View Full Version : 1928 Moderate Democrats - A More Perfect Union [alpha version] dynasty thread.
Umbrella
02-13-2023, 06:06 PM
I'm going to try and do a dynasty thread of my playtesting experience for A More Perfect Union. I was assigned the moderate Democrats, starting in 1928.
I'm just learning how to play, so I'm sure to make a ton of mistakes. I'm also playing with some more experienced playtesters controlling the other factions, so hopefully I'm not being fed to the sharks.
Right now, my faction control 9 senate votes, 31 house votes, 3 governors, and 1 Supreme Court justice. Some of the more prominent members include Congressman Cordell Hull (TN), Congressman Sam Rayburn (TX), and Senator Carl Hayden (AZ). In addition, I also have former Secretary of the Treasury William Gibbs McAdoo (CA), and a young judge named Harry S. Truman.
My first action is the 1928 draft. Yes, you draft politicians to your faction! There are limitations to who you can draft though. You have to draft towards your faction's ideology, or there is a high chance you lose your pick. This means I can only draft moderates or conservatives. The better democrats in this draft are liberal, and I don't think I want to risk losing a pick, so this will likely not be a strong draft for me. Adlai Stevenson II is the highlight of the draft, but since the draft order will be random for the first draft, my odds of getting him are slim.
I haven't decided what my overall strategy will be for this playthrough. Should I try just to maximize my score as much as possible, should I try to shape the country in the way I would like to see it go, or should I just try and get as many of my politicians elected as possible? Stay tuned.
QuikSand
02-13-2023, 07:31 PM
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careful with that if you want to stay true to history, bub
Umbrella
02-13-2023, 08:33 PM
The first three rounds of the draft have been completed.
My first big break of the game, as I randomly got the #1 pick. Yes Adlai Stevenson, welcome to the moderate faction.
In the second round, I got Maxwell Taylor. In real life, his highlight was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff after serving with distinction during WW2.
My third pick was Brien McMahon, who was a senator from CT in real life. He was the author of the atomic energy act. Unfortunately he died of lung cancer at age 48. Hopefully that won't repeat itself in this version of history.
In all, I have 13 new members of my faction. The next step is to determine career paths. There are seven different career paths you can place new draft picks on. However, you can only place one per path, so I have to choose carefully. These paths represent things like military service, private business, lower level judges, congressional aides, etc. This is a way to grow your politicians to become more powerful later.
JonInMiddleGA
02-13-2023, 08:52 PM
In all, I have 13 new members of my faction. The next step is to determine career paths. There are seven different career paths you can place new draft picks on. However, you can only place one per path, so I have to choose carefully. These paths represent things like military service, private business, lower level judges, congressional aides, etc. This is a way to grow your politicians to become more powerful later.\
So is this more like you drafted "future politicians", i.e. those with an interest in (and future in) politics as opposed to acquiring, say, first-term representatives and such?
Umbrella
02-13-2023, 09:38 PM
So is this more like you drafted "future politicians", i.e. those with an interest in (and future in) politics as opposed to acquiring, say, first-term representatives and such?
That's how I like to look at it. Think of it like the baseball draft. Most players go through the minors for a while before making the show. These career tracks are like the minor leagues. For example, think of someone on the legislative track as a representative at the state level.
In my case, I struggled with what to do with Stevenson. He's one of my better guys right off the bat even without upgrades, so I had to decide if I wanted to use a solid politician right now, or send him to a career track and possibly make an absolute powerhouse.
In the end, here is who I sent to career tracks:
John W Bonner - Private sector (catch all track)
Maxwell D Taylor - Military sector (future general, or military official)
Brien McMahon - Judicial track (future supreme court, but could be congressman)
James T Blair Jr. - Governing track (future governor)
Adlai Stevenson - Legislative track (future congressman)
Charles L Terry - Administrative track (future cabinet member)
Edith Sampson - Backroom track (unusual track, think kingmakers)
Blair was the governor of Missouri in real life, so that seems like the right track for him. I decided to put Stevenson on the legislative track. He's the type of guy who could do anything, but this seems the right spot for him. Bonner is a jack of all trades guy, and the private sector gives improvements all over the place, so I'll have to wait and see how he turns out. Sampson was an interesting one for me. She's a black woman, so the chances of her getting elected to anything in this era are unlikely. By getting her into backroom politics, I'm hoping she'll be able to exert influence indirectly for me.
MoonlightGraham
02-14-2023, 01:50 PM
I bought A More Perfect Union recently, too. I haven't had much opportunity to play, though. I'll definitely be following along.
Good luck with your moderate Democrat dynasty! :)
dubb93
02-14-2023, 03:12 PM
I assume this isn’t multiplayer only?
Umbrella
02-14-2023, 11:35 PM
I assume this isn’t multiplayer only?
I know the computer version will be single player. I think the option for multiplayer is available as well, but not sure how it will be implemented.
Umbrella
02-14-2023, 11:50 PM
The next phase is moving your politicians to different states. Some of them have alternate states listed to show their real life changes. None of mine do though. However, I can still attempt to move from overpopulated states to underpopulated states. This isn't guaranteed to work, and there is also a chance that they will get the carpetbagger trait. I'm taking the chance and relocating John J O'Connor from NY to RI.
Also, we can change ideologies. All factions can do this with 3 politicians, and depending on your faction leader, you can do more. Since we haven't elected faction leaders yet, I can only try 3. Once again, this isn't guaranteed to work, and there is the possibility of getting negative traits, such as flip flopper or two faced. I'll take the chance, and try and shift J Millard Tawes and Elbert D Thomas from moderate to conservative. I'll also try to shift Edwin Y Webb from conservative to traditionalist. I'm doing this to try and improve their election chances within their specific states.
There's a step that I am skipping, but normally we can have our faction leaders try and convert other politicians to our faction. Only one faction has a leader right now, because the president of the US is automatically the faction and party leader. I've got a couple of politicians that could jump parties, but they kind of suck, so I don't think they will be targeted.
The last part of this phase involves kingmakers. They can take a protege from their own state, and potentially transfer some of their stats to the protege. Protege's also do better in state elections. It's a pretty powerful tool. Unfortunately, I only have 1 kingmaker, and this guy is a character. James Michael Curley is the king of corruption, you should check out his story. I'm using him to take on Charles Sumner Hamlin as his protege. Here's hoping Hamlin doesn't get all the negative traits from Curley.
JonInMiddleGA
02-15-2023, 08:01 AM
Question: 12 different start dates, but I don't see whether those are closed-ended or if you could take the earliest date and, with enough success at least, carry on all the way to the present day.
Umbrella
02-15-2023, 10:59 AM
Question: 12 different start dates, but I don't see whether those are closed-ended or if you could take the earliest date and, with enough success at least, carry on all the way to the present day.
Yes, you can start in 1772 and go all the way into the future if you want.
The current playtests are being done by hand, so they are going slow. I know they had one that started in 1772, and went for months, only ending up in the 1820's. Therefore, they are testing different eras to see how significant events in history play out. For example, the civil war one found a lot of potential issues with how reconstruction works. I'm sure the one I'm in will focus on the great depression and WW2, and make sure these play out in a proper manner.
Umbrella
02-15-2023, 02:31 PM
My movements were a mixed bag. O'Connor was able to move to RI, but gained the carpetbagger trait, which will hurt him in all elections for the next 10 years. Webb was able to shift his ideology to traditionalist with no penalty. Curley's mentorship of Hamlin wasn't bad. Hamlin improved his legislative skill, became more experienced in business matters, but also gained the controversial trait from his mentor.
Once this segment has been completed for the rest of the players, the next stage is determining the faction personality. Each faction will have an ideology based on its members (spoiler alert: mine will be moderate). It's possible to have more than one, but this won't be the case for me. In addition, there is also a faction interest. I'm not sure what mine will be yet, but I'm guessing either Reformists or Expansionists, depending on what happens with the other factions. And finally, there will be the lobbies. There are a bunch of them, and there are a lot of conditions that need to be met to hold the lobby card. As part of my draft strategy, I focused on education, so I hope that we get the public education lobby.
All factions will have at least one each of ideology, interest, and lobby cards. They can have more than one if they meet the requirements. These come into play for various things, but mostly for your score. Simply put, you get more points for passing legislation that satisfies your cards, and lose points for legislation that hurts your cards.
Umbrella
02-15-2023, 10:08 PM
My faction ended up with the following cards:
Ideologies
Moderates
Special Interests
Expansionists
Lobbies
Public Education
Free Trade
Welfare (how?)
All the steps of the faction realignment phase are complete. Now we enter the next phase - Leaders Emerge
Umbrella
02-15-2023, 10:13 PM
The first step of the next phase is to elect the congressional leaders. This includes Speaker of the House, House Majority and Minority Leader, House Majority and Minority Whip, Senate Majority and Minority Leader, and Senate Majority and Minority Whip. There are various requirements involving traits and abilities, but since this is a new game, nobody meets all of the requirements, so everyone is eligible to run.
I decided to run someone in all four positions. My choices are:
House Minority Leader - Cordell Hull of TN
House Minority Whip - Sam Rayburn of TX
Senate Minority Leader - Carl Hayden of AZ
Senate Minority Whip - Hugo Black of AL
I'm not 100% sure how the voting for this works, so I don't know how realistic my chances are of winning. I don't have a lot of House votes, but I do have some influence in the Senate, so maybe I can get one of them elected.
Izulde
02-16-2023, 07:01 PM
Downloaded it and started in 1772. Couldn't figure out how to assign people to tracks after draft and accidentally quit the game.
Umbrella
02-16-2023, 07:29 PM
Downloaded it and started in 1772. Couldn't figure out how to assign people to tracks after draft and accidentally quit the game.
The computer alpha is only the draft right now, so that's why it is as far as you can go at this point. The version I am playtesting is still manual (someone manually doing dice rolls, manually entering the data, etc.) which is why it is so slow.
I just wanted to add that I got the results for Carl Hayden's win. He gained the propogandist and debater traits. I have no clue what propogandist does yet, but I think debater helps with debates during presidential elections.
Also, there is a chance that voters like who was selected. In my case, moderate voter enthusiasm shifted more towards the democrats because Hayden was chosen as minority leader.
Umbrella
02-16-2023, 10:17 PM
I did a little bit of a dig in the rules, and it looks like propagandist also helps with trying to convert politicians to your faction.
