WW CXXVII: Fight for the Cosmic Cube (GAME OVER see post #909)

[Danny]

I can have conversations with myself also you know

[Danny]

Though they often end up turning into arguments

[Danny]

That's because you always try and blame me for everything

[Danny]

Well, it usually is your fault

[Danny]

StOP PICKING ON ME!!!

[Danny]

Loser!

[Danny]

*Cries and runs off

[Chubby]

Another uneventful night, everyone is still alive.

Day 6 ends Thursday 9pm EST

[CrimsonFox]

Damnit, Danny! See what you did? Now go apologize! Right now!

[Danny]

vote autumn

haha, beat you again Narc!

[Narcizo]

Vote SnDvls

So, like I was saying, I'm really good - I've just been mind controlled.

[CrimsonFox]

vote autumn

haha, beat you again Narc!

You set your alarm again just for that joke didn't you! Now that's style.

[MrBug708]

Well we have the twice killed;

Danny - Captain Borong/Superman-very lite
DV - Hulk
Jackal - Thor
Bhlloy - Professor X

Mauboy, Bug, Zinto and NTN.

Seems like Zinto or mauboy are the one's most likely to be baddies if mckerney was a good guy. Autumn seemed certain that NTN was a good guy otherwise he wouldn't have voted him. They were happy voting Bug as well.

Of course there's naughty conversions to think/worry about as well. So how do you see this game going Nark?

For posterity

[mauchow]

vote sndvls

I wonder if this will end it.

[MrBug708]

Vote - NTN

[MrBug708]

Convince me otherwise

[mauchow]

Off the top of my head the end of the day switch off hoops onto doesn't look good. .. there was zero reason to do that as a good hero. Hoops admitted to be a wolf. Ties weren't a concern. It was a move that in my opinion was just making sure you died and then they thought they had the numbers but crazy shit ensued.

Sndvls should be the only person today IMO.

[MrBug708]

When hoops was going after me...Ntn put a vote on me when the lines were drawn

[SnDvls]

VOTE NARCIZO

[ntndeacon]

When hoops was going after me...Ntn put a vote on me when the lines were drawn
That was because I knew it did not matter, you were not going to die from lynching.

[ntndeacon]

Vote SnDvls

[Zinto]

I trust Bug more than anyone at this point. Sndvls switch isn't super glaring to me so I will follow suit and vote for ntn.

Vote ntn

[ntndeacon]

great with you and Bug voting me one or two of the not clear villians will latch on now.

[Chubby]

A bright light flashes again and blinds you. When your vision returns you feel slightly different as if something has changed. Has someone used the cube yet again? If so, who and for what ends?

This flash seems super bright this time and is lasting for a long time. Everyone is temporaliy blinded!

[ntndeacon]

let me spell this out clearer...

I voted for Bug because I had the Cube and picked a duking power as a part of my cube experience. I was also responsible for Danny's reemergence as a player. I am good. the first couple of days I was voting with the evil folks for protective cover. as we were in not very good shape.

[Chubby]

As the flash FINALLY subsides, you notice two things:

1) ntndeacon has keeled over, dead as a doornail...

[Chubby]

... and
2) The Cube appears to be... hatching?????

Another loud boom and flash of light occurs as the cube hovers in the air cracking.

Before you stands Kubik.

CrimsonFox has joined the game.

[Chubby]

ntndeacon was Wolverine

[MrBug708]

Well...that sucked

[MrBug708]

Timing couldnt have been worse

[ntndeacon]

well snickt!

[MrBug708]

No idea what to do now

Unvote - ntndeacon

vote sndvls

[MrBug708]

I would have bought a wolverine in the game too :(

[MrBug708]

With my vote to sndvls though, I'm curious as to why pick ntn as the death? Makes me think that the easy switch would be to sndvls

[MrBug708]

unvote sndvls

Unsure at this point

[mauchow]

it's either zinto or sndvls.

[SnDvls]

ntndeacon was Wolverine

sucks :(

I've been looking at people each day and everyone I look at ends up dead the next day.

[MrBug708]

it's either zinto or sndvls.

People revealing their roles right now would help immensely

[mauchow]

I'd actually consider going CF, too. With the revival of Danny - I wouldn't be surprised if this is a benefit for the evil this time around.

I also wonder if the Cube is finished then...

[SnDvls]

since Kubik and alter time and reality....I just as him to alter it in my favor is all

[Chubby]

People revealing their roles right now would help immensely

"Oh would it now?" - General Ross

[SnDvls]

ooops not and....can alter

[SnDvls]

"Oh would it now?" - General Ross

sounds like you are up MrBug

[MrBug708]

sounds like you are up MrBug

My character has already been revealed

[SnDvls]

My character has already been revealed

who? Iron Man? I thought you said you weren't him? now I'm really confused. :confused: :(

[MrBug708]

who? Iron Man? I thought you said you weren't him? now I'm really confused. :confused: :(

Hoops accused me of being him and voted for me the next day, once Danny and the Jackal were gone.

[SnDvls]

Hoops accused me of being him and voted for me the next day, once Danny and the Jackal were gone.

so you are confirming you are Iron Man??? that makes no sense

[MrBug708]

Unvote hoops
Vote bug

Good thing I didn't put in that order on SnDvls, huh?

Almost missed the time doing kid baths now. That was close

Good thing the general is around to see this huh?

F it

Vote sndvls

[Zinto]

Yeah my bad ntn :(.

unvote ntn

[Zinto]

Well my last name starts with a P. Maybe even my first name.

[MrBug708]

Hi Pepper Pots!

[Zinto]

So once again voting for me would be a poor move. I am almost sure that we should vote out Narcizo so that if we do muck up the lynch we will still have numbers.

[Zinto]

Hi Pepper Pots!


:)

[MrBug708]

So once again voting for me would be a poor move. I am almost sure that we should vote out Narcizo so that if we do muck up the lynch we will still have numbers.

While I understand that line of thinking, I would just go and say that I would not, at least not yet. Maybe after this vote

[Zinto]

The problem with waiting till after this vote is if we miss it is back to two and two and whatever Crimson is. When we had numbers it was fine to not kill Narcizo. Then again he maybe a hero and this conversation could all be for not.

