Werewolf CXIII: 2010 NFL Draft (WOLVES WIN! #1 Pick: Crimson Fox)

[PurdueBrad]

The game will begin Tuesday March 30'th with noon and 9 PM CST deadlines (24 hour clock in terms of voting, scans, blocks, etc.). Roles will be determined by the number of sign-ups.

When you sign-up, please PM me or post publicly what position and what college you would like to represent. It'll be used more for flavor than anything (position may play a small role in the draft process), so particular football knowledge is not required.

--RULES--
This will be run as a standard game of WereWolf, villagers vs. wolves. For the wolves to win, they must get the game down to a 1:1 ratio of wolves to villagers. For the villagers to win, they must eliminate all the wolves. Wolves may PM each other freely. The player with the most votes each day will be lynched. You do not know what will happen in the event of a tie. Votes MUST be in bold to count and votes are good until the forum clock clicks to 9:01 CST

In addition to the standard game, an individual competition will be happening simultaneously. Each player is competing for the number 1 draft pick in the draft. The individual that accomplishes this will be a major victor. IF the game ends prior to Draft Day, then the number 1 rated player that day will be the major victor.

There may be rewards for players that are the top daily performer in the two events.

Each player will start the game with a certain number of energy points (50 points per player for the entire game) that can be spent in the variety of events. Events that may appear include (but are not limited to):

Day 1- Senior Game (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=2255173&postcount=96)
Night 1- Pro-Day
Day 2- Combine Event: 40 yd dash
Night 2- Combine Event: Wonderlic test
Day 3- Combine Event: Bench press
Night 3- Combine Event: Interview
Day 4- Individual team workouts
Night 4- NFL Draft Green Room Invites
Day 5- Draft Day (picks up to #3) REMAINING POINTS ARE AUTOMATICALLY SPENT HERE
Night 5- Draft Day (picks #2 and #1)


Your daily responsibility as a player is two-fold:
1- Submit daily points via PM to be used in the daily and evening event (failure to submit points will result in 0 points expended). I'll take these anytime up until noon CST for the afternoon deadline and 9 pm CST for the evening deadline but you can submit them both at once anytime after the previous evening's deadline.

2- Submit a lynch vote on the forum each day to eliminate one of your competitors. Lynch is done at the evening deadline (failure to vote will result in a loss of 5 energy points).


Mel Kiper will publish a daily report of each event so players will have a general knowledge of their standing but there may be some unforeseen adjustments. The published reports will be relatively close to truth, but again, not exact.

-Possible Roles (HOWEVER there may be some other "abilities" at play as well)-
VILLAGE ROLES
Seer- Once per night, may submit a name to have that person scanned. Information received will only be "villager" or "wolf."
Bodyguard- May choose to guard one player per night, may not guard the same person consecutively and may not guard self.
Duke- Once per game, my choose to save the lynch target and replace them with another player of his choosing.

WOLF ROLES
Brutal- When lynched, this wolf is strong enough to take another player with him.

Sample Vanilla Villager PM:
You are a vanilla villager. You have 50 energy points which you can spend however you want in each event. There will be two events per day, one at noon CST and one at nine pm CST. Good luck!

[PurdueBrad]

Sign-ups and bios

1- Schmidty: Running Back, Michigan State University- Schmidty is a bruiser, built like a tank but enough speed that once he runs you over...he's gone. He does the little things, picks up the pass block, makes a catch in the flats, and can run for the hard yards. He's a big threat with the ball in general, but the most dangerous plowing through the middle.

Schmidty could be the first great running back to wear the Lions' blue since the great Barry Sanders. While Sanders was agile and graceful, Schmidty is brute force and power. The Black and Blue division better look out because Schmidty will likely make his mark on plenty of the defenses.

2- Danny: Quarterback, University of California- The Bears relied on their strong-armed QB as they made an impressive run through the PAC-10. Danny is not known for his speed or athleticism but instead for dead-eye accuracy and one of the strongest arms to come through the draft in years. Give him time and he'll pick apart any defense.

Danny was a surprising slip given his swagger but he ended up with the home state San Francisco 49'ers. Will he be the next in a long line of great SF quarterbacks? Well, he can't be much worse then what they've been stuck with lately. Look for him to put up some tremendous numbers against the Rams, take on the challenge of the Cardinals surprising defense, and face off with fellow rookie Autumn when they play the Seahawks.

3- JEHeinz: Nose Tackle, University of Wisconsin- The Badger's stud D-lineman JEHeinz is a force to be reckoned with. He is built perfectly for a 3-4 defense as he's big, tough, and strong. During the Big Ten season teams actively ran to the outside rather than deal with Heinz. It didn't matter though as he has the play anticipation and quicks to track down runners from behind and smash them like a tomato.

The Bills defense took a huge step forward in drafting Heinz. He should be able to help destroy the Jets' running game, help contain the New England Patriots offensive attack, and fluster the Dolphins' Wildcat offense. Heinz will be loved by the loyal Bills fans and should eat his weight in wings.

4- Abe Sargent: Kicker, Marshall University- A first round pick who's a kicker? They don't call Abe 'The Leg' for nothing. His range is spectacular (two 65 yard field goals in his senior season) but more impressive is his streak of 38 straight field goals made at 45 yards or less, especially when one considers the uncertain weather in Huntington, West Virginia. He's a kicker that is more offensive weapon than anything.

Abe Sargent will get plenty of opportunities to kick field goals and extra points with the offensive attack of David Garrard and Maurice Jones Drew. The Florida sunshine should be a nice change of pace over those West Virginia winters. He has a booming leg and will put up huge points.

5- KWhit: Quarterback, University of Georgia- KWhit is another great Bulldogs quarterback, much in the mold of David Greene. He broke most of Eric Zeier's 11 school records and is a tenacious competitor. He's quiet but confident and his killer instinct earned him the nickname 'The Athens Assassin.'

Maybe KWhit will be a big deal quarterback pick that won't bust out in Tampa Bay. His accuracy and competitive drive should be welcomed as his style of play should beckon back to that of the very popular Mike Alstott. Bucs fans should welcome the aerial assault that KWhit brings.

6- The Jackal: Free Safety, University of Maryland- The ACC is not known for having brutal, crushing defenders (outside 'The U' of course) but Jackal is the exception. In his senior year, it was a battle on whether Jackal would force more fumbles, make more picks, or knock out more players. For the record, he forced 4 fumbles, made 5 picks, and knocked 2 players unconscious.

From one coast to the other, Jackal is the second player taken by the Seahawks. He'll join Autumn as the other safety across the field. This two picks make the Seahawks' defense absolutely deadly and dangerous. Jackal should also love getting the opportunity to square off against rookie QB Danny. The Seahawks have propelled themselves to the top of the division in defense with this pick as Jackal starts his head-hunting in the NFL.

7- Henry296: Outside Linebacker, University of Pennsylvania- Henry is a rare specimen, combining intellect, speed, and power. He plays with a chip on his shoulder and is always a threat to unleash great fury on opponents. He gave up a scholarship to Penn State to instead pursue academics in addition to football (and to play for a coach that is more human than cyborg).

Henry isn't going too far from Pennsylvania, joining one of the home state Steelers' rivals in the Cleveland Browns. He'll help up the intensity and skill of the Browns D as they try to get on the same level as the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals. The drafting of Henry will hopefully signal a turning point for the Browns, as they've added a lot of speed and agility.

8- Autumn: Safety, University of New Hampshire- Autumn was the defensive leader of a surprising University of New Hampshire Wildcats tremendous defense. More speed, flash, and instinct than brute force, Autumn is a game-changer and will likely bring his amazing athleticism to special teams in addition to defense.

Autumn should have a bright career ahead of him playing in the Pacific Northwest. It's a big move for the player from New Hampshire but he should find his skills challenged by some of the NFC West's stars. We're all looking forward to the first time he matches up with the receiving corp that the Cardinals have or, even better, when the 49'ers roll in with rookie quarterback Danny.

9- Crimson Fox: Wide Receiver, Notre Dame- Crimson Fox may be one of the few likable players to elevate through the ranks of the Fighting Irish. Tall and strong, he's as suited for a jump ball in basketball as he is for catching a deep pass in the NFL. He's the biggest deep threat in the draft.

The Falcons got a tremendous weapon to go with their play-action offense. Matt Ryan should love hitting Crimson Fox on deep route after deep route. He'll be the biggest name receiver in Atlanta since Andre 'Bad Moon' Rison. He should dominate in the Dome and be very popular among the Falcons loyal.

