Werewolf - The Game Thread

[Warhammer]

That said, I vote for George W Bush

[Joe]

I went back and looked at the posts, you know what is interesting is that both of the people who voted for BrianD are now dead...

This can mean a few things:

1) BrianD is a werewolf and to kill off any suspicious people, the wolves decided to get Desnudo.
2) BrianD is not a werewolf, and the real wolves decided to kill Desnudo to get people to suspect BrianD.
3) GWB immediately said things looked suspicious for BrianD, could he be the sorceror or the other wolf?

Some food for thought...

I wouldn't say immediately, it was the next day. My post regarding that was in response to Mustang's post about BrianD being a werewolf and KevinNU saying Desnudo wasn't much of a threat.

[BrianD]

I went back and looked at the posts, you know what is interesting is that both of the people who voted for BrianD are now dead...

This can mean a few things:

1) BrianD is a werewolf and to kill off any suspicious people, the wolves decided to get Desnudo.
2) BrianD is not a werewolf, and the real wolves decided to kill Desnudo to get people to suspect BrianD.
3) GWB immediately said things looked suspicious for BrianD, could he be the sorceror or the other wolf?

Some food for thought...

I know 1 isn't true, so I'm suspecting 2 and 3 are. I'm changing my vote. I no longer vote for Fonzie. I now vote for GWB

[Swaggs]

This would make good television.

[KWhit]

I don't know who to vote for.

[Fonzie]

I don't know who to vote for.
Same here. I've speculated a fair bit today, but I have no idea if any of my suspicions are correct.

Damn.

[Eaglesfan27]

Same here. I've speculated a fair bit today, but I have no idea if any of my suspicions are correct.

Damn.
Same here. I've got it narrowed down to two people, but I'm not sure which should get my vote.

[BrianD]

Just to give a visual on the votes so far:

Warhammer - GWB
Mustang - GWB
BrianD - GWB
Condors - GWB
Eaglesfan27 - GWB

KevinNU7 - Condors
George W Bush - Condors

KWhit -
Fonzie -

Peregrine - killed Night 1 (innkeeper)
Desnudo - killed Night 2 (villager)
Lathum - Lynched Day 1 (villager)

[Mustang]

Just to give a visual on the votes so far:

Warhammer - GWB
Mustang - GWB
BrianD - GWB

KevinNU7 - Condors
George W Bush - Condors

KWhit -
Eaglesfan27 -
Fonzie -
Condors -


I think at least one or both of the wolves has voted. . .

The group that hasn't voted has 0 or 1 wolves.

If there were 2.. I'd imagine both would vote for GWB or Condors since both would therefore be innocent and who cares which dies..

[condors]

I vote GWB as otherwise i may be lynched although i am not sure he is a werewolf

[Mustang]

I vote GWB as otherwise i may be lynched although i am not sure he is a werewolf

state your case...

[condors]

state your case...

well the first vote i almost got lynched and i have no idea why

this vote if i don't vote for GWB then i may end up getting lynched

There are 2 werewolves working together out there.

You need to think what why they are thinking by their actions not words.

Who did they kill first then ask why

If you think i had anything to do with it, i sure as heck would want to know why.GWB and KevinNU7 seem to think i am werewolf material.

I will now probally get eaten tonight if i don't get lynched.

[Warhammer]

If you get eaten tonight, we know who to go after next then! Take one for the team!

[Mustang]

Who did they kill first then ask why


I think there is a consensus that Desnudo is a patsy and that they wanted us to pick BrianD as the next lynching victim because Desnudo picked him out..

Of course.. we could all be wrong..

[Eaglesfan27]

Well, I have it down to two people who I think are most likely to be the werewolf, and I'm going with the one of those two who has the most votes.

Therefore, I vote for George W Bush.

[Swaggs]

How do we know if the seer is still living?

[Warhammer]

Neither of the dead were revealed to be the seer.

[BrianD]

I've edited my scorecard above. Things look bleak for GWB unless someone decides to switch his vote. Interesting that GWB and KevinNU are the only dissenting votes so far. Did they team up to pick on Condors, or just use the same logic to come up with the same target?

[Eaglesfan27]

How do we know if the seer is still living?
Because everyone's role is revealed when they die. So far, we have only lost two regular villagers.

[Peregrine]

I'll be out and about till around 9:30 or so tonight but I'll total up the votes and post after I get back. The seer and wolves are free to PM me with your view and kill whenever you want.

[Joe]

Well I come back to a lynching, how nice. 2 innocent villagers in a row. After re-reading the thread, and especially Condors' comment about actions and not words, I am changing my vote.

Unvote Condors
Vote BrianD

The fact that both people who voted BrianD last night are now dead, and his comment above about the dissenting votes is telling. It's almost as if he's plotting to take out the dissenters.

[Joe]

dola- you seriously think Peregrine would have chosen me to be a werewolf? Just by my name alone I am a candidate to be lynched, and that would make for a short game if I was a werewolf.

[BrianD]

Just to give a visual on the votes so far:

Warhammer - GWB
Mustang - GWB
BrianD - GWB
Condors - GWB
Eaglesfan27 - GWB

KevinNU7 - Condors

George W Bush - BrianD

KWhit -
Fonzie -

Peregrine - killed Night 1 (innkeeper)
Desnudo - killed Night 2 (villager)
Lathum - Lynched Day 1 (villager)

[Lathum]

I sense an impeachment coming

[BrianD]

Well I come back to a lynching, how nice. 2 innocent villagers in a row. After re-reading the thread, and especially Condors' comment about actions and not words, I am changing my vote.

Unvote Condors
Vote BrianD

The fact that both people who voted BrianD last night are now dead, and his comment above about the dissenting votes is telling. It's almost as if he's plotting to take out the dissenters.

I just thought it was interesting that we have two werewolves and (had) two votes for Condors. I thought that might be the wolves teaming up.

