Werewolf XIX: Return to the Forest - Night(4)

[Barkeep49]

Grammaticus is the witness. That should be clear by now. I thought he was the seer pretending to be the witness. I was wrong. But we should be able to agree, without a doubt, that his netting of a wolf on Day 2 makes him the witness. Voting against a known villager? That's a voting offense.

Vote Raiders Army

[Raiders Army]

Grammaticus is the witness. That should be clear by now. I thought he was the seer pretending to be the witness. I was wrong. But we should be able to agree, without a doubt, that his netting of a wolf on Day 2 makes him the witness. Voting against a known villager? That's a voting offense.

Vote Raiders Army
He only claims to be the witness. There may or may not be one in this game.

Primary Roles

Werewolf - You belong to a pack of werewolves.
Villager - You are a villager, and your sole purpose is to survive.
Seer - You are the seer, and can view the true identity of a man or wolf. Each night you may choose to view the true identity (pertaining only to wolf/villager) of one player.
Herbalist - You possess a bag of wolfsbane, the deadliest herb known to all wolfkind. Each night, you may choose to protect someone by slipping wolfsbane upon him. You may not choose the same person two nights in a row. You may, however, choose yourself.
Secret Role(s) - There are secret role(s) in this game.

[Grammaticus]

I am again going to start the day with my vote as

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

I’ve laid it out in prior posts. I also feel Dubbs post for RA on day two says something. Dub used the word “role” out of context to id RA and in parenthesis. I think he was telling us that he (Dubb) had a role and was identifying RA as a wolf. Hindsight is 20/20, but all the same, it is one of the reasons why I felt good about Dubb before he was lynched.

Reposting to reflect the error in naming Dubb where I intended to name Dacman.

I am again going to start the day with my vote as

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

I’ve laid it out in prior posts. I also feel Dacmans post for RA on day two says something. Dacman used the word “role” out of context to id RA and in parenthesis. I think he was telling us that he (Dacman) had a role and was identifying RA as a wolf. Hindsight is 20/20, but all the same, it is one of the reasons why I felt good about Dacman before he was lynched.

[Barkeep49]

He only claims to be the witness. There may or may not be one in this game.
Well the two of us already know there are roles not in the rules so that isn't a totally convincing argument for me. What is the scenario you are suggesting instead?

[Poli]

I don't think he can.

[McSweeny]

He only claims to be the witness. There may or may not be one in this game.yeah so he just happened to nail a wolf? nice try RA

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[Raiders Army]

Gotta roll to a meeting. Be right back in about an hour.

[Blade6119]

VOTE BARKEEP

[Grammaticus]

Well, now that dacman has been outed as the seer, it is fairly clear that I am not a seer. I guess there could be 2 seers, but not likely enough to try and work that angle. I didn’t say anything before, because I though it was clever of ardent to suggest seer, maybe making the wolves go for me thinking they were getting the seer. Bottom line is, I Witnessed the killing and reported it. Yeah RA, I don’t think I need to spend a lot of time trying to defend now.

A wolf is not going to sacrifice another wolf just for deception, that is silly. There may be 3 wolves, you can’t afford to let one go for any reason. Would you sacrifice one third of the villagers to trick the wolves? Sacrificing so much for something that does not ensure a win does not make sense. It just doesn’t pay off in the long run.

The following is not a defense of me, but a shedding of light upon RA. RA, you are wolfish in your attempt to get villagers to vote for me. It could be because you are angry that I am pushing you as a wolf. But, then it is not in the best interest of the villagers to lynch me, so acting in anger does not help. It could also mean that you want to try and get the villagers to waste a lynch on me to help the wolves reduce their ratio and ensure a wolf does not get lynched in my place. Probably the second option, either way not good for villagers. I think you have to go, just because you are the most likely wolf.

[Poli]

Off to work, guys. I'll see you about this time tomorrow, I'd guess.

[Raiders Army]

Well the two of us already know there are roles not in the rules so that isn't a totally convincing argument for me. What is the scenario you are suggesting instead?
Hmmm...at this point, I'm not suggesting a scenario. I'm not positively sure Grammaticus is a wolf.

The ones I think may be wolves are you (Barkeep) and Blade. Even then, I'm not so sure.

[Raiders Army]

The following is not a defense of me, but a shedding of light upon RA. RA, you are wolfish in your attempt to get villagers to vote for me. It could be because you are angry that I am pushing you as a wolf. But, then it is not in the best interest of the villagers to lynch me, so acting in anger does not help. It could also mean that you want to try and get the villagers to waste a lynch on me to help the wolves reduce their ratio and ensure a wolf does not get lynched in my place. Probably the second option, either way not good for villagers. I think you have to go, just because you are the most likely wolf.
So this is the only wolfish thing I've done? LOL.

Anyhow, as I posted above, I am not sure you are a wolf. I agree I have to go because I am most likely a wolf, although I can assure you that I'm not. I'm sure the wolves thought I would point to the Pennywisesb defense of how it looks like I'm "framed" by voting for him yesterday. I just can't think of a reason to kill Pennywisesb unless they thought he was the bodyguard.

I'm trying to leave my thoughts out there for now so after I'm dead I can continue on. On the other hand, I think I've mucked up this game enough I deserve to die. :)

[dubb93]

I guess it is time to come clean. I was given the special role of empath. It gives me the ability to check 2 sentences from the game and determine if the person that said them were telling the truth or not.

Last night I decided to use up both of my chances and checked the following 2 sentences.

Also, simple villager checking in.

That was a quote from RA in post #67. RPI said he was telling the truth.

The other sentence I checked was...

Villager checking in.

That is a quote from TazTFW in post #66. RPI said he was lieing.

I made this move b/c my role is completely used up, and it allows us to get a wolf. RA is not the right vote tonight, Taz is. He's played under the radar the whole game, he's a wolf, I have the proof.

VOTE TazFTW

[Raiders Army]

In that case,

UNVOTE GRAMMATICUS
VOTE TAZFTW

[Raiders Army]

Also, to be clear here are the numbers:

10 of us left. We can assume there are at probably two wolves left, maybe three.

Worst case scenario is three wolves left. If we make the wrong move today, it's 6-3 villagers. After the night phase, it's 5-3 villagers. This is obviously not an endgame gambit.

[Grammaticus]

I guess it is time to come clean. I was given the special role of empath. It gives me the ability to check 2 sentences from the game and determine if the person that said them were telling the truth or not.

Last night I decided to use up both of my chances and checked the following 2 sentences.



That was a quote from RA in post #67. RPI said he was telling the truth.

The other sentence I checked was...



That is a quote from TazTFW in post #66. RPI said he was lieing.

I made this move b/c my role is completely used up, and it allows us to get a wolf. RA is not the right vote tonight, Taz is. He's played under the radar the whole game, he's a wolf, I have the proof.

VOTE TazFTW
Hmm, the game takes a bizarre turn, talk about shifting gears.

Edit - That is a cool special ability

[Raiders Army]

Please don't edit your posts.

[Schmidty]

Please don't edit your posts.

I personally wouldn't, but RPI said earlier that he didn't mind as long as it wasn't a voting post.

[TazFTW]

The other sentence I checked was...



That is a quote from TazTFW in post #66. RPI said he was lieing.

I made this move b/c my role is completely used up, and it allows us to get a wolf. RA is not the right vote tonight, Taz is. He's played under the radar the whole game, he's a wolf, I have the proof.

VOTE TazFTW
Load of BS! I am a villager and dubb has just outed himself as a badguy.

VOTE DUBB93

[dubb93]

Load of BS! I am a villager and dubb has just outed himself as a badguy.

VOTE DUBB93

Nice try wolf :rolleyes: . Next time try not and play the quiet game. If you were active and not on the block like RA, there is no way I would have suspected you, but I hate the quiet ones. That made you suspect enough to take a shot on.

[McSweeny]

seems like a no-brainer to me. If Taz turns out to be innocent, we'll be able to nail two wolves in RA and Dubb. If Taz is a wolf we've cleared two more villagers. Excellent

UNVOTE RAIDERS ARMY

VOTE TAZFTW

[Schmidty]

Well, this it. If Dubb is right, we can find the other wolf by going back through posts. If he isn't a wolf, Dubb was lying and that means RA and him are going down.

[TazFTW]

Interestingly enough that if I were a werewolf and I see from the other games that people seem to trust the talkitive ones, wouldn't a werewolf try to 'fit' in by being one of the talkitive ones?

[Grammaticus]

Interestingly enough that if I were a werewolf and I see from the other games that people seem to trust the talkitive ones, wouldn't a werewolf try to 'fit' in by being one of the talkitive ones?
That could be a point to argue, but Dubb’s ability uncovers your post stating you are a villager to be a lie. The quite part just indicates why he chose to review your post versus someone else’s.

[dubb93]

Interestingly enough that if I were a werewolf and I see from the other games that people seem to trust the talkitive ones, wouldn't a werewolf try to 'fit' in by being one of the talkitive ones?

I suppose it is possible, but like I said I'm the empath. If I was lieing at this point it would be stupid. I'd be giving the villagers 2 wolves. That wouldn't make any sense. RA is a villager, I'm the empath, and you are a wolf. It's really that simple.

[Schmidty]

Now that I think of it, if Dubb and RA really are wolves, why would they sacrifice themselves by obviously lying and killing a villager? The only thing I can think of is that they know that if one more villager is killed they will win somehow by tommorow. Basically, this vote could be do-or-die for the us villagers. I'm hesitant to vote either way.

[WVUFAN]

I suppose it is possible, but like I said I'm the empath. If I was lieing at this point it would be stupid. I'd be giving the villagers 2 wolves. That wouldn't make any sense. RA is a villager, I'm the empath, and you are a wolf. It's really that simple
Good Point. VOTE TAZZFTW

[TazFTW]

Now that I think of it, if Dubb and RA really are wolves, why would they sacrifice themselves by obviously lying and killing a villager? The only thing I can think of is that they know that if one more villager is killed they will win somehow by tommorow. Basically, this vote could be do-or-die for the us villagers. I'm hesitant to vote either way.
Well there are 10 left. Lynch me and its down to 9. Maybe the wolves have a 2 kill wolf on their side or have friends that will give the wolves the win in a tie.

