WW C - Sign-ups

[Barkeep49]

Yes it's that time. WW 100. Here's how it will work. Each player, as they sign-up, will be able to add a rule or a role to the game. This rule can't contravene someone's existing rule/role and I reserve the right to reject a rule if I feel it will unbalance the game beyond repair. After sign-ups are closed, which will happen on Tuesday August 19th at 18 PM Central, I will then go through the rules/roles and do as little adding as is necessary in order to balance the game. The idea is to have this game be decided upon by the community.

The basic rules are this:

Basic Rules which may Not be Changed
2 sides - Wolves and Villagers
Wolves may PM Freely
Will run on a 24 hour cycle ending at 9 PM Central

Basic Rules which may be amended
Win Conditions:
Wolves - Achieve 1:1 ratio of Wolves and Villagers
Villagers - Kill all wolves

Villager Role:
Seer - The seer may submit to the GM 1 name per cycle to learn if they are good/bad (exceptions to be noted)

Wolf Abilities:
The wolves may submit 1 name per cycle to be killed.

[Barkeep49]

Sign-Ups:
1. Alan T
2. hoopsguy
3. Purdue
4. EF
5. Schmidty (no rule submitted)
6. KWhit
7. Danny (no rule submitted)
8. SnDvls
9. Jackal
10. Lerriuqs (no rule submitted)
11. Chief (no rule submitted)
12. Clap
13. saldana (no rule submitted)
14. DT (no rule submitted)
15. J23 (no rule submitted)
16. Pass (no rule submitted)
17. dubb (no rule submitted)
18. jehienz
19. RendeR
20. JAG
21. ntndeacon
22. Lathum
23. Darth Vilus
24. nfg
25.
26.
27.
28.
29.
30.
More will be added as needed

[Barkeep49]

Rules/Roles Added:

Additional Rules
No player will be killed on Day 1. Instead the player with the most votes at deadline will have their role revealed, but will remain in the game.

Villager/Independent Roles
Serial Killer - Independent player who may kill.

Vigilante - One time kill which is performed immediately upon the GM receiving the action

Influential Player - Vote counts for double

Inferno Hunter - Searches for the Inferno Device, as a win condition. Once finding the device may choose to activate it or not.

Brutal Villager - If lynched may choose to have another player also die.

Psycho - Believes themselves to be the seer. Has a 50% chance of being correct with any scan.

Supreme Being of Safety - Bodyguard.

Wolf or Villager Roles

Gladiator - If lynched, will be able to name another player to "battle". The Gladiator will have a 60% chance of winning the battle. If the Gladiator wins, the other player will be lynched in his stead. If the Gladiator loses, the Gladiator will die.

Lover - Two players will have this role. They may freely communicate with each other via PM. However if one of these players dies both die.

Thief - May steal an item or role power from another player.

Shifter - Each day this player gets a point. This player may at anytime convert all of these points into extra votes for a particular player for one lynch vote.

Resurrector - May, once per game, bring a dead player back into the game as a vanilla player for their side (i.e. vanilla wolf or vanilla villager). If it was a player who was lynched, the resurrector may not have voted for that player.

Wolf Roles

Cultist - Counts as a villager for all purposes, except that he wins if the wolves win. At the start of the game he will have a list of all of the wolves, though he may not communicate with the wolves, and the wolves will not know who he is.

Mobster - Each day may put a player "on ice". This player may not vote or post that day.

[Barkeep49]

Important Posts:

[Alan T]

I'll sign up. I'll add one of my favorite roles that is hardly ever used.

The Serial Killer (a player usually an independent win condition, but can also win with one side or the other who wins a major victory if each player on their list that they start the game with dies before they die.)

[Barkeep49]

I'll sign up. I'll add one of my favorite roles that is hardly ever used.

The Serial Killer (a player usually an independent win condition, but can also win with one side or the other who wins a major victory if each player on their list that they start the game with dies before they die.)
Do you want to be specific about the role? I mean if you want to leave it vague, that's great for me since it gives me some flexibility with how to balance, but you should feel free to craft the role in a way you want.

[Alan T]

Do you want to be specific about the role? I mean if you want to leave it vague, that's great for me since it gives me some flexibility with how to balance, but you should feel free to craft the role in a way you want.

Wanted to leave it vague so it could be properly balanced for game purposes. I am sure this is going to get crazy, so didn't want to lock you in :)

[hoopsguy]

In.

Rule:
Vigilante role with one real-time kill per game, is immediately executed upon posting in the thread.

[EagleFan]

In.

Rule:
Vigilante role with one real-time kill per game, is immediately executed upon posting in the thread.

lol, read that completely wrong. Read befre and after the comma as two seperate conditions. Thought wow that sucks, you get executed as soon as you post... ;)

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, that would be kinda harsh :)

[PurdueBrad]

Guys, I would like to be in as well however my grandfather is likely to pass sometime in the next day or so. I would like to tentatively sign up as it'll be dependent on game start.

If this is okay, then I would like to add this role/rule: One player's (couldn't think of a name for the role) lynch vote always counts for two.

[hoopsguy]

BK, are you going to post on this in the General Discussion area? I know a couple of people had asked to be alerted when Game #100 rolled around and there might be others who want to come back to the fold for this particular game.

[EagleFan]

In.

Sorry to her about your grandfather PB.

Rule: No day one lynch, voting but no lynch. The leading vote getter has their role revealed but not lynched.

[Schmidty]

IN!!!

[Schmidty]

Also sorry about your grandpa PB. My grandma just fell and broke her hip, but is doing ok. But man, it scared me. I remember moderating The Thing and losing my Grandpa Schmidt, and how hard that was.

Anyway, regardless of whether you want them or not, prayers are coming your way.

