WW Small Game X - Star Trek & WW! GAME OVER - Federation Wins!

[Abe Sargent]

Hello all and welcome to my small game. This game will be running concurrently with the larger game. I inted to begin by sending out roles on Sunday evening, with the first day to end Monday night.

This game will be based on the Star Trek: The Next Generation Season One episode entitled Conspiracy. A synposis of that episode will follow. This game tries to tell the next chapter in that story. None of the main characters from any show will be in this game.

Rules and roles and whatnot will follow. Because this is a small game, this game will be capped at 16.



The Sign Up List. The final two spots are reserved for new players if any want to play. If none sign up, those spots will be released to the general WW population on Saturday. If more than two players of newness want to play, great! Just because I only have two resevred doesn't mean more can;t play!


DaddyTorgo - Roger Marinelli - Killed Day One. Federation
Tyrith - Xinem - Killed Night One. Federation
saldana - N'reowth
ImTheCrew - Yvette Yarachenko
AlanT - Frer'h
Chief Rum - Jathell
samifan24 - B'Pok - Killed Day Two. Alien Controlled
RendeR - Umbrunda
hoopsguy - James Essex - Killed Night Two. Federation. Bodyguard.

[Abe Sargent]

While journeying to Pacifica, the U.S.S. Enterprise receives an emergency message for Captain Picard from Starfleet Captain Walker Keel, who requests a secret meeting.

At a rendezvous on an uninhabited planet, Captain Keel and two other Starfleet officers tell Picard that they suspect a growing conspiracy in the upper ranks of Starfleet.

Alarmed by Keel's accusations, Picard orders Lieutenant Commander Data to review all Starfleet directives during the past six months. Picard's concern escalates when Keel's vessel mysteriously explodes, killing all aboard, and Data's research reveals abnormalities in the highest levels of the Starfleet command.

Convinced the Federation's security is at risk, Picard steers the Enterprise toward Earth to confront Starfleet's top admirals. After requesting a meeting with the officers, Picard and Riker are invited to dinner to discuss the problem.

Prior to dinner, Admiral Quinn, who several months earlier had warned Picard that subversive elements had invaded Starfleet, visits the U.S.S. Enterprise. Suspicious of the admiral, Picard orders Riker to watch him closely before joining him on Earth. Picard's instincts turn out to be correct: as soon as Picard beams down to join the other admirals, Quinn attacks Riker, rendering him unconscious.

After Lt. Worf and Dr. Crusher join forces to subdue the incredibly powerful Admiral Quinn, they discover that a parasitic being has invaded Quinn's body and it is controlling all of his brain functions. When Riker regains consciousness, he beams down to Earth, pretending to be one of the parasitic-controlled beings.

At the dinner, Riker realizes that the Starfleet command is controlled by the parasites. Fortunately, he and Picard are able to kill the parasitic-infested admirals, as well as the species' mother creature. However, Data later discovers that the mother creature sent a homing beacon to an unexplored region of our galaxy before being destroyed ...

[Abe Sargent]

In werewolf, the goal is based around what side you are aligned with. If you are an antagonist, commenly referred to as a "wolf," then your goal is typically to kill the other side, often referred to as "villagers." As a villager, you want to find and kill all of the wolves.

In this game, we have two factions. One is Starfleet and the other is under the control by a currently unknown alien force.

The game is divided into Day and Night phases. At all times, onc ethe game has begun, you may discuss anything you desire. People under alien control are trying to blend in, while Starfleet will attempt to ferret them out, all with interaction and deduction powers.

Each Day, you as a group may choose to vote to kill someone. This is done by posting in bold, like so:

Vote SkyDog

If you need to devote, then bold your unvote.

If a majority of your (which is the minimum number of players to be one more than half) choose to vote to kill someone, then you will do so, with the intent to hopefully kill someone under alien control.

During the Night, players may have roles which give them certain abilities. Use of these abiliteis requires a pm to be sent to me, typically during the Night in question, although it may be before. When all pms are in, or the deadline hits, the Night is run, and Day begins again.

Days will end, Nights begin at 9:00 pm EST and Nights will end and Days begin at 2:00 am EST or earlier if all pms are received.

That's the rules of WW.

There are a few adjuncts:

1). No personal attacks. You are trying to be Starfleet Officers here, so use some degree of decorum

2). No quoting anything in your pms from me to the general public. You may not quote your pm, nor use any words from it as keywords to try and locates others with the game pm.

3). You may not pm any players in the game about the game, nor may you discuss it over IM, text messages, myspace, another board, phone, real life or two cans attached with a string.

4). Ask as many questions as your heart's desire. Especially if you are new.

[Abe Sargent]

Like normal in one of my games, each person will be assigned a character with a history and a name. Although many of you won't have any actually roles, you will all be assigned a character at random. To recap, the character is your name and backstory, the role is any powers you have.

I'll select roles later. For now, let me post two of the characters, (they aren't all done yet) just to whet your whistle.


B’Pok – You are a Vulcan Adjunct to the Star Fleet Command with a rank of Lieutenant. You are the third of your brothers to have received a commission and work here at Starfleet in a support, advisory and administrative capacity. You are content with your lot in life, and aspire to nothing more. After all, you are in a position with a lot more power than a normal lieutenant would have.

The inspiration for R’Pok is the typical Vulcan officer with their normal desires and abilities.


N’reowth – You are a Caitian Captain (Ret) now serving as an advisor in Starfleet Command. You are the highest ranked Caitian in Starfleet, and as such, you are known and revered among your people. Your claws are still sharp and still able to rend flesh and metal alike with a mighty roar and a swing. Your hair has begun to show your age with grey at the tips, and your eyesight has dimished, requiring optical realignment almost monthly. You once won your races greatest honor, a victory in the Mon Poer, a ritual battle among Caitian males that happens once every Caitian year (which is about 2.2 standard years long).

The inspiration for N’reowth is the character of Lieutenant M’Ress, a Caitian serving on the Enterprise under Kirk, and featured in The Animated Series.


James Essex – You are a human Vice Admiral in the service of Star Fleet Command. You are of Indian descent, and speak with a British accent. You are one of the youngest admirals in Starfleet history, for humans at least. You are renowned for your keen mathematical and logical mind, enabling you to immediately assess the intricacies of everything from battle plans to politics. You have been called cold at times, almost Vulcan-esque. The rumors are true that you once were engaged to a Vulcan woman, but that a story for another time.

The inspiration for Vice Admiral James Essex is a reverse Spock or a reverse Data or a reverse Odo. I wanted a human character that acted more rational and logical instead of a non-human who wanted to be more emotional.



Frer’h – You are an Andorian Rear Admiral. You have spent your entire life in the pursuit of the perfect fight, regularly practicing in phaser combat. You have developed a form of phaser based martial arts for other Andorians that is quite powerful and known throughout the Federation. In addition to your keen understanding of combats and weapons, you are also known as a sufficient military mind. You have issues with administrata, and require numerous aides to help you.

The inspiration for Frer’h are the numerous Andorians you see in the various shows and movies. As such a key Federation race, I felt having one in the game would be nice. I wanted to show off their martial side with this character.


Umbrunda – You are a Nausicaan employed as a bodyguard for Admiral Yarachenko. You were saved and raised as a child by Yarachenko when she was the captain of the USS Nottingham after a Cardassian raid on your home planet. You have total allegiance to Yarachenko, and don’t even wear a Starfleet uniform. In fact, many wonder if you are even in Starfleet.

It seems like every Star Trek show has an unusual and unique character, and I wanted a couple here. The more unusual characters would almost assuredly wind up in Starfleet Command, so this is no stretch. Note that no canon Nausicaan has ever been named, so I went with an African nomenclature to be different.


Yvette Yarachenko – You are the Fleet Admiral of Starfleet. You are the highest commanding officer in Starfleet, and answer only to the Federation Council. You are an older woman of Ukrainian descent. Despite your increasing age, you stand tall with fire and steel glinting in your eyes. You inspire command and devotion in equal measures.

I wanted a very Picard-esque Fleet Admiral. Having a Ukrainian was a nice homage to a Russian Pavel Chekov.


Xinem – You are a Captain Edosian in the service of Starfleet. Your race has three arms and legs, and a frame with radial symmetry instead of vertical symmetry. You have served as members of the Federation for over a hundred years. Your species is clever, and you have developed a reputation for being a trickster, both on the battlefield and in your personal life. You regularly out-think your opponents, and have come to rely on your quick wits, rarely preparing ahead of time. This inability is seen by your superiors as a flaw, and although it has rarely hurt you or your crew, it has kept you from promotion. You are currently assigned to Starfleet Headquarters to advise in formulating a battle strategy against a new Tholian incursion.

I wanted an Edosian in honor of Lieutenant Arex, an Edosian who served under Kirk on The Animated Series. Edosians have since been canonized in later shows when their home planet has been referred to. (Such as Dr. Flox’s Edsian Slugs in Enterprise)


Jathell – You are one of The Children of Tama, often referred to by others in Starfleet as a Tarmarian. You hold the rank of Vice Admiral. When the Tamarians accepted membership in the Federation 12 years ago, many of their military were annexed immediately into Starfleet. You held the rank of Commander–in-Chief of The Children of Tama then, and you were given the position of Vice Admiral in Starfleet. Communication with the Federation is still difficult on occasion, but as Runon and Elega did at Simbor, so to must your people do now.

This character is based on the Tamarians as introduced in the Star Trek: TNG episode “Darmok.” Many people, including myself, feel that this was one of the strongest episodes in the series as Picard and Darmok try to understand each other, and eventually Picard figures it out. The Children of Tama speak in metaphors to their myths and legends.


Roger Marinelli – You are a political officer from the Federation Council detached to Starfleet as a liason. You have an intimate knowledge of Starfleet. After all, you were born during the Battle of Wolf 359 when you mother went into a very premature birth after wounds and stress sustained by the Borg attack. You barely survived, both because of your early delivery and because of the situation surrounding your birth. You entered the political side of the Federation and hope to avoid battle even as an adjunct to Starfleet. You are proud of your Italian heritage.


