensive linemen, have all been starters in the NFL. Enough talent that you wonder if a more varied sheme may have been more successful.

Eaglesfan27

11-22-2009, 07:28 PM

This is the mindset I don't understand. Any NFL draft cap will disproportionally affect the top 10, then 1st rounders, then maybe 2nd rounders. 3rd round on no one's getting large bonuses anyways, so how would jumping early help players like this? They'd be much better served going back to college for a year and playing their way into 1st round pick status - because 1st round pick under a cap is still going to make more than 3rd/4th rounder now.

I agree with you, but I think a lot of young men are going to be talked into it by agents and the like who will distort the issue.

tarcone

11-22-2009, 08:38 PM

NCAA College Football BCS Bowl Projections Week 12 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections)

Some bowl predictions on espn.com

Matthean

11-22-2009, 09:38 PM

NCAA College Football BCS Bowl Projections Week 12 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections)

Some bowl predictions on espn.com

Either version of the Sugar would be interesting. Could Cincinnati put up points against a top notch defense. 'Bama has made some QBs look just downright awful. Notre Dame vs. Central Michigan in the GMAC bowl would be rather interesting as well. <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

molson

11-22-2009, 10:35 PM

Very enjoyable trip to the Carrier Dome this weekend for me.....

RainMaker

11-22-2009, 11:18 PM

BCS hired a PR firm who created a Twitter account. Not going well.

@insidethebcs - Twitter Search (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%40insidethebcs)

RainMaker

11-22-2009, 11:21 PM

Either version of the Sugar would be interesting. Could Cincinnati put up points against a top notch defense. 'Bama has made some QBs look just downright awful. Notre Dame vs. Central Michigan in the GMAC bowl would be rather interesting as well. 
Wouldn't the GMAC Bowl be real bad for Notre Dame if they plan to fire Weis at the end of the season? The bowl game is January 6 and it doesn't give them the headstart a crappier game would give them. Unless they fire him before the bowl game.

Chief Rum

11-22-2009, 11:34 PM

BCS hired a PR firm who created a Twitter account. Not going well.

@insidethebcs - Twitter Search (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%40insidethebcs)

Okay, some of those are funny. Had to know this one wasn't going to work out well.

The one that had me loling was the tweet that suggested after this move, the BCS's next great move would be to sue every college football fan.

Eaglesfan27

11-23-2009, 12:07 AM

Okay, some of those are funny. Had to know this one wasn't going to work out well.

The one that had me loling was the tweet that suggested after this move, the BCS's next great move would be to sue every college football fan.

That was the first one that made me laugh out loud as well. Some very funny comments on there.

molson

11-23-2009, 08:38 AM

Kind of sad to see Northeastern end their football program after 70+ years.

I wonder if there will be more of this at the FCS level.

DaddyTorgo

11-23-2009, 08:41 AM

ugh

BC's quarterback - (this 25 y/o kid who played minor league baseball after HS) is absolutely brutal. His decision-making is horrendous - never just throws the ball away but always tries to force it in there. And the worst part is that he's not improving at all week-to-week. He flat-out has lost multiple-games this year with his poor decision-making.

Fortunately they've got a heralded recruit coming in at the QB position in January (finished HS early and is coming into school in January to get settled and start practicing and learning the playbook and stuff), so we only have to deal with this miserable schlub for this year.

Chief Rum

11-23-2009, 10:36 AM

Fortunately they've got a heralded recruit coming in at the QB position in January (finished HS early and is coming into school in January to get settled and start practicing and learning the playbook and stuff), so we only have to deal with this miserable schlub for this year.

I am guessing that is Rettig? His season just ended on Friday.

DaddyTorgo

11-23-2009, 11:54 AM

I am guessing that is Rettig? His season just ended on Friday.

correcto. i forgot his name, or didn't want to misspell it or whatever.

they've got some decent underclassmen receivers for him (one big 6-2 guy), and there's another guy - Shakim Phillips who will be coming in i think next year who is supposedly pretty good i've heard.

2 4-star offensive recruits, and then a 4-star OLB recruit (who will prolly move to DE). And we've got Herzelich coming back from cancer next year and the emergence of this huge MLB Luke Kuechly (19 tackles last game), and then Montel Harris who is tearing shit up as a RB.

If Rettig can get off to a good start and learn the playbook and all, it could be a good year next year

Kodos

11-23-2009, 01:23 PM

Urban Meyer says he has no interest in coaching at Notre Dame. I love how their list is getting shot to hell before they even officially have started looking. :)

Blade6119

11-23-2009, 01:49 PM

Atocep

11-23-2009, 01:55 PM

To be fair, how many coaches have said that then 3 weeks later are coaching at the school they had no interest in?

I mean, his team is in the title hunt, until the day after his bowl game he will say nothing but how much he loves UF

It very well could be nothing more than him telling ND that it's going to take a lot more than what they're offering.

Kodos

11-23-2009, 02:06 PM

I think they should give Romeo Crennel a shot.

Dr. Sak

11-23-2009, 02:07 PM

Bring back Lou Holtz!

Kodos

11-23-2009, 02:23 PM

Two words:

Wayne Fontes.

Young Drachma

11-23-2009, 02:41 PM

BCS hires former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer's PR firm to boost image - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4677927)

ISiddiqui

11-23-2009, 02:52 PM

The way to widespread popularity: Hire a PR firm run by someone from the Bush Administration. BRILLIANT!

SackAttack

11-23-2009, 02:55 PM

To be fair, how many coaches have said that then 3 weeks later are coaching at the school they had no interest in?

I mean, his team is in the title hunt, until the day after his bowl game he will say nothing but how much he loves UF

Unless I'm very much mistaken, didn't they try to get him five years ago only to see him go to Florida? I can't imagine that Notre Dame looks like a better job than Florida now if it didn't five years ago.