My wide receiver is better than your Jerry Rice

[korme]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9753/prettygirlyy7.png

Bastard already missed a 1,000 yard season in yr 2 due to injury however :(

[korme]

Although he does appear to be mentally handicapped when returning punts

[PiemasterUK]

I would have thought he would scout higher than 95/95. I thought the game more or less ignored things like return skills when calculating overall rating.

[JetsIn06]

Yowza.

[stevew]

Too bad he plays for the bungholes.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I would have thought he would scout higher than 95/95. I thought the game more or less ignored things like return skills when calculating overall rating.

Ditto.

[Raiders Army]

Can he do this?
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2103/jerryricesf1.jpg

[Hammer]

There is only one Jerry Rice Shorty, and he's ours 8p

[Fonzie]

Too bad he plays for the bungholes.

His "Wants Winner" rating is only a 7, so it's a perfect fit.

[Emiliano]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9753/prettygirlyy7.png

Bastard already missed a 1,000 yard season in yr 2 due to injury however :(

Holy s**t! :eek:

I would have thought he would scout higher than 95/95. I thought the game more or less ignored things like return skills when calculating overall rating.

My thoughts as well.

[surlyc]

Pick 2? Who passed on him and who did they take?

I bet they feel a bit sick now...;)

[Hammer]

Got a combine Shorty?

[korme]

Got a combine Shorty?

Nah... but I do remember he came in as Underrated and had good numbers and bars, looked like a sure thing... I just didn't expect all of that goodness. I am hesistant to play his career out because I just want all the 100's to stay forever.

And just to whet the appetite of the person that asked, #1 overall was this guy, pretty good corner but #1?

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/408/thereth5.png

[Raiders Army]

I dunno. I'd take a great CB over a great WR any day. You can succeed with a decent WR in the right offense. Great corners are hard to find.

[Joe]

this is worthless without stats

[korme]

After I get through a substantial amount of seasons, I'll post. So far, in his rookie campaign he had 1070 yards, 2nd season only 13 games and ~700 yards, 3rd season he missed 8 games due to injury but had 850 yards, so he had half a season and was pretty damn good.

However, the injuries worry me as in the 2nd season he was dinged up quite a bit and missed a few second halves.

[korme]

Just finished his fourth season.
Let's just say it was a breakout. I'll post the screenie if nec. but here's what happened:

We struggled to a 1-2 start before rattling off the last 13 games with victories to head into the playoffs (where I'm at now) at 14-2.

Clements was healthy all season, and had 134-2208-23, setting records in all three major receiving single-season categories. He had 13 100+ yard games his catch p/target was 64.7%. Oh yeah, he had 38 20+ plays. It was ridiculous how many long catch+runs he had.

Going to play the playoffs now.

[korme]

Didn't even realize this, but my starting QB (who threw 48 TD, also a record) tore his rotator cuff in the meaningless week 17 game :mad:

[Passacaglia]

I don't have a Jerry Rice.

Go Fish.

[General Mike]

Clements was healthy all season, and had 134-2208-23,

Oh My. :eek:

[larrymcg421]

I would have thought he would scout higher than 95/95. I thought the game more or less ignored things like return skills when calculating overall rating.

It includes everything, which often leads to people overrating players by picking up that 51/51 guy with 100 Special Teams over a lower rated guy that has more relevant bars.

[Synovia]

It includes everything, which often leads to people overrating players by picking up that 51/51 guy with 100 Special Teams over a lower rated guy that has more relevant bars.


Theres something else here.


I've seen WRs who are 100/100 (just one) who don't have all their bars even maxed (like a couple 99s), or with no punt returns. I'm thinking that either a) you can have bars above 100 and he just doesn't have any (and those guys did) or b) theres a hidden rating thats being calculated in, and not shown, like avoid fumbles.

[Yoda]

I've seen it mentioned before that you can have skills above 100.

[Subby]

I dunno. I'd take a great CB over a great WR any day. You can succeed with a decent WR in the right offense. Great corners are hard to find.
No.

[Ben E Lou]

I dunno. I'd take a great CB over a great WR any day. You can succeed with a decent WR in the right offense. Great corners are hard to find.

No.

It depends on how good your QB is. Richie Herndon and his buddies (http://www.thefofl.com/teampages/summary.php?t=16) would tend to indicate that it's certainly possible to succeed with WRs who are just decent. Chappell is 55/55, the other WRs are 42/42 or less, and the TEs are 52/52 and 45/45. A stud QB can work wonders with average or slightly above average WRs.

