WW 110 - Mortal Kombat (Game Over) OUTWORLD WINS

[Darth Vilus]

So jackal PM'd me and he'd rather I run a game before his. So I'm posting sign ups for WW110. It's going to be pretty standard as It's my first time running again but don't worry, my second game will be a good one :-) Tons of ideas. I'll leave sign ups open for a few days and aim for a start maybe monday, unless we get enough people quickly in which case we can start earlier if you prefer. This game is going to give a shout out to a revolutionary game that came out around 18 years ago, the game of mortal kombat.

rules will also be posted the next couple of days


Sign Ups: (Enter At Your Own Risk)

1. Danny - Liu Kang (Bodyguard), Day 2 Night Kill
2. Poli
3. Telle
4. Lathum - Sub Zero, Day 3 Night Kill
5. Purduebrad
6. J23 - Smoke, Duked day 3
7. ntndeacon - Jax, Day 4 Lynch
8. Kwhit - Raiden (Seer), Day 2 Lynch
9. Autumn - Reptile, Day 1 Night Kill
10. EagleFan
11. Jackal - Sonya Blade (Slut), Day 1 Lynch

[Darth Vilus]

Once every generation, there is a martial arts tournament known as Mortal Kombat.

This tournament was designed by the Elder Gods as a way for the different realms of the universe to defend themselves against Outworld, the most powerful of the realms, after it became too powerful. If one of the realms is able to garner ten straight victories in Mortal Kombat then the leader of that realm will be able to pass through the dimensional gates and invade a realm of their choosing. The realm of Outworld ruled by the Emperor known as Shao Kahn has won nine, and now the tenth tournament looms on the horizon. If Shao Kahn's warriors win their tenth consecutive victory then Earthrealm will fall.

Now Lord Raiden, God of Thunder and sworn protector of Earthrealm, has assembled a team of Earth's greatest fighters to compete in Mortal Kombat. Their goal: to overcome Shao Kahn’s malevolent forces and win the tournament in order to prevent Outworld from condemning Earthrealm to eternal damnation. The fate the people of the Earth now lies with Earth’s mightiest warriors: Liu Kang, Johnny Cage, Sub-Zero, Sonya Blade,

The table has been set, now let the tournament begin!

[Darth Vilus]

So the deadline will be at 9:00 Pm EST, you guys will just have to wait a bit for the results sometimes. Every day each player will vote to lynch one person by bolding that person's name.

Vote Darth Vilus

The candidate who receives the most votes by deadline will be lynched and removed from te tournament. There are no draws in the Mortal Kombat tournament, if there is a tie vote both candidates will be disqualified from competition. There will be no editing votes and no quoting of PMs in the thread.

WIN Conditions:

Warriors of Earthrealm (Good): The warriors of Earthrealm win the tournament if they are able to eliminate all of the Warriors of Outworld.

Warriors of Outworld (Evil): The warriors of Outworld win the tournament if they are able to achieve a 1:1 ratio with the warriors of Earthrealm

Roles: Depending on the amount of players all roles may not appear in the game.

Sides:

Warriors of Earthrealm:

Raiden: The God of Thunder and Defender of earthrealm has decided to enter the tournament himself alongside his heroes. Using his godly powers Raiden may push his sight out around the tournament grounds and spy on one combatant of his choosing.

Liu Kang: Member of the Shaolin White Lotus Clan and one of the strongest warriors Earthrealm has to offer. Liu Kang's strength is only matched by the power of his heart, and he makes use of both by protecting one of his comrades every night from being murdered by Shao kahn's forces. He may guard any player but can not guard the same player on consecutive nights.

Sonya Blade: Sonya is a beautiful, stern, tough-as-nails lieutenant of Earthrealm's Special Forces unit the OIA. Using her beauty as a distraction Sonya is able to prevent a combatant from using their special ability for the night.

Johnny Cage: A martial arts superstar trained by great masters around the world Johnny Cage has joined Raiden to defeat Shao Kahn as well as prove to the world that he is the great fighter he portrays in his films. Since Johnny needs to keep himself healthy for photo shoots he always travels with a personal medical team on hand. If he is the night kill target his team will be able to save him from death, but since he will have depleted theirs supplies he may only do this once.

Scorpion: Deceased ninja and now a yellowgarbed hellspawned spectre Scorpion seeks vengence against those responsible for the destruction of his clan and death of his family. Scorpion has agreed to aid Raiden in his bout to save Earthrealm but ultimately he has his own agenda. Once in the game Scorpion will use his spear to hurl the lynch candidate off the block and replace them with a combatant of his choosing.

Sub-Zero: Member of the Lin kuei clan Sub-Zero is a descendant of the Cryomancers. Like his ancestors before him he possesses the ability to generate and control the powers of ice. Powers which will aid Earthrealm's warriors greatly in their fight against Shao kahn. he has the ability to freeze one combatant of his choosing each night and prevent them from posting in the thread.


Warriors of Outworld: Each night the Outworlders must select one member of their realm to perform the night kill. The same member may not perform a kill on consecutive nights unless they are the only one left

Shao Kahn: As Emperor of Outworld Shao Kahn's lust for power is matched only by his ruthlessness. To ensure the fall of Earthrealm he has entered the tournament himself, a feat never seen before. Known for his godlike strength, brutality, and knowledge of black magic Shao kahn will not go down eaily. If defeated in Mortal Kombat he will take another combatant of his choosing down with him.

Shang Tsung: A powerful and deadly sorcerer Shang Tsung must devour the souls of fallen warriors. After swearing allegiance to Shao Kahn Shang Tsung was taught the Black Art of Shapeshifting by the Emperor. Using his this ability he is able to avoid detection fro Raiden's ever watchful eye.

Goro: A 2,000 year old half human half dragon Shokan, Goro remains undefeated for the last 500 years. Immensely powerful and bloodthirsty he is extremely difficult to fend off, too difficult for the bodyguard and Johnny Cage's mediacl team. No one survives a Night Kill by Goro.

Other:

Smoke: Former member of the Lin Kuei clan smoke was one of three members turned into a Cyborg. As Sub-Zero was his friend and allly he rescued and reprogrammed Smoke to aid him and Raiden in their fight. If Smoke is Night killed however, his killer will reprogram him to fight for the forces of Outworld. He counts towards whatever side he is programmed to.

[Darth Vilus]

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[Darth Vilus]

The Kombatants!
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[Danny]

ill play

[Poli]

Welcome to my day 1 vote, danny.

IN.

[Telle]

I'll play.

[Lathum]

In.

to early to VOTE POLI?

[PurdueBrad]

Definitely in

[J23]

I should have time to actively participate this game. I'm in.

[ntndeacon]

in

[KWhit]

In.

[Autumn]

i'll play

[Darth Vilus]

Oh and btw cuz of work and me being on PST I might not be around til a few hours after deadline. So we have 2 choices, 1-U guys just have to wait a bit for deadline results or 2-I have someone else post deadline and night results. What do you guys think?

[EagleFan]

Oh and btw cuz of work and me being on PST I might not be around til a few hours after deadline. So we have 2 choices, 1-U guys just have to wait a bit for deadline results or 2-I have someone else post deadline and night results. What do you guys think?

I didn't see a deadline listed. Am I missing that? I would say make the deadline convenient for you.

[Darth Vilus]

No i didn't post a deadline yet, i was waiting to hear evryone's thoughts. My work schedule can be pretty varied sometimes but usually i won't be home til around 12:00am EST. That doesn't really work for most players

[J23]

I don't mind the delay on the results. I'd rather have another player than someone sit out to do the results for you!

[ntndeacon]

FATALITY!!

[Darth Vilus]

looks like this is going to be a small game but i'll leave sign-ups open until 9:00pm East on Sun. When I get home i'll send out PMs for a Monday start

[EagleFan]

Was thinking about taking a game off but I'll jump in.

[PurdueBrad]

Glad EF is here, 'cause I really want to ninja kick him.

[EagleFan]

Glad EF is here, 'cause I really want to ninja kick him.

What did I miss in the edit?

[EagleFan]

vote PB


Just warming up... :)

Wasn't going to go back to my PB day one vote but something has given me the idea again.