[Grammaticus]

Now that I think of it, if Dubb and RA really are wolves, why would they sacrifice themselves by obviously lying and killing a villager? The only thing I can think of is that they know that if one more villager is killed they will win somehow by tommorow. Basically, this vote could be do-or-die for the us villagers. I'm hesitant to vote either way.
How could the wolves still win in that scenario?

[Schmidty]

How could the wolves still win in that scenario?

I don't know. I just don't trust Dubb or RA, or ANYONE for that matter. I guess it makes more sense that Dubb is telling the truth, since there seems to be no way the wolves could benefit from him lying. I hope I'm right.

Vote TAZFTW

[dubb93]

Now that I think of it, if Dubb and RA really are wolves, why would they sacrifice themselves by obviously lying and killing a villager? The only thing I can think of is that they know that if one more villager is killed they will win somehow by tommorow. Basically, this vote could be do-or-die for the us villagers. I'm hesitant to vote either way.

10 people left. IF I was lieing, which I'm not, then that would mean that even after Saldana's death, and no no kills at night(a no kill could either be a bodyguard type protecting or a possible conversion) THAT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE 4 WOLVES LEFT. That is beyond highly unlikely that of 16 people starting there would be 5 wolves.

I'm telling the truth, this isn't anything stupid. I'm simply the empath, I checked RA and Taz and found Taz to be a wolf. If I'm lieing I would be giving the villagers 2 wolves. It would be stupid. Taz is a wolf and RA is a villager. Do the right thing guys.

[TazFTW]

I'm not voting for Barkeep or RA since they both have been wolves in the last game they played, thus in my mind making it less likely they are a wolf this game.
That is from post 90. The reason I mention it is because RA played last game and he was not a wolf. Last game was the assassin/noble game and me, Mr. W, and McSweeny were the assassins. If you want to believe this statement then I being an assassin in the last game would not be a werewolf this game. Or you can see it for what it is and it is dubb protecting another werewolf.

I'm not sure we're doing the right thing right now with Dubb. Like the last game, someone who's vocal on Day 1 is probably not a wolf. I have a few thoughts but will wait an hour or so to post them (just a theory I have) and also post my vote.
Post 161. Proves my theory of fitting in.

Dacman is next if they don't get over this stupid shit. I've done nothing but try and help and they seem willing to tie a noose around my neck at every corner.
Post 172. It should be noted that dacman, the seer voted for dubb93 twice.

[TazFTW]

dola

The board flaking out on me is really making it difficult to defend myself.

[dubb93]

I have some last minute shopping I have to do. I'm heading to indy here in just a few minutes. I'll try to be back b/f the deadline, but can't make any promises. It's an hour drive, probably shop for less than an hour, but I've heard traffic is horrible up there.

There really isn't anything more I can say, I used my power and saw Taz to be wolf. If anyone has any other questions post them and if I get back in time I'll be happy to answer them. Please, just make the right decision. We don't need to lynch another innocent tonight.

[Blade6119]

god it is hard to not get involved in this

[Raiders Army]

To me, the math is simple. There is no way the wolves win today. Why make the play?

If you go with dubb and are right, we nab a wolf.
If you don't go with dubb, you know that both he and I are wolves.

How is this not hard?

[TazFTW]

dacman was the seer. He voted for dubb93 twice and then Raiders Army. I'm switching my vote from one wolf to the wolf with the most votes.

UNVOTE DUBB93
VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[Raiders Army]

dacman was the seer. He voted for dubb93 twice and then Raiders Army. I'm switching my vote from one wolf to the wolf with the most votes.

UNVOTE DUBB93
VOTE RAIDERS ARMY
Obviously in self-defense. Why don't you say that, wolf? :rolleyes:

[Barkeep49]

Blade I'd like to hear what you have to say. Please remember we're not in a huge time crunch as we have until tomorrow morning as a deadline.

Oh and while I try and construct what all the angles of this latest revelation are

Unvote Raiders Army

[Barkeep49]

1) st.cronin: Lynched, Day(1), Regular Villager
2) Raiders Army
3) dacman: Lynched, Day(3), Seer
4) pennywisesb: Killed, Night(3)
5) Schmidty
6) Blade6119
7) McSweeny
8) ardent enthusiast
9) SnDvls: Killed, Night(2)
10) Grammaticus
11) TazTFW
12) saldana: Lynched, Day(2), Werewolf
13) Barkeep49
14) kingfc22: Killed, Night(1)
15) WVUFAN
16) dubb93

There are 10 players left. There are likely 2 or 3 wolves.

In the worse case scenario there are 7 villagers and 3 wolves.

If Dubb is lying:
Today we kill Taz. 6 villagers 3 wolves. Wolves kill tonight. 5 villagers 3 wolves. We kill Dubb tomorrow as a wolf. 5 to 2 villagers. Even after a wolf kill that still leaves the villagers up 4 to 2. The wolves would have to be confident that they would not be killed two days from now, when there would be a 1/3 chance of it happening, for this play to make sense. That's a pretty bold move for the wolves here then. It only makes sense if RA is NOT a wolf as based on the circumstances he has benefitted the most from this revelation and thus would seem likely to be once again on the block two days from now and so perhaps the wolves were thinking that we kill RA and then they end the game that night. Counting on the mood of what villagers will be like two days from now seems pretty risky if they have 3 wolves. And if they only have two wolves the numbers just don't make sense.

Therefore I'm inclined to believe Dubb.

Vote TazTFW

[Grammaticus]

god it is hard to not get involved in this
Why are you trying to not get involved? We are pretty much going to lynch Taz. If you think that is bad, lets hear it.

I am inclined to believe Dubb and go with the Taz lynch. If Taz is not a wolf, then the path is clearer. If Taz is a wolf, that would be one wolf down and RA in the clear.

[Raiders Army]

Isn't that what I said in post 515, just a little bit less eloquently? ;)

I'm out for a while...probably the night. Good luck to the villagers and let's cut them down to one or two wolves tonight.

[Raiders Army]

Why are you trying to not get involved? We are pretty much going to lynch Taz. If you think that is bad, lets hear it.

I am inclined to believe Dubb and go with the Taz lynch. If Taz is not a wolf, then the path is clearer. If Taz is a wolf, that would be one wolf down and RA in the clear.
Remember my post a page ago. I think Blade might have been backing my losing play because he knows I'm a villager and it would clear him.

Just a possibility, but maybe not a probability.

I'm out for now.

[TazFTW]

Why would you believe someone who "outs their role" when you know someone was a seer and was voting as such?


Seriously? DACMAN WAS A SEER and HE VOTED FOR DUBB93 and RAIDERS ARMY. WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED?

[preedit]Of course I just noticed that in the first dubb93 post I quoted, he is protecting BOTH barkeep and Raiders Army.

[Barkeep49]

Isn't that what I said in post 515, just a little bit less eloquently? ;)

Yes but I needed to think about it myself and figured it couldn't hurt to post my thoughts as if there is a flaw in my thinking I'd want someone to point it out. I had originally planned to do what if Dubb was telling the truth but the evidence from him lying was so strong I didn't even go there.

[Grammaticus]

UNVOTE RAIDERS ARMY

VOTE TAZFTW

I'm going with the most likely outcome on the table. I think Dubb is probably on the up and up. Some of his past votes and comments are problematic, but if he used his ability last night, then let's roll and see where it goes.


Oh, Barkeep, you did not spell Taz's name right, so you may want to repost your vote.

[TazFTW]

:sigh: I give up. If people choose not to believe the seer then so be it. The game is over.

[Barkeep49]

Oh, Barkeep, you did not spell Taz's name right, so you may want to repost your vote.

Thanks. I always do that :). RA said he doesn't really care but just to make sure

Vote TazFTW

[Grammaticus]

:sigh: I give up. If people choose not to believe the seer then so be it. The game is over.
There is no telling if the seer viewed RA or Dubb. He only used his ability twice. He could have looked at Ardent and Pennywise, etc.

[TazFTW]

There is no telling if the seer viewed RA or Dubb. He only used his ability twice. He could have looked at Ardent and Pennywise, etc.
Whatever...

[Barkeep49]

Ok I finally bothered to do a search of how to do this. I hope this helps in future days. I have one for today as well but I will post that during the next night cycle when it's complete.

