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stretch
01-16-2014, 01:46 PM
So, how does that combine score really relate to the quality of the player drafted? I did some black box analysis of this in 2007 and I will slowly (note: slowly) be doing the same analysis for FOF7.

Methodology:
I started a league with the combine accuracy set to 100 and advanced the league through the first season to the Pre-Free Agency stage.

I will use the FOF 2004 draft file creator to create 1,000 player drafts of players at each position (QB, RB, FB, ... , S) and each quality level (625, 600, 575, ... , 375).

I will import each draft into FOF7 and see what combine scores are generated from the quality of player.

I will export the data using the built-in Data Export Utility.

The output will be brought into Excel and parsed.

I will present the raw data at the top and my observations at the bottom.

I will try to make a new post for each position as I get the data exported and analyzed.

Hopefully this data will be useful because it's a metric ton of work.

Data to follow.

Edit:

Suggestions for use:
First and foremost, let me say that this analysis is not guaranteed to produce results. It is not intended to provide absolutes. Jim has created an incredible game that has outliers who "break the mold". This was intended as black box analysis of the most accurate look at draftees that we have available.

That being said, here are some ways this data could be used:
1. Finding delineation points in draftee scores. Data tends to indicate that there is little difference in QBs with a 4.60 40 yard dash time vs. 4.63 but there is a bigger difference between 4.63 and 4.66.
2. "Banding" of players. It would be very easy to write an Excel macro or function to estimate or "band" a combine rating based on position player. For example, a QB with a dash of 4.63 looks like it is between a 625 and 550 while a Solecismc score of 42 for the same player would indicate somewhere between 625 and 475. These bands could be summed, averaged, what have you to compare between two similar-looking and/or -graded players of the same position.
3. Mathematical weights and values based on individual combine scores. I am going to try this for a few seasons to see how this works out. If it does, I might post my method (if I get back to my winning ways in the CFL). :)
w24olfpack
01-16-2014, 02:14 PM
So, how does that combine score really relate to the quality of the player drafted? I did some black box analysis of this in 2007 and I will slowly (note: slowly) be doing the same analysis for FOF7.

Methodology:
I started a league with the combine accuracy set to 100 and advanced the league through the first season to the Pre-Free Agency stage.

I will use the FOF 2004 draft file creator to create 1,000 player drafts of players at each position (QB, RB, FB, ... , S) and each quality level (625, 600, 575, ... , 375).

I will import each draft into FOF7 and see what combine scores are generated from the quality of player.

I will export the data using the built-in Data Export Utility.

The output will be brought into Excel and parsed.

I will present the raw data at the top and my observations at the bottom.

I will try to make a new post for each position as I get the data exported and analyzed.

Hopefully this data will be useful because it's a metric ton of work.

Data to follow.

My feedback would be to put the accuracy to 50
I think most leagues are going there and would probably have the most impact for the community.

I started this with 625s but got derailed do to work. Will be glad to help you crunch the numbers.
stretch
01-16-2014, 02:16 PM
Skipping Workouts
Out of 11,000 QBs 461 did not receive combine scores. These 461 QBs were scattered somewhat evenly throughout the ratings.


625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
50 42 34 37 45 54 41 43 41 34 40


40 Yard Dash

QB Dash 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
443 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
444 16 18 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
445 15 11 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
446 14 16 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
447 20 26 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
448 45 46 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
449 41 53 41 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
450 97 82 69 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
451 83 78 61 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
452 66 69 86 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
453 91 111 62 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
454 74 90 88 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
455 74 62 95 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
456 112 104 97 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
457 49 44 68 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
458 47 46 55 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
459 31 34 52 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
460 10 10 59 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
461 27 22 32 19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
462 18 15 14 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
463 15 16 15 49 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
464 0 0 13 38 4 0 0 0 0 0 0
465 0 0 5 82 10 0 0 0 0 0 0
466 0 0 0 70 8 0 0 0 0 0 0
467 0 0 0 127 20 9 0 0 0 0 0
468 0 0 0 100 13 14 0 0 0 0 0
469 0 0 0 58 43 13 0 0 0 0 0
470 0 0 0 85 35 19 0 0 0 0 0
471 0 0 0 60 60 20 0 0 0 0 0
472 0 0 0 45 72 34 0 0 0 0 0
473 0 0 0 70 109 82 0 0 0 0 0
474 0 0 0 26 100 83 12 0 0 0 0
475 0 0 0 15 94 72 18 0 0 0 0
476 0 0 0 15 75 87 15 0 0 0 0
477 0 0 0 14 83 114 13 0 0 0 0
478 0 0 0 14 62 55 12 0 0 0 0
479 0 0 0 0 65 117 67 0 0 0 0
480 0 0 0 0 25 70 57 0 0 0 0
481 0 0 0 0 19 39 59 0 0 0 0
482 0 0 0 0 18 49 74 0 0 0 0
483 0 0 0 0 16 16 75 0 0 0 0
484 0 0 0 0 24 53 557 106 0 0 0
485 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 74 0 0 0
486 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 109 0 0 0
487 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 92 0 0 0
488 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 28 0 0
489 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 164 22 0 0
490 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 111 24 0 0
491 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 63 80 0 0
492 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 52 78 0 0
493 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 22 159 0 0
494 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 145 0 0
495 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 102 0 0
496 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 99 0 0
497 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 98 10 0
498 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 71 21 0
499 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17 22 0
500 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 56 0
501 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 85 0
502 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 134 0
503 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 116 0
504 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 134 0
505 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 109 0
506 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 111 0
507 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 97 0
508 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 0
509 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 26 21
510 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 22 24
511 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 20
512 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 64
513 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 103
514 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 87
515 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 641


Solecismic

QB Sol 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
54 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
53 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
52 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
51 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
50 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
49 6 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
48 3 11 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
47 7 9 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
46 20 27 19 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
45 29 38 20 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
44 50 47 40 6 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
43 58 59 64 9 3 3 1 0 0 0 0
42 79 77 59 20 9 9 2 0 0 0 0
41 99 78 98 28 12 2 0 1 0 0 0
40 97 115 96 56 40 31 9 5 0 0 0
39 94 93 116 64 40 24 12 5 0 2 0
38 101 98 89 64 42 59 25 16 8 2 0
37 83 77 87 97 65 59 22 18 19 8 0
36 74 66 68 91 71 74 45 39 21 4 3
35 60 59 68 97 95 77 62 43 34 17 3
34 53 69 64 105 117 119 92 84 63 28 14
33 42 33 41 100 91 87 76 79 62 31 17
32 18 20 20 77 62 98 90 78 78 53 21
31 12 12 23 54 90 93 95 99 84 58 40
30 6 7 6 45 69 67 99 89 78 78 48
29 4 1 7 34 61 52 75 75 88 62 35
28 4 0 1 47 107 122 179 192 215 188 165
27 0 0 0 0 5 4 19 23 25 29 27
26 0 0 0 0 7 5 18 26 30 44 43
25 0 0 0 0 4 6 20 34 38 52 43
24 0 0 0 0 3 2 14 21 33 65 55
23 0 0 0 0 4 2 14 22 25 45 59
22 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 21 22 37 44
21 0 0 0 0 1 3 11 14 21 34 57
20 0 0 0 0 0 1 9 9 22 36 53
19 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 16 49 66
18 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 11 19 43
17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 4 18 31
16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 16 27
15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 12 32
14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 20
13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 20
12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16
11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9
10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2


Strength

QB Str 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
21 3 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
20 3 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
19 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
18 8 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
17 117 125 69 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
16 413 421 337 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
15 323 343 420 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
14 81 55 125 131 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
13 0 0 15 453 65 37 0 0 0 0 0
12 0 0 0 299 362 201 6 0 0 0 0
11 0 0 0 66 387 430 117 0 0 0 0
10 0 0 0 0 141 278 836 90 0 0 0
9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 808 249 0 0
8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 59 684 91 0
7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 26 808 0
6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 67 960