[EagleFan]

double dola: I'll defend Poli's right to vote Danny this game and don't think he should be looked at just because he has a day one pattern. If he votes that pattern early there is nothing that anyone should be able to say about that as we all need to come up with a day one vote anyway and have nothing to go off (unless we are wolves).

Wanted to say something last game but couldn't. :)

Now if Poli were to show up 5 minutes before the deadline and vote Danny (because he is person number 1) but the vote was a race between 2 or 3 others and Danny was nowhere in sight of that race; that would be entirely different.

The problem that I see is the logic was used against him last game and by chance he was a wolf. That makes the arguement look valid instead of looking at the other games where he did it and wasn't a wolf.

It's like I said, the following logic seems to come into play based upon day one votes:

- Voted early, must be a wolf
- Voted late, must be a wolf
- Gave a reason for the vote that has nothing to do with this game, must be a wolf
- Gave a reason that sounds like it's about this game, must be a wolf trying to sway opinion
- Gave no reason, must be a wolf
- Used random.org, must be a wolf
- Didn't use random.org but just randomly chose, must be a wolf
- Broke a tie, must be a wolf
- Tied it up, must be a wolf
- Vote in self defense, must be a wolf
- Didn't vote in self defense, must be a wolf
- Moved you vote off a player that wasn't in the running onto one that was, must be a wolf
- Left your vote on someone who wasn't in the running instead of moving to one that was, must be a wolf
- Voted for someone who was lynched and turned out to be a wolf, must be a wolf trying to gain trust
- Voted for someone who was lynched and turned out to be a villager, must be a wolf
- Voted for the second place vote getter and the one who was lynched turned out to be a wolf, must be a wolf trying to protect the other one
- Voted for the second place vote getter and the one who was lynched turned out to be a villager, must be a wolf trying to earn trust or hide

[ntndeacon]

You for got the is EagleFan so must be a wolf

[ntndeacon]

oops wasnt suppsed to be bolded

[Autumn]

I just can't wait until Poli signs up for a game first.

[PurdueBrad]

vote PB


Just warming up... :)

Wasn't going to go back to my PB day one vote but something has given me the idea again.

Remember, I always have a role. Why would you want to vote me and my role off on day 1, unless of course you are a wolf (or you're Lathum and afraid I'll duke it to you).

[EagleFan]

Remember, I always have a role. Why would you want to vote me and my role off on day 1, unless of course you are a wolf (or you're Lathum and afraid I'll duke it to you).

Already telling half the truth. The saying goes.. is always either a wolf or has a role... Sounds like you are trying to downplay the wolf angle. Must be a wolf trying to manipulate...

:devil:

[Darth Vilus]

Glad EF is here, 'cause I really want to ninja kick him.

If this one goes ok then i'll consider doing a sequel someday with some fighting mechanics. Maybe even test you might and fatalities

[EagleFan]

If this one goes ok then i'll consider doing a sequel someday with some fighting mechanics. Maybe even test you might and fatalities

That actually gives me an idea for a UFC themed game...

[Darth Vilus]

That actually gives me an idea for a UFC themed game...

Lol, if you want it then run with it bro :)

[EagleFan]

Lol, if you want it then run with it bro :)

No reason they both can't happen. :)

[PurdueBrad]

If this one goes ok then i'll consider doing a sequel someday with some fighting mechanics. Maybe even test you might and fatalities

I was actually thinking about this too. Leading lynch candidate calls out one player of his choice and they fight to the death. Figure do a fatigue angle, so the same person would eventually lose if they had to fight multiple nights in a row.

[PurdueBrad]

Already telling half the truth. The saying goes.. is always either a wolf or has a role... Sounds like you are trying to downplay the wolf angle. Must be a wolf trying to manipulate...

:devil:

I've never heard this weird second half of the rule that you are referencing.

[The Jackal]

I don't know how my availability will be next week but I'll jump in to help the numbers.

[Darth Vilus]

PMs have been sent out, let me know if anyone didn't get one. Night 1 Deadline will be Monday 9:00pm EST.

on a side note, how do u change the name of the thread?

[Darth Vilus]

The time has finally come, the day of the Mortal Kombat tournament has begun. Every kombatant stands before the arena looking upon the warriors around them. Some come for glory, some seek vengeance, others crave immortality. Now, after years of preparation the time has come for the warriors to face one another in combat. As the drums begin to sound and the crowd erupts into cheers The Elder Gods cry out.....

FIGHT!!!!!

[PurdueBrad]

Well, then I'm starting this party the way it should be:

vote Eaglefan

[EagleFan]

PMs have been sent out, let me know if anyone didn't get one. Night 1 Deadline will be Monday 9:00pm EST.

on a side note, how do u change the name of the thread?

Edit post number one and then select advanced. It will allow you to edit the thread title from there.

[EagleFan]

Well, then I'm starting this party the way it should be:

vote Eaglefan

Wow, that was quick...

Just checking in, I'll hold my vote until tomorrow when I am a little more awake.

[Danny]

Checking in

[PurdueBrad]

Wow, that was quick...

Just checking in, I'll hold my vote until tomorrow when I am a little more awake.

A little more awake? Seriously, I'm your day 1 every time. If you don't vote me, then we know you're a wolf. Of course, feel free to branch out furball. :p

[EagleFan]

A little more awake? Seriously, I'm your day 1 every time. If you don't vote me, then we know you're a wolf. Of course, feel free to branch out furball. :p

Interesting statement. You haven't been my constant day one vote for a little while now. You even acknowledged that in a previous game.

[KWhit]

Hey all. Checking in.

[PurdueBrad]

Interesting statement. You haven't been my constant day one vote for a little while now. You even acknowledged that in a previous game.

I'm just seeing if I can make you vote for me.

[EagleFan]

I'm just seeing if I can make you vote for me.

I looked it up. My last day one vote for you was July 7, 2009. The 24 game. Your misleading statement seems too obvious a wolf ploy and that isn't like you.

[Autumn]

Looks like squabbling is already breaking out among the warriors. I will politely ignore it.

I don't know if I've played a small game like this before. The heat is on. Let's hope for some good voting this time around. I should be around today.

[PurdueBrad]

I looked it up. My last day one vote for you was July 7, 2009. The 24 game. Your misleading statement seems too obvious a wolf ploy and that isn't like you.

Wow, has it really been that long? Sheesh. Guess I should be the bigger man, get over the grudge, and unvote you.





yeah, right. Voting you is the best D1 reasoning I can put together.

[ntndeacon]

Just checking in.

[Danny]

Heading out, will be back in 7-8 hours or so if I am as efficient as I hope to be today.

[J23]

Checking in.

[Telle]

Good morning all. Checking in.

[EagleFan]

I will be out of thread for a while today but am off so I will be able to check in from time to time, when near my computer, without having to "sneak" the time in. We need to get the voting and conversaton started.

May not be a good reason for this vote in some eyes but going with a vote on a historically quiet player. In a small game we need active players early in the game so we don't have to rely on luck.

vote ntndeacon

[Autumn]

I agree with this reasoning EF, but I picked on NTN and Telle last game on that basis. I don't want to just turn it so that they're the Day 1 goats instead of the usual suspects. I will vote Jackal to get things moving as well. He is sometimes quiet, sometimes not, but not someone who it seems like lately has been getting a lot of early action.

<b>vote jackal</b>

[ntndeacon]

Vote Eagle
This is just a retalitory vote. That reasoning has happenedthe last few games giving me early votes. So I may have to get retaliatory for the next couple games. at least for day one votes.

[ntndeacon]

I am currently under the assumption we have 2 wolves. Also I wonder how many other roles, (those vanilla villagers and wolves) we have. There are 10 listed. I am also assuming that several of those roles are not among the combatants. So we know at least one and probably 3-4.

[EagleFan]

As of 58:

EagleFan 2 - PurdueBrad (41), ntndeacon (57)
ntndeacon 1 - EagleFan (55)
Jackal 1 - Autumn (56)

[The Jackal]

checking in, nothing really to say yet

[Poli]

Are we allowed to say who we are?

Vote Danny

[Telle]

Are we allowed to say who we are?

Vote Danny

I'm not sure it would be a great idea anyways, as it would help the wolves to narrow down the list for seer hunting.

