Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!!

[Raiders Army]

Ack. Two wizards down in one night. The lynch tonight is crucial.

[JeeberD]

Goddamn, this ain't looking good... :(

[Coder]

Didn't realize they could kill two wizards unless one was protecting the other somehow.

Lathum voted for me during day 6 (on the other hand, he first voted for Gram who we know is a wizard by now). If I were everyone else I'd vote to lynch me. Shall we put the deadline a little earlier to get this out of the way? :)

[JeeberD]

Why are you so eager to die, Coder?

[Coder]

Why are you so eager to die, Coder?

Because I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for voting for me with that scenario. Lathum was a legi-thingy. I'd certainly follow his vote if it hadn't been for the fact that he voted for me. With no other real clues and me really being heavily lobbied for last session, the obvious vote this time around is me.

Do I want to die? No. Do the existing accusations highlight my poor voting and strange comments? Yes.

Dubb, Kwhit. I'm more and more certain they're deatheaters now. Since I know I'm innocent, I can't help but thinking Ardent has done some serious setting up (because reading through his "evidence" makes you realize that there's a LOT of very "free" interpretation of text).

So.. basically.. I'm not going to blame anyone for voting for me. It's what I would have done. However, hopefully you get one more chance after the next killing to get at least one of the deatheaters, and Dubb and KWhit are my top choices.

But why listen to me.. I voted for Gram.

[Coder]

Dola.. I was POSITIVE they would kill Gram tonight, since he's the only one who was still alive and we KNEW he wasn't a deatheater. Killing him would only have given them and edge. Now at least we know that 1 out of 14 isn't a deatheater (except ourselves, meaning all wizards know that 2/14 aren't deatheaters)

[dubb93]

Coder, you are barking up the wrong tree saying I'm a DE. My voting record and actions speak for themselves. I'm a wizard and I'm doing my best to help the team, we're just being outplayed at this point and the night action hurts, losing the seer. Vote me today and we are assured of another wasted day. I'm willing to put money on the fact that some DE's voted Gramm yesterday.

I'm going to go back through the votes and look for someone that voted Qwik after Neon's reveal, voted WVU instead of Sun and voted Gramm last night. If I find someone like that, they will be my vote today.

[dubb93]

That was a short search. Kwhit piled on Qwik after Neons reveal, voted WVUFan even after Neon called Sun on his lie, and was the last one last night to throw his vote away on Gram.

VOTE KWHIT

[Desnudo]

I agree. KWHIT was going to be my call-out this morning as well.

KWHIT

[Desnudo]

dola

VOTE KWHIT

[Desnudo]

Oh great. I knew I should have saved my vial.

Instead of wasting it on Lathum? King's dead anyway. Or is that just a frame-up?

[Desnudo]

dola, did you kill Blade as well?

[Superman=#54]

Are you guys really that sure about KWhit?

[Desnudo]

I'm comfortable with it. If you look way back, I noted that I was concerned about his posts not contributing anything except to the confusion. He's been on my list of potentials for a while.

[dubb93]

I'm more comfortable with KWhit then Coder. The way I look at it, the Qwik, Sun, and Gram votes were the 3 most important of the game. If you assume that the DE's would want to protect Sun, jump on Qwik due to the seer reveal, and force Gram to make a decision since they haven't killed him yet then I think that is where you will find a DE or 2.

[Poli]

VOTE CODER

We're so friggin screwed right now. I can't believe we didn't take coder out yesterday. Kwhit shouldn't even be in the equation right now.

[Blade6119]

well bravo wolves...i still held out hope knowing lathum took over the seer role he might uncover all of you with his scans and lead the villagers down road to victory...nice night kill indeed wolves

[Lathum]

morons

[Grammaticus]

VOTE CODER

[SnDvls]

morons
:p

No, really. It's great all of us dead people are still following along. Goes to show you Saldana made a great game.

[Lathum]

:p

No, really. It's great all of us dead people are still following along. Goes to show you Saldana made a great game.
saldana's a wanker :D

[Blade6119]

:p

No, really. It's great all of us dead people are still following along. Goes to show you Saldana made a great game.
Or the wolves have just killed all of us that are the most active and interested in these games...i follow along post death to study play styles of the living more then anything...ive already learned a lot about everyone in this game

[SnDvls]

Or the wolves have just killed all of us that are the most active and interested in these games...i follow along post death to study play styles of the living more then anything...ive already learned a lot about everyone in this game

or the villagers lynched us too :mad:

[Blade6119]

or the villagers lynched us too :mad:
maybe if you didnt use the SAME defense EVERY time your a wolf you wouldnt be dead now buddy :p

[Raiders Army]

VOTE CODER

Grammaticus' vote is good enough for me. Busy day at work. Will review later.

[Qwikshot]

This has been an amusing game...

[Alan T]

Or the wolves have just killed all of us that are the most active and interested in these games...i follow along post death to study play styles of the living more then anything...ive already learned a lot about everyone in this game


What did you learn about my playstyle? lol :) I guess that I foolishly follow your idea to my death.. :)

[saldana]

i have learned tons about everyone (except blade cuz he was dead so fast...empty your pm box btw)

[Blade6119]

What did you learn about my playstyle? lol :) I guess that I foolishly follow your idea to my death.. :)
I learned your very cautious and dont like to take risks...you never did use your role power, and decided to use the facts i put out there instead of feeling out your own beliefs and following them...not saying thats a bad call(not using your role was), but its interesting...there is other stuff i wont share so that i can read you better in future games

[Blade6119]

i have learned tons about everyone (except blade cuz he was dead so fast...empty your pm box btw)
PM box cleared..and sorry i died soo fast, the wolves dont like me it would appear...i take that as quite the compliment :)

[SnDvls]

maybe if you didnt use the SAME defense EVERY time your a wolf you wouldnt be dead now buddy :p

or mabey if I wasn't a wolf like the last 5 games I'd stand a chance. :p

[hoopsguy]

I have learned nothing about Saldana's play while following along. He is just an inscrutable vault of information. If I was playing poker against him I would fold.

[kingfc22]

Another one bites the dust.

[KWhit]

You guys are wrong about me. I voted for Qwik after neon's reveal but it was still early in the voting (the outcome was definitely still in doubt - 5 people switched to Qwik AFTER me).

And the reason why I voted for wvufan was that I believed sndvls and I misunderstood the whole disapparating charm thing. I said at the time that I thought the disapparating charm was just to keep us and the DEs from apparating out of the village, but that sndvls was describing apparation within the village. I thought that made some sense and wasn't something a non-HP reader would come up with himself. So I believed him. I was wrong, but that was my thought process.

I am NOT a DE.

[dubb93]

I voted for Qwik after neon's reveal but it was still early in the voting (the outcome was definitely still in doubt - 5 people switched to Qwik AFTER me).

It was so late in the day it doesn't matter when you switched. The fact is, at some point the DE's had to get a vote in for another DE. And if you saw the seer had revealed one of your own that was something you had to act on b/c the information was out there. I don't buy a DE wouldn't have switched to Qwik early argument.

On the Sun point. I looked for someone that voted Qwik but not Sun. Why? Sun would have came up as a normal villager to the seers. This was where the DE's had to go all out and make a play. The fact that you voted Sun after Neon came out and called BS only makes it look worse.

On top of all that, any particular reason you saw that yesterday the village had pretty much came to the conclusion that Gram was indeed the duke and you still felt the need to pile on him late?

[JeeberD]

I see no reason to switch from yesterday's vote...AE's long post is as intriguing as ever.

Vote Coder

[Superman=#54]

Kwhit and Coder are both great canidates based on their voting patterns. Coder has been more talkative and has been making more sense to me, although didn't really understand the Gramm thing. Kwhit I'm sorry.

VOTE KWHIT

[Coder]

Kwhit and Coder are both great canidates based on their voting patterns. Coder has been more talkative and has been making more sense to me, although didn't really understand the Gramm thing. Kwhit I'm sorry.

VOTE KWHIT

Initially I was convinced he was a deatheater, but the longer the day went the more I started feeling he might actually be the duke (hence my post saying that, at number #1858) I voted for Gramm because I felt we had nothing to lose.. If he was the duke he wouldn't die and to underline his own vote he'd hang me so you'd have one less suspect to worry about no matter how that turned out. If he wasn't the duke, we would have killed a deatheater.

However, he turned around and decided to kill someone who nearly no one was considering as a suspect, an action which just doesn't make sense to me.

Killing Schmidty didn't help us one bit, instead it confused the hell out of me.

[Desnudo]

I agree that the Schmidty pick was little confusing. Of course Schmidty pretty much forced a game of chicken by, in effect, voting for his own death.

[JeeberD]

Weren't you still up when Gramm said he was going to go after Schmidty if the lynch vote went towards him, Coder? I could swear that you were still hanging around then...

[Desnudo]

Didn't realize they could kill two wizards unless one was protecting the other somehow.

Lathum voted for me during day 6 (on the other hand, he first voted for Gram who we know is a wizard by now). If I were everyone else I'd vote to lynch me. Shall we put the deadline a little earlier to get this out of the way? :)

Lathum was poisoned, just like Blade was. I think TazFTW is the one doing the poisoning. Whether that makes him good or evil is something he'll have to explain.

[TazFTW]

My vial had nothing to do with the poisoning. It was for my own recreational use.

[Coder]

Weren't you still up when Gramm said he was going to go after Schmidty if the lynch vote went towards him, Coder? I could swear that you were still hanging around then...

Yes I was. I still don't understand his reasoning, that's why.

[Coder]

dola, on the other hand.. I'm the dumbest werewolf-player to ever play the game, bar none :D

[Desnudo]

My vial had nothing to do with the poisoning. It was for my own recreational use.

I'm also one of the dumbest werewolf players ever, so please spell it out in plainly for me. I didn't get the vial comment at the time and I still don't.

[TazFTW]

Harry Potter item.

[TazFTW]

1 time use and all that came out of it were dreams of Hermione.

[Desnudo]

What was the vial supposed to do?

[TazFTW]

Protect me during the day or during the night. Depends on when I used it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

PM box cleared..and sorry i died soo fast, the wolves dont like me it would appear...i take that as quite the compliment :) You did put a big target on your chest and scream "kill me, kill me"...

[Desnudo]

1 time use and all that came out of it were dreams of Hermione.

When did you use it?

[Coder]

I'm having a hard time voting.

I could vote for KWhit, who I have suspicions of, to make a feeble attempt at staying alive.