[Mustang]

Well I come back to a lynching, how nice.

Unvote Condors
Vote BrianD



BrianD is the most logical choice to build a conspiracy around because of the 2 deaths and would orobably have the most people teetering on voting for him. Being a wolf, I would expect you to swing your vote this way or to Eaglesfan in order to draw votes...

[Joe]

I sense an impeachment coming
:(

[Eaglesfan27]

I sense an impeachment coming
This line cracked me up. :D

[KevinNU7]

Quite the development over the last 4 hours.

[Lathum]

Has anyone noticed how many views this thread is getting?

[Lathum]

BTW- I had a strategy and it obviously didn't work. I wanted to get a few votes so the werewolves didn't see me as a threat and eat me and I could slide through. It obviously was a bad strategy.

[Mustang]

BTW- I had a strategy and it obviously didn't work. I wanted to get a few votes so the werewolves didn't see me as a threat and eat me and I could slide through. It obviously was a bad strategy.

Ya.. that whole put-the-noose-around-your-neck and scream "Pick me! Pick me!" backfired.. badly..

:D

[Fonzie]

I vote for George W Bush.

And I honestly never thought I'd say that. Under any circumstances.

[Fonzie]

dola-

I will now probally get eaten tonight if i don't get lynched. I suspect most of us are thinking similar thoughts.

[BrianD]

Has anyone noticed how many views this thread is getting?

I wonder how many of the views are from players constantly hitting refresh to make sure they catch every new development. I know I've been doing that a lot.

[BrianD]

BTW- I had a strategy and it obviously didn't work. I wanted to get a few votes so the werewolves didn't see me as a threat and eat me and I could slide through. It obviously was a bad strategy.

When this game is done, it will be interesting to hear everyone talk about their strategies. It will also be fun to see how well those strategies worked.

[KWhit]

I vote for GWB.

[BrianD]

So the vote is now 7-1-1 GWB - BrianD - Condors. Pretty close to a consensus, yet somehow I am uneasy...

[Mustang]

I'll tell you one thing, if GWB IS a werewolf.. KevinNU is the likely next lynched person. . . That or the other werewolf threw in the towel and voted on GWB too thinking it was all over to hide his identity...

Wonder if the wolves waited until the end to cast their votes and our GWB vote is misplaced? You'd think there would be at least 2 out there to protect him (other wolf and the sympathizer...) and I haven't heard one peep or suggestion on another party...

[BrianD]

I'll tell you one thing, if GWB IS a werewolf.. KevinNU is the likely next lynched person. . . That or the other werewolf threw in the towel and voted on GWB too thinking it was all over to hide his identity...

Wonder if the wolves waited until the end to cast their votes and our GWB vote is misplaced? You'd think there would be at least 2 out there to protect him (other wolf and the sympathizer...) and I haven't heard one peep...

That is what has me uneasy. I thought maybe GWB and KevinNU were wolves since they jumped on Condors pretty much together, but I also expected the sorcerer to join in...not that the sorcerer knows who the wolves are. Is it possible that the wolves joined on the GWB bandwagon early since they knew he wasn't a wolf?

[Lathum]

Isn't it after 7:00?

[Mustang]

Isn't it after 7:00?

Peregrine said he would be back at 9:30 to tally the votes...

Guess I will have to find out then since RL calls and I won't be back for a bit..

Alas, my uneasy vote will have to stand unless someone else brings something to light other than my own paranoia and second guessing.

[BrianD]

Our host is out until around 9:30 tonight. We get an extra 2.5 hours of paranoia. :)

[Mustang]

Our host is out until around 9:30 tonight. We get an extra 2.5 hours of paranoia. :)

None extra for me.. if there is a current swell against me, I won't be there to defend myself so. . don't read anything into my lack of comments.

[KevinNU7]

That is what has me uneasy. I thought maybe GWB and KevinNU were wolves since they jumped on Condors pretty much together, but I also expected the sorcerer to join in...not that the sorcerer knows who the wolves are. Is it possible that the wolves joined on the GWB bandwagon early since they knew he wasn't a wolf?
Not sure why you would think that considering I was only going after the same person I have always gone against. I had thought of changing my vote but didn't see the point since there was so many agaisnt GWB

[Lathum]

What's up? I go out for a while and I expected a lynching when I got home.

[Eaglesfan27]

Peregrine said he would be home late. Hopefully, we'll have a lynching soon and more importantly, hopefully it will be a werewolf.

[TazFTW]

Has anyone noticed how many views this thread is getting?
I've been reading this thread because I wanted to get in but it was filled up by the time I got to the boards. It is has given me insight on what not to do if there is a werewolf 2.

[korme]

This game has caught my interest and I am not even playing.

[Peregrine]

Well this night most of you are agreed about GWB being the lynching victim. As you surround him, you realize he's not going to go easily, because he's a werewolf! After a struggle though, you manage to subdue him and finish him off with a silver letter opener. Whew, that's one wolf down.

Night Turn 3

Peregrine - killed Night 1 (innkeeper)
KWhit
BrianD
Eaglesfan27
Fonzie
KevinNU7
George W Bush - Lynched Day 2 (werewolf)
Mustang
Condors
Warhammer
Desnudo - killed Night 2 (villager)
Lathum - Lynched Day 1 (villager)

Seer, PM me your view, already have the wolf's reply.

[BrianD]

Hey, we got one right! :)

[Eaglesfan27]

Good show, gentlemen! :)

[Peregrine]

The night passes quickly, with most of you exhausted from the fight against George W Bush. When you wake up, one of you isn't there at the breakfast table for the delicious oatmeal and cold tea. Mustang has been killed during the night. He is yet another villager lost to the rampaging werewolf.