[Lathum]

Vote Poli

I don't think we need to revisit my reason why.

[PurdueBrad]

Wow, five candidates already in a small game.

[EagleFan]

As of 64:

EagleFan 2 - PurdueBrad (41), ntndeacon (57)
ntndeacon 1 - EagleFan (55)
Jackal 1 - Autumn (56)
Danny 1 - Poli (61)
Poli 1 - Lathum (63)

[EagleFan]

unvote ntn

vote Lathum

As I said before, voting Poli because he has a day one pattern really isn't any different than Poli having a day one pattern. If he makes that vote just prior to the deadline even though his "normal" day one target was not in the vote then I would have more of an issue with it.

The problem is that Poli is now in a damned if he does and damned if he doesn't corner. The first time he votes for someone other than number 1 he'll end up being targeted because he didn't vote for number 1.

[KWhit]

unvote ntn

vote Lathum

As I said before, voting Poli because he has a day one pattern really isn't any different than Poli having a day one pattern. If he makes that vote just prior to the deadline even though his "normal" day one target was not in the vote then I would have more of an issue with it.

The problem is that Poli is now in a damned if he does and damned if he doesn't corner. The first time he votes for someone other than number 1 he'll end up being targeted because he didn't vote for number 1.

I disagree. I don't think his "system" is helpful to the village. In fact, I think it's harmful. It effectively removes his day 1 vote from being able to be analyzed later in any meaningful way. That has proven helpful to him in the past when he was a wolf.

[Lathum]

The problem is that Poli is now in a damned if he does and damned if he doesn't corner. The first time he votes for someone other than number 1 he'll end up being targeted because he didn't vote for number 1.

Not by me he wont. And remember, last game he was a wolf and was able to hide his vote behind his strategy.

Vote me if you like, I am a vanilla villager so it wont be any big loss.

[EagleFan]

I disagree. I don't think his "system" is helpful to the village. In fact, I think it's harmful. It effectively removes his day 1 vote from being able to be analyzed later in any meaningful way. That has proven helpful to him in the past when he was a wolf.

Any of the recent games can show you that day one votes are not as cleanly deciphered as they used to be. Any of the early day one votes are pretty random, even the wolves are making them look that way. Where the analysis comes in is late day one to see where the moves happen.

[Lathum]

What KWhit said, and interesting how quick you unvoted then jumped on me EF.

[EagleFan]

dola: How is his vote and PB's vote any different?

[Lathum]

Any of the recent games can show you that day one votes are not as cleanly deciphered as they used to be. Any of the early day one votes are pretty random, even the wolves are making them look that way. Where the analysis comes in is late day one to see where the moves happen.

This is where we disagree.

As a wolf your day one vote is never random. You know who the wolves and villagers are, so there is some reasoning for your vote.

[EagleFan]

What KWhit said, and interesting how quick you unvoted then jumped on me EF.

See post below from three days ago where I made it clear that I would defend his right to vote his pattern. Not sure what's so interesting about me following my word.

With that said I will probably have to move at some point if I need to do a self-defense vote.


double dola: I'll defend Poli's right to vote Danny this game and don't think he should be looked at just because he has a day one pattern. If he votes that pattern early there is nothing that anyone should be able to say about that as we all need to come up with a day one vote anyway and have nothing to go off (unless we are wolves).

Wanted to say something last game but couldn't. :)

Now if Poli were to show up 5 minutes before the deadline and vote Danny (because he is person number 1) but the vote was a race between 2 or 3 others and Danny was nowhere in sight of that race; that would be entirely different.

The problem that I see is the logic was used against him last game and by chance he was a wolf. That makes the arguement look valid instead of looking at the other games where he did it and wasn't a wolf.

It's like I said, the following logic seems to come into play based upon day one votes:

- Voted early, must be a wolf
- Voted late, must be a wolf
- Gave a reason for the vote that has nothing to do with this game, must be a wolf
- Gave a reason that sounds like it's about this game, must be a wolf trying to sway opinion
- Gave no reason, must be a wolf
- Used random.org, must be a wolf
- Didn't use random.org but just randomly chose, must be a wolf
- Broke a tie, must be a wolf
- Tied it up, must be a wolf
- Vote in self defense, must be a wolf
- Didn't vote in self defense, must be a wolf
- Moved you vote off a player that wasn't in the running onto one that was, must be a wolf
- Left your vote on someone who wasn't in the running instead of moving to one that was, must be a wolf
- Voted for someone who was lynched and turned out to be a wolf, must be a wolf trying to gain trust
- Voted for someone who was lynched and turned out to be a villager, must be a wolf
- Voted for the second place vote getter and the one who was lynched turned out to be a wolf, must be a wolf trying to protect the other one
- Voted for the second place vote getter and the one who was lynched turned out to be a villager, must be a wolf trying to earn trust or hide

[KWhit]

dola: How is his vote and PB's vote any different?

I'm not really familiar with his and your history. I'm sure I've been around for games where it has happened and been discussed, but I don't really recall previous games where it bothered me. It is equally unhelpful, IMO, and I don't get it. Why bother voting at all on day 1 if you aren't going to vote with some purpose?

The point of the matter is that a predefined choice for any vote (day one or otherwise) is only helpful to you if you are a wolf as it gives you an "out" for a day's vote as far as analysis is concerned. It does nothing to help the village and can conceivably help the wolves. It doesn't matter if it's only a very slight help. Any help is help that the village can't afford.

[EagleFan]

This is where we disagree.

As a wolf your day one vote is never random. You know who the wolves and villagers are, so there is some reasoning for your vote.

Not entirely true. Many times wolves will pretty much make a random vote if they vote early. The majority of the time the only wolf votes that mean much are the ones that vote late (when they see they can swing a vote to suit their needs).

[KWhit]

See post below from three days ago where I made it clear that I would defend his right to vote his pattern. Not sure what's so interesting about me following my word.

It's immaterial IMO if you said you would defend it. Why defend it at all? At least Lathum is using some in-game reason to place his vote somewhere instead of "who signed up first."

[Lathum]

Not entirely true. Many times wolves will pretty much make a random vote if they vote early. The majority of the time the only wolf votes that mean much are the ones that vote late (when they see they can swing a vote to suit their needs).

again not true.

It can't be a truly random vote if you know the alligence of other players.

[EagleFan]

I'm not really familiar with his and your history. I'm sure I've been around for games where it has happened and been discussed, but I don't really recall previous games where it bothered me. It is equally unhelpful, IMO, and I don't get it. Why bother voting at all on day 1 if you aren't going to vote with some purpose?

The point of the matter is that a predefined choice for any vote (day one or otherwise) is only helpful to you if you are a wolf as it gives you an "out" for a day's vote as far as analysis is concerned. It does nothing to help the village and can conceivably help the wolves. It doesn't matter if it's only a very slight help. Any help is help that the village can't afford.

Not familiar? Read the thread, from the moment he signed up we made it clear he was voting me on day one. Obviously this was before he knew if he was a villager or wolf so how is that any different from knowing that Poli was voting Danny?

[KWhit]

Not entirely true. Many times wolves will pretty much make a random vote if they vote early. The majority of the time the only wolf votes that mean much are the ones that vote late (when they see they can swing a vote to suit their needs).

It's not random if the voter knows who the wolves are. That's not random at all.

[KWhit]

Not familiar? Read the thread, from the moment he signed up we made it clear he was voting me on day one. Obviously this was before he knew if he was a villager or wolf so how is that any different from knowing that Poli was voting Danny?

I did read the thread. Reread my post. I said I'm not familiar with your two's HISTORY. Meaning what has happened between you guys in previous games.

[EagleFan]

again not true.

It can't be a truly random vote if you know the alligence of other players.

Yes it can. Just knowing the allegance of a player doesn't mean the vote cannot be random.

[EagleFan]

I did read the thread. Reread my post. I said I'm not familiar with your two's HISTORY. Meaning what has happened between you guys in previous games.

Regardless of history or not, how is one person saying they are voting player A prior to the roles coming out any different from another person saying they are voting person B prior to roles coming out?

[KWhit]

Yes it can. Just knowing the allegance of a player doesn't mean the vote cannot be random.

Huh?

