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kingfc22
05-17-2006, 08:37 PM
Final vote count:

St. Cronin (5) - tanglewood, qwikshot, lathum, blade, dubb
Barkeep (3) - path, tyrith, st. cronin
Tanglewood (2) - sndvls, schmidty
Dubb (1) - anxiety
Tyrith (1) - barkeep

Schmidty
05-17-2006, 08:38 PM
Not sure what to say. Was this good, bad, or nuetral.


LALALALALLALA

Blade6119
05-17-2006, 08:40 PM
Not sure what to say. Was this good, bad, or nuetral.


LALALALALLALA
He was a maniac/wolf/killer..thats good, no?

st.cronin
05-17-2006, 08:40 PM
Was that your 1st time as a baddy?

yes

Schmidty
05-17-2006, 08:47 PM
He was a maniac/wolf/killer..thats good, no?

"Michael Evans #111 (st. cronin) room is searched afterwards. You find a cup of water, a flashlight and some pills. These are not the same pills that were found in saldana's room however. As you look closer at them, you notice a "DW" stamped on the outside of them."

That doesn't seem very definitive to me.

Barkeep49
05-17-2006, 08:51 PM
HELL YEAH!!!! Barkeep goes tomorrow, end of story. I'd love to hear his side of this.
It makes sense for a bad guy to be on the right side of an innocent.

Barkeep49
05-17-2006, 08:51 PM
DOLA -- I never said a nice word about him despite his steadfastly supporting me.

path12
05-17-2006, 08:51 PM
"Michael Evans #111 (st. cronin) room is searched afterwards. You find a cup of water, a flashlight and some pills. These are not the same pills that were found in saldana's room however. As you look closer at them, you notice a "DW" stamped on the outside of them."

That doesn't seem very definitive to me.

DW = Dr. Widger? I eat croquet.

Schmidty
05-17-2006, 08:51 PM
Wait, Widger is the bad doctor. That makes it a bit more clear.

Blade6119
05-17-2006, 08:53 PM
Wait, Widger is the bad doctor. That makes it a bit more clear.
Dr. Widger
hes the head of the maniacs, aka the killers, aka cronins friends

Barkeep49
05-17-2006, 08:53 PM
For further proof see, most recently, Hoops steadfastly supporting me that I was never converted because as a bad guy he knew I had never been converted.

Schmidty
05-17-2006, 08:53 PM
DW = Dr. Widger? I eat croquet.

That's a perfect example of why I tell people that I'm the worst WW player around. :)

Barkeep49
05-17-2006, 09:00 PM
I don't want to list the possible roles that might be used in this game because that would ruin the whole reason to keep PM's secret.

I trust your making a good decision as a GM. But I just want to say that we've played TONS of games where every role was known. It was only with hoops game, Game XXI, in other words 5 games ago, that every role was a mystery. Before that there might be A surprise role, but it is a very recent trend that the mechanics of WW games are a mystery. Now it's clear that I write my rules from the perspective of a "rules lawyer" but I think that there is a level of announcing rules out there between what we've been doing and what I do. This is no rip on King, but there are plenty of ways to make WW exciting while still having all the major rules out there.

Blade6119
05-17-2006, 09:03 PM
I trust your making a good decision as a GM. But I just want to say that we've played TONS of games where every role was known. It was only with hoops game, Game XXI, in other words 5 games ago, that every role was a mystery. Before that there might be A surprise role, but it is a very recent trend that the mechanics of WW games are a mystery. Now it's clear that I write my rules from the perspective of a "rules lawyer" but I think that there is a level of announcing rules out there between what we've been doing and what I do. This is no rip on King, but there are plenty of ways to make WW exciting while still having all the major rules out there.
I dont know any role outside of my own...the french role i just similar to another role i saw, so i make an mental leap to assume their the same...i have ideas what other roles could be out there, but so does everyone. I dont know for certain any role is in the game besides my weak ass one(which shouldnt be an issue after tonight, as it should be me, dubb, or the bodyguard tonight if dubb is good)

Barkeep49
05-17-2006, 09:11 PM
I dont know any role outside of my own...the french role i just similar to another role i saw, so i make an mental leap to assume their the same...i have ideas what other roles could be out there, but so does everyone. I dont know for certain any role is in the game besides my weak ass one(which shouldnt be an issue after tonight, as it should be me, dubb, or the bodyguard tonight if dubb is good)
Like I said I trust King to have made a good decision. My frustration is more about what has been going on as a trend. This really isn't against King, as I believe I've mentioned this in a couple other places. Just seemed like a good time to bring something up which I hope would recieve consideration after this game.

Barkeep49
05-17-2006, 09:11 PM
DOLA -- I also trust that you wouldn't be playing this game if you felt you had an incredibly unfair advantage over all of us, Blade.

saldana
05-17-2006, 09:17 PM
Like I said I trust King to have made a good decision. My frustration is more about what has been going on as a trend. This really isn't against King, as I believe I've mentioned this in a couple other places. Just seemed like a good time to bring something up which I hope would recieve consideration after this game.

not to threadjack from the grave, but i can easily see your point...there was alot of confusion in the star wars game regarding what roles might be out there because i made the remark that it was a standard game of WW (which was meant to be a comparison to the treasure hunter game) but was construed to mean there were not any particularly bizarre roles out there. the fact that some people took it one way and others another i think created some problems for the jedi.

dubb93
05-17-2006, 09:19 PM
Since I'm pretty well resigned to my fate tonight I would atleast like some convo on Anxiety's role reveal which strikes me as complete BS.

dubb93
05-17-2006, 09:20 PM
DOLA:

And I think if any of us have to go it would be best for the group if it were me as my role doesn't help the team in any way and only serves to handi-cap me by taking away some of my free will.

kingfc22
05-17-2006, 09:25 PM
there was alot of confusion in the star wars game regarding what roles might be out there because i made the remark that it was a standard game of WW (which was meant to be a comparison to the treasure hunter game) but was construed to mean there were not any particularly bizarre roles out there. the fact that some people took it one way and others another i think created some problems for the jedi.

This being my first WW game. My remark about a standard game is similiar to what saldana has said here.

Sorry for any confusion it may have caused.

Barkeep49
05-17-2006, 09:27 PM
not to threadjack from the grave, but i can easily see your point...there was alot of confusion in the star wars game regarding what roles might be out there because i made the remark that it was a standard game of WW (which was meant to be a comparison to the treasure hunter game) but was construed to mean there were not any particularly bizarre roles out there. the fact that some people took it one way and others another i think created some problems for the jedi.
I don't think the fact that the villagers have been losing and the roles have been hidden are unrelated, to kind of empasize a point.

Blade6119
05-17-2006, 09:28 PM
DOLA:

And I think if any of us have to go it would be best for the group if it were me as my role doesn't help the team in any way and only serves to handi-cap me by taking away some of my free will.
Dubb, i do belive we have roles quite similar to each other...not the same, but a similar situation i do believe

st.cronin
05-17-2006, 09:30 PM
I don't think the fact that the villagers have been losing and the roles have been hidden are unrelated, to kind of empasize a point.

wah wah wah ya big baby

dubb93
05-17-2006, 09:33 PM
I don't think the fact that the villagers have been losing and the roles have been hidden are unrelated, to kind of empasize a point.

Or it could be due to the fact that Hoops has been a bad guy alot recently.

saldana
05-17-2006, 09:43 PM
Or it could be due to the fact that Hoops has been a bad guy alot recently.


winner, imo

Barkeep49
05-17-2006, 09:44 PM
winner, imo
Here's why I disagree: There are any one of a half dozen players who could have done what he's done last couple of games. When little information is known it favors the wolves since they, by default, have more knowledge of mechanics in that situation then anyone else.

path12
05-17-2006, 09:44 PM
Or it could be due to the fact that Hoops has been a bad guy alot recently.

:D I think that's a definite factor. As for this game, I don't think there's any problem or confusion (at least not on my part) with how King set it up -- I'm having a great time with it. I have been playing a lot of WW elsewhere lately though and totally understand Barkeep's point -- I've been in quite a few tense games where every role is documented ahead of time. It all depends on what you're trying to accomplish, but hidden roles don't necessarily make or break one way or the other -- it's just a different option, and isn't necessarily the standard.

Oh, and to dubb's point -- no, I don't put much stock at all in Anxiety's reveal. And I also ironically feel much better about Barkeep now that Cronin was found to be bad. Figures, the ONE time I don't vote for him......

/ooc

Crayons were once the rulers of Lichtenstein.

hoopsguy
05-17-2006, 09:52 PM
I heart dubb93.

FWIW, in the next game I run (think 2-3 back on the list now) I do plan to publish the rules prior to the start of play. It is likely to be a superset of the roles (only 6 roles, but I might list 10-15) with a twist or two, but it won't be a "blind" game with just a theme announced.

The "blind" games also don't let the wolves know what roles the villagers have. And when you have different/creative villager roles that does become a disadvantage that cuts both ways.

One last item: samurai beat the ninjas so it hasn't been entirely one-sided for the wolves :)

Abe Sargent
05-17-2006, 11:10 PM
I was thinking about the WW game I'll be doing soon. I scripted it to be a game set in the world of Ravnica (which Magic players would know) with magic and ghosts and spells and whatnot. However, would Total Recall be a better choice, with the Martian Resistance, mutations and whatnot?

-Anxiety

path12
05-17-2006, 11:14 PM
I was thinking about the WW game I'll be doing soon. I scripted it to be a game set in the world of Ravnica (which Magic players would know) with magic and ghosts and spells and whatnot. However, would Total Recall be a better choice, with the Martian Resistance, mutations and whatnot?

-Anxiety

I really think that just about any setting could be used for a WW game. Except possibly animal husbandry.

saldana
05-17-2006, 11:27 PM
I really think that just about any setting could be used for a WW game. Except possibly animal husbandry.

back to the ol' drawin' board;)

path12
05-18-2006, 12:40 AM
back to the ol' drawin' board;)

"I don't care if he's a werewolf or not, I ain't puttin' MY arm up there!"

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 12:57 AM
Well, in case i die tonight...my trust list is dubb and lathum...

suspects are qwikshot, barkeep, and my current #1 anxiety

mckerney
05-18-2006, 01:53 AM
Still, I am a crazy person, and crazy people have crazy thoughts.

Crazy? I went crazy once.