[MrBug708]

As I said, I'd prefer to wait on Narcizo. He had chances to join the villain side and did his best to remain neutral.

Barring new information that I cant imagine will come out, Im not going to vote for him.

[Zinto]

I guess my understanding of what has happened up until this point is not great. I thought the assumption was that Narcizo is bad.

[Zinto]

I hate how this game has turned out for me since I am completely lost and I do not know about anyone. I want to know what SnDvLs is thinking about everyone in the game right now.

[MrBug708]

Is the argument for sndvls being good anything?

[Zinto]

Well from my memory of the game is that he was not on you until the last minute when the "lines where being drawn". Why not if you are a hero not try to buy some trust by switching. I most likely would have done the same if I had been around at deadline.

[Zinto]

5 - MrBug - jeheinz (516), Autumn (525), Narcizo (528), ntndeacon (545), hoops (550)
5 - hoopsguy - mrbug (532), bhlloy (535), SnDvls (540), Zinto (542), mauboy (555)


I guess at this point I wonder why Mau has gotten a pass so far. He had a late vote on Hoops where unless there is a switch does us no good. What is the case for mau being good?

[Zinto]

Also after sndvls switches Hoops says that he is glad he made a change to the order he sent in. While that could be good baddie banter(wouldn't doubt it coming from Hoops) it just stands out to me.

[Zinto]

I am fine with sndvls being the choice of today but I am concerned about the tunnel vision on him.

[MrBug708]

We'll see what happens..hoping for the best!

[mauchow]

zinto is evil, don't listen to him

[MrBug708]

Oh?

[mauchow]

he's acting desperate right now imo

[Chubby]

3 - SnDvls: Narcizo (761), mauboy (764), MrBug (798)
1 - Narcizo: SnDvls (769)

Yet to vote zinto, CrimsonFox

[CrimsonFox]

*yawn* How curious. Everyone is already dead when I awake. *sniff*
Where is everyone?

[MrBug708]

he's acting desperate right now imo

By defending sndvls?

[Zinto]

I am not sure how discussing the possibilities of how others could be evil is being desperate. I just don't understand why you have gotten a pass while others such as sndvls is not getting the same pass.

[mauchow]

Because I'm AWESOME!

[MrBug708]

Class is making this difficult to monitor

[Zinto]

Unless you are the third PM partner between Danny and Jackal(I am pretty sure Danny said there where three people with PM rights and I am pretty sure a third has not come out) then you definitely should be looked at.

[mauchow]

I'm on the good side, no worries.

[Zinto]

Also yesterday you tried at the deadline to move people off heinz and onto me(I know I am a hero) or sndvls(if he is a hero then you look really bad in my mind).

[MrBug708]

I'm on the good side, no worries.

Are you the third PM person?

[mauchow]

No, I am not, bug.

[Chubby]

3 - SnDvls: Narcizo (761), mauboy (764), MrBug (798)
1 - Narcizo: SnDvls (769)

Yet to vote zinto, CrimsonFox

[Zinto]

Well then this is just a formality I guess I will put the vote down.

Vote sndvls

[Chubby]

4 - SnDvls: Narcizo (761), mauboy (764), MrBug (798), zinto (830)
1 - Narcizo: SnDvls (769)

Yet to vote: CrimsonFox

[MrBug708]

No, I am not, bug.

Shame. It would answer a lot of questions on the third person

[MrBug708]

Er...if they came forward

[mauchow]

Also yesterday you tried at the deadline to move people off heinz and onto me(I know I am a hero) or sndvls(if he is a hero then you look really bad in my mind).
I wanted to control the voting at the end - I wanted to make sure it was staying on people that I truly thought were wolves. I didn't want it going off-course on players that I believe to be good.

I've been pretty spot-on with my feelings this game so far.

[mauchow]

Having P for your initials doesn't mean anything. You could be the dark side of PP.

[mauchow]

If that's who you insinuate you are.

[MrBug708]

The truth is

[MrBug708]

I am Iron Man

[CrimsonFox]

buhhhhh nuhhhhh nuh nat nat

neenorneenor nooo nuht nuh nat nat

[MrBug708]

I know that it's confusing. It is one thing to question the official story, and another thing entirely to make wild accusations, or insinuate that I'm a superhero.

[Chubby]

I am Iron Man

"Get him!" - General Ross

[MrBug708]

Well, good, because that would be outlandish and, uh, fantastic. I'm just not the hero type. Clearly. With this laundry list of character defects, all the mistakes I've made, largely public.

[MrBug708]

"Get him!" - General Ross

Bring it!

[Chubby]

Bring it!

votes against MrBug now count for double.

[Zinto]

Having P for your initials doesn't mean anything. You could be the dark side of PP.


I am willing to fully reveal if it comes to that tomorrow.

[CrimsonFox]

Kubik does not know what to make of this. People have superpowers and this redneck shoots drugs into them when they say who they are? And then they vote for each other...hm....for president? Is Sndvls the next president and is bug stuffing the ballot box?

[MrBug708]

votes against MrBug now count for double.

:(

[mauchow]

votes against MrBug now count for double.

For the rest of the day or the rest of this game?

[Chubby]

For the rest of the day or the rest of this game?

:popcorn:

[SnDvls]

invite marc
Vote mrbug

Attempt at self preservation

[CrimsonFox]

over for tea?

[Chubby]

timecheck

[SnDvls]

Sorry typing from phone

unvote narc
vote mrbug

[MrBug708]

invite marc
Vote mrbug

Attempt at self preservation

I feel confident now

[CrimsonFox]

I accept your invitation Sndvls. Pity your revision came too late.

[Chubby]

4 - SnDvls: Narcizo (761), mauboy (764), MrBug (798), zinto (830)
1 - MrBug: SnDvls (850)

No vote: CrimsonFox

[mauchow]

I wonder if sndvls is cyclops.

[MrBug708]

Is there a Cyclops?

[CrimsonFox]

he'd be nonclops. he's got no i's in his name. wakka wakka.

[Chubby]

A busy day today as there is some discussion, an apparent coming out party for Iron Man and the birth of... Kubik?

The battle is short and possibly sweet. SnDvls is dead.

SnDvls was MODOK. PMs have been sent.

Night 6 ends Friday 4am EST.

[MrBug708]

:rimshot

[MrBug708]

Woooo!