10-ntndeacon: Defensive Tackle, Wake Forest- Calling Deacon of the Demon Deacons a run stopper is like calling a Magnum .44 a handgun. He is a demon in the middle, oftentimes tacking on double-teams and still finding a way to lead the ACC in tackles for a loss. His punishing hits have jarred many a ball carriers and caused a tremendous amount of fumbles, forcing six in just twelve games his senior year.

The Chiefs are trying to re-establish their defense and this selection goes a long way to doing that. Deacon should hold down the middle against the running attacks they'll face in the West. Teams will have to scheme around Deacon, otherwise they'll just have to get used to a 1.0 yard per carry average and a fumble or two a game.

11- Hoopsguy: Cornerback, University of Illinois- Five defensive touchdowns in his senior season and nine for his career have made Hoopsguy a legend on the University of Illinois campus. The Blue and Orange Streak has terrific football skills, intellect, and, in the rare times he finds himself out of position, has the speed to correct any miscalculations. Don't mistake him for Deion Sanders though, Hoopsguy welcomes contact and even recorded four sacks this past year out of cornerback blitzes.

Who knew that there could be something worse than playing for the Illini? Out of the frying pan and into the fire, Hoopsguy is going to be part of the Al Davis/Tom Cable Raiders. But he is joining an amazing pass defense and he only makes them that much more dangerous. He should get lots of opportunities for picks against the Chiefs' Matt Cassell and the Broncos' Kyle Orton. Philip Rivers will be a challenge but we think Hoops is up to it.

12- Darth Vilus: Wide Receiver, UCLA- Darth was considered a second round pick until he torched the Cal Bears for 13 catches, 179 yards, and 3 touchdowns. Dude had some serious dark Jedi action going that day. But then Darth continued from there, tearing it up the rest of the way by catching anything and everything thrown within the Northwest Hemisphere. Darth is a first down and touchdown machine.

This may have ended up being the most important pick in the draft as Vilus will be a weapon for the rifle arm of Donovan McNabb. He's surrounded by possession receivers so he should be the home run hitter for the 'Skins. I would not want to be in the Eagles' secondary when McNabb-Vilus come to town, because it could get ugly.

13- Chief Rum: Defensive End, UCLA- Opposing quarterbacks need a good stiff shot of rum after taking shots from Chief Rum. He's a burner off the corner, just ask Danny from Cal. He crushed the highly rated quarterback three times but that was just one of three games where CR recorded three sacks. He is a punishing and brutal tackler and the pure epitome of controlled violence.

Is this a return to the Orange Crush defense of the Broncos? CR will be a monster at stopping the run and chasing down quarterbacks, especially in the particularly weak AFC West. Raiders? Ha! Chiefs? Come on! Chargers? The only thing charging there will be CR at Phillip Rivers. Look out league, here comes CR!

14- J23: Running Back, Stanford- If Rice a Roni is the San Francisco treat then J23 and his shake and bake moves are the pride of the Stanford Cardinal. J23 led the Pac-10 in yards from the line of scrimmage. He has an array of moves that is video game-esque, from a powerful stiff arm, a quick spin, and ability to hit a gear higher than anyone else on the field.

Ronnie Brown's off-season issues with a DUI and season-ending injury have forced the Dolphins to make a big move. J23 is going to have to be a big time play-maker to get the Dolphins back on the winning track. He faces tough defenses in the Jets, Patriots, and Bills in the AFC East but he should be a show-stopper, particularly if and when he gets to the outside.

[PurdueBrad]

Team Draft Order (Subject to change with trades)

1. Atlanta Falcons (CB, LB, K) Crimson Fox
2. Detroit Lions (DE, CB, RB) Schmidty
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (DT, WR, K) KWhit
4. Washington Redskins (OT, QB, RB) Darth Vilus
5. Kansas City Chiefs (OT, S, LB) ntndeacon/Lathum
6. Seattle Seahawks (DE, OT, RB) The Jackal- duke D4
7. Cleveland Browns (DT, DE, S) Henry- villager D4
8. Oakland Raiders (QB, OT, WR) Hoopsguy- villager D3
9. Buffalo Bills (OLB, OT, QB) JEHeinz- seer D3
10. Jacksonville Jaguars (DE, S, LB) Abe Sargent, brutal wolf D3
11. Denver Broncos (WR, C, NT) Chief Rum- villager D2
12. Miami Dolphins (WR, S, NT) J23- villager, D2
13. San Francisco 49'ers (OT, S, CB) Danny- villager, D1
14. Seattle Seahawks Autumn- Bodyguard, D1
15. New York Giants (S, LB, DT)
16. Tennessee Titans (LB, CB, DT)
17. San Francisco 49'ers
18. Pittsburgh Steelers (CB, S, NT)
19. St. Louis Rams (QB, DT)
20. Houston Texans (RB, C, S)

will add more if needed...

A SLIGHT bonus may occur if the drafting team needs your position, however most teams will draft the best available player. In addition, trades may occur and cause pick movements.

[Schmidty]

I'll play again.

[Poli]

In. I'm kidding, of course.

[Danny]

I'll play, though I'm not going to be at my usual activity level just like last game.

[jeheinz72]

In. Deadline is a bit salty for me but I should be able to make it rock

[Abe Sargent]

in

[KWhit]

I'll play.

[The Jackal]

Sure, in

[EagleFan]

Going to sit this one out. Will be away all next week for work so I have no idea what my availability would look like.

[PurdueBrad]

Going to sit this one out. Will be away all next week for work so I have no idea what my availability would look like.

You would sit my game out...douchebag.

[EagleFan]

You would sit my game out...douchebag.

lol, sorry.

Who would I vote for? :)

Plus you would probably have a rule that says I have to be the day one vote... ;)

[PurdueBrad]

In all honesty, I will miss having you in the game, but I understand.

[henry296]

In again.

I want to be an outside linebacker from the University of Pennsylvania. If you say Penn State, I'll go Poli on you.

[PurdueBrad]

Rules posted and bios updated

[Autumn]

In.

Safety, University of New Hampshire.

[Danny]

Quarterback, University of Cal (my actual school doesn't have a team).

[Danny]

I'm pretty much the first pick by default as no one ever picks safeties or linebackers #1.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm pretty much the first pick by default as no one ever picks safeties or linebackers #1.

Well then, you enjoy the Rams. That's called winning and losing all at once.

[CrimsonFox]

You would sit my game out...douchebag.


LOL! You are my new favorite PB! :)

[CrimsonFox]

In, Wide Receiver, Notre Dame

[KWhit]

QB - University of Georgia

[Abe Sargent]

My char - K, Marshall University.

[Schmidty]

Michigan State please.

[Schmidty]

Michigan State please.

Running back, just like in school.

(So, I guess the closest thing to a 1st round FB as possible.....)

[PurdueBrad]

Giving this a quick bump...will make adjustments if our numbers stay between here and a dozen.

[Abe Sargent]

Let's go WVU!!!!!

[Poli]

Let's go WVU!!!!!

+1. Beat Kentucky!

[CrimsonFox]

You would sit my game out...douchebag.

Instead of "throwing the pigskin", we could "toss the douchebag".
(Wearing rubber gloves, of course)

[ntndeacon]

in and DT from Wake Forest

[PurdueBrad]

in and DT from Wake Forest

Gotcha!

[CrimsonFox]

Yay ntn!

[hoopsguy]

In.

CB from University of Illinois.

[PurdueBrad]

In.

CB from University of Illinois.

Gotcha!

Keep signing up guys, this is a really good group.

[PurdueBrad]

Made some minor adjustments such as two events per day and rewards for daily top performers. Also, possible roles listed.

[The Jackal]

Hopefully some more people will signup tomorrow.

[PurdueBrad]

Hopefully some more people will signup tomorrow.

My hopes too, I'm actually going to run signups through tomorrow night if there are no objections. I'll have roles out Monday night by 9 pm CST.

[EagleFan]

My hopes too, I'm actually going to run signups through tomorrow night if there are no objections. I'll have roles out Monday night by 9 pm CST.

I object!!!!

:D

:devil:

[PurdueBrad]

I object!!!!

:D

:devil:

Please refer to post #12.


For the rest of you, I'll be available most of the day tomorrow to answer any rules questions you may have (hopefully it looks as simple as it is in my head). I would love to get a couple more signups in tomorrow as well but if we don't, I'm excited about the group we've got. :)

[Darth Vilus]

If I behave myself can I play? Won't say a thing derogatory towards any other player. 'Cept Danny of course, that's a given :-)

[CrimsonFox]

If I behave myself can I play? Won't say a thing derogatory towards any other player. 'Cept Danny of course, that's a given :-)

Aw I will feel left out :)
Pick a position and school dude :)

[Darth Vilus]

Wide receiver, UCLA (Danny going down)

[PurdueBrad]

If I behave myself can I play? Won't say a thing derogatory towards any other player. 'Cept Danny of course, that's a given :-)

I wouldn't let you play unless you were being nasty to Danny.