I was never crazy. I justed hated the french. Nothing crazy about that.

kingfc22
05-18-2006, 02:09 AM
Night has fallen on the asylum once again. Tonight the weather is rather calm and most of you get a good night’s rest. It is even easier to sleep knowing that you “got one” during the day.
<o></o>
The night does not go easy for one of you. Especially if your name is Lance Cornejo #132 (path). Yes it is path who is found dead in his room with his neck slashed. According to hoopsguy, the so-called genius, he believes that the weapon that was used to attack path is the same that was used to attack saldana the night before.
<o></o>
The group peers into his room and finds some steroids and some weights.



DAY 4 HAS BEGUN



Deadline is 9:00 PM EST
<o></o>

Abe Sargent
05-18-2006, 03:07 AM
Just got back from reading some Avengers comics before i went to bed. I wanted to post my quick circle of trust, because that seems like the thing to do:

Lathum - the only person I completely trust

Blade, Barkeep - Are they clean? I thought they were today, based on the possibility of killing saldana to throw off the scent, but that was a flawed premise. I still think Barkeep is clean. I also feel that Blade is probably clean too, although I suspect the best strategy for me is to attack Blade and talk about all of the wierd things he did, since he wants me dead, I honestly don't at this time, beleive Blade is a bad guy.

Qwikshot - I don;t blame Qwik fo rthe late vote tomorrow and I take him at his word tha the was on the phone. However, he's been really quiet. In the WWs I read before participaiting in some, I know several things: quiet does not always equal good, and quiet when you are normally loud does not always equal good.

Also quiet are Schmidity, Tyrith, and Tanglewood. I don't know enough about any of them to think they are acting differently.

Right now, my vote is probably Qwikshot, but I don't have enough info yet. I'll check back in tomorrow in teh late mornin and see what has developed then. Maybe I'll have a better handle on stuff.



-Anxiety

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 03:31 AM
Just got back from reading some Avengers comics before i went to bed. I wanted to post my quick circle of trust, because that seems like the thing to do:

Lathum - the only person I completely trust

Blade, Barkeep - Are they clean? I thought they were today, based on the possibility of killing saldana to throw off the scent, but that was a flawed premise. I still think Barkeep is clean. I also feel that Blade is probably clean too, although I suspect the best strategy for me is to attack Blade and talk about all of the wierd things he did, since he wants me dead, I honestly don't at this time, beleive Blade is a bad guy.

Qwikshot - I don;t blame Qwik fo rthe late vote tomorrow and I take him at his word tha the was on the phone. However, he's been really quiet. In the WWs I read before participaiting in some, I know several things: quiet does not always equal good, and quiet when you are normally loud does not always equal good.

Also quiet are Schmidity, Tyrith, and Tanglewood. I don't know enough about any of them to think they are acting differently.

Right now, my vote is probably Qwikshot, but I don't have enough info yet. I'll check back in tomorrow in teh late mornin and see what has developed then. Maybe I'll have a better handle on stuff.



-Anxiety
qwikshot is always quiet...the only reason i see to vote for him is one of cronins last comments...shortly before he died he said he wanted to swap to qwikshot...since it would be 99.9% sure he was dying no matter what, i feel that comment may have been an attempt to un-link cronin from his partner.

As for you, i had a big long post with quotes done, but it got deleted when my comp froze...ill do a very brief recap of what it was supposed to say, but right now your my #1

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 05:45 AM
Vote Anxiety

I can state this with supreme confidence that I see Anxiety as:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i107/qwikshot1975/shining.jpg

I stand my ground that I believe Blade to be just a patient.

Poli
05-18-2006, 07:18 AM
I was thinking about the WW game I'll be doing soon. I scripted it to be a game set in the world of Ravnica (which Magic players would know) with magic and ghosts and spells and whatnot. However, would Total Recall be a better choice, with the Martian Resistance, mutations and whatnot?

-AnxietyDid someone mention an obsianus golem?
http://mi.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/Obsianus_Golem.jpg

Poli
05-18-2006, 07:20 AM
Crazy? I went crazy once.

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 07:51 AM
Okay, I am the seer. My 'illness' is that I am paranoid and always carry a glass orb everywhere with me otherwise I freak out. Every night I look into this orb and see visions of other souls.

The reason I am coming out now is because I am 90% sure that I now have got two maniacs.

Night 1 viewed Barkeep - Came back "you only see a reflection of the darkness in your room". I assumed this meant I saw nothing and he was clean, hence my very strong defense of barkeep on the Day 2 vote. This also fit in with his claim of having a simple, non-skilled role.

Night 2 viewed Blade - Blade came back clean. He also has a special role of some kind becasue there is something he is very afraid of, but I can't tell what. I was also now in two minds regarding the Barkeep view, as this PM said how I saw deep into Blade's soul, in the Barkeep view I got nothing at all.

Night 3 viewed Schmidty - Came back darknes again, only this time the PM said how I was frustraed that I could not get a read and that "this had never happened before". That, combines with the mounting evidence against Barkeep anyway, recast in my mind the day 1 viewing as well, so I am now as sure as one can be that both Schmidty and Barkeep are bad guys.

I will be happy to answer any questions people have. I am not sure if we now have the last two maniacs remaining, as they could've started with 4 or posssibly converted on night 1, but I felt it was too risky to delay a day when I have this info.

Vote Barkeep

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 07:54 AM
Night 3 viewed Schmidty - Came back darknes again, only this time the PM said how I was frustraed that I could not get a read and that "this had never happened before". That, combines with the mounting evidence against Barkeep anyway, recast in my mind the day 1 viewing as well, so I am now as sure as one can be that both Schmidty and Barkeep are bad guys.

Just to clarify, this refers to having two no reads "never happening before".

Also to clarify, Blade's view explicity stated that he was not a maniac. the other views did not. Another reason that I am very sure they are maniacs.

Barkeep49
05-18-2006, 08:15 AM
Tangle: You are saying that there were 3 starting bad guys in this small of a field and further you managed to hit upon 2 of them in your first three nights? Perhaps there is an alternative explanation, dealing with the fact that, you know, you're crazy?

stevew
05-18-2006, 08:57 AM
Looks like a fun game

stevew
05-18-2006, 08:58 AM
Dola, these threads are great for the post count.

SnDvls
05-18-2006, 09:08 AM
well if tanglewood is telling the truth he blew all my thinking out of the water as I was pretty sure both Barkeep and Blade were good and he's got one of them bad. I'm still very lost in all this.

SnDvls
05-18-2006, 09:08 AM
dola - hopefully lathum can provide some more info today

st.cronin
05-18-2006, 09:36 AM
Dola, these threads are great for the post count.

true dat

Barkeep49
05-18-2006, 09:41 AM
Also to clarify, Blade's view explicity stated that he was not a maniac. the other views did not.
I missed this when I first responded. So my expressing that I was a normal villager was not enough, which I did in post 547? Fine.
"I am not a maniac."
"I am not the ruler of Spain."
"I am not a professional baseball player."
"I am not a prescription pill."
"I am not a Sagitarius"

I would be happy, upon request, to state anything else I am not. I AM just a vanilla villager.

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 10:07 AM
I'm telling you Barkeep and Blade are clean. Anxiety is bad, and Tangle is bad too.

This is my moment of lucidity.

Barkeep49
05-18-2006, 10:10 AM
Vote Anxiety
Seems like enough evidence has been posted to support that idea.

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 10:11 AM
Is this guy here?

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i107/qwikshot1975/crazy-eddie-ad3.jpg

Lathum
05-18-2006, 10:13 AM
dola - hopefully lathum can provide some more info today
OK, I think we amay have gottewn very lucky or very unlucky.

The logical thing for me to do last night would have been to protect myself last night after my role reveal. I figured the maniacs assumed I would protect myself so instead I protected a random person in hopes I could throw them off and buy myself more time.

Well I am still here so it worked. Better yet the person I protected was SCHMIDTY!!!

I can only assume if Tangle is telling the truth he couldn't see Schmidty because I was protecting him.

VOTE BARKEEP

Barkeep49
05-18-2006, 10:15 AM
Lathum: Didn't you protect me the first night?

Lathum
05-18-2006, 10:20 AM
Lathum: Didn't you protect me the first night?
No, I protected blade.

Barkeep49
05-18-2006, 10:22 AM
So then your theory about it being cloudy because you protected schmidty doesn't really make sense, does it?

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 10:25 AM
OK, I think we amay have gottewn very lucky or very unlucky.

The logical thing for me to do last night would have been to protect myself last night after my role reveal. I figured the maniacs assumed I would protect myself so instead I protected a random person in hopes I could throw them off and buy myself more time.

Well I am still here so it worked. Better yet the person I protected was SCHMIDTY!!!

I can only assume if Tangle is telling the truth he couldn't see Schmidty because I was protecting him.

VOTE BARKEEP

It's pretty f'ing early to come out as the seer, so I smell rat. And I would think that the seer would get a clearer depiction of who is bad.

If Tangle is lying about his ability then the only way you could work your premise out is if you /knew/ Tangle would claim such abilities. Besides, why would you guarding Schmidty block his abilities? Would that be the case for seers?

I also think it's crazy to be claiming to be a bodyguard.

SnDvls
05-18-2006, 10:25 AM
I think it's pretty clear that we are close to lynching another baddie today.

Saldana didn't like St. C (bad), barkeep (?), or blade (?)
lathum (bodyguard) protected blade, dubb, schmidty
tanglewood (seer) viewed blade (bad?), barkeep (good?), and Schmidty (bad?)
qwik flat out says blade (good) barkeep (good) and Anxiety (bad) Tangle (bad)

sides are forming right now and I think we gain no matter what happens today. if you hit a normal person then we've outted the other side, if we hit a manaic then it looks like we've got the rest of their team...

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 10:29 AM
I'd bet my life on Anxiety being bad; If he's lynched and not a maniac I will vote for my own death tomorrow.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it (as long as it isn't crack, well, okay, maybe.)

Lathum
05-18-2006, 10:33 AM
OK, based on my first three nights I think there may be 3 maniacs. I think they may have gotten lucky with a night one conversion. The reason why is there was no kill on night one.

Allthough I was protecting blade there was no sort of struggle or anything. Basiclly nothing at all happened. Nothing happened the the last 2 nights as well so I am thinking one of two things.

1. The maniacs saw me and ran away (I am a former Mr. Universe after all)

2. They had a conversion.

As for my theory about Me protecting Schmidty etc... It's all I've got and am subject to change. Right now I am becoming VERY suspiciou of Qwikshot because of everything he is throwing around. For now

UNVOTE BARKEEP

SnDvls
05-18-2006, 10:34 AM
I'd bet my life on Anxiety being bad; If he's lynched and not a maniac I will vote for my own death tomorrow.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it (as long as it isn't crack, well, okay, maybe.)


guess I'll take the bait and bet

vote Anxiety

Lathum
05-18-2006, 10:34 AM
Qwik- Why are you so sure about anxiety?