[MrBug708]

No cube actions? Does that mean it's gone?

[mauchow]

Ready to die next Zinto?

[mauchow]

The only other person I may look at is CF. Just a strange time to enter the game and much like Danny - there has to be a benefit like that for the Evil side I would think. I may actually look at CF before you Zinto, so don't worry yet.

[MrBug708]

Ready to die next Zinto?

Why so confident?

[mauchow]

By lynch that is.

[mauchow]

I guess that will be it from me tonight - see everyone tomorrow - I will be off and on as I will be on vacation! WOOWOO! I'll be flying out early at 9 am and then in and out of flights then in a 4-5 hour car ride after 5 so I should be able to contribute then as long as I'm not forced to drive, which I very well may be come to think of it. Grrr..

[CrimsonFox]

I agree. A very strange time to enter the game :( :banghead:

[Narcizo]

Game not over? Seems like Crimson is our man then.

Of course, were I any of you I'd be voting me but hopefully someone will clear me today. (there's only seven starting evil characters accounted for, even if we assume Sub-Mariner was bad, which I think is pretty safe to do at this stage). I don't understand the doubt about Zinto to be honest. Rather than SnDvls? Really? Now if we kill Crimson and the game still isn't over then we'd have to look at Zinto. Or anyone else for that matter.

I presume Bug was in contact with Danny and Jackal - Capt America, Thor and Iron Man would be the obvious choice for PM buddies.

[Narcizo]

Oh and sorry about disappearing yesterday - had no internet connection at home.

[Chubby]

You awake expecting to see the same thing as you've seen every other morning, everyone accounted for.

Except you are wrong. Mauboy1 is missing so you rush to his house only to findit laying in a pool of his own blood, dead.

Mauboy was Quicksilver

Day 7 ends Friday 9pm EST

[CrimsonFox]

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I am not “your man” nor any other label you want to put on me. And since it was funny the first time when Danny did it:[/FONT]
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[B][FONT=&quot]Vote Narcizo[/FONT][/B][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

[Narcizo]

Well there went one of my vouchees, although not the one who actually counts (I hope). Don't see any point holding onto information now. I was mau's PM buddy - which should reveal my identity. I'm pretty certain he started good although I don't know for certain. Lots of stuff he said hinted that he was good combined with his in-thread actions make me think he was good. I was actually close to giving myself away in my first PM when I presumed he was evil but luckily I said that we would have to come up with a "good" alias. I meant an alias that would make us look good but it can be read to mean an effective alias. Bless the English language.

We were given the opportunity to kill Magneto for a minor victory (presumably a consequence of Chief screwing up his Cube power) and I wasn't even 100% sure that Magneto was bad. (I mean I would never have guessed that my character would be good in this game). So sorry about that Chief.

I, on the other hand, was bad until Wednesday 17:01. Hoops had an ability to kill someone who was good but only injure them if they evil. Like an idiot I didn't realise that that was what he'd done so I felt that I had to signal him (I didn't know who it was) that I was evil. Then I realised that I'd given myself away as a baddy so I made up the whole "controlled" business. Anyway it's pretty clear from my votes that they were evil in intent until yesterday after I had become good and, consequently, voted SnDvls.

I think I know who converted me (it's quite clear that Bug was trying to steer votes off of me around the time of my conversion). I doubt it was mau as he would have contacted me afterwards - I hope. Presuming that it was Bug then Zinto has to, basically, make up his mind. I think there might have been a game mechanic that only allowed certain people to be converted - tweeners like QuickSilver, Sub-Mariner, Hulk and myself. If Bug could be converted then it would have given a huge advantage to the other side, as he would know the identities of two good guys. But we don't know that, maybe anyone could have been converted.

So unfortunately it's perfectly possible that I converted Bug instead, and he and I are baddies together. Not much we can do about that really. There's absolutely no way to prove my version of the story over the version that sees us being baddies together. Possibly the timing of the conversion except I could probably have asked Chubby to make the conversion at that time. Killing me isn't even going to help because all you'll learn is that I was telling the truth about my identity - doesn't prove that I was converted. And if my guess is true and Crimson has normal night kill abilities and the Cube has disappeared then it won't matter because lynching me will result in a loss for the good guys.

I guess I should have made more of an effort to vote before Crimson but, quite frankly, I forgot.

[Narcizo]

Vote Crimson

He turns up and suddenly there's a normal kill made at the end of the night phase.

I think we know everyone's identities now. If Zinto started off as a baddie and maked the kill on Telle with the webs then I'm impressed. No resrespect Zinto but I think Crimson is the more likely villain at the moment.

[Narcizo]

"resrespect" :)

[Narcizo]

Trying to work out if Zinto could be a baddy. Not that it matters if he is - he'll just stick his vote with Crimson because of the timing thing and we should be sunk. But it's pretty clear that he's a friendly neighbourhood kinda guy. Somebody came up with the possibility that he was the evil alter-ego or some such but that just seems like too much of a stretch. His voting has been right in line with what you would expect from a hero so I have no difficulty buying that he started as good. No reason for him to waste a Cube on killing a baddy at a crucial time to buy trust either. So yeah, I'm pretty sure he must have been good up to that stage. I guess he could have been converted after that but there's absolutely no way of telling whether that's the case or not. If I'm wrong about Bug being the one to convert me then it's clear that he would also have to be converted if he is evil now. So, honestly, that only leaves me and Crimson as the people preventing the game being over, barring a conversion that we can't possibly account for.

So, long story short, I think it has to be Crimson who needs taking out.

[mauchow]

Oh what the fark..

[Narcizo]

"maked" wtf?

[MrBug708]

Looking at the research, it looks like Narcizo is Wanda?

Yes, I did convert Narcizo with the one time I had the Cube

Vote Crimson Fox

With four people left, there can only be one baddie right? Or did I miss the rules where one faction has to be eliminated?

[MrBug708]

Oh and I might as well confirm that I had PM powers with two of the three Avengers, the Hulk being one we did not know about

[MrBug708]

Ah, one side has to be eliminated

[MrBug708]

And lastly, is teh cube still around?

[Narcizo]

I think the Cube was converted into Kubik.