[Darth Vilus]

I wouldn't let you play unless you were being nasty to Danny.

Fair enough :D

[Darth Vilus]

what's CST time? I mean it's 1 hour later than EST right?

[PurdueBrad]

what's CST time? I mean it's 1 hour later than EST right?

It's an hour earlier. So if it is 10 pm EST, then it is 9 pm CST. Sorry, I hate CST time myself and miss living on the east coast but it's what I'm stuck with now! :rant:

[J23]

I'll jump in to help numbers...

I'll be a RB from Stanford

[henry296]

PB - there is a conflict in the first post. One sentence refers to 9 PM EST and another to 9 PM CST? Which is it?

[The Jackal]

Just a suggestion PB - you've got 9 PM EST in the first line, might want to change that to avoid confusion.

[The Jackal]

henry beat me to it

[PurdueBrad]

Thanks guys, missed that (I'm stupid). It will be 10 PM EST, 9 PM CST. I think that makes it the best for both coasts: 10 east coast and 7 west coast. Sorry about that. Fixed.

[PurdueBrad]

Leaving this open until 8 pm CST and then I'll begin sending out PMs.

[Chief Rum]

In before the lock? I mean, start? ;)

I thought I would sit this one out, because I really need to concenttrate on my work here. I still will do that, so it will be limited participation again. But I changed my mind and figured I would still give it a go. Seems like fun, PB.

I'll be a defensive end out of UCLA.

[The Jackal]

This week will be tough for me to make most if not all of the night deadlines, just an FYI. And working thursday and friday during the day, I'll be as active as I can.

[PurdueBrad]

In before the lock? I mean, start? ;)

I thought I would sit this one out, because I really need to concenttrate on my work here. I still will do that, so it will be limited participation again. But I changed my mind and figured I would still give it a go. Seems like fun, PB.

I'll be a defensive end out of UCLA.

Glad to have you!

[PurdueBrad]

This week will be tough for me to make most if not all of the night deadlines, just an FYI. And working thursday and friday during the day, I'll be as active as I can.

Don't sweat it, I take any PM orders as early as possible. :)

[Danny]

PB, J23 signed up at the end of page 1 as well.

[PurdueBrad]

I'll jump in to help numbers...

I'll be a RB from Stanford

J23, thanks a lot and I'm really glad to have you. I appreciated your PM.

[PurdueBrad]

PMs will be coming out in the next fifteen minutes. I'll put up a post to let you know that all PMs are out and that the game is on.

[PurdueBrad]

This is your path to the National Football League. Your hard work and performance over the past four years has set you up as a likely first round pick in this year's draft.

Over the next five days you will be subjected to a variety of events and tests meant to establish your value as a player and your spot in this year's draft.

But things aren't always as they appear. Among you are players that have cheated, juiced, and received payment to get to the same spot as you. It is your job to root them out before they possibly get a better draft spot than you or worse, cheat you in some way.

Good luck, and the Senior Bowl is tomorrow at noon CST. The more points you spend in each event, the better your performance and the better chance of receiving a reward.

[PurdueBrad]

Also, feel free to PM me with any questions. If you don't get an answer tonight, you will get one tomorrow by 6:30 AM CST. I should be available most of tomorrow to answer any questions as well.

[Autumn]

Checking in. Get ready to see me up there on the draft podium first, go Wildcats.

[PurdueBrad]

MEL KIPER'S PRE-GAME BIG BOARD:

#1- CrimsonFox
#2- ntndeacon
#3- Chief Rum
#4- KWhit
#5- JEHeinz
#6- Autumn
#7- Schmidty
#8- Darth Vilus
#9- J23
#10- The Jackal
#11- Henry
#12- Abe Sargent
#13- Danny
#14- Hoops

[Abe Sargent]

Abe is here. Let me begin by posting the pm I got from PB in its entirety....



Oh, wait....

[Autumn]

lol

[J23]

checking in, nothing interesting to report.

[henry296]

Checking in. Looking forward to showing everyone what i can do at the Senior Bowl tomorrow.

[ntndeacon]

The Deacon is ready to destroy the competition at the senior bowl

[KWhit]

Obligatory check-in post.

Hi all.

[Schmidty]

Checky no wrecky.

[Schmidty]

No idea what that means.

[CrimsonFox]

I've got my walker and depends for the senior bowl.
I don't like that I'm number one on that list.

[Lathum]

I don't like that I'm number one on that list.

Don't worry, Poli isn't allowed to play anymore

[The Jackal]

Checking in .. offensive players, listen for my footsteps

[Darth Vilus]

Checking in, Bring it People!!!!!

[Chief Rum]

Oh, yeah, it's on.

Chief Rum checking in.

I am going to bed early tonight and getting up really early tomorrow (dentist appointment in afternoon forcing early arrival to work). So expect some posts early, and then I'll disappear to get some work done, and then I probably won't be around until after deadline, when I am in pain (sucks).

[PurdueBrad]

A couple quick answers to things I received via PM:

1- Your 50 points are your total points for the entire game cycle, meaning from now until the end of the draft. Make sure you spend wisely. Event #1 is today's Senior Bowl at noon CST so PM me those point expenditures.

2- Votes are posted publicly in the forum whereas point expenditures are PM'ed.

[PurdueBrad]

3- Damn, knew I forgot one. There are players out there with skills that do not equate to roles. They have the ability to help/hurt other players in the individual tasks. These skills do no necessarily align with wolf/villager affiliation.

[PurdueBrad]

4- Each player does start the game with the same amount of energy points.

I'll be around all day for any issues and keep any and all questions coming. I'm excited about today!

[hoopsguy]

MEL KIPER'S PRE-GAME BIG BOARD:

#1- CrimsonFox
#2- ntndeacon
#3- Chief Rum
#4- KWhit
#5- JEHeinz
#6- Autumn
#7- Schmidty
#8- Darth Vilus
#9- J23
#10- The Jackal
#11- Henry
#12- Abe Sargent
#13- Danny
#14- Hoops


This big board is terrible. A travesty. Get a real analyst in here instead of the joke with big hair.

[Autumn]

Number six and creeping.

This will be interesting, like the Olympics, in seeing how much the draft competition affects voting. I'm not sure where I'll go yet.

[J23]

vote Schmidty

As the only other RB, I'm voting for the competition.

[jeheinz72]

Checking in.

I should've made my name Ndamukong Heinz

[Danny]

I think that list is upside down.

[The Jackal]

Where's Todd Mcshay when you need him?

[Autumn]

I'm looking forward to the Senior Bowl, I'm thinking I'll hold my vote until I see what happens there.

How many wolves do we guess in a game this size. Three?

[henry296]

Autumn, that seems right even with a cunning.

[Chief Rum]

My guess is three, yes.

This appears to be a regular WW game in NFL Draft colored wrapping, but right now, what comments we have are more about the drafting than the game.

It could be even harder to make an informed lynch decision today than usual, and Day Ones are always hard in the first place.

[Abe Sargent]

Are there night kills and stuff? I guess I'm still a bit confused.

[PurdueBrad]

Are there night kills and stuff? I guess I'm still a bit confused.

My apologies, yes, there are still nightkills. As CR said earlier, this is a regular WW game (nightkills and all) but wrapped up with an individual achievement flavor.

[jeheinz72]

I think the question is, do we think wolves more or less likely to assert themselves in the draft.

From what I can gather, the wolves have no posted reason to give anything about the draft and frankly might use that as cause to by-and-large ignore it

[jeheinz72]

Of course now we can probably expect a split :)

[PurdueBrad]

Also, in terms of post 91, all actions by roled players are due by 9 pm CST each day.

[Chief Rum]

It's Senior Bowl time, right? I'm not quick with the Central time zone adjustment. :)

[PurdueBrad]

North 37, South 21

Bob P- Welcome to the 2010 Senior Bowl...This year's North vs. South game featured some of the best players in the country. Today, by my side are Mike Mayock and Charles Davis, and I'm Bob Papa coming to you live from Mobile, Alabama.

I'll be covering the star of the game, but before we get to that, I'll have Mike present some of the other top performers...

