What Do You Make Of This Guy

[nickelback]

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Didn't interview him as I'm trying to learn to draft without interviews. I've ran the same draft twice so far. First time after training camp he went from 7/27 to 8/19 (could have been that very high vol.) and the second time he went +1.

[miked]

I don't understand...is he supposed to be good? He's 4% developed, has a sol score that doesn't put him in the top tier of QBs (or barely the middle tier) and his other attributes aren't so great. What exactly are you trying to learn?

[Dandelion]

I don't understand...is he supposed to be good? He's 4% developed, has a sol score that doesn't put him in the top tier of QBs (or barely the middle tier) and his other attributes aren't so great. What exactly are you trying to learn?

I guess he just tries to find a pattern between combine values and those rises/drops at the 1st TC - about the same what I'm doing right now.

First time after training camp he went from 7/27 to 8/19 (could have been that very high vol.) and the second time he went +1.

Could either be a volatility hit of -6 to -8 on the first attempt, a volatility hit of +6 to +8 on the second attempt or a true +1 on the second attempt ;)
For how that guy might develope take a look here (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=74046) and hope that Ben's theory holds true.

I prefer to do at least five runs of the same TC to see a pattern emerge. And even that is an awfully low number.

[nickelback]

Well I'm looking mostly at combines. He was a red in dash and had blue scores in bench, agility, broad jump and position drill. And a lot of those combines were second or third best in this whole QB class. I guess I'm having a hard time understanding how a guy with these types of combines can never become the player they suggest. If this guy had good bars with these combines, someone would grab him in a heartbeat.

[MIJB#19]

4% developed, yet his experience is close to maximum already!?
Weird combo, to say the least...

The red dash score is easiliy explained: Gozzi loves to run with the ball.
The blue scores elsewhere are also looking valid, with his long/deep passing, his sense rush and his timing. I'd expect him to end up roughly as scouted.

[Hammer]

You would know more if you scouted him, but he isn't anything special at first glance.

[nickelback]

4% developed, yet his experience is close to maximum already!?
Weird combo, to say the least...

The red dash score is easiliy explained: Gozzi loves to run with the ball.
The blue scores elsewhere are also looking valid, with his long/deep passing, his sense rush and his timing. I'd expect him to end up roughly as scouted.

So are you going by his blue bars or grey bars. I've always looked at grey bars to try and determine whether a player is under or over rated. Should I be looking at the lenght of their blue bars?

[Hammer]

Isn't that experience tag purple? I'm struggling to see.

[MIJB#19]

So are you going by his blue bars or grey bars. I've always looked at grey bars to try and determine whether a player is under or over rated. Should I be looking at the lenght of their blue bars?the length of the blue bars just tells you how bad your scout is at scouting quarterbacks. Better scouts give shorter bars.
I'm basing my comments on the combine scores. Some combines scores are a strong terll about whether the player is good in some skills. The four good combine scores are all sort of confirmed by where the blue bars are located. All that together makes me think your quarterback will see his green bars end up inside the blue areas, as you'd expect players to.

[nickelback]

So when comparing combines to what bars the correlate too, you need to be looking at the location of the blue bars. Is that what I'm getting from this? And if the combines don't match up with the length of the blue bars, that determines underrated and overrated?

[MIJB#19]

Well, it ain't as clearcut as I wrote it. :D
I'm just matching the information that you gave (red for 40-yd dash, blue for other combine scores) and notice that the blue bars you posted all cover the area where I'd expect them to reach into.

For example: if I see a DE with a blue 40-time (and about middle of the pack between those DE with blue 40-times), I'm expecting his pass rush technique blue bar to cover most of the 50-75 (out of 100) area. When we see the red/green for the first time, I'm expecting the green to end in the middle of that 50-75 area. If the blue bar is mostly in the 75-100 range, I'd figure the player is overrated. If the blue bar doesn't even get past the 50, then I'd expect the player to be underrated. If I really like that player, I'm going to interview him to figure out whether the orange bar will still be in the area where it should be in.

Again, it ain't cut and dry logics, but it does help to have a general sense of which combine scores match which individual skills to give you a clue about whether your scout did a good job or a horrible job on figuring out how good that player is.