Day Turn 3

Peregrine - killed Night 1 (innkeeper)
KWhit
BrianD
Eaglesfan27
Fonzie
KevinNU7
George W Bush - Lynched Day 2 (werewolf)
Mustang - killed Night 3 (villager)
Condors
Warhammer
Desnudo - killed Night 2 (villager)
Lathum - Lynched Day 1 (villager)

[Mustang]

Hmm.. I voted for GWB first..

Umm.. could be a deadly night for me.

[Mustang]

*L*

As if on cue.. :D


With my last dying gasp... "AAAAck... you KNOW who did this..."

[Peregrine]

Heh very nice prediction Mustang. :)

[BrianD]

I had a feeling Mustang was going to go. He seemed ahead of most people with the strategies of the hunt. :(

[Airhog]

I have to agree with shorty here. This game is very fascinating. I cannot wait for round 2 :D

[Joe]

nicely played, gentlemen. Looks like I was wrong twice on who the seer is.

[Mustang]

I had a feeling Mustang was going to go. He seemed ahead of most people with the strategies of the hunt. :(

Now I can watch the rest.. good luck with the hunt gentlemen...

[Lathum]

Hey, we got one right! :)
a little too late IMO

[Eaglesfan27]

a little too late IMOWell, we are batting .500 which is great considering the odds with only 2 wolves to 9 humans at the start. However, I realize that isn't much consolation to you (nor would it be to me if I was the one that was unfairly lynched.)

[Peregrine]

Just as an FYI to everyone (this game isn't over yet) I'm working on the plans for a second game, which will be able to accomodate a few more people, and will have a couple of new or expanded roles involved. More details later.

[BrianD]

a little too late IMO

I still feel bad about that, but the first lynching is tough. We didn't have much to go on.

[Mustang]

Just as an FYI to everyone (this game isn't over yet) I'm working on the plans for a second game, which will be able to accomodate a few more people, and will have a couple of new or expanded roles involved. More details later.

Well, if you are taking early reserves, I'd be interested again.. (obviously)...

[Mustang]

I still feel bad about that, but the first lynching is tough. We didn't have much to go on.

I told you guys Lathum was innocent but.. noooooo.. no one listens to me until the second night.. Getting people to trust me will be the death of me one day... :p

[BrianD]

nicely played, gentlemen. Looks like I was wrong twice on who the seer is.

I was initially thinking that Mustang could have been the seer, but he started talking too much about what he thought the seer would be doing. I figured he would hide it more if he was the seer.

[BrianD]

I told you guys Lathum was innocent but.. noooooo.. no one listens to me until the second night.. Getting people to trust me will be the death of me one day... :p

Well, you were getting people to trust you today, and you did die.... :)

[heybrad]

I'd like to get into the next game if possible.

[Swaggs]

Hey Brad.

Me too.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm interested in being the next game as well, but I'll understand if you want to give all new people a chance.

[Fonzie]

I'm interested in being the next game as well, but I'll understand if you want to give all new people a chance.
Ditto. This is fun stuff.

[NoMyths]

Why don't y'all focus on finishing this game before signing up for the next one? :)

[Peregrine]

Just what I was about to say NoMyths! We'll have plenty of time to worry about the next game after this one is over. :)

[Lathum]

I think I definantly deserve a spot in the next one.

[condors]

after looking at what transpired this seems almost too easy (which means i want to lynch an innocent man)

I vote for KevinNU7

[KevinNU7]

It does seem too good to be true doesn't it? Something to chew on though is that a true werewolf would have voted with the other villagers if the vote looked obvious to hide himself. I made my vote at 2pm and had to leave work and didn't get back to a PC until 6:10. If at that time the voting was close I may have changed my mind about who to vote for but it was such a blow out that I kept it as Condors.

If you think I am the other the wolf then I have a question for you, why would the wolves vote seperately in the first round GWB for Lathum and me for Condors and then together in round 2 (both for Condors before GWB changed it to Eaglesfan)? Seems to me they'd stay seperate to make them harder to detect.

Surely if I was the werewolf I would have waited as long as possible to vote and then pick GWB to fall in line with everyone else.

[BrianD]

I think you and GWB both voted for Condors to try to gain some momentum and start a bandwagon. I also think GWB changed his vote so it wouldn't look like you two were working together.

I vote KevinNU7

[KevinNU7]

Just thought of something. Since the seer is still alive maybe then can shed some light for us. If you know who the werewolf is you can freely come out and say it since we can all kill the werewolf before he can kill you. Ofcourse if you haven't found the werewolf yet you are best to not say anything.

That brings up an interesting point. Since I am such an obvious choice shouldn't the seer have chosen to look at me last night and then he would have saw that I was a werewolf and told all of you?! Since he didn't IMO it can be safe to assume I am not a werewolf.

[BrianD]

Since I am such an obvious choice shouldn't the seer have chosen to look at me last night and then he would have saw that I was a werewolf

Is this an admission?

[KevinNU7]

Obviosuly it isn't, don't spin my words like a jackass. I think my questions holds water. If you think I am such an obviosu choice then we should assume that the seer also thought I was an obvious choice and looked at me last night. If he did look at me and saw I wasn't a werewolf then he would have to keep quiet for fear of getting eaten tonight for admitting he is the seer. If he looked at me and saw I was a werewolf then he would have spoken up and said "KevinNU is the werewolf, everyone vote for him to end the game."

[KWhit]

Very interesting.

Good job, guys rooting out the terror of GWB as werewolf (I just went along with the consensus - I had no idea who to vote for).

I think Kevin is an obvious choice, but maybe too obvious. I would think a werewolf would want to be less blatant with his voting. I still lean toward condors. But I'm not sure. I need a few more pages of posts to help me decide.

:)

[Warhammer]

It's funny, the two people that I think have the best chance to be the werewolf are going at it. But, who is the werewolf?

In one corner we have BrianD, he of the big B and ending with the big D.
In the other corner we have KevinNU7, that being the #7 Kevin of Northeastern University!