I could vote for Dubb, who I'm also suspicious of (despite his clear vote for KWhit), and basically kill myself doing so.

I could vote for Arden, who's either setting me up excellently, or has overanalyzed every post I've made, not considering the fact that I'm a newbie and bound to say some stupid things.

I could vote for RPI, who if you try to see things from a deatheater point of view has been voting very cleverly. Never taking a step into unexplored territory, yet making a little splash about it every time he does vote. For example, yesterday, he would know that both Gram and I were Wizards, so he could play his little game; looking like he's hesitating then finally tipping over on Gram. But that's just me being into conspiracies :).

Or I could vote for Desnudo, who's been so supportive of me that he's bound to be suspicious (and yes, I know he voted for me yesterday) :)

[Raiders Army]

I would've voted for dubb at this point, but it appears that it would be a non-factor. I strongly suggest we take him out tomorrow.

[Grammaticus]

I think the case against Kwhit is pretty good. He came in on the Qwik vote late and rode that one. He came in on WVU late as well. I believe it was when the Sndvl/WVU vote had just been moved off a tie by Dubb and Sun was the lynchee at the time. Qwik came in and said he believed Sun’s explanation that you could apparate/dis-apparate within the city limits. He did not state he was going for a tie or that he thought Sun was bad. Maybe he wanted to ride the wave out and hope sun lived and used the Occu-whatever to mask his true nature and the DE all live happily ever after, except without Qwik.

More than likely he had to get Sun off the hook or tie it back up and hope for a tie breaker in the DE favor but not look like a die hard Sun supporter. Well, we have already vetted out most of the people in that group, maybe we just lynch his AZZ and get that out of the way.

Did superman foil their plans with his last minute switch in the Sndvl/WVU. Did the man of steel hedge because he thought Sun was bad or because Dubb suggested Pass or Superman for a Duking, and he was afraid a tie would cause a Duking? Would an Azzhat have been awarded if that happened? Don’t know for now.

Now, Coder is another weird situation. Is he being deviously tricky as Saldana said, this was “a game with 2000 posts and the most unreal run of evil imaginable.”? I don’t know. I do know that Coder’s post #652
I didn't occur to me how they would get to someone to kill him until I read about Sndvls charm.. then it hit me that the most likely way to "infiltrate" a wizard's house without raising an alarm would be to apparate into it.. hence, the anti-disapparation charm would be a means of protecting oneself (or the house you're at).

and post 660

GOT IT

(Anti-Disapparation Charm)

Pronunciation: Unknown
Description: Used to prevent Disapparation in an area for a time. Presumably can be used to prevent an enemy from entering a defended area, or used to trap an enemy in an area.
Seen/Mentioned: Used by Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix during the Death Eater attack on the Department of Mysteries.

Sndvls is legit


He looked it up and still says that Anti-Disapparation will do an “anti” on Apparation, Huh?? Then says it clears Sndvl’s. Could this be a devious plot to turn Sndvl’s story into a legitimate use of the HP world, only to be foiled by Coffee Warlords clarification of WTF appearing and disappearing mean? With honorable mention to Latham for bringing it up, even though he did not sound like he believed himself and Neon Chaos for pounding it into oblivion with his end of vote rant?

Right now my vote is sitting on Coder, only because it looks like he lied. But man he is coming off like a true newbie, so I don’t know. I could easily go either way. I mean Kwhit has played a quite as hell game up until now and all those quite people need to be put on the spot at some point. I can easily change my vote. Which one sounds worse? Or is there some new evidence on someone else?

[Poli]

Gramm, I think Lathum was pointing at Coder last night before you "duked" Schmidty. What I found and that are enough for me. I haven't even listened to coder all day.

[Grammaticus]

Gramm, I think Lathum was pointing at Coder last night before you "duked" Schmidty. What I found and that are enough for me. I haven't even listened to coder all day.
Well, the reason I put my vote on Coder is because Lathum voted for him yesterday. But I'm still not sure if he scanned him or anything like that. He was the third vote on Coder. I would have felt better if he was the first vote on him.

[Poli]

He wasn't going to be after what I found, but I understand what you're saying.

[Grammaticus]

I should have duked one of the quite ones. Dammit that pisses me off. My only bad thought on Scmidty is that nothing was found in his room. He could have been the Dark Lords agent. One way or the other, I hope we nailed the crappy agent somewhere along the way.

[Coder]

Gram, you're mentioning my absolute worst moment in this game and it's actually good that you brought it up. Let me explain a little.

If you'd backtracked throughout that day's posts, you'd have seen that I was being very quiet up until then. All of a sudden I think I have something (obviously knowing "apparate" from having read the Potter-books). So here comes my complete hemmorage of posts about it.. I'm scouring every source I know that could have some info on the stuff. I google disapparate and I google anti-disapparate, then I wiki both of them.

At this point, it's late as hell here in Sweden, and on a work night to add to it, but I'm excited, my blood is pumping, I'm starting to realize what Werewolf is all about.. it's cool, I want to help.

Now I know what it means.. it's "only" 1 a.m. here now.. Apparate is to teleport SOMEWHERE.. dis-apparate is to teleport OUT of somewhere. The charm he was fumbling with is an Anti-disapparate charm, designed to bind wizards to a location, preventing them from dis-apparating away from there. It's a lockemup-spell if you wish.

Like I mentioned earlier, I was excited.. I scanned the wiki-text and read that it could be used as a defensive spell (not reading the text in it's entirety). This was enough for me, I was certain I had something.. Unfortunately I had to add the stupid comment "he's legit".

Had I been an experienced player, would I even have made that comment?

Anyway.. this is not meant as a defense-speech. I just felt I had to explain myself and that posting session so that you'll allow me to participate in future Werewolf games because this is a lot of fun :).

[Desnudo]

I think the case against Kwhit is pretty good. He came in on the Qwik vote late and rode that one. He came in on WVU late as well. I believe it was when the Sndvl/WVU vote had just been moved off a tie by Dubb and Sun was the lynchee at the time. Qwik came in and said he believed Sun’s explanation that you could apparate/dis-apparate within the city limits. He did not state he was going for a tie or that he thought Sun was bad. Maybe he wanted to ride the wave out and hope sun lived and used the Occu-whatever to mask his true nature and the DE all live happily ever after, except without Qwik.

More than likely he had to get Sun off the hook or tie it back up and hope for a tie breaker in the DE favor but not look like a die hard Sun supporter. Well, we have already vetted out most of the people in that group, maybe we just lynch his AZZ and get that out of the way.

Did superman foil their plans with his last minute switch in the Sndvl/WVU. Did the man of steel hedge because he thought Sun was bad or because Dubb suggested Pass or Superman for a Duking, and he was afraid a tie would cause a Duking? Would an Azzhat have been awarded if that happened? Don’t know for now.

Now, Coder is another weird situation. Is he being deviously tricky as Saldana said, this was “a game with 2000 posts and the most unreal run of evil imaginable.”? I don’t know. I do know that Coder’s post #652


and post 660




He looked it up and still says that Anti-Disapparation will do an “anti” on Apparation, Huh?? Then says it clears Sndvl’s. Could this be a devious plot to turn Sndvl’s story into a legitimate use of the HP world, only to be foiled by Coffee Warlords clarification of WTF appearing and disappearing mean? With honorable mention to Latham for bringing it up, even though he did not sound like he believed himself and Neon Chaos for pounding it into oblivion with his end of vote rant?

Right now my vote is sitting on Coder, only because it looks like he lied. But man he is coming off like a true newbie, so I don’t know. I could easily go either way. I mean Kwhit has played a quite as hell game up until now and all those quite people need to be put on the spot at some point. I can easily change my vote. Which one sounds worse? Or is there some new evidence on someone else?

I don't know. I found this definition:

Anti-Disapparition Jinx

no names or words given

Prevents someone from Apparating.

Dumbledore captured the Death Eaters who had been fighting in the Department of Mysteries and held them with an Anti-Disapparition Jinx (OP36).

It seems a reasonable deduction that the Prime Minister's office is protected against Apparition as an elementary security measure, since Fudge's visits to the Prime Minister there have always involved the Floo Network instead of Apparition, and since protection against Apparition isn't mentioned as part of the Prime Minister's new security arrangements (HBP1).

Most wizarding dwellings are magically protected against unwanted Apparators, according to Dumbledore, who confirmed that "you can't Apparate anywhere inside the buildings or grounds" of Hogwarts (HBP4). However, the Headmaster or Headmistress can temporarily lift the restriction from a specific area of the school for short periods, so that someone already within that area can Apparate to another place within the same area, although they cannot leave the area by Apparition (HBP18).

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/magic/spells/spells_a.html

So by that definition, it does do an anti on apparation (whatever the hell that means).

[Coder]

What I found and that are enough for me. I haven't even listened to coder all day.

That's kind of interesting..

I'm curious.. when I'm lynched.. what would you make out of Ardent in case I'm a wizard?

I'm honestly interested how you would interpret this.

[Coder]

So by that definition, it does do an anti on apparation (whatever the hell that means).

You probably hadn't read my previous post when you wrote that, but it's basically explained there what apparate and dis-apparate means, and what and anti-disapparate charm is.

[Desnudo]

Well, the reason I put my vote on Coder is because Lathum voted for him yesterday. But I'm still not sure if he scanned him or anything like that. He was the third vote on Coder. I would have felt better if he was the first vote on him.

I don't think so, or else Lathum would have pushed harder for a Coder vote, imo. Actually, AE is more suspicious to me than Coder at this point.

[Raiders Army]

Gram, you're mentioning my absolute worst moment in this game and it's actually good that you brought it up. Let me explain a little.

Anyway.. this is not meant as a defense-speech. I just felt I had to explain myself and that posting session so that you'll allow me to participate in future Werewolf games because this is a lot of fun :).
If it's not a defense speech, why did you wait until he brought it up to explain yourself?

[Coder]

If it's not a defense speech, why did you wait until he brought it up to explain yourself?

I've been thinking about it ever since AE posted it, and I've tried to explain it a few times.. This time I just spent a bit more words on it.

[Raiders Army]

Gotcha.

[TazFTW]

VOTE KWHIT

[Coder]

Well for once I will actually get to bed before 2 a.m. and I will do so with a vote to, well, try to save my skin. While I think that the wizards would benefit more from me being lynched (and see that I'm being framed), I will vote Kwhit today and if I survive the night put my next vote on Ardent for setting me up.

