WW CVI: Evil Star Trek--GAME OVER!! (Results in Post #643)

[Chief Rum]

Space...the Final Frontier...

Mirror, Mirror is an original Star Trek episode that is considered one of the best of the original series. It's a personal favorite of mine, not only because of the usual reasons (Star Trek, baby), but the UIC on this one is through the roof, especially viewed through the prism of time. Come on, a replica alternate dimension--but evil? The now cliché concept of the Evil Twin? Promotion--through assassination? The fabled "he has a goatee, he must be the evil twin" theme? An episode that feels like it was solely written to show off Uhura in risqué outfits during the 60s?

It doesn't get more golden than that. I present to you Evil Star Trek, our next WW adventure... To Boldly Go, Where No Man (Except Gene Roddenberry...) Has Gone Before...


http://www.primeexample.com/christianskitscripts/mirror_mirror.jpg

Kirk is featured here in the more outlandish uniform of the evil universe as he tries to figure out how to get back to a universe where Chekov isn't trying to kill him. Notice Uhura's kickin' bod and ripped midriff in the background.

The starship USS Enterprise is beaming back its away team--including Capt. James T. Kirk--from its most recent mission when it is hit by an unexpectedly powerful ion storm. In the physics defying way that can only happen on a TV show, the transporter beam has crossed into an alternate realty and stranded our captain and his companions in an alternate realty Enterprise, where things are somewhat familiar and yet altogether wrong. For one thing, everyone's evil in this alternate universe! Even Spock.

Meanwhile, the evil Kirk and his away team are similarly accidentally beamed to the "good" universe. Will Spock--good Spock--figure out what's going on? Can good Kirk find his way back to his own universe? Will evil Kirk willingly return to his own universe when he could rule in this one?

The villagers in this one will be trying to return things to what they should be. The wolves will be fighting to survive--no matter what universe they're in!

For more information on Mirror, Mirror, feel free to read up its Wiki page (link at end of paragraph). This game will be based around the conventions and characters of the original Star Trek universe and take some story elements from this episode, but not all elements in the episode or the universe will necessarily be used or be exactly the same. A little knowledge of the show is useful, but not necessary to play.

Mirror, Mirror Wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror,_Mirror_%28TOS_episode%29)

http://www.lothere.com/verso/page/images/1085/mirror_mirror.jpg

Kirk and evil Spock assessing an unexpected situation. How do you know it's evil Spock? Dude, look at that goatee, he's obviously evil!!!

[Chief Rum]

BASIC GAME DETAILS

This section will likely be expanded as we go along, but this is where the basic game details will be posted.

I anticipate getting this game up and going by Tuesday (with roles going out either early Monday night or late Monday night, depending on if I can get everything set to go out from work Monday afternoon).

I believe it is important we get this one going fairly soon, as Thanksgiving is looming. A Tuesday start will ensure this game will end well before the holiday break.

This will be a one "necessary" deadline game (i.e. a 24 hour, one deadline per day, game). That deadline will be a 9 p.m. EST/6 p.m. PDT.

I believe any later than that is just too late for the East Coast folks, but any earlier, and West Coast folks (like me) find it hard to get home from work in time.

There will be no weekend play.

I am still working out some of the finer balancing details and one of the details in the balance is a possible optional midday trivia contest deadline, in which the winner may obtain an item of some use in the game. If this optional trivia deadline is used (and I reserve the right to not do it--this will be fully spelled out in the Game Rules & Roles), it will likely be somewhere from 4 p.m. to 5 p.m. EDT.

But this second deadline, if used, is entirely optional, and it is not necessary to be present or to participate whatsoever to play in the game.

Standard WW posting rules will generally apply, and where they differ, I should note in the rules (or if I forget some detail, just ask me, of course). Voting, or any other public actions, will need to be BOLDED to be counted. Caps helps it to stand out, but only the bold is necessary for the vote/action to count.

Votes/actions/PMs will be accepted up to and through the "zero" time (i.e. votes will be accepted up to and including 9:00 p.m. on the forum clock; votes at 9:01 p.m. and beyond will count for the next day).

Although there will be a lot of color and some key differences, for the most part, this should be basic WW play, with the usual roles in place, but maybe dressed up to fit the story or for balance.

I can take as many players as wish to play, although ideally no more than 20 to be sure to not unnecessarily hit the holiday break.

If enough players sign up, this game will be a two thread game (two smaller games running concurrently), an "evil universe" thread and a "good universe" thread. But if the sign up list is light, I have a modified version that will work in one universe (one thread).

Up to two days per week (Mondays and Wednesdays), I work at a second job at night and will not be available at deadline. The deadline remains the same, but I will run the results when I return from work. I may get someone to run the results for me, but that is still to be determined.

[Chief Rum]

I have decided to go with the single game/thread universe, as it will be easier to manage. If this game goes well, I might at some point re-do this theme with the two universe concept.

GAME RULES

This game happens aboard the Starship ISS Enterprise--in the alternate "evil" universe.

An away team from the universe we know as the "good universe" have been beamed into the evil universe and are trying to get back. They are the wolves. Physically, they resemble the evil versions of themselves, whom have also been accidentally beamed to the good universe. For now, Spock, back in the good universe, will have to deal with the evil versions that have shown up they are. We are only concerned with the evil universe.

In this universe, the villagers are actually "evil". They are this universe's standard crew, and they are trying to determine if the new arrivals are their comrades from before, or mysteriosuly good-natured copies who will instead sabotage the evil crew's continuing attempts to do evil things.

Except where otherwise noted, the goal of the village is to find and eliminate the wolves. Villagers win the game when all wolves have been lynched/removed from the game.

The goal of the wolves will be to reduce the village to even numbers, so that they can take over the ship and thus find a way to return back to their own universe. The wolves will know each other's identities and will be able to PM with each other, as usual. There will be a number of possible roles in this game. The wolves will be aware of how many roles will be in the game, but not which roles are present.

The wolf role of Kirk, and the villager role of Evil Spock are guaranteed to be in the game.

There is one "game moving" deadline per day, at 9 p.m. EST/6 p.m. PDT. All actions submitted will be good up to and through the "00" minute, but count toward the next day after that. Any night/private actions can include conditionals. I reserve the right as game moderator to interpret any instructions given as I see fit, if I cannot reach a player for further clarification.

All night/private actions are due by the 9 p.m. deadline.

Additionally, the village will vote each day to throw a player in the brig, rank be damned, in its effort to uncover the wolves. The player with the most votes from the village will be thrown in the brig and removed from the game (there is no "release" from the brig in this game) at each daily deadline.

No "no lynch" votes will be accepted. In case of a tie, one player will be placed in the brig. The tiebreaker method is secret.

POSSIBLE VILLAGER ROLES

Evil Commander Spock Evil Spock is Kirk's second in command. Every night, Spock can choose to enter another player's quarters and mind meld with them to determine their identity. No player in the game will know they have been mind-melded by Spock, except for Kirk, who is so familiar with his best friend's mind that he will recognize the meld and remember it upon awaking. Spock also has the ability, one time per game, to apply a Vulcan nerve pinch on any player, incapacitating that player for a full day. This ability can be used either as a night action or at any point in the day.

Evil Ensign Chekov Evil Chekov is the ship's navigator and an ambitious young man. He is skilled with the knife and always has one on him, awaiting an opportunity to assassinate Kirk to become captain. One time in the game, Chekov may attempt to attack a player. If that player is Kirk, Chekov will not succeed in killing him--but Kirk will be revealed for who he is. If that player is not Kirk, that target will be killed. If the target is a wolf (but not Kirk), the wolf will kill Chekov at the same time. If the target is not a wolf, Chekov will be thrown in the bring and removed from the game. Chekov cannot reveal in the game, or he will lose his kill ability, as his attack relies on surprise.