[KWhit]

In

Gladiator role:

If this person is voted for lynch, he or she throws down the gauntlet against another player of his choosing. The two players then fight to the death - instead of a lynch occurring. Because of the Gladiator's skill at battle, he has a 60% chance of victory. If the gladiator wins, he is not lynched that night - the other player, however, is killed in battle. This occurs any time the Gladiator is voted for lynch.

The Gladiator may be a villager or a wolf - that is randomly determined, and of course kept secret until his/her death. This is not a public role and the player is only revealed to be the gladiator when he/she is first voted for lynch.

[Alan T]

IN!!!


So does this mean that the special rule/role Schmidty wants added is someone having to type in all Caps/Green font for the entire game? :)


I also echo the good wishes/thoughts for PB's relatives.

[Danny]

Sorry PB, I hope for the best for you and your family in these coming days.

[Danny]

I am IN! But not sure of my rule additional yet.

Also a friend of mine wants to play as well, but he is awaiting account approval after his first was denied (I guess for using a yahoo email address)

[PurdueBrad]

Thanks for all the good thoughts guys, I really appreciate it. You guys are a really great group of people.

[Barkeep49]

I am IN! But not sure of my rule additional yet.

Also a friend of mine wants to play as well, but he is awaiting account approval after his first was denied (I guess for using a yahoo email address)
You should PM Ben and let him know the name. That's the best way to ensure an approval.

[SnDvls]

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Lover/Twin role....where 2 people are paired up, can PM eachother, but if one dies they both die...can be wolf/villager or villager/villager. Try not to pair this up with any other special villager role i.e. seer etc. if possible.

[The Jackal]

Sorry to hear that, PB. All the best to you and your family in the coming days.

I'm definitely in. I've really enjoyed my inferno device mechanic, so pending BK's approval, I'd like to suggest that mechanic and the inferno hunter role.

The inferno device would start off in a random person at the beginning of the game, and the hunter will be able to search for it every night. Once the hunter finds the device, they can either activate it or de-activate it. If the hunter fails to find the device before the game is over, they lose. If they find it, they get a major victory. The role would count as a villager in the grand scheme of things, and winning with the village would be a minor victory.

If it turns out we end up with way too many players being able to kill other players, I can turn to something else.

[lerriuqs]

In.

Will try to get a rule of some sort in before the deadline.

[Danny]

This is going to be one crazy game! :)

[Chief Rum]

I am in. Reserving my right to add a rule/role. At this point in time, I wish to think on it some.

[Barkeep49]

Sorry to hear that, PB. All the best to you and your family in the coming days.

I'm definitely in. I've really enjoyed my inferno device mechanic, so pending BK's approval, I'd like to suggest that mechanic and the inferno hunter role.

The inferno device would start off in a random person at the beginning of the game, and the hunter will be able to search for it every night. Once the hunter finds the device, they can either activate it or de-activate it. If the hunter fails to find the device before the game is over, they lose. If they find it, they get a major victory. The role would count as a villager in the grand scheme of things, and winning with the village would be a minor victory.

If it turns out we end up with way too many players being able to kill other players, I can turn to something else.
This should be fine, though I reserve the right to change what the device does from your Labyrinth game.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA - I understand not everyone has a rule ready, and that's fine. Though I would hope not to get a ton of rules all at the last minute as it will make balancing harder.

[claphamsa]

Im in, and I get to be the brutal villegar!

[Abe Sargent]

Guys, I would like to be in as well however my grandfather is likely to pass sometime in the next day or so. I would like to tentatively sign up as it'll be dependent on game start.

If this is okay, then I would like to add this role/rule: One player's (couldn't think of a name for the role) lynch vote always counts for two.

Sorrys

[Abe Sargent]

I'm in but my availablility during the day will be very poor starting next Tues, as training starts, but I cannot miss this, just expect me to be less absent.

Let me think a nice rule.

[Abe Sargent]

Hmmmm. Do I use one of my quirky roles from the past or add an interesting rule ot the mix?

[DaddyTorgo]

oh fuck...i'm in

[DaddyTorgo]

maybe i'll think on a rule designed to get people posting more - although knowing my luck i'll be horribly busy at work and not that talkative...haha

[Abe Sargent]

Here's my rule:


In order to be voted off, a player must have a majority of the vote, not just a plurality. In other words, if there are 10 players, 6 must cast their vote on one person is order to vote them off.

[J23]

I'm in, but I'll have to figure out a rule to throw into the mix.

[The Jackal]

This should be fine, though I reserve the right to change what the device does from your Labyrinth game.

Sure, whatever tweaks you need.

[Passacaglia]

I'm in -- I'll think of a rule later.

[dubb93]

I'm in:

I want to go old school with an aux evil role. I want to see a cultist in the game, however I want him to have the list of evil wolves in the game at his disposal. I also do not want the wolves to know who he is. If he is attacked he should be killed, not converted.

[jeheinz72]

In!

For my role, I'd like to see the Fool in play. Always a fun one. Pretty standard, person who thinks he's the Seer but always sees the opposite.

Fool scans Wolf gets Villager
Fool scans Villager gets Wolf
Fool scans Seer gets Fool

Seer scans Fool gets Fool

[Danny]

Here's my rule:


In order to be voted off, a player must have a majority of the vote, not just a plurality. In other words, if there are 10 players, 6 must cast their vote on one person is order to vote them off.

Honestly, if we get 30 or so sign ups for this wouldn't this potentially add even more length to the game as this means day 1 a player may need 16 votes to be lynched. Not trying to poo poo on your suggestion, just not used to it in play and not sure how it would work out.

[Abe Sargent]

I ran it in Middle Earth. I always wanted revisit it!

[Alan T]

Honestly, if we get 30 or so sign ups for this wouldn't this potentially add even more length to the game as this means day 1 a player may need 16 votes to be lynched. Not trying to poo poo on your suggestion, just not used to it in play and not sure how it would work out.