If a wolf is voting, they make a choice on whether they want to vote for a wolf or a villager. It is a choice. It's not random.

[KWhit]

Regardless of history or not, how is one person saying they are voting player A prior to the roles coming out any different from another person saying they are voting person B prior to roles coming out?

Dude, I said that I don't get the reasons behind it, since I don't know the history, but I agree that it is unhelpful to the village - just like Poli's vote. I don't see them as very different at all. Why did you get the idea that I did?

[EagleFan]

dola: Poli, PB, whoever.... is not in the game to win for the village, they are in it to win for themselves. Who are eithe of you to say they have to go with a strategy that is, as you classify it, village friendly?

It is just as random that either are wolves or village no matter what vote they make. Hell, what you are doing is just the same as what they are doing. YOUR vote is not random at all either!!!!

[EagleFan]

Dude, I said that I don't get the reasons behind it, since I don't know the history, but I agree that it is unhelpful to the village - just like Poli's vote. I don't see them as very different at all. Why did you get the idea that I did?

Sorry, I just only see one person being jumped on because of their "plan". It just seemed rather hypocritical to me.

How is Lathum's "plan" to vote Poli because of his "plan" any different than what Poli is doing?

[Lathum]

Yes it can. Just knowing the allegance of a player doesn't mean the vote cannot be random.

Huh?

If a wolf is voting, they make a choice on whether they want to vote for a wolf or a villager. It is a choice. It's not random.

Yeah, you're not making sense EF.

As a villager I have no idea of the alligence of the other players, as a wolf you do, hence you make an educated vote D1. You also coordinate your vote with other wolves, or decide if you are going to get cute and vote for a wolf. This is the info that helps determine who is a wolf when we go back and look later in the game. Poli's way of voting removes all of that.

Now you may be making a random choice among the villagers you are voting for, but there is nothing random about a wolfs D1 vote.

[EagleFan]

Yeah, you're not making sense EF.

As a villager I have no idea of the alligence of the other players, as a wolf you do, hence you make an educated vote D1. You also coordinate your vote with other wolves, or decide if you are going to get cute and vote for a wolf. This is the info that helps determine who is a wolf when we go back and look later in the game. Poli's way of voting removes all of that.

Now you may be making a random choice among the villagers you are voting for, but there is nothing random about a wolfs D1 vote.

And your vote of Poli is "villager friendly" how?

[KWhit]

dola: Poli, PB, whoever.... is not in the game to win for the village, they are in it to win for themselves. Who are eithe of you to say they have to go with a strategy that is, as you classify it, village friendly?

It is just as random that either are wolves or village no matter what vote they make. Hell, what you are doing is just the same as what they are doing. YOUR vote is not random at all either!!!!

I have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously.

I always try to play the game in ways to maximize a win for whichever team I'm playing on. I don't know what you mean by "They are in it to win for themselves."

And no, I am using a logical argument to try to make a vote that helps the village. Like I've said 5 times, it is a very small amount of benefit, but I do absolutely believe that going with some sort of voting system that effectively removes you from voting analysis later on is slightly helpful to the wolves. So I will look to vote for them over just some random person.

[Lathum]

Sorry, I just only see one person being jumped on because of their "plan". It just seemed rather hypocritical to me.

How is Lathum's "plan" to vote Poli because of his "plan" any different than what Poli is doing?

It is very different.

My "plan" was not to vote Poli. I voted Poli in response to the way he voted. Isn't that what we do in werewolf?

I did not come into the game, prior to the game even starting saying "I am going to vote Poli," I voted him based on the fact that he predetermined his vote, befor the game even started, and that to me doesn't help the village.

[KWhit]

So after all this talk, I think I'll put a vote out there.

VOTE POLI

[Lathum]

And your vote of Poli is "villager friendly" how?

because Poli's D1 vote and the way he arrived at it doesn't help us at all in the long run.

[EagleFan]

It is very different.

My "plan" was not to vote Poli. I voted Poli in response to the way he voted. Isn't that what we do in werewolf?

I did not come into the game, prior to the game even starting saying "I am going to vote Poli," I voted him based on the fact that he predetermined his vote, befor the game even started, and that to me doesn't help the village.

The end result is that it is still the same. You came into the game with the plan of voting for Poli if he followed the pattern which he has been following. that means that you vote is just as "unrandom" as his. Which means neither vote helps the village. Add PB's vote into that and we now have 3 votes which cannot be seen as helping the village.

[Lathum]

See, this is where I disagree with you EF.

My vote for Poli is in response to his vote. Poli choose to vote the way he has been, hence I voted for him based on that. My vote was far from decided prior to the game starting, but when Poli placed his vote that set things into motion, again I will ask you, isn't that what werewolf is all about?

[EagleFan]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously.

I always try to play the game in ways to maximize a win for whichever team I'm playing on. I don't know what you mean by "They are in it to win for themselves."

And no, I am using a logical argument to try to make a vote that helps the village. Like I've said 5 times, it is a very small amount of benefit, but I do absolutely believe that going with some sort of voting system that effectively removes you from voting analysis later on is slightly helpful to the wolves. So I will look to vote for them over just some random person.

Poli is in the game to win it for whatever team he is on (hence in it to win it for himself). Why should he be forced to employ a strategy that hurts his chances when he is a wolf? If he wants to play the game so that he starts out the same no matter which side he is on I see no harm in that.

Personally, I find it amusing to watch the drama that it causes. I am hoping that he signs up first one of these games to be honest. :)

[PurdueBrad]

How does any day 1 vote truly help the village? We're all voting blindly (except the wolves) and therefore most of our votes, mathematically speaking, end up being anti-village. So unless we all sit around, debate, fake reveal, etc. until the first night deadline, most villager votes are little more than random stabs/guesses. If you vote without reason or cause or it looks random, you're a wolf. If you vote with reason or cause, you don't know crap and you are still a wolf. My vote is a joke vote and could move but on D1, it'll only move to avoid a tie or if someone comes out doing the wolfy-dance.

[EagleFan]

This has been fun, but is going nowhere. :)

Will be back later, time to go play some lacrosse with my daughter.

[EagleFan]

How does any day 1 vote truly help the village? We're all voting blindly (except the wolves) and therefore most of our votes, mathematically speaking, end up being anti-village. So unless we all sit around, debate, fake reveal, etc. until the first night deadline, most villager votes are little more than random stabs/guesses. If you vote without reason or cause or it looks random, you're a wolf. If you vote with reason or cause, you don't know crap and you are still a wolf. My vote is a joke vote and could move but on D1, it'll only move to avoid a tie or if someone comes out doing the wolfy-dance.

What he said.

Hence, I didn't do the "revenge" vote on him. I knew it was coming, it happened. Time to wait and see what else happens. Unfortunately I knew that meant I would be on the block in a small game but so be it. As long as we learn from whoever else jumps on board than we are good.

[KWhit]

How does any day 1 vote truly help the village? We're all voting blindly (except the wolves) and therefore most of our votes, mathematically speaking, end up being anti-village. So unless we all sit around, debate, fake reveal, etc. until the first night deadline, most villager votes are little more than random stabs/guesses. If you vote without reason or cause or it looks random, you're a wolf. If you vote with reason or cause, you don't know crap and you are still a wolf. My vote is a joke vote and could move but on D1, it'll only move to avoid a tie or if someone comes out doing the wolfy-dance.

No, the point that Lathum and I are making is that a pre-determined vote hurts the village later in the game because it is impossible to analyze. All villager votes on Day 1 are crap shoots, but down the line they mean more than if they didn't happen at all, since we can look back and try to see trends. The pre-determined votes make that harder.

It's not a big deal, but given the lack of anything else to base a vote on I will vote for anything that I see as being non-helpful to the village. That usually means I'll vote for someone who is overly quiet or hasn't checked in on day one. But in this case, I'm going for the guy whose voting pattern makes determining his allegiance tougher down the road.

[Darth Vilus]

Are we allowed to say who we are?

Vote Danny

I wouldn't say who you are unless you are revealing at the time. In the sequel roles and characters will be irrelevent from each other.

