WW Role Reversal: Game Over!

[Danny]

Ok, it's either now or never for my big game idea.

The premise for the game is that during an FOFC werewolf players get together, a freak happening occurs and real and fictional worlds collide!

Most of us want to return things to normal, but there are a select few who wish to not only keep things the way they are, but rule this new world (wolves). Each player in the game commands a real/fictional character or collection of characters.

Basically individual characters have attack points, defense points and special abilities (very similar to hoops marvel game); characters will differ greatly in strength; however some people may command many more characters.

Attacks will happen at select deadlines as opposed to real time (allowing people who may not be able to in all to be active. Each character a person controls must be killed in order for that player to die.

So lets say for example one person control Hulk and one person controls the Lord of the Rings Hobbits. Hulk will be have attack points, defense points and special abilities for his player and each LOTR hobbit will have attack, defense points and potentially special abilities for his owner. The hobbits will be killed easier either by day attacks or by night attacks, but all 4 hobbits will have to be killed in order for that player to be eliminated.

Game will start August 2nd.

Please post signups and character requests as soon as possible, so that I can begin balancing things.

What I need from you is the fictional characters you want and then we can work on making sure it will work.

I will be going through things and adding rules over the next week.

[Danny]

Signups
1. Darth Vilus - Night Kill Day 2
2. Chief Rum - Night Kill Day 3
3. Hoopsguy - Night Kill Day 1
4. CrimsonFox - Lynched Day 3
5. Schmidty
6. Jackal
7. Ntndeacon
8. PurdueBrad
9. Lathum
10. J23 - Brutal Killed Day 2
11. Autumn - Duked Day 1
12. DaddyTorgo - Lynched Day 2
13. Mr. Bug - Lynched Day 4

Rules

Each night all of the roles get mixed up and a random player gets each particular role. EVERY role is available to both villagers and wolves. If a player gets killed while they have a given role, that role is removed from the game.

Day and night Deadline is 10pm eastern

Ties: In the event of two players having an equal amount of votes at the end of the day, an unknown mechanic will be applied to determine who is the lynch choice.

No Lynch is not an option, someone will always be lynched

Sides

Villagers: Win by eliminating all of the werewolves from the group.

Werewolves: Win by achieving a 1-1 ratio with the group members.

Roles

Seer: If a villager may scan a player to determine if they are a werewolf. If a wolf may scan a player for what role they have for the upcoming day

Bodyguard: If a villager may protect one player from a night kill. The same player MAY be protected on consecutive nights.
If a wolf, may prevent player they are guarding from a taking a night action.

Duke: May change the lynch result and their vote decides ties. May only be used once.

Brutal: May take a person with them when killed

Cunning: If a villager, will have a 50% chance of surviving night kill. If a wolf, will scan as a villager.

Double Voter: Your vote will count double for this day, but you also will have one extra vote against you

Notes

Game write ups may have added flavor to them, but these are in no way hints or revealing of game or player information.

There is to be no quoting of private messages.

[hoopsguy]

I'm pretty sure that I'll re-arrange the calendar to play in this one.

[Darth Vilus]

If Dr. Manhattan were in the game would he be able to overthrow the moderator?

[Chief Rum]

I'll be in.

[hoopsguy]

Danny, just in case the earlier post wasn't clear, I'll be in for this game.

[CrimsonFox]

Neat! Sounds like Talisman. I'm in.

[Danny]

Welcome! More along the lines of Heroscape I think.

[CrimsonFox]

Ah yes! Forgot about Heroscape! I thought Talisman just because it had like a million different characters you can pick from each with different stats/abilities but that game didn't have much gameplay

[Danny]

Yeah, I bought and played Talisman once and traded it away. It was fun for 60 minutes and then the game went on for another hour or two. The game is too light for the amount of time it takes. I've only played with my heroscape stuff once so far, but it's a fun game and plays pretty quickly once it's set up. I need to hurry up and have kids so I can play with them.

[Darth Vilus]

IN, forgot to say lol

[Danny]

IN, forgot to say lol

Didn't matter, I was going to put you in no matter what :D

[Darth Vilus]

Sweet. Do we PM our characters or post in here?

[Danny]

You can post it here, though send PM's if you want to discuss details about it.

[CrimsonFox]

:DVOTE DV!:D

[Schmidty]

I'm definitely in, but why is it "now or never"? Are you colonizing Mars in September or something?

[Danny]

My internship starts in August, I wouldn't able to run this game until next summer if not now.

[The Jackal]

I think I should be able to play in this one

[ntndeacon]

ok sounds like a ball

[PurdueBrad]

I'm in Danny. Wife is back so I can play again (sorry CR).

[Lathum]

OK, I'm in but am traveling August 2nd so may not be very active D1.

My character will be Roland the Gunslinger.

[J23]

I'm in. No idea on the character thing yet.

[Autumn]

I'm in, in, in

Nice choice Lathum

[Autumn]

Come on guys, where's the signups here? This is going to be great.

Danny, have you advertised in OT yet? I didn't want to duplicate.

[Darth Vilus]

Come on guys, where's the signups here? This is going to be great.

Danny, have you advertised in OT yet? I didn't want to duplicate.

No one has the stomach to duel the Dark Lord on his own ground

[Danny]

Come on guys, where's the signups here? This is going to be great.

Danny, have you advertised in OT yet? I didn't want to duplicate.

Not yet, feel free to make a post over there. I was hoping to post after having rules up, so probably better to post now as is it looks like Friday will be when I get to put together the rules.

[Autumn]

I've got a whole list of character possibilities but I haven't decided on one yet. Once I do I'll put up my list for people having a hard time thinking of one.

[DaddyTorgo]

I gotta be in on this!

[MrBug708]

I'm in!

[hoopsguy]

I'm also close to deciding on my character. Buwahaha in advance.

[Schmidty]

Man, I'm tempted to do Hulk again, but maybe that would be a little stale......

[Abe Sargent]

I'm in I suppose, tentatively, because I find out tomorrow if I'm flying somewhere next week for an interview.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hmmm....a character

*Pondering*

[Abe Sargent]

Hmmm....

[hoopsguy]

I'll play Sauron.

[CrimsonFox]

I'm currently playing him now so I'll be the Tin Man.

[Abe Sargent]

I'll play Sauron.

Then I want to play Jesus

[Abe Sargent]

just kidding...

[hoopsguy]

Heh - I had asked the moderator about balance before I threw it out there. I had a couple of other options if that one was going to be problematic.

In all seriousness, I've probably just put a bigger bullseye on myself than normal taking a character that will be feared.

[hoopsguy]

Dola (easier to get those these days) ...