[Zinto]

Well I will vote for Crimson also. Unless Bug's conversion did not work, Narcizo got reconverted, or Bug got converted then he is the only thing keeping the game going.

Vote Crimson

[CrimsonFox]

Killing me won't help you. I'm not on the side of bad. (actually I had 6 sides and none of them were villains). You greedy humans stealing all my powers. That's the villainy.

[CrimsonFox]

And what do you mean I show up and there's a kill at night. Sorry to disappoint you but there have been night kills before. I have no more impact or knowledge of what is going on than you guys.

[MrBug708]

I only was able to use the Cube once :(

[Narcizo]

And what do you mean I show up and there's a kill at night. Sorry to disappoint you but there have been night kills before. I have no more impact or knowledge of what is going on than you guys.

Out of interest what is your purpose in the game, then? I presume you must have a victory condition. What is it?

[Narcizo]

I only was able to use the Cube once :(

Me too. I killed Danny the first time. Wish I'd thought of converting Mau.

[Narcizo]

Out of interest what is your purpose in the game, then? I presume you must have a victory condition. What is it?

That will have to be a rhetorical question as I'm going to bed now.

[CrimsonFox]

To give out powers to you guys apparently.

[CrimsonFox]

It's funny how the three of you are voting for me when I am neutral. One or more of you is on one side. And one or more of you is on the other.

[MrBug708]

So do you win one one side wins? Irrelevant to the game?

[MrBug708]

the first one should read when*

[MrBug708]

The more I think of this, the more CF is a bad vote as I cant imagine he's on any side.

[MrBug708]

No comments CF?

[CrimsonFox]

So do you win one one side wins? Irrelevant to the game?

I don't affect winning conditions of either side so I guess irrelevent.

[MrBug708]

With a chance to save the cube

unvote CF

vote Narizco

[Chubby]

2-2

[MrBug708]

Does saving CF save teh cube? Or does killing him save the cube?

[Zinto]

I am probably not going to move my vote at this point. I am a little intoxicated and there is not enough time for me to go back and reread everything you and narcizo have said to make a hopefully informed decision.

[Danny]

I am probably not going to move my vote at this point. I am a little intoxicated and there is not enough time for me to go back and reread everything you and narcizo have said to make a hopefully informed decision.

I have read your post and it is much too coherent, so...

Vote Zinto becomes more intoxicated

[Autumn]

Danny edited. Please remove him from this game.

[Chubby]

Danny edited. Please remove him from this game.

again?

[Chubby]

Central Park is looking might sparse. Only a few people are left to show up for the big event. At the last minute MrBug decides Narcizo is the one who must die tonight! Surely that will put an end to this all!

Narcizo is dead. Narcizo was the Scarlet Witch.

[MrBug708]

Ok...?

[Chubby]

Spiderman looks at his former ally Iron Man and says "You've doomed us all!!!"

With that Kubik gets a crazed look on his face. He sees that this is the opportunity he has seemingly been waiting for. Have they doomed themselves through their own lust for power?

[Chubby]

With evil in Iron Man on one side, good in Spiderman on the other; Kubik lashes out with a torrent energy completely wiping both of them out. They simply weren't strong enough without teammates to handle Kubik's attack.

Kubik wins major victory!
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver win minor victory!

The game is over

[Chubby]

YAY i don't have to post in red anymore to explain things :)

[CrimsonFox]

*destroys General Ross too*

[MrBug708]

So why did Narizco die?

[MrBug708]

And F you to whoever converted me

[Chubby]

Sides were even 8-8 with Kubik as neutral. Kubik would be born when there were no more players alive who had yet to use the Cube. Kubik would have at his disposal all of the powers he had granted to the players alive at the time of his birth. He won if he achieved 1-1 good-evil in addition to himself.

When Kubik was born it was 4-1 good.

The order of who got the cube and when was predetermined. It alternated between good and evil starting with the Red Skull and then Captain America.

Starting day 2 (i think) there was additional kills available once per day. These alternated between sides.

The Cube was able to be used up to twice per cycle (to keep it fair)

I know hoops was kinda mad when he was duked and Danny revived. This was the hardest call I had to make all game. A bunch of people had asked to speak or know everyone on their side which was an easy NO. I allowed ntndeacon's move as I viewed it essentially as a conversion (at which point none had been attempted but I knew I would allow them, 2 would happen later).

Any questions? Fire away! I hope it was at least fun!

[Chubby]

So why did Narizco die?

tie breaker, earliest vote

[CrimsonFox]

I converted you of course. Every time someone used the cube, I gained a power. I presume the same power you guys got. And actually Bug I was rooting for you to win it even if you voted me out. Not sure what Zinto would have done the next day.

[Chubby]

And F you to whoever converted me

CrimsonFox :D

[Chubby]

I converted you of course. Every time someone used the cube, I gained a power. I presume the same power you guys got. And actually Bug I was rooting for you to win it even if you voted me out. Not sure what Zinto would have done the next day.

Yes. Tho he was only able to use it if that player was alive at the time of his death.

[CrimsonFox]

tie breaker, earliest vote

which is why I sat at my computer for two hours last night waiting for Chubby.

[MrBug708]

I converted you of course. Every time someone used the cube, I gained a power. I presume the same power you guys got. And actually Bug I was rooting for you to win it even if you voted me out. Not sure what Zinto would have done the next day.

I think Zinto would have turned on me. Once I was converted, I had my votes on Sndvls. I didn't think I had enough pull to get people off of Sndvls and it would have looked too suspicious.

I also came THIS close to switching my vote back to CF, but new if that would have happened I would also be suspicious. I wrote it out twice and hoped Zinto would just follow me

That every vote for Bug really F'ed with my head because I knew in a 1-1 situation, I was a dead man

[Autumn]

Wait, so how many conversions were there? And when did they happen?

[CrimsonFox]

Yes. Tho he was only able to use it if that player was alive at the time of his death.

Cubby was updating me every time I gained a power and I was absolutely DROOLING at what I had....but also knew it would take forever to get in the game. That's the only part I disliked :(

And by the time I DID get in the game I lost most of the powers I had. Only had 1 NK per night, 1 conversion , and 1 scan of allegiance per day phase.

[MrBug708]

Chubby - What were all of the powers that were requested? Mostly Duke/Kills?