Who will win, let's see as we get ready to RUUUUMMMMBLLLE!

[KevinNU7]

I think I have made my point on why I am not the werewolf. I have no clue who is the werewolf though!

[KevinNU7]

Dola,

Does anyone feel that in future installments we shouldn't know who the players were after they are killed? I think it would be much better if you had no clue of the lynching of GWB actually killed a werewolf. Also, we need to improve the role of sorceror as it is pretty pointless right now. Maybe the sorceror should know who the werewolves are but the werewolves shouldn't know the sorceror. Right now the sorceror has no clue what is going on.

[Peregrine]

The next game will have several new roles, and the sorceror and hunter will have more power.

Some games are played where you don't know what roles were killed, in other games there is a role who has visions that tell who was just killed, and can share them anonymously with everyone else. Of course in those games if that role, the monk, is killed, then you don't know for the rest of the game.

Personally I like knowing who was killed. It gives you good feedback, so the villagers know they've scored a big point if they kill a werewolf, or are mad at themselves if they lynch an innocent villager. If you don't know I think it would lead to more randomness, with people not feeling that their votes mattered as much.

[KevinNU7]

I'd also like to see people get this PM

"Last night you had trouble sleeping as you felt a pressance observing you in an attempt to discover who you are or are not"

Basically letting you know that the seer viewed you. This would scare the crap out of a werewolf and also give players insight the the seer will atleast agree that you are not a werewolf.

[Warhammer]

Personally, I like knowing which characters are killed, otherwise, you're just running around willy nilly hacking off heads...

[KWhit]

Agreed.

[Mustang]

Personally, I like knowing which characters are killed, otherwise, you're just running around willy nilly hacking off heads...

I would agree with that as far as villagers/werewolves.. I think any hunters, seers, sympathizers that are part of the game and are human wouldn't be revealed unless they reveal themselves. (Unless a crystal ball pops out their ass when they are lynched.. "Hey everyone, its the seer!)

I like Kevin's idea too.. interesting dynamic adding to the paranoia and mistrust.. (IMO).

but, Peregrine's game so... :D

[Warhammer]

OK, I went back through the voting records, and have to admit I have 3 suspects:

BrianD and KevinNU7 (who I have already stated), but also Fonzie.

condors may in fact be the seer, with his quick vote for KevinNU7 (would make sense) and KevinNU7 has a interesting voting record, as does BrianD. Fonzie's is interesting as well, especially as he mentioned that he never thought he'd be voting for GWB.

[BrianD]

Obviosuly it isn't, don't spin my words like a jackass. I think my questions holds water. If you think I am such an obviosu choice then we should assume that the seer also thought I was an obvious choice and looked at me last night. If he did look at me and saw I wasn't a werewolf then he would have to keep quiet for fear of getting eaten tonight for admitting he is the seer. If he looked at me and saw I was a werewolf then he would have spoken up and said "KevinNU is the werewolf, everyone vote for him to end the game."

Jackass? That seems a bit harsh. I didn't even twist your words. You said if the seer had viewed you last night, he would have saw that you are a werewolf. As it is, I did view you last night, and I did see that you are a werewolf.

KevinNU is the werewolf, everyone vote for him to end the game.

Better?

[Warhammer]

Jackass? That seems a bit harsh. I didn't even twist your words. You said if the seer had viewed you last night, he would have saw that you are a werewolf. As it is, I did view you last night, and I did see that you are a werewolf.

KevinNU is the werewolf, everyone vote for him to end the game.

Better?

Wow, that made up my mind, of course if KevinNU is not the werewolf, I am getting BrianD tomorrow...

I vote for KevinNU7

[KevinNU7]

Jackass? That seems a bit harsh. I didn't even twist your words. You said if the seer had viewed you last night, he would have saw that you are a werewolf. As it is, I did view you last night, and I did see that you are a werewolf.

KevinNU is the werewolf, everyone vote for him to end the game.

Better?
You twisted my words because you took 3 sentence and only quoted 1. You removed the fact that I was talking about scenarios. If you are truely the seer why didn't you say you were earlier this morning? Either you are lieing are not a very smart person

[BrianD]

You twisted my words because you took 3 sentence and only quoted 1. You removed the fact that I was talking about scenarios. If you are truely the seer why didn't you say you were earlier this morning? Either you are lieing are not a very smart person

Or I didn't want to steal the fun from everyone by making the announcement right away.

[Swaggs]

Someone got their fur ruffled... ;)

[Fonzie]

Fonzie's is interesting as well, especially as he mentioned that he never thought he'd be voting for GWB.
That was intended to be a joke, as I'm not a big fan of the real-life GWB. :)

[Fonzie]

Dola-
Someone got their fur ruffled... ;)
Indeed. I don't see any need for grumpiness - this is a game, people! :)

[Warhammer]

And it could be well played by a BrianD werewolf claiming he was the seer. Like I said, if KevinNU is not the werewolf and if BrianD is not a midnight snack for someone, he gets my vote tomorrow.

[Lathum]

This is great :)

[Joe]

Some very interesting developments.

[Mustang]

Some very interesting developments.

Sucks we're dead.. gotta view from above...

[Swaggs]

Some very interesting developments.

If you were a good politician, you would continue to deny that you are a werewolf. ;)

[Joe]

If you were a good politician, you would continue to deny that you are a werewolf. ;)


Nobody has ever accused George W Bush of being a good politician.

[rkmsuf]

lynched, that's no way to go

[KWhit]

Here are the different things that GWB said while he was still alive in the game. Some interesting stuff here (my comments are italic).



can we lynch Jeeber yet?


yep, the werewolves would be the quiet, sneaky guys. who havent we heard from yet?


I also subscribe to the werewolf laying low theory, so there are a few options. But by his mysteriously late appearance, I vote for Eaglesfan as well. Something appears to be going on here.