Evil Lieutenant Sulu Evil Sulu, in addition to being the ship's pilot, is also skilled in martial arts and ancient weaponry. As such, he serves as security officer when he is not at his post on the ship's bridge. Every night, he may guard one player per night. If the player is protected, any action taken against the player that night--regardless of intent or the allegiance of the action taker--will not work. Sulu will be unaware of who performs an action against his protectee, but he will be aware that an attempt was made. Sulu may not protect himself, and may not protect the same player on consecutive nights.

Evil Doctor McCoy The ship doctor, Evil McCoy has the ability to keep an eye on one player per night. If that player is attacked, McCoy has a chance to save him. If McCoy succeeds, the player will be unable to participate in the game for one full day, but will not be removed from the game and will return after he/she heals. McCoy can only do this once per game. McCoy's healing powers cannot stop the target from dying if Kirk is the killer, nor can he stop Spock from dying, regardless of his attacker, due to his own ambiguity about the Vulcan. He cannot heal himself.

Evil Lieutenant Uhura The ships' communication specialist. Uhura is so persuasive a speaker and communicator that she may, one time in the game, persuade the ship's crew to throw another player in the brig.

Evil Commander Scotty The ship's chief engineer. Two times per game, he may choose to follow a player at night and observe his actions, using the personal cloak shield he has been working on in his quarters. He may not follow a player more than once. As he is a very hard worker in the day time, Scotty needs his sleep, so he cannot follow a player on consecutive nights.

Evil Lieutenant Nurse Chapel McCoy's chief assistant in the medical ward. Evil Nurse Chapel is particularly empathic and has the ability to, one time per game, look at a post in the game and determine if that player is telling the truth. This ability will not work if used on a post by either the villager or wolf role of Doctor McCoy, as, good or evil, she is convinced McCoy is an honorable man and will not believe herself if she sees he is lying and will only report he told the truth.

Evil Yeoman Janice Rand Rand has a crush on Kirk and is insanely jealous of Lieutenant Marlena Moreau, the evil Kirk's woman. Every night, Rand may investigate a player, and if that player is Marlena, she will be revealed to Rand. If Kirk is lynched, Rand will commit suicide.

Evil Lieutenant Kyle The ship's transporter engineer feels guilty about the mishap that caused the accident, and having been attacked with an Agonizer, he has become delusional and paranoid. He has convinced himself he is Evil Spock. He will have all of Spock's abilities but his reads of players will be random. He will be able to perform the Vulcan Nerve Pinch and it will work, but if he does, Evil Spock will lose his ability, as he will believe it is not a logical action to take at this time. If Kyle discovers Evil Spock's identity, he will lose all of his powers and essentially be just another Ensign Smith.

Evil Ensign Smith This is the standard ensign making up the rest of the village. Anyone following the series will know that these ensigns are particularly susceptible to dying, but have no other ability.

POSSIBLE WOLF/AMBIGUOUS ROLES

Good Captain Kirk Masquerading as the ship's captain, Kirk is the highest ranked wolf. He will remember if Spock mind melds him and McCoy cannot save a victim of Kirk's attack. With his high rank, he has access to the Evil Kirk's personnel records on the ship's crew and can search for the identity of any player in the game. He cannot kill and search on the same night. He will not be able to bring himself to kill his best friend, Spock, even the evil version.

Good Uhura Masquerading as the ships' communication specialist. Uhura is so persuasive a speaker and communicator that she may, one time in the game, persuade the ship's crew to throw another player in the brig.

Good Scotty Masquerading as the ship's chief engineer. One time per game, Scotty can sabotage the ship engines. Dealing with this emergency will take all ship's personnel, so no lynch will happen that day.

The remaining wolves will be "good" versions of the above evil roles listed in the village section, except for Spock (good Spock is not in this game). The cunning and brutal powers common to WW games may be assigned to any of them.

Evil Marlena Moreau The beautiful Marlena Moreau is the captain's woman. She will know who the wolves are to start, but they will not know her. If they attack her, she will convert to their side to help them get back to their universe. She will be able to communicate with them, but she will still count as a villager for win condition purposes.

DAILY TRIVIA DEADLINE

Every day, at 4:30 p.m. EST, an easy trivia question about Star Trek will be posted in the forum. The first PM to me with the correct answer will receive a prize. These trivia contests will not start until Day Two.

Possible prizes are a "free night of personal bodyguard", "one avoid bodyguard protect", a phaser with max setting stun, a phaser with max setting kill, a tricorder to be used to save oneself from attack, an Agonizer (evil universe tool), a Tantalus Field (evil universe tool), and so forth. Details of the prize will be announced the previous evening in the night writeup.

It is not necessary to participate in the trivia contest. The contest may be won by either wolves or villagers.

[Chief Rum]

Player List

1. hoopsguy-- Night Killed Day Three (an Evil Ensign Smith)
2. PurdueBrad-- Night Killed Day Two (Evil Lt. Sulu)
3. The Jackal-- Framed by Mr Scotty/the brutal; Brigged Day Four (Evil Lt. Uhura)
4. Schmidty-- EVIL ENSIGN SMITH, lived to end of game.
5. lerriuqs-- Brigged Day Six (the Good Doctor McCoy)-- WOLF!!
6. KWhit-- Brigged Day Two (Lt. Evil Marlena Moreau)--CULTIST!!!
7. Daddy Torgo-- Brigged Day Four (Good Mr. Scotty--brutal)-- WOLF!!!
8. Darth Vilius-- Brigged Day Five (Good Captain Kirk)-- WOLF!!!
9. Danny-- Night Killed Day Three (an Evil Ensign Smith)
10. Lathum-- Day Killed By Chekov Day Two (an Evil Ensign Smith)
11. J23-- Brigged Day Two After Killing Evil Ensign Lathum (Evil Ensign Chekov)
12. Render-- Night Killed Day One (Yeoman Janice Rand)
13. dubb93-- EVIL ENSIGN SMITH, lived to end of game.
14. JAG-- Night Killed Day Four (an Evil Ensign Smith)
15. ntndeacon-- Brigged Day One (an Evil Ensign Smith)
16. Telle/claphamsa-- THE EVIL SPOCK, lived to end of game

[Chief Rum]

RULE CHANGES/CLARIFICATIONS

7:42 a.m. MON 11/09 (B4 GAME)-- Changed wolf role knowledge from absolute knowledge of roles in the game to just knowing the number of roles in the game.

[hoopsguy]

In, and expecting to become the new "default guard - N1" decision any day now. It is clearly a higher probability play now than "guard self".

[Passacaglia]

By "necessary" deadline, do you mean that you have to be online for it?

[PurdueBrad]

In

[The Jackal]

Sounds awesome, I'm in

[Schmidty]

I'll be in.

[lerriuqs]

In...I was going to take this game off, but I can't pass up a Star Trek game...

[KWhit]

Same here. I'm in.

[Lathum]

do you need knowledge of star Trek?

I saw you said it will be pretty basic with flavor, just making sure, because I hate Star Trek, yet love werewolf...

[DaddyTorgo]

In...I was going to take this game off, but I can't pass up a Star Trek game...

what he said.

IN

[Darth Vilus]

In!

(I call star wars for my game though)

and what is a reserved post?

[Lathum]

and what is a reserved post?

The GM will reserve the second and third post in the thread. That way they can go back and edit it to out in rules, etc...

[Lathum]

In!

(I call star wars for my game though)



certainly nothing wrong with doing Star Wars, but we did have a Star Wars game once before.

[Darth Vilus]

nevermind then, mustv'e missed it when i was reading the previous games :-)

[Lathum]

nevermind then, mustv'e missed it when i was reading the previous games :-)

IIRC it was more focused on the newer ones with Sith lords, etc...