Vote Kwhit

Either way, even lynching me is a win-win situation since you will then know that AE is a deatheater.. a very well spoken deatheater, but still a deatheater :).

[Poli]

I've actually expected that kind of comment out of you for a long time, coder.

[Coder]

I would love to stick around for the discussions but I really need to sleep more than 4 hours to maintain at least a decent appearance at work this week :).

This is an interesting situation though, I just thought about when I was so certain Wednesday was a deatheater.. now I'm the one being scrutinized.. I understand how frustrated he must have felt :).

[Coder]

I've actually expected that kind of comment out of you for a long time, coder.


Happy to oblige :D

Lets hope I get lynched then.

[Poli]

Happy to oblige :D

Lets hope I get lynched then.That's why I voted for you. I wish more people would. I like how you've dodged the lynch so far.

[Coder]

That's why I voted for you. I wish more people would. I like how you've dodged the lynch so far.

Now you're overdoing it. Had you stopped at the first post (the long one), and not kept pushing it this hard, I would have still had you for a wizard. But with all these little pinpointers and little comments you're sort of making it into quite a big thing, whereas if you really were just a wizard, you wouldn't be able to be so certain.

[Poli]

Whatever. I caught you. You're done. I'm willing to be lynched if I'm wrong.

[Coder]

Whatever. I caught you. You're done. I'm willing to be lynched if I'm wrong.

:cool:

Good night kids

[RPI-Fan]

VOTE KWHIT

Don't like his late votes, don't like his quiet-ness.

[KWhit]

Ack. This isn't going well for me.

Well, I tried to explain my vote for Qwik - everyone keeps calling it a late vote, but it wasn't. Like I said before, there were 5 people who switched to Qwik after me.

And the Sndvls/WVUfan vote was because it seemed more likely that his claim of having a disapparating charm was true than for him to make that up. It seemed plausible that something like that could be in the game.

You'll make a mistake if you continue to vote for me.

[KWhit]

And with all that said,

Vote Coder.

[Desnudo]

The follwing records the final votes for all the remaining members of the village.

Analysis based on votes:

Jesse - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Path x2), 1 unknown vote
Dubb - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 3 wizard votes (Alan. Mr. W, Schmidty), 1 unknown vote
Lathum - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 3 wizard votes (Path x3), 1 unknown vote
Superman - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 1 wizard vote (Path), 2 unknown votes
WVUFan - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Mr. W x2)
Pass - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Alan, Mr. W), 1 unknown vote
KWhit - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 3 wizard votes (Mr. W, Path, Gramm), 1 unknown vote
King - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 3 wizard votes (Path x2, Gramm), 2 unknown votes
RPI - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 3 wizard votes (Alan, Path, Gramm), 2 unknown votes
Desnudo - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 3 wizard votes (Mr. W x2, CW), 2 unknown votes
Taz - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 5 wizard votes (superman, Mr. W x2, Path, Gramm)
Jeeber - 3 wizard votes (blade, Path x2), 3 unknown votes
RA - 4 wizard votes (Alan, Mr. W, Gramm x2), 1 unknown vote
AE - 4 wizard votes (Neon, Alan, Mr. W, Gramm), 2 unknown votes
Coder - 5 wizard votes (Mr. W x2, CW, Gramm x2), 1 unknown vote


Coder is now my #1 suspect.
WVUFan is not far behind with him missing 3 votes already.

This is sort of a crossroads vote. The question is, who are the DEs, the guys hiding in plain sight like Coder, AE, Jeeber, and RA (I know, obviously all three aren't one and if Coder is one, AE obviously is not), or the guys with DE votes as cover, like Taz, who has an awful record besides the Qwik landslide?

I just don't see Dubb or Jesse voting for SnDvls if they are DEs, even as some part dubious plot. It made much more sense to sow confusion by having SnDvls left alive and and scanned as clear. Dubb is obviously devious, but I don't know if even he is this devious.

[Jesse_Ewiak]

VOTE CODER

Basically - I trust AE. I may be completely wrong on this, but between the two...I trust AE more than Coder i this game.

[Raiders Army]

Well, in my defense two of the wizard votes were because I thought Mr. Wednesday said he was the bodyguard, so I switched off him to Alan (who was lynched). Then I voted for Mr. Wednesday because I thought he misled me.

The other two votes were for Grammaticus. I think those are pretty self-explanatory.

[saldana]

the day began with 2 dead wizards. you lost another seer. the ministry has given up on you. and it has become apparent that those of you that remain are lost in your search for the Death Eaters. 12 hours of debate. 12 hours of daylight. 12 hours out of the Death Eater's reach and all you can come up with is a tie. Six votes for Coder, six votes for kwhit. There were arguments for and against each, but neither side was able to convince the others to sway to the other side. Seeing as how Grammaticus was fired yesterday, the only way to break the tie is based upon the fact that the six votes for Kwhit came first. The Dementor almost seems like it wants to destroy both of the days candidates, but as the same resigned sense of defeat washes over Kwhit the Dementor swoops down upon him, once again leaving a shell of the Wizard that had once lived in his body. The feeling that you may have broken the streak quickly dissipates as yet again, nothing marks the arms of Kwhit. You have destroyed yet another ally in your battle, and the thought that you may only have a few days and nights left until the end crosses your minds for the first time.

day 7 has ended. night actions are due by 9:30am

[Desnudo]

Damnit. Cue dead people taunting.

[Coffee Warlord]

I shoulda joined the death eaters. :)

[kingfc22]

Go DE's!!!






Ummm, I mean go wizards....

[Barkeep49]

It's always nice to see defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

[Neon_Chaos]

Headless chicken, baby!

[Blade6119]

It's always nice to see defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.
We handed them two wolves in two days...honestly, this game is terribly painful to watch...they just cant do right

[Neon_Chaos]

Worst. Werewolf. Players. Ever.

:)

[Blade6119]

And whats funny is every person who has died in the past few days thinks everyone else is a moron...when they were right there lynching villagers

[hoopsguy]

Guys, every veteran WW player has a bad game or three in their past - not the most cool thing for the dead guys to mock the active players with a broad brush.

That said, this is a pretty sustained run of villager death.

[Neon_Chaos]

And whats funny is every person who has died in the past few days thinks everyone else is a moron...when they were right there lynching villagers
Don't look at me. I nailed two Death Eaters in two days.

[KWhit]

Ack! I've been voted off the island!

Have fun, boys.

[saldana]

Guys, every veteran WW player has a bad game or three in their past - not the most cool thing for the dead guys to mock the active players with a broad brush.

That said, this is a pretty sustained run of villager death.

i must agree with this, will the dead please keep all strained agony in the privacy of PM's, and let the living keep trying to find a DE.

[Desnudo]

I would have double bagged it, blah, blah, blah.

[Barkeep49]

Well I was a bit of a jerk (sorry guys!), especially as this is actually what I predicted would happen after the 2 for 2. I think it could still swing either way and will enjoy seeing how it's played out.

[Alan T]

Its just a game guys, don't be mean. Sometimes you are right, sometimes you aren't. Lets let everyone enjoy it and see how it turns out.

[Grammaticus]

the day began with 2 dead wizards. you lost another seer. the ministry has given up on you. and it has become apparent that those of you that remain are lost in your search for the Death Eaters. 12 hours of debate. 12 hours of daylight. 12 hours out of the Death Eater's reach and all you can come up with is a tie. Six votes for Coder, six votes for kwhit. There were arguments for and against each, but neither side was able to convince the others to sway to the other side. Seeing as how Grammaticus was fired yesterday, the only way to break the tie is based upon the fact that the six votes for Kwhit came first. The Dementor almost seems like it wants to destroy both of the days candidates, but as the same resigned sense of defeat washes over Kwhit the Dementor swoops down upon him, once again leaving a shell of the Wizard that had once lived in his body. The feeling that you may have broken the streak quickly dissipates as yet again, nothing marks the arms of Kwhit. You have destroyed yet another ally in your battle, and the thought that you may only have a few days and nights left until the end crosses your minds for the first time.

day 7 has ended. night actions are due by 9:30am


I supose this means we find nothing in his room? Okay.

[Grammaticus]

Oh, and I guess that answers our tie question. If there was a tie breaker he is dead or has not voted/participated.

[Neon_Chaos]

Oh, and I guess that answers our tie question. If there was a tie breaker he is dead or has not voted/participated.
:rolleyes:

[kingfc22]

And whats funny is every person who has died in the past few days thinks everyone else is a moron...when they were right there lynching villagers
I was just trying to be funny with my comment. The wizards still have a good chance to wn IMO. You on the other hand seem to believe that you could win this game by yourself.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Don't look at me. I nailed two Death Eaters in two days.Yeah, and you were also convinced I was a bad guy, so nobody's perfect. :D

[JeeberD]

Goddamn, this ain't looking good... :(

.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Er, sorry 'bout that, I replied to Neon's kibbitzing before I saw saldana's cease and desist.

[Neon_Chaos]

Yeah, and you were also convinced I was a bad guy, so nobody's perfect. :D
Yep. :D But as it is, I'm 2 of 2... so there. :)

[Desnudo]

Seriously Neon, grow up a little and show some respect for others.

[Desnudo]

dola, referring to the roll eyes comment.

[Schmidty]

Worst. Werewolf. Players. Ever.

:)

Class is something you don't possess, and I am embarrassed that I ever played in one of your games. I would say more but I don't want to stoop to your level. You are just making yourself look extremely bad.

This game has made me sad about WW in more ways than one.

[Schmidty]

:rolleyes:

You really need to just stay out of thread. You ran a game of WW? I was in it?

Ouch. I really wonder about certain things.

By the way, how old are you? Just curious.

[Coder]

Bla..

[Coder]

If there's anything I've learned since the weekend it's that voting patterns are useless to go by as well..

[Lathum]

boo

[Coder]

Without knowing from other games, I'm guessing that one of the hard parts about this game is the amount of players.. what's the usual good guy/bad guy ratio?

[Coder]

Lessons learned:

Be less active
Don't try to help
Be less verbose in explaining your votes

[kingfc22]

boo
LOL, the ghost game. That was awesome.

[Coder]

I'm going to be away from my computer most of the day and evening Swedish time, but I'm pretty sure I won't be killed tonight. Wasting an assassination on me would be useless since I'm the top candidate for a lynching.

I'm still shocked I wasn't lynched yesterday.. I should have voted for Ardent and have all this over and done with.