Here are my members of various committees:
House Domestic
Stanley H Kunz (IL)
John J McSwain (SC)
House Economic
Clarence Lea (CA)
Riley J Wilson (LA)
House Foreign/Military
Otis Wingo (AR)
House Judicial
Rene L De Rouen (LA)
Senate Domestic
Tom Connally (TX)
Hugo Black (AL)
Kenneth McKellar (TN)
Senate Economic
Lawrence D Tyson (TN) - Ranking Member
Elmer Thomas (OK)
Senate Foreign/Military
Henry F Ashurst (AZ) - Ranking Member
John B Kendrick (WY)
Senate Judicial
Vail Pittman (NV)
All of these committee members have a very small chance of gaining some abilities, and will gain a trait associated with the committee they are in.
Umbrella
02-17-2023, 11:52 PM
All of the committee members got a new interest based on their committees. In addition, Ashurst improved his legislative ability.
The next step is selecting a faction leader, faction name, and then we'll vote for party leader. There are certain requirements that have to be met to be eligible for faction leader, but most of my politicians meet them for now. I selected Senate Minority Leader Carl Hayden as the faction leader. There are score penalties if one faction gets too far ahead of the others in the same party, so I decided to not run for party leader.
There are a list of eligible names you can choose for your faction based on the faction personality. I could have been the Moderate Democrats, as listed in the title, but that is a bit boring, so we will be the School Book Liberals.
I made a deal with the far right wing faction to vote for their candidate (Eugene Talmadge) as party leader. Of course after I made this deal, I looked him up on Wikipedia and found he was a white supremacist. We'll see how everyone else votes.
Umbrella
02-19-2023, 04:59 PM
The party leadership was certainly a mixed bag of candidates. In other words, none of these I wanted to vote for. In the end, against my objections, the Democrats elected Huey Long for our party leader. I think interesting times are ahead for our party.
The next phase involves all of the presidential appointments. With a republican president, not a lot of chances any of my politicians will be selected for anything. However, I forgot that military leaders are part of this phase, and Matthew Ridgway was selected as a general, while Chester Nimitz was selected as an admiral. Both are very qualified candidates, so not a huge shock they were selected for a non-political role. I accepted both nominations.
After these selections, next comes the confirmation process. The rules for this are pretty complicated, but it boils down to traits and ideologies of the candidate and voters. There are certain situations where you are required to confirm or not. If none of those situations are met, you can vote however you want.
It starts with the appropriate senate committee, and if the candidate gets through the committee, then the whole senate votes. There are some possible consequences that can happen if you vote nay for a candidate that gets confirmed, and vice versa.
The whole confirmation process is kind of confusing when reading it in the rules, so I'll see how it plays out. It might not be as complicated as it seems on first glance.
JonInMiddleGA
02-19-2023, 10:05 PM
The computer alpha is only the draft right now, so that's why it is as far as you can go at this point.
Yikes.
"Yikes" cause I looked at the site and didn't pick up on that at all.
Glad I didn't go with my initial whim & pull the trigger.
JonInMiddleGA
02-19-2023, 10:20 PM
I made a deal with the far right wing faction to vote for their candidate (Eugene Talmadge) as party leader. Of course after I made this deal, I looked him up on Wikipedia and found he was a white supremacist.
Please forgive me if I can't help but laugh, simply because he's such a familiar figure to anyone from Georgia.
He was a powerful three-term governor (and would have had a 4th term had he not died from hepatitis & cirrosis before he could be sworn in) but he's probably best remembered today as the father of future Sen. Herman Talmadge, who had been long groomed as the next governor (indeed, most aside from Gene himself wanted Herman to run in his place for that eventual 4th term).
Herman would end up serving that term (after no shortage of controvery, the "three governors affair") at the age of just 33, and by 1957 would start nearly three decades in the U.S. Senate.
In the waning days of Herman's career, he survived a bitter primary against a young upstart ... Zell Miller... but lost to (R) Mack Mattingly. His downfall was the censure due to "financial irregularities" highlighted by his wife testifying that she routinely took spending money for decades from an old overcoat that her husband kept stuffed with $100 bills. (reportedly at least $45,000 worth of $100s were in that coat)
JonInMiddleGA
02-19-2023, 10:23 PM
His role in the game seems well played. In real-life he explored an alliance with Huey Long based around their mutual hatred of FDR. That alliance failed however when the two discovered that they really had noting in common except that singular hatred. Each wanted to be President, each thought the other should be their VP. They would become bitter enemies & rivals for years to come.
(Long famously saying that Talmadge didn't have the brains to match his ambitions)
Umbrella
02-20-2023, 08:55 AM
Learning out about these politicians is one of the reasons why I am looking forward to this game so much. I'm slowly finding out there was a ton of corrupt politicians during this time frame.
I'm sure most people don't know a lot about Carl Hayden (who I am trying to groom into making the president), but he's somewhat of a legend in Arizona, and specifically in Tempe where I grew up. Tempe was originally called Hayden's Ferry after his father, and his childhood home still stands. For years it was a very popular steakhouse which also served as a museum of sorts to the Hayden family. I grew up with the kids of the owner, and eventually my friend took over the restaurant. Another one of my buddies who died young is buried in the cemetery that Hayden is buried in, not very far away from him.
I don't think this playtest will make it that far, but another politician I hope to get to play as/with is Harry Mitchell. He was a long time mayor of Tempe, and eventually ran for congress. I don't remember how many terms he served (1 or 2), but he's the only national level congressman who knows who I am.
Our current playtest has been on a short hold for a rules discussion. We're wondering for games that start at a specific year, should we start with the presidential election, start with a president and let him choose the cabinet (what we're doing in this playtest), or start with the president and cabinet in place. It currently looks like across the various playtests there is no consistency in this, so everyone involved is trying to decide which works best. I guess this is a reason we do the playtesting. The people that have been involved in multiple playtests think it is better to already start with the cabinet in place. I haven't played enough to have a good opinion on it.
Hopefully it will restart again sometime today, and we can begin the confirmation process.
Umbrella
02-20-2023, 05:30 PM
In a little bit of a surprise, the player who has Patton declined his promotion to general. The replacement was my player, Stanley Foreman Reed. In real life, he became a supreme court justice. He served in WW1, and went into private law practice after the war. In our alternate reality, he stayed in the army and worked his way up the ladder.
That was the last of the nominations, so now we are finally ready to do confirmations. I'm curious to see how this plays out.
Umbrella
02-21-2023, 01:56 PM
Confirmation was a bit anti-climatic. Most candidates get auto-confirmed. We only vote if they're controversial or have a low skill level applicable to their position. In the end, everyone was confirmed, although in hindsight, we should have worked together better to block one of the ambassador positions so we could get an extra spot.
The next phase is where the game really begins to get interesting. This is the events phase of the game. This is where things happen. There are two types of events, random and scripted. Scripted events tend to follow along with historical events, while random events can be just about anything, from natural disasters to scandals hitting a random politician. There are probabilities to what events fire, and many of the scripted events have prerequisites that need to be met before they can fire.
We'll see if we start heading towards a great depression, WW2, or if we have a different alternate reality.
Umbrella
02-21-2023, 10:39 PM
The first part of the events phase is deaths and retirements. Keep in mind that this "round" is actually a two year term from 1928-1930. It's not like everyone died at once, just sometime during the term.
For me, John Vandling Lesher died in a deadly accident. I don't even know who he was, and he's no longer on my roster, so not bad, I guess. In addition, Senator John B Kendrick of WY will retire at the end of his term to become a university president. This one hurts a little more.
From the other factions, the biggest names to retire at the end of this term were Justice Oliver Wendall Holmes, and House Majority Leader John Q Tildon.
For the general events phase, most of them were minor. There is a labor strike which has turned violent, and a possible meeting with a foreign dictator, among other things giving some flavor and small politician stat changes. However, one is very major. President Hoover took a nasty fall, involving a long recovery period. In game terms, he takes a giant hit to his abilities, and has the option of stepping down and letting the VP take over the presidency. This looks like one of the defining moments of this term, at least until we get the scripted events.
Umbrella
02-22-2023, 04:47 PM
The labor strikes resulted in moderate and conservative enthusiasm shift towards the Democrats. Hoover decided to continue on, so we'll see how this plays out.
One thing I have never mentioned is the meters. There are several meters in the game that reflect certain things within the country. Things such as the economy, quality of life, military readiness, relationships with other countries, etc. In addition, there are also meters for enthusiasm towards or against the parties based on ideology. There are many things which can affect the ideology meters. Ideology meters affect elections, as voters with certain ideologies will turn towards or against a party based on their actions.
In general, this is the stage of the game where the meters start to get changed. For example, the labor strike decreased the domestic stability meter one level. The levels of these meters impact a lot of different things, some of which are which scripted events are eligible to fire, which will be the next thing to happen.
Obviously, the meters will also change once legislation gets passed, when we get to that phase. It makes the balance tricky. Do I submit or vote for legislation which pleases my base and lobbies, even if it hurts the country? Or vice-versa? At this point in time, the country is in pretty good shape, so I am leaning towards pleasing my base and lobbies. This can (and probably will) change in the future, but I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Umbrella
02-23-2023, 02:48 PM
The scripted event phase was not good for my faction. Most of the events are for flavor, and also provide/remove points from factions. For example, Radio City Music Hall opening gives points to who controls the governor of NY. From an interesting worldwide standpoint, Stalin has gained control in the USSR, Hitler has risen to power, burned the Reichstag, and is restricting rights of Jewish citizens in Germany. He is moving a bit faster than he did historically. Spain has deposed their king and become a republic.
The only scripted event needing a decision was the option to purchase Iceland to use as a military base. Hoover chose not to, which really hurt me as an expansionist faction. The other playtesters were unhappy as well, as we wanted to go ahistorical and see if Iceland would become a state.
As a result, I was the only faction who ended up losing points in this phase, dropping me to 2nd place in the Democratic party. In addition, moderate enthusiasm shift towards the Republicans. All in all, a bad phase for me.
The next phase will be the internal affairs phase. During this phase, the first thing that will happen is lingering effects. Meters will move based on long term legislation, strength of the cabinet, as well as certain events with lingering effects.
After that will come governor actions. Governors can try and implement state legislation. What they can propose depends on a ton of different variables, and their success depends on their governing skill. I only have three governors, and they are all pretty terrible, so I'm not expecting much luck.
The final step of the internal affairs phase is Supreme Court decisions. As of now, this is automated based on the ideologies of the justices, but there is discussion that in the computer game, there will be an option to let the players vote for their justices.
Umbrella
02-24-2023, 07:45 AM
For the lingering phase, our military prep increased, which takes us out of crisis mode. Honest government decreased, and planet health increased. The planet health increase is annoying because now one of the effects of the meter is liberals get a boost in the next election. If it stayed put, moderates would have gotten the boost.
I forgot to mention a couple of things that happen in the governor section of this phase. First, a random governor is chosen from each party, and that state holds the national convention. That governor then chooses delegates. This section looked tedious, and I'm glad I wasn't selected. Second, any player with a governor of a state which is leading in an industry gets points. None of mine are, so nothing for me.