I'm thinking of tackling the Matrix as my next game.

[Danny]

Ok, I am in

[Darth Vilus]

VOTE DANNY!

[Darth Vilus]

IIRC it was more focused on the newer ones with Sith lords, etc...

I'm thinking of tackling the Matrix as my next game.

where's IIRC? I thought of the matrix too but couldn't think of a good way to transform it into WW. Good luck with that one!

and I want a hand phaser!

[Lathum]

If I Recall Correctly

[Chief Rum]

By "necessary" deadline, do you mean that you have to be online for it?

I mean necessary deadline as in a regular deadline. You don't have to be present, but that's the one that drives the game, like usual WW games.

[Chief Rum]

do you need knowledge of star Trek?

I saw you said it will be pretty basic with flavor, just making sure, because I hate Star Trek, yet love werewolf...

Naw, no Star Trek knowledge is needed. If you read the Mirror, Mirror Wiki link (mostly the plot), that will help a lot to understand what's going on in the story at least, but even that's not necessary. Just reading the rules & roles (when posted) should be all you need to play.

The optional midday trivia deadline (if I do that) will involve knowing Star Trek a little, but no one needs to participate in that. Plus, the questions asked will be relatively simple. They aren't regular Jeopardy hard. Think Celebrity Jeopardy. :)

[The Jackal]

i'll take therapists for 500

[hoopsguy]

I'm thinking of tackling the Matrix as my next game.


Make it good :) I've considered doing this theme as well several times but just never followed through on it.

[Lathum]

in

[J23]

I'm in

[RendeR]

OK ok, I'm in, even if I've lost all respect for Lathum.

hate Star Trek? nobody HATES Star Trek. Its... its just wrong.

[Lathum]

I liked the new movie FWIW

[RendeR]

OK you get a few points back then =)

[dubb93]

I'm in. I love star trek, but haven't seen the new movie. If it is anything like what I've heard though I will probably hate it.

[Lathum]

I'm in. I love star trek, but haven't seen the new movie. If it is anything like what I've heard though I will probably hate it.

That surprises me, from what I have heard fans of the original really enjoyed the movie

[Schmidty]

That surprises me, from what I have heard fans of the original really enjoyed the movie

Yep.

It was awesome.

[JAG]

I loved this episode of the original series, probably my favorite one. I'm in.

[ntndeacon]

in like tiberius

[Chief Rum]

I will be updating the game rules and roles throughout Sunday as I watch football.

[Telle]

I'll play.

[Lathum]

I think Hoopsguy should be the gay asian dude

[Chief Rum]

I think Hoopsguy should be the gay asian dude

Only if he can speak in that low voice. :)

I am trying to write up the roles right now. I forgot how long this stuff can take, lol.

Still on schedule for roles to be sent out tomorrow evening, probably before I head to the other job, Tuesday being Day One.

[Chief Rum]

I am hoping to get to 20 players. I am leaning toward keeping this one thread, one universe if I don't, as essentially, the two universe concept is a two concurrent game concept that requires balancing within each universe.

The two game concept is a fun one with a lot of potential, while the single thread, one universe game is more of a basic game. But I'm going to go with the one that is easier to balance, and right now that is the one universe concept.

If we get enough players, I'll switch out the rules for the two game concept.

[RendeR]

I'm in. I love star trek, but haven't seen the new movie. If it is anything like what I've heard though I will probably hate it.


You will either love it or hate it.

If you hate anything that changes the original series canon then you'll hate it.

If you love the universe and enjoy new and entertaining storylines, you will absolutely cream your jeans.

[Chief Rum]

Rules and roles have been posted.

[hoopsguy]

Would it be possible for both versions of a Star Trek character to be present? For example, Evil Scotty and Good Scotty? From a show perspective, I would expect the answer to be "no" but based on the limited "good" roles I am guessing the answer is "yes".

[Chief Rum]

Would it be possible for both versions of a Star Trek character to be present? For example, Evil Scotty and Good Scotty? From a show perspective, I would expect the answer to be "no" but based on the limited "good" roles I am guessing the answer is "yes".

Actually, with nine good roles (not counting the ensign and not counting Marlena), that's a decent set to operate out of, IMO. Heh, heh, maybe I'll have to cook up a couple more possibilities to screw with yer mind, hoops.

There will be no duplicates (no Good and Evil Scotty in the same game). This will follow the show concept; the evil versions of the wolves are presumed to be in the good universe at the moment.

[Chief Rum]

Found a use for that extra reserved post after the player list (Post #5).

Having put up rules and roles, I will note what changes I have made or clarifications that came up in this post, including the date and time.

This way, anyone reading the rules will know if the changes were added in or made before or after they originally read the rules, and give everyone one psot to look at for changes, instead of having to search the lengthy rules/roles post for the changes.

[JAG]

Found a use for that extra reserved post after the player list (Post #5).

Having put up rules and roles, I will note what changes I have made or clarifications that came up in this post, including the date and time.

This way, anyone reading the rules will know if the changes were added in or made before or after they originally read the rules, and give everyone one psot to look at for changes, instead of having to search the lengthy rules/roles post for the changes.

That's an excellent idea and is welcome considering I typically read over the rules multiple times during a game.

[PurdueBrad]

That's an excellent idea and is welcome considering I typically read over the rules multiple times during a game.

+1 (and wishing I had thought of this!)

[DaddyTorgo]

i hate that the video won't link in here...damn vbulletin

[Schmidty]

Ok, I'm getting bored.

Let's get it going!!! :)

[Schmidty]

*twiddling my thumbs*

[Chief Rum]

*twiddling my thumbs*

Patience, chemosabe. For some reason, my boss expects me to work while I am here. After I'm done, I'm going to get things going before skipping off to my other job (around 7 p.m. EST).

[DaddyTorgo]

For some reason, my boss expects me to work while I am here.

:eek:

well that's just silly!!!

[Chief Rum]

All right, putting together the PMs and roles should be out soon.

Please, if you receive your PM, do not post here in the thread until I have officially started the game. Thanks!

[Schmidty]

All right, putting together the PMs and roles should be out soon.

Please, if you receive your PM, do not post here in the thread until I have officially started the game. Thanks!



YOU MEAN I HAVE TO WAIT EVEN LONGER????? GAH!!!!!!!


(I haven't actually gotten my PM, btw)

[Danny]

I am voting DaddyTorgo for all of those deleted posts which as a mod I can still see.

[Lathum]

I am voting DaddyTorgo for all of those deleted posts which as a mod I can still see.

ohhhhhh, aren't you cool...

[Chief Rum]

All roles have been PM'd out.

I will be leaving for my second job now. Feel free me to post questions here or PM me, and I will get back to you when I return.

The deadline is tomorrow at 9 p.m. EST/6 p.m. PDT

THE GAME HAS NOW BEGUN!!

Good luck, everyone.

[Chief Rum]

FTR

All ensigns were told in their PMs that they are "a regular Ensign Smith."

They are actually all Evil and win with the village. This is the standard non-roled villager.

Please do not use initial PMs to ferret out roles.

[Lathum]

I am happy to say I am finally a plain old villager.

[PurdueBrad]

Happy to be a player again! I enjoyed running the game but I wanted to jump in.

[J23]

evil dude (villager) checking in

[Schmidty]

13 roles, and only 3 Ensign Smiths, and I get the crappy Smith.

I'm sorry guys. I'm better with a role, so I might stink this game. At least if I get voted off because of my whining, you won't be losing anything.

[hoopsguy]

I am happy to say I am finally a plain old villager.

13 roles, and only 3 Ensign Smiths, and I get the crappy Smith.

I'm sorry guys. I'm better with a role, so I might stink this game. At least if I get voted off because of my whining, you won't be losing anything.