(to Eaglesfan) Spoken like a true werewolf. We all knew Jeeber was a werewolf, so that must mean you're one. Right?


It's kind of suspicious that Lathum hasn't changed his vote from Eaglesfan to Condors. Wouldn't he try to protect himself if he knew Condors wasn't a werewolf? Maybe he knows something we don't.


I still have my suspicions about Eaglesfan, but:
Unvote Eaglesfan
Vote Lathum
(Note that at this point, many people have changed their vote from Lathum to Condors. I wonder why GWB didn't join them if he were going to switch his vote)


By my count, the vote is like this:


BrianD - Lathum

Lathum - Condors
Eaglesfan - Lathum
George W Bush - Lathum
Warhammer - Lathum
KevinNU7 - Condors
Mustang - Condors
KWhit - Condors
Fonzie- Lathum
Condors- Lathum
Desnudo- BrianD

So its 6-4-1. What if someone switches and its a tie? We get to have two lynchings?



oops. Shouldn't have switched my vote from Eaglesfan. If it wasn't one, it's gotta be the other.


kind of seems like the killing of Desnudo is too obvious for BrianD to be a werewolf. Perhaps it really is Condors and he's trying to throw us off.


Yeah, seems like it would be right up his (EagleFan's) alley. Then again, maybe he and BrianD are both werewolves, and knew that you'd see through it, deflecting suspicion of BrianD. Lots of mind games going on. Seems like Eaglesfan is having a long nap after eating Desnudo. And don't forget that he has the same role Jeeber had, and a good number of us were suspicious of Jeeber. EF was on my list yesterday, and this is starting to make sense.


I think the people who voted for Condors were Mustang, KevinNU7, and KWhit. Maybe they know something the rest of us don't?


Nobody was overly vocal about voting for Condors, but Mustang said he had to "protect" and unvote for Lathum. Could have viewed Lathum on the first night.


(To Eaglesfan) too much of the other werewolf howling in your ear?


nope, just trying to figure out who the seer is to gain some knowledge on their votes. I agree above about the switches to Condors, so that's my vote.
Vote Condors


Well I come back to a lynching, how nice. 2 innocent villagers in a row. After re-reading the thread, and especially Condors' comment about actions and not words, I am changing my vote.
Unvote Condors
Vote BrianD
The fact that both people who voted BrianD last night are now dead, and his comment above about the dissenting votes is telling. It's almost as if he's plotting to take out the dissenters.

[KWhit]

GWB was on Jeeber's and the EagleFan's case from the start. I think he was too vocal toward them if that was the other werewolf.

He actions toward condors, though, are interesting. I'm not sure what I think of that yet.

[KevinNU7]

Well I've been going with Condors all game long but I will sit back adn wait until the end. If there's enough votes against me I may not even bother

[Joe]

hmm... interesting indeed.

[NoMyths]

Well I've been going with Condors all game long but I will sit back adn wait until the end. If there's enough votes against me I may not even bother*sneaking in*

Except of course for the times you wanted to lynch Lathum (1st) and Eaglesfan (2nd). Which makes the following quote of yours showing GWB's (a proven werewolf) voting pattern very interesting:

"If you think I am the other the wolf then I have a question for you, why would the wolves vote seperately in the first round GWB for Lathum and me for Condors and then together in round 2 (both for Condors before GWB changed it to Eaglesfan)? Seems to me they'd stay seperate to make them harder to detect."

Looks like some flip-flopping for strategy purposes. I think you kids have yerselves a furry here.

*sneaks out*

[Warhammer]

Completely off topic, but I was hoping GWB would have a post:

"I am the werewolf! Coo-coo-ca-choo!"

[timmynausea]

Hm... So the wolves are a guy named George W. Bush and a total flip-flopper. Rock the vote.

[Joe]

Hm... So the wolves are a guy named George W. Bush and a total flip-flopper. Rock the vote.

There is no "." in my name!

[KWhit]

I think GWB's comments point to condors. He only voted for condors after a few others had voted that way too. And he seemed to be trying to protect him earlier in the thread.

[Warhammer]

Then why would BrianD be so adamant that KevinNU is the wolf, and if Kevin is not the wolf, why did he become unhinged in dealing with the allegations?

I stand by my earlier assessment, either KevinNU or BrianD is the wolf. Perhaps some info on what Mustang's other candidates for the wolf would be of some help.

[Eaglesfan27]

Well after a long sleep induced by Nyquil, I'm catching up with developments. First, I think that the role of either villager or werewolf should be revealed on death. I don't think seer/hunter/sorceror should be revealed as these aren't going to morph, but it doesn't bother me too much if they are.

Now as to this game, some interesting developments. I think this is an easy vote, but I'm going to review everything one more time just to be sure.

[KevinNU7]

I became frustrated because it is so obvious to me that the seer would immediately say who the second wolf was after the first wolf is dead. That did not happen yet people were still voting for me when it was obvious that the seer must have looked at me last night. Then later on BrianD says he is teh seer. It's all to convenient for him.

[KevinNU7]

Ok, I think I'm leaving in a few minutes so I'll throw out my vote for my main man again :)

I vote for Condors

[Warhammer]

That is part of the reason why I voted for you, because I think condors may be the seer, and he immediately voted for you after first wolf was destroyed. BrianD could also be calling out that he is the seer to distract the wolf from the actual seer.

[Joe]

I am the werewolf! Coo-coo-ca-choo!

[Joe]

nice collection of my quotes, btw. I hope its helpful. :)

[Mustang]

Man.. this is rough reading and not being able to assist. :p

[KWhit]

As far as the question of BrianD and KevinNU7 goes... I was leaning toward believing that BrianD was a werewolf, not the seer.

But, then KevinNU7 votes for condors??? That seems strange to me.