Heading out to work, won't be back til around 11:30 EST. Short day today :-)

[Danny]

I agree completely with Lathum and Kwhit. They've explained the reasons very well, so I won't rehash them, but I will say one of the strengths of my game is mid to late in the game when looking back at all the votes from the early days and noticing patterns and what not. Having pre determined day 1 votes makes that more difficult and is not helpful for the village day 1 or later in the game.

At this point, I lean towards voting Poli or EF. My gut so far tells me PB is a villager.

[ntndeacon]

And certainly there is no qualm with voting quiet people just to vote them at the start.

[Telle]

Well I'm heading out soon and I don't know whether or not I'll get home from crochet class in time for deadline, so I need to put a vote in now. I've tend to prefer a three-way vote on Day 1, so:

vote The Jackal

[Telle]

Votes as of post #103:

2 - EagleFan - PudeuFrad (40), ntndeacon (57)
2 - The Jackal - Autumn (56), Telle (103)
1 - Danny - Poli (61)
3 - Poli - Lathum (63), EagleFan (66), KWhit (91)

Yet to vote: Danny, J23, Jackal

Everyone has checked in.

[ntndeacon]

I am starting to come to the conclusion EF isn't bad. (at least as a day one type conclusion)
Unvote EagleFan

[ntndeacon]

and note Eaglefans vote shuld be on Lathum not Poli

[EagleFan]

Votes as of post #103:

2 - EagleFan - PudeuFrad (40), ntndeacon (57)
2 - The Jackal - Autumn (56), Telle (103)
1 - Danny - Poli (61)
3 - Poli - Lathum (63), EagleFan (66), KWhit (91)

Yet to vote: Danny, J23, Jackal

Everyone has checked in.

I voted Lathum.

[Telle]

and note Eaglefans vote shuld be on Lathum not Poli

Thanks for catching that.

[Telle]

Hmmm.. and evidently my comment on making it a three-way race no longer makes sense in light of that correction to my spreadsheet. Ah well.. it's Day 1.. The Jackal is just as good of a candidate as any of us.

[Telle]

Votes as of post #109:

1 - EagleFan - PurdueBrad (40)
2 - The Jackal - Autumn (56), Telle (103)
1 - Danny - Poli (61)
2 - Poli - Lathum (63), KWhit (91)
1 - Lathum - EagleFan (66)

Yet to vote: Danny, J23, Jackal

[EagleFan]

I agree completely with Lathum and Kwhit. They've explained the reasons very well, so I won't rehash them, but I will say one of the strengths of my game is mid to late in the game when looking back at all the votes from the early days and noticing patterns and what not. Having pre determined day 1 votes makes that more difficult and is not helpful for the village day 1 or later in the game.

At this point, I lean towards voting Poli or EF. My gut so far tells me PB is a villager.

There are just as many theories about day one votes as there are day one votes. How are you leaning towards Poli? He is just as likely a wolf or villager as anyone else and his vote doesn't mean a thing one way or the other.

Voting him just because of his vote is equally bad, or actually worse, than his day one vote.

Over the past 5 games that I have been a villager (not counting any of the wolf games as I obviously wasn't worried abou deciphering anything in those games) I tried to base my votes off early voting patterns in 4 of them. I was dead wrong every time. In the 5th game I went back to reading posts and what people were saying and by day 3 I had picked up 2 of the 3 wolves (though wasn't believed). People put WAY too much stock on voting patterns.

This has even been discussed in other threads (how the wolves have gotten so much better at disguising any of their early votes) but we go right back to worrying about early voting patterns?

Look for inconsistencies or people trying to shove their beliefs down other players throats and that will help more that worrying about early voting patterns.

[Danny]

Over the past 5 games that I have been a villager (not counting any of the wolf games as I obviously wasn't worried abou deciphering anything in those games) I tried to base my votes off early voting patterns in 4 of them. I was dead wrong every time. In the 5th game I went back to reading posts and what people were saying and by day 3 I had picked up 2 of the 3 wolves (though wasn't believed). People put WAY too much stock on voting patterns.


Not to toot my own horn as it is a strength of my game, but almost every game looking at voting patterns helps me find a wolf. Last game, it narrowed my choices to Autumn and PB on day 3 I believe. If Autumn doesn't duke it away from PB or If people followed me on PB the day Poli was lynched, the village wins that game.

I won't name all the games, but needless to say, voting history helps me significantly in almost every game that I live long enough in.

[PurdueBrad]

I will say this, my vote was not necessarily pre-determined but it also wasn't (make sense?). Here's how I look at my day 1 voting:

1. Danny- not voting D1 because I've helped nightkill him D1 recently
2. Poli- figured enough people were after him for his strategy
3. Telle- I've been responsible for several early lynchings/killings of Telle when we play and I usually end up being suspicious of her
4. Lathum- last game, duking, nuff said
5. Purduebrad- come on, I love me some me
6. J23- been a good wolf partner so I give him a d1 pass this game, especially since he ended up giving his life two games ago for the good of the wolf team
7. ntndeacon- quiet but he was a candidate for me
8. Kwhit- been a good wolf partner as well but I value him as a villager a ton too
9. Autumn- two games ago he saved me, I saved him last game, maybe it's his turn to save me again. Kidding, he was a candidate
10. EagleFan- Usually votes me D1, so I could beat him to the punch. A candidate
11. Jackal- Another good wolf partner and I don't think I've played much with him lately

So my candidates came down to three before conversations started: EF, Autumn, and ntn. ntn's style is quiet though, so I can't fault him for that. That left me Autumn and EF and for the first time ever I could beat him the punch. So in a way it was pre-determined by all the previous games I've played, particularly recently, and partly based on who was specifically in this game when we got under way.

[PurdueBrad]

Ooops, first sentence should say: vote was not necessarily pre-determined but also was.

[Poli]

I love being the tip of the spear in this game. I hope I become the day 1 lynch every game. That would be awesome.

DV said not to reveal about something, but I didn't understand it.

Just so you know, I'm Johnny Cage, a vanilla villager. I don't see how it has any consequence whatsoever in saying who I am since that is who I am...so there you have it.

[Poli]

If I wasn't so stubborn, I'd vote myself, but why should I move my own vote when it's not me who sucks?

[ntndeacon]

Poli we know what roles go with what names.

[ntndeacon]

I sort of hate doing this, as I would prefer another candidate out there. I am going to put my vote on The Jackal. It is time to get this narrowed down a bit. hopefully others will make it a little closer. than 3-1 (yes I am ignoring the votes on Poli at the moment.)

Vote the Jackal

[Lathum]

If I wasn't so stubborn, I'd vote myself, but why should I move my own vote when it's not me who sucks?

Sucks?

[The Jackal]

Suppose I have to vote self defense, heading out to dinner, will check back to see what goes down.

VOTE POLI

[The Jackal]

I just read Poli's reveal.. first of all there aren't any vanilla villagers, and secondly Cage is a good one to pick to reveal as because the only way the power can be proven is by surviving a NK?

[The Jackal]

DV - do the wolves know what roles aren't in the game?

[The Jackal]

I'll try and check back before 9 to see if it makes sense to revisit my vote.

[EagleFan]

I will say this, my vote was not necessarily pre-determined but it also wasn't (make sense?). Here's how I look at my day 1 voting:

1. Danny- not voting D1 because I've helped nightkill him D1 recently
2. Poli- figured enough people were after him for his strategy
3. Telle- I've been responsible for several early lynchings/killings of Telle when we play and I usually end up being suspicious of her
4. Lathum- last game, duking, nuff said
5. Purduebrad- come on, I love me some me
6. J23- been a good wolf partner so I give him a d1 pass this game, especially since he ended up giving his life two games ago for the good of the wolf team
7. ntndeacon- quiet but he was a candidate for me
8. Kwhit- been a good wolf partner as well but I value him as a villager a ton too
9. Autumn- two games ago he saved me, I saved him last game, maybe it's his turn to save me again. Kidding, he was a candidate
10. EagleFan- Usually votes me D1, so I could beat him to the punch. A candidate
11. Jackal- Another good wolf partner and I don't think I've played much with him lately

So my candidates came down to three before conversations started: EF, Autumn, and ntn. ntn's style is quiet though, so I can't fault him for that. That left me Autumn and EF and for the first time ever I could beat him the punch. So in a way it was pre-determined by all the previous games I've played, particularly recently, and partly based on who was specifically in this game when we got under way.