<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cols="3" frame="void" rules="groups"> <colgroup><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="394"></colgroup> <tbody> <tr> <td align="left" height="17" width="86">9) SnDvls</td> <td align="left" width="86">Ardent</td> <td align="left" width="394">Been too quiet</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">12) saldana</td> <td align="left">Dubb</td> <td align="left">Talks a lot; not killed</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">3) dacman</td> <td align="left">dubb</td> <td align="left">Agrees with saldana</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">10) Grammaticus</td> <td align="left">Saldana</td> <td align="left">Wants people to not vote because he is a wolf</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">8) ardent enthusiast</td> <td align="left">Sndvls</td> <td align="left">Doesn't like sndvls reason for voting for him</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">16) dubb93 </td> <td align="left">saldana</td> <td align="left">Believes saldana is stupid for voting for him; trusts grammaticus</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Raiders Army</td> <td align="left">Pennywise</td> <td align="left">Votes for a nonvoter</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">6) Blade6119</td> <td align="left">saldana</td> <td align="left">Believes grammaticus is sending a signal</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">7) McSweeny</td> <td align="left">saldana</td> <td align="left">No explanation</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">15) WVUFAN</td> <td align="left">saldana</td> <td align="left">Believes grammaticus once</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Blade</td> <td align="left">Mcsweeny</td> <td align="left">Wants it on the record he voted for McSweeny</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">SnDvls</td> <td align="left">Raiders</td> <td align="left">Doesn't want to be on a bandwagon</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Ardent</td> <td align="left">Raiders</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Barkeep49</td> <td align="left">Raiders</td> <td align="left">Posted info he knows to be flase</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">4) pennywisesb</td> <td align="left">Raiders</td> <td align="left">Agrees with Barkeep</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">11) TazTFW</td> <td align="left">Raiders</td> <td align="left">No explanation</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">5) Schmidty</td> <td align="left">saldana</td> <td align="left">No explanation</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Dacman</td> <td align="left">saldana</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Saldana</td> <td align="left">Raiders</td> <td align="left">Self preservation</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Dubb</td> <td align="left">Dacman</td> <td align="left">Finds dacman to be inconsistent with votes</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Ardent</td> <td align="left">Barkeep49</td> <td align="left">Belives Raiders</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Barkeep49</td> <td align="left">saldana</td> <td align="left">Belives Grammaticus</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">SnDvls</td> <td align="left">Saldana</td> <td align="left">Going with sure thing</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cols="3" frame="void" rules="groups"> <colgroup><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="365"></colgroup> <tbody> <tr> <td align="left" height="32" width="86">2) Raiders Army</td> <td align="left" width="86">Ardent</td> <td align="left" width="365">Thinks sndvls was killed because of ardent's vote for sndvls</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">8) ardent enthusiast</td> <td align="left">Raiders</td> <td align="left">Smells a setup</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">10) Grammaticus</td> <td align="left">Raiders</td> <td align="left">Feels Raiders facilitated shift to cronin on day 1</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">6) Blade6119</td> <td align="left">Barkeep49</td> <td align="left">Has been a leading candidate despite other strange plays</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Dubb</td> <td align="left">Pennywise</td> <td align="left">Has posted complete fluff</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Raiders</td> <td align="left">pennywise</td> <td align="left">Voted yesterday and is still suspicous</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">3) dacman</td> <td align="left">Raiders</td> <td align="left">Thinks sndvls died because he started votes for raiders</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">13) Barkeep49</td> <td align="left">Dacman</td> <td align="left">Good playing for newcomer</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Raiders</td> <td align="left">dacman</td> <td align="left">Revenge vote and unsure about penny</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Ardent</td> <td align="left">dacman</td> <td align="left">Has no solid reason</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">5) Schmidty</td> <td align="left">dacman</td> <td align="left">No reason given</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">11) TazTFW</td> <td align="left">dacman</td> <td align="left">No reason given</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">15) WVUFAN</td> <td align="left">Barkeep49</td> <td align="left">Too eager to go after dac</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">7) McSweeny</td> <td align="left">Barkeep49</td> <td align="left">Doesn't think reasoning behind dac's vote is consistent</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Barkeep49</td> <td align="left">Raiders</td> <td align="left">Strange voting; doesn't like dac bandwagon</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

[McSweeny]

There is no telling if the seer viewed RA or Dubb. He only used his ability twice. He could have looked at Ardent and Pennywise, etc.exactly

[TazFTW]

exactly
:sigh again: The wolves win. They have 4 (or 3 and a sorceror/bribed villager/etc..) and lynching me clinches their win.

[Barkeep49]

:sigh again: The wolves win. They have 4 (or 3 and a sorceror/bribed villager/etc..) and lynching me clinches their win.
So they started with FIVE people? That seems absurd. Don't forget there has been a kill every night so there isn't a cursed villager that has been activated if it follows typical WW rules.

[TazFTW]

Seriously screw the deadline. Lynch me and end this game now.

[Blade6119]

Why are you trying to not get involved? We are pretty much going to lynch Taz. If you think that is bad, lets hear it.

I am inclined to believe Dubb and go with the Taz lynch. If Taz is not a wolf, then the path is clearer. If Taz is a wolf, that would be one wolf down and RA in the clear.

i said i wouldnt comment past my vote for barkeep(which im keeping), but ill toss a few random thoughts out there as food for thought.

*Saldana targeted dubb and was pushing hard to get him killed, making dubb look clear to me.

*It could be that both taz and raiders are innocent and dubb is a wolf...he figures you kill raiders(who had a bazillion votes at the time) you then kill taz thinking dubb was telling the truth. If you kill taz and see hes a villager, he has 50-50 odds we kill raiders first.

*the most important point of all, though i havent seen taz play to it and if he does now ill be doubtful, but the phrase was villager checking in...it seems within reason that if he was the bodyguard/doctor(a possibility, since we havent lynched him and we dont know the roles of night kills) RPI might say it was false...i doubt this is the case, just food for though.

*gramat - seer had 3 views, as there was a night 0...dont forget that...but dacman is new so i doubt he knew who to scan as the best players...and he left absolutely no clues which tells me he hit diddly squat.

*I STILL WANT TO BLOODY KNOW ABOUT THIS POSSE...RAIDERS IS IN IT, AS IS BARKEEP AND I THOUGHT SUN...THEY SAID THERE IS A THIRD...IF ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS POSSE IS A KEY PLAYER IN THIS VOTE WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS. OTHERWISE IM STARTING TO WONDER IF THE POSSE ISNT A FAKE ROLE REVEAL.

*The wolves has targeted the quiter players, the ones with no real ties to controversy. Sun accusing ardent before switching two more times to other people is odd. Wolves want to kill people that are going to put heat on other villagers. You dont kill the guy nobody cares about, you kill the guy accusing another villager. So if their not killing people like me(who has had 0 votes on himself this game while accusing a certain few) there must be a reason. That leads me to believe im barking up the right tree, as killing me would draw attention to whoever i attacked. Killing penny leaves us all clueless. The first would be more beneficial to the wolves if i wasnt accusing any wolves. Thats why im sticking to my guns.

[TazFTW]

*the most important point of all, though i havent seen taz play to it and if he does now ill be doubtful, but the phrase was villager checking in...it seems within reason that if he was the bodyguard/doctor(a possibility, since we havent lynched him and we dont know the roles of night kills) RPI might say it was false...i doubt this is the case, just food for though.

I'm just a plain villager. Not special powers what so ever.

[TazFTW]

Seriously screw the deadline. Lynch me and end this game now.

UNVOTE RAIDERS ARMY
VOTE TAZFTW

[McSweeny]

UNVOTE RAIDERS ARMY
VOTE TAZFTWpulling a mcsweeny i see

actually though, when i pulled this move i was a villager

[TazFTW]

pulling a mcsweeny i see

actually though, when i pulled this move i was a villager

I wonder....

[Blade6119]

me too...i was willing to kill myself today an im good...im not near as sold on taz as i am on barkeep....i still dont buy this role reveal by dubb...i could have bought lovers role or something else, but its been a few games since empath was a role and since RPI likes it simple i dont really buy this role reveal...Want to hear a crazy thought? Barkeep and Dubb or Barkeep, Dubb, and Raiders...if taz is good...if bad, then im wrong again

[Barkeep49]

Without revealing too much about the posse, in case we need to verify claims of being a posse member later on, individual posse members have the ability to kill someone at night. There are a rather lengthy set of restrictions which will not be mentioned here, but that is the short summary of what the posse is Blade. I'm glad you're posting since even though you're wrong with me, I think you've had other good insights this game.

[Barkeep49]

Also I think the "setup kill" is the most over rated thing in Werewolf. I think it's far more likely that the remaining wolves haven't aroused any real suspicion, as Taz had not, and thus wanted as many different people to argue as possible. Generally as a wolf I wanted the quieter players around. With so many different "loud" people saying so many different things we could have been missing the boat completely on the wolves. Somewhat selfishly I'm glad for this strategy, but I really think if Dubb pans out that after saldana they've been working hard to stay under the radar.

[WVUFAN]

My reason for voting for Taz is that Dubb doesn't really have a reason for lying -- if he is, he's next on the lynch post, which makes little sense if he's a wolf. Since Taz says he has no secret roles, there can't be some sort of out, so either Dubb is telling the truth, and Taz is a wolf, or he's not, he's solely responsible for the death of an innocent, and he'll be next on the block, for certain.

So I ask again -- WHY would Dubb lie?

VOTE TazFTW

[TazFTW]

LYNCH ME ALREADY!

[WVUFAN]

LYNCH ME ALREADY!
...

Something ... something's not kosher here. I've reviewed all of Taz's posts, and I've not seen anything that even remotely made me think he was a wolf until Dubb came out with this -- why did Dubb wait until NOW to use his ability?

There's something going on here. This doesn't feel right. I believe Taz.

UNVOTE TazFTW
VOTE DUBB

[Blade6119]

My reason for voting for Taz is that Dubb doesn't really have a reason for lying -- if he is, he's next on the lynch post, which makes little sense if he's a wolf. Since Taz says he has no secret roles, there can't be some sort of out, so either Dubb is telling the truth, and Taz is a wolf, or he's not, he's solely responsible for the death of an innocent, and he'll be next on the block, for certain.

So I ask again -- WHY would Dubb lie?

VOTE TazFTW

Heres one gigantic reason...Raiders is a wolf...if thats the case, and then you can assume dubb is, it makes all the sense in the world. Raiders was down like 7-1 in votes? This lie(if it is) single handidly saved him today. Its a numbers game, and if raiders is a wolf they get two villagers today instead of losing a wolf. Makes all the sense in the world if thats the case.

If that is the case though, bad thoughts arise...they are either closer to the win then we think(if we lost 2 villagers today, it would take us two days to kill dubb and raider so we lose two more villagers....thats at least 4 of the 10 left, and all they need is 1-1 ratio). That also would mean we still have 3 wolves. 4 out of 16 or whatever we started with seems high, but it is possible.

The last thought i have is i wonder about a cunning wolf....could make things very interesting if either taz or dubb are one.

[Schmidty]

I am totally not confident in my vote for Taz, but the evidence points toward Dubb not lying.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE BARKEEP
VOTE DUBB

Ive never seen a person use this self-vote and beg to die unless they were a villager....NEVER...if a fairly new guy like taz is doing it, im going to trust it. my barkeep vote is a waist of time today, might as well go where my gut is leading me today

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE BARKEEP
VOTE DUBB
Dola to bold vote

[WVUFAN]

Heres one gigantic reason...Raiders is a wolf...if thats the case, and then you can assume dubb is, it makes all the sense in the world. Raiders was down like 7-1 in votes? This lie(if it is) single handidly saved him today. Its a numbers game, and if raiders is a wolf they get two villagers today instead of losing a wolf. Makes all the sense in the world if thats the case.

If that is the case though, bad thoughts arise...they are either closer to the win then we think(if we lost 2 villagers today, it would take us two days to kill dubb and raider so we lose two more villagers....thats at least 4 of the 10 left, and all they need is 1-1 ratio). That also would mean we still have 3 wolves. 4 out of 16 or whatever we started with seems high, but it is possible.