[Subby]

...and stud WRs can make a decent QB look great.

My "no" was in response to such a blanket statement, anway. How can you even begin to quantify the value of stud cb versus stud wr in this game?

[Ben E Lou]

...and stud WRs can make a decent QB look great.Yup.

My "no" was in response to such a blanket statement, anway. How can you even begin to quantify the value of stud cb versus stud wr in this game?Yup again.

[korme]

Had to update right now.

Clements is in his 9th season, he's still 100's in everything except now 3DC is 95, and AtB is 90.

He's had some amazing years, but a few injury plagued ones as well.

Anyways, the update comes now because 5 weeks into the season
and he already has 1,000 yards receiving, capped off by both record setting games of 18 catches and 363 yards (also 4 TD, but he had 5 in a game a few years ago)

Here's his line:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/460/onesexybastardek6.png

[Kodos]

Didn't even realize this, but my starting QB (who threw 48 TD, also a record) tore his rotator cuff in the meaningless week 17 game :mad:

Serves you right for padding his stats. :p

[korme]

Serves you right for padding his stats. :p


I know I posted that over a month ago, but I still remember thinking that I had to go and try to set records and it was karma getting back at me.. :D

[korme]

8 games through, here's the team summary:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4231/onesexyteameb2.png

Besides the QB, we are inept everywhere offensively, which is why Clements is getting ridiculous amounts of targets this year... But don't think my gameplan is 100% pass, I mean, we're 6th in the league in run attempts. We're just really amazing with time of possession!

[cthomer5000]

I would be impressed by a 3,000 yard receiving season

[Yoda]

I'd be more impressed with the 36TDs he's on pace for.

[Atocep]

I'd be impressed if anyone can pronounce the name of his backup running back.

[Shkspr]

"Skup-uh-KEV-itch"?

[korme]

Ole Zup-ay-key-wick was a decent starter for me for several years and is in his first season as a backup

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Not bad. On pace for 200 catches and 3,000 yards this season. Totally realistic.

[korme]

Not bad. On pace for 200 catches and 3,000 yards this season. Totally realistic.

I'm just a man turning FOF into Madden

[Synovia]

Not bad. On pace for 200 catches and 3,000 yards this season. Totally realistic.



Well, Moss was on pace for about that at one point this year, so I don't see what your problem is.

Rice extrapolated to 16 games in 1987 puts up 30 tds.



There have been what, 20 seasons since the NFL expanded the passing rules? There have been what, 5 millions seasons of FOF2k7 simulated? Why do you expect there to NOT be outliers?

[Subby]

Not bad. On pace for 200 catches and 3,000 yards this season. Totally realistic.
You can do anything against the AI. That's like playing against 31 min-HornsManiacs or IMetTrentGreens.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Well, Moss was on pace for about that at one point this year, so I don't see what your problem is.

Rice extrapolated to 16 games in 1987 puts up 30 tds.



There have been what, 20 seasons since the NFL expanded the passing rules? There have been what, 5 millions seasons of FOF2k7 simulated? Why do you expect there to NOT be outliers?

Suffice it to say that Moss was never on pace for anything close to 200 catches and 3,000 yards after significant games this season.

Anyways, not really complaining, just making an observation that it's not realistic, that's all.

[Synovia]

Anyways, not really complaining, just making an observation that it's not realistic, that's all.

Real Life has a sample size of 15-20 seasons. I think its tough to judge whats actually realistic. If I simmed 20 seasons of FOF2K7, I wouldn't have any receivers like that. I've simmed probably 500 seasons and never seen anything like that.

5 years ago someone would have said a RB getting 30 rushing TDs in a season was ridiculously unrealistic.

[Narcizo]

Given Clements' injury history I'm not sure that the AI was wrong to pick the CB (depending on how injury prone he has turned out to be). Then again the AI (presumably) didn't know that at the time.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Real Life has a sample size of 15-20 seasons. I think its tough to judge whats actually realistic. If I simmed 20 seasons of FOF2K7, I wouldn't have any receivers like that. I've simmed probably 500 seasons and never seen anything like that.

5 years ago someone would have said a RB getting 30 rushing TDs in a season was ridiculously unrealistic.

Yes, but to be realistic, you have to compare it to real life as we know it. And real life as we know it has seen nothing close to those stats ever occurring. Hence the stats are not realistic. When someone in real life gets close to that, then those numbers will become realistic

[Rizon]

Tim Brown was on pace at one point in a season* for 48 TDs.