Not the greatest defense of oneself to be honest, pointing out how good of a wolf partner some have been as the reason for not voting against. ;)

Actually, the reason for this post is that again you say I usually vote for you on day one. I have not voted for you on day one in almost a year.

[Poli]

I just read Poli's reveal.. first of all there aren't any vanilla villagers, and secondly Cage is a good one to pick to reveal as because the only way the power can be proven is by surviving a NK?

Umm, I know what my PM said, and it said I'm a vanilla villager. Are you saying we have other stuff going on in the rules?

Well, that sucks.

[Poli]

Johnny Cage: A martial arts superstar trained by great masters around the world Johnny Cage has joined Raiden to defeat Shao Kahn as well as prove to the world that he is the great fighter he portrays in his films. Since Johnny needs to keep himself healthy for photo shoots he always travels with a personal medical team on hand. If he is the night kill target his team will be able to save him from death, but since he will have depleted theirs supplies he may only do this once.


Well I'll be danged. Why would I get told I'm a vanilla villager if I'm not.

[Autumn]

Sorry, I wasn't here as much as I htought I was going to be. Have to get the kids to bed. I will be on before deadline I hope.

However, I'm going to switch my vote now in case it can count. The player who's pinged me in day one the most is not on the vote list now, but we have two hours. When I come back I'll switch it away if need be. My son is dragging me out of here, so I can't explain any more.

<b>unvote jackal
vote ntndeacon</b>

[Poli]

Heh, just looked at my PM again. FWIW, it says I'm Johnny Cage and a vanilla villager...and then I have a half naked picture of myself with black and blue pants and I guess gloves as well.

Not the Johnny Cage I remember from my youth, but so be it.

[Poli]

As long as I can force others to predetermine their votes with my own, then the power is mine and I'll warp this game as much as I can.

[EagleFan]

As of 120:

EagleFan 1 - PurdueBrad (41)
Lathum 1 - EagleFan (66)
The Jackal 2 - Telle (103), ntndeacon (118)
Danny 1 - Poli (61)
Poli 3 - Lathum (63), KWhit (91), The Jackal (120)
ntndeacon 1 - Autumn (127)

[Poli]

You know, it's a good thing I wasn't told I was a vanilla villager and then turn out I was the seer.

Shoot, had I known I had the nk protection going on, I wouldn't have said anything.

Thanks alot, DV!

[PurdueBrad]

EF, it really has been a long time since you voted me D1. I'm amazed, feels like it was just yesterday! But looks like I'll be moving for relevancy anyway.

[EagleFan]

EF, it really has been a long time since you voted me D1. I'm amazed, feels like it was just yesterday! But looks like I'll be moving for relevancy anyway.

If it will make you feel better I'll change to you. :)

Actually, there has been one curious play that I would like to explore and it is not related to you at all.

[PurdueBrad]

I think there are three candidates with 2 votes each. I will

unvote EF

[PurdueBrad]

Correct that, Poli has 3, and two candidates have 2.

[Poli]

unvote danny
vote lathum

See? I made a funny. Good thing that doesn't count.

[PurdueBrad]

Correct that again, I misread the post # in EF's vote count.

[PurdueBrad]

As of 130:

EagleFan 1 - PurdueBrad (41)
Lathum 1 - EagleFan (66)
The Jackal 2 - Telle (103), ntndeacon (118)
Danny 1 - Poli (61)
Poli 3 - Lathum (63), KWhit (91), The Jackal (120)
ntndeacon 1 - Autumn (127)

NM, I'm not crazy, although I'm talking to myself here as Poli makes fake vote switches. I corrected the above to say 130 instead of 120, so this is our current count. PLUS I've now unvoted.

Lathum 1 - EagleFan (66)
The Jackal 2 - Telle (103), ntndeacon (118)
Danny 1 - Poli (61)
Poli 3 - Lathum (63), KWhit (91), The Jackal (120)
ntndeacon 1 - Autumn (127)

[PurdueBrad]

So I can push Poli further ahead, tie it with Jackal, or take one of the two candidates with votes into a tie for second. For now, I'll tie things up:

vote Jackal

[Poli]

That's what I'm talking about, Team Russia representing!

[EagleFan]

Not to toot my own horn as it is a strength of my game, but almost every game looking at voting patterns helps me find a wolf. Last game, it narrowed my choices to Autumn and PB on day 3 I believe. If Autumn doesn't duke it away from PB or If people followed me on PB the day Poli was lynched, the village wins that game.

I won't name all the games, but needless to say, voting history helps me significantly in almost every game that I live long enough in.

So keep you around long enough and you can tell by random day one votes who is a wolf?

I will bet the house on it that those voting histories lean heavily towards day 2, 3, etc... and the day 1 voting history that you pick up on are the changes or lack of changes. None of this has anything to dowith someone's first day one vote.



You've all agreed that...
1) A villager has no idea who to vote for on day one.
2) A wolf does.

In that case. If Poli is a villager, his vote on Danny is just as worthless for us to analyze if he randomly decided Danny or decided before the game.

But, if Poli is a wolf his vote for Danny makes it harder for us to find him.

So, please, Poli, if you are a wolf make it easier for us...


That is the arguement in a nutshell.


There you have it. Please wolves!!!! Please make it easier to find you!!!

[EagleFan]

DV, what is the ruling on a tie? No lynch or a tie breaker mechanic?

[J23]

Just catching up now. I ws all set to vote for Poli with all the bickering, but I believe him in the Johnny Cage confused reveal of sorts, so I don't want to see him lynched (I'll let the wolves do that tonight most likely).

[Autumn]

I will be around to move my vote, so I'm not going to move it right away. I won't leave it on an outlier though.

[Autumn]

I'm hoping NTN or someone else catches on. Frankly right now I don't imagine either Jackal or Poli are wolves. Both of them made comments that make me believe they are villagers who just haven't read the rules closely.

[J23]

vote the jackal

putting my vote here for now to not kill Johnny Cage.

[EagleFan]

As of 146:

Lathum 1 - EagleFan (66)
The Jackal 4 - Telle (103), ntndeacon (118), PurdueBrad (139), J23 (146)
Danny 1 - Poli (61)
Poli 3 - Lathum (63), KWhit (91), The Jackal (120)
ntndeacon 1 - Autumn (127)

[Poli]

I'll say this: I didn't read the rules at all, particularly after I was told I was a vanilla villager. Hence, the question earlier on why shouldn't I just reveal?

I actually thought I was getting a "title" with no meaning whatsoever. So why not reveal? That was the reason I asked the question.

[EagleFan]

unvote Lathum

vote ntndeacon

Let's see what a 3rd candidate into the mix does for us.

[EagleFan]

As of 149:

The Jackal 4 - Telle (103), ntndeacon (118), PurdueBrad (139), J23 (146)
Danny 1 - Poli (61)
Poli 3 - Lathum (63), KWhit (91), The Jackal (120)
ntndeacon 2 - Autumn (127), EagleFan (149)

[Poli]

Team Russia has picked up some teammates apparently.

I'm out to play some monopoly.

Don't let the haters dissuade you. Predetermined votes are the way to go!

God Bless America!

[J23]

I hate the predetermined votes, even if other votes mean just as little on day 1. That being said I don't want to lynch a villager, or I'd be voting for you Poli ;)

[Lathum]

Unvote Poli
Vote NTN


I would be shocked if he was a wolf.

[J23]

If who was Lathum? Poli or NTN?

[Danny]

who ntn or poli?

Im either voting ntn or jackal at this point and it looks like my vote may decide it.

[Danny]

vote Jackal

i may change this

[Danny]

i miscounted, i dont want to make this 5-3, so
unvote jackal
vote ntn

[EagleFan]

As of 156:

The Jackal 5 - Telle (103), ntndeacon (118), PurdueBrad (139), J23 (146), Danny (156)
Danny 1 - Poli (61)
Poli 2 - KWhit (91), The Jackal (120)
ntndeacon 3 - Autumn (127), EagleFan (149), Lathum (153)

[Danny]

will switch if need be to avoid the tie.