For my governor actions, I used Billy Adams (CO) to improve the natural gas industry. If he's successful, Colorado will be the industry leader. John E Erickson (MT) will put emphasis on public schooling. As the Schoolbook Liberals, I feel this should be done. The only effect this has is giving me points. Finally, William Bulow (SD) will try to improve the high tech industry. No state has this industry yet, so I'm not 100% sure this is legal, but I didn't see anything in the rules preventing it.
As mentioned in the previous post, the success of these actions are based on the governing skill of the governors, and mine are all pretty low, so it's likely none of these will be successful.
Umbrella
02-25-2023, 10:18 AM
None of my governors were successful, and none of the Supreme Court cases fired.
There is a chance that there could be some federal interference on some of the governor actions, but we haven't got to that part yet. This doesn't affect me, so I'm patiently waiting for the next phase. Also, I'm waiting for final points scored on this phase, but once again, I had another phase that didn't score well for me.
The next phase is where legislation happens. There are all kinds of rules and restrictions on this, but here's the big picture. A set number of bills can be introduced. The state of the meters will affect this number. Once that is determined, the congressmen who can introduce bills are determined. The higher your legislative skill and certain traits, the better your chance. Members of the president's party also have a slight advantage. There are also rules with crises (I think that is the plural of crisis) which can allow more bills to be introduced, but we don't currently have any. There are also rules which can allow leaders in congress to change some of these proposals.
Once bills are introduced, they go to the appropriate committee. Once in committee, the committee members vote whether to advance. Certain traits by committee members can also be used to try and flip votes. Chairs of committees also have the ability to block some of these bills if their legislative power is high enough.
Once all the bills get through committee, the committee chair can choose if/how to package the bills. However, if the ranking member has certain traits and stats, they can influence the packaging. I have two ranking members, so this could be something I do.
Once bills are packaged, they then go to the house for a vote, and if it gets through the house, then goes to the senate. There are rules which can make a congressman vote against your wishes if they have certain traits. If it gets through congress, then it goes to the president who can veto. If vetoed, then it goes back to see if the veto gets overridden.
The results of any legislation passed can affect many things, such as the meters, election results, industry, etc. It could potentially affect the lingering phase next time around. It also gives/removes points for factions, depending on which cards they hold.
For my guys, I will focus on points since there are no ongoing crises to deal with. But I have to see if any of my guys get chosen to propose bills first.
Izulde
02-25-2023, 07:17 PM
Intriguing. Too bad about Iceland. That would have been awesome
Umbrella
02-26-2023, 02:56 PM
I didn't get any points in the previous phase. The RNG is not in my favor lately. The odds of me having NOBODY pick a proposal was extremely small, and yet, it happened. Now I have to wait for everyone else to propose, and see if perhaps one of my ranking members has something to do.
Umbrella
02-28-2023, 06:38 PM
Legislation has been sent to committee. Four bills have been pushed through committee already, due to powers of various committee chairmen. 18 more are still being voted on. Nothing has been packaged yet, but the bills that have already made it through are:
Expand Income Tax Loopholes: Bad for me, because it hurts Welfare.
Criminalize Advocating Overthrowing the US Government by Force of Violence: Good for me, because it helps Moderates.
Subsidize the Costs of Raising and Selling Products from Farms: Doesn't affect me immediately, but it would help politicians from agricultural states if I vote for it.
Set Average Tariff Rate to 40%: Bad for me, because it hurts Free Trade.
Currently, I'm doing terrible in the scoring. I'm in 8th out of the 10 factions, ahead of only the far right factions in both parties. The legislation could have a big impact on this though.
Umbrella
03-06-2023, 08:58 AM
This is still going, albeit very slowly. Right now, the bills have been released from committee and packaged, and sent to the chambers of congress for voting. I had one ranking committee member eligible to change packaging, but only one piece of legislation came out of that committee, so no action from me.
The bills have been voted on in both the house and the senate. There is a mechanism to filibuster a bill, depending on certain traits. None of my guys were allowed, but another player did. However, there is also a mechanism to invoke cloture under certain conditions, which was used to defeat the filibuster. The next step involves trying to sway votes. For the first time in a while, I have politicians with the correct traits to do something. However, the votes were incredibly one-sided, so even if I were to flip some voters, it wouldn't make a difference. Therefore, I declined to take this action.
The bills that passed will now go to the president to either sign or veto. I don't think any will get vetoed since they passed with enough votes to override the veto. Once the bills are signed into law, I will list the ones that made it. However, before that happens, we move on to the next phase, foreign affairs. This mostly involves ambassadors, of which I have none, and wars, which we aren't involved in right now, so this phase should go fairly quick.
The phase after foreign affairs is the executive phase. As you probably guessed, this is where the president actions occur. This will be another slow phase for me.
Umbrella
03-06-2023, 11:25 AM
Here are the bills. They all passed or failed overwhelmingly.
S.1 (Passed House, Passed Senate)
Create Federal Farm Board
Require that most positions within the federal government are awarded on merit rather than on party loyalty
Create a Land Grant for Agricultural Colleges
I voted AYE for this. None of these laws will impact my score, but voting AYE helps my congressmen from agricultural states.
S.2 (Passed House, Passed Senate)
Establish a system of Federal Loans to Local Government
Expand income tax loopholes
I voted NAY on this one. The federal loans help me, but the income tax loopholes hurts me more.
S.3 (Failed House)
Increase Punishments for Violating Prohibition
I voted AYE, solely because the passage of this hurts the other party in the next election.
S.4 (Passed House, Passed Senate)
Criminalize Advocating Overthrowing the US Government by Force or Violence
An easy AYE vote. Not only does this help my faction's score, in principle this should be law.
H.1 (Passed House, Passed Senate)
Create the Executive Office of the President to Increase the Agencies and Workforce of the Executive Branch
This was an overwhelming AYE for me. It scores for moderates, expansionists, and the public has a little backlash against the other party for strengthening their power.
H.2 (Failed House)
Ban Teaching of Evolution
Another easy vote for me. As the school book liberal faction, I had to vote NAY. Honestly, I was surprised this made it out of committee.
H.3 (Failed House)
Subsidize the Costs of Raising and Selling Products from Farms
I voted AYE for the same reason I voted AYE on the other farm bill. I'm a little surprised the other one passed easily, but this one failed.
H.4 (Passed House, Passed Senate)
Expand benefits for veterans, most notably benefits towards education, training, housing, and for starting businesses
I like when the game reasons coincide with my personal feelings. Moderates like this, so an easy AYE.
H.5 (Passed House, Passed Senate)
Set Average Tariff Rate to 40%
Ban US Employers from Bringing in Immigrants for Contract Work
Free trade doesn't like the tariff, so I voted NAY.
H.6 (Passed House, Passed Senate)
Federal Criminalization of Hard Drugs
Ban Child Labor in Industries with High Injury Rate
The drug law is popular with moderates. Even though banning child labor helps the other party, I still voted AYE.
Umbrella
03-07-2023, 08:46 AM
Ambassadors went out and did their things. To be honest, this section is rather uninteresting to me. Our relationship with Japan, Russia, and Germany improved, our relations with France worsened, and our budget got a little worse through some trade deals that didn't go well.
This section will get more interesting if/when WW2 breaks out, but for now, it's just ambassador actions, and those are somewhat limited. Now the executive phase begins.
Umbrella
03-07-2023, 10:31 AM
H.5 (Passed House, Passed Senate)
Set Average Tariff Rate to 40%
Ban US Employers from Bringing in Immigrants for Contract Work
Free trade doesn't like the tariff, so I voted NAY.
Interestingly, this was the only bill that got vetoed. It passed easily in congress, but it will have to go back for an override vote. My senators that have skills to try and flip votes will use them, but it passed with about 93% in the house, and almost 80% in the senate, so I don't think it will help much even if successful. But perhaps the president is working on something within his party to try and prevent the override.
Umbrella
03-09-2023, 12:44 PM
The scoring for the legislation has been completed, and it was an absolute bloodbath for the Republicans. It turns out HR6 gives a penalty to any politician from a manufacturing state, which is dominated by the Republicans. HR5 would have given a bonus to those same politicians, but the veto was upheld. Not only that but moderates loved these new laws, so I ended up with the most points from legislation, by quite a large margin. It's obvious none of us understood the implications of the scoring from state industries.
The downside of moderates liking the new legislation is since the Republicans hold both chambers of congress and the presidency, moderate voters are giving the credit to Republicans, which will hurt me in the upcoming midterm elections.
However, as crazy as it sounds, I'm now the overall #1 scoring faction. This will have some weird implications down the road.
Umbrella
03-09-2023, 01:00 PM
The more I think about it, the more nuanced this game is than appears at first glance. The law which bans child labor hurts manufacturing. So now a politician from a manufacturing state has to decide between the moral issue, and what is best for his state. Just like in real politics, sometimes making the "right" decision will hurt you, and in this case, the Republicans got slaughtered from a score standpoint.
Also, specifically in my case, laws which please the moderates while the other party is in power will hurt me politically. So do I do what I can to help my base, or do I obstruct until we gain power, and then try and pass these laws? I opted for the former, but we'll see if that hurts me too much in the next election.
I really like this delicate balance, and I'm not experienced enough with the game to know if there's a best way to act.
Umbrella
03-10-2023, 01:45 PM
Now that the legislative phase is complete, we move on to presidential actions. Hoover chose to tour America's farmlands, and also adopt a strict immigration policy. These actions turned out to be beneficial to me. While the farmland tour will help him in those states come election time, I still have a lot of politicians from agricultural states, so my score increased by quite a bit. Also, his immigration policy affected the budget slightly, and now moderates are happy with the budget, giving me a slight election boost. I didn't have any negatives this time, so a good turn.
The next step is to replace retiring Supreme Court justice Oliver Wendall Holmes. Hoover nominated Harold Hitz Burton from his own faction. Burton was also a justice in real life. The vote is ongoing, but Burton is a moderate, not controversial, and harmonious, so he should get Senate confirmation pretty easily.
Once that is complete, the next phase will be the 1930 midterm elections. This phase looks very complicated, so we'll see how bad I screw this up. I'm sure I will realize how to determine what candidates I should run in what elections after the fact. Just going through all these phases makes me realize my original draft strategy was pretty much non-existent. I have a much better idea how I will proceed for the next draft.
Umbrella
03-11-2023, 12:04 PM
Burton was confirmed. On to elections! This part is pretty extensive, but here is who I am running. An "i" means incumbent. Not all governor and senate races are this midterm, but all representatives are.