Hmm, if there are actually three regular old Smiths then we either have them already between the three of us or someone is lying.

Does it actually say in the roles "three normal villagers, everyone else w/roles"? I'm guessing no ...

[Danny]

ohhhhhh, aren't you cool...

Thank you for noticing :D

[The Jackal]

checking in, i should be around a fair amount tomorrow

[JAG]

13 roles, and only 3 Ensign Smiths, and I get the crappy Smith.

I'm sorry guys. I'm better with a role, so I might stink this game. At least if I get voted off because of my whining, you won't be losing anything.

Rules say 'possible villager / wolf roles', so it may be that not every role is in the game. Only the wolves know for sure how many roles there are (not implying you're a wolf, just letting you know there could be 4 roles or 7 roles or you might be right and there are a full 13).

[Danny]

I would bet strongly there is no where near 13 roles actually in the game.

[Danny]

Oh and 16 players, I think we likely have 4 wolves no convert or 3 wolves and the convert. 4 wolves and a convert seems overkill for only 16 players.

[lerriuqs]

Checking in...Will be around as much as I can - though not likely around much during the day tomorrow...

[dubb93]

I'm here. Glad to see the game is underway.

[RendeR]

Checking in, I think we have a whole lot of lying scheming........really loyal officers of the empire!!


*looks around scathingly at everyone*

[Darth Vilus]

just letting everyone know again that I have to work tomorrow so I'll have to vote early in the day

[DaddyTorgo]

checking in

[Chief Rum]

Midnight check in.

Man, I'm tired from two jobs. :p

Just as a reminder, there is NO trivia contest on Day One, so no need to look for any surprise trivia question tomorrow. That will start on Day Two.

Further, if you have a "day action", the sort where you drop a PM to me to trigger it, or if you have a question that relates to your vote, I highly recommend you do this/ask this before 7 p.m. EST daily, as I will be in transition from my main job from that point until probably a half hour before deadline.

While I am at work, I will check in "between files", which computes to roughly 45 mins to an hour and a half per check-in. If time is an immediate issue during the workday, you may email me at my work email mkieta AT firstam DOT com (replace AT with @ and DOT with '.', of course), and I will get back to you as soon as I can. After hours or the weekend, just PM me here.

And some GOOD NEWS. One of my co-workers at my second job is hard up for cash (no, she's not that hard up), and she has bribed me into giving up my Wednesday night shift. Which wasn't hard to do, of course, since I wanted to be home to run the game at the deadline, but I didn't tell her that. ;)

So there should be no delay in the Wednesday late deadline, and we won't have to be concerned about my second job until next Monday.

[DaddyTorgo]

PHEW

as i was walking down the driveway into the office today I went "OH SHIT DID I MISS THE DAY ONE DEADLINE!?!?!?!" and I was freaking out. Just had a somewhat busy night last night and got distracted by the book I was reading "Too Big to Fail" by Andrew Sorkin, as well as CBS Monday comedies

Glad to see I didn't.

[KWhit]

Checking In.

I'm just a vanilla villager. Or evil ensign smith, if you rather.

So since I'm a redshirt, does that mean I'm gonna die soon?

[Telle]

Checking in. And so far everyone except ntndeacon has checked in.

[DaddyTorgo]

Checking In.

I'm just a vanilla villager. Or evil ensign smith, if you rather.

So since I'm a redshirt, does that mean I'm gonna die soon?

haha

[PurdueBrad]

I originally was going to challenge all the vanilla reveals with mine but then I realized that not all roles are possibly in play. Oh well.

[dubb93]

Vote JAG

I hate that show.

Plus he seems to know that the wolves know what roles are in the game, I think I missed that part of the rules.

[RendeR]

Checking In.

I'm just a vanilla villager. Or evil ensign smith, if you rather.

So since I'm a redshirt, does that mean I'm gonna die soon?



Duh.

[RendeR]

Vote JAG

I hate that show.

Plus he seems to know that the wolves know what roles are in the game, I think I missed that part of the rules.



You just missed that part of the rules, its on page one =)

[Lathum]

Vote Telle


just because

[RendeR]

Bleh.

[PurdueBrad]

I'll go ahead and throw out a third candidate. Darth, I'm sorry, I'm a Star Wars guy too and we definitely don't belong on this ship!

vote Darth

[dubb93]

You just missed that part of the rules, its on page one =)

Ah, horsepiss. I thought I had caught him in something there.

Unvote Jag

I still hate that show.

[KWhit]

I'll go ahead and throw out a third candidate. Darth, I'm sorry, I'm a Star Wars guy too and we definitely don't belong on this ship!

vote Darth

Star Wars and Star Trek fans can peacefully coexist. I'm all about tolerance.

[J23]

Star Wars and Star Trek fans can peacefully coexist. I'm all about tolerance.

That sounds awfully nice for an evil crewman...

[hoopsguy]

I do not think tolerance has a place in our ship. Only the weak-willed impostors would express such a sentiment.

VOTE KWHIT

[The Jackal]

Ah, horsepiss. I thought I had caught him in something there.

Unvote Jag

I still hate that show.

but katherine bell is so sexy

[KWhit]

That sounds awfully nice for an evil crewman...

The evil/good thing is totally gonna screw me up in this game like it did in the Nazi game. I was about to come back with "I'm NOT evil!" but then I remembered. It's confusing for us simple minded folk.

[KWhit]

I do not think tolerance has a place in our ship. Only the weak-willed impostors would express such a sentiment.

VOTE KWHIT

Bah.

[dubb93]

but katherine bell is so sexy

Are you defending JAG? Is there a connection here we should know about? ;)

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, it is a Day 1 vote - I've got no larger logic behind it. I'll figure out later if there is a reason to move it.

Although, what usually happens is that my Day 1 candidate picks up steam, gets lynched as a villager, and I have to answer for it for the rest of the time I'm alive ...

[KWhit]

KWhit, it is a Day 1 vote - I've got no larger logic behind it. I'll figure out later if there is a reason to move it.

Although, what usually happens is that my Day 1 candidate picks up steam, gets lynched as a villager, and I have to answer for it for the rest of the time I'm alive ...

I know. But I can still say, "Bah."

Bah.

[JAG]

For what it's worth, I wasn't a fan of the tv show JAG myself.

[Darth Vilus]

I'll go ahead and throw out a third candidate. Darth, I'm sorry, I'm a Star Wars guy too and we definitely don't belong on this ship!

vote Darth

Lol, we should band together then :-) Unless you're evil. Or should i say good?

[Darth Vilus]

so what u doin fri danny boy?

[Danny]

so what u doin fri danny boy?

I'm off Friday, probably can't use my dad's house again though. Maybe golfing.

[Darth Vilus]

that sounds fine. oh and me and ur dad are battling for 1st place!

[Danny]

that sounds fine. oh and me and ur dad are battling for 1st place!

Nice! Next week is the placement round?

[Darth Vilus]

no this week, it all goes down fri night

[Danny]

Cool

So for the werewolf game, I have class tonight so will have to vote fairly early and probably wont be able to check in during class since I am presenting tonight.

[Darth Vilus]

VOTE NTNDEACON,

haven't heard anything from him yet

[Lathum]

very quiet so far

[The Jackal]

my internet has been awful all day

[Danny]

Vote J23

No reason for this other than he seems to never have any early pressure applied to him.

[Chief Rum]

Vote count as of Post #109

Telle (1)-- Lathum (85)
Darth Vilus (1)-- PurdueBrad (87)
KWhit (1)-- hoopsguy (91)
ntndeacon (1)-- Darth Vilus (106)
J23 (1)-- Danny (109)


Yet to vote: Just about everyone. ;)

[J23]

Not sure how to respond Danny, other than my voting history this game is flawless so far!