Agility

QB Agi 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
0 50 42 34 37 45 54 41 43 41 34 40
704 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
705 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
706 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
707 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
708 1 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
709 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
710 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
711 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
712 7 8 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
713 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
714 4 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
715 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
716 8 11 9 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
717 6 5 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
718 6 5 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
719 9 9 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
720 13 23 15 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
721 13 12 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
722 8 10 13 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
723 10 10 14 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
724 26 20 23 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
725 17 12 9 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
726 19 17 19 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
727 11 22 13 8 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
728 27 32 31 7 4 3 0 0 0 0 0
729 17 12 14 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
730 14 14 14 7 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
731 12 15 13 4 2 5 0 0 0 0 0
732 29 31 38 15 5 7 0 0 0 0 0
733 10 11 18 12 4 2 1 1 0 0 0
734 20 10 16 6 3 5 1 0 0 0 0
735 14 15 19 16 7 4 1 1 0 0 0
736 37 40 31 27 10 12 3 0 0 0 0
737 15 18 12 9 9 10 0 1 0 0 0
738 13 18 23 17 8 8 1 1 0 0 0
739 14 26 13 13 13 1 3 1 1 0 0
740 23 32 25 26 15 19 2 8 1 0 0
741 14 10 23 14 14 5 1 3 2 0 0
742 14 17 12 20 12 22 3 3 5 1 0
743 19 18 21 21 21 13 12 1 0 0 0
744 33 37 31 22 27 22 15 14 4 1 0
745 21 23 16 13 18 9 7 5 1 2 0
746 18 12 14 19 12 9 9 5 5 1 0
747 10 21 29 18 20 14 17 4 4 0 0
748 37 30 35 26 34 22 27 21 9 8 0
749 15 10 22 20 24 13 7 8 6 4 0
750 15 13 12 20 10 20 9 10 11 4 0
751 21 17 14 9 20 15 13 17 5 4 0
752 39 44 34 33 31 35 30 18 22 8 2
753 22 16 9 15 13 14 15 12 10 6 1
754 12 17 21 17 16 21 18 12 9 7 0
755 19 14 15 12 15 15 19 6 7 5 2
756 32 25 45 36 29 27 36 27 32 16 4
757 15 11 16 20 17 15 11 11 5 3 3
758 22 18 13 24 15 9 16 10 14 9 4
759 16 12 19 19 16 17 20 17 15 12 6
760 26 25 17 32 28 31 27 30 30 25 9
761 13 9 15 21 17 21 13 16 12 11 6
762 9 12 10 24 17 17 11 12 13 21 2
763 11 12 13 18 13 12 21 14 20 12 6
764 19 14 22 24 36 38 25 42 30 25 14
765 10 6 5 16 11 17 16 9 20 17 8
766 8 9 6 24 24 17 18 18 8 14 12
767 7 2 9 23 19 17 12 17 12 9 11
768 11 9 13 28 32 25 35 34 32 33 26
769 2 8 4 14 12 17 11 17 16 18 17
770 5 6 4 12 18 16 15 11 10 11 11
771 4 4 5 14 17 16 13 13 14 11 13
772 7 5 3 18 41 38 29 32 28 26 23
773 1 2 1 17 14 13 15 18 14 15 12
774 1 3 4 9 9 11 12 14 16 10 11
775 0 3 2 11 10 12 20 13 17 8 11
776 3 3 5 24 28 17 23 36 26 35 33
777 1 2 0 10 6 5 14 20 10 11 10
778 1 0 1 8 8 12 12 6 10 12 10
779 1 0 2 6 11 16 12 14 10 7 8
780 3 0 3 47 99 93 99 81 117 119 88
781 0 0 0 0 3 4 7 1 7 3 2
782 0 0 0 0 6 12 5 15 10 8 7
783 0 0 0 0 5 6 8 11 13 6 14
784 0 0 0 0 0 8 4 2 7 4 10
785 0 0 0 0 4 8 8 13 13 11 14
786 0 0 0 0 2 6 15 8 8 16 7
787 0 0 0 0 0 4 5 5 12 11 5
788 0 0 0 0 1 8 11 15 15 11 17
789 0 0 0 0 2 10 15 17 15 11 11
790 0 0 0 0 1 3 6 6 4 5 2
791 0 0 0 0 6 7 7 17 12 14 21
792 0 0 0 0 0 3 21 14 9 13 13
793 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 5 9 9 9
794 0 0 0 0 2 4 16 18 10 15 15
795 0 0 0 0 1 2 14 11 7 18 13
796 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 8 9 5 10
797 0 0 0 0 1 1 11 18 12 18 15
798 0 0 0 0 1 0 6 20 14 14 19
799 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 10 6 7
800 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 4 13 12 13
801 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 14 10 13 13
802 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 7 2 10
803 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 9 13 13 13
804 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 8 15 14 13
805 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 9 7 9
806 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 8 18 13 18
807 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 3 5 10 14
808 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 6 8 6
809 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 5 12 14
810 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 8 15 21
811 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 7 6
812 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 13 7
813 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 13 19
814 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 7 6
815 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 16
816 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 9 18
817 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 4 6
818 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 12 17
819 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 11
820 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5
821 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 17
822 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 18
823 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 2
824 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 10
825 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 14
826 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
827 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 13
828 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 9
829 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8
830 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 8
831 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7
832 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2
833 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8
834 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5
835 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
836 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
837 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
838 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
839 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
840 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2


Long Jump

QB Jump 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
118 5 5 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
117 33 40 21 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
116 78 83 69 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
115 105 114 104 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
114 154 134 132 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
113 147 142 147 33 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
112 124 145 131 75 13 5 0 0 0 0 0
111 138 112 115 126 40 21 0 0 0 0 0
110 91 114 106 135 71 83 6 0 0 0 0
109 56 41 87 142 110 101 25 0 0 0 0
108 17 22 38 137 168 141 142 15 0 0 0
107 2 6 10 135 133 127 134 50 0 0 0
106 0 0 0 101 147 145 122 100 7 0 0
105 0 0 0 48 137 127 142 137 29 0 0
104 0 0 0 21 90 113 146 130 93 0 0
103 0 0 0 3 34 59 135 118 104 1 0
102 0 0 0 0 10 24 107 127 135 13 0
101 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 142 128 44 0
100 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 146 77 0
99 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 45 129 133 0
98 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 115 137 7
97 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 55 139 21
96 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 127 139
95 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 162 133
94 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 135
93 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 47 143
92 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 143
91 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 129
90 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 110
89 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
88 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
87 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
86 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
85 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0


Position Drill
QB Pos 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
96 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
95 12 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
94 10 14 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
93 24 32 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
92 47 53 37 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
91 72 64 49 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
90 97 100 81 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
89 114 148 107 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
88 117 132 105 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
87 161 117 122 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
86 112 111 131 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
85 91 65 123 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
84 57 70 81 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
83 33 41 61 36 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
82 21 12 39 60 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
81 11 12 19 91 8 2 0 0 0 0 0
80 5 5 9 130 20 9 0 0 0 0 0
79 0 0 1 116 24 7 0 0 0 0 0
78 0 0 0 159 63 32 0 0 0 0 0
77 0 0 0 120 65 44 0 0 0 0 0
76 0 0 0 104 137 67 5 0 0 0 0
75 0 0 0 70 115 116 9 0 0 0 0
74 0 0 0 45 140 138 17 0 0 0 0
73 0 0 0 27 124 134 30 0 0 0 0
72 0 0 0 8 105 130 62 0 0 0 0
71 0 0 0 6 76 101 94 0 0 0 0
70 0 0 0 0 52 96 227 24 0 0 0
69 0 0 0 0 34 54 241 74 0 0 0
68 0 0 0 0 15 29 173 111 2 0 0
67 0 0 0 0 8 19 130 161 11 0 0
66 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 167 20 0 0
65 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 174 64 0 0
64 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 126 112 0 0
63 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 152 0 0
62 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 42 170 2 0
61 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 18 176 11 0
60 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 138 23 0
59 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 73 57 0
58 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 50 91 0
57 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 161 0
56 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 175 0
55 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 170 0
54 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 129 9
53 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 14
52 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 41 36
51 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 72
50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 227
49 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 247
48 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 209
47 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 176


Notes

Players' combines must be taken as a whole. Individual combine scores are not guarantees of the exact quality of the player. For example, a QB draftee may have a 40 time of 4.43, indicating he could be one of the best in the game. However, if his Solecismic is 9, Strength is 9, Agility is 8.3, Long Jump distance is 90, and his position skill is 50, this is likely just a really fast QB who won't be a very good one.

Indicators of good players:

Speed kills. A dash time of 4.57 or better could possibly be an indication of a Superstar QB.
Strength kills. A strength of 14 or higher could possibly be an indication of a Superstar QB with 16 or higher suggesting but not guaranteeing a future hall-of-famer.
Long Jump kills? Long jump of 114 or better (9'6") could possibly be a Superstar QB.
Position drill is the strongest indicator of quality. An 87 or higher could possibly be a Superstar QB.


Indicators of bad players

A dash of 4.97 or higher tends to indicate a backup or roster-filler.
A strength of 9 or lower tends to indicate a backup or roster-filler.
Long jump of 101 or lower (8'5") tends to indicate a backup or roster-filler.


Cautions

Solecismic differences are very fine and can be used to differentiate at the top and bottom of the scales but be careful to try to pick out the difference between a 550 and 525, for example.
There are so many outliers with Agility it is hard to have a "hard and fast rule" about what to draft. I would probably avoid any Agility higher than 7.80 though.
stretch
01-16-2014, 02:17 PM
My feedback would be to put the accuracy to 50
I think most leagues are going there and would probably have the most impact for the community.

I started this with 625s but got derailed do to work. Will be glad to help you crunch the numbers.

Crud. I've done a truckload of work at 0 already with QBs done and RBs almost done. I may have to complete those at 0 and possibly come back later at 50.
Ben E Lou
01-16-2014, 02:28 PM
When you say "each quality level" does that mean that you set all ratings to that level? (So a 550 means that every skill was 550, for example?)
stretch
01-16-2014, 03:01 PM
When you say "each quality level" does that mean that you set all ratings to that level? (So a 550 means that every skill was 550, for example?)

That is correct.
TRO
01-16-2014, 03:27 PM
:popcorn:
garion333
01-16-2014, 08:03 PM
:popcorn:
+1
aston217
01-16-2014, 11:54 PM
Speed kills. A dash time of 4.57 or better is indicative of a Superstar QB.

** in the correlated skillsets.

Which, by the way, old 2k7 combine correlations may or may not apply any longer. It might not be nearly as simple as "bench is 50/50 deep/long" or "agility is pass blocking."
QuikSand
01-17-2014, 04:18 AM
Which, by the way, old 2k7 combine correlations may or may not apply any longer. It might not be nearly as simple as "bench is 50/50 deep/long" or "agility is pass blocking."

Are you suggesting there's evidence that the old correlations no longer exist?

Or just that we shouldn't necessarily take it for granted that they do?

If the former...please share at least a skeleton of what you're seeing.
Ben E Lou
01-17-2014, 06:08 AM
Because of this...
When you say "each quality level" does that mean that you set all ratings to that level? (So a 550 means that every skill was 550, for example?)
Be very careful about how you phrase these:
Speed kills. A dash time of 4.57 or better is indicative of a Superstar QB.
Strength kills. A strength of 14 or higher is indicative of a Superstar QB with 16 or higher pointing toward future hall-of-famer.
Long Jump kills? Long jump of 114 or better (9'6") indicates a Superstar QB.
Position drill is the strongest indicator of quality. An 87 or higher points toward a Superstar QB.
Indicators of bad players
A dash of 4.97 or higher tends to indicate a backup or roster-filler.
A strength of 9 or lower would indicate a backup or roster-filler.
Long jump of 101 or lower (8'5") would indicate a backup or roster-filler.FOF drafts aren't generated with all flat ratings. There are plenty of non-superstar QBs with dash scores better than 4.57, for example. And even on position drill, I'm seeing a QB with a Position drill of 90, but a 7 strength, 8'5" jump, 4.81 dash. (Overall grade is 3.8, too.) Pretty sure that guy isn't a superstar. Some people will jump on your phrasing and say "Oh...87 drill = sure superstar!!!"
stretch
01-17-2014, 08:39 AM
Because of this...