Governors
Effiegene Locke Wingo -AR
Billy Adams (i) - CO
Francis T Maloney - CT
James Michael Curley - MA
Charles Fletcher Johnson - ME
Woodbridge N Ferris - MI
Stephen M Young - OH
Albert Schmedemann - WI
With the exception of Wingo, Adams, Curley, and Young. I should lose all of these handily, if I even get out of the primaries. There is a possible penalty to future elections if you lose a general election, but these are old candidates who I don't have any plans for. If I can steal a win, that would be great.
The other candidates are trickier. Wingo is a solid candidate, but she's a woman, and the AR field is really strong from the Democrats side. If she can get through the primary, I think she has a shot. Adams is in a state that is leaning Republican and not fond of moderates right now, but he is the incumbent, so there's a chance. An incumbent who loses causes a hefty points loss, so I'm worried about this one. Curley is a real wild card. He's catholic, controversial, and unlikeable. He could win by a landslide, lose by a landslide, or anything in between and I wouldn't be surprised. Finally, Young is a great candidate, probably the best in the field, so he has a shot at unseating the incumbent.
Senators
Hugo Black (i) - AL
Teller Ammons - CO
Bert H Miller - ID
Leo Kocialkowski - IL
M M Logan -KY
Charles Sumner Hamlin - MA
Sam V Stewart - MT
Edwin Y Webb - NC
John Morrow - NM
John M O'Connell - RI
Daniel Roper - SC
Lawrence Tyson (i) - TN
Harley Kilgore - WV
The non-incumbent candidates are long shots, but I didn't run anyone who I'm worried about getting a penalty for a loss. For both the incumbent and non-incumbent southern candidates, getting through the primaries will be difficult because the south is pretty far right wing right now. However, if I can survive the primaries down south, I have a real good chance of winning in the general election. If you remember, Hamlin is the protoge of my crazy kingmaker Curley (who's running for governor), so he gets a bonus because of that, even though he's not a great candidate.
Representatives
Oscar Underwood - AL1
William B Bankhead - AL2
Otis Wingo (i) - AR1
John R Murdock - AZ1
Jerry Voorhis - CA1
William Gibbs McAdoo - CA2
Clarence Lea (i) - CA3
Edwin C Johnson - CO1
Allen Frear Jr - DE1
Nathan P Bryan - FL1
Robert Ramspeck - GA2
William C Adamson - GA3
William Dieterich - IL3
Stanely H Kuntz (i) - IL5
Scott W Lucas - IL6
Sherman Minton - IN1
Arthur H Greenwood - IN2
Henry Schricker - IN3
Rene L De Rouen (i) - LA1
Riley J Wilson (i) - LA2
William P Connery Jr - MA2
A S J Carnahan - MO1
Harry S Truman - MO2
John C B Ehringhaus - NC1
Robert L Doughton - NC2
Raymond B Stevens - NH1
A Harry Moore - NJ1
William H Smathers - NJ2
George Silzer - NJ3
John E Miles - NM1
Key Pittman - NV1
Frazier Reams - OH2
Frank Lausche - OH4
Francis J Myers - PA2
John J O'Connor - RI1
John J McSwain (i) - SC1
Olin D Johnston - SC2
Cordell Hull (i) - TN1
Finis J Garrett - TN2
James Allred - TX1
Sam Rayburn (i) - TX2
Lee O'Daniel - TX3
Elbert D Thomas - UT1
House elections are a little different. First, there is no penalty for losing, unless you're an incumbent, so I ran everywhere I was eligible. Secondly, different seats within states can have different biases towards Democrats or Republicans. Thirdly, unlike senators and governors, there isn't a one-to-one correlation between how many representatives there really were, and how many there are in the game. For example, there were 435 house seats in 1930, but in the game, there are only 112. This is just to reduce the complexity. However, there is a ratio that matches real life. So California will have way more seats than Wyoming.
My only real goal in the house is to keep my incumbents in office, which is a little dicey, because there are a lot of good Democratic candidates in the south, and Lea's seat is in a heavily red area. I also really want to get Truman's career moving since he has HUGE potential to be a presidential star. I've got a message out to one of the other players trying to talk him into not running against Truman in exchange for me removing one of my candidates against him, so the list above could potentially change. O'Connor is interesting, because he is the politician I moved to RI from NY earlier, and got a carpetbagger penalty. He does have celebrity status though, so he's like this election's version of Dr. Oz.
Umbrella
03-13-2023, 09:16 PM
Governor elections are complete. I didn't do too bad. All of my candidates won their primary except Wingo, who barely lost, and Schmedemenn. Wingo losing a close one hurt, because there wasn't a Republic candidate, so she would have been the first woman governor of Arkansas had she won.
General elections weren't as kind. Only Adams and Young won. I thought Curley had a chance, but he lost a fairly close race. If I could only have two winners though, Adams and Young were the ones I wanted. Adams improved his governing skill with the win.
The only penalty I got was Maloney, so all in all, not too bad. I kept my incumbent, picked up one governor, and scored some points.
Chas in Cinti
03-14-2023, 10:09 AM
I'm enjoying this... have no idea what's going on... but enjoying following along nonetheless... :)
Izulde
03-14-2023, 10:11 AM
Can't wait for this to be SP
Umbrella
03-14-2023, 04:22 PM
I'm enjoying this... have no idea what's going on... but enjoying following along nonetheless... :)
Thanks! I thought this game might appeal to this message board. In hindsight, I probably should have linked to the kickstarter page for the game. It gives more info, and has some examples of what some of the visuals may look like in the computer version.
Kickstarter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/966309371/a-more-perfect-union-0)
But feel free to ask questions, and I'll try and answer best I can. I'm being purposefully vague on some of the details in the rules, as one of the conditions for me being approved as a playtester involves not spilling too much info.
I realized I made a rather major error. I misunderstood how the governor elections worked, and I didn't run my candidates correctly. In other words, I had two incumbents that didn't run for re-election. So instead of picking up one governor spot, I actually lost a spot. I'm also pretty sure I had a great candidate that would have won in New Jersey, but didn't run him. :banghead: But even with my screw up, the Democrats are doing really well so far. By my count we picked up eight states. This is encouraging for the senate and houses.
Still waiting on senate elections. The election phase will take forever, since we have someone doing all of the rolls for every primary and general election for every race. It's a very complicated method, and is incredibly time consuming to do it by hand. The House elections will take even longer.
After the elections are done, the retirement phase happens. People voted out of office might retire, based on their age and the office they were removed from. Also, retirements for older unemployed politicians can happen. Finally, old politicians that don't retire can have a reduction in their abilities. And that's the end of the first round. We will then start over and do from 1930-1932. The early steps will play a bit differently since all factions have leaders now.
On a side note, in another one of the playtests, something interesting happened. Richard Taylor, father of president Zachary Taylor, died during a battle in the Revolutionary War. As a result, Zachary Taylor was never born, and will not be in their game. I didn't realize there is a dynasty rule, where if someone dies young, any of their children born after the date of death don't exist, and then their children won't exist, and so on. I thought that was pretty cool.
Umbrella
03-14-2023, 04:37 PM
Can't wait for this to be SP
I assume SP means single player? That's how I assume the majority of players will play, including me. I've seen the AI rules, and so far in the playtests I've been following, it's done a decent job. In my playtest, each party has one faction controlled by the AI. Obviously, if you wanted to min/max everything, you could probably perform stronger than the AI, who does have some unpredictability programmed in.
Speaking of min/maxing, I've been giving some thought about if I should replace my faction leader next turn. If I was truly trying to get the absolute best person, House Minority Whip Sam Rayburn looks to be the strongest for me. But part of the fun for me is trying to create my own alternate history, and I'm trying to make Carl Hayden president someday. So far, my efforts haven't been great. Part of the problem is to run for president, you need to have at least 1 command point, and those are hard to get. Of course, Hayden doesn't have any. As a comparison, Truman has 5, which is the highest rating. If I was playing smart, I would be working harder to make Truman president. But we'll see how it all plays out.
Izulde
03-14-2023, 06:26 PM
Yep, single player. Still have the 0.1.2. build where the only thing you can do is draft.
Umbrella
03-14-2023, 06:49 PM
Yep, single player. Still have the 0.1.2. build where the only thing you can do is draft.
Yeah, and even the draft isn't done correctly. All it really does is give an idea of what a candidate card looks like. I'm still anxious for the next release also, although from what I understand, they are currently working on the faction cards. I don't know if the coding is being done in game sequence order or not, but it feels like it is still a while away from a beta release.
I took a look at how the AI factions were doing in our game just out of curiosity. The highest scoring faction is one of the AI factions. This could still change a lot with the elections, but they definitely aren't struggling. I'm the least experienced playtester, and I'm in second. Granted, I've been playing for score, so not a shock. That may not be the best long term strategy, but it's what I'm going with for now.
Umbrella
03-15-2023, 12:16 AM
Senate primaries are done.
Hugo Black (AL-i) Won a tight primary. No Republican candidate, so he'll retain his seat.
Teller Ammons (CO) Got crushed.
Bert H Miller (ID) Lost a tighter than expected race.
Leo Kocialkowski (IL) Won the primary in a monster upset.
M M Logan (KY) Barely lost. Bummer, because I thought he had a good shot.
Charles Sumner Hamlin (MA) The protégé of crazy Curley gets the win.
Sam V Stewart (MT) Not a factor, finished last.
Edwin Y Webb (NC) Lost a close race in a very crowded primary.
John Morrow (NM) Did better than I thought he would, but still finished 2nd.
John M O'Connell (RI) Another very close loss.
Daniel Roper (SC) Got destroyed.
Kenneth McKeller (TN-i) Lost a very tight race. This one will hurt since he's an incumbent who lost in the primary.
Harley Kilgore (WV) Won an extremely close race.
Kocialkowski and Hamlin will be underdogs, but the Republican incumbent in both races was defeated in the primary, so they have a chance. I expected nothing from Kocialkowski, so this would be a very pleasant surprise if he can win. Kilgore is going up against an incumbent, but West Virginia is leaning blue right now, so this race should be very even.
Umbrella
03-15-2023, 11:53 AM
The blue wave continues. After picking up 8 governor seats in the midterms, by my count we've picked up 10 senate seats, and for now, control the senate 48-47. However, there is an open seat in Pennsylvania that isn't accounted for, and the governor can choose to fill it, or leave it vacant. The newly elected governor of PA is a Democrat, so either way, we will retain control of the senate.
For my faction, Kocialkowski won by the thinnest of margins, and Hamlin and Kilgore both rode the blue wave to victories as well. I now have gained a net of two more senators, although losing as an incumbent means even with that, my net score for senate elections will be negative.
