QB and team performance

[Bonegavel]

What is the worse QB you've had and you've made it to the playoffs or even the SB?

The whole thing has been mulling around in my head this season with the Eagles/Garcia thing. That game vs the Saints could easily have gone to the Eagles and we'd have a relatively crappy QB in the Conference Championship.

I thinking Garcia is an FOF2K7 51 maybe? Maybe a smidgen of a red bar in the long pass and mediocre in the rest. Can a team in FOF2k7 have this kind of QB and be successful?

[Noop]

Yes they can... I had a QB named Harris Kravitz who stepped in for my injuried QB Jon Scott and proceeded to start 9 games for me going 4-5 but the five losts I would put on my defense since he played lights out.

185/304 cmp/att
60.9 pct
2474 yards
23 tds
8 ints
100.9 QB rating

I believe he was rated 30/30 maybe less since he was undrafted. The next season I let him and the other guy battle it out for the starting job and he won so he started the first few games but played like his ratings.

I am starting to believe a coach with a very good-excellent rating in a position can make sorry players perform better.

[RedKingGold]

I'm a big believer that a quarterback who is rated below 40/40 can be somewhat successful if they have talent in the "right" ratings.

What the "right" ratings are roughly depend on your offensive scheme and surrounding talent.

[Bonegavel]

Yes they can... I had a QB named Harris Kravitz who stepped in for my injuried QB Jon Scott and proceeded to start 9 games for me going 4-5 but the five losts I would put on my defense since he played lights out.

185/304 cmp/att
60.9 pct
2474 yards
23 tds
8 ints
100.9 QB rating

I believe he was rated 30/30 maybe less since he was undrafted. The next season I let him and the other guy battle it out for the starting job and he won so he started the first few games but played like his ratings.

I am starting to believe a coach with a very good-excellent rating in a position can make sorry players perform better.

Those are some damn fine numbers for a 30. How many seasons did Kravitz have under his belt?

Also, how has he faired since?

[Bonegavel]

dola,

I'm running a lot of abbreviated SP games (4-5 detailed, I-handle-everything seasons) where I release McNabb and hand the reins over to a QB that I draft in the first round seeing what a n00b can do with a relatively decent Eagles squad (using Jim's default roster).

With Jim's-roster McNabb I've had the team win the 2006 Super Bowl and they almost always make the playoffs (barring major injuries). Drafting as stud a QB as I can, the team almost always super-tanks in 2007.

One game (my most recent one, btw), however, McNabb went down in the first game of the 2006 season and I signed the best ranked QB (undrafted Rookie) in FA and he finished the season with some decent numbers and I think we even made it to the second round of the playoffs. He was something crappy like 25/45. I should have continued playing him but I went and drafted a "better" QB in the 2007 draft, started the new guy (who is bouncing around now- started 25/53, then went to 24/45, then went to 26/48) and the team has finished 2nd in the NFC East 2 years in a row.

The main rating he has is 100 timing and that doesn't seem help very much.

[Phototropic]

I made the playoffs in 2007-2008 with Jason Campbell and the Skins. He was 26/38 by the end of the year after starting at 19/36.

250/423
59.1%
2,674 yards
13 TDs
13 INTs

I should add that Campbell threw for about 100 yards and a pick in the WC game that we lost 0-16. :)

[AnalBumCover]

36/36 Tommie Marsh took us to the playoffs:

263/389
67.6%
3,439 yds
28 TD
4 INT

After starting off 0-3 I considered benching Marsh midseason. But he then won the next 6 games and solidified his position as our starter. We finished the season 10-6, second in the division behind the league leader (who we eventually lost to in the second round).

In the wild card game, Marsh went - 15/19 134yd, 2TD, 0INT - before succumbing to a groin injury that ended his season.