Jesus would be pretty awesome :)

[Danny]

Guys keep in mind, you can be multiple characters. So for example, Hoops is stuck at one character because he is playing Sauron, but I'd have no problem giving Lathum another character or two to go with Roland. If someone wanted to, they could probably get the entire team of ninja turtles, or something along those lines. Heck, it's possible for someone to take the 12 angry men, though they would each be pretty weak.

[Danny]

I added some selected characters to the signup list. Also, anybody in red font is maxed out on their characters due to their power, but anyone not in red I am willing to work with and give them additional characters if they'd like.

[Danny]

Also, if you are not sure or do not have the time, you can send me a list of a couple universes you like and I'll give you your character(s) based on that.

[Danny]

Rules Posted!

[Danny]

Note the section in bold as that is a new concept I have added to add some spice to the game.

[Lathum]

Roland needs no help...

[Abe Sargent]

I am flying to Colorado for an interview with CSU next week. I should know my schedule later today, and that will tell me if I can still WW it out or not.

[CrimsonFox]

Guys keep in mind, you can be multiple characters. So for example, Hoops is stuck at one character because he is playing Sauron, but I'd have no problem giving Lathum another character or two to go with Roland. If someone wanted to, they could probably get the entire team of ninja turtles, or something along those lines. Heck, it's possible for someone to take the 12 angry men, though they would each be pretty weak.

Henry Fonda has the power to put people to sleep with his long boring speeches! And Jack Warden could make them put up their dukes and give em an right hook to the kisser!

[ntndeacon]

Henry Fonda has the power to put people to sleep with his long boring speeches! And Jack Warden could make them put up their dukes and give em an right hook to the kisser!

Would Lee J Cobb have the ability to stab at a downward angle and get rid of lousy kids?

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I leave Wed afternoon, arrive there. Then I have dinner, hit my hotel, and such. I don;t have a laptop that works anymore. No Internet then. Thursday is Interview at CSU. That night I have to stay as well (boo!)

Then I get back Friday at noonish.

So, I miss from Wed afternoon to Friday afternoon - two full days. No internet, no late light only, nothing.

So, it doesn;t look like I'll be able to play this game. Sad face.

[ntndeacon]

my first idea for a character is Jason Worthing from Orson Scott Card.

[Abe Sargent]

Ah well, and there goes my cool idea for what to be too...

[ntndeacon]

sorry about that Abe. did not realize I would have an idea that many others would know about.

[Abe Sargent]

sorry about that Abe. did not realize I would have an idea that many others would know about.

Know know, i wasn;t referring to you, I was referring to who I wanted to be. I wasn't sure if I should tell you because I didn;t want to influence anyone if I didn;t play, but why not?

I wanted to be the Argonauts! Jason, Heracles, Orpheus, Atalanta, etc. Been awesome!

[CrimsonFox]

I'll play Sauron.

I toss your jewelry into a hot bowl of soup. Game over.

[J23]

I'm thinking I'll take Cartman, Kyle, Stan, Kenny and Butters from South Park.

I am a bit worried that Kenny will die a horrific death early, but we shall see.

[hoopsguy]

I toss your jewelry into a hot bowl of soup. Game over.

Yep, it pretty much is that easy.

[hoopsguy]

I'm pretty sure that I'll re-arrange the calendar to play in this one.

I've got a new client where I don't have access to the Internet during the day. This will impact me for at least one day next week, maybe two. I'll post a day ahead of time so people don't start wondering why I'm too quiet.

[Autumn]

Hmm, I haven't heard from Hoops much.

vote hoopsguy

[hoopsguy]

That is a terrible argument. I had posted only one minute ago, and have the most posts in the thread out of anyone that is not moderating.

VOTE AUTUMN
VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Autumn]

Hmm, Hoops just told us he wouldn't have access during the day, but then shows up immediately when someone places a vote on him. I smell a wolf!

doublevote Hoopsguy

[Darth Vilus]

anyone gonna be chuck norris? cuz that would be a tough mofo to take down lol. Sauron on the other hand, no match for the sith

[Autumn]

Yeah, I thougth of Chuck Norris, he'd be great. I'm going another direction though I think.

[hoopsguy]

I've got a new client where I don't have access to the Internet during the day. This will impact me for at least one day next week, maybe two. I'll post a day ahead of time so people don't start wondering why I'm too quiet.

Hmm, Hoops just told us he wouldn't have access during the day, but then shows up immediately when someone places a vote on him. I smell a wolf!

doublevote Hoopsguy

Reading comprehension for the loss!

DAYKILL THE-UNKNOWN-CHARACTER-THAT-IS-AUTUMN

[Autumn]

Come on Hoopsguy is already multiquoting! Somebody start a game for him soon, he's jonesing.

[hoopsguy]

Pretty soon I'll have enough voting records to start constructing (bogus) arguments.

[CrimsonFox]

That is a terrible argument. I had posted only one minute ago, and have the most posts in the thread out of anyone that is not moderating.

VOTE AUTUMN
VOTE NIGHTFALL


Hmmm, well I know the seer just told us you were a wolf, and you've got blood all over your hands and mouth, and you are wearing an I'm a werewolf T-shirt, and you have fur and fangs, but your argument is just so compelling.

VOTE AUTUMN
VOTE NIGHTFALL

[hoopsguy]

No, I'm not a werewolf (most of the time) ... I just created them and command them. If anyone is going to be able to identify werewolves for you in this world, then I'm that guys. Period.

The seer is clearly deluded, and all the rest of that information is circumstantial at best.

But your vote is top notch. Nice work, Crimson. We're on the road to villager victory.

[Autumn]

CrimsonFox has been staring into that orb again.

[Danny]

Too bad Abe. Hopefully we get some more signups over the weekend.

[Chief Rum]

Dola (easier to get those these days) ...

Jesus would be pretty awesome :)

How funny... I didn't read the thread at all, just sent Danny a PM this morning and asked if I could be... Jesus! :D

I haven't heard back yet from Danny, so I am guessing the Son of God is causing him balance issues. ;)

[hoopsguy]

The Son of God is going to be bummed when he is lynched by Eric Cartman.

[MrBug708]

Can I be QOTM?

[Schmidty]

Danny - If I pick Hulk, can I have any other characters too?

[Danny]

I think Hulk would be pretty powerful alone.

I actually thinking about postponing this game and just going with a more simple WW game. I'm not sure how well my plans will work for 13 players. Thoughts?

[Autumn]

I think you should go with your gut. It would be a bummer to postpone it, but there just hasn't been a lot of activity here. Even in the games we've managed to run I've felt like people were less active. So might not be the best time to use an intense rule set. I almost didn't run Survivor for that reason. I'll be gone 'til tomorrow night, so if something does start off before I'm home, that's why I'm not around.

[PurdueBrad]

Danny, I agree with Autumn above. Do what you believe is best, as I know you can put together a great "simple" game as well.