[MrBug708]

Cubby was updating me every time I gained a power and I was absolutely DROOLING at what I had....but also knew it would take forever to get in the game. That's the only part I disliked :(

And by the time I DID get in the game I lost most of the powers I had. Only had 1 NK per night, 1 conversion , and 1 scan of allegiance per day phase.

I noticed you a lot in the thread but figured you were just bored!:(

[CrimsonFox]

I think Zinto would have turned on me. Once I was converted, I had my votes on Sndvls. I didn't think I had enough pull to get people off of Sndvls and it would have looked too suspicious.

I also came THIS close to switching my vote back to CF, but new if that would have happened I would also be suspicious. I wrote it out twice and hoped Zinto would just follow me

That every vote for Bug really F'ed with my head because I knew in a 1-1 situation, I was a dead man

I was indeed HOPING you would realize that voting with me was your only chance of survival or at least think that. and I saw you logged in...and totally expected you to change your vote back. I could just feel you waiting til the last second. I've been there so many times before. The only other thing that would have screwed me is if Narcizo woke up and both he and Zinto voted for you. Cause if Zinto swiutched to you I still would have had the tie vote on my side.

Question, why in the world did you reveal, Bug?

[Chubby]

Cube uses:

Red Skull/Autumn - scans as whatever side the seer is
Captain America/Danny - can not be normal NK'd
Magneto/Chief Rum - can learn allegiance of 1 player per day & night cycle
Professor Xavier/bhlloy - can learn allegiance of 1 player each night phase
Submariner/mckerney - died before he got the cube
Hulk/Darth Vilus - died before he got the cube
MODOK/SnDvls - can learn allegiance of 1 player each day phase
Thor/The Jackal - can not be normal NK'd + 50% chance of killing attacker
Scarlet Witch/Narcizo - kill Danny
Wolverine/ntndeacon - duke lynch onto hoops & revive Danny
Apocolypse/hoopsguy - kill bhlloy @ 8:59pm EST
Quicksilver/mauboy - kill Autumn
Doctor Doom/Telle - died before she got the cube
Ironman/MrBug - convert narcizo
Kang/jeheinz - died before he got the cube
Spiderman/zinto - kill ntndeacon

If zinto had not used the cube until after the lynch OR had used it to kill SnDvls good would have won

[MrBug708]

I was indeed HOPING you would realize that voting with me was your only chance of survival or at least think that. and I saw you logged in...and totally expected you to change your vote back. I could just feel you waiting til the last second. I've been there so many times before. The only other thing that would have screwed me is if Narcizo woke up and both he and Zinto voted for you. Cause if Zinto swiutched to you I still would have had the tie vote on my side.

Question, why in the world did you reveal, Bug?

Reveal what?

[CrimsonFox]

Chubby - What were all of the powers that were requested? Mostly Duke/Kills?

I'll field that one. SCANS!

At the most point I had a nightkill (given initially), a duking, a conversion, and TWO scans per day cycle and 2 at night! everyone wanted scans.

I converted bug and scanned mauboy the same day sndvls was lynched.

I killed mauboy with my NK (boy that felt good for all the times he's killed me :) )

[Chubby]

I think Zinto would have turned on me. Once I was converted, I had my votes on Sndvls. I didn't think I had enough pull to get people off of Sndvls and it would have looked too suspicious.

I also came THIS close to switching my vote back to CF, but new if that would have happened I would also be suspicious. I wrote it out twice and hoped Zinto would just follow me

That every vote for Bug really F'ed with my head because I knew in a 1-1 situation, I was a dead man

I had to have something to keep people from revealing characters so if they had powers or hadn't used the cube yet they'd lose all their powers/ability to get powers from the cube. In the case like yours where there's nothing to lose, votes counted double rest of the game.

[CrimsonFox]

Reveal what?

I AM IRON MAN!

[Chubby]

I noticed you a lot in the thread but figured you were just bored!:(

I asked him before the game started if he wanted to be the secret character. I was going to try and grab somebody last second but figured he would be a good choice with delaying his own game. I had asked him to post about not being able to play at the beginning so it'd be a surprise :)

[MrBug708]

I'll field that one. SCANS!

At the most point I had a nightkill (given initially), a duking, a conversion, and TWO scans per day cycle and 2 at night! everyone wanted scans.

I converted bug and scanned mauboy the same day sndvls was lynched.

I killed mauboy with my NK (boy that felt good for all the times he's killed me :) )

My initial claim was for PM powers with the remaining heroes but I stepped back and did the convert power. I almost asked if I could destroy the cube, but figured that was going to backfire

[CrimsonFox]

*cough* you guys used the cube to kill people?!?!? No wonder there was no one left by the time I entered! THAT'S what you meant Chubby. I get it.

[MrBug708]

I AM IRON MAN!

At that point I didn't think it was much of a secret. Hoops mentioned my character and I never denied it.

I hafta admit, I thought I was a dead man when I got saved from the lynch. I was bluffing my way through thinking once I go, that was it for the heroes

[Chubby]

General Ross was merely a storytelling way to forseshadow punishment for revealing. I DID warn about it via the FBI news conference longbefore The Jackal revealed too

[MrBug708]

Oh and that was straight from the movie quote

[Chubby]

ahh good/evil list coming up...

[Autumn]

wait, so why did Chief Rum die? Did some players have powers beyond the Cube powers?

For those who were good, Telle, Sndvls and I were one evil group. We didn't know who else was evil and we had no powers outside of what we got from the Cube.

[MrBug708]

It was a fun game, I had visions of actually winning it for my team and then CF had to go and convert me :(

I was so pissed at Chubby when he told me

[Chubby]

Good:
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor

these 3 could PM each other

Quicksilver (could PM Scarlet Witch)

Hulk
Professor Xavier
Spiderman
Wolverine

[Chubby]

wait, so why did Chief Rum die? Did some players have powers beyond the Cube powers?

For those who were good, Telle, Sndvls and I were one evil group. We didn't know who else was evil and we had no powers outside of what we got from the Cube.

The 1st additional kill choice was given to Quicksilver (good) and Scarlet Witch (evil). They needed to agree to kill Magneto (they did not know who he was) and would achieve a minor victory.

I didn't think they'd so readily do it :)

[CrimsonFox]

*cough* SPIderman killed WOlverine? LOL

A Stan Lee Special Edition!