We've had that rule in games with more than 20 players before. As long as people know ahead of time, it usually does not cause too much of a delay. It often leads to a day 1 no-vote that has a huge amount of conversation and participation as people debate whether it is better to vote or not, etc.. But usually by the second and third days and on, people make sure there is a lynch by settling on only a few candidates.

[Danny]

Ah ok, and EF has a rule in place for no day 1 lynch anyway.

[Danny]

What about this as a role? A player who every day he is alive accumulates one extra vote to his potential total, then he can use it when he chooses and the counter resets. For example, I decide not to use my power and live through night 1-3, I could then add 3 votes to my day 4 total if I want. If I do, my bonus goes back to 0 and I have to start over accumulating points.

[Schmidty]

What about this as a role? A player who every day he is alive accumulates one extra vote to his potential total, then he can use it when he chooses and the counter resets. For example, I decide not to use my power and live through night 1-3, I could then add 3 votes to my day 4 total if I want. If I do, my bonus goes back to 0 and I have to start over accumulating points.

That would be like a replenishable Duke. Kind of powerful, imo.

[DaddyTorgo]

toying with the thought of a rule where everyday the person with the least # of posts gets removed from the game...

[dubb93]

toying with the thought of a rule where everyday the person with the least # of posts gets removed from the game...

I fear that may do two things:

1. Discourage our less active posters not to sign up. This would hit the overseas players the hardest(MartinD comes to mind here). I would hate to discourage active players like him who never miss deadlines and never fail to get their actions in to not be able to play just because he lives overseas and is sleeping during the peak game hours.

2. Encourage players to post just for the sake of posting. I could see posts such as,

.

Repeated multiple times just to avoid a lynch.

[The Jackal]

I have to agree with dubb there. You could think of something else, like the person with the least amount of posts each day has to post in pink the entire next day, or something like that. ;)

[Schmidty]

I fear that may do two things:

1. Discourage our less active posters not to sign up. This would hit the overseas players the hardest(MartinD comes to mind here). I would hate to discourage active players like him who never miss deadlines and never fail to get their actions in to not be able to play just because he lives overseas and is sleeping during the peak game hours.

2. Encourage players to post just for the sake of posting. I could see posts such as,



Repeated multiple times just to avoid a lynch.

+1

No offense DT, but that would be awful.

[claphamsa]

I like the pink idea :P

[SnDvls]

toying with the thought of a rule where everyday the person with the least # of posts gets removed from the game...

sorry if this rule gets in you get a lot of crap posts from me that mean nothing and will probally piss alot of people off to have to go through pages of one word post from me.

The simple answer to this is vote to lynch those people if you must, but we all have our different styles. I choose not to add to the mess and confusion if I have nothing to add to a conversation. I suppose I could just say "I agree" and quote peoples posts I guess, but that still won't help.

my 2 cents

[RendeR]

In!


Mobster: Each day the Mobster may (put someone on ice) for 24 hours. The person may not post in the thread until after the following night's deadline.

[Barkeep49]

In!

For my role, I'd like to see the Fool in play. Always a fun one. Pretty standard, person who thinks he's the Seer but always sees the opposite.

Fool scans Wolf gets Villager
Fool scans Villager gets Wolf
Fool scans Seer gets Fool

Seer scans Fool gets Fool

Rather than having straight opposite can it be %, based on the remaining proportion? I think the straight opposite in effect adds a second seer as it becomes clear who the fool is.

What about this as a role? A player who every day he is alive accumulates one extra vote to his potential total, then he can use it when he chooses and the counter resets. For example, I decide not to use my power and live through night 1-3, I could then add 3 votes to my day 4 total if I want. If I do, my bonus goes back to 0 and I have to start over accumulating points.

I have no problem with this and think it works well in concert with a majority vote game. Do you want this to be your rule?

toying with the thought of a rule where everyday the person with the least # of posts gets removed from the game...

While I admire the spirit, I agree that in practice the rule becomes unworkable as people post meaningless posts causing me to have to keep a manual count of "real" posts. I would really prefer not to have to judge all that.

[JAG]

I'm in. I'll think of a rule in the next 24 hrs so you'll have time to do balancing.

[Abe Sargent]

I have to agree with dubb there. You could think of something else, like the person with the least amount of posts each day has to post in pink the entire next day, or something like that. ;)

Man, only PB can be eligible for that!!!

[Abe Sargent]

We don;t even have a bodyguard yet.

[The Jackal]

We don;t even have a bodyguard yet.

Where's Kevin Costner when you need him?

[JAG]

We don;t even have a bodyguard yet.

Boring!

I liked a couple of roles you came up with for the last big game, I might go with one of those.

[Abe Sargent]

I would be honored

[ntndeacon]

In

I like the Idea of a role of Thief who can steal the role or steal an item designed for the role. like stealing seer's cloak or fool's hat or Wolves claws or gun or something.

[dubb93]

Do I need to submit a rule in addition to the role I submitted?

[Barkeep49]

Do I need to submit a rule in addition to the role I submitted?
No. It's either or.

[Danny]

I fear that may do two things:

1. Discourage our less active posters not to sign up. This would hit the overseas players the hardest(MartinD comes to mind here). I would hate to discourage active players like him who never miss deadlines and never fail to get their actions in to not be able to play just because he lives overseas and is sleeping during the peak game hours.

2. Encourage players to post just for the sake of posting. I could see posts such as,



Repeated multiple times just to avoid a lynch.

How about person with the most posts in invulnerable to being lynched or night killed. I WOULD NEVER DIE!!!

[Danny]

I have no problem with this and think it works well in concert with a majority vote game. Do you want this to be your rule?


Let's go with this for my addition.