The last thought i have is i wonder about a cunning wolf....could make things very interesting if either taz or dubb are one.
What's a cunning wolf? Is this an adjective for a good player, or a special ability?

[Blade6119]

What's a cunning wolf? Is this an adjective for a good player, or a special ability?

A special ability in which when a wolf is lynched he is revealed as a villager instead of a wolf...there has also been a brutal wolf who kills someone when he is lynched, as well as many other secret roles. But if we had secret roles like witness and the posse, its hard for me to imagine in someway they didnt recieve extra help, be it a 4th wolf or secret roles of their own.

[TazFTW]

if a fairly new guy like taz is doing it
I'm not really new. I played in the first few WW games when Peregrine started the fad. I stopped playing when there were 2 or 3 games running at the same time and just recnetly came back with that nobles/assassins game.

Actually those first few games are why I like to stay quiet now. I would get lynched early every time I started discussion about who could be the wolves. I learned being quiet kept me in the game longer. Now it seems like it could be my downfall.

[Blade6119]

I'm not really new. I played in the first few WW games when Peregrine started the fad. I stopped playing when there were 2 or 3 games running at the same time and just recnetly came back with that nobles/assassins game.

Actually those first few games are why I like to stay quiet now. I would get lynched early every time I started discussion about who could be the wolves. I learned being quiet kept me in the game longer. Now it seems like it could be my downfall.

If thats the case i aplogize, as i wasnt around for those. As for being loud, it usually gets me killed but being loud enough has tought me a lot. Wolves dont just mess up and give up clues. Wolves must be provoked into an argument, or provoked into emotions that might cause a misstep. I learn 10 times more by accusing people then by sitting idly by...besides, quiet people die on day one

[Barkeep49]

For those keeping track at home:

Current vote count:

Taz 6
Raiders 2
Dubb 2

[Blade6119]

taz is dead, no question....we might as well end the day now...its either you believe dubb or taz....no certain facts are out there, and people have picked there sides.....

[Grammaticus]

Without revealing too much about the posse, in case we need to verify claims of being a posse member later on, individual posse members have the ability to kill someone at night. There are a rather lengthy set of restrictions which will not be mentioned here, but that is the short summary of what the posse is Blade. I'm glad you're posting since even though you're wrong with me, I think you've had other good insights this game.
So, you are saying that an individual in the posse can on their own cause a kill? Does that mean two kills can occur in one night? Also, from what you said earlier, a wolf could also be a posse member?

Does the bold in your grid posts mean you suspect those people of being wolves?

[Barkeep49]

So, you are saying that an individual in the posse can on their own cause a kill? Does that mean two kills can occur in one night? Also, from what you said earlier, a wolf could also be a posse member?

Yes to all of these questions.

Does the bold in your grid posts mean you suspect those people of being wolves?
No. It means they changed their vote. It's my way of telling at a glance which votes I should look at when tallying votes.

[dubb93]

I know that Dacman voted for me twice, but he did so on day 1 before he could use his ability, then again on day 2, but was more than willing to remove his vote from me, and did, to break the Saldana/RA tie. If he had hit a wolf, he would leave his vote on me as a hint for when he died. On night 2 is when I'm guessing he viewed me, since he DID NOT COME OUT AND VOTE ME AGAIN! He I was a wolf and he viewed and saw me, he would not have removed his vote from me, and would have voted me again on day 3. I believe that further clears me.

As for no bad guy ever using the voting for yourself trick, I've seen it done many times. Infact I remember it used to be refered to as the "wolf trick." I myself busted it out in the spawn game and got some people to unvote me. Don't believe Taz, he is a wolf.

[dubb93]

As for the "posse", no freakin clue what it is, and I sure as hell know I'm not in it with Barkeep and RA.

[dubb93]

I know that Dacman voted for me twice, but he did so on day 1 before he could use his ability, then again on day 2, but was more than willing to remove his vote from me, and did, to break the Saldana/RA tie. If he had hit a wolf, he would leave his vote on me as a hint for when he died. On night 2 is when I'm guessing he viewed me, since he DID NOT COME OUT AND VOTE ME AGAIN! He I was a wolf and he viewed and saw me, he would not have removed his vote from me, and would have voted me again on day 3. I believe that further clears me.

As for no bad guy ever using the voting for yourself trick, I've seen it done many times. Infact I remember it used to be refered to as the "wolf trick." I myself busted it out in the spawn game and got some people to unvote me. Don't believe Taz, he is a wolf.

Typo, He=If

[Grammaticus]

...

Something ... something's not kosher here. I've reviewed all of Taz's posts, and I've not seen anything that even remotely made me think he was a wolf until Dubb came out with this -- why did Dubb wait until NOW to use his ability?

There's something going on here. This doesn't feel right. I believe Taz.

UNVOTE TazFTW
VOTE DUBB

There probably was not much to id Taz as a wolf, because there is not much by way of posts from Taz to look at, period. Also, waiting to use an ability like that is not such a bad idea. It lets you try and get a feel for who's posts make sense for review. Otherwise, its just a blind stab. With an ability like that, you would really want to nail a wolf.

Here is a question for all, If you don't want to try Dubb's reveal by lynching Taz, why would you lynch Dubb over Raiders Army (no offense RA)? If Dubb is not telling the truth, then he was trying to save RA and it would make sense for non believers to nail RA.

Somebody mentioned a bribed Villager, what is that?

[Grammaticus]

I know that Dacman voted for me twice, but he did so on day 1 before he could use his ability, then again on day 2, but was more than willing to remove his vote from me, and did, to break the Saldana/RA tie. If he had hit a wolf, he would leave his vote on me as a hint for when he died. On night 2 is when I'm guessing he viewed me, since he DID NOT COME OUT AND VOTE ME AGAIN! He I was a wolf and he viewed and saw me, he would not have removed his vote from me, and would have voted me again on day 3. I believe that further clears me.

As for no bad guy ever using the voting for yourself trick, I've seen it done many times. Infact I remember it used to be refered to as the "wolf trick." I myself busted it out in the spawn game and got some people to unvote me. Don't believe Taz, he is a wolf.
Apparently he could have used the seer view on night zero?? I could see him removing his vote from you as Saldana was outed, rather than leave it on you to cause suspicion from the wolves (just looking at the other possibility).

[TazFTW]

Apparently he could have used the seer view on night zero??
In past games, a seer could use his ability night 0. Whether the seer could use it for this game was up to RPI.

[dubb93]

Apparently he could have used the seer view on night zero?? I could see him removing his vote from you as Saldana was outed, rather than leave it on you to cause suspicion from the wolves (just looking at the other possibility).

Considering his vote went on Saldana b/f you announced you were the witness I don't buy this argument. Still, why doesn't he come back and vote me on day 3 if he viewed me and I was a wolf?

[Raiders Army]

:sigh again: The wolves win. They have 4 (or 3 and a sorceror/bribed villager/etc..) and lynching me clinches their win.
You don't make any sense. What you're doing is the "last gasp" of the wolves.

From what I can gather, Blade is another wolf, possibly the last.

[Raiders Army]

I also see by Barkeep's post #551 that Taz did not explain any of his votes for Day 2 or 3. Obviously an "under the radar" type play. That makes sense in that one wolf is probably doing the silent thing and another is doing a vocal thing. Nice strategy.

[Barkeep49]

I realized I might not be home for nearly the entire Night cycle and rather than miss it and then die before posting here's what I have for the current day.


<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cols="3" frame="void" rules="groups"> <colgroup><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="580"></colgroup> <tbody> <tr> <td align="left" height="32" width="86">10) Grammaticus</td> <td align="left" width="86">Raiders Army</td> <td align="left" width="580">Has previously stated reasons why; Believes dacman might have sent coded message as well</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">8) ardent enthusiast</td> <td align="left">Raiders Army</td> <td align="left">Sees no reason not to; Dacman voted for him</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">2) Raiders Army</td> <td align="left">Grammaticus</td> <td align="left">Thinks there's something fishy going on</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">13) Barkeep49</td> <td align="left">Raiders Army</td> <td align="left">For voting against a known villager</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">7) McSweeny</td> <td align="left">Raiders Army</td> <td align="left">Doesn't believe RA's defense</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">6) Blade6119</td> <td align="left">Barkeep49</td> <td align="left">No reason given</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">16) dubb93 </td> <td align="left">TazFTW</td> <td align="left">Used empath skill and found Taz lied</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Raiders Army</td> <td align="left">TazFTW</td> <td align="left">Believes dubb</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">11) TazTFW</td> <td align="left">Dubb</td> <td align="left">Dubb is lying about him</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">McSweeny</td> <td align="left">TazFTW</td> <td align="left">Believes it is a no lose situation</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">15) WVUFAN</td> <td align="left">TazFTW</td> <td align="left">Believes dubb</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">5) Schmidty</td> <td align="left">TazFTW</td> <td align="left">Doesn't believe anyone but sees no way wolves benefit if he lies</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">TazFTW</td> <td align="left">Raiders Army</td> <td align="left">Believes both Raiders and dubb wolves; switching to one with more votes</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Barkeep49</td> <td align="left">TazFTW</td> <td align="left">Inclined to believe dubb</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Grammaticus</td> <td align="left">TazFTW</td> <td align="left">Going with most likely outcome</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">WVUFan</td> <td align="left">Dubb</td> <td align="left">Taz seems innocent in posts; something fishy</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Blade</td> <td align="left">Dubb</td> <td align="left">Never seen a person beg to die unless they're a villager</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

[Grammaticus]

I think Taz is the most likely candidate to be a wolf, therefore we should lynch him. The other benefit to this course, if he is not a wolf, we have tested Dubb’s claim of using the empathy ability. We either get a wolf or we get good knowledge regarding RA and Dubb.

Does anyone know what a “bribed villager” is and how that works? Someone brought that up earlier. Is it possible that Dubb could be forced to make the empath statement against his will?

Either way, I think you go with Taz. If he is a wolf, bingo and RA is clear. If not, then RA was the one being protected and you go for him first over Dubb, the next cycle.