Mike M- Thanks Bob, I'm going to talk about two prime-time players. Crimson Fox put on a show today, making the quarterbacks look better than they really should've. The most memorable play he made was outjumping two opponents for a 48 yard touchdown. But he had three other catches of 25 yards or more...he was awesome.

The Jackal thankfully didn't have to worry about covering CrimsonFox. He put some jarring hits out there today in what was supposed to be a showcase. I guess you can't turn off pure violence. He knocked lose one fumble and forced three drops on crushing hits. I know I would have alligator arms if I saw him coming at me today. Impressive!

Charles D- I've got the flip side of things though today. I've got to talk about the busts, and there are a couple biggies. Autumn found himself destroyed by receivers and running backs today. He just didn't seem to have his legs with him. But late word has been that he spent more time last night being seen with a lady then preparing for today's game. In fact, there are some rumors that the lady he was with is of, hmmmm, shall we say, ill-repute. I would say he left his game...somewhere else.

Schmidty was another disappointment as he didn't get much burst out there today. He's a bruiser but even that seemed off. We'll hopefully get more out of him later, but a 1.7 yard per carry average just won't cut it.

Bob P- Well that brings it back to today's star...Abe Sargent. That's right folks, a kicker. Three kicks out of the endzone for touchbacks just started things off. He then boomed four tremendous field goals of 48, 51, 56, and 58 yards. 'The Leg' was untouchable and amazing. His stock is likely soaring today. Nice job Abe!

Well folks, that's it from Mobile, but stay tuned for tonight's Pro-Day results and updated Big Board at 9 PM CST.

[PurdueBrad]

It's Senior Bowl time, right? I'm not quick with the Central time zone adjustment. :)

My last class before lunch really ends at 12:06 so it'll be a bit after each day.

[PurdueBrad]

One scout's take on player performance:

1- Abe
2- Crimson Fox
3- Jackal
4- Heinz
5- Danny
6- Henry
7- ntndeacon
8- Chief Rum
9- Hoopsguy
10- KWhit
11- J23
12- Darth Vilus
13- Schmidty
14- Autumn

[henry296]

Some quick senior bowl thoughts.

Autumn / Schmidty were both middle of the pack and appeared to mail-in the senior bowl.

Abe definitely put in some points trying to move up from the bottom of the pack.

Let me through out an idea that just popped in my head. Since the wolves are characterized as cheaters in the game, do we think they might get a bonus or have an ability to perform better on the events? Thus there 5 points might be better than the 5 points of a vanilla villager?

[Abe Sargent]

I felt that, as a Kicker, I needed to prove myself in an actual game, rather than through stats, and I'm glad it worked!!!

[PurdueBrad]

There is breaking news coming in from Atlanta right now. Chris Mortensen is our man on the scene. Chris, what are you hearing?

Chris M- It looks like there as been an early trade in the NFL Draft. The St. Louis Rams have apparently dealt their #1 overall pick to the Atlanta Falcons. This is tremendous news in terms of how this will shape the draft. The Rams will get the Falcons' 19'th overall pick as well as wide receiver Michael Jenkins. In exchange, the Rams are sending the #1 overall pick in the draft as well as a fourth rounder to the Falcons.


The big question here is who are the Falcons trying so hard to trade up for? We know they want a defensive back, linebacker or kicker. Or is this more a matter of the Rams souring on what they saw in the draft? They are still reportedly interested in a quarterback or defensive tackle, but do they even need a receiver anymore?


I expect more draft fireworks as the weeks continue...

[Autumn]

I'm a bit torn on how to analyze results myself. I had guessed that the wolves might try to not put too much effort in, in order to not make themselves stick out. on the other hand,it's possible they get some sort of benefit from winning events, though that's certainly not spelled out.

I did indeed mail it in, or at least that's how it turned out. I didn't put a lot of effort in, though I didn't expect to do this bad. That gives me a sense of how much other people are putting into the events. I guess it's possible that some one's "skill" made me do worse, but I don't suspect that at the moment.

[Autumn]

#1-CrimsonFox -1
#2- ntndeacon -5
#3- Chief Rum -5
#4- KWhit -6
#5- JEHeinz 1
#6- Autumn -8
#7- Schmidty -6
#8- Darth Vilus -4
#9- J23 -2
#10- The Jackal 4
#11- Henry 5
#12- Abe Sargent 11
#13- Danny 7
#14- Hoops 5

So this is the original board, and how much people moved after the senior bowl. I wanted to figure that out to see if there was anything noteworthy. It actually looks pretty standard to me. The biggest movers were the bottom 5 who all obviously put in the effort to move up in the rankings, Abe most of all. Everyone else above them suffered to some extent, the middle of the pack dropping the most, CF and Heinz putting in the effort to tread water.

[PurdueBrad]

#1-CrimsonFox -1
#2- ntndeacon -5
#3- Chief Rum -5
#4- KWhit -6
#5- JEHeinz 1
#6- Autumn -8
#7- Schmidty -6
#8- Darth Vilus -4
#9- J23 -2
#10- The Jackal 4
#11- Henry 5
#12- Abe Sargent 11
#13- Danny 7
#14- Hoops 5

So this is the original board, and how much people moved after the senior bowl. I wanted to figure that out to see if there was anything noteworthy. It actually looks pretty standard to me. The biggest movers were the bottom 5 who all obviously put in the effort to move up in the rankings, Abe most of all. Everyone else above them suffered to some extent, the middle of the pack dropping the most, CF and Heinz putting in the effort to tread water.

The scout's observations aren't indicative yet of where people have moved on Mel Kiper's Big Board, more how people are currently trending/performing. You'll get a new Big Board tonight.

[henry296]

Autumn,

I think the list that PB posted after the Senior Bowl is an indication of how many points used, not the new overall rankings. I think we get those tonight.

[Autumn]

All right, I see. Well, for what I was using it for that's even better. I was just looking for an oddities in the efforts.

[jeheinz72]

...CF and Heinz putting in the effort to tread water.

That was indeed my plan. Just enough points to not drop far and to get a gauge for how this'll go.

[Autumn]

Well, I was hoping to find something suspicious to guide my vote. No such luck. For now I'm going to get a vote out there and get back to some good old fashioned Werewolf. I'm going to vote for my fellow safety, Jackal. Thinning the competition is a good enough day one reason.

<b>Vote jackal</b>

[jeheinz72]

2 reasons for this vote

1. Plays my position

2. Apparently didn't do squat at the Senior Bowl, dropping 5 points. Far as I can surmise I can't see why wolves would care about draft positioning.

vote ntndeacon

[Darth Vilus]

Vote CrimsonFox

No wide receiver will beat me!

[Danny]

Vote Abe

He's not even a real football player.

(vote is just cause he's a kicker, I will be changing later when votes get more serious)

[Abe Sargent]

Come on now, the Kicker thing is hilarious! You have to keep me in just for that reason alone!

[Abe Sargent]

There are six teams that want a DT, and just two that want me. This is going to be funny!

(I hope :))

[The Jackal]

Safety competition sounds good to me. Voting me because I showed you up out there today!

VOTE AUTUMN

[hoopsguy]

One scout's take on player performance:

1- Abe
2- Crimson Fox
3- Jackal
4- Heinz
5- Danny
6- Henry
7- ntndeacon
8- Chief Rum
9- Hoopsguy
10- KWhit
11- J23
12- Darth Vilus
13- Schmidty
14- Autumn


I would like one person above me and one person below me - excluding chief Rum and KWhit - to state how many points they spent on this activity. I'll reveal my points spent near the end of the day.

Basically, I want to test the idea that this list reflects spending points and the amount of faith I put in the statements of people about how much/little they spent initially.

[Danny]

I spent 6 points

[Danny]

Im guessing that mid level all spent 5 points and I was just ahead due to the 6th point I put.

[CrimsonFox]

Don't worry, Poli isn't allowed to play anymore

More afraid of the dreaded Blue Tortoise Shell.

[KWhit]

Huh?

[CrimsonFox]

Vote CrimsonFox

No wide receiver will beat me!

Curse you sith lord! I'm not making the same mistake I made last game.

Vote Darth Vilus

[Danny]

Huh?

I had the same reaction and had to look it up as well. CF commented that he didn't like being first on list and then Lathum had the response that was quoted.

[KWhit]

Since I have literally nothing to go on, I'll put a vote on Danny - my competition at QB. The only reason I'm doing this is that I have no other reason to vote for someone. I don't want us to fall in the trap of playing the football draft game and letting the wolves eat us alive. If anything suspicious comes up, I'll move my vote in a heartbeat, because it's more important for us to find the wolves than to be drafted high.