Be very careful about how you phrase these:FOF drafts aren't generated with all flat ratings. There are plenty of non-superstar QBs with dash scores better than 4.57, for example. And even on position drill, I'm seeing a QB with a Position drill of 90, but a 7 strength, 8'5" jump, 4.81 dash. (Overall grade is 3.8, too.) Pretty sure that guy isn't a superstar. Some people will jump on your phrasing and say "Oh...87 drill = sure superstar!!!"[/LIST]

I will rephrase these. I meant "indicative" as "points to but doesn't guarantee". I'll change these now.

Also, I am editing the first post to add "Suggestions for use."
w24olfpack
01-17-2014, 11:43 AM
Because of this...

Be very careful about how you phrase these:FOF drafts aren't generated with all flat ratings. There are plenty of non-superstar QBs with dash scores better than 4.57, for example. And even on position drill, I'm seeing a QB with a Position drill of 90, but a 7 strength, 8'5" jump, 4.81 dash. (Overall grade is 3.8, too.) Pretty sure that guy isn't a superstar. Some people will jump on your phrasing and say "Oh...87 drill = sure superstar!!!"
[/list]


+ 1 here.

First cut I look at on these is around the 500 or 425 level. Does this guy meet each combine at a 95% confidence he's over a 500 level player. A player with > 500 on all his sills. is going to be a damn good player. A player with over 425 in all skills will be a decent performer. Anything else is gravy.

I really look to see a cut of players that I have a high confidence will perform. From there, I try to cull out the superstars.
stretch
01-17-2014, 01:20 PM
+ 1 here.

First cut I look at on these is around the 500 or 425 level. Does this guy meet each combine at a 95% confidence he's over a 500 level player. A player with > 500 on all his sills. is going to be a damn good player. A player with over 425 in all skills will be a decent performer. Anything else is gravy.

I really look to see a cut of players that I have a high confidence will perform. From there, I try to cull out the superstars.

This is correct. However, before game obfuscation wouldn't you expect a, say, 600-level player to have higher average combine scores than, say, a 425-level player? We can't look at data before obfuscation, therefore we need to have SOME type of fixed point of reference off which to build. If we just set the overall value, then you may be looking at a 600-level player with a horrible single score that skews the data.

Let's talk concrete examples. Suppose you have two QBs that the game, before obfuscation, rates as 475-level QBs. So, suppose the QB individual skill ratings look like:


QB1 QB2
Dash 475 625
Sol 475 400
Str 475 625
Agi 475 400
Jump 475 400
Pos 475 400


That could result in combines that look like:

QB1 QB2
Dash 4.84 4.50
Sol 28 28
Str 10 16
Agi 7.56 7.91
Jump 106 98
Pos 69 56


The presence of the great speed and great strength for QB2 are offset by the weak combine scores elsewhere. As I edited the posts above to say, the 4.50 and 16 do not guarantee a superstar QB but those combine numbers are that of an outstanding QB whether the QB is actually outstanding.

None of this works, however, unless we have some picture of what a 625-rated 40-time is, and strength, and solecismic score, etc. That's why the individual ratings were set in the input file. Failure to do so will put our data all over the map and render it useless.

By looking at a draftee's each individual combine score and seeing what range it falls in, we might be able to determine, approximately, where the QB could wind up overall, no matter what our scout says. That 19/25 may wind up being a 50/50 decent backup and "creep up."

It makes sense in my head and I'm probably doing a bad job of explaining it.
stretch
01-17-2014, 01:34 PM
Running Backs
Skipping Workouts
Out of 11,000 RBs 439 did not receive combine scores. These 439 RBs were scattered somewhat evenly throughout the ratings.


625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
38 46 35 37 35 35 36 43 46 47 41


40 Yard Dash

RB Dash 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
432 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
433 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
434 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
435 2 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
436 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
437 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
438 2 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
439 4 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
440 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
441 27 26 19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
442 38 25 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
443 59 68 42 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
444 93 96 89 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
445 88 86 97 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
446 121 118 120 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
447 118 93 88 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
448 136 115 126 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
449 87 99 90 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
450 78 68 104 37 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
451 43 77 70 62 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
452 29 20 39 49 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
453 13 20 31 111 5 5 0 0 0 0 0
454 10 13 6 82 11 11 0 0 0 0 0
455 4 8 2 111 28 28 0 0 0 0 0
456 1 0 4 86 42 42 5 0 0 0 0
457 0 0 2 116 66 66 7 0 0 0 0
458 0 0 0 111 85 85 7 8 0 0 0
459 0 0 0 41 92 92 14 7 0 0 0
460 0 0 0 58 124 124 41 9 0 0 0
461 0 0 0 26 106 106 45 12 0 0 0
462 0 0 0 25 100 100 66 31 0 0 0
463 0 0 0 8 76 76 44 30 0 0 0
464 0 0 0 5 104 104 96 63 0 0 0
465 0 0 0 0 124 124 279 185 42 0 0
466 0 0 0 0 0 0 45 49 46 0 0
467 0 0 0 0 0 0 68 54 66 0 0
468 0 0 0 0 0 0 57 74 91 3 0
469 0 0 0 0 0 0 62 82 76 7 0
470 0 0 0 0 0 0 55 72 79 13 0
471 0 0 0 0 0 0 34 64 77 37 0
472 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 73 100 71 0
473 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 50 98 85 0
474 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 47 94 98 0
475 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 22 60 98 0
476 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 54 113 2
477 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 29 99 19
478 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 25 99 37
479 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 90 47
480 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 75 109
481 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 39 119
482 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 121
483 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 141
484 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 128
485 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 236


Solecismic

RB Sol 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
43 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
42 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
41 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
40 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
39 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
38 11 8 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
37 15 14 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
36 31 42 36 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
35 51 40 40 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
34 76 60 55 16 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
33 49 55 51 26 3 3 0 0 0 0 0
32 55 63 57 40 16 16 1 2 0 0 0
31 49 51 59 45 17 17 5 5 1 0 0
30 67 68 75 64 37 37 20 18 5 2 0
29 63 66 53 70 54 54 22 22 10 3 0
28 54 51 48 50 60 60 51 37 21 6 1
27 65 67 84 63 65 65 52 44 33 28 2
26 64 47 57 44 57 57 49 27 37 17 5
25 67 70 70 78 62 62 81 72 44 45 17
24 60 60 50 59 48 48 43 56 56 44 22
23 69 75 77 68 65 65 50 49 68 62 44
22 47 42 57 45 66 66 58 49 49 48 41
21 45 41 43 60 61 61 57 59 67 62 75
20 28 32 23 49 46 46 55 56 57 42 56
19 18 30 24 57 50 50 60 65 57 57 54
18 14 12 15 131 119 119 124 121 118 108 91
17 0 0 0 17 60 60 37 38 42 44 37
16 0 0 0 10 41 41 48 56 55 66 51
15 0 0 0 2 54 54 64 59 58 71 68
14 0 0 0 0 13 13 62 55 53 45 69
13 0 0 0 0 2 2 44 69 58 61 59
12 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 31 65 45 57
11 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 8 35 72 63
10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 11 49 64
9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 19 58
8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 66


Strength

RB Str 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
22 125 113 73 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
21 405 407 359 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
20 350 352 411 27 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
19 71 73 107 144 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
18 0 0 15 424 46 46 0 0 0 0 0
17 0 0 0 303 211 211 7 0 0 0 0
16 0 0 0 65 434 434 104 0 0 0 0
15 0 0 0 0 274 274 853 103 0 0 0
14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 545 39 0 0
13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 304 499 0 0
12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 384 100 0
11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 32 565 0
10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 285 43
9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 916


Agility

RB Agi 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
695 10 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
696 15 5 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
697 12 12 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
698 17 11 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
699 47 41 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
700 39 49 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
701 64 54 45 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
702 62 83 61 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
703 67 59 64 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
704 117 113 121 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
705 96 96 61 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
706 73 59 101 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
707 72 74 93 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
708 106 95 107 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
709 37 60 81 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
710 52 45 41 21 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
711 23 25 50 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
712 13 11 19 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
713 19 24 14 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
714 10 12 11 47 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
715 11 10 17 43 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
716 0 0 13 73 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
717 0 0 0 118 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
718 0 0 0 69 7 7 0 0 0 0 0
719 0 0 0 92 12 12 0 0 0 0 0
720 0 0 0 102 13 13 0 0 0 0 0
721 0 0 0 69 10 10 0 0 0 0 0
722 0 0 0 87 38 38 0 0 0 0 0
723 0 0 0 54 37 37 0 0 0 0 0
724 0 0 0 28 56 56 0 0 0 0 0
725 0 0 0 26 90 90 4 0 0 0 0
726 0 0 0 22 123 123 13 0 0 0 0
727 0 0 0 21 79 79 10 0 0 0 0
728 0 0 0 16 78 78 18 0 0 0 0
729 0 0 0 14 68 68 17 0 0 0 0
730 0 0 0 0 88 88 50 0 0 0 0
731 0 0 0 0 94 94 82 0 0 0 0
732 0 0 0 0 45 45 80 0 0 0 0
733 0 0 0 0 49 49 78 0 0 0 0
734 0 0 0 0 15 15 72 0 0 0 0
735 0 0 0 0 63 63 540 96 0 0 0
736 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 46 0 0 0
737 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 65 0 0 0
738 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 67 0 0 0
739 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 0 0 0
740 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 119 7 0 0
741 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 90 18 0 0
742 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 70 9 0 0
743 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 86 10 0 0
744 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 83 24 0 0
745 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 47 46 0 0
746 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 39 53 0 0
747 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 55 0 0
748 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 79 0 0
749 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 145 0 0
750 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 21 112 0 0
751 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 65 0 0
752 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 78 0 0
753 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 82 4 0
754 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 59 9 0
755 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 50 15 0
756 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17 18 0
757 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 19 0
758 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 49 0
759 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 45 0
760 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 76 0
761 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 89 0
762 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 101 0
763 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 78 0
764 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 92 0
765 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 62 0
766 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 83 0
767 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 78 0
768 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 45 0
769 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 44 0
770 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 0
771 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 19
772 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 13
773 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 16
774 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17
775 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 35
776 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 70
777 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 69
778 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 75
779 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 56
780 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 589