This character is based loosely on Chekov. I wanted someone with their own heritage, and I asked myself what major areas were left. I realized that Italians have never really had a respresentative on Star Trek of a main character, at least not one willing to really indulge their past. As such, I created Roger, but wanted someone in the group who wasn’t ready to fight and blast away at the drop of a hat.



Note on canonicity: This story is taking place roughly 30 years or so after the events known to us in the ST canon, when the aliens arrive again. As such, I get to morph a few things in the Federation and Starfleet that have changed in that time. Also, where possible, I have tried to create characters and situations that are consistent with the ST canon, but they may conflict with the billion novels, comics, and whatnot that is out there. If so, sorry, but its my game ;)

[Abe Sargent]

The Roles:

In this game, there are three possible roles that you might receive:


Bodyguard: During each Night Phase, pm me with the person you would like to protect. You may protect yourself. You may protect a person as many Nights in a row as you like. If the alien controlled people try to target that person, you will block and kill the aliens.

Seer: During each Night Phase, pm me with the person you would like to scan. At the end of the night action, I will pm you and tell you whether that person scanned as a normal member of their race, or if they have an alein bug inside them.

Alien Controlled: Each Night, one member of the Alien Controlled faction will need to pm me the person they would like to kill. At the end of the Night Phase, I will post a general information post in this thread. If someone is successfully killed, you will discover it here. If you are caught and killed by the bodyguard, you will also find out then. (It's rather bloody after all) Alien Controlled players win once they have the same number of alien controlled people as Starfleet.

Obviously, Starfleet wins when all Aliens have been killed and accounted for.


Please note that missed Night Actions will result in you taking no action.

[Abe Sargent]

The Sign Up List. The final two spots are reserved for new players if any want to play. If none sign up, those spots will be released to the general WW population on Saturday. If more than two players of newness want to play, great! Just because I only have two resevred doesn't mean more can;t play!


DaddyTorgo - Roger Marinelli - Killed Day One. Federation
Tyrith - Xinem
saldana - N'reowth
ImTheCrew - Yvette Yarachenko
AlanT - Frer'h
Chief Rum - Jathell
samifan24 - B'Pok
RendeR - Umbrunda
hoopsguy - James Essex

[Abe Sargent]

The story until now:



Sixteen days ago the USS Perseus was exploring deep past traditional Federation boundaries when they intercepted a message from the Novarh’h, a Klingon vessel. It’s not that usual to hear a distress call from the Klingons, so Captain Juan Sanchez moved the Perseus to intercept. As they arrived, they saw the USS Relentless send a salvo of quantum torpedoes into the hull of the Novarh’h, seconds before the Klingon vessel exploded in a soundless fury of light.

Captain Sanchez immediately open communications with Captain Anderson of the Relentless. She claimed that the Klingons were covert operatives on a spy mission against the Federation. This did not stick well with Sanchez, who wondered why they would be spying so far away from Fed Space.

Nicole Anderson sent an official invite to Sanchez to join her for dinner aboard the Relentless. Unbeknowingst to her, Sanchez had a crew-member with a Betazoid wife. She was able to read deception in Captain Anderson’s thoughts and Sanchez decided to go to the ship but was prepared. A psionic link was established between himself at the Betazoid, supported by a Vulcan Archeologist Officer on the ship.

Aboard the Relentless, Sanchez and his head of security arrived and were escorted out of the transporter room between two security guards, with two more almost out of sight, but never quite so. As the company moved toward the galley, suddenly two doors opened on each side of the hallway, revealing several security officers. Sanchez was pulled into one room while his security chief was pulled into the other.

In Sanchez’s room, Anderson is waiting a table with an unidentified box. He is held down by two security men who appear to be rather strong while Anderson related the story of who she was. Apparently, an alien race has arrived, to be the vanguard of a new, symbiotic relationship, but the preparations that were supposed to have been made were not, as the aliens were discovered and killed shortly after sending out a message. As such, new preparations need to be made, but quickly, as the main forces have just arrived in this section of the galaxy.

Anderson opens the box, and reveals a small, alien looking creature. It’s large for an insect but small for an intelligent alien. It scurries off the table and onto Sanchez’s legs. He does everything he can’t to evade it, but the two security officers holding him down have incredible strength.

Just before psychic contact is eliminated, the Betazoid can feel the malevolence from the new entity. She can also feel that soon many people from the Relentless will be arriving with Sanchez at their lead, taking over the crew here.

She recommends that the only course of action is to destroy the Relentless now, before they learn that the crew of the Perseus is aware of their new affiliation. After careful consideration, Lieutenant Commander Voneel, a Denobulan, orders the attack on the Relentless, but only to incapacitate her engines.

Unfortunately, the Relentless is able to sense the powering weapons before they fire, and the quick hands of a minor officer at the conn are able to raise the shields just before the otherwise crippling attack is launched. Battle ensues between the two starships, until the Perseus is able to drive a single torpedo through the shields and Ablative Armor and into the Relentless’s virtual spine, or backbone.

As the Relentless breaks up, a communications officer aboard the Perseus reports that they are received some sort of chitter over the communications frequency. It doesn’t take the Perseus’s highly motivated crew much time in order to sort out that the chitter was another signal to these aliens. They appear to be close by, maybe half a day by high warp. After careful consideration, Lieutenant Commander Voneel decides to return to Starfleet to warn them of this threat.

Yesterday the Perseus arrived at Sector 001, over a year before it was due back to report on its findings. A closed assembly was called to hear their evidence, immediately after they arrive. As the ship soars into Earth’s orbit and approaches the stations, the Earth’s defense grid suddenly tracks it and fires on the vessel, as if it were a hostile craft.

Several hours later, the official word from Starfleet is that a computer mishap caused the defense grid to fire on the Perseus. However, the top brass know that it appears that these aliens have not just infiltrated the Relentless, but have begun to lay a foundation even here.

Based on the information in the records and what the Perseus had dared to send over subspace, this is a threat most dire. The emergency session that was called was delayed until today for the wreckage to be scoured for evidence, additional diagnostics to be run of the station computers, and research to be done on the originating event here on this very station around forty-one years prior.

You are now ready to begin investigating to find who among you is under alien control.

[Barkeep49]

Season one? I don't think I can play as I wouldn't want to be in that uniform. Either that or I don't want to take the place of someone who isn't in the large game. One of those two. Probably the uniforms.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh for the love of the sisko...i'm in

[DaddyTorgo]

woot...nice...the icky brain-bugs...good call for an episode to base a WW game off of

[Abe Sargent]

woot...nice...the icky brain-bugs...good call for an episode to base a WW game off of

Thanks. I personally feel it is one of the easist ways to translate ST into WW, so I figured we should try it out.

[Tyrith]

Argh. I can't...not...sign up...

FINE. Even if the timing isn't really great :P

[Abe Sargent]

Argh. I can't...not...sign up...

FINE. Even if the timing isn't really great :P

You decide to speak in Shatner?

[Tyrith]

No, more like the artifical gravity is turned up way too high.

[Narcizo]

I'm very tempted but I don't think I have the time unless I'm killed in the big game.

I have to say that I disliked the episode. I think it was a cop out that it turned out to be an alien parasite making the upper echelons of the federation bad - it would have been far more effective if they had just, you know, turned out to be corrupt. And the way Picard dodged the phaser shot was just silly.

Yes I'm a ST nerd. Which is why I'm very tempted.

[samifan24]

I've never done one of these before but why not, make it so!

[Abe Sargent]

I've never done one of these before but why not, make it so!

Welcome!

[samifan24]

I think it was a cop out that it turned out to be an alien parasite making the upper echelons of the federation bad - it would have been far more effective if they had just, you know, turned out to be corrupt.

While DS9 never made Starfleet as a whole "look bad," some of its best episodes questioned the typically altruistic nature of Starfleet of the TNG and early DS9 era. Witness episodes like "In the Pale Moonlight," "For the Cause" and "The Siege of AR-558" as evidence of the changing view of the Federation as a whole. I'm reminded of Eddington's speech to Sisko at the end of "For the Cause:"

"I know you. I was like you once, but then I opened my eyes. Open your eyes, Captain. Why is the Federation so obsessed with the Maquis? We've never harmed you. And yet we're constantly arrested and charged with terrorism. Starships chase us through the Badlands and our supporters are harassed and ridiculed. Why? Because we've left the Federation, and that's the one thing you can't accept. Nobody leaves paradise. Everyone should want to be in the Federation. Hell, you even want the Cardassians to join. You're only sending them replicators because one day they can take their "rightful place" on the Federation Council. You know In some ways you're even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious. You assimilate people and they don't even know it."

[RendeR]

Room for another newbie? I'll finally bite and join up.

[Abe Sargent]

Totally!!!

[saldana]

no way i can not play this game

in

[saldana]

hey abe, can i be lieutenant yar's bathroom mirror?

[Abe Sargent]

hey abe, can i be lieutenant yar's bathroom mirror?

Heya buddy! No, but if I did have a shapechanger from the Dominion (I don't) I would've made sure you were one. Of course, I wouldn;t promise that if I did have one in the game :)

[ImTheCrew]

in

[Chief Rum]

I want to play, but it could be hard. Next week is difficult for me with work (they scheduled me three morning shifts at my day job instead of the usual two), and I am still in the Rome game (which is very complicated). I will hold off on a decision until later in the weekend.

[hoopsguy]

Anxiety, please list me as an alternate. I'm not a Star Trek fan, so I didn't want to keep people who have been pining for this theme from playing. However, if there are spots open and it helps you with game balance then please add me to the list. Thanks.

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, please list me as an alternate. I'm not a Star Trek fan, so I didn't want to keep people who have been pining for this theme from playing. However, if there are spots open and it helps you with game balance then please add me to the list. Thanks.

COnsider it done

[Chief Rum]

Go ahead and put me in.

[Abe Sargent]

All characters have been listed. If a few moments, I will randomly assign each player a character. After completing that, I will randomly assign each player a role. Once I post that I am finished, the day will begin and end tomorrow at 9:00 pm EST.

Are you expected to role-play you rcharacter? No, its just there for flavor. Please note that any character can be the bodyguard, the seer or the aliens.

[Abe Sargent]

All roles have been sent. This game has now begun. The ending times and whether we are on Day or Night is in the thread title.