As a side note, I'm not sure if these abilities we are adding are specifically villager or if they can be wolf/villager? Should the wolves get roles that go either way from the ones players have listed here and the non use of the traditional roles brutal, cunning etc...? This way we can avoid a mass reveal. Normally the wolves would have a list of roles not in the game, but I'm not sure that works here because people can probably assume their chosen is in the game. Or if not, how are we going to handle this?

[Barkeep49]

Let's go with this for my addition.

As a side note, I'm not sure if these abilities we are adding are specifically villager or if they can be wolf/villager? Should the wolves get roles that go either way from the ones players have listed here and the non use of the traditional roles brutal, cunning etc...? This way we can avoid a mass reveal. Normally the wolves would have a list of roles not in the game, but I'm not sure that works here because people can probably assume their chosen is in the game. Or if not, how are we going to handle this?
Great questions. I have been adding some as either villager or wolf roles when it seems ambigous. People can correct me if they intended for their role to go one way or another. But this question, one that's certainly been on my mind, certainly seems like a great area for someone to create a rule or role about.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah, that's why i said toying with the idea...not sure it's workable. probably isn't the more i've thought about it. still thinking on a rule.

[SnDvls]

So I probally should modify my role/rule to exclude wolves (only villager/villager paring)...unless we get a bodyguard role in the game.

[Barkeep49]

yeah, that's why i said toying with the idea...not sure it's workable. probably isn't the more i've thought about it. still thinking on a rule.
Sounds good.

So I probally should modify my role/rule to exclude wolves (only villager/villager paring)...unless we get a bodyguard role in the game.

I'd prefer the flexibility, but am happy to honor your request either way.

[JAG]

So would this work for a rule?


At the start of day 4, the winning condition of one wolf and one villager (both randomly chosen) are swapped (so the wolf wins with the village, the villager wins with the wolves).


BK, if you want to sort out the details of that, feel free. I'll just throw some ideas after the basic one in case you want to use any of them but don't feel like you have to. In particular I'm unsure how to handle the wolf who learns that he now wins with the village.

Option a. Neither of these players know that their winning condition has been changed. (I don't support this option if it can be avoided, I don't think it's fun to try your best to win only to find out you really were hurting yourself)

Option b. For the villager who wins with the wolves, if all the remaining real wolves are killed off then they become the final wolf.

Option c. Only a 50% chance that this swap occurs.

Option d. The wolves have one opportunity to immediately kill who they perceive to be their traitor (has to be unanimous minus one). If they are correct, they immediately kill (3? 4?) additional villagers. Essentially this is the only way I could think of disuading the traitor wolf from doing a full reveal of the other wolves.


If you don't think this would work well, let me know and I'll come up with something else.

[saldana]

i would like in, rule to follow

[Lathum]

in

[Darth Vilus]

Hello everyone, I'm the friend Danny was talking about earlier. I'll sign up for the 100th if there's still room. I know how the game works but since I haven't actually played one before and don't have strategy yet I don't think I should really add a rule or role to the game. Thanks.

[Abe Sargent]

Yay, welcome!

[Darth Vilus]

Thanks so much Sargent :-)

[hoopsguy]

Darth, welcome to FOFC/OS werewolf. Looking forward to playing with you (and J23) this game.

[Danny]

So would this work for a rule?


At the start of day 4, the winning condition of one wolf and one villager (both randomly chosen) are swapped (so the wolf wins with the village, the villager wins with the wolves).


BK, if you want to sort out the details of that, feel free. I'll just throw some ideas after the basic one in case you want to use any of them but don't feel like you have to. In particular I'm unsure how to handle the wolf who learns that he now wins with the village.

Option a. Neither of these players know that their winning condition has been changed. (I don't support this option if it can be avoided, I don't think it's fun to try your best to win only to find out you really were hurting yourself)

Option b. For the villager who wins with the wolves, if all the remaining real wolves are killed off then they become the final wolf.

Option c. Only a 50% chance that this swap occurs.

Option d. The wolves have one opportunity to immediately kill who they perceive to be their traitor (has to be unanimous minus one). If they are correct, they immediately kill (3? 4?) additional villagers. Essentially this is the only way I could think of disuading the traitor wolf from doing a full reveal of the other wolves.


If you don't think this would work well, let me know and I'll come up with something else.

Honestly, the villager becoming wolf this is fine because it's like a convert, but I'm not sure any of the above mechanics will work out with a wolf becoming a villager.

[EagleFan]

Darth, welcome to FOFC/OS werewolf. Looking forward to playing with you (and J23) this game.

So you're not looking forward to playing with the rest of us? Bastard.... :eek: :D

[hoopsguy]

Eh, I can take or leave you guys :)

[Alan T]

Eh, I can take or leave you guys :)


I knew I should have put a role in that specifically said you had the ability to kill Hoopsguy at any time in the game you wish for the person who received that power.

[hoopsguy]

Careful, other people are still naming roles.

I already named a role that has that ability, although I should have put in a clause that it could not be used against Hoopsguy.

[nfg22]

Im in.
My role will be one of my favorite...
Psycho- Thinks they are psychic(seer) and will scan as a seer up on any and all role reveals but only has a 50% chance of being right on any scan. They will be given one scan a night and told they are the Seer.

[nfg22]

If that is not ok then let me know.

[nfg22]

They only have a 50% chance to be right on any of their seer scans. If that want clear enough.

[SnDvls]

Sounds good.



I'd prefer the flexibility, but am happy to honor your request either way.

it's your game. I was just thinking that without a BG and with a fool seer it might better balance the game...if you feel it's ok to have a possible wolf/villager combo then go for it.

[SnDvls]

dola - and with the added psycho role I think going back to my original rule/role would be better.