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 10:35 AM
I was a witness; I know Anxiety is a maniac.

Only one I saw though. I was able to observe one person, and I guessed right.

He's got blood on his hands....he's got blood on his hands....

SnDvls
05-18-2006, 10:38 AM
OK, based on my first three nights I think there may be 3 maniacs. I think they may have gotten lucky with a night one conversion. The reason why is there was no kill on night one.

Allthough I was protecting blade there was no sort of struggle or anything. Basiclly nothing at all happened. Nothing happened the the last 2 nights as well so I am thinking one of two things.

1. The maniacs saw me and ran away (I am a former Mr. Universe after all)

2. They had a conversion.



or 3) you are a very bad bodygurad :D j/k

no in most bodyguard roles you protect the person, but if they didn't target the person they still get a kill. Anyhow w/ the night results it just tells me that they targeted someone who you didn't protect like most bodyguard roles are.

Another thing to think about is maybe they didn't get in a night 1 action. with such a small starting number of players would starting w/ 3 and having a conversion be unbalanced? would it be balanced out by having both a seer and a bodyguard tough?

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 10:39 AM
Hey if Tangle is the seer; then Lathum can protect him. Tangle can scan me if he thinks I'm bad.

But I'm sure lynching Anxiety will prove my worth even if it's the only time...it wasn't a hallucination, I'm sure it wasn't, the walls don't talk to me -- that much anymore.

path12
05-18-2006, 10:43 AM
Damnit! My purple was having fun with the parakeet, too. Damnit!

Go good guys!

Lathum
05-18-2006, 10:44 AM
Hey if Tangle is the seer; then Lathum can protect him. Tangle can scan me if he thinks I'm bad.

But I'm sure lynching Anxiety will prove my worth even if it's the only time...it wasn't a hallucination, I'm sure it wasn't, the walls don't talk to me -- that much anymore.
I think it should be obvious who I am protecting tonight....:rolleyes:

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 10:46 AM
I think it should be obvious who I am protecting tonight....:rolleyes:

What if he isn't the seer though?

Abe Sargent
05-18-2006, 12:21 PM
I just got back, my ACD meeting ran really long.

I have difficulty understanding why people think I am lying about being Hung Li, 333, and nothing else. If there are 14 people in this fest, and we already apparently know the roles of virtually everybody, then what is left but for me to be normal or a Thing?

I wish there was some way I could convince you of my sincerity. I am not skilled enough to say whatever it is that others have said to turn attention away.

All I can say, is to Blade: you went after Barkeep on day one because you thought he was lying when he said he was roleless. On a later day, you admitted that was a mistake. Why use that same information as motivation today? I role-revealed that I was nothing because I thought Barkeep and Cronin were on the up and up when they said they were nothing and I didn't want either of them lynched because of people thought there weren't any regular people. Obviously I was wrong about cronin, but I still think Barkeep is legit and I rolled with your logic, Blade, in that assumption. I still don't think you are a thing though, just misguided.

It's probably bad strategy, but I can't blame ya for pointing out something that you think is suspicious, because that is the name of the game, even if it ends up in me dying.

I guess I shouldn't care so much. After all, if you kill me, but the villagers still win, that means I won too, right?

-Anxiety

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 01:09 PM
Answering a few questions:

Tangle: You are saying that there were 3 starting bad guys in this small of a field and further you managed to hit upon 2 of them in your first three nights? Perhaps there is an alternative explanation, dealing with the fact that, you know, you're crazy?

Night 1 I just picked a random 'big player' so to speak, one who was experienced and generally plays WW well. It is always valuable to clear these guys as early as possible. Night 2, Blade made the tying vote switch, so he is an easy one to check. Night 3, Schmidty had voted for me twice in a row without any substantial reasoning to back it up and was questioning whether Cronin post-lynch was actually bad despite everyone else knowing he was right until Cronin admitted himself he was. I think they were all reasonable choices. They just happened to come up 2 out of 3 bad.

I missed this when I first responded. So my expressing that I was a normal villager was not enough, which I did in post 547? Fine.
"I am not a maniac."
"I am not the ruler of Spain."
"I am not a professional baseball player."
"I am not a prescription pill."
"I am not a Sagitarius"

I would be happy, upon request, to state anything else I am not. I AM just a vanilla villager.

Blade's view PM came back something like:

"blahblahblahblah Blade's role blahblahblah

Blade is NOT a maniac."

Barkeep's view PM and Schmidty's view PM did not have any such sentence at the end. That is what I was referring to when I said only Blade's view explicity stated he was not a maniac.

I'm telling you Barkeep and Blade are clean. Anxiety is bad, and Tangle is bad too.

This is my moment of lucidity.

Blade is 100% clean. Barkeep is 90% a maniac. Anxiety, I have no idea, but I did find his late switch to a seemingly condemned Barkeep suspicious (especially if Barkeep does come up maniac, perhaps a fellow maniac trying to get on a bad guy lynch?) and if Qwik's witness role is correct then that just adds further weight to it. I am of course not a maniac, but would be happy to relieve any questions you have suggesting why you think otherwise.

I think it's pretty clear that we are close to lynching another baddie today.

Saldana didn't like St. C (bad), barkeep (?), or blade (?)
lathum (bodyguard) protected blade, dubb, schmidty
tanglewood (seer) viewed blade (bad?), barkeep (good?), and Schmidty (bad?)
qwik flat out says blade (good) barkeep (good) and Anxiety (bad) Tangle (bad)

sides are forming right now and I think we gain no matter what happens today. if you hit a normal person then we've outted the other side, if we hit a manaic then it looks like we've got the rest of their team...

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

You have my views wrong, Blade is 100% good, Barkeep and Schmidty are 90% likely to be bad. I am not taking sides with anyone in particular, other than perhaps Blade. The main reason I voted with him for Cronin yesterday was because at that time I had just seen him and confirmed him as good.

Tyrith
05-18-2006, 01:38 PM
Between Tangle and what I've been doing so far, I don't really have a better candidate at this point. Third day in a row, yet again subject to change:

Vote Barkeep

Lathum
05-18-2006, 02:44 PM
for now

VOTE BARKEEP

if he is clean we go for anxiety tomorrow.

Lathum
05-18-2006, 02:45 PM
dola-
I'll be leaving for work soon and will not be back untill well past the deadline.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 02:57 PM
I know it is starting to look like a bandwagon, but I absolutely have to explore the link between Barkeep and Cronin. Anxiety would be a good bet at this point too, as I believe they could both be bad or playing a role that is against the team. With that said...

VOTE BARKEEP

If Qwik would be able to tell me how exactly how he knows for a fact that Tangle is bad I'll change my vote. But I can safely say there is no way this end game strat from the maniacs and it makes no sense to come out "seer" now if he isn't in fact a seer. If we assume they have 1-2 left, why would Tangle sacrifice himself? Only thing I can see is if he was the turncoat, but still that only makes sense in end game strat, which I can't see this being.

Schmidty
05-18-2006, 03:18 PM
So somehow I'm a suspect now????

I have no special abilities that are useful, although I do have a crappy one. My only "special" ability is that once I vote, I'm not allowed to change it. That's it.

If you guys want to go on a viewing from tanglewood that didn't say anything because Lathum was apparantly protecting me, then go ahead. I voted twice because, as I said before, I had nothing else to go on. Maybe he's pissed at me for that, I don't know.

Anyway, listen to the dubious "evidence" that tanglewood is skewing, or go after an actual wolf. It's your choice.

Schmidty
05-18-2006, 03:23 PM
Barkeep and Schmidty are 90% likely to be bad.

WTF dude? Where's your evidence? You viewed me and saw nothing. The night you viewed me I was protected by Lathum. How does that make me a wolf? Put two and two together.

Assumptions are fine, but to hide those assumptions in a cloud of extremely weak evidence is a very bad idea.

I have no idea if you're bad, but I know I'm not and you're accusing me. Either you're just making a huge mistake, or you're a wolf. I have no idea which is true, but I assume it's the former.

stevew
05-18-2006, 03:24 PM
I see nothing.

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 04:05 PM
Go with Anxiety, he's a maniac. There has never been more of a sure thing in this world.

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 04:06 PM
I'm going out tonight, and I won't be back till after nine, my vote stands, I may be erratic but this much I know is true.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 04:21 PM
I'm going out tonight, and I won't be back till after nine, my vote stands, I may be erratic but this much I know is true.

I know you may not be back, but what proof do you have that tangle is in with him b/c you made the claim that tangle was bad. If you have any proof of that I'd love to hear it. There is no point in wasting a vote.

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 04:22 PM
Actually, I'll say this...and in a way I'm giving up my life for doing it.

The reason I know Tangle is lying is because I am the seer!

I scanned Blade the first night and found him to be clean, but he was scared and hiding something.

2nd night I scanned Saldana, but I didn't see anything, the reason being, he was being murdered.

Last night, I scanned Anxiety, sure enough maniac.

Now I know that it would be unfair for the patients to have two seers, but I know that maybe one is evil and trying to find the seer.

So I would say with 100% that Anxiety is a maniac.
I would say that Tangle is a maniac because I'm the seer.
Lathum seems to be with them, but I have not scanned him or Tangle, and after tonight I'll probably be dead, but I would go with them.

Believe it what you will, there is no way to prove my abilities till after the game is over, I realized that if I died tonight without saying I was the seer that no one would know I was the seer.

I think if we get all these guys we end the game and the mysterious and evil doctor is dead.

That's it, I'm out. Believe me or not.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 04:22 PM
And if you do have inside information now is the time b/c they only have 1-2 tops |eft at this point.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 04:23 PM
Lathum seems to be with them, but I have not scanned him or Tangle, and after tonight I'll probably be dead, but I would go with them.


I'm nearly 100% confident that |athum isn't in with them, as no other bodyguard has come forward and his actions speek for themselves.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 04:25 PM
UNVOTE BARKEEP

Anyone get a feeling that someone read into my words yesterday and actually believed that Saldana was the seer?

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 04:25 PM
I'm nearly 100% confident that |athum isn't in with them, as no other bodyguard has come forward and his actions speek for themselves.

Well then he's duped into supporting them, if he is the bodyguard, he's protecting tangle who is bad.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 04:26 PM
In fact, if I to post a circle of trust it would include...