[Abe Sargent]

Excited RendeR?

[RendeR]

Moscha non prada "staor-flaet". Ocha imrpu da noga.

[DaddyTorgo]

checkin in. Got a PM. Dunno what's up with it.

[saldana]

captain n'rewoth checking in...no creepy bug things sticking out from under my fur.

[DaddyTorgo]

CR...you wanna trade characters with me? I'm an accomplished Tamarian-speaker and I think that'd be hella fun

[saldana]

cant belive there are only 9 people playing

[DaddyTorgo]

cant belive there are only 9 people playing

prolly due to the fact that like 80 people are still alive in rome

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, Rome is going on and on. I'm starting to get weary of it myself.

[RendeR]

Just from reading some of these threads I can see where a high number of players could make a game drag unmercifully.

[saldana]

prolly due to the fact that like 80 people are still alive in rome

a problem i dont have courtesy of my new first day standing vote. CW.

[hoopsguy]

Heh - well I'm free from the shackles of Rome as well. But I'm going to have a hard time following along with posts like the one from Render. Hopefully someone can point me towards a translator.

Although I've played about 20-25 games of Werewolf here, this is my first small game. Hopefully we can all be nice and conversational from the outset since we don't have all that much room for error.

9 players - guessing 2 wolves and maybe an ally role (sorceror type)?

[ImTheCrew]

Checking in, no alien here

[samifan24]

In before the aliens go crazy and start killing everybody.

[hoopsguy]

hoopsguy - James Essex

The inspiration for Vice Admiral James Essex is a reverse Spock or a reverse Data or a reverse Odo. I wanted a human character that acted more rational and logical instead of a non-human who wanted to be more emotional.

I think I can make this work.

[Alan T]

Just a note, I don't know much about Star Trek either, but am willing to do what I can to help starfleet win.

[RendeR]

In before the aliens go crazy and start killing everybody.


Whosa choda himdo, soo khama-Vulca?

Who you are alien calling an "alien", Puny-Vulcan?

[Chief Rum]

CR...you wanna trade characters with me? I'm an accomplished Tamarian-speaker and I think that'd be hella fun

If Anxiety wants us to do that, I'm down. If not, you will have to suffer reading along as I try to metaphor my way through this game, much like the legendary Ni'lor Prince of Prexus when he had to challenge the Ancient Three.

[saldana]

i have a better idea...how about we all turn our universal translators on, and everyone posts in English? :D

[saldana]

so if the start is 7 to 2 Feds, with a shot at a conversion sometime for the aliens, odds for a day one hit are actually better than average for us to get a bad guy today.

[Abe Sargent]

If Anxiety wants us to do that, I'm down. If not, you will have to suffer reading along as I try to metaphor my way through this game, much like the legendary Ni'lor Prince of Prexus when he had to challenge the Ancient Three.

No trading characters

[RendeR]

i have a better idea...how about we all turn our universal translators on, and everyone posts in English? :D

Noofi ghana for-pa, Caitians. Theyna impru a-tuni.

"Too much thinking for Caitians. They're brains are puny"

[DaddyTorgo]

strangely enough...i think RendeR is likely innocent. Otherwise being as...out-there as he is would really be a gutsy play for an alien. So I don't think my random-D1 vote will be on him.

[Abe Sargent]

No trading characters

I should have said no swapping characters. As it is, it sorta of reads like I'm banning merchants.

[Alan T]

Busy day for me with work, taxes, etc. I doubt I'll be around a ton today (or tommorrow for that matter). Since its day 1 with no day 0 and no one knows anything about anyone I'll pick my day 1 with as much limited ability I have.

Vote DaddyTorgo

For the whole idea that only bad guys know who are bad vs good to start, and making a statement that they think someone is innocent or guilty for trying to get into character smells a whole lot like a bad guy knowing a good guy is good so stating as much with flimsy evidence. (which is about as absurd as this vote is, but alas its day 1!)

[DaddyTorgo]

I think he's innocent cuz if he's not he's drawing an awful lot of attention to himself for D1 of a very small game

[ImTheCrew]

using random.org i got....

VOTE SALDANA

[hoopsguy]

My preference would be to avoid voting for either RendeR or Sami since it is Day 1 of their first game and that just seems impolite. But in a small game I don't think I can extend courtesy past one day, and obviously reserve the right to vote for them today if they do something that registers as suspicious.

[saldana]

Noofi ghana for-pa, Caitians. Theyna impru a-tuni.

"Too much thinking for Caitians. They're brains are puny"

my claws are not. a fact you may become intimately familiar with should you chose in insult me again

[saldana]

and since he voted for me, i will simply return the favor in day one fashion

vote imthecrew

[Chief Rum]

Like Jesse in Saved By The Bell, there's just not enough time for me to offer reasoned thinking and voting right now (thank you, Rome).

I'm afriad I'm going to have to drop the stereotypical suspicious, random Day One dreiveby vote.

So, I'll VOTE HOOPSGUY

It's not natural for humans to not be emotional.

[samifan24]

Whosa choda himdo, soo khama-Vulca?

Who you are alien calling an "alien", Puny-Vulcan?

I was merely stating that the presence of the aliens in Starfleet Command means that they intend to cause harm to the Federation and Starfleet itself. No one can be trusted, not even you. You would be wise not to jump to conclusions, Nausicaan.

[samifan24]

I will vote Tyrith because logic dictates it. An alien is unlikely to infiltrate Starfleet Command with a human host since Captain Picard and others already detected their presence once. If the aliens are logical, they would use a different species, like an Edosian, for example.

[hoopsguy]

Five votes collected so far, for five different individuals. This is clearly not the way to build consensus.

I would offer that the way to extract the most value from our votes is to identify two candidates to run off against each other. Our hope is that we are able to collect at least one enemy in that list of two people. Then have people cast their votes between those two individuals. It may not result in success today, but has a greater percentage of producing meaningful results than randomly voting for unique individuals - nine votes for seven people, for example.

I realize in presenting this plan that I may be one of the two candidates determined by the group. So be it - if I am to die I would prefer it be a death imbued with meaning rather than God playing dice.

I'll hold off on my vote for now to see if there is further discussion on this topic. I don't think I'm encouraging free thinking among our group if I both suggest a plan of attack and the two candidates. We have a collective decision to make today, so hopefully all are willing to participate.

[RendeR]

and since he voted for me, i will simply return the favor in day one fashion

vote imthecrew


HOTA!! Non-Greitu ma Verchenko!! HOTA! HOTA-AH!

COWARD!! How dare you insult she-who-is-beyond-suspicion, The Admiral: Verchenko is above such malice, I will rip your fluka out through your air-holes pussy-cat, if you ever say such things again! Coward! Coward-Scum!


Vote Saldana


;)

[RendeR]

DOLA: Just for clarity for those not familiar with naussicans, they are a race of warriors, more adept at starting fights than carrying on conversations. They pride themselves on bettering others through insult, which they hope, might lead to physical conflict. They are very quick to anger and very arrogant.

[samifan24]

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Nausicaan

[hoopsguy]

Guys, if push comes to shove I'll put out a pseudo-random vote. However, I do not feel that serves us best in the long run when it comes to identifying and eliminating our common foe. Up to this point I have seen no comments acknowledging my proposed plan - either agreeing with the merits or refuting my logic.

So - how should we proceed?

[Alan T]

Guys, if push comes to shove I'll put out a pseudo-random vote. However, I do not feel that serves us best in the long run when it comes to identifying and eliminating our common foe. Up to this point I have seen no comments acknowledging my proposed plan - either agreeing with the merits or refuting my logic.

So - how should we proceed?


Your plan sounds good. Saldana has 2 votes right now, so just vote for one of the others who has a vote already and its 2-2 tie. Of course you'll be seen as trying to save Saldana if he is bad, but hey thats the fun of day 1.

[saldana]

out of self preservation at this point
unvote imthecrew
vote daddy torgo


and naussican, perhaps you should rethink who your threats are levied against, as i am far from afraid of you....continue to push me, and slightly aged i may be, i will defend my honor.

[Tyrith]

I'll start a race. Because I don't believe in preparing ahead of time, I've only now read this thread. However, it seems like we're having the typical day 1 problem. Screw that! It's not going to get us anywhere. Even if this gets me killed tomorrow, it is to the betterment of the entire Federation if someone makes a stand here -- and I have THREE WHOLE LEGS to stand on!

Saldana amuses me more than DT, so I'll take his side for now.

VOTE DT

[DaddyTorgo]

oyyy. Just from what I see, that's 3 on me. Lemme go back and read, but it appears my vote will be self-preservation

oh...and if I die...f-you all very much for D1 killing me in a theme game that I am so passionate about. I am quite possibly the board's biggest Trekker.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE SALDANA

self-preservation only

[hoopsguy]

DaddyT - I think there are a few big Star Trek fans in this game so I can't really let that enter my thinking. Have to get a vote in before leaving work this evening so I'm going to do a quick review of posts between you guys and make a decision.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh I know. And honestly I have no fear of dying. I'm just a plain vanilla villager. But i'd look at the pile on me, you're sure to get one wolf in there (prolly in votes 2-4), and likely one avoiding me as well.

[hoopsguy]

DaddyTorgo, beyond your obvious affection for your livelihood, do you have a compelling reason why we would not investigate you this evening instead of Saldana? I'm not going to have the opportunity to be here at the deadline to change my vote, so I'll ask now.

[hoopsguy]

OK, I'm out of time. No idea if this is the right vote or not, but I'm not willing to risk losing a key role instead of a "vanilla villager", whatever that means in Star Trek terms.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[saldana]

oh...and if I die...f-you all very much for D1 killing me in a theme game that I am so passionate about. I am quite possibly the board's biggest Trekker.

this is kind of funny to me, considering i also am a huge trekker....how many conventions have you been too?

[DaddyTorgo]

this is kind of funny to me, considering i also am a huge trekker....how many conventions have you been too?

conventions...hmmm...3-4 I think? I've got all of TNG+DS9 on dvd, I have autographed pictures of all of the crews (yes...nimoy+shatner included) up until the Enterprise crew.