[Darth Vilus]

Thanks, I appreciate it Hoopsguy :-)

[Danny]

Thanks, I appreciate it Hoopsguy :-)

Hey, I don't think I told you, it's ok since nothing has started, but during a WW game we can't edit our posts.

Also don't trust AlanT, Hoopsguy, Lathum or Dubb or really anyone else for that matter

[Darth Vilus]

Hey, I don't think I told you, it's ok since nothing has started, but during a WW game we can't edit our posts.

Also don't trust AlanT, Hoopsguy, Lathum or Dubb or really anyone else for that matter

Alrighty, gotcha

[The Jackal]

Im in.
My role will be one of my favorite...
Psycho- Thinks they are psychic(seer) and will scan as a seer up on any and all role reveals but only has a 50% chance of being right on any scan. They will be given one scan a night and told they are the Seer.

Pretty sure heinz added a role that's exactly like this one.

[The Jackal]

Welcome aboard Darth.

[Darth Vilus]

Welcome aboard Darth.

Gracias :-)

[JAG]

Honestly, the villager becoming wolf this is fine because it's like a convert, but I'm not sure any of the above mechanics will work out with a wolf becoming a villager.

Alright, well maybe forget this rule and I'll think of something else today.

[jeheinz72]

Pretty sure heinz added a role that's exactly like this one.

Actually I'll change mine. I really only like the Fool when it's polar opposite. So if NFG likes it at half-chance then he can use that and I'll bite the bullet and add a Bodyguard.

But let's not call him the Bodyguard let's call him the Supreme Being of Safety.

[The Jackal]

Actually I'll change mine. I really only like the Fool when it's polar opposite. So if NFG likes it at half-chance then he can use that and I'll bite the bullet and add a Bodyguard.

But let's not call him the Bodyguard let's call him the Supreme Being of Safety.

Can't we call him Kevin Costner for fun? :)

[nfg22]

Actually I'll change mine. I really only like the Fool when it's polar opposite. So if NFG likes it at half-chance then he can use that and I'll bite the bullet and add a Bodyguard.

But let's not call him the Bodyguard let's call him the Supreme Being of Safety.

Sorry I didnt see yours. Mine was a little bit different but if you like yours I can change mine.

[SnDvls]

Can't we call him Kevin Costner for fun? :)

+1

[jeheinz72]

Sorry I didnt see yours. Mine was a little bit different but if you like yours I can change mine.

Nah it's all good I think BK wanted to basically alter mine to yours anyhow so we're gravy all around.

[Abe Sargent]

I am going to have to withdraw from this game. I will not have even the availability that I thought I would have over the next couple of weeks. August has always been tough in my line of work, and this will be even more/

Enjoy!

[claphamsa]

Thanks, I appreciate it Hoopsguy :-)
no editign posts!!!!

[The Jackal]

no editign posts!!!!

Be nice clap, or else Barca won't win anything this year.

[claphamsa]

Be nice clap, or else Barca won't win anything this year.
:P

and they will win! no one can stand in their way! (assuming their 17 year old FW can hold it down untill all the vets get not hurt)

[The Jackal]

:P

and they will win! no one can stand in their way! (assuming their 17 year old FW can hold it down untill all the vets get not hurt)

I'm pretty sure Madrid is trying very hard to stand in their way. And Bojan is 18 going on 19, by the way.

[Schmidty]

I can't think of a title for this role idea, but what about a villager who can bring back one player from the dead as a night action, once per day. I know that that is powerful, so as a drawback, the player (not the resurrected one) can never change their vote once they have cast it.

Anyway, that's just my first idea. If it's ok, let me know.

[RendeR]

I can't think of a title for this role idea, but what about a villager who can bring back one player from the dead as a night action, once per day. I know that that is powerful, so as a drawback, the player (not the resurrected one) can never change their vote once they have cast it.

Anyway, that's just my first idea. If it's ok, let me know.


What about limiting it by saying if the player voted for that person to be lynched they cannot bring them back? So they have to be more certain of their votes?

[The Jackal]

Bring back multiple dead people to the game could be fatal to the wolves, though if BK feels it'd balance out with a serial killer and any other insta-deaths or what not, I could see it. Maybe put a limit on the # of people they can bring back, 1-3 or something? And I like RendeR's idea of not being able to resurrect someone you've voted for.

[Schmidty]

What about limiting it by saying if the player voted for that person to be lynched they cannot bring them back? So they have to be more certain of their votes?

I think that's a pretty good idea, and wouldn't mind having that instead.

[Schmidty]

Bring back multiple dead people to the game could be fatal to the wolves, though if BK feels it'd balance out with a serial killer and any other insta-deaths or what not, I could see it. Maybe put a limit on the # of people they can bring back, 1-3 or something? And I like RendeR's idea of not being able to resurrect someone you've voted for.

I was only thinking of it as a one-time deal.

[The Jackal]

I was only thinking of it as a one-time deal.

Ah, okay, you did say once per day, so that signaled to me that it was something that could be used multiple times.

[Schmidty]

Ah, okay, you did say once per day, so that signaled to me that it was something that could be used multiple times.

Doh!!!

My bad - that was a brainfart. I meant once per game.

[The Jackal]

Doh!!!

My bad - that was a brainfart. I meant once per game.

Then it sounds like a very interesting role. You could even spin it like a Martyr role where that person could sacrifice himself to bring someone else back from the dead.

[Barkeep49]

So would this work for a rule?


At the start of day 4, the winning condition of one wolf and one villager (both randomly chosen) are swapped (so the wolf wins with the village, the villager wins with the wolves).


BK, if you want to sort out the details of that, feel free. I'll just throw some ideas after the basic one in case you want to use any of them but don't feel like you have to. In particular I'm unsure how to handle the wolf who learns that he now wins with the village.