Brad

[hoopsguy]

I'll be fine either way. I hope the big game happens at some point, but it should be with participation level that you need rather than trying to force-feed a big game to a small group.

[Chief Rum]

I'll be fine either way. I hope the big game happens at some point, but it should be with participation level that you need rather than trying to force-feed a big game to a small group.

:+1:

[Chief Rum]

Oh, and what the hell were you doing up at 5 a.m. on a Sunday, Danny? ;)

[Danny]

I'm going to postpone the big game, but at least the ruleset is done for when it could happen again.

I'll just go ahead and run a more standard WW game. I'll try and get the new rules up soon and then we can have our first deadline on Wednesday.

[Danny]

Rules for the revised game have been added. It's mostly basic roles, but with a twist.

[Danny]

Due to the change in rules, if anyone wished to unsign up, just let me know in here before the game starts.

[Darth Vilus]

so the game starts wed?

[CrimsonFox]

so how do we pick people? PM? in this thread?

[Danny]

No need to pick characters as I changed the game as we didn't have enough players for that ruleset.

Yes, game starts Wednesday, day 1 roles / sides to go out Tuesday night.

[Autumn]

That looks like a fun ruleset. I'll stay in.

[ntndeacon]

I still am in

[CrimsonFox]

love this set! Go WOlves!
I mean, BOOO WOLVES!

[hoopsguy]

Just wanted to reaffirm that I'm in.

[Danny]

The game has begun!

All villagers received the message "you are a villager" and those with roles were told they had X role for day 1.

[Danny]

First deadline is tomorrow, Aug 4th at 10pm eastern.

[hoopsguy]

Good news, everyone! I'm a villager!

[The Jackal]

Good news, everyone! I'm a villager!

Me too!

[hoopsguy]

Hooray, we've got two villager identified. If the rest of the villager are willing to come out and reveal that they are villagers then we could end this one quickly!

[hoopsguy]

I have no idea why I had a hard time with the "S" at the end of villagers in the previous post. Stuff like this makes me wish I could edit every once in awhile ...

[Autumn]

Hey guys, glad to see this one starting. I *just* finished a rush job I've been working on all day so I'm just going to collapse into bed. I'll look back over the rules in the morning and see what we've got.

[MrBug708]

I'm a villager too!

[hoopsguy]

Looks like Autumn ducked the thread without declaring as a villager. Must be a wolf!

VOTE AUTUMN

[Darth Vilus]

villager checking in. Let's do this, I'm a cashew!

[CrimsonFox]

Just want to reaffirm that hoops is in. (There's a donkey kong kill screen in 10 minutes...kill screen in ten minutes...)

VILLAGER!

[DaddyTorgo]

my first idea for a character is Jason Worthing from Orson Scott Card.

I think I almost like Worthing better than Ender.

That would have been cool.

[DaddyTorgo]

2:06...9:06....7 hours with no activity

[Autumn]

Everyone's probably still boggled at Hoopsguy's horrible vote.

Anyone played ina game of rotating roles like this before? Is there a strategy that makes sense playing off of that? It seems mostly an advantage for us since we can have the seer reveal their finding every day without fear of being taken out. That's a good deal The downside is simply that some days we may not have a village scan?

[DaddyTorgo]

Wolves can always fake-reveal someone as a wolf if they get the seer. They could also try to 1:1 and get the seer knocked out of the game early if they luck into getting that role early.

That's one lil wrinkle I thought of just now.

[J23]

I'm also a villager. Perhaps that declaration will save me from the ire of Hoops.

My work schedule has gotten crazy in the last week so I don't expect to be on much until after 6 EST.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm here. I'm working for the good of my peeps....the village!

(just in case that wasn't clear or anything)

[Lathum]

Villager checking in, not sure how I feel about the rotating roles, seems like it will make clearing anyone very difficult

[DaddyTorgo]

Can't believe Lathum is playing!!!

yayyyyyy

[Autumn]

Looking back at the way the roles work for wolves i don't see any particular way we can out them through that. The wolf bodyguard is the only one that works in a public way different than the villager version. But I think we'd have to be pretty lucky to glean anything from that.

So I think it's mostly just straight up WW, perhaps with more seer reveals than normal. I'm now going to figure out some rationale for a day one vote that I can live with.

[Autumn]

All right lately it seems there have been a lot of no-votes, no-shows, quiet players in the WW games. My day one rationale is going ot be to vote for anyone that doesn't show up. If everyone shows up, I'll probably vote for anyone who is really quiet and doesn't contribute to the conversation. Failing that I'll have to scramble for something new. I will probably not vote for Mr. Bug day one. I don't think I've ever played with him, and I don't like to vote off someone who hasn't been playing a lot lately day one.

[Autumn]

triple dola

now I'm back to doing some work

[PurdueBrad]

Checking in, villager. Also, glad to be playing again!

[hoopsguy]

I'm just hoping for a more conversational game of werewolf than we've had the last couple of times that I've played. If that does not materialize, then I'm going to play a somewhat whimsical game that helps bring me some enjoyment.

Not sure my whimsy has brought Autumn enjoyment so far, but those are the breaks.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hoopsy!!! So fun to see you!!!

*waves*

[Autumn]

Checking back in for a second. Looks like everyone has checked in but Chief, Schmidty and NTN.

[Autumn]

And it's no skin off my back, Hoops. Everybody's gotta vote for someone. I'm hoping for a more conversational game too. I've found them frustrating lately with so little talk.

[Chief Rum]

All right, I am here. Still pondering the rule set and its ramifications.

[hoopsguy]

Can a player get the same role twice? I would assume so, but figured I would ask for clarification just in case.

[CrimsonFox]

2:06...9:06....7 hours with no activity

your right. How DARE you people sleep!

[CrimsonFox]

Wait, so is there still only one "duking" or does every time the Duke switches, does that new duke get to duke again?

[Danny]

I was not clear on that, but the duke will only be able to be used once. However, I have added that the duke will decide ties, so even after the lynch power is used, there will be some advantage to the duke.

[Autumn]

Ah, so duke will just be a race to see who uses it first. Which given our duking history probably won't go well. Having the ability to decide ties will still be of use though.

As of the moment I'll be voting Schmidty or NTN. If both of them show up I will probably chose one of the traditionally quieter players (which includes both of them). I know that's always a bone of contention, but I just hate to get stuck later in the game with people who haven't put many thoughts down in words.

[CrimsonFox]

What race? there will be a duking first day as always ;)

[ntndeacon]

I am here now, and as a villager I think Autumns idea of voting for me is somewhat wolvish.

[MrBug708]

Checking back in, Im a bit sore from soccer today!

[ntndeacon]

did you win, MrBug?

[Darth Vilus]

i woke up late and am leaving the house pretty soon. Ill be pretty busy for a good while, not sure if i'll make it back before deadline or not.