[EagleFan]

As of 158:

The Jackal 4 - Telle (103), ntndeacon (118), PurdueBrad (139), J23 (146)
Danny 1 - Poli (61)
Poli 2 - KWhit (91), The Jackal (120)
ntndeacon 4 - Autumn (127), EagleFan (149), Lathum (153), Danny (157)

[J23]

really not sure why Poli didnt change his vote when he was in the thread earlier and up on the block.

[Lathum]

If who was Lathum? Poli or NTN?

Poli

[KWhit]

Do the wolves know which roles are in the game?

[KWhit]

Do the wolves know which roles are in the game?

More importantly, which roles aren't in the game?

[KWhit]

Unvote Poli
Vote The Jackal

Just to avoid a tie.

[Autumn]

Unvote Poli
Vote The Jackal

Just to avoid a tie.

But why Poli and not NTN?

[Autumn]

I mean Jackal obviously

[Autumn]

Especially since it's very possible Poli shows up in the next few moments and moves his vote to NTN.

[Autumn]

Wow I can't seem to connect my brain and my hands. I meant, Jackal comes in and votes NTN.

[EagleFan]

Especially since it's very possible Poli shows up in the next few moments and moves his vote to NTN.

Did I miss something for why it's likely that Poli switches to ntn?

[EagleFan]

Wow I can't seem to connect my brain and my hands. I meant, Jackal comes in and votes NTN.

okay, that makes more sense.

[Danny]

surprised jackal as a wolf wouldnt be here, he is usually more active as a wolf

[Autumn]

I don't think it's very likely he's a wolf.

[Autumn]

In fact, I'm afraid we may have lynched someone useful.

[J23]

I'd hope someone useful would be around more as well.

[Autumn]

Yeah, true J23, but it's been my experience lately that they're not.

[ntndeacon]

Wow I come back to find a very late run on me.

[Darth Vilus]

As the fierce fight begins fists begin to fly and the air is filled with battle cries. In the chaos it is impossible to distinguish friend from foe, the kombatants do their best to fight their adversaries as well as avoid being cornered themselves. Some order begins to emerge as the warriors start to choose sides with Ntn and Jackal left alone. They cannot defend themselves against the onslaught and Jackal is the first to fall. Some kombatants can hear something familiar in Jackal's final cry of pain. Just then the Elder Gods cry out for the battle to stop. As everyone gathers to see Jackal's lifeless body some warriors are filled with grief, others with glee.

Jackal was Sonya Blade (Slut)

You all disperse hoping you can avenge her in round two

[Darth Vilus]

As the sun rises over the horizon you all begin to rise from your peaceful slumbers. As you gather around the arena you notice that someone else is missing, someone who walked away from the battle after Jackal's death. Autumn is missing. You search his tent and discover his broken body covered in thick, green blood. You examine him closer and see that he dosen't look exactly human, he looks different.

Autumn was Reptile and a vanilla villager. He entered the tournament to exact his revenge on Shao Kahn for destroying his home realm

Day 2 of the tournament has begun

[EagleFan]

Crud, saw "slut" and thought we had a wolf.

[Darth Vilus]

The wolves do not know what roles are or aren't in the game

[KWhit]

Okay, thanks DV.

[Poli]

Wow, I am alive. I was sure I'd end up dead. So it appears that autumn understood where I was coming from...having a title but not the role. I received an explanation from dv via pm. He said something along the lines of "names may be in the game but not the roles."

something like that.

vote lathum

[Poli]

Crud, saw "slut" and thought we had a wolf.

Thought the same thing.

[Autumn]

Good luck guys.

[Poli]

really not sure why Poli didnt change his vote when he was in the thread earlier and up on the block.

I won't let the haters spit vapors on my dreams.

If I change my day 1 vote, I become part of their system. I won't do that. I'd rather die a martyr to the cause.

[KWhit]

Wow, I am alive. I was sure I'd end up dead. So it appears that autumn understood where I was coming from...having a title but not the role. I received an explanation from dv via pm. He said something along the lines of "names may be in the game but not the roles."

something like that.

vote lathum

What do you mean "Autumn understood where you were coming from?"

[Poli]

I mean he got his title and told he was a vanilla villager just like me. I think you're not going to see me lynched any time soon because the other vanilla villagers in this game can relate to my situation.

Certainly autumn did while jackal, who had a role, did not. Truth be told, I thought it was a dead giveaway that jackal had a role of some sort because he could not relate to my pm.

Similarly, I find it interesting that you have a problem understanding that.

unvote lathum

vote kwhit

not saying you're a wolf, but you likely ain't a vanilla villager, either.

[Lathum]

Wow, I am alive. I was sure I'd end up dead. So it appears that autumn understood where I was coming from...having a title but not the role. I received an explanation from dv via pm. He said something along the lines of "names may be in the game but not the roles."

something like that.

vote lathum

FWIW I had the same thing happen. I have a player who has a role and I tried to use it last night and was told that I just have that players name and not their role.

Care to explain your vote?

[Poli]

Care to explain your vote on me yesterday?

[Lathum]

I mean he got his title and told he was a vanilla villager just like me. I think you're not going to see me lynched any time soon because the other vanilla villagers in this game can relate to my situation.


Poli- this is why I unvoted you and said I would be shocked if you were a wolf.

[Lathum]

Care to explain your vote on me yesterday?

I didn't vote for you yesterday

[Poli]

I figure if your goal is to eliminate the fun I have on day 1 the least I can do is try to eliminate yours should I survive.

[Poli]

I didn't vote for you yesterday

You certainly did at one point.

[Lathum]

I figure if your goal is to eliminate the fun I have on day 1 the least I can do is try to eliminate yours should I survive.

well that's a great reason for voting someone :rolleyes:

There are obviously 2 schools of thought about the way you have done your day 1 votes, myself, KWhit, J23, Danny and others see it one way and you, Ef, and others see it another way. I don't think either side is going to convince the other about it.

[Lathum]

You certainly did at one point.

And when I determined what side you were on I unvoted you, because I want my vote to count and be meaningful.

[Poli]

Yes you did. I'll give you the mad props on that.

[KWhit]

I mean he got his title and told he was a vanilla villager just like me. I think you're not going to see me lynched any time soon because the other vanilla villagers in this game can relate to my situation.

Certainly autumn did while jackal, who had a role, did not. Truth be told, I thought it was a dead giveaway that jackal had a role of some sort because he could not relate to my pm.

Similarly, I find it interesting that you have a problem understanding that.

unvote lathum

vote kwhit

not saying you're a wolf, but you likely ain't a vanilla villager, either.

Huh? Because I didn't know WTF you were talking about in some vague comment about how Autumn gets what you were saying? I still don't know why you think Autumn understood the nature of your PM. Is it because he said this?

I don't think it's very likely he's a wolf.

Yeah, that shows some incredible insight?

I mean, I unvoted you didn't I? I wouldn't have if I would have thought you were lying about your reveal. In fact, I would have pushed hard to get you lynched.

But if you want to vote for me as some vendetta because I voted for you yesterday that's fine.

[Poli]

I didn't see that post autumn...I was referring to the fact he didnt vote for me.

I'm voting for you because you still don't get it, even when lathum is picking up on what I'm laying down.

The vendetta? Well, I consider it a small bonus.

Shoot, to be honest, I had no idea you had taken your vote off me.

[Poli]

Heh, there it is, at the top of the page. I'll give you that, k-dub.

[The Jackal]

Sorry I couldn't come around to switch my vote or make a case or what not, feeling pretty sick and wasn't near a computer. Anyways, go good people, or whatever the hell you're called

[PurdueBrad]

I'm between two people for today and neither was ever a legit candidate yesterday. We'll see which I go as I'm sort of coin toss on either.

[KWhit]

I didn't see that post autumn...I was referring to the fact he didnt vote for me.

I'm voting for you because you still don't get it, even when lathum is picking up on what I'm laying down.

The vendetta? Well, I consider it a small bonus.

Shoot, to be honest, I had no idea you had taken your vote off me.

Yeah, I get it. It's why I believed your reveal and moved my vote.

But I guess it's too much to ask you to actually read the rules or the thread of the game we're playing.

[EagleFan]

Will be tied up most of the day but will be back online this evening with plenty of time before the deadline.

Actually, I may be online earlier if I can finish up what I need to do but I doubt that.