I'm all bout the Trek man.

[DaddyTorgo]

you have a point though hoops. Off me...it's fine. Just make sure that you all look at who voted for me, like I said. somewhere in there (prolly votes 2-4) is a wolf, and your other wolf likely laid off me.

[saldana]

conventions...hmmm...3-4 I think? I've got all of TNG+DS9 on dvd, I have autographed pictures of all of the crews (yes...nimoy+shatner included) up until the Enterprise crew.

I'm all bout the Trek man.


ok, i only have takei and koenig from tos...when i saw deforest kelley, his hands were to arthritic to sign...and only 2 cons, so i guess you win this round of dork wars

[DaddyTorgo]

ok, i only have takei and koenig from tos...when i saw deforest kelley, his hands were to arthritic to sign...and only 2 cons, so i guess you win this round of dork wars

actually I don't have anyone beyond nimoy+shatner from TOS. but I have everyone from TNG+DS9+VOY

not all obtained AT cons of course
I used to have a pair of klingon mek'leths but I lost them somewhere.

[DaddyTorgo]

double-dola

good look Starfleet!

[DaddyTorgo]

wow

look=luck

[Abe Sargent]

Im in the middle of a 35 minute fire alarm here in my res halls. I'm in my office with a few minutes to post this. The Day has ended, obviously, and i'll run it in a little bit when I get a chance. meanwhile, i will be accepting night actions from all roles.

[Abe Sargent]

The day seems to drag on for many hours longer than a standard Earth day. You gather about as the powers that be.

The first item to be discussed is whether or not you can tell if the aliens are in their hosts. According to data in the secret files from when the Federation first encountered these creatures, they have appendages which stick out from the necks of their victims. Some believe this is so they can breathe although this was never confirmed.

The first thing you do is check the backs of each of your necks. Unfortunately, no one has any visible signs of additional aliens in them.

It appears that these creature have adapted. Time is running out. You don’t have much time. Initial medical scans appear to be inconclusive.

Then one of you points out the obvious way to determine if someone is to kill them. The alien will then leave the host. It seems a bit grim, but then you note additional acts of sabotage were committed during the day before this hearing convened. How many more lives will die because you didn’t have the stomach to do what needed to be done?

You each grab a phaser and begin to vote.

Your eyes eventually rest of Roger Marinelli. He sees the combined look of commitment in your eyes and realizes his impending death. Within seconds, he dies as several combined beams of energy tear into his body.

Unfortunately, no aliens emerge from his remains. He was apparently aligned with the Federation.

[Abe Sargent]

Day One has ended. Night one has begun and will end at 2:00 am EST Tuesday morning.

[DaddyTorgo]

bah. GO TEAM STARFLEET!!!

[ImTheCrew]

WOW, sorry DT

[ImTheCrew]

Allright ill be looking at who voted for DT

Saldana (#69)
HoopsGuy (#76)
Tyrith (#70)
Alan T(#54)

[hoopsguy]

That works great if we were lucky enough to have a creature vs. Starfleet showdown today, ImTheCrew.

[saldana]

That works great if we were lucky enough to have a creature vs. Starfleet showdown today, ImTheCrew.

however, seeing as today was, as so many day ones are, a starfleet vs starfleet showdown, i am thinking about the people that left their votes on the spurious candidates for my vote tomorrow.

[Alan T]

however, seeing as today was, as so many day ones are, a starfleet vs starfleet showdown, i am thinking about the people that left their votes on the spurious candidates for my vote tomorrow.

I was thinking something similar, but not entirely the same.

Daddytorgo - Alan, saldana, Tyrith, hoopsguy
Saldana - Imthecrew, render, Daddytorgo
Hoopsguy - chief
Tyrith - samifan

Im thinking odds are we had 1 wolf on DaddyTorgo and 1 wolf not. For now I'll assume your vote was entirely self preservation Saldana, so that makes group #1 suspicious to me: Tyrith, Hoopsguy, and then Group #2 suspicious to me: Imthecrew, Render, Chief and Samifan.

Out of group 2, I know Chief left before anything really developed, Render and Samifan are in their first games so leaning towards Imthecrew there. In group #1, I am giving the edge to Hoops who kept talking about creating a race and trying to egg someone else to do so when he had the opportunity to himself (ie: put his action where his words were), but chose not to until later after others had made the move.

Of course, I'll likely completely change my mind again by the morning.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, let's see what the night brings before going too far down this path. For now, I accept responsibility for what turned out to be a bad vote today.

[Abe Sargent]

Before the night shift is over, you get a chirp over the communication system. It doesn’t wake you. You were unable to sleep.

A communications officer tells you that something went wrong on a Holodeck. You gather yourself up and head over to the Holodeck.

You find that one of your members, Xinem, was running a program designed to relieve his stress where he balances carefully on spires of granite and feldspar that loom hundreds of meters into the air. This is considered meditation for the Edosians.

However, someone with a security code managed to remove the safety protocols from the holodeck and then added gale force winds to the simulation. Thus, when the winds hit Xinem, they sent his body crashing into the walls of the holodeck and killed him on impact. Edosian bodies are not meant for such stress.

Tyrith has died. He was affiliated with the Federation.


Night One has ended. Day Two has begun and will end at 9 pm EST Tuesday evening.

[Chief Rum]

actually I don't have anyone beyond nimoy+shatner from TOS. but I have everyone from TNG+DS9+VOY

not all obtained AT cons of course
I used to have a pair of klingon mek'leths but I lost them somewhere.

Am I the only one who read the bolded line and immediately pictured a scenario involving a pen in one hand and a gun in the other at some Star Trek star's front door?

[saldana]

alan....i also thought hoops was a little odd yesterday in calling for a runoff and then not voting himself until later. also the fact that i am alive today makes me highly suspicious of him

my next thought went to samifan....he is the perfect wolf right now...none of us would vote for him yesterday because it is his first game, but we really dont have the luxury of letting him be UTR for long in this, or we will all be dead. a toss in vote on a 3rd party and very few posts (yes i realize that everyone has very few posts in this game) are everything a UTR wolf could ask for....if he is teamed up with a vet wolf like hoops or you, he is very dangerous.

last suspect is imthecrew, for the simple reason that render is playing his role very very well, and has been from GO. ITC knows that render will follow him where ever he goes, so for him to "randomly" start a run on me yesterday pretty much guaranteed it would be 2 votes on me.

all that said, i think i am going with samifan today.

[hoopsguy]

Well, in asking for a runoff I was giving people the opportunity to put me in it. I didn't think it was right for me to suggest the plan and then determine the candidates - just doesn't seem like much of a team approach. I wasn't trying to grab the game by the throat and dictate terms.

There also was an issue with time on the site - I wasn't around all that much in the late afternoon/early evening.

I appreciate that people are asking questions about this because it indicates they are trying to make sense of the events that we've seen so far. I would ask that you try to be equally critical of others among us, because you aren't going to find any alien presence in me.

[DaddyTorgo]

Am I the only one who read the bolded line and immediately pictured a scenario involving a pen in one hand and a gun in the other at some Star Trek star's front door?

reputable autograph dealers actually. and i would never hold a gun to one of the Trek actors. They meant too much to my teenage years. Hell my friend and I used to have hours-long discussions about the state of the franchise and ways to fix it (particularly in the middle-to-late Voyager years).

Hell, I still am pissed @ Berman for pushing Piller out. As much as Berman was GR's heir-apparent, Piller had all the greatest ideas.

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

not to mention (in 7th grade) the fact that we covered the floor of his parent's living room with lego-creations and created a whole ST-universe with ships (he had ds9 but i had the enterprise...built entirely of legos) and immersed ourselves in that...4-5 hours a day for months and months on end

yeahhh...i'm a confirmed trek-geek

[Tyrith]

dola

not to mention (in 7th grade) the fact that we covered the floor of his parent's living room with lego-creations and created a whole ST-universe with ships (he had ds9 but i had the enterprise...built entirely of legos) and immersed ourselves in that...4-5 hours a day for months and months on end

yeahhh...i'm a confirmed trek-geek

All the actual Star Trek geeks are getting killed before everyone else :(

[hoopsguy]

OK, so we are down to seven people at this point - does anyone think there are less than two bad guys out there?

I'm coming at this as a newcomer to small-game play, but with some experience in end-game play. What do people think about putting some cards out on the table right now in terms of our roles? If the seer and the bodyguard are still out there then that only leaves five spots for 2+ bad guys to hide behind. If the seer scanned someone who is still alive, that potentially takes another hiding place away. The bodyguard locks up the seer for tonight, ensuring an even better vote tomorrow.

I'm not normally one to push for role reveals this early in the game, but with the small game format I think it might make sense for us to open up sooner rather than later.

[Alan T]

OK, so we are down to seven people at this point - does anyone think there are less than two bad guys out there?

I'm coming at this as a newcomer to small-game play, but with some experience in end-game play. What do people think about putting some cards out on the table right now in terms of our roles? If the seer and the bodyguard are still out there then that only leaves five spots for 2+ bad guys to hide behind. If the seer scanned someone who is still alive, that potentially takes another hiding place away. The bodyguard locks up the seer for tonight, ensuring an even better vote tomorrow.

I'm not normally one to push for role reveals this early in the game, but with the small game format I think it might make sense for us to open up sooner rather than later.

Well you are correct that in small games they can usually be lost really quickly. I doubt there are less than 2 bad guys in the game, a game with 1 bad guy can end after 1 day with some bad luck for the bad guys, so minimum I have to imagine there being a second wolf. With only 9 total players, I don't see the wolves having much beyond those two though in the way of sympathizers, conversion or anything else fancy. So I agree that 5 Good guys - 2 Bad guys is what we are looking at here.

My first instinct when I read your post was distrust in trying to figure out why you want everyone to reveal right now, it would only tell the bad guys who to pick off.. but then I thought about it further...

You are right if the seer + bodyguard reveal, then you have 2 known good guys, 3 unknown good guys, 2 unknown bad guys. You also reduce any possibility of the seer or bodyguard accidentally being lynched today. So worst case you would have (assuming the seer scanned either tyrith or the bodyguard and it gives you no more known good guys):

Today lynching good guy : 2 known good guys, 2 unknown good guys, 2 unknown bad guys.