Long Jump

RB Jump 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
130 4 4 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
129 25 29 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
128 81 80 53 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
127 140 133 105 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
126 141 135 140 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
125 137 132 110 44 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
124 128 143 158 91 5 5 0 0 0 0 0
123 121 121 136 126 34 34 0 0 0 0 0
122 97 87 133 99 80 80 6 0 0 0 0
121 62 63 63 147 107 107 26 0 0 0 0
120 18 20 36 145 131 131 133 10 0 0 0
119 8 7 6 121 152 152 141 51 0 0 0
118 0 0 0 111 140 140 139 94 2 0 0
117 0 0 0 53 133 133 142 128 33 0 0
116 0 0 0 14 105 105 146 123 77 0 0
115 0 0 0 2 61 61 125 132 114 3 0
114 0 0 0 0 17 17 106 151 143 14 0
113 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 121 137 58 0
112 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 103 140 94 0
111 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 37 129 124 0
110 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 99 135 10
109 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 58 133 27
108 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 21 126 130
107 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 104 131
106 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 99 133
105 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 57 156
104 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 130
103 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 132
102 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 110


Position Drill
RB Pos 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
40 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
39 5 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
38 10 9 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
37 20 15 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
36 56 42 34 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
35 61 74 67 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
34 82 97 92 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
33 93 96 89 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
32 140 123 110 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
31 122 127 133 21 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
30 125 118 113 44 5 5 0 0 0 0 0
29 92 100 127 72 4 4 0 0 0 0 0
28 94 84 72 89 13 13 0 0 0 0 0
27 44 38 63 118 26 26 0 0 0 0 0
26 28 36 33 101 33 33 3 4 0 0 0
25 12 12 19 108 65 65 12 4 0 0 0
24 4 7 8 121 102 102 21 7 0 0 0
23 3 1 3 98 104 104 50 25 4 0 0
22 1 0 0 72 114 114 52 29 9 0 0
21 0 0 0 58 110 110 79 56 17 0 0
20 0 0 0 36 152 152 126 79 54 1 0
19 0 0 0 14 106 106 118 104 58 4 0
18 0 0 0 10 74 74 79 97 69 12 0
17 0 0 0 2 66 66 117 108 95 37 0
16 0 0 0 0 8 8 68 75 82 44 0
15 0 0 0 0 3 3 87 82 82 82 0
14 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 88 98 87 4
13 0 0 0 0 0 0 42 69 96 110 11
12 0 0 0 0 0 0 34 55 97 114 27
11 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 47 86 125 74
10 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 32 67 120 93
9 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 10 39 97 151
8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 18 74 167
7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 9 48 183
6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 24 140
5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 88
4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 46



Notes

Players' combines must be taken as a whole. Individual combine scores are not guarantees of the exact quality of the player. For example, a QB draftee may have a 40 time of 4.43, indicating he could be one of the best in the game. However, if his Solecismic is 9, Strength is 9, Agility is 8.3, Long Jump distance is 90, and his position skill is 50, this is likely just a really fast QB who won't be a very good one.

Important high rating delineation points:

Dash < 4.47.
Strength > 19.
Agility < 7.09.
Long Jump > 126.


Important low rating delineation points:

Dash > 4.65.
Strength < 15.
Agility > 7.35.
Long jump < 111.


Cautions

Solecismic differences are very fine and can be used to differentiate at the top and bottom of the scales but be careful to try to pick out the difference between a 550 and 525, for example.
stretch
01-17-2014, 01:43 PM
Because of this...

Be very careful about how you phrase these:FOF drafts aren't generated with all flat ratings. There are plenty of non-superstar QBs with dash scores better than 4.57, for example. And even on position drill, I'm seeing a QB with a Position drill of 90, but a 7 strength, 8'5" jump, 4.81 dash. (Overall grade is 3.8, too.) Pretty sure that guy isn't a superstar. Some people will jump on your phrasing and say "Oh...87 drill = sure superstar!!!"[/LIST]

You're right. Here's where I'd rate that QB:

Dash = 4.81 = ~500 rating
Sol = ?? = unknown, skipping
Agi = ?? = unknown, skipping
Str = 7 = ~400 rating
Jump = 101 = ~425 rating
Pos = 90 = ~600 rating

Ignoring the unknown values, (500+400+600+425)/4 = 481.25. You probably have a QB (depending on what the Solecismic and Agility combines are) that has the combines of between a 475 and 500 player.

These scores can be used for approximations. We'll never be guaranteed to know but it can help differentiate between potential 45/45 players and 32/32 players that never amount to much.
Vaevictis_386
01-17-2014, 08:52 PM
This is great stuff thanks so much.
aston217
01-17-2014, 11:54 PM
Are you suggesting there's evidence that the old correlations no longer exist?

Or just that we shouldn't necessarily take it for granted that they do?

If the former...please share at least a skeleton of what you're seeing.

The latter, Quik. I'd share if it were the former but I haven't even played the game. It looks like a lot about how combines are generated has changed -- at least existing knowledge about correlations should probably be re-verified?

This study is kinda a Malcpow-for-FOF7, and that one relied on correlation knowledge in order to draw conclusions. Every sign about FOF7 points to far more obscuring and far less 'guarantees', so even a subtle change in correlations can affect the value of a study greatly.
stretch
01-20-2014, 01:02 PM
Fullbacks
Skipping Workouts
Out of 11,000 FBs 404 did not receive combine scores (Error 404 - Workout not found. Ahem...moving on...). These 404 were scattered somewhat evenly throughout the ratings.


625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
29 29 38 34 49 39 41 35 45 26 39


40 Yard Dash

FB Dash 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
457 9 10 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
458 10 11 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
459 9 12 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
460 13 11 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
461 9 5 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
462 13 8 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
463 16 34 27 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
464 35 41 39 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
465 43 32 38 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
466 62 73 61 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
467 48 58 51 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
468 55 50 45 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
469 59 65 71 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
470 93 63 65 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
471 79 55 72 29 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
472 56 91 75 53 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
473 61 44 61 51 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
474 62 57 52 46 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
475 68 65 68 76 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
476 33 36 33 71 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
477 32 39 34 74 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
478 106 111 104 434 440 343 62 24 0 0 0
479 0 0 0 0 131 91 36 15 0 0 0
480 0 0 0 0 102 134 62 29 12 0 0
481 0 0 0 0 112 102 119 58 22 0 0
482 0 0 0 0 63 93 104 57 19 0 0
483 0 0 0 0 46 83 133 97 43 3 0
484 0 0 0 0 27 42 129 107 68 20 0
485 0 0 0 0 15 26 99 149 99 21 0
486 0 0 0 0 15 27 88 106 119 26 0
487 0 0 0 0 0 20 51 92 106 61 0
488 0 0 0 0 0 0 34 92 120 74 15
489 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 71 114 99 20
490 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 22 95 97 27
491 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 18 66 153 42
492 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 28 110 72
493 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 12 98 110
494 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 22 78 90
495 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 134 585


Solecismic

FB Sol 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
43 5 4 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
42 11 8 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
41 6 10 10 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
40 8 7 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
39 4 2 5 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
38 16 19 16 2 3 2 0 0 0 0 0
37 43 34 35 5 5 5 3 2 1 0 0
36 30 29 30 9 8 9 4 2 0 0 0
35 31 44 48 22 10 12 4 5 3 1 0
34 39 48 46 29 23 16 7 6 7 2 1
33 53 49 54 29 26 31 10 8 3 7 2
32 60 55 54 52 32 30 11 19 8 7 2
31 60 62 69 55 55 31 29 25 13 9 6
30 65 57 49 49 42 49 32 17 29 15 9
29 51 71 64 60 51 37 49 44 32 22 14
28 63 63 56 62 61 59 60 42 42 29 19
27 59 71 65 63 56 61 58 46 42 26 20
26 69 70 67 60 62 59 57 57 45 32 24
25 61 56 54 52 46 63 64 59 58 47 33
24 51 57 59 68 57 44 57 61 55 40 39
23 54 36 54 61 59 50 40 53 42 54 40
22 38 33 44 55 60 53 54 56 45 38 31
21 28 36 24 49 50 46 50 49 37 31 32
20 95 79 77 174 165 187 175 165 190 200 151
19 0 0 0 17 35 39 29 31 42 39 36
18 0 0 0 8 30 30 50 36 51 50 55
17 0 0 0 7 26 43 55 50 46 48 67
16 0 0 0 8 22 25 34 52 61 63 61
15 0 0 0 2 7 9 31 36 51 48 62
14 0 0 0 0 4 8 19 33 41 62 52
13 0 0 0 0 1 1 16 28 30 47 53
12 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 11 14 35 58
11 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5 6 30 44
10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 6 18 89


Strength

FB Str 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
34 12 6 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
33 15 7 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
32 18 21 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
31 13 18 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
30 4 7 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
29 72 78 68 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
28 122 136 140 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
27 172 171 176 20 8 0 0 0 0 0 0
26 187 203 206 62 41 30 0 0 0 0 0
25 154 138 141 127 31 27 9 0 0 0 0
24 121 113 110 168 108 85 39 0 0 0 0
23 40 36 32 206 160 121 43 0 0 0 0
22 28 32 29 163 192 161 103 0 0 0 0
21 13 5 10 115 179 205 156 0 0 0 0
20 0 0 0 90 232 332 609 335 57 0 0
19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 300 189 5 0
18 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 263 371 67 0
17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 60 235 226 0
16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 82 333 43
15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 21 242 145
14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 101 773