Option a. Neither of these players know that their winning condition has been changed. (I don't support this option if it can be avoided, I don't think it's fun to try your best to win only to find out you really were hurting yourself)

Option b. For the villager who wins with the wolves, if all the remaining real wolves are killed off then they become the final wolf.

Option c. Only a 50% chance that this swap occurs.

Option d. The wolves have one opportunity to immediately kill who they perceive to be their traitor (has to be unanimous minus one). If they are correct, they immediately kill (3? 4?) additional villagers. Essentially this is the only way I could think of disuading the traitor wolf from doing a full reveal of the other wolves.


If you don't think this would work well, let me know and I'll come up with something else.

We've had wolf traitors before and it's a very awkward role, for several reasons, honestly. I think Option D has some potential to make it work, and I will do my best to make it work if you want this as your rule.

[Barkeep49]

Hello everyone, I'm the friend Danny was talking about earlier. I'll sign up for the 100th if there's still room. I know how the game works but since I haven't actually played one before and don't have strategy yet I don't think I should really add a rule or role to the game. Thanks.
Welcome! It's great to have you join us. While I understand your reasoning I would, in the Wikipedia fashion, encourage you to Be Bold and submit a rule anyway.

[Barkeep49]

Im in.
My role will be one of my favorite...
Psycho- Thinks they are psychic(seer) and will scan as a seer up on any and all role reveals but only has a 50% chance of being right on any scan. They will be given one scan a night and told they are the Seer.

Can you clarify what the bold part means?

[Barkeep49]

Actually I'll change mine. I really only like the Fool when it's polar opposite. So if NFG likes it at half-chance then he can use that and I'll bite the bullet and add a Bodyguard.

But let's not call him the Bodyguard let's call him the Supreme Being of Safety.

Love the name. Can you detail the powers you want the SBOS to have?

[Barkeep49]

I can't think of a title for this role idea, but what about a villager who can bring back one player from the dead as a night action, once per day. I know that that is powerful, so as a drawback, the player (not the resurrected one) can never change their vote once they have cast it.

Anyway, that's just my first idea. If it's ok, let me know.

I added it to be a role for either the wolf or village. If you want it to be a village only role let me know.

[Barkeep49]

A lot of people, and you know who you are, haven't submitted any rules yet. I hope to have final rules out Wednesday morning (quite possibly very early Wednesday morning). So you have until then to submit your rules. Please submit a rule or role. I think the game will be a lot cooler that way.

If you have submitted a rule I would encourage you to check-out the rules to make sure I worded it in a way that you like. If not please speak-up.

As a final note, since he withdrew please note that Abe's role has also been withdrawn.

[henry296]

I'm in.

I'll propose the Soothsayer rule, but the statement to be scanned can't have the word wolf or villager.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, thought of a role.

The Chameleon

Regular villager until Night Three. On Night Three, may choose to change ("chameleon") into any role in the game, with full rights of that role.

The catch: Either, (1) the Chameleon is revealed (no role announced) on Day Four--so people know you're the Chameleon, they just don't know what role--or (2) on Day Four, the fact that a new particular role has been added to the game is announced--so your role is out there, but not your identity.

Some possible additions/caveats:

No PM rights can be gained this way, even if that role normally has them
Certain roles can be made off limits.
The Chameleon is neutral at the start, with own win conditions (set by the GM), or neutral until choosing a role and then, either (a) take on the allegiance of that role; or (b) take on the opposite allegiance of that role.

How does that sound?

[jeheinz72]

Love the name. Can you detail the powers you want the SBOS to have?

Nothing too crazy. Maybe the ability to see or kill who he blocked. I'll leave that up to you as wiggle room for balancing. Not picky here

[nfg22]

Can you clarify what the bold part means?

I just mean that if anyone can find out roles, that they will scan as a seer. Basically no one but the moderator will know whether they are really the seer or not.

[JAG]

We've had wolf traitors before and it's a very awkward role, for several reasons, honestly. I think Option D has some potential to make it work, and I will do my best to make it work if you want this as your rule.

Alright, I'm going to nix the idea altogether. I have a role I wouldn't mind seeing, but I'd prefer to make a rule since we have quite a few roles out there already.

Let's go with this random one: You can't vote for someone who has voted for you earlier in the day. This restriction is removed if the voter unvotes you or if there are 8 or fewer players remaining.

Feel free to massage the rule as needed.

[dubb93]

I am being unfairly branded as having not submitted a rule when I clearly submitted a role. I have no issue submitting a rule at this point if it is insisted I do.

[The Jackal]

I am being unfairly branded as having not submitted a rule when I clearly submitted a role. I have no issue submitting a rule at this point if it is insisted I do.

I'm sure it was just a clerical error.

[dubb93]

I'm sure it was just a clerical error.

But I was looking forward to a "Dubb93 makes the rules up as the game progresses" rule.

[lerriuqs]

I'll add in the Brutal Wolf.

Also, not sure when this game is starting but I won't be around all day Wednesday or Friday this week...or Tuesday next week - got some golfing to take care of...:)

[lerriuqs]

Alright, I'm going to nix the idea altogether. I have a role I wouldn't mind seeing, but I'd prefer to make a rule since we have quite a few roles out there already.

Let's go with this random one: You can't vote for someone who has voted for you earlier in the day. This restriction is removed if the voter unvotes you or if there are 8 or fewer players remaining.

Feel free to massage the rule as needed.

What if said voting comes down to you and them in a two player runoff...Doesn't seem like good sport to hurt them in a lynch when their neck is on the line...

[JAG]

What if said voting comes down to you and them in a two player runoff...Doesn't seem like good sport to hurt them in a lynch when their neck is on the line...

I would advise trying to avoid that situation from happening early on.

But if Barkeep thinks that's too out there he can add something to the rule about the restriction being removed if the two players are the top vote getters after a certain amount of time or whatever other alteration.