Vote ntndeacon

Voting for the lone person yet to check in for now. I'll be around until 7:30EST or so, then likely out for the night.

[J23]

Hmm, somehow bold got applied to everything. In case of confusion...

vote ntndeacon

[Lathum]

so if someones whole post is bolded does their vote count?

[Chief Rum]

so if someones whole post is bolded does their vote count?

If I see it, sure. But obviously that goes against the purpose, and I offer no guarantees I will see it and count it. ;)

[The Jackal]

I'll give NTN a couple more hours to show up before I make a vote

[Danny]

Uh oh, J23 with the dreaded first second vote ;)

[lerriuqs]

I agree with Hoopsguy - tolerance is not permitted...

Vote Kwhit

Heading home now. Should be on again before deadline.

[DaddyTorgo]

my afternoon got busy so I haven't been around. Won't be forgetting that it's D1 today though so I'll vote after dinner. Because of course my D1 vote is so vital.

[J23]

Uh oh, J23 with the dreaded first second vote ;)

Time to switch votes for the dreaded first vote switch as well? Dare I?

[JAG]

ntn is usually busy on Mondays as I recall. I'll slap a vote on later, zip to go on to this point obviously.

[Danny]

Time to switch votes for the dreaded first vote switch as well? Dare I?

That would be the double whammy and would likely ensure your demise

[Chief Rum]

Vote count as of Post #121

KWhit (2)-- hoopsguy (91), lerriuqs (117)
ntndeacon (2)-- Darth Vilus (106), J23 (111)
Telle (1)-- Lathum (85)
Darth Vilus (1)-- PurdueBrad (87)
J23 (1)-- Danny (109)


Yet to vote: The Jackal, Schmidty, KWhit, DaddyTorgo, Render, dubb93, JAG, ntndeacon, Telle

[Danny]

Leaving in a few, I see no reason to change cmy vote

[Chief Rum]

I called in sick today (long story, no, not really sick).

As a result, I actually have time to get a work out in in the day, which is what I am about to do. That will probably make me incognito for the next two hours. I will return around 8 p.m. EST, and will answer any questions needed at that point.

Deadline is the same time.

[dubb93]

I'm going to throw a vote out.

Vote NtNDeacon

He's yet to show up.

[EagleFan]

:popcorn:

[Danny]

Getting a chance to check in from class, are we sure this isn't sleeping star trek?

[J23]

Heading out until after deadline. For what it's worth, I'll say once again that I'm a villager and you shouldn't lynch me :p

[DaddyTorgo]

let's keep it close between the two leading vote-getters right now. i'll be around for the next half hour or so then i gotta head out till after deadline. happy to move my vote if something starts to happen before i go

VOTE KWHIT

[JAG]

With nothing else striking me as overly suspicious (that is, no Shatner-like acting performance), I'll vote for the MIA player, and apologies in advance if it's anything overly srious keeping you away.

VOTE NTN

[KWhit]

I'm gonna be really ticked off if I'm voted out instead of someone who hasn't even made an appearance in the thread.

[Lathum]

Unvote telle
Vote KWhit

[Telle]

VOTE NTNDEACON

Might change if he actually shows up before deadline.

[Chief Rum]

Vote count as of Post #133

ntndeacon (5)-- Darth Vilus (106), J23 (111), dubb93 (125), JAG (130), Telle (133)
KWhit (4)-- hoopsguy (91), lerriuqs (117), DaddyTorgo (129), Lathum (132)
Darth Vilus (1)-- PurdueBrad (87)
J23 (1)-- Danny (109)


Yet to vote: The Jackal, Schmidty, KWhit, Render, ntndeacon

[Lathum]

My vote likely stands, it's my wedding anniversary and we are heading to the Melting Pot to stuff ourselves, plus having a pregnant wife means I can drink all I want!

Hope we get a wolf!

[Telle]

Votes as of post #133:

1 - Darth Vilus - PurdueBrad (87)
4 - KWhit - hoopsguy (91), lerriuqs (117), DaddyTorgo (129), Lathum (132)
5 - ntndeacon - Darth Vilus (106), J23 (112), dubb (125), JAG (130), Telle (133)
1 - J23 - Danny (109)

Yet to vote: The Jackal, Schmidty, KWhit, Render, ntndeacon

[Telle]

My vote likely stands, it's my wedding anniversary and we are heading to the Melting Pot to stuff ourselves, plus having a pregnant wife means I can drink all I want!

Hope we get a wolf!

Happy anniversary!

[Chief Rum]

My vote likely stands, it's my wedding anniversary and we are heading to the Melting Pot to stuff ourselves, plus having a pregnant wife means I can drink all I want!

Hope we get a wolf!

Heh...have fun, Lathum. Give Molly our best. ;)

[RendeR]

Lets see what happens in a tie:

Vote KHWIT

[RendeR]

I feel like someone drugged me after dinner. Sorry I haven't been on but I passed out on the couch for no good reason.

[KWhit]

I feel like someone drugged me after dinner.

That explains your vote then.

:)

[RendeR]

No the vote is a good one at this point. I want to see shenanigans at deadline. if we have two people tied, something is going to happen.

[lerriuqs]

I see now reason to change my vote...being Day 1 and all.

[lerriuqs]

now = no...stupid fat fingers...:banghead:

[Chief Rum]

now = no...stupid fat fingers...:banghead:

I thought yes meant no.

[Chief Rum]

Vote count as of Post #145

ntndeacon (5)-- Darth Vilus (106), J23 (111), dubb93 (125), JAG (130), Telle (133)
KWhit (5)-- hoopsguy (91), lerriuqs (117), DaddyTorgo (129), Lathum (132), Render (139)
Darth Vilus (1)-- PurdueBrad (87)
J23 (1)-- Danny (109)


Yet to vote: The Jackal, Schmidty, KWhit, ntndeacon


Roughly ten minutes to go!

[Schmidty]

Finally here for the first time today. I'm glad that there isn't so much to catch up with. My vote will come shortly.

[Schmidty]

Vote ntndeacon

[KWhit]

Time check.

[KWhit]

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Chief Rum]

Vote count as of Post #149

ntndeacon (6)-- Darth Vilus (106), J23 (111), dubb93 (125), JAG (130), Telle (133), Schmidty (148)
KWhit (5)-- hoopsguy (91), lerriuqs (117), DaddyTorgo (129), Lathum (132), Render (139)
Darth Vilus (1)-- PurdueBrad (87)
J23 (1)-- Danny (109)


Yet to vote: The Jackal, KWhit, ntndeacon

[Chief Rum]

Vote count as of Post #151

ntndeacon (7)-- Darth Vilus (106), J23 (111), dubb93 (125), JAG (130), Telle (133), Schmidty (148), KWhit (150)
KWhit (5)-- hoopsguy (91), lerriuqs (117), DaddyTorgo (129), Lathum (132), Render (139)
Darth Vilus (1)-- PurdueBrad (87)
J23 (1)-- Danny (109)


Yet to vote: The Jackal, ntndeacon

[Chief Rum]

Time check

[Chief Rum]

And that's deadline.

[Chief Rum]

Post #152 appears to be the final tally.

Writing up the results...

[Danny]

Was hoping to be on for deadline, but oh well. I think we will be villager/villager today.

[Chief Rum]

The transporter accident has left everyone on board the ISS Enterprise wary and suspicious. No one seems prepared to say much of anything, for fear their words will bring the brig mob to them. And once in the brig, no one gets out.

Before long, two candidates have emerged--KWhit and ntndeacon. The crew appears to be uncertain, but happy they themselves aren't on the block. KWhit protests that he is evil through and through. Not a word comes from ntndeacon.

