FOF8 Game Logs--Oh My!

[Ben E Lou]

Pulling this out from the main thread as it deserves its own shout-out as a likely game-changer when it comes to evaluating players' performances.

The logs contain this information on every play, which tells us who effed up to allow the winning TD in this case:

1-10-WAS12 (4Q: 01:03) Harrison Iacuessa pass completed to WR Chris Hillhouse for 12 yards and a TOUCHDOWN! Hillhouse gained 2 yards after the catch. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage. Washington 13, Dallas 13
<table width="100%" border="0"><tbody><tr><td align="CENTER">OFFENSE</td><td colspan="2" align="CENTER">113t Personnel, Weak formation, Pistol</td><td align="CENTER">DEFENSE</td><td align="CENTER">34 Eagle, Nickel Personnel, Press-1</td></tr><tr><td>QB H.Iacuessa</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">***</td><td>LDE L.Shull</td><td>Rush Passer</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>X(SE) L.Bush</td><td>Secondary, F Flat (0-4)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>NT B.Mathis</td><td>Rush Passer</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>TE C.Bensen</td><td>Outlet, 3 Comeback (9-12)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>RDE K.Marquis</td><td>Rush Passer</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>Z(FL) C.Hillhouse</td><td>Primary, 3 Comeback (9-12)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>SLB T.Rhodes</td><td>Short Zone</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>RB G.Stewart</td><td>Outlet, W Wheel (9-18)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>SILB E.Montgomery</td><td>Short Zone</td><td align="LEFT">---</td></tr><tr><td>SLOT R.Spearman</td><td>Outlet, 1 Out (5-8)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>WLB K.Banks</td><td>Short Zone</td><td align="LEFT">---</td></tr><tr><td>LT D.Stehlik</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>LCB K.Riordan</td><td>Bump and Run</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>LG K.Sawyer</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>RCB E.Munoz</td><td>Bump and Run</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>C E.Hardman</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>NB P.Henry</td><td>Bump and Run</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>RG S.Rector</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>SS C.Lyle</td><td>Double TE</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>RT R.Morrison</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>FS J.Leake</td><td>Deep Zone</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr></tbody></table> (4Q: 01:03) Extra point by Jordan Osorio was good. Dallas 14, Washington 13

[Ben E Lou]

...and at the end of the log, there's this:

Informal Player Pariticipation Grades

<table width="98%" border="0"><tbody><tr valign="TOP"><td width="50%"><table valign="TOP" width="96%" cellspacing="2" border="0"><tbody><tr><th align="LEFT">Dallas</th><th align="CENTER">Plus</th><th align="CENTER">Minus</th><th align="CENTER">Grade</th></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">OLB Nolan McGregor</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">9</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">WR Nate Newton</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">4</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">DE Johnathan Noyes</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">13</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">CB Luis Matthews</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">7</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">ILB Jon Sanderson</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">4</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">WR DeAndre Angel</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">6</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">CB Jerald Knudsen</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">4</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">CB Colton Lake</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">70</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">2</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">97%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">TE Cooper Bensen</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">48</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">2</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">96%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">S Ron Welch</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">43</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">2</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">96%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">CB Derrick Pegues</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">40</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">2</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">95%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">C Ethan Hardman</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">55</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">3</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">95%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">T Devan Stehlik</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">55</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">3</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">95%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">ILB Kyle Tubbs</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">70</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">5</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">93%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">DT Patrick Nowlin</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">41</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">3</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">93%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">DT J.R. Newhart</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">12</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">92%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">OLB Edgar Di Pardo</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">43</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">4</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">91%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">DT Ezra Page</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">63</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">6</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">91%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">G Kevin Sawyer</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">53</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">5</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">91%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">S Hector Gilliland</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">72</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">7</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">91%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">CB Joey Mayes</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">72</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">7</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">91%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">S C.J. Bonetta</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">31</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">3</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">91%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">DE Roger De Boer</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">60</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">6</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">91%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">WR Chris Hillhouse</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">47</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">5</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">90%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">OLB Graham Agustoni</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">62</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">7</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">90%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">WR Leslie Bush</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">50</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">6</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">89%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">G Sean Rector</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">51</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">7</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">88%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">DE Leon Kemp</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">58</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">8</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">88%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">DT Kelvin Hawkins</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">28</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">4</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">88%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">WR Rodolfo Spearman</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">33</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">5</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">87%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">RB Gilbert Stewart</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">19</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">4</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">83%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">T Rusty Morrison</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">47</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">11</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">81%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">TE Dominic Perrone</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">17</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">5</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">77%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">RB Dustin Weaver</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">26</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">8</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">76%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">RB Trent Eddings</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">3</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">75%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="LEFT">TE A.J. Cherry</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#0A285A" align="CENTER">0%</td></tr></tbody></table></td><td width="50%"><table valign="TOP" width="96%" cellspacing="2" border="0"><tbody><tr><th align="LEFT">Washington</th><th align="CENTER">Plus</th><th align="CENTER">Minus</th><th align="CENTER">Grade</th></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">WR Tanner Van Pelt</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">2</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">CB Erick Munoz</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">58</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">TE Kaleb Ding</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">9</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">WR Cory Whiting</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">RB Avery Norey</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">22</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">DE Zane Zeppelin</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">7</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">0</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">100%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">CB Kelly Riordan</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">57</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">98%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">RB Zane Ginsberg</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">45</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">98%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">DT Brayden Mathis</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">49</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">2</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">96%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">WR Ramon Durand</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">69</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">4</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">95%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">WR Randal Horton</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">66</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">4</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">94%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">G Chad Lang</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">74</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">5</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">94%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">S Caleb Lyle</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">41</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">3</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">93%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">OLB Sedrick Gray</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">13</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">93%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">S Terrence Wiegert</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">13</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">93%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">WR Marco Wayne</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">37</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">3</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">93%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">RB Austin Mills</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">25</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">2</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">93%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">T Lincoln Simmons</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">73</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">6</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">92%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">CB Dalton Reynolds</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">11</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">92%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">S Josiah Leake</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">53</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">5</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">91%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">ILB Howard Wells</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">19</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">2</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">90%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">CB Patrick Henry</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">27</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">3</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">90%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">T Isaiah Schultz</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">71</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">8</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">90%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">TE Sherman Gilmore</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">24</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">3</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">89%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">C Bo Titus</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">70</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">9</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">89%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">G Zachery Humphries</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">70</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">9</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">89%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">OLB Terrell Rhodes</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">47</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">6</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">89%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">OLB Kim Banks</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">39</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">5</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">89%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">DE Kaden Marquis</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">45</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">6</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">88%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">TE Drake McCants</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">68</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">10</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">87%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">ILB Emmitt Montgomery</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">46</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">7</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">87%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">DT Zach McDaniel</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">6</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">86%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">DE Johnathan Barrett</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">6</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">86%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">DE Lawrence Shull</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">43</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">8</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">84%</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="LEFT">OLB Albert Hernandez</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">4</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">1</td><td bgcolor="#FEF9BC" align="CENTER">80%</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

[corbes]

I had not scrolled all the way to the bottom of a log yet. Wow.

[SlyBelle1]

Yep, this is a nice addition to the game

[Pyser]

That's awesome...but please tell me that info is stored somewhere (player cards? Maybe when you click into specific season stats to see each game?). Otherwise sounds like it's time for Ben to write a new script! :)

[Dawgfan19]

The SS doubling the TE is interesting to note.

[corbes]

That's awesome...but please tell me that info is stored somewhere (player cards? Maybe when you click into specific season stats to see each game?). Otherwise sounds like it's time for Ben to write a new script! :)


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[PilotMan]

No kidding. Wow!

But yeah, that's gotta go on the player card somewhere!!! Please!!

[gstelmack]

Would be great if this could be added to player stats.

If it's per-play data, it may be in the Solevision logs, which also means that either they have new info I have to parse, or it's been there all along and totally missed. I'll try and poke around soon and see what I can extract.

[aston217]

Participation grades! That's cool.

[gstelmack]

Solevision has definitely changed. Relative structure is the same, but the individual records are different and need some figuring. The depth chart is longer than it was, and the individual play records are new. Both are expected, but I'm going to need time to figure out what they mean. May need to turn it into a groupthink just to churn through it in a reasonable timeframe - my son is playing Classic-level soccer now so my time is more limited than it used to be.

[johnnyshaka]

Am I the only one who's curious about why the LBs in short zones get dinged on a comeback by an outside WR who is supposed to be covered by a CB?

[perez24]

SWEET!

I always wondered how you could assess how well everyone was doing...now I can.

Possibly my favorite game update since OOTP added doubleheaders!

[mrbyte]

Pulling this out from the main thread as it deserves its own shout-out as a likely game-changer when it comes to evaluating players' performances.

