Multiplayer Cap - Salary Management Question

[Abe Sargent]

Never played MP before now, so I have quick question which I am sure many think is very simple. Are players willing to move future salary into this year's salary? Can I take 2 million salary off a player next year to give it to him this year? In real life, players love this, because the money this year is much more likely to be received. How does it work in multiplayer FOF?

[Pyser]

maybe

when renegotiating, you can offer more salary in year 1 to lower the offered salary in future seasons, but its not as simple as just taking 2m off next years and bumping up this years 2m. plus you still have the signing bonus to deal with and all that

i think renegotiating in SP is the same as MP, so you can play around and figure out how best to work a system like that, though

[scorp]

I do not think you can offer a contract with a lower base salary than the year prior in the deal, so you would need to use a very low first year with bonus but bonus will split equally over the length of the deal.

depending on your starting deals length, bonus etc. you will have "double bonus" for all years duplicated in the new deal.

[MIJB#19]

Never played MP before now, so I have quick question which I am sure many think is very simple. Are players willing to move future salary into this year's salary? Can I take 2 million salary off a player next year to give it to him this year? In real life, players love this, because the money this year is much more likely to be received. How does it work in multiplayer FOF?It seems sort of random to me. I try doing this when I have the cap space now, but whilst some players take it, some seem to prefer the default back loaded contracts and refuse, even if the total value and the bonus are the same.

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah, you can't front-load a contract. You can do a flat rate contract, which will stop you from taking increased hits every year.

In a cap crunch league, the hardest part of the game is keeping the team together. You might eventually find it is better to let a player become a free agent so you can get him at a discounted price. Generally, if he is not the type of player teams covet heavily, you'll have a good shot at getting him back for way less than he wanted to reneg for. Best players to do this with are likely your quality backups and your less coveted starters.

[Autumn]

What you're talking about Abe is represented by reworking his contract to have less salary and more bonus money. They will eat that up, but like others said, they will never accept a cut in salary in future years compared to this seasons. So to do what you want you could reduce salaries and increase bonus, locking in guaranteed money, but the bonus is going to be spread out, so might not help do what you're looking for.

[aston217]

Every time I renegotiate a contract, I target keeping the bonus the same as the demand, and lowering future year salary while increasing current year salary until they have the same salary every year.

That is as 'front loaded' as you can get, and in doing it this way, I usually aim to offer about 75% of what the player's overall $$ demands are for the same length of contract.

I rarely have to go much above 80%, and can sometimes do lower than 75%. The idea is to not have backloaded contracts that bite me once the season turn comes.

[Abe Sargent]

I think some people are confused by the generalities of my question and not answering what I'm asking. So here goes:


Suppose I have someone in year one of an ongoing contract making 1 million in salary. In year 2 they are making 6 million. It's during the season, I have some cap space. I want to offer him a contract that just does this:

Year One: 1 Million, salary
Year Two: 6 Million salary,

to


Year One: 3 million salary
Year Two: 4 million salary


That's not changing the deal with regards to signing bonus or front-loading a contract, it's just moving two million salary from next year to this year. In the real life NFL people accept this all of the time, because that money is basically guaranteed, so I am converting futrue salary to current salary This happens in rl all of the time as teams massage the cap.


What is the chance that in multiplayer FOF someone will accept a contract offer that does that, and only that? Does it happen at all? Just sometimes?


Or, if players won;t accept that, what has to happen to sweeten the deal? Will a small amount of extra bonus money, say 50,000 do the trick? Or perhaps slightly more salary, such as pulling off 2 mill in the future and adding 2.1 mill this year? Or do I need to add something serious to do it?

[Pyser]

i dont think it will work because the player will be asking for a signing bonus, and that will throw everything out of whack. thats also assuming there are ONLY 2 years on the deal. if its 3 years or more i cant see it working.

but ive never tried it.

but for a hypothetical, do you mean:

current deal:
current season: $1m in salary, lets say still $1m in bonus - $2m total
next season: $6m in salary, $1m in bonus - $7m total

what you want to offer for the reneg is this i think?:
50k signing bonus
current season $3m salary ($1m signing bonus carries over) - $4m total
next season: $4m salary ($1m signing bonus carries over) - $5m total

i still doubt it works if the player is "expecting" any decent sized signing bonus. if he isnt asking for a bonus...i guess maybe it could work

play with it in SP

[Abe Sargent]

I just tried playing around with it as you suggest and it seems silly. For example, I began a game as the Dolphins and tried to negotiate with several of the players. For example, take Jake Long

His salary in the first year is 1.1 mill. So I offered to move year 2 down from 1.85 to 1.6 and him up to 1.3 this year, and tossed him a small bonus too. No dice. Alright, that's just salary.

So instead I take his future salary in year 2 and turn it into 1.1 million and turn the money into bonus. Basically a future version of the cap out button No dice. I even added 100k to the deal, so he would be getting a lil extra, but nothing. No player in the NFL would turn that down.

Then I pushed it. I converted year 2 to 1.1 mill salary and year 3 to it, and gave him 2.45 mill in bonus to make up for it, no dice, and I even added another 200k - no dice. I increase it to 3 mill in bonus and nothing. That is just silly.


I would ask that gets looked at in a future FOF.