Indeed, it seems in his attempt to not say anything suspicious, ntndeacon's very disappearance act has brought a cadre of redshirts to him, clamoring to put him away for his good.

ntndeacon is the choice. Without saying a word, he silently accepts his fate and is taken to the brig. His redshirt matches the ones on his captors as he is led away.

NTNDEACON WAS THE EVIL ENSIGN SMITH!!!

Well, one of them anyway. A villager bites the dust.

[lerriuqs]

Was hoping to be on for deadline, but oh well. I think we will be villager/villager today.

Given the lack of movement, you're probably right.

[Chief Rum]

Night results coming.

[RendeR]

And yet again a Redshirt is the first to die.....

[Danny]

Cant really argue the choice since Ntn wasn't here, but I think some early voters on him is a good place to start looking for wolves. There was the lack to check in excuse used to vote him pretty early on.

[RendeR]

Ok laundry time....blah.

[Chief Rum]

When the first shift returns to active duty first thing in the morning, the cafeteria staff signals that one of its workers has not shown up for duty.

Another group of redshirts is called out to investigate the yeoman's quarters. Using his access pass, the lead of the security team enters the missing crewmember's quarters--and makes a gruesome discovery.

This yeoman has been murdered, brutally beaten to death. A following search of the quarters found little of suspicion, except for what appears to be a face shot portrait of the Evil Capt. Kirk and a torn up photo of someone who is difficult to make out, but might be Lt. Marlena Moreau.

RENDER HAS BEEN KILLED!!!

She was the Yeoman Janice Rand!

[Chief Rum]

The next daily deadline is 9 p.m. EST / 6 p.m. PDT.

The first ever trivia deadline will be at 4:30 p.m. EST / 1:30 p.m. PDT. At that time, a trivia question about Star Trek will be asked. The first player to PM me the correct answer will receive a prize.

The trivia contest is optional, and no one is required to participate or be present (unless you want to win the prize, of course).

The Day Two prize, is an Agonizer, a horrible torture tool of the evil universe. With a tool like this, the holder might be able to change some people's minds against their will.

[Schmidty]

Sorry deacon. Wish you had been around to defend yourself.

[Schmidty]

So who was Rand?

[Schmidty]

Oh, it was Render. Had to check the front page.

[Chief Rum]

So who was Rand?

Good point. I edited in the critical info there.

[Chief Rum]

Oh, it was Render. Had to check the front page.

Naw, you didn't, my bad, I forgot to include that, lol. I edited it above.

[RendeR]

W T F???????


I come back into the fold and I get night killed on niught 2 and night 1 consecutively? If y'all don't want me to play just say so =)

[Chief Rum]

W T F???????


I come back into the fold and I get night killed on niught 2 and night 1 consecutively? If y'all don't want me to play just say so =)

When I went through a stretch like that, I decided to take a positive look at it and be honored that the wolves are that afraid of me. :)

[The Jackal]

wow guys i'm so sorry i didn't vote, i thought i was going to be around but had to leave the house unexpectedly and didnt get back till now, my bad

[The Jackal]

my vote was gonna be on NTN, as i had indicated, and it would've been no good anyways

[J23]

Cant really argue the choice since Ntn wasn't here, but I think some early voters on him is a good place to start looking for wolves. There was the lack to check in excuse used to vote him pretty early on.

Why would an early vote be any more telling than a late vote?

[RendeR]

When I went through a stretch like that, I decided to take a positive look at it and be honored that the wolves are that afraid of me. :)



Seriously, I didn't even get to RAND(t) at anyone!!!!

[hoopsguy]

This is a clear indication that I'm a villager. I like to toy with RendeR when I'm a wolf :)

[Lathum]

This is a clear indication that I'm a villager. I like to toy with RendeR when I'm a wolf :)

I think the opposite.

The fact that you are still alive leds me to think you are a wolf

[Lathum]

BTW- Melting pot was awesome, we ate a ton, plus a few johnny Black and waters...

Great night.

[Darth Vilus]

aww that sucks, but alt least we didn't lose any major roles so that's pretty good. Coulda been a worse day. I'm working again tomorrow (sound like a broken record) so I'll have to vote early again. I'm sorry but work sucks. I'll be here thursday though, no worries on that front.

[hoopsguy]

I think the opposite.

The fact that you are still alive leds me to think you are a wolf

Harsh to have to start fending that off on Day 2. Yeesh.

[Danny]

Why would an early vote be any more telling than a late vote?

Because wolves like to set the candidates, especially on day 1 which is kind of random. Plus it helps them blend in. This is almost always the case, especially when a wolf is not involved.

[Danny]

Vote J23

This goes along with the area I would look in for wolves and something with a couple of his posts just hasn't sat right with my gut.

I will be home all day tomorrow writing a psych report, so this is subject to change.

[Darth Vilus]

why didn't Alan T sign up again? he's a good wolf catcher :-)

[Danny]

I think AlanT only signs up when I am a wolf so he can catch me.

[Danny]

I don't think it's a coincidence that my best games as a wolf he was not a participant in :)

[Darth Vilus]

lol, yeah i can't wait to see one of those man! Jk

[Danny]

lol, yeah i can't wait to see one of those man! Jk

Fair enough, my last two wolfy appearances have not gone too well, mostly thanks to Alan actually.

[Darth Vilus]

yeah, that one time he killed u what, day 2? Maybe quicker. Last one wasn't that bad though

[Danny]

Yeah Day1 actually. Last game I was actually the last wolf to die and most of the suspicion I had was on purpose, unfortunately that scan never came from you or Lerriuqs.

[Darth Vilus]

yup. not too bad. I was considering scanning u a few times but I wanted to find the UTR wolf. Those suckers are hard to get

[Danny]

Off topic. but look at this pic of the War of the Ring collector's edition

http://boardgame.geekdo.com/image/587390?size=original

Its like $400

[Darth Vilus]

it wants me to log in

[Danny]

Thats weird, maybe you have to have an account to log in. You should make one anyway then

[Danny]

You can see the small version

http://boardgame.geekdo.com/image/587390

I guess you need to be logged in to see the full resolution image.

[Darth Vilus]

alright i signed up. Dang man, that thing looks pretty sweet! All the color and deluxe case, pret-ty cool bro.

[Danny]

Yeah, too bad it's $400. I'll really need to paint the different armies different colors some day.

[Danny]

And Chief begins to wonder what is happening to his thread :)

[Darth Vilus]

one day when we're not real busy we can do it. Just have to save up for the paint. and for that game

[Darth Vilus]

yeah we're gonna get some raised eyebrows tomorrow. Sorry chief!

[Danny]

one day when we're not real busy we can do it. Just have to save up for the paint. and for that game

Paints run pretty expensive I think depending on how many colors you get. For War of the Ring, it won't be too bad since you really just need to paint each army a solid color. I doubt i'll ever get the collectors edition as it will be long gone by the time I could afford that (or convince my wife to let me buy it :)

[Darth Vilus]

yeah but u can dream though homie. How many colors u think you'll need?

[Danny]

For WOTR, like 6? One for each army. When doing detail work and stuff, one figure can take like 6-10 by itself

[Darth Vilus]

6-10 what? min or colors. how detailed did u want to get with em?

[Danny]

6-10 colors for ones that are painted with a good amount of detail. You could do that for like the main ones, but for the armies, one solid color each would be fine. It would be too much work to paint 100+ with a lot of detail. Plus there is a dip method which lets a figure look like it has some details without actually doing any work.

[Darth Vilus]

i see i see not bad. we can do that sometime when i go to ur house. If u have the paints that is. Price em next time ur out

[Chief Rum]

yeah we're gonna get some raised eyebrows tomorrow. Sorry chief!

Heh...I'm West Coast. You guys are raising my eyebrows now. :)

[Chief Rum]

In fact, I think we're all SoCal.