Just promise me this, if the playing field is still open after I'm dead (i.e. the ratio is not 1:1 yet), vote for Ardent. Knowing that I'm innocent would at least make it obvious that he's a deatheater.. like I said yesterday, he's been overdoing his accusations lately. Had he stopped at "..and this is my evidence" and just made that long post, he would have been a sure bet in my eyes as a wizard. But the way he's been playing it, he's acted way too sure lately, sort of "driving home the point".

[Neon_Chaos]

I know that we might share different takes on how WW should be played but after running several games I've always held that if you're going to play WW, you're going to have to be ready to be insulted in whatever way shape or form by anyone. There is no place for sensitivity in the game. You have to have pretty thick skin.

As long as whatever is said in the game by the dead players do not compromise the integrity of the game rules / technical stuff / roles then I don't see why it can't be said. It's Werewolf, and out-and-out ribbing and insulting is fair game. Of course whatever is said/done in WW should not go beyond the confines of the thread. My Worst. Werewolf. Players. Ever. comment was most probably accurately put... save for my very first WW game ever (when I managed to lynch about 6 fellow Villagers in dumbass fashion. Ha). If anyone ribbed or poked fun at me during that time, I wouldn't feel insulted, heck, I'd probably agree .

I'm sad that you feel like I'm being a complete ass (which, in retrospect, I probably was)... but I want you to know that it's all just in the context of the game, and not how I'd feel or act outside it.
When I ran my WW games, I allowed pretty much anything to be said... AS LONG as it didn't compromise the game itself. That's why I get pretty mad when in-game technicalities are blurted out by dead people in the midst of heated arguments. That's a big WW no-no.

I'd like to apologize to the guys who were offended, if you feel that you're ashamed of whatever I've posted, but in no way have I compromised the game by doing any role reveals or putting in any additional information that I have acquired after my WW death. All my ribbings and side-comments are done in good fun (and frustration).

That said, and in light of Saldana's request, I'll be doing the rest of my talking when this game is over.

GO WIZARDS!

[Blade6119]

I was just trying to be funny with my comment. The wizards still have a good chance to wn IMO. You on the other hand seem to believe that you could win this game by yourself.
Far from it, but i think i would have a far different approach during the past few days that may or may not have affected things...its easy to say when dead you would do differently, but i know a few things i would have seen regardless. Either way its a team effort, no one can win a game alone(besides duke i guess).

[Blade6119]

I know that we might share different takes on how WW should be played but after running several games I've always held that if you're going to play WW, you're going to have to be ready to be insulted in whatever way shape or form by anyone. There is no place for sensitivity in the game. You have to have pretty thick skin.

As long as whatever is said in the game by the dead players do not compromise the integrity of the game rules / technical stuff / roles then I don't see why it can't be said. It's Werewolf, and out-and-out ribbing and insulting is fair game. Of course whatever is said/done in WW should not go beyond the confines of the thread. My Worst. Werewolf. Players. Ever. comment was most probably accurately put... save for my very first WW game ever (when I managed to lynch about 6 fellow Villagers in dumbass fashion. Ha). If anyone ribbed or poked fun at me during that time, I wouldn't feel insulted, heck, I'd probably agree .

I'm sad that you feel like I'm being a complete ass (which, in retrospect, I probably was)... but I want you to know that it's all just in the context of the game, and not how I'd feel or act outside it.
When I ran my WW games, I allowed pretty much anything to be said... AS LONG as it didn't compromise the game itself. That's why I get pretty mad when in-game technicalities are blurted out by dead people in the midst of heated arguments. That's a big WW no-no.

I'd like to apologize to the guys who were offended, if you feel that you're ashamed of whatever I've posted, but in no way have I compromised the game by doing any role reveals or putting in any additional information that I have acquired after my WW death. All my ribbings and side-comments are done in good fun (and frustration).

That said, and in light of Saldana's request, I'll be doing the rest of my talking when this game is over.

GO WIZARDS!

Id have to echo all of this...i know for a fact my first 5-6 games no one liked me or my play style, i single handily lost a few games for us i think, and was known as "wolves best friend". I took these jibes, all light hearted...thats all we have done here...i know even king who is fed up with them was not to kind to me back then...nothing more then play, but i too will step down

[Blade6119]

And i will say neons "worst players ever" comment may have been to harsh to publicly, and for that i apologize on his behalf and my own if my comments offended anyone...just a game, and i was merely playing around. If anyone took it seriously(which i know one did after posts in another thread), i apologize

[Blade6119]

If there's anything I've learned since the weekend it's that voting patterns are useless to go by as well..
Generally they are a wonderful tool, and really could have been in this game at a certain time...unfortunately after talking about said topic for so long the wolves have obviously done everything in their power to manipulate the results we all see everyday. Sadly, it has worked so far, but the game isnt over so lets hope

[Coder]

Have a few minutes and naturally I can't help myself from looking in the thread.. this is fun, even though right now it's very frustrating. I was quite disheartened about my game so far until I read Neon's post about his first game which made me feel better :).

As far as the jibes etc go.. I definately think that dead people should refrain from making comments about how poor the others are. However, I'm all for the ones still alive being allowed to say pretty much anything.

Take this thing that Ardent is doing for example, maybe a few days ago I would have taken it another way.. but I think that Schmidty said it best in his own post when talking about his and Dubb's little argument.

"That's why it seems like a desperate ploy. A rude one, but still a ploy."

I'm taking every little personal insult from a live player to be an attempt to rattle me. I am not taking it to be a personal attack on anyone but my wizard (i.e. not myself)

[Grammaticus]

Generally following is what I have. The trusted is based on actions taken and critical info provided that hurt the DE. The least is based on attempts to confuse and place votes that are not strongly supported by any reason presented in the posts. Of course there is also, what I think may be a lie by Coder.

Most Trusted
Desnudo
Dubb
Pass
Superman

Least Trusted
RA
Coder
RPI
Taz
WVU
AE
Jeeber
Jesse

[Buccaneer]

If there's anything I've learned since the weekend it's that voting patterns are useless to go by as well..
They wouldn't be if 1) they had some thought behind them instead of picking at random and 2) there weren't so many to choose from.

[Raiders Army]

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Coder]

They wouldn't be if 1) they had some thought behind them instead of picking at random and 2) there weren't so many to choose from.

The thing is, one could spin a yarn around any voting pattern. I bet I could take any of the votes made up until now and analyze each one and make the voter look like a deatheater.

[Coder]

You're always early Raiders :) They haven't killed anyone yet.

[Coder]

Of course there is also, what I think may be a lie by Coder.


I don't blame you.

Strangely enough, my list would be:

Most Trusted
Desnudo
Gram

Least Trusted
Dubb
Ardent

Drawing complete blank but everyone's a suspect
Everyone else

[Raiders Army]

You're always early Raiders :) They haven't killed anyone yet.
Well, I'm trying to get a DE. :) Didn't go for dubb since he seems to be on the level (which is different from what I thought yesterday). I really think that the DEs are quiet and letting us pick each other off.

[SnDvls]

Damnit. Cue dead people taunting.

You called :D

EdIT: sorry didn't see Sal's post. This isn't ment to be mean, just all in the fun of WW. I'll leave up my origianl post so you can see it's not ment in a meanness manner.

[Coder]

Ouch.. looks like Jeebs is out of it.. he just got a week in the bin.

[Alan T]

what did he do?

[Raiders Army]

See the drunk guy thread. Posted a NSFW pic unintentionally.

[TazFTW]

Then there's also WVU dropping out and Pass going awol so that's 3.

[Coder]

According to my calculations that is 10 left..

AE
Desnudo
Coder
Raiders Army
TazFTW
Dubb
Superman
RPI
Gram
Jessie

[Coder]

And that's before assassination today..

[Poli]

Coder, the only reason I keep pressing is because...duh, I think I caught you and for the past two friggin days you've lived.

I think this is a huge mistake on our part. We're working without a seer and so I took the time to review all the posts. I originally started that post just looking for anything. That's why Lathum's post about the sneakoscope came up...that's why I originally held contempt for superman. I still do, but that's backburner compared to you.

You think I'm pressing? You obviously don't know me very well.

[Poli]

And, I'm sick. Started getting sick yesterday. Full blown sick today. I doubt I'm on the computer much at all today.

[Coder]

You think I'm pressing? You obviously don't know me very well.

Of course I don't, this is my first game ever.. but boy will you look silly when I die :)

[saldana]

Anger seems to be the only emotion left among those left in the villagers. Anger at the living for not being able to find the Death Eaters, anger at the dead for being annoying ghosts that dont shut up when told, and anger at their own selves after the knowledge that they might be letting this town slip away. Then comes the darkness, the time of the Death Eaters. They have owned the night and each night they have become more brazen. Tonight it seems they have more of the same in store for you all, as you hear laughter and cheering, but not the sounds of running, nor do you see the green glow of the Dark Mark. Cautiously, you peek out into the Town Square and see several Death Eaters (you cant be sure of the exact number, but there is more than one) throwing the still live body of RPI-Fan up into the air and then letting it crash back to the ground in a heap. This is worse than the Cruciatus torture, as RPI goes up and down a half dozen times to roars of laughter, as the Death Eaters appear to be having some kind of contest to see who can make RPI bounce the highest when they release the Levicorpus spell. Finally, with a sickening thud, RPI lands squarely on his face, pointing straight down, so that his neck skews at an unnatural angle, ending with the back of his head touching the space between his shoulder blades. Another roar of laughter, and the Death Eaters now turn and run, not even bothering to cast the Dark Mark, already assured of having everyone's attention. Obviously RPI was a Wizard, and his belongings are nothing but a large number of Daily Prophet clippings about Quidditch games and scribbled notes about which team was better than others. Perhaps if he had spent more time on finding Death Eaters and less time on Quidditch, you all think to yourselves, his broken and busted up corpse wouldnt be laying in the middle of town.

It is now Day 8, lynch votes are due by 9:30. stay tuned for an important announcement.

[Poli]

VOTE Coder.

If you're not a DE, then I'll walk the plank myself. I've been so friggin frustrated throughout this game I'd welcome death at that point.

[Raiders Army]

What I think is that none of the "vocal" people are DEs. They're killing off the ones that are silent and they're letting us kill the ones that are vocal. Hence, my vote for Pass.

[saldana]

here is an updated player list: please note that WVUFan has been graciously replaced by Thomkal, WVU requested this as he didnt want to hurt the game by not being able to remain committed to playing because of real life issues.