* 3 TDs in first game of 97

[Chubby]

Yes, but to be realistic, you have to compare it to real life as we know it. And real life as we know it has seen nothing close to those stats ever occurring. Hence the stats are not realistic. When someone in real life gets close to that, then those numbers will become realistic


:rolleyes:

[Vinatieri for Prez]

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

[MalcPow]

Hey Beli-Shorty, I'm guessing you've got no adjustments to cool things off when you're up big?

You'll get yours when you bust out the red hoodie. :)

[Synovia]

Yes, but to be realistic, you have to compare it to real life as we know it. And real life as we know it has seen nothing close to those stats ever occurring. Hence the stats are not realistic. When someone in real life gets close to that, then those numbers will become realistic

Ridiculous. Again, sample size. You sim 20 seasons, and you'll never see stats like this. You get one kid on a forum reporting a season like this out of thousands of simmers running thousands of sims? It can happen. Its a one-in-a-million type situation, but thats exactly what we have here: 1 player out of millions of seasons simmed. The game IS realistic. Outliers exist, and if there weren't outliers, the game wouldn't be realistic.

Part of having a SIM game is that you can change the parameters. You can do things that a coach in real life would never do. I can run every single play if I want. A real coach would never do that. I can pass every play. Its not "realistic" but is fundamentally necessary for a SIM.

If you never got crazy outliers, it wouldn't be. Again, the example of LdT with 28 rushing TDs two years ago... 5 years ago people would be saying that wasn't realistic. Now, it is. Why? Because we hit an outlier... A perfect storm type situation for a season. People said no one would ever break Marino's TD record. Its been broken twice in the last 5 years.


If Indy managed to get Randy Moss and Terrel Owens to play with Peyton Manning, I'd want the sim to throw up 60+ TD type numbers. I wouln't wan't it to say hes going to throw for 4000yds and 38 TDs because thats realistic, I want it to acurately predict what should happen given the player talent.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Ridiculous. Again, sample size. You sim 20 seasons, and you'll never see stats like this. You get one kid on a forum reporting a season like this out of thousands of simmers running thousands of sims? It can happen. Its a one-in-a-million type situation, but thats exactly what we have here: 1 player out of millions of seasons simmed. The game IS realistic. Outliers exist, and if there weren't outliers, the game wouldn't be realistic.

Part of having a SIM game is that you can change the parameters. You can do things that a coach in real life would never do. I can run every single play if I want. A real coach would never do that. I can pass every play. Its not "realistic" but is fundamentally necessary for a SIM.

If you never got crazy outliers, it wouldn't be. Again, the example of LdT with 28 rushing TDs two years ago... 5 years ago people would be saying that wasn't realistic. Now, it is. Why? Because we hit an outlier... A perfect storm type situation for a season. People said no one would ever break Marino's TD record. Its been broken twice in the last 5 years.


If Indy managed to get Randy Moss and Terrel Owens to play with Peyton Manning, I'd want the sim to throw up 60+ TD type numbers. I wouln't wan't it to say hes going to throw for 4000yds and 38 TDs because thats realistic, I want it to acurately predict what should happen given the player talent.

I think you missed my point entirely. I never said the game is not realistic, I said those particular stats were not realistic.

[Synovia]

I think you missed my point entirely. I never said the game is not realistic, I said those particular stats were not realistic.
In the context of this thread, thats exactly the same thing

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Nope.

[whomario]

Had my first real terrific receiver in a long time. Took over Green Bay 6 seasons ago and then had this guy slip to me at Number 8 one offseason. Actually i even traded down from Number 5 ...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/Mario84/Leopoldprofile.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/Mario84/Leopoldstats.jpg

Overall i had a really easy schedule this season i admit and my offense the last 2 seasons just clicking. This season "only" 18th in pass attempts at 36 a game. But it´s incredibly efficient, with 73% completion, only 5 Interceptions with 44 TDs, resulting in 4677 Passing Yards (4th in the league, the 2 league leaders are now 1 and 3 all time, QB level is high right now with 21 players rated 60+ and 11 players having a 90+ QB rating)

My O-Line is decent/good with all 4 starters between 49 and 60 along both the FB and the TE being good pass blockers with some qualities as short passing targets and even my RB (now 55 rated, but 1147 yards rushing) being a 72 in blitz pickup, guess that the complimentary pieces just mesh really well with each other and Leopold and my QB who is 61 Ovr with 94 reading defense and 82 accuracy being the great qualities.

really the first time i´ve been able to get a team to play just like i want and get the righ players. Actually i am way ahead of schedule propably because of that WR steal.