[Poli]

I always find it hard to relate to a game when I am a vanilla villager. I know others say they play without concern, but I don't really like being a pawn.

If you have lemons make lemonade, I know. I think I'll just cut my lemons and grab some salt and eat them straight, though.

As for not reading the thread, meh, there was some goofy stuff going on last night, alot of mention of me when they meant jackal or something. I just didn't think I'd get much out of it so I skimmed and moved on.

[ntndeacon]

My problem with voting is most of my ideas towards folks is about innocence rather than guilt. I realize that in itself is a help. but it makes voting still rather random for those I haven't seen innocence in them yet.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm putting one out there now, the other would be a repeat of yesterday's first vote by me.

vote Danny

[J23]

vote PurdueBrad

Subject to change, but something doesn't sit right with me about your posts yesterday.

[EagleFan]

So far I haven't seen anything that pushes my decision one way or the other yet. I am leaning in one direction based on that person posting misleading information yesterday and that is PB.

He continually mentions his vote for me being because I always vote for him day one, though it is readily available to see that I have not voted for him day one in almost a year.


Because of that I will leave a placeholder vote for him. Possible to change depending on how the rest of the day goes.


vote PurdueBrad

[PurdueBrad]

I'm going to come up as vanilla as the inside of a Peep but it's all good.

[J23]

So far I haven't seen anything that pushes my decision one way or the other yet. I am leaning in one direction based on that person posting misleading information yesterday and that is PB.

He continually mentions his vote for me being because I always vote for him day one, though it is readily available to see that I have not voted for him day one in almost a year.


Because of that I will leave a placeholder vote for him. Possible to change depending on how the rest of the day goes.


vote PurdueBrad

For the record, my feeling had nothing to do with your little back and forth honestly. It was the posts about where he moved his vote to next. I'm still not sold, but it's the way I'm leaning atm.

[Danny]

Well, I am not a fan of at least one of the two choices so far.

[Telle]

Well, I am not a fan of at least one of the two choices so far.

Obviously you're not a fan of you being a choice.. but which is the other and why?

[Danny]

I meant myself :).

I am not specifically opposed to PB although I lean away from voting for him.

Right now, I think i will put a vote on Kwhit as when I read Poli's post I instantly knew what he was talking about and I think Kwhit would have too if he was a vanilla villager. I also thought his vote for Jackal over Ntn without any reasoning was a bit suspicious.

Vote
Kwhit

[J23]

Just a heads up, I can't be around at deadline. As a result, I'd love to hear what people are thinking earlier rather than later :p

[Telle]

I meant myself :).

I am not specifically opposed to PB although I lean away from voting for him.

Right now, I think i will put a vote on Kwhit as when I read Poli's post I instantly knew what he was talking about and I think Kwhit would have too if he was a vanilla villager. I also thought his vote for Jackal over Ntn without any reasoning was a bit suspicious.

Vote
Kwhit

Oh I read it wrong.. I read it as you not being a fan of two of the choices.. hence why I asked who the other was. This is what I get for multi-tasking :)

[Danny]

Going to medieval times tonight, so will be out a couple hours before and not be around for deadline.

[EagleFan]

As of 217:

KWhit 2 - Poli (188), Danny (214)
Danny 1 - PurdueBrad (207)
PurdueBrad 2 - J23 (208), EagleFan (209)

[Telle]

Well I'm heading out shortly and I'm not sure if I'll be on before deadline tonight as I have my knitting group this evening. I have no real feel for anyone yet, so I'm just going to go with one of the lead vote-getters:

vote KWhit

[ntndeacon]

At least til I get home I plan to tie it up. we will see what can be done, as I will be in near the deadline.

Vote PurdueBrad

[KWhit]

Need to go into self-preservation mode:

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[PurdueBrad]

I'm going to come up as vanilla as the inside of a Peep but it's all good.

What part of vanilla like a Peep aren't you people understanding? EF, is D2 your new time to vote PB?

[Lathum]

VOTE KWhit

Based on Dannys logic, I knew what Poli was talking about right away.

[Danny]

Heading out for the night, not changing my vote.

[Danny]

Isnt a peep those yellow baby chick marshmallow candies?

[ntndeacon]

Unvote PurdueBrad
Vote KWhit

[PurdueBrad]

As of 226:


KWhit 4 - Poli (188), Danny (214), Telle (219), Lathum (223)
Danny 1 - PurdueBrad (207)
PurdueBrad 4 - J23 (208), EagleFan (209), ntndeacon (220), KWhit (221)

[PurdueBrad]

OOPS, corrected here, as of 228:

KWhit 5: Poli (188), Danny (214), Telle (219), Lathum (223), ntndeacon (226)
Danny 1: PurdueBrad (207)
PurdueBrad 3: J23 (208), EF (209), KWhit (221)

[ntndeacon]

Has no faith in Kwhit this game. wanted it close to see what everyone did. BUt has no real feelings about PB yet. Kwhit on the other hand.... really has hit the lupine scope a bit.

[PurdueBrad]

Well, I'll follow ntn's lead as I was doing something similar, looking for closeness which is why my vote went somewhere that I thought wouldn't gain any momentum.

unvote Danny

vote KWhit

[PurdueBrad]

As of 230

KWhit 6: Poli (188), Danny (214), Telle (219), Lathum (223), ntndeacon (226), PurdueBrad (230)

PurdueBrad 3: J23 (208), EF (209), KWhit (221)

[EagleFan]

What part of vanilla like a Peep aren't you people understanding? EF, is D2 your new time to vote PB?

We know what vanilla means. But we also know that you wouldn't be the first wolf to claim to be a villager (vanilla or other) so that claim really doesn't mean anything to us to be honest.

[Poli]

What have I missed?

[Poli]

I guess nothing!

[EagleFan]

I guess nothing!

Looks like it. I missed much of the day but didn't see many new posts when I did get a chance to check in.

[Darth Vilus]

Deadline

A 6:00, my computer was acting up

[Darth Vilus]

Round two of the tournament has begun! Each earthrealm warrior is determined to pay back the Outworlders for the deaths of Sonya and Reptile. Everyone begins to choose sides again, some attacking PurdueBrad and others surrounding Kwhit. Kwhit fights valiantly, stopping two opponents in their tracks. PurdeBrad's attackers stop and gaze upon Kwhit's skills. "Only Shao Kahn can possess such power!" Everyone decides Khwit will be the target today. In one blinding flash of fire, spear, ice, and lightning Kwhit is thrown to the floor, his body unmoving. The Elder Gods cry out for you to hault once more. As the dust settles you can gaze more closely at the fallen figure that is Kwhit. You can not believe your eyes as you look upon his visage, his eyes white and staring, his golden hat askew, the last remains of electricity leaving his body.

Kwhit was Raiden (Seer)

Everyone backs away in disbelief, the Thunder God Raiden and Protector of Earthrealm has fallen.

Round 3 will commence at dawn

[Darth Vilus]

Night results coming

[Lathum]

oops

[Poli]

Well, I was right to an extent. I didn't know who or what he was, but I knew he wasn't a vanilla villager. It's a shame he didn't fight the power.

[Poli]

Can I just forfeit the game now?

[Darth Vilus]

Everyone wakes from an uneasy sleep in the morning. You are all ready to fight, to win Mortal Kombat in Raiden's name. His team gathers together to discuss strategy in hopes of avoiding such a catastrophe as yesterday. One of you remarks "But where is Danny?" You rush to his quarters fearing the worst. You find him laying across his bed, his neck broken. NTN cries out "Oh no! It's Liu!!"

Danny was Liu Kang (Bodyguard)

Earthrealm's warriors stand discouraged and demoralized, their two greatest hopes of victory have been defeated.

[J23]

sigh

[Lathum]

LMAO

[PurdueBrad]

That couldn't have been much worse.

[Poli]

ugh this has been great.

[EagleFan]

Crud, looks like I need to go back to where I was yesterday. Mostly a place holder but I am not getting a good vibe from him to be honest.


vote PurdueBrad

[Danny]

lol. Good luck guys

[PurdueBrad]

I'll respond:

vote Eaglefan

[Poli]

Vote Eaglefan

I have little to nothing to go on.