1.Alan T - Lynched Day 3
2.SnDvls - Lynched Day 2, DEATH EATER
3.Barkeep49 - Murdered, Night 1
4.Path12 - Lynched, Day 5
5.Mr. Wednesday - lynched, day 4
6.Ardent Enthusiast - Alive
7.Dacman - murdered, night 5
8.Lathum - poisoned, night 6
9.Blade6119 - Poisoned, Night 1
10.St Cronin - Tortured to death, Night 3
11.Passacaglia - Alive
12.Desnudo - Alive
13.Coder - Alive
14.Raiders Army - Alive
15.Schmidty - Duked by Gram, Day 6
16.KWhit - lynched Day 7
17.TazFTW - Alive
18.Dubb93 - Alive
19.JeeberD - Alive
20.ThomKal(replacing WVUFan) - Alive
21.Kingfc22 - murdered night 6
22.Superman=#54 - Alive
23.RPI-Fan - beaten to death, night 7
24.Grammaticus - Alive
25.Coffee Warlord - Murdered, Night 4
26.Neon_Chaos - Murdered, Night 2
27.Jesse_Ewiak - Alive
28.Quikshot - Lynched Day 1, DEATH EATER

any thoughts on what to do about jeeber in the bin and pass being awol are welcome.

[Raiders Army]

If they're DEs, just kill them and help us to win the game. :)

[Thomkal]

:::casts a spell to turn from WVUFan to Thomkal:::

Heya Fellow Wizards and assorted evils!

Glad to jump in to help, just let me live one day is all I ask. :) I have not and likely will not read the entire thread, probably sticking to the last 10 pages or so. If you would all be so helpful as to chime in with why I should not consider you to be a DE, that would be much appreciated.

[TazFTW]

I think WVUFan was a death eater. Let's lynch him today.












;)

[Coder]

LYNCH HIM!

[Thomkal]

:::aims his wand at Taz and Coder:::

Which of you want to be turned into a toad first? :)

[Desnudo]

I know that we might share different takes on how WW should be played but after running several games I've always held that if you're going to play WW, you're going to have to be ready to be insulted in whatever way shape or form by anyone. There is no place for sensitivity in the game. You have to have pretty thick skin.

As long as whatever is said in the game by the dead players do not compromise the integrity of the game rules / technical stuff / roles then I don't see why it can't be said. It's Werewolf, and out-and-out ribbing and insulting is fair game. Of course whatever is said/done in WW should not go beyond the confines of the thread. My Worst. Werewolf. Players. Ever. comment was most probably accurately put... save for my very first WW game ever (when I managed to lynch about 6 fellow Villagers in dumbass fashion. Ha). If anyone ribbed or poked fun at me during that time, I wouldn't feel insulted, heck, I'd probably agree .

I'm sad that you feel like I'm being a complete ass (which, in retrospect, I probably was)... but I want you to know that it's all just in the context of the game, and not how I'd feel or act outside it.
When I ran my WW games, I allowed pretty much anything to be said... AS LONG as it didn't compromise the game itself. That's why I get pretty mad when in-game technicalities are blurted out by dead people in the midst of heated arguments. That's a big WW no-no.

I'd like to apologize to the guys who were offended, if you feel that you're ashamed of whatever I've posted, but in no way have I compromised the game by doing any role reveals or putting in any additional information that I have acquired after my WW death. All my ribbings and side-comments are done in good fun (and frustration).

That said, and in light of Saldana's request, I'll be doing the rest of my talking when this game is over.

GO WIZARDS!

I appreciate the apologies and I believe you and Blade are both sincere. I do feel I need to point out that you and Blade are both dead, therefore your role in the game is over, erego, being insulting and belittling accomplishes nothing except making people enjoy the game less. I think you're also missing the line between good natured ribbing over getting people killed and personally insulting people's intelligence.

Anyway, my last thing to add will be that maybe if all of our important roles hadn't gotten themselves killed in the first few days, things would be a little easier right now. Something to think about for your next game.

[Grammaticus]

any thoughts on what to do about jeeber in the bin and pass being awol are welcome.
Hmm, swap them for Blade and Hoops

[Coder]

Hmm, swap them for Blade and Hoops

Excellent idea! :)

[SnDvls]

any thoughts on what to do about jeeber in the bin and pass being awol are welcome.

Didn't I see SackAttack post in here somewhere about missing the signup. Ping him and mabey Bucc as he lurks often and seems to be following along. Another other vet WW player I can't think of that might have missed on the signups? hoops?

[gottimd]

saldana, check your PM's.

[Blade6119]

Didn't I see SackAttack post in here somewhere about missing the signup. Ping him and mabey Bucc as he lurks often and seems to be following along. Another other vet WW player I can't think of that might have missed on the signups? hoops?
Hoops cannot play, due to knowledge of roles

[Blade6119]

I appreciate the apologies and I believe you and Blade are both sincere. I do feel I need to point out that you and Blade are both dead, therefore your role in the game is over, erego, being insulting and belittling accomplishes nothing except making people enjoy the game less. I think you're also missing the line between good natured ribbing over getting people killed and personally insulting people's intelligence.

Anyway, my last thing to add will be that maybe if all of our important roles hadn't gotten themselves killed in the first few days, things would be a little easier right now. Something to think about for your next game.
We traded barkeep and neon for 2 wolves...i call that an amazingly good trade for the villagers, esp. in the first two days...my death sucks, but such is assasination....but trying to tell me 2-2 or even 3-2 is a bad deal in a game this big is hilarious...think about that for next game...us early dead did everything in our power to set you guys up to win, which we did, and it is hardly our fault if that goal has not been realized...

And as i said, i used to be called "Warewolfs Best Friend" by many, even players still alive or dead but complaining about the jabs...its all good natured, and actually drove me to be a better player...i think people need to get over their big egos. If i killed like 10 villagers in a row(including night) i would expect everyone to make fun of me. if i lynched three wolves id expect praise...its not the players i was poking fun at more as the result. People are just too sensitive to realize its a game on an internet message board and its all for fun. Im sorry if you took offense to my comments, but i still stand by the right i should be able to say anything i want as long as it doesnt effect the outcome of the game in any way

[Schmidty]

I just realized that I've been extremely sensitive and whiney this game. The times when I got that way seemed to coincide with the couple times that I had a bit too much to drink. ;)

My bad, guys.

[saldana]

you all are going to pay for all this offense/apology crap at the end of the day...now lets say everyone is sorry for being schmucks, they all apologized, and everyone accepted and get on with the game...or doesnt the fact that the Death Eaters played ping pong with RPI fan last night bother anyone?

[Schmidty]

you all are going to pay for all this offense/apology crap at the end of the day...now lets say everyone is sorry for being schmucks, they all apologized, and everyone accepted and get on with the game...or doesnt the fact that the Death Eaters played ping pong with RPI fan last night bother anyone?

Doh!!!!!! Now I apologize for apologizing.

[Eaglesfan27]

If you all need a replacement still, I'm interested in joining. However, work has been chaotic and I can only guarantee activity from about 6 or 7 PM until 1 AM or so most weekdays and more open windows of activity on the weekends.

[Desnudo]

We traded barkeep and neon for 2 wolves...i call that an amazingly good trade for the villagers, esp. in the first two days...my death sucks, but such is assasination....but trying to tell me 2-2 or even 3-2 is a bad deal in a game this big is hilarious...think about that for next game...us early dead did everything in our power to set you guys up to win, which we did, and it is hardly our fault if that goal has not been realized...

And as i said, i used to be called "Warewolfs Best Friend" by many, even players still alive or dead but complaining about the jabs...its all good natured, and actually drove me to be a better player...i think people need to get over their big egos. If i killed like 10 villagers in a row(including night) i would expect everyone to make fun of me. if i lynched three wolves id expect praise...its not the players i was poking fun at more as the result. People are just too sensitive to realize its a game on an internet message board and its all for fun. Im sorry if you took offense to my comments, but i still stand by the right i should be able to say anything i want as long as it doesnt effect the outcome of the game in any way

I think the reverse, in a game this big. With the amount of DEs out there, two is an impact, but not a huge one. Different outlooks. I just find your everlasting belief in your ability and lack of belief in everyone who hasn't played 10 of these, laughable.. Btw, I have played in three of these before and understand basic problem solving techniques, so I think I qualify as able to function without dripping saliva from my mouth.

And you can't have it both ways, how are we supposed to protect people at night? Our bodyguards are dead...

[saldana]

ALERT: EaglesFan27 has now stepped in and will be taking over the slot of Passacaglia (anyone hear from him at all?). Consequently, i am not counting the vote that was cast for Pass earlier in the day, working under the assumption that it was being put out there because Pass has been awol. If you would like the vote to stand (i think it was RA's), please revote for Eaglesfan27. thanks for stepping in Eagles.

[TazFTW]

please revote for Eaglesfan27. thanks for stepping in Eagles.
Welcome to the game!

[Eaglesfan27]

Don't twist his words and vote for me. I'm here to help the good guys. :)

[Desnudo]

Welcome. Help us out please Doc. Only 44 pages to go through.

[Blade6119]

I think the reverse, in a game this big. With the amount of DEs out there, two is an impact, but not a huge one. Different outlooks. I just find your everlasting belief in your ability and lack of belief in everyone who hasn't played 10 of these, laughable.. Btw, I have played in three of these before and understand basic problem solving techniques, so I think I qualify as able to function without dripping saliva from my mouth.

And you can't have it both ways, how are we supposed to protect people at night? Our bodyguards are dead...
Not at all...i judge on a game to game basis...the past two games i really didnt think cronin played all that great(no offense buddy)...this game he played solid, made great observations, and i respect that. I could care less if you have played 0 or 10, all that matter is how you play the game. If you read other threads i have been very vocal that the run i had the past few games was all luck and id revert back to my villager killing ways shortly. I do believe i would have taken this a very different route due to some glaring clues that have been out there, but anyone can say coulda woulda...but i guess you have to actually study these things to know stuff like that :rolleyes: . I have yet to say anything about you not being able to function, only that it is god awful(and it is) that the entire group has lynched soo many villagers in a row. Its not neccesarily bad villager play, as they obviously are being outplayed by the wolves currently. But for me to say the past few days were peachy and the villagers are doing a great job is a bald faced lie.