I know he has been saying he thinks condors is the wolf for a while, but BrianD has said, "KevinNU is the werewolf, everyone vote for him to end the game."

If that were said about me, I think I'd want to vote against that person - especially if I knew that it was a lie.

But Kevin stayed with condors. That may mean that Kevin is the seer and condors really is the wolf.

[Warhammer]

But Kevin has not really given us any reason to believe condors is the wolf. Why would GWB vote for condors before the end was in doubt, so to speak.

Now is the wolf BrianD or KevinNU is a better question. I think it is telling that condors, without any other words voted immediately for KevinNU. That is important, if you are the seer, you do not want to give it away, and even if you say you are the seer, people may not believe you. Alternatively, he could be the sorceror, and trying to throw us off the trail of BrianD.

[KWhit]

I guess we should assume that BrianD is telling the truth. Coming right out and saying you're the seer is very dangerous. He should know that if we follow his advice by voting for KevinNU and it turns out he was lying, then he's gotta be next. So a smart player would never make such a bold statement unless it were true. Right?

So... I vote KevinNU

[Eaglesfan27]

I keep trying to analyze this and overanalyze this. However, KWhit just said it best. There is no reason that BrianD should have lied as if he did, he is certainly the next to die.

Therefore, I vote KevinNU7

[Qwikshot]

I keep trying to analyze this and overanalyze this. However, KWhit just said it best. There is no reason that BrianD should have lied as if he did, he is certainly the next to die.

Therefore, I vote KevinNU7

All I know is I want to be eaten next game.

[Fonzie]

I vote KevinNU7.

[KWhit]

Kevin better do some fancy talking if he wants to avoid dangling from the ceiling.

[BrianD]

I'm a little surprised that there is such doubt about my claim of being the seer. I guess this game really does well breeding paranoia. :) As it is, I believe we now have two votes for KevinNU and one for Condors. Pretty interesting that KevinNU said he wasn't the wolf, so I must be....and then voted for Condors.

I wish I could out the sorcerer, but I haven't seen him yet. If it comes down to it...I could out the hunter...

[Warhammer]

I counted 6 votes for KevinNU... You just better be right, or you're swinging from the ceiling next!

[Eaglesfan27]

I strongly suspect he is right.

[Joe]

[QUOTE=BrianD

I wish I could out the sorcerer, but I haven't seen him yet.[/QUOTE]


Are you sure about that? I thought I saw the sorcerer helping me before I got lynched.. or was that a wolf? :eek:


:D

[BrianD]

[QUOTE=BrianD

I wish I could out the sorcerer, but I haven't seen him yet.


Are you sure about that? I thought I saw the sorcerer helping me before I got lynched.. or was that a wolf? :eek:


:D[/QUOTE]

I'm a little surprised KevinNU didn't claim to be the sorcerer. That would provide a pretty good explanation on why his votes were in line with those of GWB. The real sorcerer would have known he was lying, but probably wouldn't have said anything since they are on the same side. I'm not sure if this would have been enough to shift the votes off of him, but it might have been interesting.

[Lathum]

It's almost time !!!

[Peregrine]

Well the voting today was pretty quiet, it seems that most of you had someone in mind.

KevinNU7 (6) - Kwhit, Eaglesfan, Fonzie, BrianD, condors, warhammer
Condors (1) - KevinNU7

You all soberly decide to string Kevin up, this time being ready for any shenanigans. When your victim starts transforming into a werewolf you are ready, hitting him over the head and finishing the job. You've killed the second werewolf!

Game Over - Villagers Win!

[Qwikshot]

This was a cool game to watch!

[Peregrine]

List of roles

Peregrine - killed Night 1 (innkeeper)
KWhit - Villager
BrianD - Seer
Eaglesfan27 - Hunter
Fonzie - Villager
KevinNU7 - Lynched Day 3 (werewolf)
George W Bush - Lynched Day 2 (werewolf)
Mustang - killed Night 3 (villager)
Condors - Sorceror
Warhammer - Villager
Desnudo - killed Night 2 (villager)
Lathum - Lynched Day 1 (villager)


Good job guys! I was pretty surprised how quickly everyone turned against GWB, I thought the wolves were doing pretty well, but their voting patterns were a bit too in sync and I think that's what gave them away. The one way this game was different than most I've seen is that people generally picked someone to lynch and everyone piled on, instead of there being a lot of back and forth, several different people being suggested, etc. Live and learn I guess, this was the first game for everyone. The analysis was getting a lot better by the end of the game!

[Lathum]

Lets do it again!!!

btw, I voted for Condors. Bastards.

[Joe]

Well I was pretty close on the roles. At the time of my death, I had Eaglesfan as the hunter (his early posts led on to that) and Condors as the sorcerer (because of his posts when i was being voted for), but thought Mustang was the seer. 2 out of 3 ain't bad I guess.

[Peregrine]

BrianD did a very nice job in disguising himself as the seer, I think. People weren't sure what he was up to.

The next game I'm working on will be a lot bigger (I'm thinking between 16 and 19 players) and should allow several new people and most of the current people. If you're not interested in playing again and you were in this game, let me know. It should be pretty interesting since there will be more stuff going on.

I should have mentioned at the beginning of this game that the more active you can be when posting, the better. It doesn't have to be 20 posts a day or anything, but there were a few people who seemed to just show up, jump on the bandwagon and leave. Of course everyone has different schedules, I realize that. If you guys think changing the lynch time would help people be able to post a bit more, I'd be open to that. For the next game hopefully people will be as active as possible and more individualistic in voting. ;)

[Eaglesfan27]

Well I was pretty close on the roles. At the time of my death, I had Eaglesfan as the hunter (his early posts led on to that) and Condors as the sorcerer (because of his posts when i was being voted for), but thought Mustang was the seer. 2 out of 3 ain't bad I guess.
I'm a bit confused about how my posts led onto that. I thought I was playing the part of a simple villager fairly well.