[Darth Vilus]

apparently we've never heard of ainstant messaging or a phone. Whoops

[Darth Vilus]

really? what city u in?

[Darth Vilus]

Darth Vilus.....thread killer

[Danny]

I think he's in Anaheim or O.C.

[Chief Rum]

really? what city u in?

Whoops. Had to go to bed. :)

Danny's right, Anaheim's where I'm at. OC born and raised and defiled.

[hoopsguy]

Can I vote for both Danny and Darth Vilus today? Just a one-time exception due to the last 25 or so posts?

[PurdueBrad]

I'll probably get an early vote in since I'll be out most of the afternoon. I'll likely be looking at ntn voters, either early or perhaps the tipping point/out of reach voters.

[JAG]

Because wolves like to set the candidates, especially on day 1 which is kind of random. Plus it helps them blend in. This is almost always the case, especially when a wolf is not involved.

I'm not saying this observation is right or wrong (I'm sure you know better than I), but it seems like every game I see conflicting information as far as what wolves like to do (wolves always put the second vote on a candidate, etc...) It seems like one can make a good argument for wolves doing anything voting-wise ("You voted for a wolf to gain trust!").

[J23]

Because wolves like to set the candidates, especially on day 1 which is kind of random. Plus it helps them blend in. This is almost always the case, especially when a wolf is not involved.

I'm still not sure I buy it, though looking at the last couple games, it does seem that has been the case. As for your gut feeling, I'm really not sure how I can argue that.

[Lathum]

You can see the small version

http://boardgame.geekdo.com/image/587390

I guess you need to be logged in to see the full resolution image.

alright i signed up. Dang man, that thing looks pretty sweet! All the color and deluxe case, pret-ty cool bro.

Yeah, too bad it's $400. I'll really need to paint the different armies different colors some day.

one day when we're not real busy we can do it. Just have to save up for the paint. and for that game


not that I needed it but by far further confirmation I am the coolest guy on the werewolf forum...

Me and KWhit, his wife was a model...

[Lathum]

Vote Telle

It isn't much but I voted her yesterday and she didn't say boo, maybe she didn't want to bring attention to herself. Then casts a late vote on a known villager. Then her husband turns up dead...

[hoopsguy]

So far this has felt like WW in slow motion. I'm as guilty as anyone, but I'm hoping that we can get something that feels like meaningful participation going today.

So, as I somewhat predicted yesterday my initial vote on someone led to them being part of the final runoff, with NTN edging out KWhit. What do we take from this?

Does anyone have time to whip up a vote/unvote chart from yesterday? I don't think there were too many unvotes, but I'll be curious to see what the movement looks like around the candidates. If no one has posted one by mid-afternoon I'll probably take a crack at it myself.

[dubb93]

Then casts a late vote on a known villager. Then her husband turns up dead...

Wouldn't that make her evil though? And wouldn't that make her good? I'm so confused.

[Lathum]

Wouldn't that make her evil though? And wouldn't that make her good? I'm so confused.

I think it puts her on the opposite side of Render and NTN.

[Chief Rum]

Not surprising, given I was out yesterday, but the work piled up. I'm in a job where if I or the group I work in don't do the work, no one does it. Ugh.

Anyway, gonna be out of the thread until trivia time. I'll try to catch up any questions or issues or what not at that time.

[KWhit]

not that I needed it but by far further confirmation I am the coolest guy on the werewolf forum...

Me and KWhit, his wife was a model...

I LOLed.

:D

[Darth Vilus]

not that I needed it but by far further confirmation I am the coolest guy on the werewolf forum...

Me and KWhit, his wife was a model...

Hey don't knock it til you'e tried it homie, it can get intense.

as for voting i'm not sure, I'm not really good at analyzing votes to catch wolves yet. That's just me though. What Danny is saying makes sense though.

[hoopsguy]

Vote recap from yesterday:

82 - Dubb votes JAG (1-0)
85 - Lathum votes Telle (1-1 JAG/Telle)
87 - PB votes Darth (1-1-1 JAG/Telle/Darth)
88 - Dubb unvotes JAG (1-1 Telle/Darth)
91 - Hoops votes KWhit (1-1-1 Telle/Darth/KWhit)
106 - Darth votes NTN (1-1-1-1 Telle/Darth/KWhit/NTN)
109 - Danny votes J23 (1-1-1-1-1 Telle/Darth/KWhit/NTN/J23)
112 - J23 votes NTN (2-1-1-1-1 NTN over Telle/Darth/KWhit/J23)
117 - Lerri votes KWhit (2-2-1-1-1 NTN/KWhit over Telle/Darth/J23)
125 - Dubb votes NTN (3-2-1-1-1 NTN over KWhit over Telle/Darth/J23)
129 - DT votes KWhit (3-3-1-1-1 NTN/KWhit over Telle/Darth/J23)
130 - JAG votes NTN (4-3-1-1-1 NTN over KWhit over Telle/Darth/J23)
132 - Lathum unvotes Telle, votes KWhit (4-4-1-1 NTN/KWhit over Darth/J23)
133 - Telle votes NTN (5-4-1-1 NTN over KWhit over Darth/J23)
139 - RendeR votes KWhit (5-5-1-1 NTN/KWhit over Darth/J23)
148 - Schmidty votes NTN (6-5-1-1 NTN over KWhit over Darth/J23)
150 - KWhit votes NTN (7-5-1-1 NTN over KWhit over Darth/J23)

No vote - TheJackal, NTN

[DaddyTorgo]

I hate the fact that work is busy now and I feel bad if I'm sitting here posting in the WW-forum instead of working.

And yes I still manage a few OT-posts during the day, but those are largely "off the cuff" type BS-comments, not the well-thought-out comments that enrich a WW-game.

I think D1's of late have always felt like WW-in-slomo to hoops' point. Particuarly because there's not usually much to go on (at least on D2). I'd like to try to think of a mechanic to change that honestly.

[DaddyTorgo]

jackal didn't vote? seems a bit too obvious to be wolfish though doesn't it? D1 is usually an easy time to "bury" a vote so why would a wolf skip it. Can't think of a reason. Did he provide one in-thread...I thought maybe he did, but I forget.

K...back to the phones.

[Darth Vilus]

ugh, i hate going to work when I'm playing WW, i miss out on so much. Though I hate going to work when I'm not playing WW too :-)

so who to vote for, let's see here

[hoopsguy]

Lets see what happens in a tie:

Vote KHWIT

I feel like someone drugged me after dinner. Sorry I haven't been on but I passed out on the couch for no good reason.

That explains your vote then.

:)

No the vote is a good one at this point. I want to see shenanigans at deadline. if we have two people tied, something is going to happen.

So, I've quoted these with the idea of exploring why the wolves would have gone after RendeR last night. There is always the "he won't be blocked, lets get him" motivation, but when I'm a wolf I'm normally role chasing on Night 1. Later in the game I might have a reason to "set someone up" or free myself from heat, or something along those lines. But early in the game I'm going after someone I think is either a seer or a convert.

It just so happens that we have a potential convert in this game:

Evil Marlena Moreau The beautiful Marlena Moreau is the captain's woman. She will know who the wolves are to start, but they will not know her. If they attack her, she will convert to their side to help them get back to their universe. She will be able to communicate with them, but she will still count as a villager for win condition purposes.

When I re-read this now I can see where the wolves might have seen the "it is a good vote" option and thought they should snap up Moreau ASAP to build their numbers.

Now, for this to be true that assumes that KWhit is in fact a wolf. I voted for him yesterday and saw a close race emerge. We never saw KWhit take the lead in the race, but he was under some duress. I'm going to repeat my vote from yesterday unless someone can convince me of a flaw in this theory or come up with one I like better.