[Darth Vilus]

Oh I forgot to vote

Vote J23

Why? Because i'm awesome

[Autumn]

I'm sure I'll get flak just for putting any thoughts out there, NTN, that's always what happens. But I made clear what my criteria was. Now that you've checked in my vote will go to Schmidty, until the point at which he checks in. I'd rather vote out someone not playing than someone that is.

We can have these discussions all day, every day 1 vote or non-vote is wolfish somehow or other.

[MrBug708]

did you win, MrBug?

We didnt keep score. It was a tiny turnout (3-3). The score was probably around 20 for each team

[PurdueBrad]

The duke dynamic is interesting and I agree with whoever said it'll basically be a race to see who uses it first. My money would be that it'll be used today or, at the latest, tomorrow, but remember, that usually goes poorly for us.

[PurdueBrad]

A bit of revision to my above thoughts (and this would work much better if the wolves don't read it so stop reading now please...thank you):

There may be some use in getting the duke part out of play because we know that a wolf would use it given the opportunity. I know it's like throwing darts at a dart board but is there value in getting the ability to duke out of the game just to keep it out of wolf hands? Depending on timing, it could be a massive game-changer if the wolves had the ability to use it midpoint or later. But I guess at the same point, a bad duke that late probably points to our next lynch so I may be wrong.

Kind of thinking aloud with that, kind of hoping to at least generate some discussion about it. So, thoughts?

[Autumn]

I think you hit it at the end, PB. If a duke uses the ability they might be able to save a wolf, but only by putting themselves in the targets. In addition, having the ability to break ties is a big deal for the wolves too. So I would *not* recommend a villager just use it to use it up. We've seen how that goes.

[Lathum]

Could this work...

The duke outs them self today, asap.

Then what we do is we keep two votes, we all vote for the duke, then we all put in a second, "unofficial" vote for who we want and the duke switches to that person, who would be the actual day 1 vote leader.

[PurdueBrad]

So which of you Big Ten football fans is going to be my D1 vote? Looking at you Hoops and Schmidty...Go Purdue! 6-6 or 7-5 here we come (although my dream season would be 9-3).

[PurdueBrad]

Lathum, see where you are going. So basically we still preserve our vote, we just let the duke do the dirty work and get that power out of the game. It still gives us vote history as well. My gut reaction is that it makes sense but I do want to think about it.

[Autumn]

Seems like a pretty solid idea, Lathum. I was worried that the doublevoter might throw it off, but i guess it wouldn't. The question is can we get that together. Seems a simple enough plan, but you know how it is.

[Lathum]

I see no reason we coiuldn't get it together. Only one or two people have voted so that shouldn't have to big an effect on things.

If we all vote for the duke it their votes wont matter and if they don't return we can use their official vote towards the duke selection.

[Autumn]

I'm not sure what your last sentence means, Lathum.

The problem I see with getting it together is when the duke shows up to reveal. If other people are gone by that point it might not work.

I should be around enough to participate either way though, so I'll wait and see.

[ntndeacon]

the problem with that Lathum is what if the duke is a wolf today?

[Lathum]

the problem with that Lathum is what if the duke is a wolf today?

Well what is the problem?

If no one reveals duke today we can assume the duke was a wolf. If the duke is a wolf and goes against our wishes they are committing suicide.

Does anyone see any downside to the duke revealing?

Also, if the duke of the day goes rogue and uses the power just to use it I will not only assume they were a wolf, but that the leading vote getter was a wolf as well.

[MrBug708]

Wouldnt the duke be wolf food tonight then?

Im gonnabe at the circus tonight, but my phone should give me limited access

[Chief Rum]

I like Lathum's idea, but we do need the duke to reveal.

One other thought is, if the duke doesn't reveal, then we might be better off pushing for a tie then.

If we assume the duke is a wolf (because there is no duke reveal), then we can use the tiebreaker to rule out half of the players as being the duke-wolf. That wouldn't mean that they aren't wolves of other sorts, of course, but at least we have a starting point to nab our first wolf.

[Chief Rum]

Wouldnt the duke be wolf food tonight then?

Im gonnabe at the circus tonight, but my phone should give me limited access

The wolves may want to keep the duke in the game, since they can use him, too (even as just the tiebreaker). Also, as then the only cleared individual in the game, the duke would almost certainly be protected by the BG tonight.

So, no, I don't think the wolves would kill the duke tonight. They are much more likely to kill the cleared person tomorrow night, when they are no longer the duke.

Of course, with no limit on protecting the same person, if we do not have any better candidates, the BG might just go back to protecting the former duke.

[DaddyTorgo]

Interesting thought.

Idle speculation re: the duke being a wolf though. That isn't the case.

I've got to step out for a couple hours to socialize with work folk in a couple minutes, but I'll throw out a vote and leave a PM for Danny. I really should be back before deadline though - I can't imagine I wouldn't be.

[MrBug708]

Well what is the problem?

If no one reveals duke today we can assume the duke was a wolf. If the duke is a wolf and goes against our wishes they are committing suicide.

Does anyone see any downside to the duke revealing?

Also, if the duke of the day goes rogue and uses the power just to use it I will not only assume they were a wolf, but that the leading vote getter was a wolf as well.

Something doesn't fit though.

If the Duke is outted and he is a wolf and complies with our wishes, will we know if the Duke was a wolf/villager? What happens if we "unofficially" pick another wolf, it would be a bigger suicide by moving off what we pick since that would almost assuredly mean they were two wolves.

If the Duke is outed and is a villager, we still have the other vote for someone else. That someone else isn't going to go down without much of a plea. They would almost be forced to try and vote against the Duke, since the Duke would almost assuredly vote for what the rest of the villagers want, if for nothing more then self preservation.

And that doesn't touch on the fact that if the wolf is the bodyguard, the Duke is screwed even further.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Lathum]

Something doesn't fit though.

If the Duke is outted and he is a wolf and complies with our wishes, will we know if the Duke was a wolf/villager? What happens if we "unofficially" pick another wolf, it would be a bigger suicide by moving off what we pick since that would almost assuredly mean they were two wolves.

If the Duke is outed and is a villager, we still have the other vote for someone else. That someone else isn't going to go down without much of a plea. They would almost be forced to try and vote against the Duke, since the Duke would almost assuredly vote for what the rest of the villagers want, if for nothing more then self preservation.

And that doesn't touch on the fact that if the wolf is the bodyguard, the Duke is screwed even further.

It doesn't matter if the duke is a wolf or villager. The goal is get the ability out of the game D1 without screwing someone to bad. Otherwise we run the risk of the role falling into wolves hands later in the game and really screwing us.

[Autumn]

Are you saying your'e hte duke, DT? Don't get so fancy, I"m starving.