Lathum
Blade
Myself

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 04:27 PM
Hey, I wanted to scan Tangle tonight, but when I saw the run on Barkeep I really didn't want to lose a villager, perhaps he was scanned and found to be valuable to our side. I figured logically speaking there can't be more than 3.

St. Cronin, Anxiety, and Tangle.

I think that's all of them.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 04:28 PM
Hey, I wanted to scan Tangle tonight, but when I saw the run on Barkeep I really didn't want to lose a villager

How do you know Barkeep is a villager? He is linked to Cronin and you haven't scanned him yet.

Tyrith
05-18-2006, 04:29 PM
At this point, Barkeep doesn't seem to be the biggest threat anymore. This seer mess has to be sorted out.

Unvote Barkeep

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 04:29 PM
UNVOTE BARKEEP

Anyone get a feeling that someone read into my words yesterday and actually believed that Saldana was the seer?

I was stunned at how bold Tangle's declaration was, but I wanted to wait and see. But trust me, I'm the seer.

The best proof is to vote Anxiety, then Tangle.

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 04:30 PM
How do you know Barkeep is a villager? He is linked to Cronin and you haven't scanned him yet.

How many baddies do we think there are? Four or five? Hell of a lot....I didn't know if Barkeep was clear or not, but I knew who wasn't.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 04:30 PM
At this point, Barkeep doesn't seem to be the biggest threat anymore. This seer mess has to be sorted out.

Unvote Barkeep

I actually think Qwik makes more sense, atleast he has information instead of no evidence and just assumptions. I've never know a seer role to not actually tell you what 2 seperate guys roles are.

Also, Lathum protected Schmidty last night and said he stayed in his room. And what are the odds of hitting 2 baddies in 3 days?

dubb93
05-18-2006, 04:32 PM
VOTE ANXIETY

I like the evidence against him the best at this point. Qwik seems more knowledgable than Tangle and the seer role gives you knowledge. Also, he was right up there with Barkeep on my suspect list.

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 04:33 PM
I just knew that if I didn't reveal it would be that much harder to differentiate and when you guys weren't taking to my lead, I just decided this was the last resort before we were all lead down the wrong path.

Tyrith
05-18-2006, 04:36 PM
I think covering over the top as the fake seer second is just way too risky for anyone to actually do it, and I don't like Tangle's analysis at all.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 04:37 PM
[QUOTE=tanglewood]Blade's view PM came back something like:

"blahblahblahblah Blade's role blahblahblah

Blade is NOT a maniac."[QUOTE]
Tell me my role then tangle...if you get it right, ill vote barkeep. As of now, im 90% sure anxiety will get my vote and you will follow.

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 04:38 PM
I'm outta here folks, so I won't be able to defend any arguments. I have a feeling that Anxiety will be cut loose by the maniacs, and I'm curious to hear Tangle's defense. If there is a bodyguard still alive tonight, please protect me, and at the groups' request I'll scan either Barkeep or someone else.

100% sure maniac: Anxiety and Tangle
100% clear: Blade

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 04:38 PM
I just knew that if I didn't reveal it would be that much harder to differentiate and when you guys weren't taking to my lead, I just decided this was the last resort before we were all lead down the wrong path.
You should have waited till i showed up, i wouldnt have let barkeep be tested

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 04:39 PM
Blade's view PM came back something like:

"blahblahblahblah Blade's role blahblahblah

Blade is NOT a maniac."
Tell me my role then tangle...if you get it right, ill vote barkeep. As of now, im 90% sure anxiety will get my vote and you will follow.
Fixed so tangle can see it

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 04:40 PM
qwikshot, what reason is given for your placement in this asylum? Tangle can answer as well

dubb93
05-18-2006, 04:42 PM
Qwik, if you do survive the night I don't think scanning Tangle is the way to go if you are the seer. He is just going to be the turncoat and most likely killed anyway. I think Barkeep or someone quiet is the best way to go.

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 04:44 PM
qwikshot, what reason is given for your placement in this asylum? Tangle can answer as well

That's easy! Before I leave for the evening..

I was put in the asylum because I can "see things."

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 04:45 PM
That's easy! Before I leave for the evening..

I was put in the asylum because I can "see things."
Driven crazy by your powers, or just other people think your crazy?

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 04:47 PM
I have no special abilities that are useful, although I do have a crappy one. My only "special" ability is that once I vote, I'm not allowed to change it. That's it..
If Dubb doesnt claim to having this role, this rings of true...dubb, whats your voting restriction since today is kind of key

dubb93
05-18-2006, 04:49 PM
If Dubb doesnt claim to having this role, this rings of true...dubb, whats your voting restriction since today is kind of key

It sounds very legit, I was just going to wait for Tangle to try an guess yours. I can't be the 1st person to vote for anyone during a day cycle. I have to wait until someone votes them 1st. Hence why I was asking for a Barkeep vote yesterday b/f I saw a run on him and voted Cronin.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 04:53 PM
For the 4th bloody time, LATHUM...ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS!!!!
Lathum, you claim bodyguard...and im not sure why as i think barkeep was leading the vote....so answer me a few questions if you dont mind:

What is the reason given for your power? Like what illness?

And was i attacked on night one and you saved me or just nothing happened?

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 04:55 PM
It sounds very legit, I was just going to wait for Tangle to try an guess yours. I can't be the 1st person to vote for anyone during a day cycle. I have to wait until someone votes them 1st. Hence why I was asking for a Barkeep vote yesterday b/f I saw a run on him and voted Cronin.
Schmidty and dubb are both 100% trusted in my book now...ill hold off on my power until tangle gets back, but the fact i trust schmidty now all but dooms tangle.

Tyrith
05-18-2006, 05:05 PM
Unless we come up with some hard evidence against Tangle, Anxiety seems to be pretty guilty right now.

Vote Anxiety

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 05:09 PM
VOTE ANXIETY

dubb93
05-18-2006, 05:28 PM
Current Vote Tally:

Anxiety 6- (Qwikshot, Barkeep, SNDVLS, Dubb93, Tyrith, Blade6119)
Barkeep 2- (Tanglewood, Lathum)

Non Votes:

Schmidty and Anxiety but I think we all know where their two votes are going to go.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 05:33 PM
so anxiety is getting tested barring tangle answering my question correct.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 05:40 PM
And an updated circle of trust on a scale of 1-10 would be. Anything above 5 means they have some trust from me, 5 is no read at this time, and below 5 means I suspect them:

10

Blade, Schmidty, and Qwik

Both Blade and Schmidty have roles very similar to mine, even if Blade hasn't come right out and said what his is I've picked up some hints. Schmidty was on my suspect radar yesterday, but his role seems solid and very much like mine.

Qwik claims seer as does Tangle, but Qwik's sounds much more likely to be based in fact. I can't buy the fact that Tangle doesn't have solid information if he is the seer. Also he suspects someone that is in my full trust zone.

Keep in mind Blade has been cleared by both the real seer and fake seer, whoever they turn out to be.

8

Lathum

Claims bodyguard and I buy it. Seems misguided toward Tangle, but at that time I was too.

6

Tyrith

Seems to be trying to do the right thing and work his way through the voting process. I believe his actions have been for the good of the team so far.

5

SNDVLS

The man always plays the role of a bad guy. ;) At this point I have no read on him.

3

Barkeep

I just can't shake the feeling that he isn't playing a normal Barkeep like game. He seems to be making actions without thinking too much about them and pretty well indifferent to how the game unfolds. Prehaps he has an McKerney type role where he doesn't win with the rest of us? IDK, but something doesn't seem right with Barkeep. Also his role doesn't fit with the rest of us, the only two with "similar" roles are Cronin and Anxiety.

1

Tanglewood

Only makes it above 0 b/c I don't think he is a maniac. I firmly believe he is a cultist type role who wins if the maniacs win. Putting us off 3 days with only 10 players left would have been a good way to do that, especially if we decided we needed to not vote him and try to get a maniac after we lynched Barkeep and Schmidty and they both come up clean.

0

Anxiety

I challenge you to find one instance of him trying to help the villager cause in this game or even so much as acting in good faith toward our cause.

***subject to change if Qwik just completely yanked our chain

dubb93
05-18-2006, 05:41 PM
so anxiety is getting tested barring tangle answering my question correct.

Yes, I assume Schmidty will vote Anxiety and Anxiety will vote Barkeep.

Abe Sargent
05-18-2006, 06:04 PM
Just woke up from a nap. I was dreaming of trying to enter the UK again and filling out paperwork. They used some British term to describe something, which I can't remember, and then I loved it so much I kept saying it in my dream and annoying hte British immigration officials. It was great!

I have no defense to Qwiksand. Either he or Tangle is lying, and you have no reason to believe one over the other. After you've killed me tonight, I wish you well tomorrow.

-Anxiety

Abe Sargent
05-18-2006, 06:04 PM
Vote Qwikshot

-Anxiety

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 06:36 PM
Actually, I'll say this...and in a way I'm giving up my life for doing it.

The reason I know Tangle is lying is because I am the seer!

I scanned Blade the first night and found him to be clean, but he was scared and hiding something.

2nd night I scanned Saldana, but I didn't see anything, the reason being, he was being murdered.

Last night, I scanned Anxiety, sure enough maniac.

Now I know that it would be unfair for the patients to have two seers, but I know that maybe one is evil and trying to find the seer.

So I would say with 100% that Anxiety is a maniac.
I would say that Tangle is a maniac because I'm the seer.
Lathum seems to be with them, but I have not scanned him or Tangle, and after tonight I'll probably be dead, but I would go with them.

Believe it what you will, there is no way to prove my abilities till after the game is over, I realized that if I died tonight without saying I was the seer that no one would know I was the seer.

I think if we get all these guys we end the game and the mysterious and evil doctor is dead.

That's it, I'm out. Believe me or not.

Interseting. :eek:

I will answer some questions people have posed to me and then come back to this, I need to think about this for a bit first. However I am definitley the seer, or at least a seer.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 06:38 PM
Interseting. :eek:

I will answer some questions people have posed to me and then come back to this, I need to think about this for a bit first. However I am definitley the seer, or at least a seer.

LOL, then why the hell don't you have any information? And what is Blades role?

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 06:43 PM
[QUOTE=tanglewood]Blade's view PM came back something like:

"blahblahblahblah Blade's role blahblahblah

Blade is NOT a maniac."[QUOTE]
Tell me my role then tangle...if you get it right, ill vote barkeep. As of now, im 90% sure anxiety will get my vote and you will follow.