House results will be next, and I fully expect the blue wave to continue. Whether it is enough to gain control of the house remains to be seen.
ETA: I forgot to mention that for winning, Black picked up +1 legislative ability, and Kilgore and Kocialkowski gained +1 admin ability. Unfortunately, Hamlin didn't get anything. Also, from a scoring standpoint, Hamlin will get double points for being a protégé, and since we took the Senate, Hayden will get points for being the Senate Minority Leader for outperforming the opposition.
Umbrella
03-16-2023, 10:04 AM
Primaries are done for the house.
Oscar Underwood - AL1 - Barely lost to the incumbent.
William B Bankhead - AL2 - Another very close loss to the incumbent.
Otis Wingo (i) - AR1 - Won the primary. No republican opponent, so will reatin his seat.
John R Murdock - AZ1 - Got destroyed.
Jerry Voorhis - CA1 - Finished last.
William Gibbs McAdoo - CA2 - Lost, and this one is a bummer. He's such a good politician, but I can't find a spot for him.
Clarence Lea (i) - CA3 - Unopposed in the primary. He's in a red district, so this will be a tough general election.
Edwin C Johnson - CO1 - Distant second.
Allen Frear Jr - DE1 - Got crushed.
Nathan P Bryan - FL1 - Nowhere close to winning.
Robert Ramspeck - GA2 - Barely lost.
William C Adamson - GA3 - Finished third in a two man race.
William Dieterich - IL3 - Beat Richard Daley to advance.
Stanely H Kuntz (i) - IL5 - Unopposed in the primary.
Scott W Lucas - IL6 - Also unopposed in the primary.
Sherman Minton - IN1 - Won the primary to get the honor of being destroyed in the general.
Arthur H Greenwood - IN2 - Finished last.
Henry Schricker - IN3 - Easy win, but Indiana is red, so not a lot of hope.
Rene L De Rouen (i) - LA1 - Fought off the Long machine to eke out a win.
Riley J Wilson (i) - LA2 - See above, but won easily.
William P Connery Jr - MA2 - Unopposed in the primary.
A S J Carnahan - MO1 - Unopposed in the primary.
Harry S Truman - MO2 - Won a very close election, and with no republican candidate for this seat, will begin his political career as a representative from Missouri.
A S J Carnahan - MO3 - Ran unopposed in the primary.
John C B Ehringhaus - NC1 - Lost easily to the incumbent.
Robert L Doughton - NC2 - Finished last in a very crowded primary.
Raymond B Stevens - NH1 - Ran unopposed in a very red district.
A Harry Moore - NJ1 - Almost unseated the incumbent, but barely lost.
William H Smathers - NJ2 - Ran unopposed in the primary.
George Silzer - NJ3 - Ran unopposed in the primary.
John E Miles - NM1 - Ran unopposed in the primary.
Key Pittman - NV1 - Lost a very close race to McCarren, who the airport is named after.
Frazier Reams - OH2 - Lost in a tightly contested primary.
Frank Lausche - OH4 - One of the many candidates to get beaten soundly.
Francis J Myers - PA2 - Snuck out a win in a hotly contested seat.
John J O'Connor - RI1 - Got absolutely destroyed. I thought he would do a lot better.
John J McSwain (i) - SC1 - My first incumbent to lose. And just barely. :banghead:
Olin D Johnston - SC2 - Lost easily.
Cordell Hull (i) - TN1 - Won soundly.
Finis J Garrett - TN2 - The top two candidates were neck and neck. He was a distant third.
James Allred - TX1 - Almost pulled off the upset against the incumbent, but came up just short.
Sam Rayburn (i) - TX2 - Easy win
Lee O'Daniel - TX3 - The most contested seat in this election. Finished a very close second. The incumbent finished fourth.
Elbert D Thomas - UT1 - I really thought he had a good chance, but finished a distant second.
We had some good results, but losing as an incumbent hurts. Moderates in the south right now are going to struggle, so I need to decide if I want to try and shift some ideologies more conservative next time around. I do have 19 candidates advance to the general election, so we'll see how many of them can win.
JonInMiddleGA
03-16-2023, 01:25 PM
On a side note, in another one of the playtests, something interesting happened. Richard Taylor, father of president Zachary Taylor, died during a battle in the Revolutionary War. As a result, Zachary Taylor was never born, and will not be in their game. I didn't realize there is a dynasty rule, where if someone dies young, any of their children born after the date of death don't exist, and then their children won't exist, and so on. I thought that was pretty cool.
Cool mechanic, nice for replayability and alt-history but it prompts a question:
Is there a mechcanism (even as a future feature) to work the same way in reverse? For example, Tad Lincoln lives, has children, grandchildren, etc.
Otherwise there's wouldn't there besomething reducing the political family dynasty chances but nothing augmenting them, creating a net reduction of those?
Young Drachma
03-16-2023, 02:07 PM
ooh interesting! I love President Forever, et. al. so this is rad.
Izulde
03-16-2023, 02:37 PM
Cool mechanic, nice for replayability and alt-history but it prompts a question:
Is there a mechcanism (even as a future feature) to work the same way in reverse? For example, Tad Lincoln lives, has children, grandchildren, etc.
Otherwise there's wouldn't there besomething reducing the political family dynasty chances but nothing augmenting them, creating a net reduction of those?
I had the same question, though my mind jumped to Bobby Kennedy as the first example
Umbrella
03-16-2023, 03:33 PM
Cool mechanic, nice for replayability and alt-history but it prompts a question:
Is there a mechcanism (even as a future feature) to work the same way in reverse? For example, Tad Lincoln lives, has children, grandchildren, etc.
Otherwise there's wouldn't there besomething reducing the political family dynasty chances but nothing augmenting them, creating a net reduction of those?
I don't know about Tad Lincoln, but I do know there are some alt-history candidates in the game. To be honest, I'm not sure how the dynasty rules work, as I just realized it not long ago. I'll ask the designer and see. But I suspect that would be an awful lot of work. I do think it's an interesting question though.
ETA: About Bobby Kennedy, he was a real candidate, so I'm pretty certain he is in the game. One of the traits a politician can have is frail. This trait is associated with politicians that historically died young. When the death and retirement phase comes around, candidates with frail have a higher chance of dying. One thing I don't agree with is that politicians that were killed, as opposed to dying naturally, seem the frail trait. I don't know if this is 100% true since I don't have access to the master file with all politicians, but I just looked at Huey Long, who was shot and killed in his 40's, and he does have the frail trait. But it's not my game, so not my decision to make.
Umbrella
03-16-2023, 03:51 PM
Our game is on a (hopefully very short) pause due to a discussion that I brought up. The game is broken into different historical eras. Each of these eras have different biases. For example, Arizona in its early years was slightly liberal, became a conservative hotbed in the 60's, and now is shifting more purple. The game takes these historical trends into account.
In our specific case, for our era, the trends were definitely very blue, and the game reflects that. However, the reason for these trends was the great depression and tanking of the economy. Republicans controlled everything when that happened, and ended up paying for it politically. So far, so good. But in our playtest, the depression hasn't happened yet. The economy is solid, quality of life is good. So it doesn't make sense that the republicans are getting killed in this midterm.
For our playtest, I don't think we're going to change anything, but it has opened up a discussion about how the historical era biases should be implemented.
Umbrella
03-17-2023, 09:01 AM
House elections are complete! Here are my results:
Otis Wingo (AR-i) - Won unopposed.
Clarence Lea (CA-i) - Ended up winning easily.
William Dieterich (IL) - Barely lost to the incumbent.
Stanley H Kunz (IL-i) - Barely won.
Scott W Lucas (IL) - Wins, unseating an incumbent.
Sherman Minton (IN) - Eked out a urprising win, unseating the incumbent.
Henry Schricker (IN) - Another surprise win in Indiana, and another incumbent gone.
Rene L De Rouoen (LA-i) - No opponent in general.
Riley J Wilson (LA-i) - Another unopposed victory.
William P Connery Jr (MA) - Almost unseated the incumbent, but fell short by the thinnest of margins.
Harry S Truman (MO) - Won unopposed.
A S J Carnahan (MO) - Won easily.
Raymond B Stevens (NH) - Not surprising, lost easily.
William H Smathers (NJ) - Barely lost to the incumbent.
George Silzer (NJ) - Won easily.
John E Miles (NM) - Won easily.
Francis J Myers (PA) - Unseated the incumbent with a surprisingly easy win.
Cordell Hull (TN-i) - Won in a tighter than expected race.
Sam Rayburn (TX-i) - Won unopposed.
Another set of good results. I picked up eight seats. In this game, 1 seat does not equal one vote. As I mentioned earlier, there is a ratio of seats so we don't have hundreds of politicians and elections every 2 years. There's a formula that calculates how many votes you have. It hasn't been updated yet, and I'm too lazy right now to manually go calculate it. Once that's done, I'll tell you how many votes I picked up.
I need to figure out what to do about Hull. He's an absolute stud, but his politics are not in line with what Tennessee likes, so his election results are always tight. In real life, he was a long term secretary of state, and so if the Democrats can win the 1932 presidency, I think I need to work on getting him in the cabinet.
I did end up getting bonus points because I have the Senate Minority Leader (Hayden) and House Minority Leader (Hull), and we did better in the elections than the Republicans. I don't know yet if we have taken control of the house. The scores for the house elections haven't been updated yet either, so I don't know the final scores yet for this half term. I do know our party will be the leading scoring party quite easily. There is a mechanic that if the party with the highest score also has the faction with the lowest score, then there is a score penalty to that party. It's an interesting rule, designed to force the factions to try to work together when they are in charge. This shouldn't come into play for us this turn though.
Next step is the end of the half term. We'll have to see if Kenneth McKeller retires from politics after losing his senate seat. Also, Woodbridge Ferris, who lost the governors race in Michigan, is old enough that he has a high chance of retiring. I think everyone else is safe.
Izulde
03-17-2023, 12:19 PM
Can you have Hull move to another state that's more friendly to his politics?
Umbrella
03-17-2023, 05:36 PM
Can you have Hull move to another state that's more friendly to his politics?
Unfortunately no, for a couple of reasons. First, he's holding office as a rep from Tennessee, so he couldn't go to another state because of that. Second, he doesn't have an alternate state. And finally, the last method would be if he was in an "overpopulated" state. This mechanic is in there in case of weird situations, probably due to deaths or retirements, where a state loses so many politicians that all the offices can't be filled, and other states have so many that the politicians there can't do as much. So an overpopulated state isn't referring the the population of the state, it's referring to the amount of politicians for that state. At this point, the only states that qualify as overpopulated are New York and Pennsylvania.