[Chubby]

Evil:
Red Skull
Doctor Doom
MODOK

these 3 could PM each other

Scarlet Witch (could pm Quicksilver)

Submariner
Magneto
Kang
Apocolypse

[CrimsonFox]

It was a fun game, I had visions of actually winning it for my team and then CF had to go and convert me :(

I was so pissed at Chubby when he told me

which is why I picked you actually. YOu were the most good at that point I think. Was hoping it wasn't TOO obvious but then realized no one knew about the conversions.

[Chubby]

wait, so why did Chief Rum die? Did some players have powers beyond the Cube powers?

For those who were good, Telle, Sndvls and I were one evil group. We didn't know who else was evil and we had no powers outside of what we got from the Cube.

no players started with powers, everything was granted by the cube. I wanted a game that was more open ended so all powers were determined by the users.

I have gotten frustrated with some of cookie cutter metagaming (which I freely admit to engaging in myself) and wanted to do a non-traditional game.

[Chubby]

which is why I picked you actually. YOu were the most good at that point I think. Was hoping it wasn't TOO obvious but then realized no one knew about the conversions.

The best part to me was that after i told bug he was converted he PMs me "i hate you" then CF PMs me realizing it's 4-1 good at that point and says he hates me too :D

[CrimsonFox]

yeah when i entered the game and learned there was 4-1 good-evil so I knew there had to be a conversion at that point. Either that or Hulk was evil or something. I don't know comic books so I was going by what you guys said in the game to keep track of how many were left but at that point I realized I had to scan to find out as I didn't know the last evil person.

[Chubby]

and CF was pretty bummed that the person with duke power was dead so he lost that too

[MrBug708]

which is why I picked you actually. YOu were the most good at that point I think. Was hoping it wasn't TOO obvious but then realized no one knew about the conversions.

Ya...I only thought about conversions because I saw someone briefly mention it.

I wondered how I was converted and yet the cube wasn't being passed around. I should have known that it was you at that point.

Had the cube still been in the game and I got it back, I would have switched my allegiances back to the side of good, that's how mad I was

[Chubby]

It was interesting early with the "tweener" characters getting lynched and people wondering about who was leading.

I picked some characters who could be seen as both good/evil on purpose.

When everyone thought evil was leading early, good was actually winning

[Autumn]

I certainly didn't consider conversions at any point when I was playing. With even teams and no real seers that feels a bit heavy for either side to deal with.

I'm a bit surprised that you didn't allow powers like "find out who is on my side", but you did allow a duke+resurrection? Swaying the teams by 2 people seems just as powerful as finding out what the teams are.

And why did some people get a scan once a day power and some got a scan twice a day? Was it just based on how they worded their request.

I obviously whiffed on my Cube use. I figured there must be, or would eventually be seer types, but once we got a couple days in it was clear there wasn't going to be anything like that going on really.

I have to think Kubik winning was a given. By the time he got into the game the numbers were going to be low, but with all the powers he had, he would easily overpower the others.

This was fun, and I definitely like the idea of no set powers to begin the game. Not knowing our teams made choosing powers really difficult, but I suppose it got easier as the game went along. I liked not having allegiance revealed necessarily, leaving some wiggle room, as well as the no-reveal policy.

[Chubby]

I certainly didn't consider conversions at any point when I was playing. With even teams and no real seers that feels a bit heavy for either side to deal with.

I'm a bit surprised that you didn't allow powers like "find out who is on my side", but you did allow a duke+resurrection? Swaying the teams by 2 people seems just as powerful as finding out what the teams are.

And why did some people get a scan once a day power and some got a scan twice a day? Was it just based on how they worded their request.

I obviously whiffed on my Cube use. I figured there must be, or would eventually be seer types, but once we got a couple days in it was clear there wasn't going to be anything like that going on really.

I have to think Kubik winning was a given. By the time he got into the game the numbers were going to be low, but with all the powers he had, he would easily overpower the others.

This was fun, and I definitely like the idea of no set powers to begin the game. Not knowing our teams made choosing powers really difficult, but I suppose it got easier as the game went along. I liked not having allegiance revealed necessarily, leaving some wiggle room, as well as the no-reveal policy.

As for why on how often people got scans, yes it was because that was how they worded their request.

I can def see your side on not allowing to find out all players on their side vs duke&resurrection, I just thought that it would be way too strong cconsidering everyone could pick their power.

I had decided that if i would allow conversion early in the game (which I would have) then I would have to allow it late game as well.

I honestly thought good had it in the bag and that Kubik was never going to be born. Once he was I thought it was going to be challenging but not impossible, I figured after the 1st NK he'd be the target (he was) but he got Bug to switch :)

[Chubby]

also,i viewed duke&resurrection as same as conversion. one side losing a player, the other side gaining a player. In ntn's case it just wasn't the same person that was going bad to good, it was different people

[Autumn]

That's true, about conversion vs. resurrection. I also want to say the most fun I've had in a while in WW was day one when I started with the Cube, trying to figure out what to do with limitless power. I had a long list of ideas, trying to think outside of the box, but make it something plausible. At that point I didn't really suspect everyone in the game would get a whack at it, so I was thinking bigger than I probably should have. But that was a lot of fun.

[bhlloy]

Funny thing was I had a NK order on Magneto (not knowing it was CR) the day he got killed but I guess other people got to it first. I wondered why I still had the cube after that and there was no flash. I guess I should have read more into it.

Out of interest Chubby, would I have been allowed to kill a character not knowing who he was? Or would I have had to identify CR first?

[Danny]

I completely whiffed on my cube use. I got the ability to block night kills and identify my attacker. Had no use for me

[Zinto]

Alright time to ytell everyone what was going through my mind. I would have definitly voted for Bug tomorrow if it got down to me narcizo and him since clearly I was m ore suspicious of narcizo then anyone else so it wouldnt make sense to reconvert him. Also the end of the sndvls where bug refused to consider anyone else but him made me suspicious.

[Zinto]

I killed Telle since I feared that hoops would be randomly protected. Also I debated on holding on to the cube till the end of the game but I got another PM about the cube being "anxious" so I decided to use it since I did not want to be killed.

