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Maple Leafs
01-29-2007, 03:25 PM
Hopefully this can be a work in progress for those who like to go under the hood on this sort of thing. I've put a few thoughts together but I'm sure there's plenty of room for improvement and would appreciate anyone else's insights.

Not interested in picking up the salary of the following player -- The CPU will not agree to any trade involving this player (is this the case? what if the deal were otherwise lopsided?)

Not interested in trading for somebody you just signed -- The CPU will not trade for this player under any circumstances (even if they expressed high interest on the "shop player" screen).

Not interested in trading away a fan favorite/a player who would cost a lot in future seasons -- I don't believe it's possible to get the CPU to accept a deal for these players, although I could be wrong.

You've made a fair offer and are close to deal. You're opponent is concerned about the effects of losing a player ... -- This message likes to show up (annoyingly) when you're otherwise expecting an accepted offer. Does it mean that the deal is balanced but the CPU would prefer a player from the same position as the player being dealt away? Not sure at all on this one.

Your opponent does not want to trade picks without adding value to the deal -- The CPU has a built-in bias against doing pick-for-pick trades -- perhaps an AI kludge? Adding at least one marginally attractive player will help complete the deal. However, the CPU will eventually accept purely pick-for-pick deal if it's lopsided enough.

In addition, the various "getting close" messages may have standard values...

Extremely close -- In 2K4 this meant that a sixth or seventh round pick needed to be added. In 2K7 it seems higher -- a fifth?

Very close -- In 2K4 this meant that a fifth round pick needed to be added. Not sure yet for 2K7.

Close -- In 2K4 this usually meant a fourth round pick. Not sure yet for 2K7.

Note that this applies to the first offer you make after seeing the message. Each subsequent offer will slightly increase the price of the deal. So for example, you can be "extremely close" to a deal, then make an identical offer and be "very close". This also applies to deals the CPU has accepted that you then decline to confirm -- the CPU may not accept the exact same deal when it's offered again.

Ksyrup
01-29-2007, 03:40 PM
I hate getting the "extremely close" message, adding a draft pick, then getting the "concerned with the effects of losing this player" message.

Maple Leafs
01-29-2007, 04:36 PM
I hate getting the "extremely close" message, adding a draft pick, then getting the "concerned with the effects of losing this player" message.
Definitely. I'd love to figure out what exactly the "concerned" message means since it seems to come out of nowhere.

It's almost as if the AI goes through various steps when evaluating a deal:

Step 1 - determine whether offered players are tradable (check for "not interested in taking on the salary", "someone you just signed", "fan favorite", etc)

Step 2 - determine whether offer is balanced ("close", "very close", "extremely close", etc.,) with bar being raised somewhat on each new offer

Step 3 - evaluate how deal would impact CPU team ("concerned about the effects of losing a player").

Does that sound right to anyone else?

dj_morton
01-29-2007, 04:56 PM
i hate the CPU :)

Maple Leafs
01-30-2007, 10:43 AM
So... no interest in going any further with this?