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, I don't particularly have time to go through the vote totals at the moment, but it's pretty clear that TazTFW acquired the most votes -- I can always come back to this later if we need an official record.

The day seemed positive. Most people were comfortable the town would soon be eradicated of the wolves, with TazTFW the next to go. But as you hang TazTFW by the ropes, he never changes form. You're horrified to realize that TazTFW was a villager!

Playerlist

1) st.cronin: Lynched, Day(1), Regular Villager
2) Raiders Army
3) dacman: Lynched, Day(3), Seer
4) pennywisesb: Killed, Night(4)
5) Schmidty
6) Blade6119
7) McSweeny
8) ardent enthusiast
9) SnDvls: Killed, Night(2)
10) Grammaticus
11) TazTFW: Lynched, Day(4), Regular Villager
12) saldana: Lynched, Day(2), Werewolf
13) Barkeep49
14) kingfc22: Killed, Night(1)
15) WVUFAN
16) dubb93

It is now Night(4). Night Actions are due by 10:00pm EST on Friday, December 22nd.

[Grammaticus]

That’s jacked up. So, Dubb was fooling us with his empath crap.

[Poli]

I'm glad to say I never fell for it. My hit list:

1. Raiders Army
2. Dubb

[Raiders Army]

Uhhhh....what the hell happened? I fell for it since I know I'm a villager. I just don't understand how it could be endgame that they would do that. Unless dubb made a mistake?

[Schmidty]

Game over. I knew we shouldn't have trusted dubb. Dramatics like that are usually a ploy. Now we're fucked.

By the way, I'll be in transit to California today and part of tomorrow. I won't be around a computer until Sunday or Monday. Are we taking a break for Christmas at least?

[Poli]

Uhhhh....what the hell happened? I fell for it since I know I'm a villager. I just don't understand how it could be endgame that they would do that. Unless dubb made a mistake?Nice try.

[Poli]

I just can't believe people bought this fake role reveal and didn't buy into mine. Dang it. Garhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

I wish I didn't have to work last night. Maybe I could have talked you guys out of this.

[Raiders Army]

Don't lynch me before dubb. This is my thought process:

If you lynch me and see that I'm a villager that will put doubt in your mind about dubb. If you lynch him first and me second then at least he'll be gone. I realize by saying this, you may think I'm trying to attempt a "strategy". It is not. Yesterday I would've fallen on my sword to prove that dubb was right.

Argh. I really thought he was on the level.

[Blade6119]

Another day, another time the team doesnt bloody listen to me...first about dacman being good and now dubb being bad....god this is aggravating...

Kill Dubb first, then RA...we know dubb is a wolf now, but we dont know for sure if RA is or if he was just a villager being used since he looked like he was going to die to make sure we killed taz tomorrow. KILL DUBB TOMORROW...god im pissed off again

[Poli]

I'm just waiting for the voting window to open.

[RPI-Fan]

How about this for a proposed schedule:

Friday 23rd, Night(4) ends 10pm
Saturday, 24th, Day(5) ends 10pm
Sunday 25th OFF
Monday 26th OFF
Tuesday 27th Night(5) ends 10am
Wednesday 28th Day(6) ends 10pm (NOTE: No longer on the 12/24 schedule)
Thursday 29th Night(6) ends 10am
Thursday 29th Day(7) ends 10pm
Friday 30th Night(7) ends 1am (in other words, 3 hours after the Day(7) deadline)
Friday 30th Day(8) ends 12pm
Friday 30th Night(8) ends 3pm

I can't imagine us going any deeper than that (doubt it's hardly mathematically possible, at least), and the reason I played around with the deadlines is because I'm moving on the 30th, and won't have internet access for a few days.

Thoughts?

~rpi-fan

[Poli]

Good for me. Process the blasted night actions. I got a wolf to lynch.

[RPI-Fan]

Good for me. Process the blasted night actions. I got a wolf to lynch.

I'd be happy to process them, and bump the Day deadline to tonight. Alas, I haven't received all the night actions (not neccessarily the wolves) that I need.

[Poli]

Darn (not necessarily the) wolves.

[Blade6119]

My list again(in order):

Dubb
Barkeep
Raiders
Ardent
Mcsweeney

[Blade6119]

You don't make any sense. What you're doing is the "last gasp" of the wolves.

From what I can gather, Blade is another wolf, possibly the last.

:rolleyes:

[Poli]

My list again(in order):

Dubb
Barkeep
Raiders
Ardent
Mcsweeney
In keeping with convention:

Raiders Army
Dubb
Barkeep.

[Barkeep49]

I'll post my list:

Dubb
Raiders
Blade

Ok I'm off now until 9 PM Eastern or so. I might be able to check in before then to see if the Night Cycle has been processed but any post will be of a very short nature.

[RPI-Fan]

It was a short night where few people got much sleep. Again the screams of terror came, and in the morning you wake up to realize that Schmidty is missing. Schmidty has been eaten by the wolves.


It is now Day(5). Lynch Votes are due by 11:59pm tonight, Friday, December 23rd.

[Blade6119]

LOL, we wait until barkeep comes back to process night actions...thats funny...and telling

[Blade6119]

In keeping with convention:

Raiders Army
Dubb
Barkeep.

Why might i ask do you have raiders ahead of dubb?

[RPI-Fan]

LOL, we wait until barkeep comes back to process night actions...thats funny...and telling

:rolleyes: Yea', I haven't considered staggering the postings of my night actions just a little.

[Blade6119]

:rolleyes: Yea', I haven't considered staggering the postings of my night actions just a little.

I know that, but ive been around 90% of the time and seen only a few people even reading the thread since lynch vote...Barkeep, Ardent, Raiders, Schmidty(bless his dead soul), me, and gramaticcus....so that leaves 3 people on my list of 5, gramat, and myself...those numbers again, as all game, make me think ive been barking up the right trees...just no one cares to listen until its too late

[RPI-Fan]

I know that, but ive been around 90% of the time and seen only a few people even reading the thread since lynch vote...Barkeep, Ardent, Raiders, Schmidty(bless his dead soul), me, and gramaticcus....so that leaves 3 people on my list of 5, gramat, and myself...those numbers again, as all game, make me think ive been barking up the right trees...just no one cares to listen until its too late

I guess that's a possibility. Also consider that on some nights, people have sent in night actions before the night officially starts.

[Grammaticus]

Why might i ask do you have raiders ahead of dubb?
I initially think

1. RA
2. Dubb

Because the heat has been on RA so many times and each time we changed it has been to the detriment of the villagers. I'm still wondering about this bribed villager role and what it could mean. Although, I will concede and go with Dubb first if that is what everyone wants to do. Either way, the Taz revelation is bad for both Dubb and RA.

[Blade6119]

I initially think

1. RA
2. Dubb

Because the heat has been on RA so many times and each time we changed it has been to the detriment of the villagers. I'm still wondering about this bribed villager role and what it could mean. Although, I will concede and go with Dubb first if that is what everyone wants to do. Either way, the Taz revelation is bad for both Dubb and RA.

Without defending RA too much, i see it this way

1.WE KNOW DUBB LIED AND THEREFORE IS A WOLF
2.WE DONT KNOW FOR SURE RA IS A WOLF

Is there something im missing....many signs point to RA along with dubb, but if I was dubb i would use 2 villagers in my lie instead of a fellow wolf becuase the backlash would get the other villager killed. Im not saying RA isnt, but dubb we know...why not go with the sure thing?

[Poli]

Why might i ask do you have raiders ahead of dubb?Dacman voted for Raiders before he died.

[Poli]

Dola, and dubb went to bat for RA.

[Schmidty]

Dude, you're dead. :(

Damn. Guess I should read more. I'll delete my post.

[Poli]

Vote Raiders Army

Vote for dubb or RA. They're both wolves. It's a win-win.

[hoopsguy]

Post #608
It was a short night where few people got much sleep. Again the screams of terror came, and in the morning you wake up to realize that Schmidty is missing. Schmidty has been eaten by the wolves.


Yep, think he is dead. This has been a fun one to read along with up to this point.

[Poli]

Hoops!

[Blade6119]

Vote Dubb
kill him then RA...

[Poli]

I'll think about it, Blade.

[Blade6119]

I'll think about it, Blade.

I see all the signs pointing to RA, but i just dont get why you would want to take a guy with great odds over dubb who we know is a wolf...im not defending RA, but there is at least a 1% chance hes good and i dont see any chance dubb is good now.

ARDENT, MIZZOURAH WANTS YOU TO BE OC I THINK..CHECK OUT THE BOTTOM OF HIS LAST POST ABOUT YOU

[Poli]

Already accepted. :)

[McSweeny]

VOTE DUBB

[dubb93]

I don't know what happened guys.

VOTE Grammaticus

[Poli]

I don't know what happened guys.

VOTE GrammaticusOh come on. Don't try to hide it.

[Blade6119]

I don't know what happened guys.

VOTE Grammaticus

Dubb.....i expected more then that...im kinda dissapointed...oh well, gues you know whats coming

[Grammaticus]

I don't know what happened guys.

VOTE Grammaticus
Really? Why don't you postulate for us?

[Grammaticus]

I'm going to go ahead and shoot for Dubb.

VOTE DUBB93

He obviously dumped a load of crap on us. There also has to be a reason he tried to move the heat off RA. Just like Barkeep moved the heat off RA onto Dacman, then shifted at the last minute (4 minutes prior to end of day cycle) to RA. What is up with that?

On day one, it appears that RA was trying to get Dubb off the block when he started the shift to St. Cronin. Remember Dubb had 2 votes and Barkeep had 2 votes. Was RA trying to get the heat off Dubb or both Dubb and Barkeep??

[Raiders Army]

Although you guys probably won't listen to me, I'm not entirely sure dubb is a wolf. We do not know for a fact that he is one. There is the possibility that Taz was a wolf that when lynched would appear to be a villager. I'm not saying that it is a probability, but it is a possibility.

That is the only thing I can think of that would clear dubb. I know for a fact he told the truth about me, so that is why I'm leery of voting for him today.

[Raiders Army]

I don't know what happened guys.

VOTE Grammaticus
You could also help yourself by stating why Grammaticus. I'm not sure why you went there.