The logs contain this information on every play, which tells us who effed up to allow the winning TD in this case:

1-10-WAS12 (4Q: 01:03) Harrison Iacuessa pass completed to WR Chris Hillhouse for 12 yards and a TOUCHDOWN! Hillhouse gained 2 yards after the catch. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage. Washington 13, Dallas 13
<table width="100%" border="0"><tbody><tr><td align="CENTER">OFFENSE</td><td colspan="2" align="CENTER">113t Personnel, Weak formation, Pistol</td><td align="CENTER">DEFENSE</td><td align="CENTER">34 Eagle, Nickel Personnel, Press-1</td></tr><tr><td>QB H.Iacuessa</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">***</td><td>LDE L.Shull</td><td>Rush Passer</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>X(SE) L.Bush</td><td>Secondary, F Flat (0-4)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>NT B.Mathis</td><td>Rush Passer</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>TE C.Bensen</td><td>Outlet, 3 Comeback (9-12)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>RDE K.Marquis</td><td>Rush Passer</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>Z(FL) C.Hillhouse</td><td>Primary, 3 Comeback (9-12)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>SLB T.Rhodes</td><td>Short Zone</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>RB G.Stewart</td><td>Outlet, W Wheel (9-18)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>SILB E.Montgomery</td><td>Short Zone</td><td align="LEFT">---</td></tr><tr><td>SLOT R.Spearman</td><td>Outlet, 1 Out (5-8)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>WLB K.Banks</td><td>Short Zone</td><td align="LEFT">---</td></tr><tr><td>LT D.Stehlik</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>LCB K.Riordan</td><td>Bump and Run</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>LG K.Sawyer</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>RCB E.Munoz</td><td>Bump and Run</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>C E.Hardman</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>NB P.Henry</td><td>Bump and Run</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>RG S.Rector</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>SS C.Lyle</td><td>Double TE</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>RT R.Morrison</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>FS J.Leake</td><td>Deep Zone</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr></tbody></table> (4Q: 01:03) Extra point by Jordan Osorio was good. Dallas 14, Washington 13




Sorry to be a dud here but the logs generated in my game has nothing like the above. just the normal text with addition of who draws the penaltys. is there an option to turn this on or ...well what am I missing here where did the above come from?

[Dutch]

Sorry to be a dud here but the logs generated in my game has nothing like the above. just the normal text with addition of who draws the penaltys. is there an option to turn this on or ...well what am I missing here where did the above come from?

There is an option to turn it on, it's not by default. :)

Check your game settings.

CONTROLS --> Options --> Edit Single-Player Options.

There ya go!

[mrbyte]

There is an option to turn it on, it's not by default. :)

Check your game settings.

CONTROLS --> Options --> Edit Single-Player Options.

There ya go!

THANK YOU!! I had looked at that but just couldn't see it, if you know what I mean :)

[garion333]

Dutch is correct, in the options you want to put yes for "Add detailed information to game logs".

[Firefly]

Great new info! But wait, who effed up? The two guys in bold? It seems to me those guys might be the players who doubled-teamed a receiver. The play information says the QB threw away from double coverage, so how can two guys get burned in coverage?

[Ben E Lou]

2 YAC. Maybe missed tackle? Or I suppose it could be a "between the steams" kinda thing and neither helped like they should have.

EDIT: Or also, assuming the engine is similar to the past, maybe they screwed up on their assignments, causing someone else to have to lean in their direction. thus allowing the catch elsewhere? ("the center pancaked the MLB on that sweep and disorganized the defense" and all that...) I mean, my assumption is that every player gets a "did his job"/'did not do his job" dice roll on each play.

[Firefly]

Yes, the game is weird that way. And I assume you've seen enough logs to rule out that the guys in bold were the ones who double-covered a receiver. I've only see this one and so far.

Edit: Oh, I see you're not going by the bold print but by the minuses. Yes, that makes sense.

[QuikSand]

Am I the only one who's curious about why the LBs in short zones get dinged on a comeback by an outside WR who is supposed to be covered by a CB?

I predict this line of questioning is going to get deep, in time. Even if the system is very good, we are bound to have quirks and questions that come up.

[Ben E Lou]

Edit: Oh, I see you're not going by the bold print but by the minuses. Yes, that makes sense.Oh, yeah. I bolded them myself; they're not like that in the log. The minuses are the key there.

[Antmeister]

2 YAC. Maybe missed tackle? Or I suppose it could be a "between the steams" kinda thing and neither helped like they should have.