Tonight bad guys kill bodyguard: 1 known good guys, 2 unknown good guys, 2 unknown bad guys

Tonight seer scans another good guy: 2 known good guys, 1 unknown good guy, 2 unknown bad guys.

Tommorrow accidentally lynch another good guy: 2 known good guys, 2 unknown bad guys (Bad guys win here)..

so thats the worst case scenerio with no breaks at all. Since its possible one of the newer players is the bodyguard or seer, what I would do is if you are the bodyguard, leave this plan up to the seer to do or not. If I am the seer, and i have another trusted person, I would consider it and hope i didn't scan the bodyguard. If we can have 3 cleared good guys today, it would be really hard to lose by following hoops' plan.

If the Seer scanned tyrith last night though it could end up bad at the end, but that is with all bad breaks.

[hoopsguy]

Agreed, and the seer could have been Tyrith (or DT, but why wouldn't he have given up that info pre-lynch?) which would make this plan less than optimal. The death information so far just lists FEDERATION but not the specific role.

Like I mentioned earlier, this is not my usual Day 2 strategy, but it is my first small game and I'm trying to adapt. With seven left, the reveal strategy - as initiated by the seer - seems logical to me.

[ImTheCrew]

my next thought went to samifan....he is the perfect wolf right now...none of us would vote for him yesterday because it is his first game, but we really dont have the luxury of letting him be UTR for long in this, or we will all be dead. a toss in vote on a 3rd party and very few posts (yes i realize that everyone has very few posts in this game) are everything a UTR wolf could ask for....if he is teamed up with a vet wolf like hoops or you, he is very dangerous.

.

i agree here Samifan is very UTR and makes for a good wolf....
so ill

VOTE SAMIFAN

[ImTheCrew]

dola- saldana if samifan is the one killed and he turns out to be a wolf then you are very high on my trust list otherwise your'e next on my list

[RendeR]

Esta snofa, imeerasa no breka. Puuto es Bodygurad un Dupu?

There is one litle snag with your plans. What if the bodyguard is dead?

[Alan T]

Esta snofa, imeerasa no breka. Puuto es Bodygurad un Dupu?

There is one litle snag with your plans. What if the bodyguard is dead?

Well standard practice is unless said otherwise, roles are revealed upon death. I didn't see anything in this game that said roles are not revealed upon death so assume if the bodyguard was dead we would know it.

I guess just to make sure, Anxiety, are roles revealed upon death?

[hoopsguy]

Agreed that the plan runs into a challenge if either of our key roles have been eliminated. But any plan of action has elements of risk that must be acknowledged and addressed accordingly. I'm certainly open to alternate strategies if a higher likelihood of success can be demonstrated.

[Chief Rum]

Rome is impacting my play here (along with a nightmarish work schedule at the moment). I haven't been able to concentrate yet on the game too much.

I hate to accept something on other's reasoning without considering it much myself, but I am short on time right now. I'm hoping to get more involved after today (if I live).

So I will...

VOTE SAMIFAN

Out until tonight. Good luck everyone.

[RendeR]

Ahh, I didn't realize that roles got revealed upon elimination.

Just a personal thought, but why WOULD you reveal them? seems to me it makes teh game more challenging if the secrets die with the character?

Just my nickel.

[Alan T]

Ahh, I didn't realize that roles got revealed upon elimination.

Just a personal thought, but why WOULD you reveal them? seems to me it makes teh game more challenging if the secrets die with the character?

Just my nickel.

Well the game is designed to be balanced with the role reveals on death. Some games choose to not have them in order to tip the odds to the bad guys moreso, but from my experience games without role reveals are often very frustrating to try to put together information in and aren't done too terribly often.

[hoopsguy]

If you reveal the role before dying (hey, don't kill me, I'm the seer!) then you have a better chance of helping the team. People might move votes away from you to another candidate, allowing you a chance to complete at least one scan.

Of course, an enemy might "fake reveal" to buy themselves another day or two. This often happens later in the day, with the hope that the person holding that role is not around to counter it before deadline.

[Abe Sargent]

Well standard practice is unless said otherwise, roles are revealed upon death. I didn't see anything in this game that said roles are not revealed upon death so assume if the bodyguard was dead we would know it.

I guess just to make sure, Anxiety, are roles revealed upon death?

Yes

[Alan T]

Yes

Thanks Anxiety..

So then my earlier point remains.. I think we should leave it up to the seer to come out or not based on what they found. If they scanned Tyrith last night, then perhaps its not a great play to come out odds wise just yet. If they have another neutral party then it might be good (and hope its not the bodyguard they found).

Either way, I am about to head to the rehab hospital for a few hours, and just in case I dont get back before deadline..

Vote Imthecrew

This run on Sam feels way too easy in developing, and something about Imthecrew feels a bit "off" or different than his previous games. Perhaps its nothing, but I don't like a run on one person without an alternate candidate.

[hoopsguy]

We've got two votes for Samifan in already, with Saldana indicating he was leaning in this direction. I'm honestly not sure what to make of this morning movement.

I'm having a hard time believing that a veteran seer would have chosen Samifan - just not normally the way these things go, you usually scan the people you would prefer as allies or to remove as enemies ASAP. Of the seven people remaining, five have played enough games to have clear thoughts on who they might scan. Including all three people who have either voted for Sami or indicated they would do so (Saldana, ITC, Chief).

[hoopsguy]

Alan, it is getting eerie how often we post similar thoughts on top of each other lately.

[samifan24]

i agree here Samifan is very UTR and makes for a good wolf....
so ill

VOTE SAMIFAN

Well I must say that I am surprised that I am under suspicion by so many, so soon. I have done little here which would suggest that I have been compromised while others seem so ready to cast their suspicions on the "man of the moment." I am not comfortable with a fellow officer exhibiting the weaknesses shown here and so I will protect myself and

Vote ImTheCrew

[hoopsguy]

I believe that Saldana is the only one who has not posted since I outlined the "role reveal" thought process. But so far, Alan T and RendeR are the only ones to comment on it. What are other people's thoughts on the strengths/weaknesses of this approach?

Anxiety has clarified that both the bodyguard and seer are still in play, which meets RendeR's initial concern. I think this is the correct play to make at this point in time, but we really need this to be a group decision rather than an individual decision. But the time to pull the trigger on this is getting short. And right now we have another emerging two man showdown. I thought this was a better strategy for yesterday than for today, frankly.

[Alan T]

Just checking in real quick, as I wanted to see what was happening. It appears not much has progressed. I think I would make one revision to your plan at this point Hoops.. and this places alot of dependance on the Seer being around between now and deadline to work..

At this point, perhaps its not a good idea to reveal unless the person you scanned happened to be either Sam or ITC. I think this is what I prefer at this point. I think if Sam or ITC are either the seer or bodyguard, they need to say so before its too late to move votes to save them. Likewise if the seer chose either of them to scan (I find it unlikely) and they are good, they should say so.

If none of the above are true then that means we have the following:

2 Known good roles (Bodyguard/seer)
3 Unknown good/2 unknown bad roles (Sam and ITC are in this group).

This achieves the same goal as Hoops plan just without the reveals at this point.

[hoopsguy]

Makes sense. Only downside is that we can't guarantee a block on the seer tonight heading down this path. So the aliens will have a better mathematical shot (better than zero, assuming the bodyguard would always guard the seer if they know who it is) of taking out that role on Night 2.

However, in weighing risk/reward I think that is a positive approach.

[saldana]

hoops, i think i agree with your idea on reveals...if we lynch wrong here, then they get a kill overnight, we have to be perfect tomorrow, which can make things very difficult...

if the seer and bg reveal now, we get 3 cleared vs 4 uncleared...one of the uncleared gets lynched tonight giving us a 50% chance of a hit and making it 3 on 3

the BG protects the seer tonight, most likely dying in the line of duty, making it 2 on 3, but the seer wakes up in the morning with another clear, making it 3 cleared vs 2 uncleared. if there are 2 uncleared left tomorrow morning, they pretty much have to be the wolves, unless there was only one to start with.

mathmatically, we should win if the reveals happen before tonights lynch deadline.

[samifan24]

/out of character/

I have to say that you guys put a lot more thought into these games than I ever thought possible. I give you guys a lot of credit because math was never my strong suit and just glancing at those different probabilities makes my head spin. Nevertheless, I'm having fun and enjoying my first game.

/out of character/

[hoopsguy]

Sami, you should see what it is like in a game with 20+ people and a couple of more vocal members :)

As it looks now, the vote is between the two candidates with votes. I'll hope to do a little better this time around.

ImTheCrew has been available today, but hasn't commented at all on our proposed plan or given any reason for his vote on samifan24 other than a tag-along with Saldanan's initial thoughts - along with a warning to Saldana that he would be accountable if it was wrong. Those are all characteristics that put me ill at ease. I think my tolerance for a late reveal will be lower today than it would be in other games as we had demonstrated value in the "Day 2 reveal" approach. For someone to disregard the logic, then try to call out as a special role near the deadline would certainly encourage skepticism.

VOTE IMTHECREW

[saldana]

despite a nagging feeling i have been having since last night

vote imthecrew

[saldana]

in case anyone looks at the bottom of the page to see who is in the thread and sees me, then wonders why it has been hours since i posted last, i got a new cell phone that is internet capable, so i log onto fofc with it to read posts while i am at work, and then it doesnt log off when i am done, so even though it looks like i am online all day, it is really just my phone saving where i left off for me for my next break.

[DaddyTorgo]

in case anyone looks at the bottom of the page to see who is in the thread and sees me, then wonders why it has been hours since i posted last, i got a new cell phone that is internet capable, so i log onto fofc with it to read posts while i am at work, and then it doesnt log off when i am done, so even though it looks like i am online all day, it is really just my phone saving where i left off for me for my next break.

that's hot. You have a super-phone like me now too sal?

[saldana]

that's hot. You have a super-phone like me now too sal?

yeah...i got a Moto Q...havent figured out how to do a whole lot with it yet, but its sweet.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah...i got a Moto Q...havent figured out how to do a whole lot with it yet, but its sweet.

those are pretty sweet. Nice lookin. the proprietery OS (if i'm not mistaken) is a bit of a turn-off, but still...pretty sweet. Believe me, after a couple months you'll feel like you couldn't ever live without it.