[CrimsonFox]

Yes. Tho he was only able to use it if that player was alive at the time of his birth.

fixed

[CrimsonFox]

I noticed you a lot in the thread but figured you were just bored!:(

That's cause I was.

[CrimsonFox]

Alright time to ytell everyone what was going through my mind. I would have definitly voted for Bug tomorrow if it got down to me narcizo and him since clearly I was m ore suspicious of narcizo then anyone else so it wouldnt make sense to reconvert him. Also the end of the sndvls where bug refused to consider anyone else but him made me suspicious.

Other than being drunk? :)

I want to play a game called "Drunk Zinto"

[CrimsonFox]

I asked him before the game started if he wanted to be the secret character. I was going to try and grab somebody last second but figured he would be a good choice with delaying his own game. I had asked him to post about not being able to play at the beginning so it'd be a surprise :)

Note to self. When someone asks you to play a hidden secret character that doesn't enter the game right away, say no. But at that point I kind of had to do it since I KNEW it was a secret character in the game. :)

[Narcizo]

*cough* you guys used the cube to kill people?!?!? No wonder there was no one left by the time I entered! THAT'S what you meant Chubby. I get it.

When I used it it looked like the bad guys had a slight but significant advantage. I didn't want to suffer the same fate as Chief so it seemed like the best use was to get rid of another good character to give evil more of a lead. Once we were down in a hole I wanted the cube to try and convert mau - I even advised him to kill Autumn rather than Heinz to try and get the cube afterwards and to make Danny's vote invalid.

Took the kill on Magneto because, like I said, I couldn't be sure of his allegiance (given my own character and allegiance) so it was a simple minor victory to take. A benefit was that mau tipped me off that he was good when discussing whether to kill him. I used that to survive the vote between Jackal and me.

Interesting game as a one-off. I didn't like how the rules made discussion a bad play and it was difficult to decide where to draw the line on picking a power but still.

[CrimsonFox]

I definitely thought I"d had it when you (Narcizo) and Bug revealed about the conversion. I thought secrecy was my best ally. All this revealing and that revealing. That always makes things tough. Cause I figured everyone had their doubts about you. But with Bug converting you to good, that was two people who knew it and with Zinto not moving... oi. THe only thing I suppose it was the fact that I was obviously neutral or at least that was an easy enough point to push on you guys.

[mauchow]

I was on the good side! Good game.

[Chubby]

Funny thing was I had a NK order on Magneto (not knowing it was CR) the day he got killed but I guess other people got to it first. I wondered why I still had the cube after that and there was no flash. I guess I should have read more into it.

Out of interest Chubby, would I have been allowed to kill a character not knowing who he was? Or would I have had to identify CR first?

You would have had to have names a player i.e. Chief Rum and not a character since you didn't "know" who Magneto was.

[Chubby]

yeah i didn't intend for the rules to encourage not a lot of discussion, that's totally my fault

[hoopsguy]

also,i viewed duke&resurrection as same as conversion. one side losing a player, the other side gaining a player. In ntn's case it just wasn't the same person that was going bad to good, it was different people

How is that remotely the case? The duking saves a good guy and kills a bad guy, while the resurrection brings back a cleared good guy.

I had hoped the explanation was going to be something along the lines of two separate Cube uses, which you merged into one write-up to build drama. But having that as a single Cube use is just so broken compared to everything else on the list.

I'm very, very disappointed that you allowed that as a single use, as it massively swung the game at that point.
- If I was duked, evil still had a 1:1 trade (my kill via Cube being the one for our side).
- If there was a resurrection, it was a 2:1 trade (my kill + lynch, versus known good being restored). Which seems fair because both sides used the Cube to get something, and evil had controlled the vote that day.
- But the way it went, both sides used the Cube to get something, evil controlled the vote, but had to deal with essentially a 1:1 trade and now deal with a cleared player being brought back after a day where they controlled the vote. Broken.

[SnDvls]

How is that remotely the case? The duking saves a good guy and kills a bad guy, while the resurrection brings back a cleared good guy.

I had hoped the explanation was going to be something along the lines of two separate Cube uses, which you merged into one write-up to build drama. But having that as a single Cube use is just so broken compared to everything else on the list.

I'm very, very disappointed that you allowed that as a single use, as it massively swung the game at that point.
- If I was duked, evil still had a 1:1 trade (my kill via Cube being the one for our side).
- If there was a resurrection, it was a 2:1 trade (my kill + lynch, versus known good being restored). Which seems fair because both sides used the Cube to get something, and evil had controlled the vote that day.
- But the way it went, both sides used the Cube to get something, evil controlled the vote, but had to deal with essentially a 1:1 trade and now deal with a cleared player being brought back after a day where they controlled the vote. Broken.

totally agree with this...it turned the game and made me have to use a night kill on Danny with the cube to eliminate a know good side player. Also still don't understand the mixup with my scans...my 1st was during a night phase, but then I couldn't get scans until day phases and only if I got them in before the lynch....something was screwy there for sure.

[Danny]

I agree with Hoops and Sndvls.

Overall, I appreciate and commend Chubby for what he tried to do with the game. I think it's better to try something unique and not necessarily succeed as much as you would like then not try at all. That said, I think the game was a big ball of randomness that turned into who happened to get the cube and kill / convert the other team the fastest. The game had too much hidden information and was set up to limit player discussion. I was the first one to come out with my side and that got me killed asap, but honestly at that point I was pretty bored with the game and wanted to do something.

Additionally, I think the determining factor for who won was completely random and luck driven. No offense to Crimson, but he really didn't do anything to deserve the win. Having him able to convert Iron Man completely undid the entirety of the game as there is no way for player's to know or really have any idea that happened beyond a complete guess.

But even if he hadn't done that and the good guys won, it would have been because of the big ball of randomness slightly favoring the good guys, not us doing anything to deserve the win.

[Chubby]

Sorry, I tried :(

[Danny]

Chubby, I think the game had a lot of interesting mechanics and I'm not sure how I could of done it better. I think there just needed to be a way to bring out more discussion and perhaps limit the power of the cube abilities a little.

[Danny]

I didn't mean to sound too harsh if I did. Games with unique mechanics like this are incredibly difficult to get just right on the first try.