Agility

FB Agi 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
692 0 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
693 3 2 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
694 4 6 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
695 8 5 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
696 8 4 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
697 4 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
698 1 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
699 9 2 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
700 7 5 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
701 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
702 2 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
703 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
704 3 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
705 4 7 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
706 11 9 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
707 5 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
708 5 15 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
709 20 21 27 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
710 3 11 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
711 22 12 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
712 27 21 19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
713 11 21 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
714 34 24 37 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
715 31 48 35 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
716 12 23 13 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
717 42 38 39 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
718 30 32 51 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
719 12 16 14 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
720 28 38 34 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
721 37 42 35 8 6 0 0 0 0 0 0
722 17 21 18 2 5 0 0 0 0 0 0
723 43 55 41 2 4 3 0 0 0 0 0
724 59 48 54 8 7 6 0 0 0 0 0
725 22 22 32 2 7 4 0 0 0 0 0
726 52 32 38 14 4 14 0 0 0 0 0
727 30 37 44 25 5 10 0 0 0 0 0
728 15 9 17 9 3 4 0 0 0 0 0
729 30 34 21 28 4 11 0 0 0 0 0
730 50 35 34 29 11 9 0 0 0 0 0
731 19 20 17 13 3 5 5 0 0 0 0
732 41 31 28 26 5 1 5 0 0 0 0
733 18 36 30 35 20 11 2 0 0 0 0
734 10 6 15 19 14 2 2 0 0 0 0
735 24 22 26 50 22 21 4 0 0 0 0
736 28 25 20 33 26 18 5 0 0 0 0
737 9 17 9 12 9 14 6 0 0 0 0
738 28 27 26 38 26 16 9 0 0 0 0
739 26 5 19 44 39 19 9 0 0 0 0
740 3 2 1 34 28 18 1 0 0 0 0
741 9 10 11 42 47 35 8 0 0 0 0
742 10 6 3 44 42 40 5 0 0 0 0
743 4 7 3 14 16 17 10 0 0 0 0
744 6 8 6 37 31 40 19 0 0 0 0
745 6 4 10 28 29 34 19 0 0 0 0
746 4 1 4 18 19 13 12 0 0 0 0
747 6 7 11 54 48 27 31 0 0 0 0
748 5 4 6 32 39 35 26 0 0 0 0
749 3 7 2 14 29 20 21 0 0 0 0
750 4 5 6 33 36 44 37 0 0 0 0
751 4 0 2 27 36 34 39 0 0 0 0
752 0 0 0 12 24 26 25 0 0 0 0
753 0 0 0 24 25 24 36 0 0 0 0
754 0 0 0 26 43 34 35 0 0 0 0
755 0 0 0 12 16 15 15 0 0 0 0
756 0 0 0 14 35 22 44 0 0 0 0
757 0 0 0 11 22 39 43 0 0 0 0
758 0 0 0 1 19 20 23 0 0 0 0
759 0 0 0 6 21 32 57 0 0 0 0
760 0 0 0 50 126 224 406 325 58 0 0
761 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 3 0 0
762 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 10 0 0
763 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 41 30 0 0
764 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 9 0 0
765 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 55 16 0 0
766 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 44 22 0 0
767 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 32 17 0 0
768 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 37 34 0 0
769 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 39 33 4 0
770 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 28 15 2 0
771 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 47 5 0
772 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 43 10 0
773 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 13 6 0
774 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 37 9 0
775 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 44 9 0
776 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 27 2 0
777 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 48 8 0
778 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 22 56 2 0
779 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 20 5 0
780 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 30 11 0
781 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 35 25 0
782 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 15 19 0
783 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 41 23 0
784 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 32 28 0
785 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 14 9 0
786 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 31 24 0
787 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 30 22 0
788 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 9 13 0
789 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 17 28 0
790 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 15 33 0
791 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 18 0
792 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 19 36 0
793 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 31 4
794 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 17 4
795 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 43 4
796 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 53 9
797 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 18 3
798 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 48 9
799 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 32 12
800 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 21 5
801 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 36 4
802 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 36 2
803 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 22 5
804 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 35 11
805 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 28 10
806 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 9
807 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 35
808 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 22
809 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 15
810 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 21 32
811 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 29
812 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 17
813 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 34
814 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 49
815 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 25
816 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 35
817 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 24
818 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 20
819 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 42
820 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 491


Long Jump

FB Jump 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
120 5 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
119 10 8 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
118 17 18 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
117 32 39 29 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
116 57 55 48 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
115 88 78 87 11 4 3 0 0 0 0 0
114 100 112 84 19 7 9 0 0 0 0 0
113 96 113 118 40 12 13 1 0 0 0 0
112 139 114 139 82 32 25 8 0 0 0 0
111 118 119 129 107 67 47 17 0 0 0 0
110 90 95 98 101 89 56 24 0 0 0 0
109 97 95 81 119 102 103 57 0 0 0 0
108 57 55 64 119 130 120 146 45 15 0 0
107 34 35 31 112 133 129 131 69 20 0 0
106 22 17 19 89 114 132 131 106 39 0 0
105 7 10 3 84 97 110 141 98 65 7 0
104 2 4 4 43 81 103 124 130 74 11 0
103 0 0 0 25 54 63 100 141 129 19 0
102 0 0 0 12 29 48 79 124 105 40 0
101 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 92 112 68 1
100 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 65 111 99 9
99 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 45 111 105 15
98 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 77 118 28
97 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 37 132 49
96 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 36 113 136
95 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 14 102 153
94 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 63 137
93 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 46 129
92 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 128
91 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 91
90 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 85


Position Drill
FB Pos 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
50 8 7 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
49 16 15 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
48 21 28 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
47 26 25 25 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
46 31 26 27 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
45 37 29 42 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
44 36 36 37 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
43 44 48 48 8 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
42 53 56 52 11 3 1 0 0 0 0 0
41 68 75 60 11 3 6 0 0 0 0 0
40 74 75 65 20 11 6 0 0 0 0 0
39 65 82 77 25 10 5 3 0 0 0 0
38 56 68 70 41 19 5 3 1 0 0 0
37 76 67 74 28 17 14 8 2 1 0 0
36 73 62 63 47 32 26 5 2 0 0 0
35 60 61 74 58 30 32 14 4 1 0 0
34 53 58 54 59 55 28 11 4 1 0 0
33 45 49 46 70 46 47 19 9 2 0 0
32 36 25 32 73 62 54 21 9 3 0 0
31 34 24 31 72 76 45 19 24 6 0 0
30 26 22 23 63 56 71 35 9 8 0 0
29 20 17 17 65 62 66 34 21 14 0 0
28 13 10 6 61 68 60 43 26 7 0 0
27 4 9 5 57 70 59 45 32 10 0 0
26 5 8 2 48 61 62 37 36 17 0 0
25 3 5 4 59 99 128 133 96 63 2 0
24 1 2 1 44 75 92 107 88 55 10 0
23 4 0 3 30 68 87 96 96 90 23 0
22 1 0 0 24 53 81 115 101 99 46 2
21 0 0 0 0 0 3 48 57 58 44 5
20 0 0 0 0 0 6 47 51 85 52 6
19 0 0 0 0 0 3 51 59 80 78 11
18 0 0 0 0 0 1 34 55 68 83 19
17 0 0 0 0 0 0 18 63 63 87 30
16 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 38 70 90 50
15 0 0 0 0 0 1 8 47 58 94 62
14 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 20 40 90 89
13 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 20 27 69 99
12 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 14 23 62 86
11 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 4 14 51 124
10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 12 53 132
9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 24 128
8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 15 81
7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 14 63


Notes

Players' combines must be taken as a whole. Individual combine scores are not guarantees of the exact quality of the player. For example, a QB draftee may have a 40 time of 4.43, indicating he could be one of the best in the game. However, if his Solecismic is 9, Strength is 9, Agility is 8.3, Long Jump distance is 90, and his position skill is 50, this is likely just a really fast QB who won't be a very good one.

Important high rating delineation points:

Dash < 4.78
Strength > 28
Agility < 7.14


Important low rating delineation points:

Strength < 20
Agility > 7.60
Long jump < 102


Cautions

Once again Solecismic differences are very fine and can be used to differentiate at the top and bottom of the scales but be careful to try to pick out the difference between a 550 and 525, for example.
stretch
01-20-2014, 01:11 PM
Tight Ends
Skipping Workouts
Out of 11,000 TEs 430 did not receive combine scores. These 430 were scattered somewhat evenly throughout the ratings.