I'm heading out to dinner. So I'm going to place my vote on DT, assuming he's saying he's the duke. I will then place my "real" vote on Schmidty. He hasn't checked in yet, is the only one, and I'm all for voting out inactive people over active ones. I'll check back after the kids are in bed and see if he's convinced me to move my vote.

informal vote; vote schmidty

vote daddytorgo

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes. I like being fancy and coy with my reveals.

The Duke is here gentlemen. Lock up your wives and your daughters!!!

[Lathum]

OK, I am going to do my best to keep a running total

Official lynch vote

DaddyTorgo-2- DT, Autumn
Autumn-1 Hoops
J23-1 DV

Unofficial Lynch Vote

Schmidty- Autumn (150)

[Lathum]

Vote DaddyTorgo

[Lathum]

Official lynch vote

DaddyTorgo-3- DT, Autumn, Lathum
Autumn-1 Hoops
J23-1 DV

Unofficial Lynch Vote

Schmidty- Autumn (150)
__________________

[PurdueBrad]

I'll go along:

vote DaddyTorgo

My unofficial, for now, is Hoops. We've been same side only four or five times vs. probably twenty times being opposites so I'll take that gamble early.

[DaddyTorgo]

Vote DaddyTorgo

I'm offended. After all the nice things I said about Colin??? :confused:


;)

[hoopsguy]

UNVOTE AUTUMN
VOTE DADDYTORGO

Will catch up with reading a bit later when I get out of meetings and conference calls, but it seems like this is the direction people are going.

My unofficial, if we are supposed to name these, are the person I initially voted for today. For no particularly good reason, other than Day 1 hijinks and trying to avoid narrowing early game votes always on same people.

[Lathum]

Official lynch vote

DaddyTorgo-5- DT, Autumn, Lathum, PB, Hoops
J23-1 DV

Unofficial Lynch Vote

Schmidty- Autumn (150)
Autumn-Hoops (157)
Hoops- PB (155)

[CrimsonFox]

Declaring that whoever doesn't follow a "group" plan that's thought of by one person is a wolf is not by any means a given. Our group plans seldom have worked for the reason that not everyone has to agree with it, nor take orders in how to play from anyone else.

[Lathum]

friendly reminder to sign up for WW fantasy football.

[CrimsonFox]

UNVOTE AUTUMN
VOTE DADDYTORGO

Will catch up with reading a bit later when I get out of meetings and conference calls, but it seems like this is the direction people are going.

My unofficial, if we are supposed to name these, are the person I initially voted for today. For no particularly good reason, other than Day 1 hijinks and trying to avoid narrowing early game votes always on same people.

*gasp* I am shocked! You seemed so sure! I am crushed. Hoops I am never believing you again. My hero worship image of you is shattered.

[MrBug708]

Since its the biggest thing since sliced bread

vote daddytorgo

[Lathum]

Declaring that whoever doesn't follow a "group" plan that's thought of by one person is a wolf is not by any means a given. Our group plans seldom have worked for the reason that not everyone has to agree with it, nor take orders in how to play from anyone else.

If you have a better strategy I am more than willing to hear it, however, I am of the opinion that if there is a plan that helps the village and someone is against it then they are against it for a reason. Especially on D1 with all things being equal.

And no one is giving orders, people can make any choice they want, that is their right. It is also the right of anyone to be suspicious of another player for any reason, legitimate or not.

[CrimsonFox]

Don't like the early runaway. I"ll go with Autumn's plan as it always goes until the end and screws us. Might change.

VOTE SCHIMDTY

[Lathum]

CF, I would be interested to hear why you disagree with the proposed plan.

[CrimsonFox]

You're putting things in my mouth I have not said. Thanks for that. I didn't even read it through really. Doesn't matter to me what it says. Everytime someone says "This is my plan. Every follow it now! It's the best plan ever" it never works. Why? Everyone makes up their own mind about what the best way to catch a wolf is. And since it's a game everyone puts their vote where they want. With that being the case every time it is attempted to "organize" something like that, it is unhelpful to say "well so and so didn't follow my plan and is therefore a wolf." <------This is what I'm saying and have repeated in , oh, about 4 games of werewolf before.

[Lathum]

I find it interesting you haven't read the proposed plan, yet claim it won't work. If you think the best way to catch a wolf D1 is with a blind uneducated vote that's fine, I would rather have some sort of plan that can help us down the road.

As far as thinking someone who doesn't want to follow my plan, let alone read it, is a wolf, that is certainly my prerogative.

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Chief Rum]

Yup, DT seems to be saying he is the duke.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

If you're going to make an unofficial vote as well, it would be best to CAPS it without bolding. That way, we won't miss it, but Danny won't count it as a vote.

I haven't decided who I like for an unofficial vote yet.

[J23]

I can get behind the plan.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

my unofficial vote will be:

VOTE DV

Just a heads up, but I won't be around later tonight for discussion and such, and likely most of the day tomorrow. I'll be doing a lot of catchup at this time tomorrow (provided I'm still alive that is). Don't feel bad voting for the absent guy however, I'm not any more special than usual (tonight at least).

[The Jackal]

Busy day for me

vote dt

[Lathum]

Official lynch vote

DaddyTorgo-8- DT, Autumn, Lathum, PB, Hoops, Bug, CR, J23
J23-1 DV
Schmidty-1-CF

Unofficial Lynch Vote

Schmidty-1 Autumn (150)
Autumn-1 Hoops (157)
Hoops-1 PB (155)
DV-1 J23 (169)

[Lathum]

Official lynch vote

DaddyTorgo-9- DT, Autumn, Lathum, PB, Hoops, Bug, CR, J23, Jackal
J23-1 DV
Schmidty-1-CF

Unofficial Lynch Vote

Schmidty-1 Autumn (150)
Autumn-1 Hoops (157)
Hoops-1 PB (155)
DV-1 J23 (169)

[Chief Rum]

I am out of time (heading to the other job), so I have to put in an unofficial vote.

I have no idea who to go for, but I'm not wild about anyone voted on so far. Going on vibe, the most suspicious to me are Bug (that's completely vibe, could be I haven't played with him much) and CF, with him looking askance at the plan.

I am going to with UNOFFICAL VOTE: Crimson Fox.

I'm away until after deadline, so good luck everyone.

[Schmidty]

I'm finally checking in.

[Schmidty]

...but I just hate to get stuck later in the game with people who haven't put many thoughts down in words.

Sometimes I wish I could invent a never-ending bowl of mint chocolate chip ice cream, or Quarter Pounder with Cheese gum....

[Schmidty]

I'll go along with th vote train.

VOTE DT

[hoopsguy]

Sometimes I wish I could invent a never-ending bowl of mint chocolate chip ice cream, or Quarter Pounder with Cheese gum....