VOTE DANNY

[CrimsonFox]

Huh?

The blue tortoise shells that will no doubt be hurled by everyone to knock me out of first place. It's a Mario Kart reference. The blue shell is a special item that you throw and it a) seeks out the lead cart, b) stuns them for several seconds when it hits, and c) never misses.

Here's a demo of blue shell pain:
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[henry296]

I also spent 6 points

[Chief Rum]

Alas, I must be off to get my grill shined up for my interview at the combine (i.e. I am off to a regularly scheduled dentist appointment, ugh).

It's possible I'll be back before deadline, but I wouldn't count on it. I was stuck there last time for about two hours, and they're kinda doing the same stuff. So I have to vote now.

As the only DE, which Team #2 is looking at for a positiion, I might as well go after #1. I don't think Abe will be there at the end, so instead I'll vote for a LB target, since the #1 team likes LBs, too.

VOTE HENRY296

I hope to return in time to put this on a candidate in a close vote, but I don't know if that will happen.

[henry296]

Autumn, that seems right even with a cunning.

Just re-read the rules and no cunning wolf. Definitely three wolves.

[jeheinz72]

Im guessing that mid level all spent 5 points and I was just ahead due to the 6th point I put.

Then there is a rational or scout-error component. I put 4 points and I'm higher on that list.

[Schmidty]

I worked from 9 a.m. - 2 p.m. today (PST), and didn't realize we had to get points in by a certain time during the early day.

Basically, I didn't send any points in today. I'll be sure to do more tomorrow.

Now, still catching up.

Some quick senior bowl thoughts.

Autumn / Schmidty were both middle of the pack and appeared to mail-in the senior bowl.

Abe definitely put in some points trying to move up from the bottom of the pack.

Let me through out an idea that just popped in my head. Since the wolves are characterized as cheaters in the game, do we think they might get a bonus or have an ability to perform better on the events? Thus there 5 points might be better than the 5 points of a vanilla villager?

[Schmidty]

Ok, I'll likely change this if we end up having too many candidates, but I'll go with the vote-off-the-competition thing for now:

Vote J23

[ntndeacon]

I suspect that the top of the board will not change too much.

[ntndeacon]

I think there isn't a second vote on anyone yet. We need to start sometime. So...
Vote Jackal

[Danny]

Unvote Abe
Vote Henry

Need to leave soon and we have to consolidate our votes. Going with Henry because he is generally a quiet player who can be tough to read because of it.

[Autumn]

Wow, I must suck if Schmidty did better than me despite putting 0 points in. I will consider the paranoid theory that someone used a skill to make me suck.

[jeheinz72]

Do we have a count? 2 on Henry and 2 on Jackal?

[henry296]

Mostly self-preservation

vote Jackal

[Abe Sargent]

Keep it close.

Vote henry

[Chief Rum]

Vote Count As Of Post #136

henry296 (3)-- Chief Rum (125), Danny (132), Abe Sargent (136)
The Jackal (3)-- Autumn (108), ntndeacon (131), henry296 (135)
Schmidty (1)-- J23 (83)
ntndeacon (1)-- jeheinz72 (109)
Crimson Fox (1)-- Darth Vilius (110)
Autumn (1)-- The Jackal (114)
Darth Vilius (1)-- Crimson Fox (120)
Danny (1)-- KWhit (122)
J23 (1)-- Schmidty (129)

Yet To Vote: hoopsguy

Today's Unvotes: Danny unvoted Abe Sargent (vtd 111, unv 132)

[Chief Rum]

Obviously, I am back. Still numb, no pain yet.

Well, I was first on henry, and I certainly don't have a reason to switch off right now. What happens in a tie, though, is hidden in the rules. Do we want to test that for results or avoid it altogether?

I can go either way. There's certainly a risk that there won't be a lynch at all, or maybe a double lynch, and we'll kill someone important. But this is the best time to take that risk to figure out the tie mechanism, when there are a lot of people to hide good roles and also a lot of time to make up for an early mistake.

But push comes to shove, I would rather have the certain lynch. Time is running short--will hoops show up in time? I know he said he would stop back later, but did he mean after the deadline?

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, not a ton of posts to go through which makes this a bit easier. Just going to look back and see if there is any kind of reason for the votes on either candidate.

I've got a bit over an hour, correct? CST?

[hoopsguy]

Also, I said I would indicate how many points I spent today - I spent two. So far the only person indicating a point expenditure that differs from the ranking (points, followed by alphabetical) is Heinz. So I'm hoping that he is a strong candidate to be scanned tonight so we can figure out if his version of events (scout error) is on the up-and-up.

That said, it is his first game back and his schedule is work-only access, so I'm not trying to bum rush him out of the game just yet by leading votes on him. I just want the discrepancy noted.

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, not a ton of posts to go through which makes this a bit easier. Just going to look back and see if there is any kind of reason for the votes on either candidate.

I've got a bit over an hour, correct? CST?

Yeah, think you do. Glad you said that, too, because I was thinking 6 p.m. deadline (local) in my mind--which would be in 3 minutes. ;)

[Autumn]

Also, I said I would indicate how many points I spent today - I spent two. So far the only person indicating a point expenditure that differs from the ranking (points, followed by alphabetical) is Heinz. So I'm hoping that he is a strong candidate to be scanned tonight so we can figure out if his version of events (scout error) is on the up-and-up.

That said, it is his first game back and his schedule is work-only access, so I'm not trying to bum rush him out of the game just yet by leading votes on him. I just want the discrepancy noted.

Well, I spent 3 points and ended up dead last, so I think there's a lot more than energy being considered here somehow. Remember PB said there were people with skills who can affect outcomes, and possibly other things going on.

[Autumn]

I'm out again for a bit, no reason to move my vote at the moment so I'll check back when I can.

[Chief Rum]

Before we did even one thing, there was a rankings list. Now, either PB pulled that out of a hat, or he had some way of differentiating us right from the start. I would imagine whatever those factors are that went into that list are still in effect with the scout's list.

Keep in mind, though, PB as much as suggested this was just a snapshot or one person's opinion or something like that. The scout's ranking seems to be much more of a midday placeholder than an actual consensus of all opinion on us as prospects.

Also, PB said it was a scout's take on the players' performances in the Senior Bowl. What if certain positions play better in actual performance? Or there is different talent among us? And that's not to mention that we know there are players with abilities to enhance (I think) or inhibit (for sure) the performances of other players.

[henry296]

i have nothing to reveal.

[hoopsguy]

I'll take my chances going the other way on Henry, based on post #145. This is a ton more consistent with villager henry than wolf henry.

I'll do one more pass through the last 50-75 posts, but as it stands:

VOTE THE JACKAL

[KWhit]

Just re-read the rules and no cunning wolf. Definitely three wolves.

Without anything else to go on, this feels a little weird to me. I went back and looked at the posts from Henry and Jackal and this was the only thing that stuck out. I think sometimes wolves go out of their way to downplay their knowledge of the rules. This statement could be henry doing that. It's not much, but it's enough for day 1, IMO.

UNVOTE DANNY
VOTE HENRY

[KWhit]

Ack - I didn't see that Hoops was voting for Jack. Looks like we're still tied?

[KWhit]

Yeah - looks like 4-4 between Jackal and Henry.

[KWhit]

I'll take my chances going the other way on Henry, based on post #145. This is a ton more consistent with villager henry than wolf henry.

I'll do one more pass through the last 50-75 posts, but as it stands:

Help me understand why you say that. I don't have a good feel on his normal play.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah - looks like 4-4 between Jackal and Henry.

I'm here, and I'm not afraid to make a move late in order to avoid shenanigans

[henry296]

I think an earlier version of the rules did list a cunning which is why I was confused. Given the # of players, I think it was removed.

[Abe Sargent]

PB, your deadlines are one minute after, right, not at the time?

[PurdueBrad]

PB, your deadlines are one minute after, right, not at the time?

Correct, so a 9:00 vote is good, a 9:01 vote is not.

[KWhit]

Let's not have a clusterfuck at deadline where we have multiple people moving their vote trying to avoid the tie just to cancel each other out, okay?

[Autumn]

Anyone with an accurate vote count?

[KWhit]

Eh, I was hoping some of the people on non-leading candidates would come back and make their vote count, but it looks like that won't happen.