625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
37 33 36 50 34 46 44 27 40 40 43


40 Yard Dash

TE Dash 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
444 7 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
445 4 8 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
446 10 10 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
447 14 16 14 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
448 12 14 11 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
449 12 12 21 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
450 13 12 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
451 15 18 21 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
452 18 14 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
453 8 3 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
454 7 11 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
455 3 4 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
456 35 47 36 5 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
457 50 38 43 5 4 0 0 0 0 0 0
458 51 43 49 7 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
459 40 28 41 12 3 5 0 0 0 0 0
460 60 69 71 17 4 7 1 0 0 0 0
461 53 54 46 24 10 9 4 0 0 0 0
462 63 66 66 26 13 8 3 0 0 0 0
463 67 67 51 32 18 14 1 4 0 0 0
464 76 76 56 56 23 19 3 3 0 0 0
465 52 54 60 50 25 19 6 6 3 0 0
466 41 33 46 41 30 23 4 2 2 0 0
467 54 46 56 58 36 32 13 5 1 0 0
468 45 49 50 61 42 42 16 10 5 0 0
469 37 42 37 59 48 56 30 12 1 0 0
470 36 42 32 64 61 51 32 21 11 0 0
471 22 21 22 60 47 51 31 17 11 0 0
472 18 18 15 49 41 39 25 21 7 0 0
473 13 11 16 62 62 65 45 31 10 0 0
474 7 18 14 49 50 39 45 25 20 0 0
475 7 4 10 48 53 67 50 31 28 0 0
476 5 5 9 36 45 48 48 31 30 0 0
477 5 3 3 27 50 46 44 35 29 0 0
478 3 6 5 97 236 223 236 201 184 78 1
479 0 0 0 0 12 8 13 20 25 25 1
480 0 0 0 0 13 12 25 25 36 36 2
481 0 0 0 0 8 11 19 23 28 27 2
482 0 0 0 0 9 16 30 35 31 28 9
483 0 0 0 0 3 13 16 29 34 40 5
484 0 0 0 0 5 9 33 40 32 51 17
485 0 0 0 0 4 7 18 33 35 53 13
486 0 0 0 0 1 3 21 28 46 53 22
487 0 0 0 0 0 1 25 32 33 41 24
488 0 0 0 0 0 2 30 29 35 41 37
489 0 0 0 0 5 1 23 40 39 61 51
490 0 0 0 0 0 2 21 37 32 48 43
491 0 0 0 0 0 2 17 28 39 60 69
492 0 0 0 0 0 2 9 20 27 45 54
493 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 28 27 50 69
494 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 22 31 41 63
495 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 11 26 36 66
496 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 17 35 61
497 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 10 12 18 76
498 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5 11 29 50
499 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 6 18 56
500 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 16 46 166


Solecismic

TE Sol 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
47 4 4 8 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
46 5 10 12 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
45 8 7 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
44 12 5 7 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
43 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
42 13 13 17 3 3 3 0 0 0 0 0
41 25 22 27 5 5 3 0 1 0 0 0
40 24 20 17 9 5 3 3 1 2 0 0
39 28 31 30 12 7 6 6 2 3 0 0
38 32 47 20 17 10 11 4 3 6 2 0
37 49 34 43 22 14 20 13 6 1 1 2
36 39 34 58 32 24 16 15 7 3 3 0
35 51 51 44 47 32 27 22 19 7 5 2
34 60 53 49 45 26 27 20 17 13 8 1
33 62 54 52 39 33 38 25 22 15 8 3
32 62 56 70 59 53 48 33 29 27 16 6
31 47 51 49 55 47 42 33 29 31 18 12
30 50 62 48 39 43 42 50 41 27 18 8
29 59 69 69 73 57 50 47 52 47 37 32
28 49 52 57 50 45 45 45 33 34 35 18
27 51 47 45 56 59 52 43 30 39 30 14
26 58 50 62 54 62 53 51 64 54 45 37
25 38 40 40 47 47 48 42 50 49 43 21
24 38 34 31 58 46 38 34 37 30 39 34
23 38 35 30 42 41 55 54 44 40 38 48
22 22 23 19 27 38 32 39 40 28 37 31
21 76 91 87 158 167 189 188 191 197 171 169
20 0 0 0 14 29 28 23 37 31 39 28
19 0 0 0 16 41 37 38 38 47 45 38
18 0 0 0 12 33 29 44 42 42 53 46
17 0 0 0 5 12 31 44 42 54 48 52
16 0 0 0 1 12 14 43 51 37 47 49
15 0 0 0 1 5 10 17 35 48 51 55
14 0 0 0 0 0 2 14 11 38 45 60
13 0 0 0 0 0 1 6 15 26 44 55
12 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 4 13 31 37
11 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 9 22 38
10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 2 21 104


Strength

TE Str 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
36 28 22 27 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
35 38 42 47 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
34 46 41 44 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
33 32 38 29 5 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
32 20 15 19 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0
31 88 89 95 22 4 5 1 0 0 0 0
30 91 98 106 31 9 8 5 0 0 0 0
29 118 97 93 61 37 37 9 6 0 0 0
28 117 116 110 88 51 46 17 11 6 1 0
27 115 114 97 121 83 74 38 27 14 4 0
26 98 94 87 90 95 103 55 38 20 10 0
25 67 86 79 87 87 92 78 59 36 18 0
24 46 49 58 100 106 101 87 65 63 28 0
23 29 32 37 96 102 77 72 59 72 31 0
22 30 34 36 201 210 169 229 203 202 181 31
21 0 0 0 23 38 47 53 52 51 53 57
20 0 0 0 8 64 59 70 75 73 88 116
19 0 0 0 1 39 62 74 70 69 100 131
18 0 0 0 3 26 41 61 85 85 101 167
17 0 0 0 0 9 25 56 80 78 107 119
16 0 0 0 0 1 4 33 57 77 103 147
15 0 0 0 0 0 1 18 86 114 135 189


Agility

TE Agi 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
712 3 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
713 1 4 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
714 4 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
715 6 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
716 7 8 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
717 5 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
718 8 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
719 3 5 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
720 9 8 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
721 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
722 0 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
723 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
724 8 6 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
725 11 6 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
726 3 3 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
727 8 4 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
728 12 21 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
729 22 25 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
730 28 27 27 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
731 20 26 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
732 9 11 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
733 35 28 26 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
734 35 42 30 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
735 26 43 34 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
736 51 27 33 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
737 14 18 14 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
738 40 31 31 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
739 49 34 35 7 5 0 0 0 0 0 0
740 43 54 39 4 9 0 0 0 0 0 0
741 47 44 57 6 4 7 0 0 0 0 0
742 51 48 53 10 7 8 0 0 0 0 0
743 26 21 23 5 2 5 0 0 0 0 0
744 38 28 66 33 12 5 0 0 0 0 0
745 28 36 34 29 4 5 0 0 0 0 0
746 28 35 37 27 11 4 0 0 0 0 0
747 27 40 35 19 8 5 0 0 0 0 0
748 23 12 20 16 4 4 0 0 0 0 0
749 43 35 33 19 10 5 9 0 0 0 0
750 29 36 26 32 19 8 2 0 0 0 0
751 32 20 27 40 26 5 3 0 0 0 0
752 16 19 17 33 30 12 5 0 0 0 0
753 12 27 17 24 17 27 7 0 0 0 0
754 5 13 10 21 16 8 7 0 0 0 0
755 18 29 16 37 22 29 4 0 0 0 0
756 12 7 8 58 23 13 5 0 0 0 0
757 8 5 9 40 36 18 13 0 0 0 0
758 6 6 5 42 38 44 3 0 0 0 0
759 4 2 2 32 18 15 2 0 0 0 0
760 11 8 7 22 29 47 24 0 0 0 0
761 6 7 8 42 33 39 23 0 0 0 0
762 9 9 12 39 43 47 22 0 0 0 0
763 3 9 5 40 47 33 24 0 0 0 0
764 6 5 5 29 52 35 42 0 0 0 0
765 4 6 6 13 19 24 13 0 0 0 0
766 6 6 14 31 38 62 40 0 0 0 0
767 4 0 4 23 28 49 40 0 0 0 0
768 0 0 0 13 30 36 39 0 0 0 0
769 0 0 0 28 32 29 30 0 0 0 0
770 0 0 0 9 14 16 15 0 0 0 0
771 0 0 0 30 35 38 20 0 0 0 0
772 0 0 0 5 37 36 51 0 0 0 0
773 0 0 0 6 28 26 48 0 0 0 0
774 0 0 0 1 31 31 43 0 0 0 0
775 0 0 0 48 149 179 422 334 65 0 0
776 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 21 3 0 0
777 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 3 0 0
778 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 33 20 0 0
779 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 13 0 0
780 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 14 0 0
781 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 54 28 0 0
782 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 18 13 0 0
783 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 22 18 0 0
784 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 42 26 0 0
785 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 13 0 0
786 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 17 0 0
787 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 36 35 7 0
788 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 19 2 0
789 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17 17 2 0
790 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 35 29 4 0
791 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17 11 4 0
792 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 18 5 0
793 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 33 37 6 0
794 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 21 1 0
795 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 30 7 0
796 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 60 6 0
797 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 22 4 0
798 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17 29 3 0
799 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 32 2 0
800 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 19 11 0
801 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 9 2 0
802 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 32 25 0
803 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 18 14 0
804 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 19 12 0
805 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 35 20 0
806 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 12 9 0
807 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 20 9 0
808 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17 20 33 0
809 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 19 19 0
810 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 7 24 0
811 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 21 32 0
812 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 13 21 0
813 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 17 28 0
814 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 27 22 0
815 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 4 13 0
816 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 23 0
817 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 26 2
818 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 22 3
819 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 33 2
820 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 50 6
821 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 25 2
822 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 27 2
823 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 38 7
824 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 19 1
825 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 15 7
826 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 30 2
827 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 15 2
828 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 23 7
829 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 31 3
830 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 20 2
831 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17 5
832 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 26 23
833 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 8
834 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 14
835 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 25
836 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 8
837 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 10
838 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 29
839 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 17
840 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 15
841 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 25
842 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 20
843 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 30
844 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 35
845 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 14
846 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 18
847 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 37
848 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 22
849 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 29
850 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 525