[ImTheCrew]

ok guys i didnt want to have to do this but i am the BG this will only save me a day or 2 but im willing to do that for the sake of the team

[ImTheCrew]

night 1 i protected Alan T

[Alan T]

Ok, Unless someone comes to dispute your claim of being the bodyguard, I'll move my vote.

Unvote Imthecrew
Vote Chief Rum

Chief was the other person in the morning run on Sami, so I'll go there for now.

So I assume everyone knows that even though Imthecrew didn't clear me, at least you know that I didn't do the kill last night. (I assume that would have been blocked if the BG protects the night killer). So I know I'm good, but from a neutral perspective we have this:

Good:

Seer -
Bodyguard - Imthecrew

UnknownGood#1
UnknownGood#2
UnknownGood#3

Badguy (killer night1) - Wasn't Alan
Badguy (didn't kill night 1) -

I know I'm one of the Unknown Good#1-3, but you all don't know that.

[saldana]

with no one coming forward to dispute it,

unvote imthecrew
vote samifan

[Alan T]

Right now, I see this as the voting:

Samifan - Imthecrew, Chief Rum
Imthecrew - Samifan, Hoopsguy, Saldana
Chief Rum - Alan

So that means if need be, I'll move my vote to Samifan to save Imthecrew now. Just giving him a bit more of a chance since I didn't like the quick pile up on him.

[saldana]

Right now, I see this as the voting:

Samifan - Imthecrew, Chief Rum
Imthecrew - Samifan, Hoopsguy, Saldana
Chief Rum - Alan

So that means if need be, I'll move my vote to Samifan to save Imthecrew now. Just giving him a bit more of a chance since I didn't like the quick pile up on him.


look up.;)

[Alan T]

look up.;)

Was posted at the same time!

[Alan T]

Well only Render hasn't voted. Looks like right now Sami is on the line to die, and he was on the line earlier as well and didn't profess any role such as seer, so guess this is the way it will go.

[hoopsguy]

Crew is lying - I'm the bodyguard.

Please change votes back to him ASAP. Sorry I wasn't here to dispute it earlier.

[hoopsguy]

Since there is no downside in revealing who I guarded on a night-by-night basis (can repeat, as posted in the rules) I guarded Chief Rum last night.

[Alan T]

Unvote Chief Rum
Vote Imthecrew

[Alan T]

Actually this may put me on the block later, but I change my mind.

Hoops could just as likely be lying as Imthecrew is. This goes back to a few games ago where we purposely kept a fake seer alive for days which caused the bad guys to not kill the real seer in fear of giving up their own.

Regardless of who is lying or not, I bet the bad guys could go after the bodyguard tonight. Let them do the dirty work for us.

Unvote Imthecrew
Vote Samifan

There, we'll see what happens tonight, and what happens with Sami's death

[Abe Sargent]

Time check

[Abe Sargent]

That is time., no more votes will bet aken

[Abe Sargent]

I have samifan with four votes, is that correct?

[Alan T]

I have samifan with four votes, is that correct?


Yea

[Alan T]

So, I was in a hurry there with my response.. but basically my thinking was this:

If Hoopsguy was bad in a small game he would guess he would be scanned on an early day most likely. So he was going to be a gonner either way. His best bet would be to take out a valuable role along the way and hopefully open the path for his fellow wolf.

If Hoopsguy was good, and is telling the truth, we'll know if he dies tonight that he was telling the truth, and tommorrow's lynch is easy. If The bad guys pick someone completely random, the seer has the opportunity to tell which one was lying.

Either way, I would rather leave it up to the bad guys to make the poor decision of choosing which to kill. Last thing we want is to accidentally kill our bodyguard by guessing wrong.

[saldana]

i was away from my computer and didnt dee hoops reveal...even if i had been here i would not have changed my vote...i have a very bad feeling about hoops this game, and considered voting for him today....i will elaborate more later...btw, its tueday...anxiety has datenight so i dont expect results right away

[Abe Sargent]

Another long wait begins and winds its way through the day. A great deal of sorrow accompanies your deliberations. Today is fairly lively. Many arguments are tossed around and many fingers are pointed.

At the end of the day, it appears that you have narrowed your suspects. After a short review of the evidence against each candidate, you begin to vote. After a short amount of time, you have made your selection.

B’Pok, the Vulcan, is asked to come forward. He does so with no hesitation. “Are you upset?” “Of course not,” he responds. “It is the will of the people.” He reaches down and grabs his phaser. You tighten your muscles but he merely places it on a nearby table.

You allow him to say last rites, and then you sends beams of energy into his body from your various weapons. As his body collapses, you hear a loud screeching noise. Out of his mouth pops a large creature. You cannot tell if it is a crustacean or an insect. One of you recovers from your surprise and hits the creature with his phaser to no avail. The rest of you shake off your shock and add your beams to his. The combined force of your phaser beams pierces the outer shell of the creature, and a wave of three-day old decay assails your nose as the creature wails in death.

Samifan was under the control of aliens.


Day Two has ended. Night Two has begun and will end at 2 am EST Wed or when I receive all night actions.

[Abe Sargent]

i was away from my computer and didnt dee hoops reveal...even if i had been here i would not have changed my vote...i have a very bad feeling about hoops this game, and considered voting for him today....i will elaborate more later...btw, its tueday...anxiety has datenight so i dont expect results right away

I got home early tonight, passing up sure sex, to run this game. :eek:

[saldana]

I got home early tonight, passing up sure sex, to run this game. :eek:

damn...that is a dedicate werewolf gm!!!!!

[saldana]

and now we begin the argument...who is lying....hoops or itc?

[Alan T]

Well, I would like to encourage the seer to scan either hoops or Imthecrew to help us know which of the two is the other wolf. I'm wondering if There is a sympathizer type role and hoops has it.

[DaddyTorgo]

that'd be hot if you guys just won the game there. I'm pullin for ya...great game so far!

[saldana]

my thoughts on who is lying...

i have had a suspicion about hoopsguy since yesterday...he seems a little too passive in this game...he has been in end game situations before, but he is acting like this is his first time, even though this game essentially starts as an endgame.

also, the fact that i am still alive makes me suspect him...he knows from having played together so many times, that I generally wont vote for him without solid evidence, so keeping me in the game means he has an ally...he also has made a point of keeping me on his good side with his day one vote to help save me, without ever giving a reason, defending me in my character battle with render, and a couple other things that have just set bells off in my head.

however, i lean towards not thinking he is bad, because, imo, if he were the senior man in the bad guy pair, he would have made samifan be more active, knowing that alan or i would see the UTR strategy a mile away, which I did.

if i live through the night, i cant wait to see this one play out

[hoopsguy]

Well, looks like I'll get to live another night along with ITC. I'll have a decent amount of availability tomorrow to continue this debate. In the meantime, I know I don't have to guard myself or ITC so I've got a better shot of guarding the seer.

[hoopsguy]

Today was a very, very good day for us getting two aliens in a runoff against each other. It has been quite awhile since I've seen that happen before.

Saldana, just to address one of your comments - happy to talk about each of them if you would like me to respond that way - this is my first small game. So while I'm pretty familiar with the end-game scenarios, I'm not at all used to calling for them on Day 2. And from the games I've read I have not seen an instance where another player has followed this line of thought. So if you want to think I was playing dumb about end-game logic, so be it. But it is pretty common practice to call someone out for "forcing reveals" before their time in Werewolf.

And I didn't want to have to make a premature reveal on the bodyguard because I put out arguments that didn't resonate with my crewmates. I was all for doing it if it was advancing our cause of winning - such as protecting the seer tonight or clearly identifying someone usurping my role. Those are good reasons to reveal - revealing because you lost the crowd as a good guy is a defensive, low value maneuver.

[ImTheCrew]

really no need to argue the point Hoops its over tommrow for you when they find out your lying inless you are good, which would make no sense why youd lie

[saldana]

Today was a very, very good day for us getting two aliens in a runoff against each other. It has been quite awhile since I've seen that happen before.

Saldana, just to address one of your comments - happy to talk about each of them if you would like me to respond that way - this is my first small game. So while I'm pretty familiar with the end-game scenarios, I'm not at all used to calling for them on Day 2. And from the games I've read I have not seen an instance where another player has followed this line of thought. So if you want to think I was playing dumb about end-game logic, so be it. But it is pretty common practice to call someone out for "forcing reveals" before their time in Werewolf.

And I didn't want to have to make a premature reveal on the bodyguard because I put out arguments that didn't resonate with my crewmates. I was all for doing it if it was advancing our cause of winning - such as protecting the seer tonight or clearly identifying someone usurping my role. Those are good reasons to reveal - revealing because you lost the crowd as a good guy is a defensive, low value maneuver.

i think you misunderstand my position right now....if you go back and look at the last part of my post, you will see that i am actually leaning toward beleiving you tomorrow...i think you wold have done the exact opposite with a first timer as a teammate...itc has only a few games to draw off for strategy...one of which was a very successful UTR run as a wolf...it makes sense to me therefore that he would lead Sami to do the same...i think you would have pushed him to be out and about

[hoopsguy]

I think I understood your overall position, but there was an earlier point by either you or Alan about being suspicious of my play so I figured I would outline my position.

The best news is that we have a seer out there tonight who can settle this very easily. As long as they are kept alive tonight this will be crystal clear tomorrow morning. And I'm hoping that we vote nightfall at this point and it is game over.

[hoopsguy]

Heading home from work now - will probably be around for one more round of questions before calling it a night if people want to discuss this tonight. I've sent in my protect order already; I'm hoping my gut on the seer is correct.

I think it is really outstanding how things ended tonight. We got an alien, we have another one who is lying, and to keep his lie intact he has to leave the bodyguard alive.

[Abe Sargent]

Day Two has ended. Night Two has begun and will end at 2 am EST Wed or when I receive all nigh t actions.


The night shift has begun when one of you enters a turbolift on your way back to your quarters. There on the floor lies a very dead James Essex. He appears to have had his neck broken with tremendous force. He also appeared to have been on his way somewhere.