[WVUFAN]

This is a no brainer.


VOTE DUBB

[Raiders Army]

VOTE DUBB

I'm not entirely comfortable doing this, but at this point he seems as if he's the most logical choice.

[Poli]

The wolves must have been watching Band of Brothers together.

[Grammaticus]

My count shows:

Dubb -5- Blade, McSweeny, Grammaticus, WVUFAN, Raiders Army
Raiders Army -1- Ardent Enthusiast
Grammaticus -1- Dubb93

and Barkeep hasn't voted yet.

[Poli]

I say we all go final answer. RPI should just let us roll. :)

'Course, we should wait for Barkeep. Darn barkeep. :)

[Blade6119]

I say we all go final answer. RPI should just let us roll. :)

'Course, we should wait for Barkeep. Darn barkeep. :)

Barkeep cant change the outcome of this vote...onless he is somehow the duke(id bet there was one), but the duke could have been a night kill too.

[Poli]

That's the only reason I could see for us holding up at this point.

[Raiders Army]

Who's Brilliq? He joined Oct 2000 and has 360 posts. I smell an alias.

[Raiders Army]

From Mountain View, CA.

[Barkeep49]

I appreciate you holding the thread up for me especially when I thought I had like 30 more hours :).

I admire Ardent's vote for Raiders, but Voting Dubb seems like an easy play. He claimed to have knowledge about a wolf. He did not.

[RPI-Fan]

All throughout the day, you can't rinse the taste of deceipt from your mouths. There is no heistation to send dubb93 up to the gallows. However, you are shocked to see he remains a human. Upon a search of his belongings, you see a notepad with a list of names, and various evil paraphenalia. Before long, you realize that dubb93 is The Cultist.

Cultist - You win if the werewolves win. You know who the wolves are, but they don't know who you are. You are counted as a regular villager in headcounts, including the victory headcount.
Playerlist

1) st.cronin: Lynched, Day(1), Regular Villager
2) Raiders Army
3) dacman: Lynched, Day(3), Seer
4) pennywisesb: Killed, Night(3)
5) Schmidty: Killed, Night(4)
6) Blade6119
7) McSweeny
8) ardent enthusiast
9) SnDvls: Killed, Night(2)
10) Grammaticus
11) TazTFW: Lynched, Day(4), Regular Villager
12) saldana: Lynched, Day(2), Werewolf
13) Barkeep49
14) kingfc22: Killed, Night(1)
15) WVUFAN
16) dubb93: Lynched, Day(5), Cultist


BREAKTIME!!!! Thanks for your cooperation through the holidays!


It is now Night(5). Night Actions are due by 10:00am EST on Monday, December 26th.

[Brillig]

Who's Brilliq? He joined Oct 2000 and has 360 posts. I smell an alias.
Just in case people's paranoia meters are pegged, I am not an alias. That is, other than for me. Not an alias. Just minding my own business. Watching you all go nuts is fascinating psychologically, but nothing I need to participate in. So there. We clear? Good.

[st.cronin]

Just in case people's paranoia meters are pegged, I am not an alias. That is, other than for me. Not an alias. Just minding my own business. Watching you all go nuts is fascinating psychologically, but nothing I need to participate in. So there. We clear? Good.

It's a sign!

[WVUFAN]

I think Brillig is a wolf. :-)

[Blade6119]

Upon a search of his belongings, you see a notepad with a list of names.

We cant just read this damn list?

Thats means RA for sure, and then prob. one of barkeep, ardent(less likely with the RA vote, or mcsweeney...basically we killed a villager today(bad) which should sniff out the other wolves(good)

[Brillig]

I think Brillig is a wolf. :-)
Arrroooooooo.....*cough*

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What?

[Grammaticus]

We cant just read this damn list?

My thoughts exactly, what is on the list?

[Grammaticus]

BREAKTIME!!!! Thanks for your cooperation through the holidays!


It is now Night(5). Night Actions are due by 10:00am EST on Monday, December 26th.

I'm heading out for a drive to Mississippi in a few hours, Merry Christmas to all!

I'm also spending a good chunk of time in the car, riving back Monday. So, if you do not hear from me much on Monday, that is why.

[Poli]

We cant just read this damn list?

Thats means RA for sure, and then prob. one of barkeep, ardent(less likely with the RA vote, or mcsweeney...basically we killed a villager today(bad) which should sniff out the other wolves(good)

GOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHH DANG IT!

I KNEW WE SHOULD HAVE WENT AFTER RAIDERS FIRST.

[Raiders Army]

I have no idea why he made this play. Usually this type of character can't communicate with the wolves, so why would he attempt to do this right now? It doesn't make any sense. Oh well.

I am a villager. I am also the next target for lynching, but I'm telling you that at this point it's a close game and this may be the last lynch you do if you lynch me.

[Poli]

I'll risk it.

[saldana]

merry christmas everyone from beyond the grave.

[RPI-Fan]

As I said, I'm not that skilled of a writer. That's why I play with numbers and graph paper all day long. :)

Just to clarify, The Cultist:

1) Knows who the wolves are
2) Wolves do not know who The Cultist is
3) Cannot communicate with the wolves
4) Counts as a villager in all head-counts and night actions

[Raiders Army]

Well, that explains it then.

[Raiders Army]

Although said in another thread, Merry Christmas to villagers and wolves alike! (and our GM as well)

[Grammaticus]

Yes, Merry Christmas to all, even you wolves :)

[Poli]

Darn Wolves. Happy holidays, all.

[Barkeep49]

I too will add a warm holiday greeting to all, whether they be the good (villagers, the bad (the wolves), or the ugly (our wonderful GM).

[Barkeep49]

Question are we still off tomorrow, or considering that we pushed things forward are we resuming tomorrow at 10 in the morning with a lynch time of Tuesday at 10?

[McSweeny]

i just moved and i have no idea when comcast we'll get around to wiring us up, so my availability may be spotty over the next few days

[Poli]

How about this for a proposed schedule:

Friday 23rd, Night(4) ends 10pm
Saturday, 24th, Day(5) ends 10pm
Sunday 25th OFF
Monday 26th OFF
Tuesday 27th Night(5) ends 10am
Wednesday 28th Day(6) ends 10pm (NOTE: No longer on the 12/24 schedule)
Thursday 29th Night(6) ends 10am
Thursday 29th Day(7) ends 10pm
Friday 30th Night(7) ends 1am (in other words, 3 hours after the Day(7) deadline)
Friday 30th Day(8) ends 12pm
Friday 30th Night(8) ends 3pm

I can't imagine us going any deeper than that (doubt it's hardly mathematically possible, at least), and the reason I played around with the deadlines is because I'm moving on the 30th, and won't have internet access for a few days.

Thoughts?

~rpi-fanThis is likely your answer, barkeep.

[RPI-Fan]

Through the night, you were awoken by terrible screams. In the morning, you realize that McSweeny has been eaten by the wolves.

Playerlist

1) st.cronin: Lynched, Day(1), Regular Villager
2) Raiders Army
3) dacman: Lynched, Day(3), Seer
4) pennywisesb: Killed, Night(3)
5) Schmidty: Killed, Night(4)
6) Blade6119
7) McSweeny: Killed, Night(5)
8) ardent enthusiast
9) SnDvls: Killed, Night(2)
10) Grammaticus
11) TazTFW: Lynched, Day(4), Regular Villager
12) saldana: Lynched, Day(2), Werewolf
13) Barkeep49
14) kingfc22: Killed, Night(1)
15) WVUFAN
16) dubb93: Lynched, Day(5), Cultist


It is now Day(6). Lynch Votes are due by 10:00am EST on Tuesday, December 27th.

[RPI-Fan]

This is likely your answer, barkeep.
As I'm sure you can tell, this is a little bit off.

[Barkeep49]

Well Dubb bought him a couple of days. Perhaps his wolfie friend will be able to take advantage of them.

Vote Raiders Army

[Blade6119]

VOTE RAIDERS

[Grammaticus]

This one is a long time coming

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

If this is not a wolf......

[Raiders Army]

I'm pretty sure Blade or Barkeep is a wolf. That being said, there are six of us left. Two are probably wolves. Once you lynch me, it will be 2 to 3, then after the night phase the wolves will win.

Congratulations wolves. I say again, dubb was trying to set me up (although I did that pretty well myself). Didn't he set up Taz? Anyhow, if you lynch me today, the game is over.

[b]VOTE BLADE6119[b]

[Raiders Army]

VOTE BLADE6119

[RPI-Fan]

After a quiet, solumn day, you decide that it is time to again sniff out a wolf. Convinced of his evil, you hang Raiders Army to the gallows. You're dismayed to realize, however, that he never changes form. Raiders Army is a regular villager and a member of the posse.


Posse - You are a member of a posse organized to help protect the village against the wolves. You've only had a brief opportunity to organize yourselves, and for fear of collusion you can no longer associate with each other. You don't know who the other posse members are, and in fact one or more of them may themselves be werewolves! Nevertheless, in the organization of your group, you've come up with a scheme to attempt to eliminate the werewolves. Each of you were given a weapon that may be used one time, at your discretion during the night. As a one-time night action, you may attempt to kill one person. If a werewolf is a member of the posse, they may make a kill in addition to their regular nightly kill. If you are protected by the herbalist, you may not leave your room, and if you attempt a kill while protected the posse will be immediately disbanded. Additionally, if you attempt to kill the person protected by the herbalist, you will be unsuccessful. You will search your victim's belongings afterward, and their role will be revealed in the morning. If more than one member of the posse attempts a kill in the same night, the posse becomes disorganized and is immediately disbanded.

Playerlist

1) st.cronin: Lynched, Day(1), Regular Villager
2) Raiders Army: Lynched, Day(6), Regular Villager/Member of The Posse
3) dacman: Lynched, Day(3), Seer
4) pennywisesb: Killed, Night(3)
5) Schmidty: Killed, Night(4)
6) Blade6119
7) McSweeny: Killed, Night(5)
8) ardent enthusiast
9) SnDvls: Killed, Night(2)
10) Grammaticus
11) TazTFW: Lynched, Day(4), Regular Villager
12) saldana: Lynched, Day(2), Werewolf
13) Barkeep49
14) kingfc22: Killed, Night(1)
15) WVUFAN
16) dubb93: Lynched, Day(5), Cultist


It is now Night(6). Night Actions are due by 10:00pm EST on Tuesday, December 27th.