[J23]

Well, here's a rule I thought of though I'm not sure how it will play out. Accept/Reject/Modify as necessary.

When a lynch occurs, if the village lynches a wolf, all of those who voted for that person have their vote counted as double for the next lynching. If the village lynches a villager, those voting for that person would have their votes count as half for the next lynching. Any kind of power used to change the lynch target from the majority would nullify this rule for that vote.

[Passacaglia]

Chatty -- May choose to PM freely with a different person each day, can be wolf or villager

[Passacaglia]

i.e. the person who has the role can be wolf or villager

[saldana]

my submission for a role...and to increase the chances of it being used, i would suggest about 20% of the village have it.

you are the whiny bitch..you constantly annoy other WW players by whining about how you die on the first day or night all the time and then you go to the whining thread and bitch about it some more...if you are the target of the night kill on the first night, or the winner of the lynch vote on the first day, you will be spared, just so no one has to listen to you cry like a little girl for the next 8 or 10 days while the game continues to be played.

[path12]

Put me down for this. I have no rule/role to add though.

[EagleFan]

my submission for a role...and to increase the chances of it being used, i would suggest about 20% of the village have it.

you are the whiny bitch..you constantly annoy other WW players by whining about how you die on the first day or night all the time and then you go to the whining thread and bitch about it some more...if you are the target of the night kill on the first night, or the winner of the lynch vote on the first day, you will be spared, just so no one has to listen to you cry like a little girl for the next 8 or 10 days while the game continues to be played.

Sounds like someone got some sand in their va....

:eek:

[claphamsa]

I think I qualify for that rule :P

[Autumn]

That's classic, Saldana

[Passacaglia]

my submission for a role...and to increase the chances of it being used, i would suggest about 20% of the village have it.

you are the whiny bitch..you constantly annoy other WW players by whining about how you die on the first day or night all the time and then you go to the whining thread and bitch about it some more...if you are the target of the night kill on the first night, or the winner of the lynch vote on the first day, you will be spared, just so no one has to listen to you cry like a little girl for the next 8 or 10 days while the game continues to be played.

That's awesome. I was actually thinking of creating a corollary to my PassPoints, which would have me put down my initial vote on whoever was whiniest from last game (unless someone starts racking up PassPoints before I can even check in).

[SnDvls]

do we have a start time yet for this? Probally Monday at the soonest now I bet

[Alan T]

Based on conversation I had with BK about something entirely unrelated to WW, my impression was that he is back home next week, so I would guess he is aiming for something like that as well... but that is just a guess.

[Schmidty]

Helloooooooo-helloooo-helloooo-hellooooooooo!!

Is anyone here-here-here-here?

[DaddyTorgo]

LOL

[KWhit]

Is this like the Y2K bug?

[PurdueBrad]

I just figured you guys were playing the 100'th game in secret on some other forum. I take back all the mean things I mumbled about you all. Except EF and Jackal.

[EagleFan]

I just figured you guys were playing the 100'th game in secret on some other forum. I take back all the mean things I mumbled about you all. Except EF and Jackal.

You didn't say anything bad about Jackal and me? I knew you were a great guy.

:D

[The Jackal]

You didn't say anything bad about Jackal and me? I knew you were a great guy.

:D

Miracles can happen!

[SnDvls]

hey people are padding their posts even before the game starts. I call B.S. on this :)

[Alan T]

hey people are padding their posts even before the game starts. I call B.S. on this :)

:+1:

[KWhit]

This game's dead.

Times 100.

[claphamsa]

what

[claphamsa]

is

[claphamsa]

post

[claphamsa]

padding

[EagleFan]

the

[EagleFan]

doh!!! didn't see there was more.

[SnDvls]

post whores

[The Jackal]

BK is a showman, he knows how to build suspense.

[EagleFan]

post whores

postwhoresnextdoor?

[ntndeacon]

maybe I need to post something else here so it doesn't appear I am being under the radar as much!

[Alan T]

Maybe someone quietly snuck in a rule to make the game start without anyone being told!

Vote Chief Rum

[Abe Sargent]

If this game doesn't start until next Wednesday or later I can come back in.

[lerriuqs]

vanilla villager checking in

[EagleFan]

vote lerriuqs

I never believe someone who checks in like that.

[lerriuqs]

and I can't trust anyone who doesn't believe me...

Vote EagleFan

[Schmidty]

Vote Blade6129292940658459

Feeling old-school today.

[SnDvls]

in

[nfg22]

...

[claphamsa]

in before the lock!

[Abe Sargent]

In after the lock!

[path12]

I've gotta drop out. This game will run into vacation.

[EagleFan]

I've gotta drop out. This game will run into vacation.

Hey, where are your priorities? :devil:

[RendeR]

pussy >>>>>>>>>> werewolf

[ntndeacon]

Vote path

let's vote him out before he drops out!

[Passacaglia]

Vote path

let's vote him out before he drops out!

You're just saying that so you don't get voted D1 yourself. :p

[claphamsa]

vote pass~

[ntndeacon]

You're just saying that so you don't get voted D1 yourself. :p

Well Duh! Clearly I am the biggest threat in this game, and so will be voted for on day 1. ;)

[path12]

Vote path

let's vote him out before he drops out!

Deadline!

path was lynched and found to be awesome. Carry on!

[Abe Sargent]

And sexy!

[Autumn]

Is this the longest pre-game thread yet? Or at least the longest lasting.

[EagleFan]

I think the longest lasting. I could have sworn that there was a game about a year back that had about 6 pages before the game started.

[SnDvls]

has anyone checked or heard from BK to make sure he's doing ok?

[Darth Vilus]

any idea when this is gonna get underway?

[jeheinz72]

Darth we don't actually ever play the games. We just sign up, tell a buncha inside jokes and wait for someone to start a new sign-up thread.