[The Jackal]

Was a very interesting experiment Chubby. I'm the first to admit I really had no idea how to approach things. Hopefully it's given you some ideas in case you want to run a similar ruleset in the future.

[The Jackal]

I didn't mean to sound too harsh if I did. Games with unique mechanics like this are incredibly difficult to get just right on the first try.

Yeah .. I remember in Labyrinth when I let the three velociraptors PM with each other, completely disregarding the fact that they'd just reveal in the thread and create an instant COT. Stuff happens! :D

[SnDvls]

Sorry, I tried :(

I don't these are personal attacks, just constructive criticism....we all learn in these games as both players and GMs. Some things work some don't. Even things that do work you are going to have people who don't like the mechanic of it. No biggie just our thoughts is all.

Thanks for GMing my 1st game back in like a year it was fun.

[CrimsonFox]

Really liked seeing you play again Sndvls. Haven't played with you before. Well I didn't really this time but you know what I mean.

[hoopsguy]

Internet problems at hotel - meant to post this right after #968.

Anyway, vent aside I really didn't have a good feeling of how to play this game. No powers, no idea who teammates were, and operating under the assumption that most/all were under the same constraints. The strategy for the game did evolve eventually, but it sure felt purposeless early on in the game.

I'm a big fan of doing non-conventional games - I just didn't feel like I knew how to play this one for the majority of the time I was in it.

[Danny]

I think an interesting way to perhaps allow more information would have been to have 16 unique powers that the cube could be used for and when someone gets the cube they choose from an available power. After they choose, can can get passed and that power is no longer available.

[CrimsonFox]

It was kind of two different games in one. There was the main game and then after I came in it was a different game. That is somewhat interesting because I think the idea indeed was once Kubik comes in, do the heroes and villains band together or continue their battle? But I think it would have been beter if kubik entered earlier. Aside from me being bored for over a week (which I expected) I think that dynamic would have played out better if there were a different mechanic for kubik entering. LIke maybe after the 3rd day he enters with whatever powers he has absorbed up to then (so it's still a mystery for him what he will get). I do like the msytery aspect of it though and I must say it was the most lively day 1-2 I've ever seen. People seemed to be enjoying themselves with it.

[Danny]

Kubic should have entered sooner, but there also needed to be more information revealed about him. How was anyone supposed to have idea that he could convert Bug?

[Danny]

Crimson, are you ready to run your game or should we go to next on the list?

[MrBug708]

I liked the fact that you were on one side or another and being bad wasn't really a negative thing, just that you wanted your side to win. You could have called it blue v red and it would have had the same affect.

I did like Danny's idea of 16 powers and once it's take, it's not usable.

[CrimsonFox]

Crimson, are you ready to run your game or should we go to next on the list?

Kubic should have entered sooner, but there also needed to be more information revealed about him. How was anyone supposed to have idea that he could convert Bug?

Well I don't know. I had ZERO information about what you guys could do or when you did it so I think that bit was fair.

[CrimsonFox]

I only could convert bug because HE took a convert power. That's how it worked. I started with a night kill period. And I gained things when you gained things. But When I was born I only got to keep the things of the people that were still alive.
So the convert and NK were really all i had apart from one dayscan.

[Danny]

Well I don't know. I had ZERO information about what you guys could do or when you did it so I think that bit was fair.

I'm not saying it's unfair to the players or to you, but that the mechanic could have worked better.

[CrimsonFox]

I liked the fact that you were on one side or another and being bad wasn't really a negative thing, just that you wanted your side to win. You could have called it blue v red and it would have had the same affect.

I did like Danny's idea of 16 powers and once it's take, it's not usable.

Indeed. The whole even sidea DID make it a different game. LIke the powers idea except that the people choosing first will know what powers are out there if given a list so it would have to be random distribution to keep it fair.

[Danny]

I only could convert bug because HE took a convert power. That's how it worked. I started with a night kill period. And I gained things when you gained things. But When I was born I only got to keep the things of the people that were still alive.
So the convert and NK were really all i had apart from one dayscan.

Yeah, I am not saying it was unbalanced, but no one had any idea of anything. There needed to be more info available to everyone.

[CrimsonFox]

Crimson, are you ready to run your game or should we go to next on the list?

Yup I'm ready to run something. Will post a signup tonight.

[Danny]

Indeed. The whole even sidea DID make it a different game. LIke the powers idea except that the people choosing first will know what powers are out there if given a list so it would have to be random distribution to keep it fair.

I agree here, I liked the idea of two equal sides.

The GM could always reveal what power was taken (just of course not who has it).

[CrimsonFox]

Actually they already KNEW there was a conversion. Zinto was absolutely right. He knew one of 3 things happened. That Bug was converted, Narc was REconverted, or Narc was NEVER converted. And they knew about Bug's conversion. Narc and BUg confessed about the conversion. I'm surprised they didn't make the connection that the conversion came from ME. Perhaps Zinto realized that but Bug didn't. I actually assumed Bug knew everything about what happened to him and who converted him but he did not. And mauboy....yes he guessed correctly that bad things would come from me for the good side and taking me out was a good idea. I knew he would take me out or at least lead the charge...ergo I got rid of him instead of ZInto.

I do agree about more info in some cases at least in PM. I understand the need to keep things a surprise for sure. Cause perhaps no one knew what was going on at any point. But that did seem to be the reason people had fun with it. More of a challenge to figure out.

[Autumn]

I wonder what would have happened if everybody had just tried revealing their allegiance, either day one or day two (especially if the lynch had been an obvious one). I figured it would turn into a mess with people pretending to be one side or another, probably mostly good since people still were averse to side with evil. But it would have been interesting.

[CrimsonFox]

oh yeah. I never understood the QUIcksilver/Scalet WItch thing with killing CHief RUm. What was the minor victory of that? They had PM rights and all they had to do was agree to kill a third character? That's a slam dunk when given to Narcizo. :) well, anybody really.

[Narcizo]

I think I was supposed to worry about whether it was worth endangering the major victory for a minor victory. At the time though I wasn't even certain that Magneto would be bad and I didn't really want to give it away to mau that I was evil so it didn't really work out. Would have been more interesting later on in the game.

[CrimsonFox]

I imagine that conversation went something like this :)

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[CrimsonFox]

As a note, this game was actually WW CXXXVII, not WW CXXVII