I didnt say you were supposed to protect people at night, just adding them into the total villager dead run count. In my mind, losing barkeep and neon hurt, yes...but i think it hurt them far more to lose two wolves...and we had roles that either people didnt use or didnt work(the duking) that potentially were very powerful...ill agree to disagree about a 2-2 tradeoff, but in my mind with the numbers advantage we started with it was a great thing.

And with that im done arguing, or "debating"...sorry to disturb saldana, welcome eagles and thomkal!!!

[Qwikshot]

I love lamp.

I'm enjoying the read, sorry I try not to add any input except to say I enjoy reading (even dead) and I try to not judge ability...especially after dying the first lynch day.

[Desnudo]

Not at all...i judge on a game to game basis...the past two games i really didnt think cronin played all that great(no offense buddy)...this game he played solid, made great observations, and i respect that. I could care less if you have played 0 or 10, all that matter is how you play the game. If you read other threads i have been very vocal that the run i had the past few games was all luck and id revert back to my villager killing ways shortly. I do believe i would have taken this a very different route due to some glaring clues that have been out there, but anyone can say coulda woulda...but i guess you have to actually study these things to know stuff like that :rolleyes: . I have yet to say anything about you not being able to function, only that it is god awful(and it is) that the entire group has lynched soo many villagers in a row. Its not neccesarily bad villager play, as they obviously are being outplayed by the wolves currently. But for me to say the past few days were peachy and the villagers are doing a great job is a bald faced lie.

I didnt say you were supposed to protect people at night, just adding them into the total villager dead run count. In my mind, losing barkeep and neon hurt, yes...but i think it hurt them far more to lose two wolves...and we had roles that either people didnt use or didnt work(the duking) that potentially were very powerful...ill agree to disagree about a 2-2 tradeoff, but in my mind with the numbers advantage we started with it was a great thing.

And with that im done arguing, or "debating"...sorry to disturb saldana, welcome eagles and thomkal!!!

Fair enough. I agree that we've missed some clues, maybe some obvious, as obviously the DEs can't be perfect. I don't think anyone would say we are doing a great job. A completely incompetent job, well that will only be determined at the end of the game. If you subtract out the number of people getting killed at night (since we apparently have no way to protect them), the record isn't horrible.

Anyway, hopefully with some fresh insight we can still win this thing.

[Poli]

I agree. I thought we were on a roll during those first two days. I've been nothing but frustrated ever since...well, maybe just over the past few days.

It sucks being sick.

[Raiders Army]

No need to unvote Pass (or EF).

Going with Jesse today:

VOTE JESSE EWIAK

[Raiders Army]

Let me see if my theory holds any water here.

[saldana]

that will only be determined at the end of the game. If you subtract out the number of people getting killed at night (since we apparently have no way to protect them), the record isn't horrible.



i guarantee there will be a serious amount of profanity from everyone (wizards and death eaters) when i post the game recap and you all see some of the behind the board stuff. :eek:

[Blade6119]

i guarantee there will be a serious amount of profanity from everyone (wizards and death eaters) when i post the game recap and you all see some of the behind the board stuff. :eek:
LOL, most people will get a kick out of much of it...even the deatheaters will get a kick out of some of it...there has been some hilarity alright

[Eaglesfan27]

Welcome. Help us out please Doc. Only 44 pages to go through.
I'm starting to slug through them, and hoping that the clinic day remains light. :)

[Poli]

Baths are my friend. I just had my second of the day.

[TazFTW]

VOTE CODER

Might as well see if Ardent's conclusion is correct. Nothing else for me to go on.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm through 250 posts. Only another 1900 plus to go ;)

[dubb93]

I'm going to vote Jesse

He's been quiet, and I've had a bad feeling about him for a while.

Anyone else got a bad feeling about the new guys? I mean if one of them turns out to be a DE I'm going to be pissed, b/c we have nothing on them this late in the game.

[Poli]

I'm through 250 posts. Only another 1900 plus to go ;)I know exactly what you're going through. :)

[Thomkal]

I'm through 250 posts. Only another 1900 plus to go ;)
Me too. :)

[Eaglesfan27]

I know exactly what you're going through. :)
At least there is some great humor in this thread, besides it being a very intriguing game. I had a few LOL moments on pages 7 and 8. Then again, I've now got my co-workers wondering what I'm reading on this computer ;)

[Eaglesfan27]

in case anyone was wondering, we are now just over halfway to the biggest werewolf thread ever....the magic number is 2613
It seems like this thread will easily eclipse that number...

[Eaglesfan27]

All right. I've done my college homework, my sailors are asleep. I can try and tackle this now. Yesterday I spent most of the night swimming through the posts looking for anything that might help me.

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Blade, do you have some sort of dark detection device like a sneakoscope ? Did you fall into a pensive by any chance?

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This didn't make much sense to me previously, but now that path has died I think Lathum may possess dark detectors. That being the case, I will be trusting Lathum more.

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A vote on me would be wasted let the DE attack me first before I die...
I'm not going to bandwagon on SnDvls, there is no reason to. I save a vote for later. Continue to badwagon on me, and lose an ally.

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Taken from the day sndvls was lynched. I bring this up because I think I read yesterday that a few people are suspicious of him. Only one person, Taz, left their vote on him that day. No one has voted for him since. This probably has more to deal with the fact he was the "lynch"pin (I know...groan) that sent sndvls out of the game.

One question remains for me...and it was brought up but really not addressed. Superman didn't vote the first day. When asked, he said "...by the time the deadline came I could not make an informed desicion.(post 516)"
Dubb and dacman both question this, but no answer is provided. I can understand it's hard to choose someone to lynch on day 1. That's why I usually rely on my old standby Schmidty. However, by the time Superman was in to vote, Neon had revealed his role and outed Qwikshot.

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Sndvls is legit

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Coder, who previously said he had read the Potter books, quoted the Anti-Disapparation Charm stuff from somewhere. In post 663, Coder defends Sndvls by saying Sndvls claimed to have no knowledge of HP (sndvls did claim this, btw), and therefore wouldn't have been clever enough to make this up.

Cronin, ironically, in post 666, said "[sndvls] could very well have been fed the idea by another death-eater. After thinking about it, I like him as a death-eater even more now."

Later in 663, coder says we have nothing to lose by giving sndvls the benefit of the doubt, and that coffee warlord's "relentess attempts" made the warlord more suspicious.

My vote for WVU came soon afterward in post 670. Looking back, I may have been influenced by coder's posts. Neon's arrival was marked at post 716. By 722, Neon threw his red challenge flag into the ring. Neon began burning everyone who challenged sndvl's guilt, starting with alan t, moving to kwhit, and finally to me. In 858, Neon included Path and Mr.W, due to their ill fated late votes on WVU. It's a little puzzling in hindsight that coder wasn't listed, but that's probably because Neon didn't see it in time.

Sndvls is lynched.

Neon posts his circle of trust in 887. "st. cronin, wvufan, lathum, kingfc22, cw, superman"

Coder posts for the first time in 902. Coder quotes Neon's suspect list. I find this interesting looking back at it. 1 hour, 20 minutes later, and perhaps he was just catching up on the posts like I was,

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[i]Then this morning when I woke up I immediately checked to see how things had gone and was very stumped to find out he was a liar.. [img]http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/frown.gif[/img] Not to mention the complete embarrasment of finding Neon's posts from BEFORE I started jumping up and down qouting books etc, stating exactly what the said spell was all about.[/i]

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Neon's posts came AFTERcoder validated sndvls.

Two posts later, coder offers his explanation that the early morning hours may have had an effect.

Post 987, Coder is the first to respond to saldana's invisibility cloak post. He doesn't appear to be overly excited about it. Reading on, most everyone else doesn't either.

Lathum puts coder on his suspect list: Post 1036. Coder responds in 1060 and 1061. Lathum talks about cronin unvoting him in his post, but coder defends himself stating he never voted for Lathum. I don't think that's what Lathum was getting at. I think Lathum was seeing what I am now.

Lathum veers off target (IMO) in 1070.

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[i]OK, here is my theory. sndvls had no Harry Potter expierience that I know of so for him to make up his story he had to do alot of online research or another death eater was PMing him what say to try and wiggle his way out.[/i]

[i]What leads me to this theory is sndvls mentions another spell, reparo, which is an actuall spell from the books. The odds that someone who hasn't read the books will come up with this is a long shot at best.[/i]

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Post 1080: WVU claims the invisibility cloak. It is never disputed. To me, this makes WVU a trusted villager. Coder says in 1120 he was going to cast a vote to WVU for his weak explanation (and a few of us thought it was), but says if we're ok with it, he is.

Post 1164: Wednesday hints, well at least RA and I think he did, he has a larger role.

Wednesday makes the late switch that sends alan t packing.

1284: Cronin dies from the night actions, but at the same time posts his circle of trust in 1285:
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[i]Superman, WVUFan, and everybody that voted for SnDvls- dubb (although he did hop around a bit, looking somewhat fishy), Passacaglia, Schmidty, Lathum, Jesse, Coffee, Grammaticus, king, Dacman. It's possible one of those is a death-eater. I am suspicious of KWhit and JeeberD.[/i]

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1287: Jeeber claims he's being framed for cronin's death.

1289: Wednesday speaks. At this point, I had already began to believe Wednesday. I had switched my vote off of him the night before to Alan T...which turned out to be a bad idea as well.

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[i]Second set of thoughts on the voting yesterday:[/i]
[i][u]dacman[/u] and [u]coder[/u] cast early votes for me and didn't budge. Same for [u]Gram[/u] with path12. [u]Alan[/u] cast an early vote for JeeberD. [u]Lathum[/u], [u]path12[/u], and [u]WVUFan[/u] cast unchanged votes more towards the middle, for path12, me, and me, respectively. [u]Pass[/u] and [u]Taz[/u] voted semi-late for Alan and me. [u]Desnudo[/u], [u]Superman=#54[/u], and [u]Jesse[/u] cast late votes for me, Jeeber, and path12, respectively.[/i]

[i]That's my general pool of suspicion, although there are exceptions in [u]Superman=#54[/u] (tiebreaking vote for SnDvls), [u]Lathum[/u] (kicked off the charge against SnDvls), [u]WVUFan[/u] (invisibility cloak last night), and [u]Alan[/u] (obviously). This is what might happen if the DEs see a lot of normal wizards getting suspicion and they want to vote without drawing attention to themselves -- they can safely cast a vote for any of us and then sit back and watch the fireworks, knowing that they are not in the position of starting a bandwagon or breaking a tie.[/i]

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The next post Wednesday lists his suspects as "dacman, coder, Gram, Pass, Taz, Desnudo, and Jesse."