[Abe Sargent]

I am going to follow hoops's lead, and end this tie,


untoe henvry
vote Jackal

[PurdueBrad]

Current count: As of 158


henry296 (4)-- Chief Rum (125), Danny (132), KWhit (147)
The Jackal (5)-- Autumn (108), ntndeacon (131), henry296 (135), Hoops (146), Abe Sargent (158)
Schmidty (1)-- J23 (83)
ntndeacon (1)-- jeheinz72 (109)
Crimson Fox (1)-- Darth Vilius (110)
Autumn (1)-- The Jackal (114)
Darth Vilius (1)-- Crimson Fox (120)
J23 (1)-- Schmidty (129)

[PurdueBrad]

henry296 (3)-- Chief Rum (125), Danny (132), KWhit (147)
The Jackal (5)-- Autumn (108), ntndeacon (131), henry296 (135), Hoops (146), Abe Sargent (158)
Schmidty (1)-- J23 (83)
ntndeacon (1)-- jeheinz72 (109)
Crimson Fox (1)-- Darth Vilius (110)
Autumn (1)-- The Jackal (114)
Darth Vilius (1)-- Crimson Fox (120)
J23 (1)-- Schmidty (129)

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, when henry has been a wolf in these spots he has not stayed the course like he did here.

Three minutes to go, he is obviously under some pressure but is unflinching. I'm not calling it a 100% read, but based on small sample set I feel pretty good about it.

[Autumn]

So that should be 3-5, right?

[PurdueBrad]

The second one is correct as I forgot to make it 5-3 in the paranthesis.

[Abe Sargent]

PB, you list three for henry but four points?

[Abe Sargent]

Nm, heh

[Autumn]

dola

nevermind. All right, well we'll see. I didn't see anything today worth voting over, so I don't expect much from this but you never know.

[Chief Rum]

It only takes one fool, so I'll make double sure no tie.

UNVOTE HENRY
VOTE THE JACKAL

[hoopsguy]

And he is in the thread with an opportunity to move it ... we'll see how this works out, but that is my decision point between the two candidates.

[Abe Sargent]

Time?

[hoopsguy]

dola

Silly :lol:

[PurdueBrad]

Results will be up momentarily...

[Abe Sargent]

Yeha, you never get dolas near deadline time

[Autumn]

Yeah, that was rather silly. I"m always overconfident about how fast I'm going to type.

[Abe Sargent]

afk for a while

[PurdueBrad]

PRO-DAY, 2010

Pro scouts from all over the country are visiting college campuses everywhere to get more personal workouts from prospects.

UCLA is the first campus we visit. And it is here that, surprisingly, we see the best and worst of the day. Darth Vilus puts on a tremendous show, perhaps egged on by the outstanding performance of one of his rivals in the Senior Bowl. Vilus catches anything and everything thrown his way, definitely looking ready for Sundays.

On the flip side though, Chief Rum is an extreme disappointment, biggest of the day. There are pictures everywhere of how CR spent the prior night carousing with a sorority girl, a Tri Delt in fact (Need sex? Tri a Delt). When the coaches came to his dorm room, CR wasn't even there. He showed up for the workout with the same clothes from the night before mumbling about "sluts."

University of Georgia is next. KWhit puts on a tremendous show, giving glimpses of an arm stronger than anyone previously thought. He hits every throw that is asked of him and does so with authority. Tremendous workout.

Champaign, the home of University of Illinois, provides yet another football disappointment. Hoopsguy looks lost on route coverage, getting beat by far less talented players as he works out for the scouts. He even looks a bit clumsy on drop backs and gets outbodied several times.

The Jackal, the University of Maryland stud safety, seems surprisingly absent from the field. Scouts look to and for, but see no signs of the player...


...but then he emerges and the masses are surprised. And while people may have tried to keep Jackal down, he has made a case to remain. " I refuse to be drafted by the Seahawks, I will not be #14. Take that safety from New Hampshire instead." In the end, Jackal looks terrific.

New Hampshire is the site where the Seahawks make their selection. Autumn is the 14'th overall selection after Jackal duked the vote...And Autumn is THE BODYGUARD.

[PurdueBrad]

There is other big news coming out of California. Star quarterback Danny has been drafted as well, the 13'th overall selection to the nearby San Francisco 49'ers. Danny was a vanilla villager.

PMs coming out momentarily and then the Big Board...

[J23]

Well that sucks, lose the BG and have a confirmed villager exposed w/o someone to protect them now.

[KWhit]

Ugh.

[hoopsguy]

Well, I'll confirm that I spent zero points on the evening activity. So expect that I'll spend a few more tomorrow than the 2 I put out there today.

[Autumn]

Um, suck. Good luck guys.

[PurdueBrad]

Mel Kiper here, bringing you the Big Board 2.0 at the end of the first day. We've seen a massive shake-up early.

1- The Jackal
2- Abe Sargent
3- Henry
4- Crimson Fox
5- Darth Vilus
6- KWhit
7- Heinz
8- ntndeacon
9- Chief Rum
10- J23
11- Hoopsguy
12- Schmidty

[PurdueBrad]

I hope it is clear, but just in case, at this point when players get "drafted" they are actually deceased. If you don't think it is clear, I'll change the wording in the future.

[hoopsguy]

Mel Kiper here, bringing you the Big Board 2.0 at the end of the first day. We've seen a massive shake-up early.

1- The Jackal
2- Abe Sargent
3- Henry
4- Crimson Fox
5- Darth Vilus
6- KWhit
7- Heinz
8- ntndeacon
9- Chief Rum
10- J23
11- Hoopsguy
12- Schmidty


I'm delighted that my stock is on the rise, even after spending two points on Day 1 and apparently blowing my pro day.

Granted, not way on the rise but at least I'm no longer bringing up the rear.

[Chief Rum]

Well, I'll confirm that I spent zero points on the evening activity. So expect that I'll spend a few more tomorrow than the 2 I put out there today.

I suspect I was sabotaged. After getting decent results spending just one point in the Senior Bowl, I aimed high and spent seven points on Pro Day (which was always my intent). Instead, I stunk it up and bad. Sorry, no way a roll of the dice produces that. I strongly suspect I was targeted by one of those abilities PB has mentioned.

Also, considering the way I was described at the Pro Day kinda sounds like a sabotage, too.

But, whatever, this is just my draft position. The lynch stuff was some serious bad news, and right now, I'm not all that thrilled with The Jackal's decision making.

[KWhit]

Wow. How the hell did I drop 2 places today? Especially with what amounted to such a strong pro-day.

[henry296]

I moved up a decent number of spots and have spent a good number of points, yet have yet to be included in a write-up :)

Not a good day of werewolf. I know that we were villager / villager today. I think I'm going to look at someone who didn't vote for Jackal or me today.

Scmidty - were you able to get in points for Pro Day?

[PurdueBrad]

One quick thing, the noon writeup will be a bit late tomorrow I believe as we do a late start at school, which throws my lunch/plan into a different time. It should be up no later than 1 pm CST. Sorry about the inconvenience.

I will keep the noon deadline though for the sake of continuity.

[Schmidty]

Scmidty - were you able to get in points for Pro Day?

Wait. I had to get my Pro Day points in already????

I thought I had until tomorrow. If I missed again, I guess I didn't realize this was going to move so quickly. And I suck.

[Abe Sargent]

I like this game so far PB, good stuff!

[henry296]

Wait. I had to get my Pro Day points in already????

I thought I had until tomorrow. If I missed again, I guess I didn't realize this was going to move so quickly. And I suck.

Yes, there are two "events" each day.

[Lathum]

The duke has been more of a help to wolves then villages lately

[Danny]

Edit, transfered to duke thread

[Danny]

Good luck village.

[The Jackal]

Bleh sorry guys and mostly autumn but that's what you get for voting for me when I made it well known I wouldn't be around for most night deadlines. I sent in the order without being able to look at the vote count, had no idea what things were at.

[Darth Vilus]

Killed the bodyguard, awesome. Yeah that's how games have been going recently it seems. (And that was sarcasm, not lycanthropy)

[CrimsonFox]

Killed the bodyguard, awesome. Yeah that's how games have been going recently it seems. (And that was sarcasm, not lycanthropy)

Oh yeah? It could have been sarcanthropy...

[CrimsonFox]

I spent bunches of points on the first heats and fell three...:P Glad I'm not in first anymore though. *throws a blue shell* BUt didn't expect to fall that much. Hmmm have to beat my rival....*sticks out a foot for DV to trip over*

[PurdueBrad]

This year's NFL Draft just gets more and more interesting with each passing day. We've had a major trade, tales of two players focused more on chasing tail, and now BIG news about Abe Sargent. We're going to go out to Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay to get the scoop here.