I said previously, I do not know specifically what your role is. Only that you are very afraid of something and that there is no evil in your heart. And that you are not a maniac.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 06:47 PM
[QUOTE=Blade6119][QUOTE=tanglewood]Blade's view PM came back something like:

"blahblahblahblah Blade's role blahblahblah

Blade is NOT a maniac."

I said previously, I do not know specifically what your role is. Only that you are very afraid of something and that there is no evil in your heart. And that you are not a maniac.
I am very afraid of something, which is why im still listening to you...its a lot closer to my role then qwikshot was..but you said blade's role, so i assumed you mean blade's role...tangle, why are you in this asylum?

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 06:48 PM
qwikshot, what reason is given for your placement in this asylum? Tangle can answer as well

I am in the asylum, as stated before, because I am paranoid and refuse to leave my crystal ball anywhere. I go crazy if I don't have my crystal ball with me at all times. Every night, I look into my crystal ball and see into peoples souls.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 06:50 PM
Could we have a situation where we have a seer and someone who thinks they are the seer but are getting some bad readings? Could that explain why Tangle didn't see anything at all when he looked at Schmidty and Barkeep and has limited knowledge of Blade?

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 06:52 PM
Could we have a situation where we have a seer and someone who thinks they are the seer but are getting some bad readings? Could that explain why Tangle didn't see anything at all when he looked at Schmidty and Barkeep and has limited knowledge of Blade?

I am in the middle of typing a rather long post, but this was one of my suggestions. The first thing that came to me when Qwik revealed was that one of us perhaps thinks we are a seer when they are not.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:00 PM
Could we have a situation where we have a seer and someone who thinks they are the seer but are getting some bad readings? Could that explain why Tangle didn't see anything at all when he looked at Schmidty and Barkeep and has limited knowledge of Blade?
I doubt highly we have 2 seers...1 fake one is possible, but i doubt it. My thinking on today is that anxiety is a thing...after the night last night i posted anxiety was my #1, and qwikshot quickly followed with a vote on anxiety. Not sure exact order of votes, but 1 of two things happened in my mind:

1.Qwikshot is the seer, and my push with his vote was enough to scare the crap out of anxiety and his fellow wolf tangle...they felt that it was a deathblow to lose anxiety today, so tangle made a move. Not only did he not clear anxiety, ensuring he didnt look bad if anxiety was tested, he didnt 100% damn anyone else. A very conservative play, and one i dont understand why he made(much like the lathum reveal) if he is in fact the seer. Qwikshot, being the real seer, tried to push anxiety quietly hoping id lead the push, but i wasnt around and tangle swung people. So then qwikshot claimed witness, which no one really bought, so then he finally revealed seer. In this situation, it should be anxiety and tangle as bad guys, but not necessarily both maniacs. Most likely we have 1 of those as a cultist, and another bad guy trying to avoid this whole mess(barkeep, sndvls, tyrith...take your pick).

2.Tangle is the seer, and for some reason without knowing anxiety was good or knowing for sure barkeep or schmidty were bad decided it was time to reveal. He swings people to barkeep, hoping to save the day...then wolf qwikshot comes out to save his partner barkeep, and hilarity ensues. The trio of Dubb, Blade, and schmidty all but swing it with qwikshot, wrongly in this scenario, as the wolves buy valuable time. Though due to tangle not really associating with anyone, the key in this scenario is qwik saving barkeep

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:03 PM
That's easy! Before I leave for the evening..

I was put in the asylum because I can "see things."
I wish you were back to answer how you scan...crystal ball, spying, etc...could solve this whole situation if you said what i want to hear

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 07:07 PM
If I was not a seer, why would I fake reveal on day three? If there were three maniacs day 1, one conversion and one killed since, then the current ratio is 7:3. As a bad guy, why risk a reveal in this situation? Say I'm a maniac, if you do buy me that gets it to 5:3 after a villager is lynched and one killed at night, then the next day you lynch me and it's 5:2, 4:2 the next lynch vote, and the 'village' has a very valuable set of voting data to hunt out the remaining two. A maniac could easily just stay quiet and let a patient get lynched, which is alwyays the most likely result, without any risk at all, especially considering one who hasn't really drawn much heat in the game. Also, if you assume Qwik is telling the truth and is a seer, then why the hell would a maniac reveal as a seer if the know they haven't got the seer yet and most likely there is a real one out there? It makes no sense!

dubb93
05-18-2006, 07:10 PM
Though due to tangle not really associating with anyone, the key in this scenario is qwik saving barkeep

And if Anxiety comes up clean my vote will not be for either "seer" tomorrow, but for Barkeep. I honestly think due to Tangle's reveal he has a very good chance of being the anti-seer.

The way the reveal sounds Tangle appears to be getting a semi-true reading every other night. Which makes me wonder if Qwik isn't getting the true reads on the other nights....

Also, one of them could be a cultist that gets scanns and one of them finally hit on one of their maniacs and wants to protect them. Also, keep in mind yesterday I did put out the idea that saldana could have been the seer. Tangle could have picked up on that.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:10 PM
If I was not a seer, why would I fake reveal on day three? If there were three maniacs day 1, one conversion and one killed since, then the current ratio is 7:3. As a bad guy, why risk a reveal in this situation? Say I'm a maniac, if you do buy me that gets it to 5:3 after a villager is lynched and one killed at night, then the next day you lynch me and it's 5:2, 4:2 the next lynch vote, and the 'village' has a very valuable set of voting data to hunt out the remaining two. A maniac could easily just stay quiet and let a patient get lynched, which is alwyays the most likely result, without any risk at all, especially considering one who hasn't really drawn much heat in the game. Also, if you assume Qwik is telling the truth and is a seer, then why the hell would a maniac reveal as a seer if the know they haven't got the seer yet and most likely there is a real one out there? It makes no sense!
If there is no conversion then its 8-2...losing anxiety would make it 8-1, at which point its basically impossible the win even with a cultist trying to help you. So, with no conversion, you see today as basically endgame is anxiety is a wolf. It makes tons of sense then. Just saying, both sides of the story have scenarios

kingfc22
05-18-2006, 07:11 PM
Current vote count:

Anxiety (6)
Barkeep (2)
Qwikshot (1)


No Vote: Schmidty

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:12 PM
And if Anxiety comes up clean my vote will not be for either "seer" tomorrow, but for Barkeep. I honestly think due to Tangle's reveal he has a very good chance of being the anti-seer.

The way the reveal sounds Tangle appears to be getting a semi-true reading every other night. Which makes me wonder if Qwik isn't getting the true reads on the other nights....

Also, one of them could be a cultist that gets scanns and one of them finally hit on one of their maniacs and wants to protect them. Also, keep in mind yesterday I did put out the idea that saldana could have been the seer. Tangle could have picked up on that.
im pretty sure saldana was not the seer, his room didnt fit the seer description. In fact, thinking about it, i might know his role...let me go look at something in the beginning

dubb93
05-18-2006, 07:15 PM
Also, assume it is 8-2 with you counting as a maniac if you make it to the end. That really puts it 7-3 and also assumes a conversion on night 1.

You get Barkeep who is clean to go tonight, 6-3, night kill makes it 5-3. Do they automatically kill you the next day? IDK, maybe we go schmidty or Blade since you tried to clear him(this was b/f Qwik came out keep in mind.) If by some change we don't kill it and kill someone else maniacs win.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Anxiety is the last bad guy and you know this. That makes it 8-2 counting you. You get us to go hunting Schmidty and Barkeep. Once that damage is done it is 4-2. Finally we get you, makes it 3-1 after night kills. At that point we have forgotten about Anxiety and he has a chance to pull it out.

Despite what I said earlier, with 10 players left it makes perfect since, day 3 with 15+ people left makes no sense for a fake reveal.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:17 PM
eh, i thought saldana might of had a role where he had to vote for the same person twice in a row or something due to that letter from his girlfriend...the reason im in this asylum is becuase i have an extreme fear of commitment. I am not allowed to vote for the same person two days in a row(final vote). So far i havent had any issues with it since mckerney died, day 2 i voted lathum, and day 3 was cronin. I figured the love letter meant saldana had a counter role to mine, a real commitment. Which means two things, 1 ok, 1 very bad

Either he had to vote for the same person twice, or he was the bodyguard...the commitment issue is the key. Bodyguard in asylum to me is he is so afaid of being lonely that he must spend every night with someone else...hence possible bodyguard. Just stating

Schmidty
05-18-2006, 07:18 PM
This is getting VERY interesting.

I just woke up from a nice, long nap, and am about to go out for some dinner. Having the wife out of town for a few days is awesome. :)

I don't think there's anything else to say, other than I trust Qwik, and since Blade and dubb understand my role and agree:

Vote Anxiety

Now if it happens that Anxiety isn't a maniac (which I doubt), things are going to get ugly. Off to dinner!!!!

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:29 PM
Tangle, im still trying to trust you here, but why reveal today if you didnt know for sure you had a thing? You werent in any danger i dont believe

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 07:31 PM
Well I am going to stay on Barkeep, for obvious reasons. But in other circumstances I would be voting for Anxiety here too. On Day 2, when I had only viewed Barkeep and had gotten only 'darkness' and assumed he was good and I was very sternly defending him almost against odds right near the lynch I put my hand up and said I was prepared to switch to Anxiety with Blade's suggestion after his supicious pilling on vote. Unless I, Anxiety and Barkeep were all maniacs at that point, and I thought it was inevitable one maniac was going to go so I tried to look positive in voting one off rather than defending one being voted off, that move wouldn't have made sense. And if that scenario were true, then what has happened since makes no sense.

So in summary, I am somewhat lukewarm with Anxiety being the lynch candidate, indeed for me he is probably no. 3 suspect after Schmidty and Barkeep.

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 07:35 PM
Tangle, im still trying to trust you here, but why reveal today if you didnt know for sure you had a thing? You werent in any danger i dont believe

Well, I now wish that I hadn't revealed, but oh well...

There was something very specific in tone in the PM I recieved after viewing Schmidty that made me reveal. It was essentially (paraphrasing here) "No way, not another cloudy view! That has never happened before, let alone twice in three days." That, combined with the view of you stating 100% you were clean and the others not stating that lead me to reveal. Yes, in hindsight it was probably a bit rash, even without Qwik's subsequent reveal, but I felt that I had hit something worth doing. If I am correct then we get Barkeep today, Schmidty tommorow and there is only one left maximum with a lot of voting history to try and isolate them.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:37 PM
Well, I now wish that I hadn't revealed, but oh well...