Long Jump

TE Jump 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
128 1 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
127 5 7 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
126 12 9 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
125 12 17 21 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
124 28 17 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
123 33 27 28 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
122 33 46 42 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
121 63 55 49 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
120 70 71 70 10 4 2 0 0 0 0 0
119 112 83 71 15 7 1 0 0 0 0 0
118 88 93 92 21 9 2 0 0 0 0 0
117 93 90 103 23 9 6 3 0 0 0 0
116 97 83 86 39 28 13 4 0 0 0 0
115 71 82 88 74 36 28 9 0 0 0 0
114 77 78 66 80 42 38 6 0 0 0 0
113 50 60 53 78 56 44 17 0 0 0 0
112 37 52 49 88 65 65 26 0 0 0 0
111 30 31 36 84 67 69 34 0 0 0 0
110 17 25 30 97 87 86 69 0 0 0 0
109 18 15 24 91 77 81 61 0 0 0 0
108 7 13 8 64 106 117 122 41 9 0 0
107 4 3 4 62 100 113 114 61 24 0 0
106 1 6 2 36 90 89 121 101 34 1 0
105 4 1 0 29 66 81 120 124 50 6 0
104 0 0 0 24 48 57 114 124 94 11 0
103 0 0 0 11 40 32 69 142 99 21 0
102 0 0 0 7 27 30 67 136 106 43 0
101 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 86 112 67 1
100 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 77 132 80 2
99 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 45 101 109 13
98 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 21 82 115 24
97 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 54 108 37
96 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 36 129 131
95 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 99 140
94 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 90 144
93 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 39 130
92 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 143
91 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 106
90 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 86


Position Drill
TE Pos 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
55 7 7 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
54 14 14 15 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
53 22 34 23 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
52 39 46 30 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
51 37 49 39 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
50 49 38 55 8 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
49 67 51 76 12 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
48 78 68 65 14 4 4 0 0 0 0 0
47 81 81 73 23 9 6 2 0 0 0 0
46 100 93 83 29 16 6 3 0 0 0 0
45 90 82 98 25 22 15 3 1 0 0 0
44 87 94 83 65 31 19 6 3 1 0 0
43 69 86 79 76 33 34 12 3 1 0 0
42 70 62 73 78 40 39 15 6 5 0 0
41 59 40 57 63 58 56 32 14 2 0 0
40 43 45 39 89 76 79 39 12 8 0 0
39 20 30 25 101 89 58 43 21 7 0 0
38 18 26 14 79 73 88 49 35 17 0 0
37 15 16 21 68 100 88 51 33 9 0 0
36 8 6 12 69 83 84 58 39 17 0 0
35 9 12 5 56 122 131 118 93 65 3 0
34 6 4 6 59 94 112 105 96 55 14 0
33 3 2 3 31 72 79 93 87 68 17 0
32 0 0 1 31 62 69 87 87 66 14 0
31 0 0 0 0 0 2 27 28 28 22 0
30 0 0 0 0 0 3 22 29 32 32 1
29 0 0 0 0 0 2 29 33 48 44 2
28 0 0 0 0 0 3 27 55 30 37 0
27 0 0 0 0 0 1 19 33 43 30 4
26 0 0 0 0 0 4 21 23 42 52 3
25 0 0 0 0 0 1 30 29 48 53 7
24 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 34 61 50 15
23 0 0 0 0 0 1 19 40 44 39 17
22 0 0 0 0 0 0 17 31 56 63 29
21 0 0 0 0 0 0 18 17 31 48 25
20 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 28 35 53 29
19 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 19 24 47 31
18 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 13 30 53 51
17 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 12 25 45 66
16 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 10 29 51 62
15 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 8 19 46 60
14 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 12 40 58
13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 15 34 80
12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 6 21 76
11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 1 17 63
10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 21 100
9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5 13 75
8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 78
7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 54


Notes

Players' combines must be taken as a whole. Individual combine scores are not guarantees of the exact quality of the player. For example, a QB draftee may have a 40 time of 4.43, indicating he could be one of the best in the game. However, if his Solecismic is 9, Strength is 9, Agility is 8.3, Long Jump distance is 90, and his position skill is 50, this is likely just a really fast QB who won't be a very good one.

Important high rating delineation points:

Agility < 7.33

I know that's not a lot but the TEs are pretty blurry as far as ratings go. The only obvious lines are the ridiculously good values.

Important low rating delineation points:

Agility > 7.75
Long jump < 102


Cautions

Most rating differences (Solecismic, Strength, etc.) are very fine and can be used to differentiate at the top and bottom of the scales but be careful to try to pick out the difference between a 550 and 525, for example.
stretch
01-20-2014, 01:22 PM
Wide Receivers
Skipping Workouts
Out of 11,000 WRs 413 did not receive combine scores. These were scattered somewhat evenly throughout the ratings.


625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
39 32 44 47 35 45 39 36 35 28 33


40 Yard Dash

WR Dash 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
427 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
428 4 5 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
429 6 2 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
430 5 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
431 6 7 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
432 5 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
433 6 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
434 4 9 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
435 5 8 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
436 5 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
437 92 72 43 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
438 155 148 121 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
439 277 273 212 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
440 161 186 217 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
441 165 172 184 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
442 38 44 104 52 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
443 26 28 33 102 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
444 0 0 13 199 60 8 0 0 0 0 0
445 0 0 0 228 44 40 0 0 0 0 0
446 0 0 0 195 186 83 0 0 0 0 0
447 0 0 0 97 195 129 7 0 0 0 0
448 0 0 0 39 237 232 44 0 0 0 0
449 0 0 0 16 128 205 75 0 0 0 0
450 0 0 0 0 71 177 172 0 0 0 0
451 0 0 0 0 44 81 663 101 0 0 0
452 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 0 0 0
453 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 97 0 0 0
454 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 128 12 0 0
455 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 136 17 0 0
456 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 139 23 0 0
457 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 43 0 0
458 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 108 96 0 0
459 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 21 110 0 0
460 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 32 167 0 0
461 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 134 0 0
462 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 109 0 0
463 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 132 6 0
464 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 60 17 0
465 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 30 0
466 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 60 0
467 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 19 105 0
468 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 104 0
469 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 187 0
470 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 125 0
471 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0
472 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 103 0
473 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 41 0
474 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 15
475 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 18
476 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 21
477 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 47
478 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 113
479 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 110
480 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 643


Solecismic

WR Sol 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
39 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
38 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
37 3 4 5 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
36 11 10 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
35 19 21 15 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
34 20 25 26 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
33 56 52 47 10 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
32 70 70 61 13 5 2 1 1 0 0 0
31 90 89 85 26 9 1 1 0 0 0 0
30 135 113 124 34 14 9 3 0 0 0 0
29 120 116 121 56 28 17 10 2 1 0 0
28 126 113 110 72 42 40 10 11 3 0 0
27 88 114 115 98 60 49 19 12 4 1 0
26 87 98 87 91 82 71 31 16 9 5 0
25 66 71 73 132 84 85 40 40 17 6 3
24 53 45 64 145 136 128 94 61 43 13 5
23 22 26 28 97 132 121 88 74 55 20 2
22 16 18 17 80 99 106 105 66 73 43 13
21 8 6 7 49 108 104 120 96 101 61 12
20 3 5 4 46 67 74 102 126 102 68 36
19 1 1 2 25 52 70 93 115 92 65 36
18 1 1 1 22 72 109 207 253 266 267 141
17 0 0 0 0 2 7 24 42 69 90 101
16 0 0 0 0 5 2 21 32 65 112 116
15 0 0 0 1 0 1 19 29 47 105 141
14 0 0 0 0 0 1 8 13 26 59 124
13 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 7 11 35 102
12 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 10 26 67
11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 14 52
10 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 3 8 32
9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 9
8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3
7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5


Strength

WR Str 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
20 11 10 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
19 10 12 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
18 3 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
17 13 8 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
16 294 286 194 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
15 507 523 555 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
14 123 128 194 221 22 0 0 0 0 0 0
13 0 0 0 551 239 97 0 0 0 0 0
12 0 0 0 163 519 466 68 0 0 0 0
11 0 0 0 11 185 392 893 103 0 0 0
10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 529 63 0 0
9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 323 498 0 0
8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 377 82 0
7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 580 0
6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 301 28
5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 939


Agility

WR Agi 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
684 6 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
685 16 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
686 20 21 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
687 16 9 22 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
688 33 35 19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
689 49 40 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
690 73 77 62 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
691 73 66 52 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
692 109 105 104 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
693 117 102 63 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
694 138 123 135 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
695 63 86 84 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
696 92 104 105 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
697 47 45 73 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
698 55 59 75 22 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
699 8 26 53 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
700 21 12 25 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
701 12 18 19 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
702 13 13 17 77 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
703 0 0 14 43 17 0 0 0 0 0 0
704 0 0 0 104 31 0 0 0 0 0 0
705 0 0 0 70 14 18 0 0 0 0 0
706 0 0 0 156 25 19 0 0 0 0 0
707 0 0 0 80 49 11 0 0 0 0 0
708 0 0 0 117 76 19 0 0 0 0 0
709 0 0 0 66 64 47 0 0 0 0 0
710 0 0 0 64 112 77 0 0 0 0 0
711 0 0 0 27 94 82 5 0 0 0 0
712 0 0 0 17 123 95 23 0 0 0 0
713 0 0 0 10 69 84 17 0 0 0 0
714 0 0 0 19 102 138 24 0 0 0 0
715 0 0 0 2 49 55 29 0 0 0 0
716 0 0 0 0 79 120 57 0 0 0 0
717 0 0 0 0 12 53 56 0 0 0 0
718 0 0 0 0 13 69 123 0 0 0 0
719 0 0 0 0 12 13 57 0 0 0 0
720 0 0 0 0 24 55 570 98 0 0 0
721 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 38 0 0 0
722 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 62 0 0 0
723 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 77 0 0 0
724 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 103 2 0 0
725 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 98 12 0 0
726 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 127 25 0 0
727 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 75 19 0 0
728 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 109 33 0 0
729 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 45 44 0 0
730 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 65 93 0 0
731 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 73 0 0
732 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 26 92 0 0
733 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 19 118 0 0
734 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 107 0 0
735 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 0 0
736 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 116 4 0
737 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 51 12 0
738 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 44 22 0
739 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 15 0
740 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17 30 0
741 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 35 0
742 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 95 0
743 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 0
744 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100 0
745 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 96 0
746 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 118 0
747 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 99 0
748 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 97 0
749 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 52 0
750 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 61 0
751 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 0
752 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 26
753 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 14
754 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 14
755 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11
756 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 62
757 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 57
758 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 122
759 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 64
760 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 597