Security is called, but the fact that he was out and about, and not preparing for bed means something about his activity, you suspect. An investigation uncovers a recording made by the deceased. You play it and hear James’s voice for the last time.

He recounts that he has been trying to protect people at night from the aliens, watching over them from the corridors and empty rooms. Its obvious that you have found the bodyguard, dead.

Hoopsguy has died.

Night Two has ended. Day Three has begun and will end at 9:00 pm EST Wednesday.

[Alan T]

I am actually suprised they killed Hoops. I guessed they would leave him alive to build doubt on who the bodyguard was and actually kill someone else to try to buy time...

I guess now we know Imthecrew was lying for sure..

Vote Imthecrew

[RendeR]

Meeesha hundoru una Valchenko. Unassa bendeema pudu. Meesha troikata ifs benda son voichi.

Tona MARTU!


"I have given you my life and support for some time. You are a dishonorable wretch, a weak HU-man with no gamcha. I will rend your worthless body into stardust and burn it in the 15 infernos of Voichi.

You Die NOW!"


VOTE ImTheCrew

[Alan T]

I guess something that i don't get...

So obviously today we ended up with a wolf vs wolf vote in sami vs Imthecrew..

That is a worst possible case matchup for them in a small game with only 2 wolves...

so when Imthecrew is going down, why do a fake reveal to pull it from him to the other wolf with something that could be verified? Was it a selfish play to try to personally stay alive? or is there something else going on behind the scenes? a third wolf? Or am I just overthinking this?

[Chief Rum]

Wow, if this is true, this could be the fastest game ever. And Rome's still rolling.

Well, I guess I come up smelling like a rose. I voted for a wolf in samifan, and a known good guy protected me on Night One (which isn't really evidence, but it's another conenction to good).

But in this case, is there a need to make myself look like a villager? I can't imagine we had more than two wolves to start, and one is already dead.

VOTE IMTHECREW

It feels like I end up voting for ITC at some point every game.

[saldana]

easiest. vote. ever.

vote imthecrew

[saldana]

itc, i see you are in the thread with me...care to defend at all before i vote nightfall as well?

[saldana]

guess not, he left

[Abe Sargent]

itc, i see you are in the thread with me...care to defend at all before i vote nightfall as well?

I will not be honoring any Nightfall votes in this game.

[ImTheCrew]

Ok i really hoped the BG wouldnt come out or even worse killed but actaully i am the seer the reason i did not reveal this yesterday was because i had a really strong feeling that tyrith was actaully BG the first night i scanned Alan T he was clean and last night I scanned Chief Rum and he came up as an alien

so ill
VOTE CHEIFRUM

[Alan T]

Ok i really hoped the BG wouldnt come out or even worse killed but actaully i am the seer the reason i did not reveal this yesterday was because i had a really strong feeling that tyrith was actaully BG the first night i scanned Alan T he was clean and last night I scanned Chief Rum and he came up as an alien

so ill
VOTE CHEIFRUM

I am sorry Imthecrew, but when you do a fake reveal that can easily be disputed, it allows you to have zero credibility for a real reveal later (if that is what this is). We simply have no choice but to kill you here today. if you end up the seer like you say, then we know you are telling the truth about Chief Rum whom we can vote tommorrow.

We knew for a fact that Tyrith wasn't the bodyguard, we had already stated that the bodyguard was still alive yesterday, so you are either lying about that as well or just wern't paying attention.

[ImTheCrew]

right now it is 3v2 there are two wolves left if we do not get rid of Chief Rum tonight its over

[Alan T]

right now it is 3v2 there are two wolves left if we do not get rid of Chief Rum tonight its over

How do you know there are 2 wolves left? You mean to tell me we started with 6 good guys and 3 bad guys? That seems just a bit off.

If and its a big if, you are telling the truth about you being good, you have no way to know there are 2 bad guys left. And its more likely 4-1. You die making it 3-1, night kill makes it 2-1 with Chief Rum being lynched tommorrow to end the game.

With now 3 things that just don't seem right about what you said though, I find the more likely scenerio to be that you're bad and you got busted and the game will be over today. If you really are good, you made many many mistakes.

[ImTheCrew]

alan i think it started 2 v 7 but one of them got converted because last night in my pm (anxitey i hope this isnt breaking any rules) it said Chief Rum is 1 of 2 Aliens that are still alive

[ImTheCrew]

if we vote out Chief Rum it will be 3v1 ill be killed over night and i will scan Saldana tonight and maybe ill get the info out before i die making it 2-1 and alan has been scanned by me that would leave Saldana and Render
and weather i get my info out ill have the rest of the game figured out

[RendeR]

We already figured out the game ITC, You're busted.

A) you lied about being the bodyguard
B) You lied about being the seer ;)
C) You lied about recieving info in a PM (which if you HAD recieved it, you couldn't POST it because the rules say so)

Tonight you Die alien.

If its not obvious by now, *I* am the seer. Saldana has been scanned and found to be alien free. My test was to be used on hoops but someone killed him before I could do so. I wonder who that was?

Fun stuff.

[saldana]

right now it is 3v2 there are two wolves left if we do not get rid of Chief Rum tonight its over

good effort, but when exactly would this conversion have taken place...we have had 2 nights, and 2 night kills....so unless each wolf had the ability to perform their own night action, they never had a chance to make a conversion....wolves have to forgo their night kill to make a conversion

[saldana]

If its not obvious by now, *I* am the seer. Saldana has been scanned and found to be alien free. My test was to be used on hoops but someone killed him before I could do so. I wonder who that was?

Fun stuff.

this makes perfect sense if you look at renders votes....he voted for me on day one when i voted ITC, but not on day 2 in the same situation, when he would have known i was a good guy.

[saldana]

alan....i also thought hoops was a little odd yesterday in calling for a runoff and then not voting himself until later. also the fact that i am alive today makes me highly suspicious of him

my next thought went to samifan....he is the perfect wolf right now...none of us would vote for him yesterday because it is his first game, but we really dont have the luxury of letting him be UTR for long in this, or we will all be dead. a toss in vote on a 3rd party and very few posts (yes i realize that everyone has very few posts in this game) are everything a UTR wolf could ask for....if he is teamed up with a vet wolf like hoops or you, he is very dangerous.

last suspect is imthecrew, for the simple reason that render is playing his role very very well, and has been from GO. ITC knows that render will follow him where ever he goes, so for him to "randomly" start a run on me yesterday pretty much guaranteed it would be 2 votes on me.

all that said, i think i am going with samifan today.

[beavis voice]heh heh heh...damn i'm smooth[/beavis voice]

[Alan T]

I guess I still really don't understand the play yesterday at all. Would love someone to explain that to me.

When it was Samifan gaining alot of votes, that obviously was a wolf. Imthecrew was the first voter for him, which is a normal wolf trick to vote for your team mate in a place where you likely think they won't get lynched from it.

Then I vote for Imthecrew, and am followed by a few people who liked my reasoning. So we now had wolf vs wolf...

At that point if one of them die at the end of the day, our initial reaction is well gee the other must be good, or might be good and likely they buy at least another day or so from that alone. But instead Imthecrew comes up with a bogus story about being the bodyguard which is easily refutable if not true (which it wasn't). But more importantly Imthecrew told a lie to try to save himself and kill off the other wolf there in a way which likely ended up getting both of them killed..

So I guess is there more to this that I am missing, is there really a third wolf is so few people here? Or was that just a really selfish play that lost the game for them?

[RendeR]

I don't think there is anything you're missing. I think when ITC got pegged early he offered up his teamate in a move to cause confusion and keep himself alive. it backfired and almost got them both killed, so he pulled the bodyguard gambit out to try and swing suspicion away again, but this being foiled by his choice of victims overnight basically threw him out in teh street with his alien tail showing, so to speak.

The only thing that MIGHT throw this would be the existance of a 3rd alien, and if thats the case we'll still get ITC and hopefully learn the last one overnight.

[Chief Rum]

It looks like you guys already have it figured, but, yes, ImTheCrew is lying out of his ass. Now I now for sure he's a wolf. Because I'm no alien.

And hoops guarded me on Night One. If I was part of the wolves who killed that night, wouldn't something have showed?

Nice try, ITC. But you're a goner.

[DaddyTorgo]

WIN THE GAME...WIN THE GAME...GO STARFLEET!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

YAY FOR WINNING!!!


why am i not alive to enjoy the celebration there? where's bullet's lil "ghost-smiley" ???

[hoopsguy]

DT, when you find it send it my way.

[saldana]

It looks like you guys already have it figured, but, yes, ImTheCrew is lying out of his ass. Now I now for sure he's a wolf. Because I'm no alien.

And hoops guarded me on Night One. If I was part of the wolves who killed that night, wouldn't something have showed?

Nice try, ITC. But you're a goner.

nice pickup on the hoops protection...i honestly didnt notice the correlation....if hoops protected you, you would not have been able to perform a night action without leaving your room, so if there were 2 to start, and one conversion, as ITC says, it would have had to be night one.

if you were in your room, and sami was killing tyrith, then who did the converting....simple answer is: no one, because ITC is full of it.

[saldana]

i think this will be the shortest game ever both in post count, and in number of days.

[Abe Sargent]

With little in the way of deliberation, today's council meetings take little time. The seems to go by with heightened alacrity. You agree to kill Yvette Yarachenko.

Within seconds of the decision being made, you have your hands on your phasers. Only, there are two problems. The first is that Yarachenko has moved very quickly, and the second is that Umbrunda now stands between you and her. He crouches in a fighting stance.

One of you stuns Umbrunda, and then there is nothing between you and Yarachenko. She draws her phaser to retaliate but her body begins to glow from the several phasers already hittin gher. Showing amazing fortitude, she still manages to aim her weapon before she slumps over.

You look, but see nothing emerge from her body.

You wait for a few moments, but no creatures are still to be seen. You wonder at what is going on. You were sure she was under alien control.



As one of you reaches forward to pick her up, the creature suddenly jumps out from underneath a tear in her skin, under her clothing. That person is not fast enough to keep the alien creature from latching onto their hand. Two of you manage to pull it away, but not without it taking the bottom half of the hand with it. That person's pinky is now in the mandibles of that creature.