VOTE KWHIT

[Darth Vilus]

I think D1's of late have always felt like WW-in-slomo to hoops' point. Particuarly because there's not usually much to go on (at least on D2). I'd like to try to think of a mechanic to change that honestly.

Lol, when was the last time Hoops survived past day 1?
I can't remember:D

[Lathum]

Hey don't knock it til you'e tried it homie, it can get intense.



No thanks, I enjoy having sex with women.

[Darth Vilus]

HA!, now that was funny.

VOTE LATHUM

for crude humor

[Lathum]

Unvote Telle
Vote DT

I have seen DT play this way before and it was when he was a wolf. Other games when he has been a villager and busy he just doesn't post, it almost seems he is posting just so folks don't call him out for being UTR.

[Darth Vilus]

UNVOTE LATHUM

Now I thought tht was funny

[Darth Vilus]

how does he play when he's a wolf? Just posting to post?

[KWhit]

So, I've quoted these with the idea of exploring why the wolves would have gone after RendeR last night. There is always the "he won't be blocked, lets get him" motivation, but when I'm a wolf I'm normally role chasing on Night 1. Later in the game I might have a reason to "set someone up" or free myself from heat, or something along those lines. But early in the game I'm going after someone I think is either a seer or a convert.

It just so happens that we have a potential convert in this game:


When I re-read this now I can see where the wolves might have seen the "it is a good vote" option and thought they should snap up Moreau ASAP to build their numbers.

Now, for this to be true that assumes that KWhit is in fact a wolf. I voted for him yesterday and saw a close race emerge. We never saw KWhit take the lead in the race, but he was under some duress. I'm going to repeat my vote from yesterday unless someone can convince me of a flaw in this theory or come up with one I like better.

VOTE KWHIT

I don't follow this. Your whole premise seems to be that the wolves thought RendeR might have been the convert. And you base that fact on the fact that he voted for me, who you are thinking might be a wolf.

Why would the cultist/convert be voting to try to take down a wolf. He tied the vote up between me and NTN. He'd be wanting to drive attention away from the wolves - not toward it.

I don't get why you would think that the wolves would expect Render to be a convert based on him voting for me. That makes no sense since the convert knows who the wolves are from the beginning and would presumably not want to get them lynched.

Evil Marlena Moreau
The beautiful Marlena Moreau is the captain's woman. She will know who the wolves are to start, but they will not know her. If they attack her, she will convert to their side to help them get back to their universe. She will be able to communicate with them, but she will still count as a villager for win condition purposes.

[J23]

A couple things

1) Hoops - I don't follow the logic that you're laying out. Can you try to spell it out a bit more clearly?

2) KWhit - Why is the assumption that the convert wants to help the wolves? I see that she is listed under the wolves for the roles, does this mean she wins with the wolves even if not converted?

[Darth Vilus]

I'm not sure where Hoops is going with this but there's a reason why the wolves don't like him. I'll go with this for now since i'm at aloss and have to leave

VOTE KHWIT

[KWhit]

2) KWhit - Why is the assumption that the convert wants to help the wolves? I see that she is listed under the wolves for the roles, does this mean she wins with the wolves even if not converted?

Well, the fact that she knows who the wolves are implies that she wins with them. Otherwise, she could just announce who they are and:

GAME OVER MAN!!


http://nsaney.com/pics/aliens_hudson_game_over.jpg

[Lathum]

I agree with KWhit, Hoops' logic doesn't seem to make much sense.

[KWhit]

I'm not sure where Hoops is going with this but there's a reason why the wolves don't like him. I'll go with this for now since i'm at aloss and have to leave

VOTE KHWIT

WHAT!?!?!?

That is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard.

"I don't understand his argument, but I'll agree with it anyway!!"

Seriously?

[Lathum]

how does he play when he's a wolf? Just posting to post?

I have seen him do this, yes.

[KWhit]

I'm not liking the Hoops / DV doubleteam on me.

And since Hoops initiated it.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[dubb93]

I actually agree with KWhit. Hoops seems to be grasping at straws here and darth is jumping in even though he doesn't follow Hoop's logic. Hell, I don't follow Hoop's logic either.

Vote Hoops

[hoopsguy]

OK, the wolves thought that RendeR was the cultist signaling to them based on the post that I quoted. It would make perfect sense for them to make that leap, at least in my mind, if KWhit is in fact a wolf.

But, RendeR was not the cultist. RendeR wasn't sending a signal to anyone, RendeR was just voting as a villager with a role. That does not change how the wolves would perceive the posts that I quoted. That is why I think RendeR was the night one target.

[KWhit]

OK, the wolves thought that RendeR was the cultist signaling to them based on the post that I quoted. It would make perfect sense for them to make that leap, at least in my mind, if KWhit is in fact a wolf.

But, RendeR was not the cultist. RendeR wasn't sending a signal to anyone, RendeR was just voting as a villager with a role. That does not change how the wolves would perceive the posts that I quoted. That is why I think RendeR was the night one target.

If the wolves had any sense they wouldn't think that the cultist would be voting late to tie up the vote count between a wolf and a villager. I disagree with your premise entirely.

[hoopsguy]

For Dubb and others who think that I'm angle-shooting here as a wolf - why would I bother doing this on Day 2 in the most quiet game ever? I was not in any meaningful danger of getting votes before putting that post forward.

I'm happy to discuss my thought process, but the "I don't understand Hoops' argument, ergo he is a wolf" does not seem like a very well formed vote process. Ask me to further clarify, tell me where I'm seeing something that probably is not there. Let's get some kind of conversation going in this thread, rather than just sitting back and letting the wolves dictate terms through indifference.

[hoopsguy]

If the wolves had any sense they wouldn't think that the cultist would be voting late to tie up the vote count between a wolf and a villager. I disagree with your premise entirely.

That would obviously be the risk. But at that point RendeR made the vote 5-5 with your vote still out there to be cast. There was no sign of NTN and RendeR certainly was in a position to change the vote if needed.

Point of fact - RendeR did not have any of those considerations, because he was not the cultist. Similarly, the wolves would not have had a lot of time to really dissect the kill order because the deadline was 20 minutes out for them. Wolf organization around the deadline can be pretty chaotic - it certainly has been in games that I've played.

Anyway, I'm certainly willing to listen to other interpretations of the voting logic from yesterday. KWhit, if you know that you are a villager and it was villager/villager all along then what are your takeaways from yesterday?

[KWhit]

For Dubb and others who think that I'm angle-shooting here as a wolf - why would I bother doing this on Day 2 in the most quiet game ever? I was not in any meaningful danger of getting votes before putting that post forward.

I'm happy to discuss my thought process, but the "I don't understand Hoops' argument, ergo he is a wolf" does not seem like a very well formed vote process. Ask me to further clarify, tell me where I'm seeing something that probably is not there. Let's get some kind of conversation going in this thread, rather than just sitting back and letting the wolves dictate terms through indifference.

As Danny pointed out earlier, oftentimes wolves like to throw out a couple of candidates early on to steer the conversation away from themselves.

You've successfully made me a candidate 2 days in a row for no good reason each time. A wolf would be glad to do that to a villager, just to ensure that they aren't the ones that get the attention.

Admit it. I was a leading candidate yesterday and am a leading vote getter today (only 2, but still). And why is that? No real reason that makes sense in my view. But people have to vote for someone, even when they have no idea who to vote for. That is why wolves like to get a candidate out in front early on.

[DaddyTorgo]

Unvote Telle
Vote DT

I have seen DT play this way before and it was when he was a wolf. Other games when he has been a villager and busy he just doesn't post, it almost seems he is posting just so folks don't call him out for being UTR.

or maybe i just feel like i should try to contribute what little i can on my lunchbreak.