[Ben E Lou]

Kendall Oxley was rated 39/39 both seasons that he started for me:

2014--325 for 475, 68.4%, 3575 yards, 25 TDs, 14 INTs, 95.7 rating
2015--323 for 468, 69.0%, 3806 yards, 27 Tds, 16 INTs, 98.4 rating

He led us to the playoffs in each of those years, and also started all three playoff games in 2011 due to injury, and compiled a 101.1 rating in those three games. He was never rated higher than 40/40 through his entire career, but finished with a 91.9 QB rating, and 14,000 yards passing.

[Noop]

Those are some damn fine numbers for a 30. How many seasons did Kravitz have under his belt?

Also, how has he faired since?

After he lost the starting job he was traded to another team who cut him. The next season he retired. I feel his success has to do with coaching and the offensive system I run. In fact once I got a stud QB in place throwing for 4500+ with 35+ tds were normal, as well as a 67+ % completion rate.

[Ksyrup]

I can answer this with an "incomplete - shoulda/woulda" answer. In my Lions career, following the 2012 season, I ran into the "franchise death tag" issue - I franchised my stud QB, thinking I would sign him long-term the next year after I shed some salary, and of course, he refused to sign a long-term deal with me. So, I traded him for some picks, none of which I was able to use to find a rookie QB in that draft and was left scrambling to find a decent replacement to pilot a team that had won 3 FOF Bowls in 5 years.

The best FA QB I could find was Charlie Frye, who had been Cleveland's starter from 2006 through 2010, then played sparingly the past 2 seasons. At the time, IIRC, his ratings were 38/42. Through the first 10 games of the 2013 season, he went 199/301 (66.1%) for 2377 yards with 20 TDs and 6 INTs and a QB rating of 103.9. I was stunned. And then he went down with a season-ending serious shoulder injury. With no depth at QB, my team limped into the playoffs and lost in the first round. So, my answer is that Frye indirectly took me to the playoffs as a mediocre at best QB. He just wasn't around to finish off the fairy tale.

The epilogue to the story is that in 2014, I drafted my next stud QB who I immediately started and used Frye as my experienced backup. I'm not sure what the "record" is for biggest decrease in QB rating from one year to the next, but Frye went from a sterling 10-game rating of 103.9 to a stat line a AA shortstop would be ashamed of in the major leagues - 6 mop up appearances, resulting in a 3/25 for 35 yards and 2 INTs stat line...a brilliant 6.3 QB rating. I dumped him the next year and he retired soon thereafter. The other interesting thing is that in 2010, his next best statistical season by a long shot, he had a 94.1 QB rating...in 10 starts, with his season cut short by injury. I guess I should have seen it coming...

[Ben E Lou]

I have one to add to the mix now. Shane Stavrinos, QB of my Home-Grown Empty Cupboard Dynasty Atlanta Falcons (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=55309), just led us to a championship. He put up a 112.2 QB rating in the four postseason games we played.

http://www.younglifenorthdekalb.com/ec/stavrinos.jpg

He showed up BIG-TIME in the Front Office Bowl: 20 for 26, 329 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs. :D

[Ben E Lou]

Oh....his career stats....

http://www.younglifenorthdekalb.com/ec/shaneback.jpg

[MartinD]

In my current dynasty (The 'have to start somewhere' dynasty (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=56051)), I've just guided the Philadelphia Eagles to the playoffs with a 10-6 record despite splitting time at QB between two guys with current ratings in the low 30s (Jeremy Wason (34/56) and Edwin Dunmore (32/32), with Dunmore performing the better of the two).

OK, we lost our last two games of the regular season to miss out on the division title (and potential home field advantage!), then lost in the wild card round (to Dallas, who had our number in the regular season too), but we still made the playoffs, two seasons after going 1-15.

Of course, I wasn't expecting the QB to carry the team - the defence is about as good as I've seen in any version of FOF, and there's a lot of talent around the QB (three 50+ rated receivers, 70-rated TE, 85-rated RB, reasonable O-line...)

Martin