A different possibility is to try and shift his ideology more conservative. But that comes with its own risks of getting the flip-flopper trait. Also, right now, conservatives are a strong lean red, so while this would help tremendously in the primaries, it would hurt in the general. Still, I'm considering taking the chance, since the Republicans don't have many candidates in Tennessee.
Umbrella
03-17-2023, 11:44 PM
The final counts are in. I was mistaken in the senate, we ended up having a 48-48 tie, so we didn't get control. In the house, we ended up with a dominant 301-138 tally. For governors, it is also tied 24-24.
For the final score of this round, the Democrats dominated the Republicans 14,550-1,125. I'm currently tied for third.
After aging and retirements, we start the next two-year term. The draft is only held every four years, so we'll start with politician relocations. I don't think I'm going to move any, but I'm definitely doing ideology shifts, which will be the next decision I have to make.
Umbrella
03-18-2023, 09:44 AM
I was going through the election results to see if there were any other interesting tidbits. First thing I noticed was the Speaker of the House, Fiorella La Guardia, didn't run for re-election. We were getting a new speaker anyways since we now control the house.
And speaking of which, I was looking into the rules for the Speaker election, and if I'm interpreting the rules correctly, I have the only two candidates eligible to run for both Speaker and House Majority Leader. If so, I've decided Sam Rayburn will be Speaker, and Cordell Hull will be House Majority Leader. My reasons are that the Speaker has a chance of getting the coveted kingmaker trait, which Hull already has. Also, Rayburn's seat is safer than Hull's, and having a Speaker lose an election is an absolute killer on the score.
Unfortunately, the Republicans still control the senate. This one will be trickier to keep Hayden in the Senate Minority Leader position. There are only three eligible candidates; Hayden, Senate Minority Whip Robert Wagner, and my nemesis Huey Long. Long is definitely positioning himself for a presidential run, and will pull out all the stops to win. Since I should control the house, I plan on offering juicy committee leadership positions to the other factions in exchange for their votes for Senate Minority leader. All's fair in love, war, and politics.
Umbrella
03-18-2023, 11:49 PM
Kenneth McKeller did indeed retire from politics after losing his senate seat. Woodbridge N Ferris also retired due to old age.
For ideology shifts, I am taking a gamble. I can try and shift four politicians, and I decided to do it with three that are already holding office. We'll see if this blows up in my face. All shifts are from moderate to liberal.
Henry F Ashurst, senator from Arizona
John R Murdock
George Silzer, representative from New Jersey
John E Miles, representative from New Mexico
I want Silzer and Miles to run for governor next election, as long as they don't get a flip flopper penalty. The country is very pro-liberal right now, and I'm hoping it doesn't change much.
Umbrella
03-20-2023, 09:29 AM
Ashurst and Silzer both succeeded with their conversions and are now liberals. In addition, Silzer gained the pliable trait. Nobody got flip-flopper though.
In hindsight, this might have been a mistake. As part of politician conversions, a faction leader who is liberal can try and convert any liberal politician in the same party to their faction, as long as that politician is pliable. Silzer now has pliable, and Ashurst already did, so I might have screwed myself and end up losing one or both of them to the liberal faction. We'll see if he goes after these guys. I'm still learning the game as well, so mistakes will be made.
In addition, last politician conversion phase, Hoover's faction tried to convert a couple of my guys to republican. Only party leaders can do that, and the politician in question has to be marked for "party flip". I have four politicians that meet that criteria, and they are all pretty good. They are Admiral Chester Nimitz, George Marshall (WW2 general of Marshall plan fame), James Forrestall (IRL the first secretary of defense) and Wendell Wilkie, one of the few guys I have who is a potential presidential candidate. Last turn he tried to take Marshall and Wilkie, but was unsuccessful. I'm guessing he will make a run at a couple of my guys again.
There are only 3 politicians eligible for me to try and convert to my party, and none of them are particularly useful to me. There is a small chance of the politician gaining some traits if the conversion is unsuccessful, so I haven't decided yet if I want to take that chance. Honestly, I'm more worried about my guys leaving than getting someone else.
Umbrella
03-20-2023, 01:54 PM
For the conversion phase, I am attempting to convert Hattie Wyatt Caraway (AR) from the AI faction. In real life she was the first woman to be elected and serve a full term as senator. If successful, I will have two potentially powerful women from Arkansas.
Two of my guys are getting being attempted to switch factions: William Gibbs McAdoo, and NM Rep John E Miles. McAdoo is a pretty good politician, but I just can't find the right spot for him in my faction. If I lose Miles, I'm not going to be happy.
Also, since Cordell Hull gained the kingmaker trait last term, I can assign a protégé for him now. I chose Gordon Browning. In real life, Browning was governor of Tennessee for several terms, and also served as a US Rep, and later was a civil affairs advisor for Eisenhower.
Umbrella
03-21-2023, 07:25 PM
I've been asked to participate in another playtest, this one happening during reconstruction, to help test the newly revamped reconstruction rules. Would anyone be interested in me doing another thread for that one?
Izulde
03-21-2023, 09:39 PM
I've been asked to participate in another playtest, this one happening during reconstruction, to help test the newly revamped reconstruction rules. Would anyone be interested in me doing another thread for that one?
Absolutely
Chas in Cinti
03-22-2023, 08:28 AM
I've been asked to participate in another playtest, this one happening during reconstruction, to help test the newly revamped reconstruction rules. Would anyone be interested in me doing another thread for that one?
For sure!
Umbrella
03-22-2023, 09:16 AM
The conversions stage was a good news/bad news situation. I was able to successfully convert Hattie Wyatt Caraway to my faction, but William Gibbs McAdoo left to join the liberal faction.
I didn't initially realize what happened. The guy who is in charge of the liberal faction is probably the #2 guy (behind the lead designer) in terms of the game development, and he made a rather interesting move. During the ideology shift, he changed his faction leader from liberal to moderate. During the conversion phase, you can only target politicians whose ideology match your faction leader. With that move, suddenly I had several politicians that could be targeted. It's a strategy I would have never considered, and even though it hurt me, I have to admit it is pretty genius. I was worried about losing Ashurst, but with his successful switch to liberal, he was now safe because of this. The down side to what he did is now he will have to select a new faction leader that matches his faction's ideology in the next phase.
My new protégé, Gordon Browning, increased his admin skill, and gained foreign affairs expertise and efficient. Efficient is one of the better traits to have, so I'm pretty happy about that. He's kind of a jack of all trades, master of none guy right now, so I still don't know what I should do with him.
The last part of this phase is getting the faction cards assigned. I was a little confused by the rules last time we did this, and I still don't feel I fully understand. That being said, I don't expect my cards to change much, if at all. I'm still the moderates by a mile and I'm still the expansionists by a tiny bit. For the lobbies, I'm getting close to getting Military-Industrial, but I'm not sure if I'm quite there yet. That's one of the lobbies I'm working towards, so I'm glad to see I'm making progress there. I'll definitely keep public education and free trade. Welfare, I'm unsure if I'll keep.
Umbrella
03-23-2023, 10:09 AM
The cards were assigned to our factions, and mine hasn't changed. I'm still moderate ideology, expansionist interest, and the lobbies I have are public education, free trade, and welfare. I barely missed getting Military-Industrial, and that is something that will be part of my focus for the next draft.
We're now in the congressional leadership phase. This phase has turned a little contentious within our party. But after the dust has settled, the only two candidates eligible for Speaker of the House, House Majority Leader, and House Majority Whip are Cordell Hull and Sam Rayburn, and they are both mine. Therefore, I named Sam Rayburn Speaker, and Cordell Hull Majority Leader, for reasons I discussed in an earlier post. Since there are no other eligible candidates for Majority Whip, anyone can run. I'm going to go for a sweep and am running Harry Truman. I don't think there's any chance the other players will let me control all three positions, so it's a long shot, but I am trying to sweeten the deal by offering committee chair positions in exchange for votes. We'll see how this plays out.
In the Senate is where the contention started. There are three candidates eligible, Carl Hayden (my guy), Robert Wagner (liberal faction, and Senate Minority Whip) and Huey Long (LW faction). There are also only two spots, Senate Minority Leader, and Senate Minority Whip. Other players in our party didn't want me in control of both the House and Senate, while I'm doing everything I can to make Carl Hayden a superstar. After some back and forth, and threats with voting, I realized there was a rule that for incumbent congressional leadership positions, the incumbent can only be challenged by factions whose ideology is worse than neutral. Both the liberals and LW factions have very high enthusiasm, so they aren't allowed to challenge me. So Carl Hayden will remain Senate Minority Leader, and Robert Wagner will remain Senate Minority Whip.
The Republican side is a mess right now, since almost all of their leaders didn't get re-elected. And on the Democrat side, the only race still to be determined is House Majority Whip. We'll see how the election plays out.
In addition, things have slowed down a little bit while we attend to some administrative issues. These are small things like subtle database errors that need to be corrected. While we are playing for fun, part of our responsibilities are finding these issues.
Umbrella
03-25-2023, 12:22 AM
Truman was one of four candidates for House Majority Whip. He survived all the way down to the final round, but was finally defeated. Still, I hold positions of power in the house, and plan to use it to reward the loyalty of the factions who voted for Truman.
I only had one candidate eligible to chair a committee in the house, and of course I chose him. Stanley H Kunz (IL) will be the chair of the domestic committee. I stacked the committee in hopes to get some legislation passed for education.
Here are my members of various committees:
House Domestic
Stanley H Kunz (IL) - Chairman
Scott W Lucas (IL)
Sherman Minton (IN)
Henry Schricker (IN)
George Silzer (NJ)
Francis J Myers (PA)
Harry S Truman (MO)
House Economic
A S J Carnahan (MO)
Otis Wingo (AR)
House Foreign/Military
Clarence Lea (CA)
Rene L De Rouen (LA)
Riley J Wilson (LA)
House Judicial
John E Miles (NM)
Senate Domestic
Hugo Black (AL) - Ranking Member
Harvey Kilgore (WV)
Lawrence D Tyson (TN)
Senate Economic
Tom Connally (TX)
Elmer Thomas (OK)
Senate Foreign/Military
Henry F Ashurst (AZ) - Ranking Member
Leo Kocialkowski (IL)
Charles Sumner Hamlin (MA)
Elmer Thomas (OK)
Vail Pittman (NV)
Senate Judicial
None! I hope this doesn't bite me.
ETA: I forgot to mention that for being selected as congressional leaders, Sam Rayburn gained Leadership, Cordell Hull loses Obscure, and Carl Hayden got nothing. My best laid plans to make him a superstar are failing miserably.
Umbrella
03-26-2023, 07:45 AM
In the previous step, Cordell Hull losing obscure kind of messed up my plans. Carl Hayden had several chances to lose obscure, but the RNG gods were not in his favor. Therefore, as my only non-obscure candidate, Cordell Hull is now my faction leader.