1311: Gramm posts his list of suspects. Coder is in the "invisible or nearly so" group.

1323: By now Lathum has forgotten his suspicion of Coder and is clearly focused on Path. For the 2nd day in a row he votes Path.

1347, 1348: Wednesday posts his thoughts on his suspects:
"* coder - really early vote for CW = highly suspicious as a "blend-in" lurker"
1348 he votes Coder.

1350: Coder addresses his status on Gramm's list...time zone differences are what keep him "invisible", my word, not his.

1355: Coder mentions he doesn't like Wednesday's list...that he has a wizardry feel for all of them.

1378: Wednesday takes his vote off of coder and puts it on me. That momentarily tied the vote up. Me being online, I cast a vote for Wednesday, also out of self preservation in post 1380. As I vote, I restate that I believe Wednesday is a villager. 1382: Wednesday acknowledges my reason.

1416: Quote:
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[i]My list of "lurker" type suspects has been posted upthread, I would [b]strongly[/b] recommend that you review it. [/i]

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Coder posts a voting list in 1457. In 1459 he writes:
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[i]Thoughts on my list above..[/i]

[i]1) Why did Gram change from Path to Wednesday when Path was in the lead, thereby causing a tie?[/i]
[i]2) RPI picked Pass late and he wasn't even "in the race".. so he basically threw his vote away.[/i]

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1466: CW dies due to the night action.
1469: Seeing CW die, and the way he came after me the day before, I respond that I'm being setup.
1470: Coder admits that CW was on his suspect list, though he wasn't considered since day 2. He votes Gramm in 1473. 1501: Coder states if Gramm is a villager, feel free to vote "me, Schmidty and Desnudo"

1519: Gramm thinks of doing something extreme. In 1523, he says he's put it in motion. Looking back, the order, if there was one, must have been along the lines of, "If I'm lynched, duke "X player" instead." At that point, gramm leads the vote at 4-3-3 (Gramm, path, me). By the end of the day, it's 9 path, 6 gramm, 3 me).

1534: I call out the quiet ones of the game, and vote Jesse (later moved to Gramm to try for the tie). I state I believe Gramm is the duke, and take a ration of crap from Schmidty for it. Maybe not a ration, but he does ask why.

1633, 1634: Coder posts the Day 5 vote timeline and his suspicion list.

Coder engages in some drunk posting...nothing to see here.
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I started this last night and finished it earlier this morning hoping to find out more about people...somewhere around 5 am.

I think I did. I trust Lathum a lot more now.
I thought in the beginning I was going to doubt Superman, but Coder's posts caught my attention. Specifically, where I wrote above:

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[i]Then this morning when I woke up I immediately checked to see how things had gone and was very stumped to find out he was a liar.. [img]http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/frown.gif[/img] Not to mention the complete embarrasment of finding Neon's posts from BEFORE I started jumping up and down qouting books etc, stating exactly what the said spell was all about.[/i]

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Neon's posts came AFTER coder validated sndvls.

Now here this: I'm not claiming to be the seer...and now I'm thinking I'll save this post somewhere and actually post it tomorrow. I'm afraid if I post this today (Sunday) I won't live past the night actions tonight.

The other day I was calling out the quiet ones. I still believe that's the way to go. However, I'm positive I've caught Coder in a lie.

Coder, you've flown under the radar too long.
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I almost wish I had read this post rather than the last 36 pages ;)

You hit upon some key points that were in my mind as I've been reading the last few hours.

[Poli]

Thank you.

[Coder]

I'm not going to be in this thread much more until the deadline so I'll drop my vote now.

This vote will be a non-factor, because I think I need to die to get some other balls rolling for the wizards or they will keep voting for me but by doing so playing the deatheaters straight into their hands.

I would vote for myself, but I'm not sure you can..

so I go

Vote Dubb

I don't think that Dubb will get any other votes today, it will be between me and someone else. This way, I won't be the feather that tips the scale.

[Coder]

Newcomers:

As for Ardent's post, here's my defense (2059)

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1023791&postcount=2059

I believe that Dubb and AE are playing ping pong right now.

[Eaglesfan27]

1. i will post in the main thread for replacements, although it will be very hard i think to get people to join a game with 2000 posts and the most unreal run of evil imaginable.


The 2000 plus posts have been great for taking up over 3 hours of a very slow work day. However, it is very hard to come to meaningful conclusions at this point. Hopefully, I'll be able to get some good clues for the last few hundred posts. Maybe this will all sink in better once I re-read it later tonight or tomorrow. In any case, this has been great for filling up a slow day, and hopefully I can help my fellow good wizards win.

[Raiders Army]

I really think the quiet ones are DEs, but after reading the stuff about Coder...

UNVOTE JESSE EWIAK
VOTE CODER

If Coder isn't a DE, I think I'll rip my hair out. This has been one of the most frustrating games since people don't talk and the ones who do turn out to be wizards.

[Coder]

Looking forward to the following after tomorrow:

If you're not a DE, then I'll walk the plank myself.

If Coder isn't a DE, I think I'll rip my hair out.

It will be a relief to die after the past few days.

[Raiders Army]

I was speaking figuratively. As in rip my hair out because I'm frustrated.

[Coder]

I was speaking figuratively. As in rip my hair out because I'm frustrated.

Nice way to back out of a commitment.. I'm expecting pics! :D

[Raiders Army]

It wasn't going to be pubic hair if you thought that.

[Desnudo]

i guarantee there will be a serious amount of profanity from everyone (wizards and death eaters) when i post the game recap and you all see some of the behind the board stuff. :eek:

I'm willing to bet that at least one of the night poisonings was a wizard killing another wizard.

[Thomkal]

Well after having to read through most of the posts since WVUFan (aka Me) was a prime part of the early goings, I have to say I think I'm the only good wizard left. ;) Though I have my suspicions, none of them are overly strong.

Oh just wanted to state for the record that what WVUFan said about the cloak and all that was true. Sadly I shared the same suspicions as him when it came to Mr. Wednesday and Path. I felt sure at the time that one or both had to have been DE's trying to save their own.

Having said that I also feel sure that there HAD to be some DE's on him/me at some point during the day SnDvls was lynched. I mean they had already lost one of their own on Day 1, and surely couldn't afford to lose another. So here is who is still alive who voted for him/me sometime during that fateful day.

Raiders Army
Dubb
Jeeber
Grammaticus
Ardent

Coder should also be considered a possible vote candidate. Seems like you guys have been talking about lynching him forever, yet here he still lives. The last vote of our second seer Lathum (he was a Seer right?) was on Coder. But then again he voted for Path, a wizard, two or three nights in a row.

I would like (especially because no one responded to my earlier plea to convince me of their innocence) the five people I listed above to give me reasons, using specific posts and any other evidence that can be found in the thread of their innocence.

But for now, I will vote for the person who had an interesting exchange with our second seer Lathum over his quietness, and continues to vote for quiet people when there is so little to go by there that it seems a wasted vote.

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[Blade6119]

I'm willing to bet that at least one of the night poisonings was a wizard killing another wizard.
Im willing to bet(since i know) that there is far crazier stuff then that that has taken place this game

[Desnudo]

Well after having to read through most of the posts since WVUFan (aka Me) was a prime part of the early goings, I have to say I think I'm the only good wizard left. ;) Though I have my suspicions, none of them are overly strong.

Oh just wanted to state for the record that what WVUFan said about the cloak and all that was true. Sadly I shared the same suspicions as him when it came to Mr. Wednesday and Path. I felt sure at the time that one or both had to have been DE's trying to save their own.

Having said that I also feel sure that there HAD to be some DE's on him/me at some point during the day SnDvls was lynched. I mean they had already lost one of their own on Day 1, and surely couldn't afford to lose another. So here is who is still alive who voted for him/me sometime during that fateful day.

Raiders Army
Dubb
Jeeber
Grammaticus
Ardent

Coder should also be considered a possible vote candidate. Seems like you guys have been talking about lynching him forever, yet here he still lives. The last vote of our second seer Lathum (he was a Seer right?) was on Coder. But then again he voted for Path, a wizard, two or three nights in a row.

I would like (especially because no one responded to my earlier plea to convince me of their innocence) the five people I listed above to give me reasons, using specific posts and any other evidence that can be found in the thread of their innocence.

But for now, I will vote for the person who had an interesting exchange with our second seer Lathum over his quietness, and continues to vote for quiet people when there is so little to go by there that it seems a wasted vote.

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

Gramm is the Minister of Magic, or at least was. I believe now he is an Asshat.

[Coder]

See Gramm, you have behaved strangely! :D

[Grammaticus]

I think Jeeber should be replaced or deemed a suicide.

[Grammaticus]

For now I'm voting:

VOTE JESSE

One of the reasons he is on my untrustworthy list is for not posting any content. If he is a good wizard then he should at least give us something to go on.

[Coder]

I think Jeeber should be replaced or deemed a suicide.

I agree with the Duke.. Jeebs is suspended (for a mistake he repaired within 5 minutes).. I'm not sure what his current access to the board is (can he read and pm?) but the game needs to go on so he needs to be replaced.

[Superman=#54]

I just feel we will be making a big mistake if we don't take out Coder now. I have a strong feeling he is the one pulling the strings. Don't let his inexperience fool you, he's a DE.

VOTE CODER

[Coder]

Ardent, Dubb, Superman.. tihi..

[Desnudo]

Coder 3 - AE, RA, Superman
Dubb 1 - Coder
RA 1 - Thomkal
Jesse 1 - Gram

[RPI-Fan]

VOTE CODER

Me = lost.

[Desnudo]

You're dead RPI...

[path12]

VOTE CODER

Me = lost.

Actually, I think you = dead. Last night. :p

[Coder]

VOTE CODER

Me = lost.

Oh boy... I hear dead people

[Poli]

:(

[Desnudo]

On the plus side, you're on my trust list now.

[kingfc22]

die DE's die!!!

[Coder]

I'm going to bed now.. I'm looking forward to seeing Ardent on the plank with Raider's hair when I wake up tomorrow.

[RPI-Fan]

Haha, I think I'll leave my post up just for comic relief.

Go Wizards!!!

[Jesse_Ewiak]

VOTE CODER

If he's a wizard, then I quit. Because then I'm utterly lost instead of the totally lost I am at the moment.

[Eaglesfan27]

I finally read through the entire thread. I'm going to let this percolate for an hour before I vote.