Someone really should've clued you in, that wasn't nice.

:)

[KWhit]

Has anyone heard from Barkeep? He seemed to just drop off the face of the earth. He hasn't even logged in since the 21st.

I hope everything is okay.

[Alan T]

Has anyone heard from Barkeep? He seemed to just drop off the face of the earth. He hasn't even logged in since the 21st.

I hope everything is okay.


I think he is fine, he just got back from his overseas vacation and with school starting up I'm guessing he's been trying to re-acclimate and possibly been busy. Someone interested likely could drop him an AIM if they see him on there (I never log on to AIM much lately because I've been busy with work)

[EagleFan]

I hope everything is okay with BK. I may be getting close to a time where I will have to withdraw from the game. I am going to be onsite supporting a client from the 14th to the 5th and doubt that I will have much time available for WW during that time period.

[Danny]

We all know there is no way you will still be alive by the 14th

[Passacaglia]

I think he is fine, he just got back from his overseas vacation and with school starting up I'm guessing he's been trying to re-acclimate and possibly been busy. Someone interested likely could drop him an AIM if they see him on there (I never log on to AIM much lately because I've been busy with work)

I dunno, I think KWhit's explanation made more sense. I mean, he went to Australia, right? I hear that falling off the earth is actually a big risk down there. No wonder he got to go there for free -- everyone else is too smart to go to a place when you're basically rappelling every step you take!

[Abe Sargent]

Someone less busy that me should start WW CI and we can come back to C laters.

[Danny]

If you want someone less busy and that you, then you should go ahead and get it started

[claphamsa]

I have seen him on AIM 2-3 times, and have said hi and last night asked him if he knew he was missing, there has never been a response!

[SnDvls]

Has anyone heard from Barkeep? He seemed to just drop off the face of the earth. He hasn't even logged in since the 21st.

I hope everything is okay.

huh...I must be on KWhit ignore list

[RendeR]

I just tossed him an IM and got nothin.

[The Jackal]

I just tossed him an IM and got nothin.

+1

[Danny]

He's trying to milk the start to get a few hundred extra posts before the game even begins in order to break the non dungeon record.

[EagleFan]

We all know there is no way you will still be alive by the 14th

:rant:

vote Danny


:devil:

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm sure BK is just swamped. He prolly got back from Aussie-land and had a bunch of "setting up classroom" type things to do in not a lot of time. No worries...the lil break is nice.

[Alan T]

i'm sure BK is just swamped. He prolly got back from Aussie-land and had a bunch of "setting up classroom" type things to do in not a lot of time. No worries...the lil break is nice.


It gives time for werewolves to ponder over who they would like to eat first a little longer.. and for villagers to get more silver crosses and stakes.. oh wait, that is vampires right?

[Lathum]

I am also assuming BK is just busy with school.

I am on break from classes and have a game ready to go. However, I don't want to start without BK's permission.

[Abe Sargent]

Lathum, you are next on the GM sign up list, so just do it.

[Lathum]

Lathum, you are next on the GM sign up list, so just do it.

I would just as soon wait a bit.

With it being tuesday already and the holiday weekend we probably wouldnt begin until next tuesday anyway

[Darth Vilus]

alright, obviously something happened to barkeep in the land down under so here is what i propose, danny and i should head down there on a rescue/rehabilitation mission. i saw Crocodile Dundee so i know how to deal with the locals. should be back within a few days. and im taking danny cuz someone always goes down on these types of missions and we can afford to lose him. anyone else want in?

[hoopsguy]

Darth, I like the way you think ... Danny is an excellent choice for your #2/"red shirt".

[Schmidty]

Someone should just do a small game because I'm getting the itch.

[EagleFan]

Someone should just do a small game because I'm getting the itch.

They make an ointment for that.

[DaddyTorgo]

They make an ointment for that.


do they make one for the clap too? :D

[Abe Sargent]

Man, I could have fit The Dungeon! 2 into this break.

[claphamsa]

do they make one for the clap too? :D
its called boubon!

[Chief Rum]

I think at some point, we have to call this and move on to the next game, 100th game or not. We have waited long enough.

[Schmidty]

I think at some point, we have to call this and move on to the next game, 100th game or not. We have waited long enough.

Amen.

[EagleFan]

I am going to have to step out of this one. Going on site on the 14th and will be there for three weeks.

Of course....

What is the over/under on this happening by the 5th of October? ;)

[Danny]

Guys, it will no longer be WW 100 technically, but what if I plan on running this over the winter break? That's really the only time I am able to run a game before summer.

[Autumn]

I am going to have to step out of this one. Going on site on the 14th and will be there for three weeks.

Of course....

What is the over/under on this happening by the 5th of October? ;)

Hmm, I should have taken over.

[JAG]

Guys, it will no longer be WW 100 technically, but what if I plan on running this over the winter break? That's really the only time I am able to run a game before summer.

When is your winter break?

If it works for my schedule, it's fine by me. It will give people time to come up with roles / rules.

[Danny]

It's around Dec 10th to January 20th. I'll still have fieldwork during some of that time, but that's only two days a week and during the day, so it won't impact running a game like my classes do.

[Abe Sargent]

It will always be WWC

[JAG]

It's around Dec 10th to January 20th. I'll still have fieldwork during some of that time, but that's only two days a week and during the day, so it won't impact running a game like my classes do.

If you run it post-holidays, that would work out well for me.

[Danny]

True, and I would still like to have this run through as I thought it was a fun idea. I think we usually have a hiatus over the Holidays, but perhaps this could be the game we run when we come back from them in early January or the last game we run before the holidays.

[Danny]

If you run it post-holidays, that would work out well for me.

Yeah, that would probably work out best. Maybe somewhere around a January 5th start date.

[Lathum]

I'll echo what everyone else says about after the holiday