[dubb93]

pwned

[Blade6119]

well, god damnit...good game if its over now...i guess i was right all along about barkeep, but if gramat was the witness it means wvu was a wolf...god damn...good game everyone

[Blade6119]

ardent could be too

dola....

[Blade6119]

Without defending RA too much, i see it this way

1.WE KNOW DUBB LIED AND THEREFORE IS A WOLF
2.WE DONT KNOW FOR SURE RA IS A WOLF

Is there something im missing....many signs point to RA along with dubb, but if I was dubb i would use 2 villagers in my lie instead of a fellow wolf becuase the backlash would get the other villager killed. Im not saying RA isnt, but dubb we know...why not go with the sure thing?

I was sooo damn right about dubb using two villagers...why didnt i listen to myself?

[Grammaticus]

If the posse has not been disbanded and they make a wolf kill tonight, that will keep the ratio from becoming 1:1, so technically, it is not over yet. Although, I'm guessing it was disbanded, too many rules to make it work.

Well, I've been pretty much wrong for most of the way, but I am going to say the wolves are

Barkeep and Ardent as a guess.

[Raiders Army]

Welp. Good luck villagers. I blame only myself for this loss. Sorry about that.

[Blade6119]

Barkeep, you claim your good...the only way i see us having a tomorrow is if there is one wolf or you do a posse kill tonight...herbalist might be alive too though, so if you are i wish you luck on protecting the right person

[WVUFAN]

How do we know if the Posse has been disbanded?

[Poli]

Just got in from Arkansas. Wow. Man, I owe RA an apology. Dang it. Nice play, dubb.

[Poli]

I must say, I have no clue on which way to go now. I believe Grammaticus. I believe in myself. I don't know who to believe in after that.

[RPI-Fan]

You have trouble getting to sleep, and in fact before you can close your eyes for long you hear terrible screams. Next, you hear the howl of two wolves on the prowl, and soon they come after you! Grammaticus has been eaten!

There are two wolves and two villager remaining, and the wolves wreak their havoc!

The wolves have won!!!


Playerlist

1) st.cronin: Lynched, Day(1), Regular Villager
2) Raiders Army: Lynched, Day(6), Regular Villager/Member of The Posse
3) dacman: Lynched, Day(3), Seer
4) pennywisesb: Killed, Night(3), Regular Villager
5) Schmidty: Killed, Night(4), Regular Villager/Member of The Posse
6) Blade6119: Regular Villager
7) McSweeny: Killed, Night(5), Regular Villager
8) ardent enthusiast: Herbalist
9) SnDvls: Killed, Night(2), Regular Villager
10) Grammaticus: Killed, Night(6), Witness
11) TazTFW: Lynched, Day(4), Regular Villager
12) saldana: Lynched, Day(2), Werewolf
13) Barkeep49: Brutal Werewolf
14) kingfc22: Killed, Night(1), Regular Villager
15) WVUFAN: Werewolf/Member of The Posse
16) dubb93: Lynched, Day(5), Cultist

Primary Roles

Werewolf - You belong to a pack of werewolves.
Villager - You are a villager, and your sole purpose is to survive.
Seer - You are the seer, and can view the true identity of a man or wolf. Each night you may choose to view the true identity (pertaining only to wolf/villager) of one player.
Herbalist - You possess a bag of wolfsbane, the deadliest herb known to all wolfkind. Each night, you may choose to protect someone by slipping wolfsbane upon him. You may not choose someone two nights in a row. You may, however, choose yourself.
Secret Role(s) - There are secret role(s) in this game.


**Secret**

Witness - As a one-time skill, you may choose to view the killing of an innocent during the night. If noone is killed, then you waste your view.

Posse - You are a member of a posse organized to help protect the village against the wolves. You've only had a brief opportunity to organize yourselves, and for fear of collusion you can no longer associate with each other. You don't know who the other posse members are, and in fact one or more of them may themselves be werewolves! Nevertheless, in the organization of your group, you've come up with a scheme to attempt to eliminate the werewolves. Each of you were given a weapon that may be used one time, at your discretion during the night. As a one-time night action, you may attempt to kill one person. If a werewolf is a member of the posse, they may make a kill in addition to their regular nightly kill. If you are protected by the herbalist, you may not leave your room, and if you attempt a kill while protected the posse will be immediately disbanded. Additionally, if you attempt to kill the person protected by the herbalist, you will be unsuccessful. You will search your victim's belongings afterward, and their role will be revealed in the morning. If more than one member of the posse attempts a kill in the same night, the posse becomes disorganized and is immediately disbanded.

Brutal Wolf - You are a regular werewolf, except if you are lynched you will gain a surge of power and feast on one person of your choice prior to being taken to the gallows.

Cultist - You win if the werewolves win. You know who the wolves are, but they don't know who you are. You are counted as a regular villager in headcounts, including the victory headcount.

[RPI-Fan]

Congratulations wolves!!!

[Poli]

GAH!!!!!!!!

[Poli]

I missed every single time as the herbalist. I suck.

[WVUFAN]

Who were you protecting there at the end, Ardent?

[Poli]

Barkeep, I believe. I bounced back and forth between Blade and barkeep for the most part.

[WVUFAN]

Good game, everyone.

A especially big "Thank You" to Dubb93, who did a masterful job as the Cultist.

[Barkeep49]

Well this was a great game. I'm going to do my thoughts and observations in the form of awards.
Most Improved Player -- Blade
The last few games, Blade has been just scary with how on he's been about stuff. I fear what'll happen the next time he's playing a wolf in a game I'm playing since I think they'll be very hard to defeat. Blade you scared me alot this game.

Most unfortunate lynchee Dacman
Poor Dac went away for the day and found himself lynched when he got back. The whole Dac lynch scared me so much. With that vote I was trying to lay low after all the attention I raised with Raiders the previous day. I thought to myself that it was far safer to vote for some random person, who it wouldn't be discovered one way or another if I was right or wrong, rather then voting for someone with votes and being accused of starting a bandwagon. And what should happen instead? I started a bandwagon. The fear I felt was greatly allieviated when I found out that he was the Seer. I figured at that point even if I got lynched for it, that I had done WVU, who NO ONE suspected, a world of good.

Great Wolf Performance by a First Time Player WVUFan
WVU made a great wolf. He laid low, but only briefly did anyone (naturally it was Blade) suspect him. I hope that I get to be on his time again in the future.

Great job of almost not being killed after a Witness spotting Saldana

I am of the belief that the Witness is broken. By including a witness in the game you basically are killing a wolf. So when Saldana was spotted on the first night, I advocated fingering Grammaticus. Saldana went in a different direction, and with Grammaticus trying to be sutble about his see, it almost worked.

Person most responsible for the Wolf Victory Dubb
What a brilliant move. By fingering a complete innocent he bought us the three days we needed to win. I was amazed that no one pointed out the possiblity of a Brutal Wolf when considering why a "wolf" would fake a role. Great great play dubb.

And thanks to Raiders, Ardent, and everyone else for an enjoyable game. It was truly a fun one.

Of course thanks to RPI for running this one. With each new game it expands the number of people we have that can run games here which is so nice.

A few final questions:
1. Ardent who did you protect?
2. Raiders and Schmdity who did you try and kill on Night 2?

[hoopsguy]

WVU, one of the better "quiet games" I've seen in some time. You were never on the radar at all.

Blade - you were on the right track with Barkeep early but Dubb pulled you off of it. But it was fun watching how good your instincts were this time around.

Dubb - awfully, awfully good.

Ardent + Raiders - tough games for you guys here. Both of you ended up being worked pretty well by the wolves while holding positions that could have helped the villagers.

RPI - nice game. Fun read.

[Poli]

Day 0: RA
Day 1: Sndvls to grammaticus to blade
Day 2 AE
Day 3 barkeep
Day 4 blade
Day 5 barkeep

[Poli]

With that all out there, I'm now going to clean out my rather full inbox.

[Blade6119]

Day 0: RA
Day 1: Sndvls to grammaticus to blade
Day 2 AE
Day 3 barkeep
Day 4 blade
Day 5 barkeep

Wow, you spent 4/5 days protecting either Barkeep or i...interesting since we both survived and barkeep was a wolf

[Poli]

What can I say? I felt both of you to be important.

I must say I had some thought of WVU being a wolf, though I didn't publicize it.

[WVUFAN]

I was completely lost initially in this game, but Saldana sacrificed himself early to protect me, and Barkeep was prepared to do the same. They were great wolves, and really made this fun for me.

Again, great job, everyone. :-)

[Blade6119]

Blade - you were on the right track with Barkeep early but Dubb pulled you off of it. But it was fun watching how good your instincts were this time around.

Honestly he never did, i just came the the conclusion myself that no matter what i did to sway people i wasnt getting barkeep killed before dubb and raiders...i figured taz was good, and even thought that raiders was good too, but just knew the momentum from everyone else was too much and decided to play follow the leader until i saw an opening.

I think dubb knowing the wolves off balanced things a bit, as other turncoats dont know the wolves....his knowledge of them basically granted them an extra wolf who counted as a villager. I would have liked to see either dubb have to meet a certain criteria to find out who they were or not at all as i think it tipped the scales a bit.

[Blade6119]

Well this was a great game. I'm going to do my thoughts and observations in the form of awards.
Most Improved Player -- Blade
The last few games, Blade has been just scary with how on he's been about stuff. I fear what'll happen the next time he's playing a wolf in a game I'm playing since I think they'll be very hard to defeat. Blade you scared me alot this game.

Great Wolf Performance by a First Time Player WVUFan
WVU made a great wolf. He laid low, but only briefly did anyone (naturally it was Blade) suspect him. I hope that I get to be on his time again in the future.

Wow, thank you for the kind words barkeep despite my losing performance...I think ive been fairly lucky the past few games in just getting the right reads. I at first thought dubb was good, then after his reveal(pre taz lynch) bad...i never considered turncoat so i was off their. WVU i suspected somewhat, but i figured i had to get the vocal wolves before the quiet ones as the quiet ones dont have evidence i can use against them.