Good choice in ice cream. Consider yourself safe from a day 2 vote, barring you getting fingered overnight by the seer :p

[Lathum]

OK< we have about an hour and 18 minutes until deadline and only 5 "unofficial" votes for DT to choose from unless my count is off. I am going to break the logjam and vote AUTUMN. CF jumps out at me as well but I don't think a wolf would be so outspoken about a D1 villager plan.

[Lathum]

Unofficial Lynch Vote

Schmidty-1 Autumn (150)
Autumn-2 Hoops (157), Lathum (178)
Hoops-1 PB (155)
DV-1 J23 (169)
CF-1- CR (173)
________________

[Autumn]

Well this is a problem I hadn't anticipated. It seems most everyone has voted, but most people are "forgetting" to vote for an actual candidate. Does everyone understand that they're still supposed to vote their normal vote as well? We still need to have an actual voting record or we've just wasted day one.

Since Schmidty has checked in I feel free to move my vote, since we have way too much spread (and obviously I'm not a fan of the leading candidate). I'm not quite sure where I'm going to move it yet. I'm still not a fan of Schmidty's style here, showing up and adding nothing to the conversation. If he's a wolf then on day 6 we come back and have absolutely nothing to judge him on (or if he's a villager). CF seems to be throwing a monkey wrench in a fairly solid plan everyone is following for no good reason. DV just strikes me as off with his out of the blue vote on J23. Hoops I don't have any real suspicion on yet, and I feel he's too useful as a villager to just off for no reason.

[Lathum]

I am starting to think about people who are voting for DT with their official vote than not voting for an "unofficial" candidate. People may just be taking their time, but if it gets closer to the deadline I will probably consider shifting my vote to one of them or to CF.

[Autumn]

I'm going to move my unofficial vote to CF. He seems more ornery than usual. I feel like Lathum's plan has a pretty good chance of outing a wolf duke if we have one, or at the very least of keeping the duke power out of wolf's hands. Given that, it would not be surprising if the wolves were trying to squirm out of it.

unofficially UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
unofficially VOTE CRIMSONFOX

[Autumn]

I am starting to think about people who are voting for DT with their official vote than not voting for an "unofficial" candidate. People may just be taking their time, but if it gets closer to the deadline I will probably consider shifting my vote to one of them or to CF.

Yeah I'm worried that we've given people a perfect day one out. "Oh I voted for DT, I didn't realize we were supposed to vote someone else."

[Lathum]

Yeah I'm worried that we've given people a perfect day one out. "Oh I voted for DT, I didn't realize we were supposed to vote someone else."

I wouldn't accept this as an excuse from anyone, the plan was very simple and straightforward.

[Lathum]

So it seems Jackal, Bug, and DT haven't submitted their "unofficial" candidates. Of these 3 Jackal makes me the most nervous, comes in with a quick "I'm busy" hit and run vote. It is the perfect set up for claiming down the road he didn't have a chance to fully look things over.

[Lathum]

Autumn-2 Hoops (157), Lathum (178)
Hoops-1 PB (155)
DV-1 J23 (169)
CF-2- CR (173), Autumn (182)

[Autumn]

Looks like we have two non-voters, right?

[Lathum]

Looks like we have two non-voters, right?

I think NTN is the only non voter for the official vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

Declaring that whoever doesn't follow a "group" plan that's thought of by one person is a wolf is not by any means a given. Our group plans seldom have worked for the reason that not everyone has to agree with it, nor take orders in how to play from anyone else.

This is true. If the group nominates someone that I think is totally nuts then I reserve the right not to go with it.

[DaddyTorgo]

So it seems Jackal, Bug, and DT haven't submitted their "unofficial" candidates. Of these 3 Jackal makes me the most nervous, comes in with a quick "I'm busy" hit and run vote. It is the perfect set up for claiming down the road he didn't have a chance to fully look things over.

Didn't think I necessarily had too...since I'm the duke and all. My D1 vote will be whoever I duke it to obviously.

[Lathum]

This is true. If the group nominates someone that I think is totally nuts then I reserve the right not to go with it.

This completely goes against the impression you gave this morning that you were on board.

The reason why logical plans don't work is because people choose to not go along with them, using the logic that someone always messes it up, in turn being the one themselves to mess it up.

I'm sorry DT, but to me it reeks if you put yourself in the line of fire in order to use the ability, then don't follow the wishes of the people who agree to go along with a plan that will be helpful for the village.

[Autumn]

I think NTN is the only non voter for the official vote.

I guess I missed somebody in my count then, that's all right.

I'm inclined to switch to NTN if he's truly going to miss the vote. He's been here, made a big deal about how "wolfy" it was that I wanted to vote out people who did not check in today, made some comments, and then didn't vote?

[DaddyTorgo]

This completely goes against the impression you gave this morning that you were on board.

The reason why logical plans don't work is because people choose to not go along with them, using the logic that someone always messes it up, in turn being the one themselves to mess it up.

I'm sorry DT, but to me it reeks if you put yourself in the line of fire in order to use the ability, then don't follow the wishes of the people who agree to go along with a plan that will be helpful for the village.

So says the guy with "World's Greatest Wolf" as his title.

I'm just saying - if everyone was like "oooh Hoopsguy is my vote" but I had some "tell" I noticed in Hoops' play that let me know he wasn't a wolf...I wouldn't blindly follow along and lynch a villager.

Similarly - if everyone wanted me to duke it to myself or something, I'd say "umm fuck no."

[Lathum]

Didn't think I necessarily had too...since I'm the duke and all. My D1 vote will be whoever I duke it to obviously.

It shouldn't be. The whole point of this is to still have a voting history, in order to do that we need a vote from as many people as possible with you duking to the candidate the majority chooses, thus recreating D1 as accurately as possible while removing the duke from the game.

[Autumn]

Didn't think I necessarily had too...since I'm the duke and all. My D1 vote will be whoever I duke it to obviously.

No, no, the whole point is that you have to vote, like a normal day. And that you only duke the person who wins the vote. So it's a regular voting day. If you're a wolf you don't get to pull any stunts, if you're a villager you don't pull any boneheaded moves. If you just duke as usual the whole thing is wasted.

[Autumn]

Oh man, Lathum keeps saying the same things as me while I'm typing. I should just let you do the talking, Lathum.

[Lathum]

DT, I would understand you not duking to yourself, but short of you being the lead candidate any deviation from the majority candidate just hurts the village and completely wastes today.

If you have a "tell" on someone reveal it and try to get the vote swung towards or away from that person.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm caught up and looking to be more relevant than my placeholder. I don't like casting off CF simply for questioning an idea, so I'll move to Autumn and put some pressure on DT to actually follow through with our wishes.