[Coder]

One final thing, and I've been saying this every day since I started becoming prime suspect. When I'm dead, please consider how Ardent managed to be so sure of my guilt. It's one thing if he'd been a little hesitant, but no, he's POSITIVE.

[Poli]

I just don't buy your story, coder. I caught you in a lie. You know it. You're done. I can't believe you've lived this long.

I'm sick, and I'm not going to talk to you anymore. You're about to go on my ignore list.

[Coder]

I just don't buy your story, coder. I caught you in a lie. You know it. You're done. I can't believe you've lived this long.

I'm sick, and I'm not going to talk to you anymore. You're about to go on my ignore list.

Unvote Dubb

Vote Coder

To prove a point

[Qwikshot]

Just remember Blair was the original wolf ;)

[Coder]

Just remember Blair was the original wolf ;)

huh? Tony Blair?

[Qwikshot]

huh? Tony Blair?

'
I'm watching "The Thing
:eek:

[st.cronin]

'
I'm watching "The Thing
:eek:

Great movie! I'm a post-whore.

[Raiders Army]

But for now, I will vote for the person who had an interesting exchange with our second seer Lathum over his quietness, and continues to vote for quiet people when there is so little to go by there that it seems a wasted vote.

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY
I'll give you benefit of the doubt because you were a CoHer and you're new to the thread. I think that my record shows that you are correct that I vote for quiet people but also that I will switch my vote if it doesn't mean anything. I'm not about to sit back and "play it safe" with a meaningless vote. Also, my strategy was to get the people I vote for to talk and see how they defend themselves. Strangely, Jesse didn't chime in when I voted for him today but he has every other time...

[Raiders Army]

I think Jeeber should be replaced or deemed a suicide.
/agree

[Raiders Army]

Wanted to edit, but I changed my mind. He should be replaced if he's a wizard but deemed a suicide if he's a DE. :)

[Eaglesfan27]

Having read everything, including AE's summary, Coder's defense, I'm not sure. But the final deciding factor is his reverse psychology which I'm not a fan of. Therefore:

I vote Coder

[Desnudo]

Ok, lets end the suspense.

Vote Coder

[st.cronin]

The yak flies at midnight.

Yes, but was it an ALBINO yak?

[saldana]

another morning, another dead wizard, and another day full of anger...things are a bit different at the Wasted Wizard Inn tonight as you all sit around waiting for the Dementor to appear. Tonight he is preceded by several pearly white, translucent forms that glide into the room through the walls. The ghosts of blade, schmidty, and neon chaos have appeared and what was about to become what you hope would be a scene of death for a Death Eater quickly deteriorates into what strongly resembles a NAMBLA meeting. The ghosts of schmidty and neon sob uncontrollably on each others ethereal shoulders, and after a short time, float up the stairs together to one of the private rooms to do whatever it is ghosts do with one another. The ghost of Blade can be seen with the still living Desnudo, both also trying to figure out how to embrace each other since one is dead, the only discernable words through the tears are "I love you man", "No I love you man,'Yeah but I really love you man", "not as much as i love you man." All this time, the ghost of Lathum is trying to figure out how he can get drunk again, since obviously ghosts cant drink. After everyones noses are blown, hands are held and tissues are thrown away, you all remember that there was a point to tonights gathering....The Dementor has returned, and much unlike the past few nights coder stands like a man as it enters, inviting it upon himself. He glares at those who have cast votes against him, despite his continued arguments, "Maybe this will teach you all how a Wizard in the fight against evil should behave!" These are his last words as the Dementor is upon him, siphoning off the divine essence of the man. Coder's body hits the ground, and no one moves. Everyone is anxious but this final act of defiance has created more doubt that confidence. Finally, one arm, then the other is checked for the Dark Mark, and it is an anguished realization that you come to when it is apparent that Coder was nothing but a simple Wizard. Several of you dash quickly to his chambers, hoping beyond hope of finding some indication that he was actually a Death Eater, but none can be found.

Day 8 has ended. It is now Night 8, night actions due by 9:30 thursday morning.

[Eaglesfan27]

Darn. Another loss for us :(

[TazFTW]

*sigh*

[saldana]

final vote count for day 8
Coder - 8 - AE, taz, RA, superman, Jesse, Coder, Eaglesfan, desnudo
Jesse - 2 - Dubb, Gram
Raiders - 1 -Thomkal

[Poli]

Ugggggghhh!

[Desnudo]

Yeah...Please kill me tonight, end the pain.

[Poli]

Get in line, des. I'm tired of this friggin game.

[Desnudo]

At least Schmidty and Neon's ghosts are making sweet love somewhere.

[saldana]

At least Schmidty and Neon's ghosts are making sweet love somewhere.
did i forget to mention they took one of CW's giant stuffed Yak's with them? :D

[Blade6119]

God this is hard to resist....gah, nice try villagers.....GAH!

[Desnudo]

I love you man. :mad:

[saldana]

and with that i feel that i have ensured NO ONE will want to play a game i DM ever again :)

[Coffee Warlord]

I may be dead, we may be killing Wizards like, well, Wizards...but there's YAKS FOR ALL!

[st.cronin]

I may be dead, we may be killing Wizards like, well, Wizards...but there's YAKS FOR ALL!

I love yak. Yak, yak, yak. Here it goes down, down in my belly.

[kingfc22]

dun dun dun

At least the DE's killed me and not my friendly wizards. :)

[Coder]

Ugggggghhh!

Still ignored? :(

Hope you feel better today.

[Lathum]

LOL, the ghost game. That was awesome.
yes it was, I just was re reading it the other day..

[Raiders Army]

sigh

[Coder]

and with that i feel that i have ensured NO ONE will want to play a game i DM ever again :)

I've had a blast, no matter what you think :). This game is a VERY interesting study of behavior.

[Grammaticus]

Here is a potential theory:

I actually see 2 potential routes to take in grouping DE.

Either Group 1:
RA
AE
Jeeber
Taz - potentially

Or Group 2:
WVU/Thomkal
Dubb

Group 1 = all voted Qwik and then stayed off Sun
Group 2 = If WVU was bad, then both Sun and WVU were on the block and the DE were losing one no matter what. That would have given Dubb a reason to go to Sun, the guy with the most heat or probability on him. If Sun survived via tie breaker or whatever that would give him a chance and WVU would look clear. Dubb reminded me that I could change the vote after the deadline. Maybe he wanted me to change it, hoping I would not choose WVU then both DE would survive. WVU was the first person to be replaced by Saldana, making him the most likely DE of the three dropouts. But then the cloak issue is a problem. Of course, the real cloak wearer (if not WVU) could have initially kept silent (very bad move) only to be killed before coming forward.

It is just something to think about. Or you could just lynch WVU and test the theory.

Actually, looking back, we should have lynched WVU right after the Sun debacle to ensure we were going down the right path. We ended up lynching 6 wizards that Neon claimed were the “bad” group.

[saldana]

it was a quiet evening after the NAMBLA events of last night, and oh yeah, the death of another wizard at your own hands. Luck cant really be all this bad can it? There has to be some sort of curse causing the string of disaster after disaster. No one sleeps, just waiting for that which you all know will come eventually, unsure of what to expect after the raw mockery that the Death Eaters made of you the night before.

Again, a raucous amount of noise brings you peering out the windows to see who the unfortunate soul being used as a toy by Evil is tonight, secretly thankful that it isnt you. You see a form zooming back and forth zipping back and forth in the air, almost doing laps around the fountain in town square. It is hard to make out exactly who it is until you notice the emerald green Quidditch robes with silver wings on the shoulders. It is Eaglesfan27, dressed out in his professional quidditch uniform, and it is apparent that the Death Eaters are familiar with his former team, the Corning Cornish Game Hens, but not necessarily fans of them. As the body of Eaglesfan27 zooms past the windows and into fuller view, you notice his mouth is bulging, seemingly jammed full with a large object. as he smacks with finality into the monument centered into the fountain and his head splits in two as a melon would be by a cleaver, you see a glint of gold fly off in several directions. It appears that the Death Eaters stuffed as many as FOUR Golden Snitches into Eaglesfan27's mouth, resulting in his uncontrolled choking to death...the monument was just insult to injury. Nothing of note could be found in eaglesfan27's room except huge closets full of the emerald and silver paraphernalia and hundreds of boxes of tissues.

it is day 9, lynch votes are due by 9:30 eastern.

(sorry eaglesfan, my dad is a big fan too, had to do it...thanks again for helping out, you should try to play the next game)

[Raiders Army]

We hardly knew ye, EF. That sucks you spent all of yesterday reading this thread and now you're dead. Those DEs are bastards.

[Thomkal]

That really was not a nice thing for the DE's to do to Eaglesfan. :(

Gram,

As for your wild theory about WVU/me being a DE, I think you need to rethink things there. No one has come forward about the cloak and surely someone would have when WVU first brought it up. WVU had the cloak, used it as he described, and from that point was just a wizard with no powers or abilities. I did not push for a vote on Coder the Wizard as others who voted for him did. I remain a powerless/itemless Wizard.

As for Dubb, someone suggested that he was going back and forth on that vote for a reason, and I like that idea. I think he could be a DE who when it became clear that SnDvls was going to be the lynch victim that night, switched back to him in the last hour to make himself look like he was on the good side of things. The last four people who voted for WVU all turned out to be wizards, not DE's, and as I said in my previous post there had to be some DE's voting for WVU that day as they simply could not afford to lose a second of their number so quickly in the game.

So your group 1 with the exception of Taz is looking pretty good to me right now. Raiders, Ardent, and Jeeber all voted for WVU, and looking at their voting records, both RA, AE, and Jeeber have not voted for a single DE. Coder also did not vote for a single DE, but as he said continously throughout the game, he was new and thus easily fooled. RA and AE don't have that excuse. Plus RA and AE have their final vote on the same person FIVE times. That is too much of a coincidence for me. Taz I don't have enough evidence on one way or the other though he did vote for 1 DE-Qwik.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

[Raiders Army]

FWIW, it was pretty easy not to vote for a single DE (that we know of). Maybe I'm sympathetic towards Ardent since he's in the same boat. If you didn't vote for DEs at the beginning of the game, you would have that stigma. I think that if you look back, both times I was gone for the night when the "reveal" happened (actually, the first part of the game I was gone for the night well before the lynching, so it would be impossible to switch my vote to a DE. I don't think that that should necessarily be held against me. (Can't speak for Ardent here)