Barkeep, you did a wonderful job all game. I knew, but i couldnt get anyone else to believe me and after dacman died and dubb made his move i knew it was over. Congrats on a great play blinding everyone else to your role.

[Barkeep49]

I would say Dubb equaled the Witness in this game as we almost killed him (or at least I seriously considered pushing him). Once he made his empath play I was able to figure out who he was and what he was doing, but the wolves not knowing who the cultist is, and even that there is a cultist, is a disadvantage.

[Blade6119]

Person most responsible for the Wolf Victory Dubb
What a brilliant move. By fingering a complete innocent he bought us the three days we needed to win. I was amazed that no one pointed out the possiblity of a Brutal Wolf when considering why a "wolf" would fake a role. Great great play dubb.

A special ability in which when a wolf is lynched he is revealed as a villager instead of a wolf...there has also been a brutal wolf who kills someone when he is lynched, as well as many other secret roles. If we had secret roles like witness and the posse, its hard for me to imagine in someway they didnt recieve extra help, be it a 4th wolf or secret roles of their own...id bet on a brutal or cunning out there

I had the idea, just on the wrong guy as i thought dubb might be the brutal and raiders a cunning...nice game again wolfs

[Blade6119]

I would say Dubb equaled the Witness in this game as we almost killed him (or at least I seriously considered pushing him). Once he made his empath play I was able to figure out who he was and what he was doing, but the wolves not knowing who the cultist is, and even that there is a cultist, is a disadvantage.

I have to diasgree, as te cultist will go along with you guys, never push to get you guys lynched, or realyl be a threat...unless hes stupid...hes never going to get night killed unless he messes up somehow

[Barkeep49]

I have to diasgree, as te cultist will go along with you guys, never push to get you guys lynched, or realyl be a threat...unless hes stupid...hes never going to get night killed unless he messes up somehow
Why? It's very hard to kill people that are going against you without raising suspcion. That's a big reason why we kept knocking off the quiet players, of which Dubb was one. Don't forget that the witness basically equals a dead wolf by Day 3.

[st.cronin]

I knew Raiders was a villager! Dubb's play would make NO sense otherwise. You guys blew that one.

[RPI-Fan]

I tried to make this as balanced as I could. I figured that a "base" game is 3 wolves (1 of them brutal), 1 seer, 1 herbalist, and 11 villagers. Here, I added a witness (+ for villagers), The Posse (small + for villagers), and a cultist (+ for wolves). Seemed alright to me... I hope that someone in the future, or I guess perhaps myself, messes with The Posse in the future.

[RPI-Fan]

FTR, Raiders & Schmidty tried to get dubb & ardent (not necessarily in that order). I believe the dubb kill was in my inbox first too. If you guys had gotten The Posse to knock off dubb, that would have been huge.

[saldana]

nice game everyone! i have to echo the sentiments of others that Blade is a scary player...i didnt think barkeep had a chance of surviving once he was in Blade's sight.

I would like to point out to those saying that the cultist was basically unkillable, that i tried really hard to kill him instead of dying myself, which would basically have given the game away, as his midgame move turned this into an unloseable situation for us. Great job barkeep and wvufan...i would have been onboard with all the kills you made if it werent for the fact that my rotting pelt was hanging from a tree somewhere.


thanks RPI, great job....see you all in the demons game :)

[Grammaticus]

Well, I pretty much hosed that game. It took me a long time, but when it came down to the last two days, I figured Blade was good and was pretty much going to follow whatever direction he took.

Well, the whole witness thing is kinda like a freebie, but honestly the wolves could decide not to make a night 1 kill (fake out). The fact they were able to ID the witness, pretty much takes out the ability to use a lot of deception. It probably would have been just as good if you had 2 wolves and no witness. Actually, probably better for the villagers.

I don't know how I feel about the posse, the rules just seemed too convoluted and extreme for it to ever work.

Good game to all, RA had me fooled up one side and down the other. And Dubb's play was awesome. I think Blade pointed out somewhere that both of Dubb's player identifications were probably villagers. When I read that, I really thought that made sense, but it was so hard to listen to that internally.

Also, I now understand why people want to gun for the silent players.

[dubb93]

I have to diasgree, as te cultist will go along with you guys, never push to get you guys lynched, or realyl be a threat...unless hes stupid...hes never going to get night killed unless he messes up somehow

Actually I wouldn't have went along with them trying to kill me. On day 1 I tried to hint support for Saldana, but on day 2 he came out gunning for me and I went back at him. Only late in the day b/f Gram revealed his role did I unvote him, hoping Gram was out for the night.

I had my fake reveal planned from day 1, I was just waiting for a chance to frame 2 villagers. In my mind, I felt taking a shot @ killing off 3 people that count as villagers was more important than saving 1 wolf. So if Barkeep had pushed me he probably would have ended up dead too.

[Poli]

I'm just surprised at your willingness to die. Had I had the role, I wouldn't have been so willing.

In my mind/opinion, being dead at the end of the game doesn't mean you've won, even if your team does end up winning.

[dubb93]

I'm just surprised at your willingness to die. Had I had the role, I wouldn't have been so willing.

In my mind/opinion, being dead at the end of the game doesn't mean you've won, even if your team does end up winning.

I believe that is where we differ in thought. I feel that if I was a villager and die and the villagers end up winning I didn't win. But on the other side it is completely different. Sometimes on the other side you HAVE to sacrifice yourself, and that is exactly what I did. In dieing I set up RA and the winning kill.

[Blade6119]

I believe that is where we differ in thought. I feel that if I was a villager and die and the villagers end up winning I didn't win. But on the other side it is completely different. Sometimes on the other side you HAVE to sacrifice yourself, and that is exactly what I did. In dieing I set up RA and the winning kill.

When i was the turncoat, the famous like 5 fake role reveals i pulled game surmounting in the newspapers reporters assistant, i survived and won with the wolves. Speaking myself, if i had died but the wolves won i still would have felt like i lost. If i die, i lose...regardless of who wins ultimately...

[Blade6119]

nice game everyone! i have to echo the sentiments of others that Blade is a scary player...i didnt think barkeep had a chance of surviving once he was in Blade's sight.
Wow, thanks again guys...i really just got lucky on a few reads, nothing more. If i was a good player the villagers would have won as i had a few reads down pat and couldnt change a thing(dacman, sun, and taz still got killed, barkeep lived). Saldana just got unlucky to get witnessed. The wolves played a great game, and all the kudos go to them.

[Blade6119]

Well, I pretty much hosed that game. It took me a long time, but when it came down to the last two days, I figured Blade was good and was pretty much going to follow whatever direction he took.

Good game to all, RA had me fooled up one side and down the other. And Dubb's play was awesome. I think Blade pointed out somewhere that both of Dubb's player identifications were probably villagers. When I read that, I really thought that made sense, but it was so hard to listen to that internally.
Sorry to let you down then...after dacman and taz, i got to the point where i was dismayed that no one was listening to me and basically just gave in to the group momentum. If i hadnt, and had stuck to barkeep, we might still be playing and closing in on the win. I apologize to my whole team for letting them down

[Grammaticus]

Sorry to let you down then...after dacman and taz, i got to the point where i was dismayed that no one was listening to me and basically just gave in to the group momentum. If i hadnt, and had stuck to barkeep, we might still be playing and closing in on the win. I apologize to my whole team for letting them down
You didn't let us down, we just hosed ourselves. I was so bent on testing RA that I was not vocal about much else. What I meant was, I should have listened to my instincts about what you were saying earlier, because you were pretty much on the right track. About the only instinct of mine that was right, was dacman being good.

You did really well and I learned a good bit from this game. It is difficult to really peg who is full of crap and who is not.

[saldana]

I'm just surprised at your willingness to die. Had I had the role, I wouldn't have been so willing.

In my mind/opinion, being dead at the end of the game doesn't mean you've won, even if your team does end up winning.

when i am a villager, i agree with this idea...being dead but killing all the wolves doesnt count as a win for me, but as a wolf, if the wolves win and your death counted for something, i still count it as a win...which i do for myself even though i was dead on day two...we (the wolves) assumed that the witness would be one of the newer players and that he would use his role on the first chance he had instead of trying to save it for a more tactical time in the game, so i volunteered to make the kill knowing that i would be seen because i was the only wolf with no special role...basically i took one for the team, and it worked out because WVUFan was able to knock out the posse by sending in an action that disbanded them, and barkeep would have been crushing to you all if he had been lynched. add the fact that my play on day 2 caused enough confusion to leave you all with no idea who the other wolves were, and i think i did enough to call this one a win even though i was dead for 2/3 of the game.

and Blade, you are very welcome, all the praise is well earned, which i think explains why you get killed on the first day all the time...and you will forgive me if i take a certain amount of ego points from the fact that i had you fooled on day 2. :D

[Blade6119]

and Blade, you are very welcome, all the praise is well earned, which i think explains why you get killed on the first day all the time...and you will forgive me if i take a certain amount of ego points from the fact that i had you fooled on day 2. :D

You did indeed, i was quite sure you were good before the other canidate, just not 100% so i decided not to risk it...you convinced me enough even after you died i didnt trust gramat, especially when he backed barkeep. You had me fooled, bravo buddy

[Blade6119]

Dola, can i call harry potter secret role? Make sure i have a good role ;)

[saldana]

Dola, can i call harry potter secret role? Make sure i have a good role ;)
not now that you outed my plot line :mad:

your role will be....squib....you have no powers...you will just sit idly by and wait to be killed while playing with your cat.

[Poli]

When i was the turncoat, the famous like 5 fake role reveals i pulled game surmounting in the newspapers reporters assistant, i survived and won with the wolves. Speaking myself, if i had died but the wolves won i still would have felt like i lost. If i die, i lose...regardless of who wins ultimately...Same feeling here.

[RPI-Fan]

I'm really surprised at the dead/not-dead school of thought. I think those who feel they lose if they die hurt the villagers. Some of my "wacky" villager plays are designed to reveal information, even if it means I die before the game ends.

I think next time I run a game, I'll emphasize that you wni equally if you die or are alive at the end, as I think that migh thave an effect on gameplay.