UNOFFICIAL VOTE AUTUMN

[Lathum]

Autumn-3 Hoops (157), Lathum (178) PB (198)
Hoops-1 PB (155)
DV-1 J23 (169)
CF-2- CR (173), Autumn (182)

[PurdueBrad]

Do I have to unofficially unvote?

[Autumn]

I agree Lathum, though we're already at half a waste with only 6 real votes for the day. More than half the players not putting down a solid vote? That's going to suck.

[Lathum]

Hoops, I see you have been lingering. Any thoughts?

[Autumn]

Well, that sucks.

[Lathum]

Autumn-3 Hoops (157), Lathum (178) PB (198)
DV-1 J23 (169)
CF-2- CR (173), Autumn (182)

fixed

[Autumn]

That may be a lame reason to vote CF, PurdueBrad, but what reason is there to vote me? Because Hoops voted me? That's pretty much all that's happened against me, and he only voted me because I didn't check in and say "I'm a villager."

[hoopsguy]

I went along with this plan with my eyes wide open in terms of how the duke (DT had revealed) may choose to play it. They have the power, and it is tough to cede that over to the majority, no matter how well conceived the plan might be.

DT, I would just ask that you strongly consider the majority vote in your order and that if you deviate from it that it not be a post-deadline surprise. I don't see any upside for you doing that as a villager, and would see pretty considerable downside.

I would also ask the seer to put in a conditional order, with the provision being that if DT does not duke to the majority that he is the scan choice. If he does duke to the majority then scan whoever was your original target.

I think that at least puts some pressure on a potential "wolf duke" ... no idea if we have that scenario here, just trying to think up some kind of appropriate counter-measures if the duke goes rogue.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hmmm - I see I guess. Guess I don't see the point in my making an unofficial vote on the person who's going to be duked to and then duking to them. If I disagreed with the majority then I would duke to someone else. But if I agree with the majority then why make the unofficial vote and then duke to them? Seems...redundant.

But if you're getting all wrapped up in it:

VOTE AUTUMN

[DaddyTorgo]

I went along with this plan with my eyes wide open in terms of how the duke (DT had revealed) may choose to play it. They have the power, and it is tough to cede that over to the majority, no matter how well conceived the plan might be.

DT, I would just ask that you strongly consider the majority vote in your order and that if you deviate from it that it not be a post-deadline surprise. I don't see any upside for you doing that as a villager, and would see pretty considerable downside.

I would also ask the seer to put in a conditional order, with the provision being that if DT does not duke to the majority that he is the scan choice. If he does duke to the majority then scan whoever was your original target.

I think that at least puts some pressure on a potential "wolf duke" ... no idea if we have that scenario here, just trying to think up some kind of appropriate counter-measures if the duke goes rogue.

good call

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, I see you have been lingering. Any thoughts?

Yep, just typed them.

Keep in mind, I've never had a "real" duke role so that probably colors my thinking just a little bit. I try not to let that impact me, but I'm dying to get to use the duke just one time in a werewolf game :) Alas, it isn't going to be this one.

Always the duke-ie, never the duke :rant:

[Autumn]

*sigh*

[PurdueBrad]

That may be a lame reason to vote CF, PurdueBrad, but what reason is there to vote me? Because Hoops voted me? That's pretty much all that's happened against me, and he only voted me because I didn't check in and say "I'm a villager."

You are my vote by default based on what is out there. I don't want to risk a tie, I want to pressure DT into having to follow through with our plan, and I really don't like the reasoning for voting CF, that leaves you as my default. And Hoops and Lathum voting you actually made me consider not voting you because I count them as incredibly dangerous wolves (and great villagers but either of them as wolves always scares me).

[Autumn]

Well I urged you to stick to the vote, DT, but now I"m reconsidering.

Why are you voting me, DT? It seems I have four votes, and only one of them has given even a trace of a reason. What have I done that's suspicious?

CrimsonFox blew in here and refused to go along with a really useful village plan. Isn't that more suspicious than checking in without saying "I'm a villager," which I might add I never do in any game?

[hoopsguy]

Autumn, if you do end up getting whacked as a villager on day 1 for something as silly as my initial vote then that really sucks and I'm sorry. I certainly did not push for a bandwagon - was just having some fun last night before going to bed.

In all seriousness, I've got some minor wolf vibes early with you trying to downplay the vote and now sweating it a bit when it looks like you might get caught. I'm feeling this enough to not change my "unofficial vote" at this stage in the day.

[Lathum]

Hmmm - I see I guess. Guess I don't see the point in my making an unofficial vote on the person who's going to be duked to and then duking to them. If I disagreed with the majority then I would duke to someone else. But if I agree with the majority then why make the unofficial vote and then duke to them? Seems...redundant.

But if you're getting all wrapped up in it:

VOTE AUTUMN

:banghead:

If you were duke on D1 would you switch the vote to the person you voted just for the hell of it?

[Autumn]

That makes zero sense, PB. You would have made it 3-2 CF, and then DT would have to go along with that and it would be 4-2 CF. So how about you switch over to him, and DT will Duke to him and we'll all be happy?

[Lathum]

Unofficialy unvote Autumn
Unofficially Vote CF

[DaddyTorgo]

:banghead:

If you were duke on D1 would you switch the vote to the person you voted just for the hell of it?

I'm confused about what has you confused. But let's just table this one - I get the feeling we're both on the same side and just miscommunicating past each other.

[Lathum]

I think at this stage if Autumn was a wolf he would have fake revealed to cast a shadow of a doubt if nothing else.

[Autumn]

Autumn, if you do end up getting whacked as a villager on day 1 for something as silly as my initial vote then that really sucks and I'm sorry. I certainly did not push for a bandwagon - was just having some fun last night before going to bed.

In all seriousness, I've got some minor wolf vibes early with you trying to downplay the vote and now sweating it a bit when it looks like you might get caught. I'm feeling this enough to not change my "unofficial vote" at this stage in the day.

Yeah I downplayed it because it was the first vote in the game, early on day one. That's nothing. Now I'm going to get lynched, with only half the people in the game even voting. Aren't the people not participating in a day one vote more suspicious than someone who's been participating all day?

I get it. Next time I'll freak out when someone throws a silly vote at me early on day one. That's the villager play.

[DaddyTorgo]

Unofficialy unvote Autumn
Unofficially Vote CF

This makes me curious...

[Lathum]

Unofficial Vote

Autumn-3 Hoops (157), PB (198), DT (207)
DV-1 J23 (169)
CF-3- CR (173), Autumn (182), Lathum (216)

[PurdueBrad]

That makes zero sense, PB. You would have made it 3-2 CF, and then DT would have to go along with that and it would be 4-2 CF. So how about you switch over to him, and DT will Duke to him and we'll all be happy?