Long Jump

WR Jump 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
133 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
132 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
131 5 7 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
130 8 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
129 6 9 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
128 9 8 7 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
127 3 7 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
126 7 7 13 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
125 6 5 2 2 4 0 0 0 0 0 0
124 9 12 6 7 1 2 0 0 0 0 0
123 17 8 13 10 7 7 0 0 0 0 0
122 20 18 23 9 9 4 2 0 0 0 0
121 27 30 37 5 14 5 1 0 0 0 0
120 41 60 46 18 9 11 8 0 0 0 0
119 39 52 41 23 10 11 7 3 0 0 0
118 41 47 56 38 19 15 5 7 0 0 0
117 57 42 36 42 36 16 10 2 2 0 0
116 28 52 51 53 41 35 12 8 7 0 0
115 17 22 34 56 49 52 14 14 4 0 0
114 13 17 20 49 50 48 40 22 13 0 0
113 0 0 0 33 46 57 32 36 16 4 0
112 0 0 0 19 43 43 65 48 28 5 0
111 0 0 0 13 38 40 42 53 53 15 0
110 4 5 2 8 25 35 49 50 46 38 10
109 14 16 15 13 23 33 71 64 67 60 24
108 92 77 89 78 72 78 140 124 131 135 131
107 83 83 71 78 82 89 101 113 133 150 144
106 76 73 84 72 82 74 76 86 128 142 151
105 76 78 76 84 85 74 80 96 104 147 150
104 101 79 78 87 78 81 78 94 89 110 132
103 87 86 68 85 74 71 74 75 71 95 115
102 70 63 67 63 68 74 54 69 73 71 110


Position Drill
WR Pos 625 600 575 550 525 500 475 450 425 400 375
69 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
68 6 8 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
67 10 17 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
66 23 28 23 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
65 45 43 27 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
64 54 56 70 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
63 76 86 74 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
62 90 79 79 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
61 90 90 96 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
60 91 111 98 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
59 119 102 91 10 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
58 106 81 89 49 4 0 0 0 0 0 0
57 93 99 78 54 8 2 0 0 0 0 0
56 82 50 68 67 15 13 0 0 0 0 0
55 47 45 62 89 29 9 1 0 0 0 0
54 26 38 46 70 44 18 0 0 0 0 0
53 12 35 39 95 57 32 2 3 0 0 0
52 10 13 16 107 80 65 9 2 0 0 0
51 4 4 7 107 86 67 13 3 0 0 0
50 1 5 8 83 93 89 26 4 3 0 0
49 1 0 1 78 99 102 31 16 4 0 0
48 0 0 0 62 79 93 54 28 5 0 0
47 0 0 0 40 110 85 62 38 11 0 0
46 0 0 0 30 91 97 63 41 11 0 0
45 0 0 0 17 78 109 93 83 52 1 0
44 0 0 0 7 49 92 109 66 62 1 0
43 0 0 0 6 39 62 74 73 44 2 0
42 0 0 0 2 28 44 77 61 69 5 0
41 0 0 0 0 0 5 36 38 42 17 0
40 0 0 0 0 0 1 22 34 41 21 0
39 0 0 0 0 0 1 53 42 48 32 0
38 0 0 0 0 0 0 38 42 48 27 0
37 0 0 0 0 0 0 43 36 53 44 0
36 0 0 0 0 0 0 44 58 48 48 0
35 0 0 0 0 0 0 34 42 53 60 1
34 0 0 0 0 0 0 32 41 56 76 0
33 0 0 0 0 0 0 19 47 35 62 5
32 0 0 0 0 0 0 17 39 60 65 17
31 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 43 43 59 20
30 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 35 50 59 34
29 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 23 35 59 47
28 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 23 31 53 57
27 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 31 58 68
26 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 23 44 73
25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 12 58 91
24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 8 49 82
23 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 35 73
22 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 19 81
21 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 21 73
20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 106
19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 8 76
18 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 51
17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 35


Notes

Players' combines must be taken as a whole. Individual combine scores are not guarantees of the exact quality of the player. For example, a QB draftee may have a 40 time of 4.43, indicating he could be one of the best in the game. However, if his Solecismic is 9, Strength is 9, Agility is 8.3, Long Jump distance is 90, and his position skill is 50, this is likely just a really fast QB who won't be a very good one.

Important high rating delineation points:

Dash < 4.41
Strength > 14
Agility < 6.97
Position > 63


Important low rating delineation points:

Dash > 4.61
Strength < 9
Agility > 7.34


Cautions

Ignore Long Jump when it comes to evaluating WRs. It would appear it is still used for another rating like punt/kick returns that have a pretty even spread among the ratings.
Solecismic rating differences are very fine and can be used to differentiate at the top and bottom of the scales but be careful to try to pick out the difference between a 550 and 525, for example.
Vaevictis_386
01-28-2014, 02:30 PM
Could you outline how you go from using the data export utility to getting the draft combines into a spreadsheet?

Right now I hit 'export data' and get 27 league named files, but have no idea how to find the draft combine data in them or how to get that information into a spreadsheet.
stretch
01-29-2014, 09:41 AM
Could you outline how you go from using the data export utility to getting the draft combines into a spreadsheet?

Right now I hit 'export data' and get 27 league named files, but have no idea how to find the draft combine data in them or how to get that information into a spreadsheet.

When you click Data Export, it will create a bunch of CSV files in a directory. The file that you're looking for is called "rookies.csv". This file will only export if Free Agency has begun (I know this is right) but the draft has not completed (I believe this end point is right).
stretch
01-29-2014, 09:42 AM
Sorry for the recent lack of data, all. I have been working 55-60 hour weeks and I just haven't had a lot of time for analysis. I hope to get some work done on this sometime this week.
Vaevictis_386
01-29-2014, 07:43 PM
Thank you, found the file ('rookies'). I really appreciate your help!
HalIncandenza
01-30-2014, 06:08 PM
So what exactly should I assume is going on with guys whose combine scores don't match their scouting bars at all?

Let's say I'm looking at a QB with scores of 50 Solecismic, 4.50 dash, 16 bench, 7.00 agility, 9'8" jump, and 99 position drill, all apparently elite scores, but he's just middling in bars. Should the scouting bars always just get ignored in a situation like this?
sjshaw
01-30-2014, 06:24 PM
So what exactly should I assume is going on with guys whose combine scores don't match their scouting bars at all?

Let's say I'm looking at a QB with scores of 50 Solecismic, 4.50 dash, 16 bench, 7.00 agility, 9'8" jump, and 99 position drill, all apparently elite scores, but he's just middling in bars. Should the scouting bars always just get ignored in a situation like this?

In the old version, pretty much yes. This version, most likely, but it remains to be seen if anything has changed. Unlikely.
Karim
01-30-2014, 10:55 PM
I have such a hard time committing to draft a guy in the early rounds (1, 2, 3) based solely on combine scores, especially if his bars are not even "middling" but hovering toward zero. Is he really going to creep above 50?

In later rounds, I'll try and grab good combine scores and did notice one guy I gave up on early approach 50 with another team but it wasn't a big loss.

A MLB who can't stop the run? A DE with no pass rush skills? A CB who can't cover M2M? I don't care how good his combine scores are if I see players like that.
redfox000
01-31-2014, 11:05 AM
I have such a hard time committing to draft a guy in the early rounds (1, 2, 3) based solely on combine scores, especially if his bars are not even "middling" but hovering toward zero. Is he really going to creep above 50?

In later rounds, I'll try and grab good combine scores and did notice one guy I gave up on early approach 50 with another team but it wasn't a big loss.

A MLB who can't stop the run? A DE with no pass rush skills? A CB who can't cover M2M? I don't care how good his combine scores are if I see players like that.

I agree
Vaevictis_386
01-31-2014, 06:05 PM
My approach is:

If combines match bars, very good.

If combines are higher than bars, good.

If bars are higher than combines, not so good.
garion333
02-04-2014, 05:04 PM
So what exactly should I assume is going on with guys whose combine scores don't match their scouting bars at all?

Let's say I'm looking at a QB with scores of 50 Solecismic, 4.50 dash, 16 bench, 7.00 agility, 9'8" jump, and 99 position drill, all apparently elite scores, but he's just middling in bars. Should the scouting bars always just get ignored in a situation like this?

I have to disagree with the answer you were given. While we can't speak to exactly how everything is working in this version, in the older version you needed to look at specific bars as they were static bars. For instance, with a QB the Sense Rush bar was the static bar. So, if the above listed QB had a high SR bar it's a sign that his other bars are most likely masked.

It's not as simple as that, and neither is drafting, so it's tough to give you cut and dry examples. MalcPow's old drafting thread (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=72313) will give you an idea of what to look for, however how much it correlates to the new game is something I'm still working out. This thread is giving us the data to be able to compare the old to the new.

In relation to the example you gave, if ALL the bars were crap then the guy will probably be crap, regardless of his combine scores. However, if there's some indication that he may be better than the sum of his bars say, then he may end up being the elite player his combines showed.
Sharkn20
02-07-2014, 07:58 PM
Did you see better correlation between bars and final developed players in FOF7??

I saw a WR with elite combines but low (around 20s) AD, RR and END starting bars, around 35 3rd down catching and heīs 29% developed also... And am afraid of Drafting him... What would you recommend?? Looking for a better option? Or ignore these bars and go for him?? :popcorn: :popcorn: Our Draft scout was set to 75

In FOF2K7 I didnīt have any doubt but here...
garion333
02-11-2014, 08:32 PM
How elite?

What was his BPR like?
Sharkn20
02-12-2014, 02:18 AM
How elite?

What was his BPR like?

I'm waiting for TC yet but it looks like between 85-100 bar!
garion333
05-17-2014, 10:09 AM
Any chance you're gonna finish this, stretch? I enjoy using it as a point of reference.