There was something very specific in tone in the PM I recieved after viewing Schmidty that made me reveal. It was essentially (paraphrasing here) "No way, not another cloudy view! That has never happened before, let alone twice in three days." That, combined with the view of you stating 100% you were clean and the others not stating that lead me to reveal. Yes, in hindsight it was probably a bit rash, even without Qwik's subsequent reveal, but I felt that I had hit something worth doing. If I am correct then we get Barkeep today, Schmidty tommorow and there is only one left maximum with a lot of voting history to try and isolate them.
Unless schmidty was converted night one, or dubb for that matter, those 2 are the only 2 i trusts totally..if we have a witness who went out night 1, now is the time...i guess its too late, so we see if qwikshot is lying or not now

Schmidty
05-18-2006, 07:39 PM
Well, I now wish that I hadn't revealed, but oh well...

There was something very specific in tone in the PM I recieved after viewing Schmidty that made me reveal. It was essentially (paraphrasing here) "No way, not another cloudy view! That has never happened before, let alone twice in three days." That, combined with the view of you stating 100% you were clean and the others not stating that lead me to reveal. Yes, in hindsight it was probably a bit rash, even without Qwik's subsequent reveal, but I felt that I had hit something worth doing. If I am correct then we get Barkeep today, Schmidty tommorow and there is only one left maximum with a lot of voting history to try and isolate them.

You are really reaching. I'm still a suspect to you, yet you still have absolutely nothing to go on, and the only thing you've said can easily be explained away.

I hope that you are a wolf, because if you're not, you're really hurting us good guys with your questionable use of the seer ability.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:42 PM
Hey Barkeep, why ya been so quiet this game...very out of character for you

And dubb, what kind of odds do you see qwikshot is the cultist and is making the move you did a few games back, presenting us a villager, clearing a villager, and being a villager

Barkeep49
05-18-2006, 07:43 PM
Hey Barkeep, why ya been so quiet this game...very out of character for you

Don't have anything to say.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:45 PM
Don't have anything to say.
A guy claiming to be our seer is calling you a maniac/wolf, and you have nothing to say? Come on BK, what other stories do you want to try to tell me?

Schmidty
05-18-2006, 07:46 PM
Don't have anything to say.

Perhaps he has a role that only allows him to talk a certain amount a day or something like that. Like a "shy patient" role.

That would suck for him though.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:47 PM
Perhaps he has a role that only allows him to talk a certain amount a day or something like that. Like a "shy patient" role.

That would suck for him though.
Nope, barkeep is acting in free-will...hes just acting oddly in free-will

Barkeep49
05-18-2006, 07:48 PM
A guy claiming to be our seer is calling you a maniac/wolf, and you have nothing to say? Come on BK, what other stories do you want to try to tell me?
Seems like others have seen through his story pretty clearly without my help. And he's not calling me a maniac/wolf. He's using flawed logic to conclude I am one, because he doesn't know what to make of me and schmidty. Doesn't make me evil, just unknown which fits in your claim that everyone has a role. I just don't know mine because it is passively used and only matters vis a vis the seer.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 07:49 PM
And dubb, what kind of odds do you see qwikshot is the cultist and is making the move you did a few games back, presenting us a villager, clearing a villager, and being a villager

Very little, and the whole "cloudy views" reinforces the fact that I think Tangle just thinks he is a seer. He isn't getting complete information like Qwik claims he has gotten. I still trust Qwik and what I'm hearing from Tangle makes me think he may be on the up an up, but is not getting clear reads b/c he is an anti-seer.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 07:51 PM
I hope king can get this done pretty close to the deadline b/c I have to be at work @ 9:30.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:51 PM
I just don't know mine because it is passively used and only matters vis a vis the seer.
So your saying you do have a role now?

Barkeep49
05-18-2006, 07:51 PM
So your saying you do have a role now?
I just don't know mine because it is passively used and only matters vis a vis the seer.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 07:53 PM
I just don't know mine because it is passively used and only matters vis a vis the seer.
Meaning you think you cant be scanned or something?...so far this seems like a load of BS bud :) Stop playling blade and start playing barkeep

Barkeep49
05-18-2006, 07:54 PM
Meaning you think you cant be scanned or something?...so far this seems like a load of BS bud :) Stop playling blade and start playing barkeep
I have no role. Alternatively I have a role and don't know it. Those are the options.

st.cronin
05-18-2006, 07:59 PM
Tom Brady says hi.

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 08:00 PM
Okay, if I survive the night, which is probably fairly likely considering the general reaction to my reveal, who do people want me to view, if you assume I am the seer?

I was fairly firm about view Qwik ever since his reveal, however now I am farily inclined to believe him, especially if Anxiety comes up a bad guy. However, I have now pretty much decided on someone else, but I am not sure if it is wise to state who exactly at this moment.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 08:01 PM
death to anxiety then

kingfc22
05-18-2006, 08:02 PM
For the 4<sup>th</sup> day in a row the group of patients gathers around. The cafeteria has finally been reopened and you are able to eat something other than bread and water.
<o></o>
Qwikshot grabs a chair and proclaims that it is Hung Li #333 (anxiety) that must die today. The group is not sure whether to trust him or not, but the feeling of accomplishment that spread over you all yesterday after killing a maniac has you very confident today. However, it is not a truly unanimous decision as some of you hold out hope that Li is just a normal patient.
<o></o>
Qwik steps down off his chair and picks it up using both hands. He moves towards the table where anxiety is sitting and he swings the chair towards the back of anxiety’s head. Anxiety’s last memory is his face hitting the mash potatoes on his plate.
<o></o>
You all quickly run to anxiety’s room to see what you can find. You look on his table, nothing. You look on his bed, nothing. You look in his bed sheets, nothing.
<o></o>
Did you kill another innocent patient?
<o></o>
“Wait! I smell blooooooood” say AE as he races into the room. AE quickly crawls under the bed and finds some towels hidden behind a panel on the wall. These towels are not white as they should be. Instead, these towels have been covered with blood.

NIGHT 4 HAS BEGUN

Deadline is midnight EST.

dubb93
05-18-2006, 08:02 PM
Okay, if I survive the night, which is probably fairly likely considering the general reaction to my reveal, who do people want me to view, if you assume I am the seer?

I was fairly firm about view Qwik ever since his reveal, however now I am farily inclined to believe him, especially if Anxiety comes up a bad guy. However, I have now pretty much decided on someone else, but I am not sure if it is wise to state who exactly at this moment.

View Barkeep again. I think you may only be getting good views every other day.

kingfc22
05-18-2006, 08:04 PM
Final vote count:

Anxiety (7): dubb, tyrith, blade, sndvls, qwik, barkeep, schmidty
Barkeep (2): tanglewood, lathum
Qwikshot (1): anxiety

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 08:05 PM
For the 4<sup>th</sup> day in a row the group of patients gathers around. The cafeteria has finally been reopened and you are able to eat something other than bread and water.
<o></o>
Qwikshot grabs a chair and proclaims that it is Hung Li #333 (anxiety) that must die today. The group is not sure whether to trust him or not, but the feeling of accomplishment that spread over you all yesterday after killing a maniac has you very confident today. However, it is not a truly unanimous decision as some of you hold out hope that Li is just a normal patient.
<o></o>
Qwik steps down off his chair and picks it up using both hands. He moves towards the table where anxiety is sitting and he swings the chair towards the back of anxiety’s head. Anxiety’s last memory is his face hitting the mash potatoes on his plate.
<o></o>
You all quickly run to anxiety’s room to see what you can find. You look on his table, nothing. You look on his bed, nothing. You look in his bed sheets, nothing.
<o></o>
Did you kill another innocent patient?
<o></o>
“Wait! I smell blooooooood” say AE as he races into the room. AE quickly crawls under the bed and finds some towels hidden behind a panel on the wall. These towels are not white as they should be. Instead, these towels have been covered with blood.

NIGHT 4 HAS BEGUN

Deadline is midnight EST.

That should be our cultist if im not mistaken, not a maniac..good either way, but not what qwikshot said i dont think...maybe im wrong, but i dont remember anxiety trumpeting anywhere his role had to do with blood

dubb93
05-18-2006, 08:12 PM
That should be our cultist if im not mistaken, not a maniac..good either way, but not what qwikshot said i dont think...maybe im wrong, but i dont remember anxiety trumpeting anywhere his role had to do with blood

Idk, I assume the blood would be from the victims. I wish we could just get a straight answer on some of these. I just don't know.

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 08:13 PM
View Barkeep again. I think you may only be getting good views every other day.

I was thinking of viewing Schmidty again, actually. But now the lynch result has made me think twice again.

Schmidty
05-18-2006, 08:24 PM
Idk, I assume the blood would be from the victims. I wish we could just get a straight answer on some of these. I just don't know.

I you're right, and that Anxiety was a Maniac. I have no idea about a cultist like you guys are talking about.

Abe Sargent
05-18-2006, 08:32 PM
Okay, I'm out obviously. I hope you all have a great game, and I'll be watching with interest :)


See ya in the next game!


-Anxiety

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 08:46 PM
I you're right, and that Anxiety was a Maniac. I have no idea about a cultist like you guys are talking about.
I say cultist, and i think anxiety prob. knew the wolves...so we now have 2 peoples post history to review

Poli
05-18-2006, 08:47 PM
I feel good....

nanananana

I knew that I would now....

I'm 30...

nananananana

I know that I am now....

So good...

So good...

I feel good!

Start the saxophone.

tanglewood
05-18-2006, 08:49 PM
I feel good....

nanananana

I knew that I would now....

I'm 30...

nananananana

I know that I am now....

So good...

So good...

I feel good!

Start the saxophone.

There are many, many worse songs one can sing whilst crazy.

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 08:52 PM
No, he was a maniac...

Please protect me tonight...I will scan barkeep.

Tangle should be the next target.

Sleep well, they're on the run.

Qwikshot
05-18-2006, 08:59 PM
Actually, I think I'm going to view someone else.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 09:29 PM
No, he was a maniac...

Please protect me tonight...I will scan barkeep.

Tangle should be the next target.

Sleep well, they're on the run.
Sorry to be mean/blunt here, but he didnt have any pills with DW on them...he was no maniac....you can claim cultist(which i do), but maniac he was NOT it would appear

Schmidty
05-18-2006, 09:33 PM
Sorry to be mean/blunt here, but he didnt have any pills with DW on them...he was no maniac....you can claim cultist(which i do), but maniac he was NOT it would appear

You keep talking about some cultist, and I asked what it is. So in the fuck is it???????

Just because we didn't find a pill doesn't mean that he wasn't a maniac. We found bloody towls UNDER HIS BED. Not every write-up king does is going to be the same.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 09:50 PM
You keep talking about some cultist, and I asked what it is. So in the fuck is it???????