Within a second, phaser fire begins to hit the creature again and again. Its seems more formidible than the previous one. Ultimately it dies, and sick bay arrives.

Umbrunda reveals that his species encoutered these things long ago, and know a special particle that they emit when thhey are in a host's body. As such, he was able to scan people once a day, but no more, because the process takes too long.

Several doctors take the process and replicate it. After two days. everybody has been scanned and comes out clean. You have managed to eliminate the infestation before it became too deep to scourge.

There were many deaths along the way, such as the entire crew of the USS Perseus and Relentless as well as the Klingons, the others who died here in the council chambers, and numerous other mishaps that have happened over the past week.

However, you have survived. You are a bit more suspicious of each other, but life will continue much as before. There will be mouring, and then there will be acceptance.

And there will be life, unfettered by the control of unknown aliens.


Game over. The Federation has won.

[Abe Sargent]

I know as the GM I'm supposed to be neutral, but when I saw that ITC, a newer player was drawn with samifan I was REALLY rooting for them to go the distance. Ah well.

Interesting that our two new players both had roles.

ITC has balls.


Those are my comments. :)

[saldana]

live long and prosper, and long live the federation.

[hoopsguy]

As a Cubs fan, I sympathize with rooting for the underdog :)

In all seriousness, I figured that ITC would have to take a shot at the seer last night to extend the game. I was surprised he went after me without there being a third alien. But I was guarding RenderR last night, so getting the seer wasn't happening either.

RendeR, for what it is worth you tipped your hand on being the seer when you asked questions about why the seer might reveal. Or at least enough where I felt pretty good about guarding you.

ITC - why come out with a role reveal on Day 2 when we are choosing between two aliens? Did you think you were a likely scan the next night? If not, then you point towards the people who voted for you (and not the dead alien) as likely aliens the next day.

[saldana]

thanks abe...there was a certain degree of urgency from the get go that i have never had before in a game because of the size....there was no such thing as a throwaway vote in this game...and the managable size of the daily posts plus your usual quality performance made this one of my favorite games.....that and the fact that we smoked the aliens.

gg all

[Abe Sargent]

Heh, thanks!

[path12]

Small games rock.

[ImTheCrew]

As a Cubs fan, I sympathize with rooting for the underdog :)

In all seriousness, I figured that ITC would have to take a shot at the seer last night to extend the game. I was surprised he went after me without there being a third alien. But I was guarding RenderR last night, so getting the seer wasn't happening either.

RendeR, for what it is worth you tipped your hand on being the seer when you asked questions about why the seer might reveal. Or at least enough where I felt pretty good about guarding you.

ITC - why come out with a role reveal on Day 2 when we are choosing between two aliens? Did you think you were a likely scan the next night? If not, then you point towards the people who voted for you (and not the dead alien) as likely aliens the next day.

i figured samifan or i was gone in the next two days andi was hoping that for some reason the real BG wouldnt Come out (which makes no sense when i thank about it now) and i was going to kill Render but i was hoping the roles would not be revealed so i went with hoops(i dont know why when i thank about it now :()


Thanks for the game Anxiety


you guys know im probally the worst Werewolf player and thats what i showed this game i messed up several times and did stuff without thinking most of the time

[hoopsguy]

For what it is worth, I don't think there were sure-fire reasons to end up with a showdown of you vs Sami yesterday, but once that happened you guys were in a tough spot. I was just posting how I think I would have approached the situation because I did spend a lot of time thinking about it both last night after your fake reveal and again today while watching the thread go by ...

[samifan24]

I was and am still surprised at how much thought you guys put into each move. The first time we killed someone, I didn't think about it. I just picked someone to kill based upon their initial character description and went through with it. I never thought about the odds or even about the bodyguard or seer characters. I guess I didn't handle the game well because I didn't think much about the strategy except to try and deflect suspicion when appropriate.

I thought that the alien vs. alien showdown would work well and save at least one of us but I was really surprised with ITC made his bodyguard claim after I was killed. It just didn't seem to make sense.

Nevertheless I enjoyed this game and would welcome another game. Like I said, I'm not the best at it but I realize now that a lot of strategy goes into every move. Please consider me if you're adding players for future games.

[Abe Sargent]

Heya samifan - its good to get your first game outta the way with a nice, easy game like this. Don;t worry, you'll get plenty of opportunities of play in others!

[RendeR]

RendeR, for what it is worth you tipped your hand on being the seer when you asked questions about why the seer might reveal. Or at least enough where I felt pretty good about guarding you.



It was a calculated risk.I wanted to look innoquous in debating the "coming out" theory, but hoped to be direct enough that the BG realized who I was and protected me. It seems I did just enough :D

this was fun, let me know if another sci-fi style game comes up!

[DaddyTorgo]

that's hot. My fellow starfleet officers are a bunch of alien-buttkickers!

[DaddyTorgo]

I was and am still surprised at how much thought you guys put into each move. The first time we killed someone, I didn't think about it. I just picked someone to kill based upon their initial character description and went through with it. I never thought about the odds or even about the bodyguard or seer characters. I guess I didn't handle the game well because I didn't think much about the strategy except to try and deflect suspicion when appropriate.

I thought that the alien vs. alien showdown would work well and save at least one of us but I was really surprised with ITC made his bodyguard claim after I was killed. It just didn't seem to make sense.

Nevertheless I enjoyed this game and would welcome another game. Like I said, I'm not the best at it but I realize now that a lot of strategy goes into every move. Please consider me if you're adding players for future games.

you'll improve quite quickly I venture to say sami. I might advise sticking to the smaller games, or at least the ones that are less-complicated until you feel more comfortable however, but you're more than welcome to play a bigger more complicated game right now. It can just be...frustrating. But perhaps someone who isn't playing could...mentor you...play along with you

[st.cronin]

The big, complex games are hard for everybody.

[Alan T]

I didn't have much time to talk post game here, but this is what I was going through on day 2:

1) Not many people were around, so the deciding vote of that day appeared to be in my hands. I could either tie it up (What happened in case of a tie Anxiety?), or I could condemn Sami for no reason that I could think of other than he is the one who had votes already.

2) It made no sense to me that Imthecrew would come out with a bogus Bodyguard claim when the bodyguard was knowingly in the game still (We had already discussed the fact that he was still alive that day).

3) it made no sense Hoops would lie about being the bodyguard so late in the day when there wasn't enough time or people to move the vote anyways unless he and Sami were bad. However I don't see how Hoops would put himself in that position as it would make it pretty easy to connect the dots.

4) I ended up voting Sami because I didn't know for sure which one of the two Hoops or Imthecrew were actually lying there, and I assumed that this way we would be able to keep our bodyguard alive over night, since we didn't know which was lying but the bad guys did and to kill the bodyguard would mean to tell us which one was bad.

5) Sami being bad was just luck for me, I picked him for the vote finally to learn more about Hoopsguy than anything to do with Imthecrew. After that death, part of me was leaning more towards Hoops being bad than Imthecrew, I just had a hard time believeing hoops would have made such a transparent play there. I definitly assumed both Imthecrew and Hoops would be alive the following morning.

6) When Hoops died that night, it was obvious that Imthecrew had lied, then the following morning his story he told had 3 holes I pointed out and another 2 that Chief later pointed out. At that point I was just baffled why he would make the move to condemn his teammate and himself :)

[Abe Sargent]

In case of a tie, an unknown rule would be brought up. That'd be a super secret coin flip.

I didn't have much time to talk post game here, but this is what I was going through on day 2:

1) Not many people were around, so the deciding vote of that day appeared to be in my hands. I could either tie it up (What happened in case of a tie Anxiety?), or I could condemn Sami for no reason that I could think of other than he is the one who had votes already.

2) It made no sense to me that Imthecrew would come out with a bogus Bodyguard claim when the bodyguard was knowingly in the game still (We had already discussed the fact that he was still alive that day).

3) it made no sense Hoops would lie about being the bodyguard so late in the day when there wasn't enough time or people to move the vote anyways unless he and Sami were bad. However I don't see how Hoops would put himself in that position as it would make it pretty easy to connect the dots.

4) I ended up voting Sami because I didn't know for sure which one of the two Hoops or Imthecrew were actually lying there, and I assumed that this way we would be able to keep our bodyguard alive over night, since we didn't know which was lying but the bad guys did and to kill the bodyguard would mean to tell us which one was bad.

5) Sami being bad was just luck for me, I picked him for the vote finally to learn more about Hoopsguy than anything to do with Imthecrew. After that death, part of me was leaning more towards Hoops being bad than Imthecrew, I just had a hard time believeing hoops would have made such a transparent play there. I definitly assumed both Imthecrew and Hoops would be alive the following morning.

6) When Hoops died that night, it was obvious that Imthecrew had lied, then the following morning his story he told had 3 holes I pointed out and another 2 that Chief later pointed out. At that point I was just baffled why he would make the move to condemn his teammate and himself :)

[Alan T]

So then I wonder what would have happened if I had gone the other way and Imthecrew had ended up being lynched instead. Would we have then gone after samifan or looked elsewhere instead? (like one of the people who voted sami)

[hoopsguy]

That is the point I raised for how I think ITC should have played it - suggest that the seer take a hard look at the people who voted for the non-wolf in the vote. That we got lucky with the vote on this day, by getting a wolf instead of him, and should definitely focus on those with a more suspicious track record. "I'm not an alien, I voted for an alien yesterday, there are 3 people who didn't, some of who voted for innocent DaddyTorgo on Day 1 as well". Probably works for a day, even better if he gets someone in a key role killed the next day.

Like Sami said, people do try to think out their decisions in short/long term impacts. Or come up with if/then logic that makes the next play clear. But as a wolf, my number #1 priority is finding one person who looks more guilty every single day. That strategy gets you through the day, then you have the ability to change the dynamics with your night actions. In many, many cases you can make entirely new arguments the following day based upon new information (voting records, someone dead, whatever) to help you survive another day.

ITC - there is no reason to beat yourself up over this game. But there is every reason to learn from it so you come back stronger next time.