I'm sorry, but voting for CF for questioning the groups plan is insane to me because a wolf would go along with the plan rather than draw that kind of attention. I feel comfortable where I am in comparison to that reasoning. I do know that I could've put CF into the lead but I don't agree he belongs there for the reasons given.

[DaddyTorgo]

So if we're tied, what am I supposed to do then village??

[Lathum]

I'm sorry, but voting for CF for questioning the groups plan is insane to me because a wolf would go along with the plan rather than draw that kind of attention. I feel comfortable where I am in comparison to that reasoning. I do know that I could've put CF into the lead but I don't agree he belongs there for the reasons given.

It would be a really solid wolf play to do just that to get people to think along the lines you are thinking and a move he is capable of making.

[PurdueBrad]

So if we're tied, what am I supposed to do then village??

If we're tied, I guess it is in your hands. I would still prefer to see you go for one of the leading vote-getters so we have some vote history.

[Autumn]

So if we're tied, what am I supposed to do then village??

I'm pretty sure you're suppose to duke to CF. ;-)

[Lathum]

I see Bug in the thread and he has yet to make an unofficial vote.

[Lathum]

Well, I suppose if nothing else today has generated more discussion that the average D1.

[hoopsguy]

DT, you get to make a call regardless of how the vote shakes out.

But if it is tied then the duke vote breaks the tie if you do nothing. So it wouldn't really be tied.

As far as your vote, do you really think Autumn is the right candidate today or were you just trying to remove the pressure on your duke action? I would like to know in terms of evaluating voting records for later in the game.

[Autumn]

You guys drive me crazy. Thanks for the vote *hah* of confidence, Lathum. Though honestly I'm not sure a fake reveal would help a wolf in this game. DT, I'm hoping that you duke elsewhere. I'm not a roled player right now, so I can't say I'm a worse lynch than duking randomly. But CF has been on the hot seat and would have revealed if he was a role.

[Autumn]

Well, I suppose if nothing else today has generated more discussion that the average D1.

But between what, four or five people? We have nearly nothing on most of hte players.

[DaddyTorgo]

DT, you get to make a call regardless of how the vote shakes out.

But if it is tied then the duke vote breaks the tie if you do nothing. So it wouldn't really be tied.

As far as your vote, do you really think Autumn is the right candidate today or were you just trying to remove the pressure on your duke action? I would like to know in terms of evaluating voting records for later in the game.

His play later this afternoon has given me increased confidence that he's the right candidate.

[MrBug708]

I really have nothing much else to add other then DT seems pretty fishy for wanting to suddenly reserve the right to switch. I understand it, just odd that he decided this so late in the game day.

[DaddyTorgo]

I actually thought about posting it before I left work at like 5pm, but ran out of time before it was time to go. Damn work.

Just FYI.

[Lathum]

I would agree Bug, but you have the power to put him to the test by choosing Autumn or CF right now.

[PurdueBrad]

I really have nothing much else to add other then DT seems pretty fishy for wanting to suddenly reserve the right to switch. I understand it, just odd that he decided this so late in the game day.

So who would be your unofficial vote?

[Autumn]

I really have nothing much else to add other then DT seems pretty fishy for wanting to suddenly reserve the right to switch. I understand it, just odd that he decided this so late in the game day.

So vote DT then. But everyone needs to put their ass on the line and vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

I would agree Bug, but you have the power to put him to the test by choosing Autumn or CF right now.

Nothing fishy about it. Just stating the obvious, because I resented the implication that I'm just some mindless tool.

[DaddyTorgo]

Makes me want to duke to Bug. Fishy as fuck there.

[PurdueBrad]

Autumn is right about one thing thus far, there are a lot of people that have managed to 'dodge' this vote.

[Autumn]

Makes me want to duke to Bug. Fishy as fuck there.

It'd be a better move than me. I've been willing to get my voice in the mix all day long. As usual it just puts someone in the hotseat while the wolves sit back and chuckle.

[DaddyTorgo]

Autumn is right about one thing thus far, there are a lot of people that have managed to 'dodge' this vote.

Dunno about you, but they're all seriously elevated on my radar now.

[Danny]

DEADLINE!

[Lathum]

Nothing fishy about it. Just stating the obvious, because I resented the implication that I'm just some mindless tool.

No one is saying anything of the sort, anyone could have been the duke and been in your position, it isn't anything personal towards you.

If you weren't going to be 100% on board then you shouldn't have revealed and just let today be an ordinary day 1, but this 180 and second guessing you are doing now stinks to high hell.

[DaddyTorgo]

No one is saying anything of the sort, anyone could have been the duke and been in your position, it isn't anything personal towards you.

If you weren't going to be 100% on board then you shouldn't have revealed and just let today be an ordinary day 1, but this 180 and second guessing you are doing now stinks to high hell.

who's doing a 180 and second-guessing?

i went along with the plan like a good lil doobie...I was just pointing out that nobody is really above suspiscion at this point - even those who came up with this idea.

[DaddyTorgo]

you just seem to zero in on me in WW games lately and feel like I'm wolfy no matter what I do, even when I'm not a wolf. So I guess I should expect it. And maybe it's a compliment.

But it's a bit irritating I must admit. Makes me want to post less and be more thoughtful with my posts, rather than just "stream of consciousness" style, which tends to be how I play best. You're cramping my style.

[Lathum]

who's doing a 180 and second-guessing?

i went along with the plan like a good lil doobie...I was just pointing out that nobody is really above suspiscion at this point - even those who came up with this idea.

You have spent the last hour discussing the possible ways you can use your ability and claiming if you don't like the majority candidate you reserve the right to go your own direction, which wasn't what was discussed earlier.

[Danny]

Everyone decides DaddyTorgo should decide the lynch with his duke ability, but who shall be the one to die? Sauron? Jason Worthing? Boba Fett? Ooops wrong game

No, he decides it shall be Autumn!

Autumn is killed, he was a wolf! Autumn had no current ability and thus all abilities are still currently in the game.

[Lathum]

you just seem to zero in on me in WW games lately and feel like I'm wolfy no matter what I do, even when I'm not a wolf. So I guess I should expect it. And maybe it's a compliment.

But it's a bit irritating I must admit. Makes me want to post less and be more thoughtful with my posts, rather than just "stream of consciousness" style, which tends to be how I play best. You're cramping my style.

Who are you talking about?

I haven't played a game in about 6 months.

[DaddyTorgo]

You have spent the last hour discussing the possible ways you can use your ability and claiming if you don't like the majority candidate you reserve the right to go your own direction, which wasn't what was discussed earlier.

i mentioned that in one fucking post and you jumped on it and have been beating it to death, forcing me to talk about it.

let it go and i'll stop addressing it. it was just an off-the-cuff, "i've had a scotch and 2 beers and a fruity girly drink" type statement.