Just because we didn't find a pill doesn't mean that he wasn't a maniac. We found bloody towls UNDER HIS BED. Not every write-up king does is going to be the same.
Note, they were hidden behind a panel, not just under his bed..that signifys something, and to me that means fear of that very blood. This is my idea of a cultist in this game:

Cultist: This person wants to be a homicidal maniac but they have an abnormal fear of blood. They are enjoying the carnage and win if the maniacs win. They know the identity of the maniacs but the maniacs do not know who this person is.(with that last point up in the air, and being an out for a possible night one conversion.)

Schmidty
05-18-2006, 09:57 PM
Note, they were hidden behind a panel, not just under his bed..that signifys something, and to me that means fear of that very blood. This is my idea of a cultist in this game:

Cultist: This person wants to be a homicidal maniac but they have an abnormal fear of blood. They are enjoying the carnage and win if the maniacs win. They know the identity of the maniacs but the maniacs do not know who this person is.(with that last point up in the air, and being an out for a possible night one conversion.)

No offense, but I really think you're reading into things. I mean, it's fine that you are questioning the results, but you are making it sound definitive when we don't even know if the "cultist" role even exists. We KNOW that the maniacs exists, therefore, we must give that role a whole lot more wieght as far as a possibility than one we don't even know is present (cultist).

As far as I'm concerned, we most likely got a maniac.

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 10:05 PM
SIGNUPS
1. st. cronin - lynched day 3
2. path12 - killed night 3
3. mckerney - lynched day 1
4. anxiety - lynched day 4
5. saldana - killed night 2
6. tyrith
7. barkeep49
8. tanglewood
9. qwikshot
10. schmidty
11. lathum
12. blade6119
13. dubb93
14. sndvls
Anyone else find it hilarious we are just working our way down the list? God im glad to be at the bottom :D :D

Tyrith, sleep tight ;)

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 10:06 PM
No offense, but I really think you're reading into things. I mean, it's fine that you are questioning the results, but you are making it sound definitive when we don't even know if the "cultist" role even exists. We KNOW that the maniacs exists, therefore, we must give that role a whole lot more wieght as far as a possibility than one we don't even know is present (cultist).

As far as I'm concerned, we most likely got a maniac.
I saw no reference of DW or anything to make me think we got a maniac...sorry, i dont buy it...i trust you, but this likely means we will be on different sides of the debate tomorrow

Schmidty
05-18-2006, 10:20 PM
I saw no reference of DW or anything to make me think we got a maniac...sorry, i dont buy it...i trust you, but this likely means we will be on different sides of the debate tomorrow

I trust you as much as I can trust anyone other than dubb, but I just don't think that we have any proof that this Cultist role even exists (as I said).

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 10:24 PM
I trust you as much as I can trust anyone other than dubb, but I just don't think that we have any proof that this Cultist role even exists (as I said).
I agree with that, but what evidence do we have that mckerney and his french flags meant a french role? None, doesnt mean he didnt have it. We can only assume off the clues king gave us

Abe Sargent
05-18-2006, 10:37 PM
Anyone else find it hilarious we are just working our way down the list? God im glad to be at the bottom :D :D

Tyrith, sleep tight ;)


Teehee..

Note, am I allowed to post these sorts of posts even thought I'm now dead?

-Anxiety

Blade6119
05-18-2006, 10:39 PM
Teehee..

Note, am I allowed to post these sorts of posts even thought I'm now dead?

-Anxiety
As long as you dont effect the game in any way, or even hint at something, your fine...look at ardent, your fine

kingfc22
05-19-2006, 02:25 AM
Again, the group seems pleased about the outcome during the day. You head back to your cells hoping for a good night’s sleep, but you know the maniacs are out there and you too could end up like saldana and path.
<o:p> </o:p>
This night is not a peaceful one. Most of you are awakened by a loud scream in the hallway. This scream is followed by the sound of someone sprinting across the hall and around the corner. By the time any of you get up to look to see what has happened, the individual has gotten away.
<o:p> </o:p>
The rest of the night is pretty tense as most of you stay awake waiting to see if any maniacs try to enter your room.
<o:p> </o:p>
The morning comes and nobody is dead or missing.

kingfc22
05-19-2006, 02:26 AM
DAY 5 HAS BEGUN

Deadline is 9:00 PM EST


It is up to you guys if you want to play on Saturday. If not, then we will resume on Monday.

Qwikshot
05-19-2006, 05:07 AM
Sorry to be mean/blunt here, but he didnt have any pills with DW on them...he was no maniac....you can claim cultist(which i do), but maniac he was NOT it would appear

Blade, my viewing on Anxiety told me point black that he was a maniac, not a cultist, not a leftist, not even an anthropologist. Be blunt all you want, but that is what my viewing /told/ me.

Ye of little faith.

Unfortunately, the loud banging and screams kept me from viewing Lathum.

Vote Tanglewood

Blade6119
05-19-2006, 05:57 AM
im honestly starting to doubt qwikshot..why scan lathum when you can scan tangle?...that doesnt make any sense to me...

tanglewood
05-19-2006, 06:04 AM
Well, I viewed Barkeep a second time and he came back clean as a whistle. So I guess I'll go sit in the corner and shut up now....

Qwikshot
05-19-2006, 06:28 AM
im honestly starting to doubt qwikshot..why scan lathum when you can scan tangle?...that doesnt make any sense to me...

Because I'm the seer, and Tangle claimed to be the seer. I didn't need to waste a scan on him, but I think there was an attempt on my life last night but it was thwarted.

Why would I sell out Anxiety if I was bad?

Let's not divert from the truth; I voted for Cronin (bad), I lead the charge against Anxiety (bad)...I know that Tangle claims to be something he's not and he hasn't diverted from this view, so he's lying, therefore he's bad.

For you to still have doubt on me, is both sad and frustrating, but if you want the maniacs to win, go right ahead. Let me just say I did scan you first because you always are a fixture in these games and claim to know so much about them, but you are over-thinking this one. Give the brain a rest; let Qwikshot take care of the rest.

stevew
05-19-2006, 06:30 AM
An unexpected twist.

stevew
05-19-2006, 06:30 AM
I like that about this game.

Blade6119
05-19-2006, 06:47 AM
Because I'm the seer, and Tangle claimed to be the seer. I didn't need to waste a scan on him, but I think there was an attempt on my life last night but it was thwarted.

Why would I sell out Anxiety if I was bad?

Let's not divert from the truth; I voted for Cronin (bad), I lead the charge against Anxiety (bad)...I know that Tangle claims to be something he's not and he hasn't diverted from this view, so he's lying, therefore he's bad.

For you to still have doubt on me, is both sad and frustrating, but if you want the maniacs to win, go right ahead. Let me just say I did scan you first because you always are a fixture in these games and claim to know so much about them, but you are over-thinking this one. Give the brain a rest; let Qwikshot take care of the rest.
Everytime i let someone else take charge i get screwed...as for you, i stand by the fact i dont think anxiety was a maniac and therefore i doubt you knew his role. So really only your vote for cronin holds any value, and if you had swapped it would have created a 4-4 tie to barkeep, the same action you blasted me for the day before...not an option...

You did charge for anxiety after schmidty first, and i second, both questioned him the day before and made him our top targets the coming day...lead it, i dont know...

1. The maniacs saw me and ran away (I am a former Mr. Universe after all)
Didnt either saldana or path have tons of weights in their room? Am i really the only one seeing major holes in these role reveals? The fact lathum continues to ignore my questions doesnt help...im sorry, but after being right about cronin and anxiety, i think i have a right to question the validity of these 2(i dont necessarily believe tangle, his story has as many if not more holes...but still)

Qwikshot
05-19-2006, 07:02 AM
Everytime i let someone else take charge i get screwed...as for you, i stand by the fact i dont think anxiety was a maniac and therefore i doubt you knew his role. So really only your vote for cronin holds any value, and if you had swapped it would have created a 4-4 tie to barkeep, the same action you blasted me for the day before...not an option...

You did charge for anxiety after schmidty first, and i second, both questioned him the day before and made him our top targets the coming day...lead it, i dont know...


Didnt either saldana or path have tons of weights in their room? Am i really the only one seeing major holes in these role reveals? The fact lathum continues to ignore my questions doesnt help...im sorry, but after being right about cronin and anxiety, i think i have a right to question the validity of these 2(i dont necessarily believe tangle, his story has as many if not more holes...but still)

You screw yourself. Vote for Tangle, it will clear all of this. Or vote for me, you seem so smart, then kill me Blade. I'm sure your prowess will defeat the maniacs.

Raiders Army
05-19-2006, 07:41 AM
If Anxiety was Hung Li, who was hung low?

stevew
05-19-2006, 07:44 AM
Good question.

Poli
05-19-2006, 08:16 AM
Crazy? I went crazy once.

stevew
05-19-2006, 08:24 AM
Crazy? I went crazy once.
Coco puffs did it to you?

Lathum
05-19-2006, 09:49 AM
OK, important info to come and answers to blades questions.

And blade try and relax a little, as I mention the real worl has kept me busy.

Lathum
05-19-2006, 10:02 AM
OK Blade.

Barkeep wasn't leading the vote, it was already 2-0 for me and I was worried about an early bandwagon forming. I also knew I had to go to work in a little while so I did my role reveal. My plan was to role reveal and act as if the maniacs would assume I would protect myself that night. I did the opposite and protected schmidty and it worked, they kept me alive. More to come on this...

My role states I am the bodyguard but I have a fear of attatchment so I can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row.

Night one nothing happened which is why I yhink there was a conversion.

I hope that answers your questions.

Lathum
05-19-2006, 10:08 AM
OK, here is why I am pretty sure there was a conversion. Night one no kill and nothing happened.

If you read above you see my strategy for NOT protecting myself the night of my reveal. The maniac came after me last night and I protected myself, that was all the running. The message indicted that the person ran away so I am pretty sure there is only one.

They played right into my hands, by not protecting myself the night they thought I would I protected myself the next night when I knew they would come for me, assuming I wouldn't / couldn't protect myself 2 nights in a row.

I am thinking of 2 possibilities,

1. Qwik did try and scan me and could't because of the attatck

2. Qwik is the maniac, tried to attack me and is using this as his set up.

I say we lynch tangle today and if he is innocent we lynch Qwik tomorrow.

Game over.

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

Barkeep49
05-19-2006, 10:21 AM
Vote Tangle
I think Tangle is likely either a denuded seer or an evil.