Todd M- Thanks Scott. It looks like 'The Leg' or the player better known as Abe Sargent may be hiding an achilles injury. There is some word leaking out of Huntington, West Virginia that he may have strained or maybe even torn his achilles while playing a game of pick-up basketball. He was even reportedly seen sporting a walking boot in his dorm. Mel, how do you think this will effect things?

Mel K- This is all just conjecture and rumor. I've been talking to coaches from Marshall and Abe's agent and they say that there is absolutely NO TRUTH WHAT-SO-EVER to this RUMOR. In fact, I find it very interesting that we have no pictures or even witnesses willing to go on record to say that Abe is hurt. I think this is an incredibly careless rumor and the timing couldn't be worse for 'The Leg' as the Combine starts today. The effect here, even though I steadfastly believe this rumor to be just a rumor, is devastating to his draft status right now. Here's my newest Big Board, we'll call it 2.5:

1- The Jackal
2- Henry
3- Crimson Fox
4- Darth Vilus
5- KWhit
6- Abe Sargent
7- Heinz
8- ntndeacon
9- Chief Rum
10- J23
11- Hoopsguy
12- Schmidty

[hoopsguy]

OK, so we started with 14 players and villagers are now in the following position:
12 remain
self cleared
Jackal cleared

Even if there is no further info provided today, we're starting to creep upwards in chances to just randomly catch a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

I'll post a vote/unvote chart later this morning to see if that helps at all for yesterday. I think we had two villagers in the heat, but will certainly welcome discussion from others on why we should be making other assumptions.

[jeheinz72]

That was not cool

Plus I erred on realizing there was a night point submission as well...and put in 0.

[Abe Sargent]

Morning all

[Abe Sargent]

This year's NFL Draft just gets more and more interesting with each passing day. We've had a major trade, tales of two players focused more on chasing tail, and now BIG news about Abe Sargent. We're going to go out to Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay to get the scoop here.

Todd M- Thanks Scott. It looks like 'The Leg' or the player better known as Abe Sargent may be hiding an achilles injury. There is some word leaking out of Huntington, West Virginia that he may have strained or maybe even torn his achilles while playing a game of pick-up basketball. He was even reportedly seen sporting a walking boot in his dorm. Mel, how do you think this will effect things?

Mel K- This is all just conjecture and rumor. I've been talking to coaches from Marshall and Abe's agent and they say that there is absolutely NO TRUTH WHAT-SO-EVER to this RUMOR. In fact, I find it very interesting that we have no pictures or even witnesses willing to go on record to say that Abe is hurt. I think this is an incredibly careless rumor and the timing couldn't be worse for 'The Leg' as the Combine starts today. The effect here, even though I steadfastly believe this rumor to be just a rumor, is devastating to his draft status right now. Here's my newest Big Board, we'll call it 2.5:

1- The Jackal
2- Henry
3- Crimson Fox
4- Darth Vilus
5- KWhit
6- Abe Sargent
7- Heinz
8- ntndeacon
9- Chief Rum
10- J23
11- Hoopsguy
12- Schmidty




WTF?

[Abe Sargent]

I think that was really bad strategy, on whoever's part. First of all, I wasn;t even the top guy from yesterday, Jackal was. Secondly, why not go after a rival position, instead of me? Why not go after someone who reserved a lot of points for making a move later?

[jeheinz72]

The Jackal (5)-- Autumn (108), ntndeacon (131), henry296 (135), Hoops (146), Abe Sargent (158)

Ok - so here are the people we know voted to lynch a villager. Autumn we know is a villager. I lean that we were villager-villager as well - but if not one would have to think that both Henry and Abe were wolves given Abe's "saving" vote.

That seems less plausible to me - that would mean the wolves would've spent an awful lot of capital to save Henry. I think if I was a wolf in that situation I'd just tell my fellow wolfie (henry in this case) "tough break" and make moves to make me look good in spite of his lynching - not save him overtly.

That leaves hoops and ntn and I'm getting a big time villager vibe from Hoops. Granted it's been awhile since I"ve played but hoops is playing basically like villager-hoops circa 6 months ago. Someone can wisen me up if that's now changed :)

Barring conversation and unforseen events I plan on placing my vote on NTN again today.

[jeheinz72]

Also, I said I would indicate how many points I spent today - I spent two. So far the only person indicating a point expenditure that differs from the ranking (points, followed by alphabetical) is Heinz. So I'm hoping that he is a strong candidate to be scanned tonight so we can figure out if his version of events (scout error) is on the up-and-up.

That said, it is his first game back and his schedule is work-only access, so I'm not trying to bum rush him out of the game just yet by leading votes on him. I just want the discrepancy noted.

Fair enough. I'm a-ok with being scanned of course. Don't pity me as a returnee though.

I'd think I'd get a smidge of cred for offering up that info in spite of not needing to and it being different. If I was a wolf - why bother?

[J23]

So I was thinking, with the draft being the way people leave the game, and some people being sabotaged, is it possible that there isn't a nightkill, but rather just the bottom person on the "Big Board" get drafted out of the game? Maybe the wolves just have a sabotage ability they get to use rather than a nightkill.

[Abe Sargent]

My apologies, yes, there are still nightkills. As CR said earlier, this is a regular WW game (nightkills and all) but wrapped up with an individual achievement flavor.

I already asked this question, and was answered, yesterday.

[J23]

Ahh, missed that somehow. Thanks.

[Danny]

No night kills, PB just made an exception for me :)

[CrimsonFox]

WTF?

HA ha! Abe's hurt.

[CrimsonFox]

Fair enough. I'm a-ok with being scanned of course. Don't pity me as a returnee though.

I'd think I'd get a smidge of cred for offering up that info in spite of not needing to and it being different. If I was a wolf - why bother?

Because wolves always offer up that kind of info.

[CrimsonFox]

Heading into work (so happy to be able to say that). Will be able to vote during lunchtime.

[Chief Rum]

There is other big news coming out of California. Star quarterback Danny has been drafted as well, the 13'th overall selection to the nearby San Francisco 49'ers. Danny was a vanilla villager.

PMs coming out momentarily and then the Big Board...

Whatchyu talkin' about Danny? You were drafted, not nightkilled, just like Autumn.

[The Jackal]

For the sake of vote history and the very possible chance that henry is a wolf and one of the late voters is too, here's this:

VOTE HENRY

Again, sorry I wasn't able to be around to make a more educated lynch decision, sucks that it hit so poorly.

[jeheinz72]

Because wolves always offer up that kind of info.

Really? Not me as a wolf I don't. I don't see how offering up pretty overtly contrasting information would help a wolf.

I still don't even see why the wolves should care much about the draft at all - so there's no benefit there.

[Chief Rum]

Really? Not me as a wolf I don't. I don't see how offering up pretty overtly contrasting information would help a wolf.

I still don't even see why the wolves should care much about the draft at all - so there's no benefit there.

What makes you think the draft is not a win condition for the wolves, just like the rest of us? In fact, PB's description of the wolves, cheating, juicing, etc. suggests they are indeed trying to get to the top.

Unless I misread the rules, my understanding is that every player in the game--wolf or villager--has the major condition as well of trying to be the #1 overall pick.

[CrimsonFox]

Really? Not me as a wolf I don't. I don't see how offering up pretty overtly contrasting information would help a wolf.

I still don't even see why the wolves should care much about the draft at all - so there's no benefit there.

Not knowing you I don't know what you would do as a wolf. But hoops, dubb, autumn, telle, CR, danny, lathum, EF....all offer arguments about catching wolves and post stats and analysis that hasn't been seen before.

And people DO care about the draft because it's a cool part of the game. Some of the wolves cared about the olympics during EF's game. In fact some cared more about winning the olympics.

[jeheinz72]

What makes you think the draft is not a win condition for the wolves, just like the rest of us? In fact, PB's description of the wolves, cheating, juicing, etc. suggests they are indeed trying to get to the top.

Unless I misread the rules, my understanding is that every player in the game--wolf or villager--has the major condition as well of trying to be the #1 overall pick.

Sorry - to clarify - I think each wolf does have that as an individual win condition - yes.

I don't however think it's a win condition for the wolf team.

Like Wolf A gets no bonus for Wolf B being the 1st overall pick.

[CrimsonFox]

okay REALLY heading into work now....darn bus...

[jeheinz72]

Not knowing you I don't know what you would do as a wolf. But hoops, dubb, autumn, telle, CR, danny, lathum, EF....all offer arguments about catching wolves and post stats and analysis that hasn't been seen before.

And people DO care about the draft because it's a cool part of the game. Some of the wolves cared about the olympics during EF's game. In fact some cared more about winning the olympics.