[Eaglesfan27]

Well, to be fair, when there is good reasoning, there is no reason not to along with the voting ;)

As previously mentioned, I'm interested in participating again :)

[Warhammer]

I for one am definitely up for the next one!

[KWhit]

Well done everybody!

I'm game for another round. That was hella fun.

[Peregrine]

Also I'd like to hear people's thoughts on whether the next game should be kept on the main board or moved to the dynasty area. I am fine either way.

Well, to be fair, when there is good reasoning, there is no reason not to along with the voting

Definitely true. However I would expect there to be more than one line of reasoning at work each time, and which is more convincing?

[KWhit]

Villagers rule!

Werewolves drool!

[Neuqua]

Me too, this thread was more entertaining than anything I've watched on television for a while.

[Joe]

I'm a bit confused about how my posts led onto that. I thought I was playing the part of a simple villager fairly well.


Maybe I was reading to much into your posts, but it was when you were talking about how you would provide the villagers with food and we needed you for survival. Or something to that effect. It appeared to me that you had some kind of special role.

[ntndeacon]

This has been a great thread. I want in the next game if possible!

[Joe]

and I would like to play again as well.

[KWhit]

and I would like to play again as well.

Shut up, werewolf.

[Joe]

Shut up, werewolf.


I am not a werewolf. I just play one in the game.

[Desnudo]

I would like to play, and hopefully live more than a day. I will also try not to lynch the seer next time.

[NoMyths]

I'd like to play in the next one as well.

[Peregrine]

Okay, the people I have heard from that are new and want to join the next game (some of them I'm just inferring from posts on this thread) are:

Jon
Swaggs
TazFTW
Airhog
Heybrad
NoMyths
Qwikshot
Neuqua
ntndeacon

I'm still trying to decide if everyone should be able to play or if a couple of the old may be left out.

[Mustang]

As stated before, I'd still like in again...

I'll post my rewrap after the furnace guy leaves..

$4K for a new furnace.. blah...

[Airhog]

Count me in!

[McSweeny]

this was tons of fun to read and i'd love to play in the next one

[Jon]

Awesome! I can't wait till it starts.

[Peregrine]

I'll post some more about the second game at work tonight, I don't think I'll be able to include all the new people and the old people so I may randomize it, if you get left out, don't worry, I'm sure you can get into the eventual third game.

For a starting time, we can either:

A) Start on Monday, having it as the first day of discussion

or

B) Start this weekend, probably allowing the whole weekend for one day turn since people have plans, etc

[Tigercat]

I also would like to play if there is room. This thread has been a lot of fun just to follow along with.

[BrianD]

I mentioned in a PM that I would love to play again. This game was pretty cool, and it helped get me through some annoying work days.

[BrianD]

It really doesn't matter, but I think my sight was less than perfect:

You certainly can. He's a villager.


Can I get a view of Condors?

[TazFTW]

That is in the rules. It says a sorceror shows up as a villager when the seer asks to see him.

[BrianD]

That is in the rules. It says a sorceror shows up as a villager when the seer asks to see him.

But a hunter shows up as a hunter?

[Mustang]

Now I can make some comments.

First, I'm not sure but, I might have caused some voting for BrianD this morning. I really thought BrianD was the werewolf. I thought he lied about KevinNU just to get him killed after the jackass comment and then would play it off as 'sorry guys, heat of the moment and I was really upset" after it was revealed KevinNU was a villager. He would then have had a 1 in 5 chance to kill off the real seer and try to continue the game. Risky.. heck ya but given the amount of heat on him anyways I could see him wanting to whack KevinNU. Of course, even if we did lynch BrianD.. after it was revealed he was the seer the game would have ended immediately.. *L*

For the game, activity definitely breeds both paranoia and insight into what everyone is thinking. I definitely took a chatty cathy approach which I was fearful of doing. Mostly because I thought that that if I did finger a werewolf correctly, it would end my game quickly but, I also thought if I was wrong that it would protect me in a way as I was supplying false information for the wolves. Overall though, more activity is better, that's for sure... the first lynching almost seems too random though although, for some reason, through Lathum's comments I did pick up that he was an innocent.

Will definitely be interesting in the future to try expanded rules. Read one about Wolf Packs where there are the villagers and 2 separate packs of wolves competing..

[BrianD]

I also took the chatty cathy approach. I figured the more people talked, the more people would have to talk about. I don't think I had anywhere near the analysis that Mustang did, but I tried to keep the conversation going. Another big goal of mine was to place a vote early in the day. I didn't necessarily plan on keeping my vote at the end, but it seemed to breed conversation. There was really never a time when I knew much of what was going on other than the last vote for KevinNU. After the first bad vote for Lathum, I was pretty sure that the wolves voted for Lathum to jump on the wrong bandwagon. Because of that, I had picked out Warhammer and Fonzie as probably wolves, but the more they talked the more I doubted myself. I'm not even sure what it was that convinced me to vote for GWB.

I do find it a little bit entertaining that Condors kept getting picked on by the wolves when he was the sorcerer. How tough must it have been to keep quiet in that situation?

[Eaglesfan27]

I was trying to strike the balance between not talking enough and breeding suspicion, and talking too much to the point where someone might want to kill me off just because i was too talkative. Certainly quite a few different strategies for the game.

[Mustang]

I was trying to strike the balance between not talking enough and breeding suspicion, and talking too much to the point where someone might want to kill me off just because i was too talkative. Certainly quite a few different strategies for the game.


Hell, I just thought you were talking when you felt good and when quiet, you weren't up to talking. :)

[Eaglesfan27]

Hell, I just thought you were talking when you felt good and when quiet, you weren't up to talking. :)

Well certainly my early morning into even early afternoon silence was because of not feeling well/sleeping late. I was talking more about my times when I was awake and feeling ok :)

[korme]

As I stated before, I'd like to participate nexttime.