Lathum
05-19-2006, 10:32 AM
I'm off to work, I will be back before the deadline in case there is anything interesting happening.

st.cronin
05-19-2006, 11:00 AM
Why does it hurt when I pee?

Qwikshot
05-19-2006, 11:47 AM
Why does it hurt when I pee?

Cos yer dead?

st.cronin
05-19-2006, 11:52 AM
Cos yer dead?

oh yeah

Abe Sargent
05-19-2006, 12:13 PM
Cos yer dead?


good call.

-Anxiety

Qwikshot
05-19-2006, 12:34 PM
Cos yer dead?

Shoulda added the ;) to take the sting out. Twas making a funny.

kingfc22
05-19-2006, 12:36 PM
Twas making a funny.

I thought it was funny.:D

st.cronin
05-19-2006, 12:37 PM
Shoulda added the ;) to take the sting out. Twas making a funny.

didn't sting a bit

I'm still enjoying the game. :)

Poli
05-19-2006, 01:04 PM
Ah ah ah ah

Stayin' alive, stayin' alive....

Blade6119
05-19-2006, 01:04 PM
I'm sure your prowess will defeat the maniacs.
Stop being a prick, im not trashing you or claiming to be some great player. Im merely questioning your story out loud, god forbid. Have a little class man...:o

stevew
05-19-2006, 01:05 PM
Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,
I'm a woman's man: no time to talk.
Music loud and women warm, I've been kicked around
since I was born.

SnDvls
05-19-2006, 01:19 PM
if Barkeep and Lathum both are going this route and I have pretty high trust in them from their info and from everything else we've gotten I'm going that way as well.

Vote Tanglewood

Tyrith
05-19-2006, 01:33 PM
I'm going out to the local golf course, I may or may not make it back before the deadline. I'm interested to see what develops arise here, but at the moment, it seems the worst that can come from lynching Tanglewood is some useful information, and the best case scenario is game over.

Vote Tanglewood

Schmidty
05-19-2006, 01:59 PM
Stop being a prick, im not trashing you or claiming to be some great player. Im merely questioning your story out loud, god forbid. Have a little class man...:o

You just called him a prick, so isn't you statement a pot calling a kettle black?

Schmidty
05-19-2006, 01:59 PM
This one is a no-brainer.

Vote tanglewood

tanglewood
05-19-2006, 03:16 PM
Well, it looks like I'm going down especialy as I will not be around to defend myself this evening.

1. Barkeep and Blade are clean. Sorry Barkeep. :(

2. I was not convinced Qwik was bad, but he has been acting very oddly so I guess I am now officially suspicious of him, especially the whole "I couldn't view last night thing" as I got my view with no problems at all.

3. Schimdty, I am still suspicious of, despite the second view on Barkeep making him come clean, thus he not automatically being damned by the darkness in my iew of him. He has been very vociferous in his persual of me and has been generally very shifty throughout.

If by some miracle I live I will view Qwik at night.

dubb93
05-19-2006, 03:36 PM
If the vote goes to tanglewood I think I will abstain, if someone feels the need to vote for someone else I will throw my vote that way but I refuse to vote Tanglewood b/c I think we can get good reads out of him every other night.

Seriously, you play that role and think you are a seer and see nothing but black cloudyness and not think something is up twice in 3 days. With that said I think he has given us 2 solid reads, Blade and Barkeep, both clean.

Did I miss it somewhere or did Lathum not say who he protected last night?

dubb93
05-19-2006, 03:39 PM
re-read, I got it. He claims to have protected himself and I think last night atleast proves there is still a bodyguard in the game. With no one coming forward yet I think he is all but cleared.

dubb93
05-19-2006, 03:58 PM
DAMNIT! I'm going to the bar, probably be there till after the deadline, so...

I ABSTAIN FROM VOTING

dubb93
05-19-2006, 04:00 PM
If by some miracle I live I will view Qwik at night.

Just FYI, if you do live and are telling the truth it won't matter who you view;)

st.cronin
05-19-2006, 04:13 PM
I just pooped a squirrel.

Qwikshot
05-19-2006, 04:13 PM
Stop being a prick, im not trashing you or claiming to be some great player. Im merely questioning your story out loud, god forbid. Have a little class man...:o

:rolleyes:

Poli
05-19-2006, 04:15 PM
Crazy? I went crazy once.

tanglewood
05-19-2006, 04:21 PM
Just FYI, if you do live and are telling the truth it won't matter who you view;)

Just popped back in and glanced over this thread again after I realised I forgot to place a vote.

Well, I do not necessarily think that it is an every other night thing, but more likely to be some kind of dice roll that determines whether I get a view or not. I think it would be a bit unfair if it was already preordained by the GM which nights I would get a view and which I wouldn't.

Now I am definitley not going to come back before the deadline.

Vote Schmidty

dubb93
05-19-2006, 04:21 PM
OK, ride not here yet and I see Tanglewood is in thread. Tangle, the only person left that I don't have some kind of feel for is SNDVLS. If you vote him I'll follow along with ya.

dubb93
05-19-2006, 04:23 PM
Come on tangle, Schmidty has a role just like mine, unless he was a convert he's clean. Look at how quiet sun has been voting without explanation. Change that so I get a vote in.

tanglewood
05-19-2006, 04:23 PM
OK, ride not here yet and I see Tanglewood is in thread. Tangle, the only person left that I don't have some kind of feel for is SNDVLS. If you vote him I'll follow along with ya.

SnDvls I have no real read of any kind on. Self-preservation I guess kicks in here....

Unvote Schmidty

Vote SnDvls

dubb93
05-19-2006, 04:24 PM
VOTE SNDVLS

reason above.

dubb93
05-19-2006, 04:24 PM
EHHH, BTW

I NO LONGER ABSTAIN FROM VOTING

VOTE SNDVLS

Blade6119
05-19-2006, 05:04 PM
You just called him a prick, so isn't you statement a pot calling a kettle black?
Ya, but you know me schmidty...im not going to just sit back and let him run his mouth. He wants to be unquestioned, which is normally the worst sign of all. Im not saying he is not what he says he is, but you have to entertain the idea. I suppose tangles death will answer some questions for us, for better or worse.

Blade6119
05-19-2006, 05:19 PM
VOTE TYRITH
I doubt ill be voting him tomorrow, so i vote him today with my power in mind

kingfc22
05-19-2006, 05:57 PM
Ok, I will not be around for the deadline tonight. I will try and post the write-up once I get home and then I will accept night actions over the weekend.

Game will resume on Monday unless you guys want to play on sunday.

stevew
05-19-2006, 10:39 PM
+1

Blade6119
05-19-2006, 10:44 PM
I wouldnt mind playing this weekend at all

Abe Sargent
05-19-2006, 11:31 PM
Blade'll play anytime, anywhere.

-Anxiety

Blade6119
05-19-2006, 11:41 PM
Blade'll play anytime, anywhere.

-Anxiety
I smell a challenge, name your game cowboy

kingfc22
05-20-2006, 02:38 AM
I see nothing changed while I was gone. Writeup coming shortly.

kingfc22
05-20-2006, 02:47 AM
The group has gone 2 days and 1 night without a death. And you see no reason for your roll to end.

"This one is a no-brainer" is the attitude of some. The group decides that today is the day that Pat Hansen #147 (tanglewood) gets put six feet under.

Stevew comes out of his cell with a baseball bat and he breaks tanglewood's crystal ball right in front of him. Tanglewood has a massive panic attack and suddenly he keels over and whammo. He is dead.

You head to tanglewood's room knowing that his crystal ball had just been broken. You find no pills, no blood. You find a book in his room, "Looking into the Soul of Others by Miss Cleo".


NIGHT 5 HAS BEGUN

Once I get all the night actions in I will post the night phase. Then we can decide if we want to begin day 6 on monday or earlier.

stevew
05-20-2006, 09:46 AM
Miss Cleo? That's a blast from the past.

saldana
05-20-2006, 09:55 AM
You find a book in his room, "Looking into the Soul of Others by Miss Cleo".



thats WWHOF material right there, lol

Lathum
05-20-2006, 10:01 AM
I'm ok with playing through the weekend.

And Qwik is one dead mofo

Poli
05-20-2006, 11:17 AM
Crazy? I went crazy once. They put me in a padded cell.

Blade6119
05-20-2006, 11:34 AM
gee, who would of thought that would happen? *rolls eyes*

kingfc22
05-20-2006, 11:51 AM
Ok, so I have a couple of PM's from people that want to play over the weekend.

So if I can get night actions in before I leave for work (1 hour from now) we can have a day phase today. If not, we will have a day phase tomorrow.

Schmidty
05-20-2006, 12:39 PM
Guess I was wrong about tanglewood. If he hadn't been so wrong about me, I never would have thought he was bad.

stevew
05-20-2006, 01:28 PM
Interesting turn of events.

Schmidty
05-20-2006, 01:31 PM
Interesting turn of events.

You should make that your signature.

Qwikshot
05-20-2006, 01:34 PM
I'm ok with playing through the weekend.

And Qwik is one dead mofo

Fine...

Vote Qwikshot

I won't bother scanning anyone else.

Qwikshot
05-20-2006, 01:36 PM
gee, who would of thought that would happen? *rolls eyes*


You sir, are the biggest douche in the universe, and you are on my ignore list.

Barkeep49
05-20-2006, 01:38 PM
Qwik, there's a reason so many of us voted for Tangle: We believe you over him. I always liked the two seer, with one not really having such great abilities, as the explanation for you an Tangle. Do your scan.

Schmidty
05-20-2006, 01:40 PM
This is officially my last WW game. I'll stay until it's over so that king isn't screwed, but after that, I'm done. I'm sick of playing with rude little children. It sucks all of the fun away.

Poli
05-20-2006, 01:54 PM
Crazy? I went crazy once.

hoopsguy
05-20-2006, 05:27 PM
I thought Phil Hellmuth wrote the book on looking into people's souls?

st.cronin
05-20-2006, 06:10 PM
Some people are taking things way too personally.

First, it's a game.

Second, this is an internet messageboard.

Schmidty
05-20-2006, 06:12 PM
Some people are taking things way too personally.

First, it's a game.

Second, this is an internet messageboard.

Exactly.

It's just not fun anymore.

dubb93
05-20-2006, 06:14 PM
I'm trying to follow along but I don't think I can tell quite where things went wrong. Why did blades post make Quik so mad? I'm confused.

st.cronin
05-20-2006, 06:14 PM
Exactly.

It's just not fun anymore.

Well, I still have fun, regardless of how dopey anybody else gets. But I just don't take stuff personally.