Normally, this wouldn't be terrible, as he is a really good politician. However, he has the passive trait, and that's a bad trait to have as faction leader. For being selected as the new faction leader, he gained a couple of traits, debater (good) and puritan (weird). The puritan trait is a strange one, and we haven't seen a politician with this trait hold any kind of power yet, so I don't know if it is good or bad.
Umbrella
03-29-2023, 12:00 AM
The next part is choosing cabinet members. At first, I got all excited because Daniel Roper was chosen to be the Secretary of the Treasury, a very high ranking cabinet member. But after a rules review, we found that too many Democrats were selected for positions, and Roper was one of the ones removed. Too bad, because he would have been really good at it. So once again, I have nobody in these positions. Maybe once we take over the White House.
Confirmation votes are now happening in the Senate committees. I've voted for approval on all candidates except Postmaster General Fiorella La Guardia. He would be really good for the Republicans, and really bad for the Democrats next election. Luckily, he is controversial, so is up for a vote. Four of the five Democrat factions have already voted no (the fifth we're still waiting for his decision), so there's a good chance he won't get confirmed.
If he doesn't get confirmed, a bunch of things could happen. There's a chance party enthusiasm for the Republicans will go down. There's also a chance that the senators that voted against confirmation could gain integrity, but also a chance they could gain controversial instead. Finally, it will put a giant dent in La Guardia's career for the rest of the game. Getting controversial on my senators would suck, but I think it is a chance worth taking.
Umbrella
03-29-2023, 01:33 PM
Confirmation was anti-climatic, as the last democrat faction votes in favor. They control the most votes so that was a bummer.
Next up is the events phase. Death, retirements, general events, and scripted events will are fire. I'm currently in first place, and some of the general events target the current leader. The game has a slight method to penalize the leader and help the last place person during this phase in the form of potentially helping/hurting politicians from one of the factions. I personally don't like this rule. I would like the help/hurt to be completely random. The factions already get a little leveling out due to the draft. If it does hit, I hope it will hit a politician that I don't have plans for. Knowing Hayden's luck with the rolls, it will probably get him.
Umbrella
03-31-2023, 09:23 AM
I survived the death and retirement phase without major carnage. William Cabell Bruce retired. Unfortunately, he's been removed from my sheet already, so I don't remember who he was. I'm guessing I didn't have any major plans for him.
A little more painful is Colorado governor Billy Adams will retire after his term is complete. That's not the end of the world though. He's in a state that's unfriendly to moderates, so trying to get him elected every two years is a chore.
I didn't have any deaths from my faction, but the rest of the country wasn't so lucky. All in all, we lost two senators, a rep, the ambassador to France, and a Supreme Court justice. Luckily for us, both senators were Republican.
Unfortunately for us, they were from states with a Republican governor, so the senate stays tied at 48-48. Assuming a Republican will go on the court, that makes it a 7-2 split right now for the Republicans. In this era, the ideology of the justices is more important than the party, but it is still pretty one sided.
Umbrella
04-04-2023, 05:26 PM
Game is in a temporary pause. We broke it.
We had an incredibly rare random event come up in the events phase. There was an option to impeach a Supreme Court justice. For the lolz, and also because we wanted to see how impeachment works, we decided to vote for it. And it turns out, the impeachment rules are pretty messed up, and don't work correctly. Yea playtesting!
So now we wait while this gets figured out. As the first playtest that had an impeachment happen, we're the lucky ones who have to try and work on a solution. I don't know how long this will take.
Umbrella
04-08-2023, 11:06 AM
We're back. Without going into all the gory details, the way impeachment works was completely redone, and long story short, this event didn't fire.
Next up is my favorite phase, scripted events. I won't include the flavor events that didn't affect me personally, but I am including major ones even if they don't directly affect me...yet.
Blue Cross opened, got me points since I have politicians serving from Texas. Also improves quality of life. I guess nobody has tried filing insurance claims yet.
The big one, Wall Street crash. Economic stability tanks to recession, and crisis level. Revenue/Budget also drops into crisis level. Quality of Life and Military Prep also drop a little. Party preference would have swung hard to the Democrats, but it is already maxed out. President Hoover chose the option to let the markets recover on their own. His actions had no effect.
Lausanne Conference, agreeing to suspend payments for the Great War. Hoover chose to NOT forgive the payments, demanding Germany continue to pay. This hurt our relation with Germany, but moderates liked it and shifted further red.
A bunch of states repealed poll tax, which should help my moderates.
Japan invaded Manchuria. Our relationship with Japan decreases. Hoover chose to punish them with a retaliatory embargo. Relations dropped even further. Japan is now hostile towards us. We are pushing closer to WW2.
The dust bowl also hit. Hoover is pushing for agricultural relief legislation. No effect yet, but I think it gives bonuses to certain bills during the legislation phase.
One of the side effects of the economy tanking is that the industries are affected. Somehow, this worked out in my favor. Colorado, who I have the governor for, is now the nation's leader in natural gas. I've been trying to make this happen all game, and it happened for me. Also, the nation would have moved further blue as a whole due to these events, but as mentioned before, we're maxed out.
Umbrella
04-13-2023, 08:43 AM
Lingering effects phase came and went. This phase is always complicated, and doesn't involve any player action, it just affects the meters based on current laws and other things. Long story short, the budget is still balanced, we're in a recession, military is OK, a lot of government corruption, and domestic stability isn't great, due to the recession. With foreign relations, Russia and Japan are hostile towards us, but everyone is around neutral.
For my governor actions, CO gov Billy Adams tried unsuccessfully to weaken labor unions, MT gov John E Erickson successfully emphasized public education (my focus), and OH gov Stephan M Young successfully got 4 year governor terms passed. He's a strong governor, and I want him in there as long as possible.
We only had one Supreme Court case, Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire. This case asks does a criminal conviction for causing a breach of peace through the use of "fighting words" violate the free speech guarantee of the first amendment? We currently only have eight justices right now, but they voted 5-3 NAY. For reference, the real court was a unanimous NAY.
We're now on the legislation phase. Our new young congressman Harry Truman was the only one from my faction who proposed anything. I was late in my response, so some of the things I wanted to propose were already taken. I ended up proposing "Give Federal Farm Board the authority to purchase surplus crops to raise prices. I know, not real sexy, but moderates like this, and I have a lot of politicians from agricultural states who also like this.
Umbrella
04-14-2023, 08:02 AM
I ended up proposing "Give Federal Farm Board the authority to purchase surplus crops to raise prices. I know, not real sexy, but moderates like this, and I have a lot of politicians from agricultural states who also like this.
Turns out this was ineligible since the Farm Board hasn't been created yet. I replaced it with Bailout for Low Income Workers during Economic Crisis.
Umbrella
04-22-2023, 08:20 AM
I'm not going to break down every bill in committee, but here are my votes for everything that got out of committee. Also, as chairman of the House Domestic committee, I was able to override one of the proposals and replace it with my own. I chose to package the two educational bill together in H2, keeping up with my Schoolbook Liberal faction reputation.
S 1: AYE
Create the Tennessee Valley Authority to Modernize the Poorest Rural Societies (Fess)
Purchase Damaged Farm Land to Rehabilitate It (Capper)
REPEAL Make Exemptions to Civil Service Examinations (Baxter)
Senate 2 AYE
Donate Agricultural Surpluses Overseas to Friendly Countries (CHAIR, Passed)
S 3 AYE
Restrict unfair labor practices, including most kinds of strikes (Trammell)
S 4 AYE
Bailout for Middle-income Workers during Economic Crisis (Johnson)
S 5 AYE
*Legalization of Alcohol Amendment (Metcalf)*
S 6 AYE
Increase Salary of Judicial Branch Members (Bridges)
H 1 AYE
*Move Inauguration Day Amendment (Sabath)*
H 2 AYE
Provide federal funds to decrease illiteracy (CHAIR, passed)
Federal Aid for Primary and Secondary Schools in the South for Blacks and Poor Whites (Casey)
H 3 AYE
Institute a Peacetime Military Draft (Graham)
H 4 AYE
US Airforce (Young)
H 5 NAY
Abolish the Shooting of Deserters in the Military (Bloom)
H 6 AYE
Allow Federal Reserve to Generate Currency during economic crises (Taylor)
H 7 AYE
Bailout for Low-Income Workers during Economic Crisis (Truman)
We're still waiting on the final votes. We have a lot of playtesters on vacation right now, so it's going slow.
Umbrella
05-06-2023, 10:26 AM
Here is the update on all the bills after vote swaying shenanigans. S1, S2, S4, S6, H1, H3, H4, H5, H6 all passed and will go to the president. H2 and H7 were filibustered, which means they will get voted on again next session. That's a drag because those were my bills. S3 and S5 failed. The president signed all of them except H3, which was vetoed. We failed to override the veto, so I lost points as speaker of the house. Even with that, most of the legislation was favorable to me, so I still scored well for this section.
Our ambassadors were solely committed to improving relations with their respective countries.
In an interesting twist, Earl Warren was named to the vacant Supreme Court position.
Next up is the 1932 elections, and it will start with the Presidential election.
Umbrella
05-24-2023, 10:54 AM
Sorry for the late updates. For the presidential election, I decided to run Wendall Willkie as a minor candidate. FDR was run as a major candidate, as was Huey Long for the Democrats. It was a tough primary, but FDR came out on top. It was a two man race, and Willkie dropped out pretty early.
In the general presidential election, it was an absolute bloodbath. Hoover only carried Maine and Vermont, and FDR took everything else.
The rest of the elections (governor, senate, rep) are going on right now. Here's who I ran:
Governor
Edwin C Johnson - CO
Francis T Maloney - CT
Ruffin G Pleasant - LA
James Michael Curley - MA
Charles Fletcher Johnson - ME
Sam V Stewart - MT
John C B Ehringhaus - NC
John J O'Connor - RI
Albert Schmedemann - WI
Senator
William B Bankhead - AL
Henry F Ashurst (i) - AZ
Teller Ammons - CO
Nathan P Bryan - FL
William C Adamson - GA
Bert H Miller - ID
William Dieterich - IL
Arthur H Greenwood - IN
M M Logan - KY
Raymond B Stevens - NH
Key Pittman - NV
Frazier Reams - OH
Elmer Thomas (i) - OK
John J McSwain - SC
William Bulow - SD
Elbert D Thomas - UT
Representatives
John Sparkman - AL1
Oscar Underwood - AL2
Otis Wingo (i) - AR1
Hattie Wyatt Caraway - AR2
John R Murdock - AZ1
Jerry Voorhis - CA2
Clarence Lea (i) - CA3
Alva B Adams - CO1
Francis T Maloney - CT2
Robert A Green - FL1
Robert Ramspeck - GA1
Stanley H Kunz (i) - IL5
Scott W Lucas (i) - IL6
Sherman Minton (i) - IN1
Rene L De Rouen (i) - LA1
Riley J Wilson (i) - LA2
William P Connery Jr - MA2
Harry S Truman (i) - MO2
A S J Carnahan (i) - MO3
Robert L Doughton - NC1
Edwin Y Webb - NC2
William H Smathers - NJ1
A Harry Moore - NJ2
George Silzer (i) - NJ3
John E Miles (i) - NM1
Frank Lausche - OH1
Francis J Myers (i) - PA2
John M O-Connell - RI1
Daniel Roper - SC1
Olin D Johnston - SC2
Cordell Hull (i) - TN1
Finis J Garrett - TN2
James Allred - TX1
Sam Rayburn (i) - TX2
Lee O'Daniel - TX3
Umbrella
05-27-2023, 09:59 AM
Governor elections are complete: Let's check out the results:
Edwin C Johnson - CO - Lost in the primary.