[Joe]

hey BrianD, I'm just wondering who you viewed and when. Give us a little insight?

[Peregrine]

But a hunter shows up as a hunter?

This was really my mistake. The seer should see if a person is a wolf, or human, that's it, not anyone's special role, except possibly one special role. I'll try to clarify this before the second game.

[BrianD]

hey BrianD, I'm just wondering who you viewed and when. Give us a little insight?

At the start of the game, everyone was jumping on JeeberD, so I asked to view him first. Since he got replaced by Eaglesfan27, I kept the same viewing and saw that he was a hunter. (Apparently I wasn't supposed to know that he was anything other than human).

My next viewing was on Condors. Since he got so many votes (aside from Lathum), I wanted to see if I was missing anything. He showed up as being human.

At this point, after the successful lynching of our first wolf, I figured that KevinNU7 was the other wolf. I viewed him to verify and found that I was right.

[Joe]

ahh. I figured I was viewed since the mob turned on me so fast. Guess not.

[BrianD]

ahh. I figured I was viewed since the mob turned on me so fast. Guess not.

No, for some reason when you were pushing for JeeberD to go, I got suspicious of you. I think Mustang probably convinced me when he made a case and then voted for you.

[Swaggs]

Awesome game, guys.

It was fun to follow.

[Fonzie]

I'd like to re-up, if there's room.

This was a blast.

[Fonzie]

Dola-

Many thanks, Peregrine!

[Peregrine]

Okay, here's what I did. I took all the new people that have expressed interest (12 of them) and put them with the old players, then just did a random number generator to see who gets to play the next game. I'll be allowing 19 for the next one (it's going to be crazy!) so at least only a few will be left out.

Players for the new game:

Jon
Swaggs
TazFTW
Airhog
NoMyths
Qwikshot
Neuqua
ntndeacon
McSweeny
Shorty
Kwhit
Mustang
BrianD
Condors
Eaglesfan
GWB
KevinNU7
Desnudo
Lathum


Sorry Warhammer, Fonzie, Tigercat, and Heybrad. I figured this was the fairest way to do it.

If you think you'll be absent for any substantial part of the next several days or won't be able to play for some other reason, let me know, we will use the others as alternates.

[Joe]

good stuff.

[Fonzie]

:(

Oh well. Have fun everyone!

[korme]

The fairest way would have been automatically toss in the new guys, and then random number generate the old players to see who gets to play again. Kinda unfair to someone like heybrad, who has to watch twice now, methinks.

But I'm in so who's complainin! Let the games begin!

[Peregrine]

I've started the thread for Game 2:

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=40127

[Peregrine]

The fairest way would have been automatically toss in the new guys, and then random number generate the old players to see who gets to play again. Kinda unfair to someone like heybrad, who has to watch twice now, methinks

I did think about this too, however I wanted the old players to have a chance too, and not start with a whole new blank slate of people. In future games I will give preference to newer players though, so that the same people don't play every time.

[KevinNU7]

Just like to send out a quick apology to BrainD now that everything is said and done. Mainly called you a jackass to try and make you look like a jackass :)

By the way, Condors was the worst Sorceror ever :) The goal is for you to have the Werewolf win, I can't believe you didn't chime in and say, "I'm the sorceror, not BrianD"

[condors]

being the sorc is a tough spot, you have no idea who the wolves are, you want the wolves to win, you also want to avoid getting eaten or lynched

I tried to pretend i was a villager and hopefully the wolves would get enough of them

[BrianD]

Just like to send out a quick apology to BrainD now that everything is said and done. Mainly called you a jackass to try and make you look like a jackass :)


No worries. I figured (hoped) it was just a game strategy. :)
You did get me to out myself as the seer, and people almost didn't believe me. The strategy nearly worked.

[KevinNU7]

Well I was really hoping the seer was a moron and jsut hadn't viewed me yet. Then I was hoping to get really lucky and kill the seer with my next turn. But you had to say you were the seer :)

[Warhammer]

I forget what it was that GWB did, but I figured early on that GWB was a wolf. That was why I was so quick to jump on the GWB bandwagon, I thought he was either the sorceror or a wolf and either way it would be a win for the villagers.

Kevin got me suspicious with his initial vote and the speed with which he jumped on my "I am the werewolf" comment.

[BrianD]

Well I was really hoping the seer was a moron and jsut hadn't viewed me yet. Then I was hoping to get really lucky and kill the seer with my next turn. But you had to say you were the seer :)

I wasn't planning on revealing it in case I wasn't believed, but then you called me a jackass and a not very smart person so I felt I had to defend my self. :)

[KevinNU7]

Kevin got me suspicious with his initial vote and the speed with which he jumped on my "I am the werewolf" comment.
Well that was jsut a joke. I probably would have doen the same thing even if I was only a villager

[Warhammer]

Yeah, seems like it would be right up his alley. Then again, maybe he and BrianD are both werewolves, and knew that you'd see through it, deflecting suspicion of BrianD. Lots of mind games going on. Seems like Eaglesfan is having a long nap after eating Desnudo. And don't forget that he has the same role Jeeber had, and a good number of us were suspicious of Jeeber. EF was on my list yesterday, and this is starting to make sense.

That is where I became suspicious of GWB, but I did not think he was the werewolf until later. But this is where I definitely knew he was not on the villagers side.

[Warhammer]

Well that was jsut a joke. I probably would have doen the same thing even if I was only a villager

This is what got me thinking about you as the wolf:

Interesting death with Desundo going, who IMO didn't seem like too much of a threat. Maybe he was on to something with his vote. Could he be the seerer?!

But I was not sure, until GWB became clear about being a baddy, and then I looked at how your votes kind of interacted, but I had no definite proof, until yours and BrianD's exchange.