Maybe I'm wrong then. I don't think I've ever played it that way but I've been wrong before. Once.

[henry296]

I think heinz' analysis is spot on.

vote ntndeacon

[jeheinz72]

Heh. Now I'm worried.

[ntndeacon]

Ok I have a question. Do you think that the wolves would lean toward removing positional impediments. I mean if we think that is likely we should look at the other QB. in this case Kwhit. It might be nothing but that might be a direction they go in.

[ntndeacon]

btw on day one I spent 3 and then 0 respectively on the two events.

[jeheinz72]

Realized I should actually vote so I don't forget

Vote ntndeacon

[jeheinz72]

Ok I have a question. Do you think that the wolves would lean toward removing positional impediments. I mean if we think that is likely we should look at the other QB. in this case Kwhit. It might be nothing but that might be a direction they go in.

I doubt it. If the wolves care about the draft it is - in my opinion - on an individual basis. So why would the lot of them help the one of them with a night kill?

[hoopsguy]

Very busy at work this AM - does anyone else have an opportunity to put together the vote/unvote info from Day 1?

I'll likely lay down my vote sometime this evening - probably similar to yesterday.

[J23]

vote henry

In case my day gets crazy and I can't revisit this like what happened yesterday. Putting my vote behind the 1 other person I know is a villager at this point.

[ntndeacon]

Just a note. Realize that wolves have been known to hurt themselves in side competitions to give themself more credibility in the werewolf part of the game. Nobody yet has claimed that the obvious rumor mongering that was generated to Abe. could have been a ploy to ingratiate him further to the villagers.

[Abe Sargent]

Just a note. Realize that wolves have been known to hurt themselves in side competitions to give themself more credibility in the werewolf part of the game. Nobody yet has claimed that the obvious rumor mongering that was generated to Abe. could have been a ploy to ingratiate him further to the villagers.

That's a silly thought. If I were a wolf, I wouldn't want my peers to ruin my brand new experience with this sort of game. We might never have a game like this again, and I;'m enjoying the different-ness of the game, I wouldn't want a co-wolf getting in the way of that, just for a ploy that may or may not work, but certainly is not fun for me.

And at the end of the day, this is about fun, not necessarily winning, no matter what side I'm on, villager or wolf. With a new mechanic, that's my focus, not really the WW side, but the NFL draft side. No way would I want to ruin my fun.

[Abe Sargent]

Besides, I think I know who did it too me...

But I want to keep that close for now

[Abe Sargent]

Nah, I'll just go ahead and tell you, I think it was the Jackal. I mentioned in in teh thread, and as I tghink about it, it makes sense. Jackal was ahead of me, so why target me by someone else, especially since I'm not a threat for any position. the only person to terget me making sense is the #1 guy taking down teh #2 guy.

So I think it was Jackal

[jeheinz72]

Wouldn't the #3 guy want to take down the #2 guy?

[jeheinz72]

especially since the #1 guy ain't lookin' so hot (or wasn't)

[jeheinz72]

But for the record I agree. I'd go postal of fellow wolves player-hated me like that.

[PurdueBrad]

NFL Network is live from the Combine today. I'm Rich Eisen and I'll be talking you through some of the day's highlights.

We're starting with today's weirdest moment. Let's watch this sequence of events. Heinz, a great Defensive Tackle prospect, is stretching on the sideline, jogging, looking good. He reaches down and takes a big chug off of a water bottle and heads to the starting line. He starts to stumble a bit, even looking a bit disoriented. He still gets to the blocks, falls over once for a fault, and then runs a wobbly and very poor 5.34 40. Man, what must they be putting in that water?

His poor showing was followed by another poor showing by a defensive lineman, this time Chief Rum. The big guy just looked sluggish out there and like he wasn't taking things seriously at all. His 5.25 time does not bode well.

Finally, KWhit from Georgia, known for a bit of athleticism and agility entered the blocks. Folks love watching the quarterbacks and boy, KWhit gave them a show...a long, slow show. KWhit posted a 5.31 which was very surprising given his ability to move around in the pocket.

But hey, enough of the bad news. Shannon Sharpe is here to bring you the positives.

Shannon S.- I've got some great performances, starting with Jackal. This dude is a serious burner out there. He posted a 4.48 and just looked on today. He didn't even look tired at the end of it.

His performance was topped a bit by a guy who's stock is just still soaring. Crimson Fox is the best looking wide receiver we've seen in years. A 4.44 time in the 40 with that size...damn, he looks unstoppable.

But the best of all, and the best surprise of the day was Schmidty, the bruising back from Michigan State. After poor showings recently, he lit up the clock today. I've never seen a bigger guy move so fast unless somebody was dropping some cake. He ran a 4.43 40 and his stock could be just about to take off.

[jeheinz72]

I guess my 2 points nancied that one. Or I was hated upon.

[PurdueBrad]

Todd McShay's live blog from the Combine...

Ranking things from what I saw in the 40, it's gotta look something like this:

1- Schmidty
2- Crimson Fox
3- Jackal
4- J23
5- ntndeacon
6- hoops
7- Darth Vilus
8- Henry
9- Abe
10- CR
11- KWhit
12- Heinz

I look forward to seeing how these numbers effect Mel's Big Board 3.0 tonight.

[Schmidty]

4.43!!!

Woot!!!

[jeheinz72]

Yeah with the water thing and the fact that I was last in points - I think I was hated upon.

I mean 2 wasn't much but I'd think someone made it worse.

Don't hate me because I'm Big and Beautiful folks.

[Abe Sargent]

Wouldn't the #3 guy want to take down the #2 guy?

Because he wants to take down #1 guy instead? Jackal hadn't even shone in the evening, and yet he was still #1, and that;'s dangeroues to be #1 with a lot of points in the hopper.

[jeheinz72]

Because he wants to take down #1 guy instead? Jackal hadn't even shone in the evening, and yet he was still #1, and that;'s dangeroues to be #1 with a lot of points in the hopper.

But with time left to play either/or works. Plus Jackal wasn't exactly looking long for this game for most of the day vote-wise.

I mean I don't think you're a wolf - I've said that - but just spitballin'

[Abe Sargent]

But with time left to play either/or works. Plus Jackal wasn't exactly looking long for this game for most of the day vote-wise.

I mean I don't think you're a wolf - I've said that - but just spitballin'

I was taken down this morning, not as part of the night action. It was hours later.


Let me just ask, Jackal, did you speculate on rumors about me? I'd like an answer one way or the other please.

[Abe Sargent]

This is my early vote, very subject to change, just in case of a crimson eclipse.


J23's question about soemthing I clarified yeasterday with a big blue post, in a game with only afew posts and its not hard to keep them straight, makes me feel that he might be a wolf trying to appear to be clueless abouyt teh rules, and thus not a threat.

Vote J23

[Schmidty]

This is my early vote, very subject to change, just in case of a crimson eclipse.


J23's question about soemthing I clarified yeasterday with a big blue post, in a game with only afew posts and its not hard to keep them straight, makes me feel that he might be a wolf trying to appear to be clueless abouyt teh rules, and thus not a threat.

Vote J23

I'll jump on that!! And make no mistake: This is personal. I won't allow some brainy geek from Stanford beat a real man from the banks of the Red Cedar!! GO SPARTANS!!!!


Vote J23

[hoopsguy]

For what it is worth, I did spend some points today but I'm not looking to give exact values like I did yesterday. I think one day of telegraphing my exact movements is enough info for the wolves.

I'll be very interested to see the Big Board at the end of the day to see if there is upwards movement ... clearly the one guy below me (Schmidty) out-spent me in the early part of the day.

[J23]

This is my early vote, very subject to change, just in case of a crimson eclipse.


J23's question about soemthing I clarified yeasterday with a big blue post, in a game with only afew posts and its not hard to keep them straight, makes me feel that he might be a wolf trying to appear to be clueless abouyt teh rules, and thus not a threat.

Vote J23

Sorry if I missed it Abe, but I wasn't on at all yesterday from the time I voted until this morning, so there were a fair number of posts in there to go through. I don't think asking about one rule should label me as "clueless" about the rules however.

For what it's worth, I'm surprised I wasn't mentioned today. I dropped 10 points on the workout, figuring that would be enough to move me in the rankings. With no mention, I'm not sure that's going to be the case.

[Darth Vilus]

Vote Abe

Something about him just doesn't sit right with me.

[J23]

I won't allow some brainy geek from Stanford beat a real man from the banks of the Red Cedar!! GO SPARTANS!!!!

With the Wonderlic coming up, I'm sure you'd be happy to see me gone. :p