Francis T Maloney - CT - Lost in the primary.
Ruffin G Pleasant - LA - Lost in the primary.
James Michael Curley - MA - Lost in the primary.
Charles Fletcher Johnson - ME - Won the primary, but lost the general election
Sam V Stewart - MT - Winner!
John C B Ehringhaus - NC - Lost in the primary.
John J O'Connor - RI - Lost in the primary.
Albert Schmedemann - WI - Lost in the primary.
Terrible results, but to be fair, other than Edwin Johnson and Stewart, these were not good candidates. I hope to do better in the congressional elections.
Umbrella
05-30-2023, 10:41 AM
The elections were a mixed bag. Senate was ok, House was...not.
Senator
William B Bankhead - AL - Win!
Henry F Ashurst (i) - AZ - Win, retains his seat.
Teller Ammons - CO - Another victory.
Nathan P Bryan - FL - Lost in the primaries.
William C Adamson - GA - Lost in the primaries.
Bert H Miller - ID - Lost in the primaries.
William Dieterich - IL - Lost in the primaries.
Arthur H Greenwood - IN - Lost in the primaries.
M M Logan - KY - Lost in the primaries.
Raymond B Stevens - NH -Lost in the general. His opponent was the Senate PPT, so that would have been an upset.
Key Pittman - NV - Lost in the primaries. He's really good, but I can't get him to win.
Frazier Reams - OH - Lost in the primaries.
Elmer Thomas (i) - OK - Lost in the primaries. Losing an incumbent hurts.
John J McSwain - SC - Lost in the primaries.
William Bulow - SD - Finally, a victory.
Elbert D Thomas - UT - Lost in the primaries. Another really good candidate I can't get to win.
I ended up picking up two seats, so not bad.
Representatives
John Sparkman - AL1 - Lost in the primaries.
Oscar Underwood - AL2 - Lost in the primaries.
Otis Wingo (i) - AR1 - Held his seat.
Hattie Wyatt Caraway - AR2 - Lost in the primaries.
John R Murdock - AZ1 - Lost in the primaries.
Jerry Voorhis - CA2 - Lost in the primaries.
Clarence Lea (i) - CA3 - Held his seat. He's in a really red district, so I don't know how he keeps winning.
Alva B Adams - CO1 - Winner! I do well in Colorado for some reason.
Francis T Maloney - CT2 - Lost in the general.
Robert A Green - FL1 - Lost in the primaries.
Robert Ramspeck - GA1 - Lost in the primaries.
Stanley H Kunz (i) - IL5 - Held his seat.
Scott W Lucas (i) - IL6 - Held his seat.
Sherman Minton (i) - IN1 - Held his seat.
Rene L De Rouen (i) - LA1 - Held his seat.
Riley J Wilson (i) - LA2 - Held his seat.
William P Connery Jr - MA2 - Lost in the primaries.
Harry S Truman (i) - MO2 - Lost in the primaries. This really hurts my long term strategy.
A S J Carnahan (i) - MO3 - Held his seat.
Robert L Doughton - NC1 - Lost in the primaries.
Edwin Y Webb - NC2 - A surprise victory. He's one of my few far right politicians.
William H Smathers - NJ1 - Lost in the primaries.
A Harry Moore - NJ2 - Another surprise victory.
George Silzer (i) - NJ3 - Held his seat.
John E Miles (i) - NM1 - Lost in the primaries. He's not great, but I still hate losing incumbents.
Frank Lausche - OH1 - Lost in the primaries.
Francis J Myers (i) - PA2 - Initially lost in the primaries, but I called out a rules violation since the challenger who beat him had the same ideology, which isn't allowed. On the do over, he won, then held his seat.
John M O'Connell - RI1 - Lost in the primaries.
Daniel Roper - SC1 - Lost in the primaries.
Olin D Johnston - SC2 - Another surprise win. It's hard for moderates to win primaries in the south, but somehow he did.
Cordell Hull (i) - TN1 - Still keeps winning. I don't know how long it will last though.
Finis J Garrett - TN2 - Lost in the primaries.
James Allred - TX1 - Lost in the primaries.
Sam Rayburn (i) - TX2 - Lost in the primaries. An absolute gut punch. He was Speaker of the House, and didn't even get out of the primaries. By political value points, he's my third best politician, so I'm devastated by this one.
Lee O'Daniel - TX3 - Lost in the primaries.
So even though I picked up a seat in the house, I lost 2 of my top 4 guys, and Cordell Hull is on thin ice. I may have to think about bringing Adlai Stevenson off of the career track path to help out.
Umbrella
05-30-2023, 12:43 PM
Ugh, I just realized something even more problematic. With Rayburn losing an election as speaker, there is a 40% chance he will retire after the election. Also, Elmer Thomas, for losing as an incumbent senator, has a 25% chance of retiring. Let's hope the RNG gods are on my side.
Also, my faction has the lowest score for the Democrats, which means I will have the first pick in the upcoming draft. Yea, I guess.
Umbrella
06-07-2023, 05:51 PM
I got lucky and avoided all retirements this phase.
The draft was not great. With my first pick, I took William Fulbright. Donald S Russell was my second pick, and S I Hayakawa was third. I won't list everyone else that I picked.
For the career track, here are where my rookies ended up:
Private - Donald S Russell
Military - Wesley E Brown
Judicial - Lewis F Powell Jr
Governing - Buford Ellington
Legislative - William Fulbright
Admin - John J McIntyre
Backroom - Augustus Hawkins
I had two guys come off the career tracks since they hit their 20 years. William P Cole Jr was on the judicial track, gained +2 judicial, expansionist, and unlikeable. Carl Hatch came off the admin track, gained +2 admin, housing expertise, egghead, expansionist, and +1 legislative. He could become a powerhouse in New Mexico. No relation to the chile.
I chose not to relocate any of my politicians, but I did try and shift John R Murdock, Carl Hatch, and Elbert D Thomas from moderate to liberal. They all need it to compete in their states. Only Thomas was successful, and to add insult to injury, Murdock gained flip flopper, and Hatch gained the dreaded pliable. So much for him becoming a powerhouse.
Because my faction leader, Cordell Hull, is passive, I can't attempt any conversions. My fellow players have no such problems, and failed presidential candidate Wendell Wilkie jumps ship to the Republican party.
All of my kingmakers already have proteges, so I can't do anything during this section.
Next up will be the faction cards. I think I will end up losing reformists and gaining expansionists, but everything else will stay the same.
My faction is really faltering right now. I hope Carl Hayden will become senate majority leader and finally lose obscure so I can return him as faction leader. Cordell Hull is the frontrunner to win Speaker, but I'm putting some feelers out to make him the key advisor to the President. This is his true calling, but it would be hard to pass up being Speaker. I'm still licking my wounds from the election fallout. The country is leaning liberal right now, and my moderate/conservative faction is struggling to remain relevant.
JonInMiddleGA
06-07-2023, 07:07 PM
Carl Hatch came off the admin track, gained +2 admin, housing expertise, egghead, expansionist, and +1 legislative. He could become a powerhouse in New Mexico. No relation to the chile.
Fun fact, as I continue to check on a random name in these threads to see if they're who I think they are.
Yep, he's "The Hatch Act" Hatch but the fun fact is that, born in Kansas and initially practiced law in Oklahoma, he attended the Cumberland School of Law in Tennessee ... now part of Samford University in Alabama (they sold the law school as a separate entity)
Another Cumberland alum? Cordell Hull, though separated by 21 years.
Umbrella
06-08-2023, 10:34 AM
Fun fact, as I continue to check on a random name in these threads to see if they're who I think they are.
Yep, he's "The Hatch Act" Hatch
Nice catch. I saw Hatch from New Mexico, and immediately went to hatch green chiles.
Izulde
06-08-2023, 12:32 PM
I finally found where the main playtest forum is and got approved after a week (I sent an email and they approved it same day).
Hoping I can join a playtest myself and start a dynasty here. It's been fun reading through the playtest threads on there.
Umbrella
06-22-2023, 07:32 PM
Leadership didn't go well for me either. Long story short, I didn't have the votes necessary to get my way, so I had to make concessions. Cordell Hull ended up winning House Majority Leader instead of Speaker. And Carl Hayden ended up as Senate Majority Whip. Hayden gained manipulative and kingmaker (woohoo!), but still hasn't lost obscure. As part of my deal, if we retain control of the senate next session, my party is supposed to vote Hayden as Majority Leader if he still hasn't lost obscure. We'll see if that happens. One good thing about not getting either of those positions is that I don't have to assign committees, which is a chore.
Speaking of committees, Senator Henry F Ashurst was selected as the chairman of the Military/Foreign Affairs committee.
For my faction leader, Cordell Hull is still the only eligible candidate, so he remains. He gains leadership, expansionist, and everyman. If he wasn't passive, he would be about as ideal politician as ever lived. Since FDR is the president, he is automatically the party leader.
Speaking of FDR, he now gets to choose his cabinet. Daniel Roper was selected for Secretary of Treasury, James Forrrestal as Secretary of Commerce, George Marshall as ambassador to France, and Jesse Donaldson as ambassador to Germany. What could go wrong with having ambassadors to those countries in the 1930's? In real life, Donaldson was a mailman who rose all the way to Postmaster General under Truman. I'm imagining in this alternate reality he pulled some favors to the the ambassador job. Also, Adlai Stevenson was selected as Secretary of the Navy, but I declined that position, as I want to keep him on the career path for now. Because of that, George Marshall was instead nominated for Secretary of the Navy instead of an ambassador, which I accepted. All of them got through the Senate confirmation.
Next up is the events phase. Should be interesting.
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