EDIT: Or also, assuming the engine is similar to the past, maybe they screwed up on their assignments, causing someone else to have to lean in their direction. thus allowing the catch elsewhere? ("the center pancaked the MLB on that sweep and disorganized the defense" and all that...) I mean, my assumption is that every player gets a "did his job"/'did not do his job" dice roll on each play.


Yes, this is what I am gathering, the --- looks like they either messed up or were dominated in their assignment. Looking at my own game logs, there are plays where I got positive yardage, but it appears that there were players that still messed up their assignments.

In this example, my QB Rivers passed for 7 yards but I am geeked on the info it gives here. While the LT and RB messed up their blocking assignments, the QB had enough time to recognize and throw away from the Primary WR who was double teamed. The Secondary Receiver, who was running a screen, caught the ball 5 yards past the line of scrimmage and got an additional 2 yards. In addition, the NT was not successful trying to rush the passer which may have given Rivers the time to find the secondary receiver:

2-12-SDO41 (1Q: 13:44) Philip Rivers pass completed to WR Dexter McCluster for 7 yards. Tackled by ILB Deone Bucannon, assisted by S Tony Jefferson. McCluster gained 2 yards after the catch. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage.
<table border="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center">OFFENSE</td> <td colspan="2" align="center">221 Personnel, I formation</td> <td align="center">DEFENSE</td> <td align="center">34 Eagle, Regular Personnel, Press-2</td></tr> <tr> <td>QB P.Rivers</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">***</td> <td>LDE C.Campbell</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>TE A.Gates</td> <td>Outlet, 3 Comeback (9-12)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>NT X.Williams</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">---</td></tr> <tr> <td>TE H.Henry</td> <td>Primary, 3 Comeback (9-12)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RDE R.Nkemdiche</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>Z(FL) D.McCluster</td> <td>Secondary, S Screen (S)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SLB C.Jones</td> <td>Blitz Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RB K.Farrow</td> <td>Protect</td> <td align="left">---</td> <td>SILB D.Bucannon</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>FB D.Watt</td> <td>Outlet, S Screen (S)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>WILB J.Bartu</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LT T.Burwell</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">---</td> <td>WLB M.Golden</td> <td>Double TE</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LG C.Watt</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>LCB M.Jenkins</td> <td>Bump and Run</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>C M.Slauson</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RCB P.Peterson</td> <td>Bump and Run</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RG D.Clark</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SS T.Branch</td> <td>Deep Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RT J.Barksdale</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>FS T.Jefferson</td> <td>Deep Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr></tbody></table>


In this example, the primary receiver could not get open and 3 of of the 5 lineman appear to have been dominated on the line of scrimmage which Carson Palmer to run for his life:

2-3-ARI42 (1Q: 04:16) Play-Action. Carson Palmer scrambled for 10 yards. Tackled by OLB Jeremiah Attaochu.
<table border="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center">OFFENSE</td> <td colspan="2" align="center">113 Personnel, Pro formation</td> <td align="center">DEFENSE</td> <td align="center">34 Eagle, Nickel Personnel, Cover-1</td></tr> <tr> <td>QB C.Palmer</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">***</td> <td>LDE J.Bosa</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>X(SE) L.Fitzgerald</td> <td>Primary, 2 Slant (5-8)</td> <td align="left">---</td> <td>NT B.Mebane</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>TE J.Gresham</td> <td>Protect</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RDE C.Liuget</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>Z(FL) J.Brown</td> <td>Secondary, 1 Out (5-8)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SLB M.Ingram</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RB D.Johnson</td> <td>Outlet, S Screen (S)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SILB M.Te'o</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>SLOT M.Floyd</td> <td>Outlet, D Deep Fade (40+)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>WLB J.Attaochu</td> <td>Man-to-Man</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LT J.Veldheer</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">---</td> <td>LCB B.Flowers</td> <td>Man-to-Man</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LG M.Iupati</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">---</td> <td>RCB P.Desir</td> <td>Man-to-Man</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>C A.Shipley</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>NB J.Verrett</td> <td>Blitz Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RG E.Mathis</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SS D.Lowery</td> <td>Man-to-Man</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RT D.Humphries</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">---</td> <td>FS D.Stuckey</td> <td>Deep Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr></tbody></table>


Since all this info is in the logs, I can see Solevision being expanded and this is the type of info I have always wanted but we couldn't in previous iterations because of how it was designed.

[TroyF]

What's really awesome about that second screen shot is how every defensive player did their job and they still gave up 10 yards. The QB simply made a great play. It happens.

[MalcPow]

I'll chime in with another thumbs up and agree that it would be very cool to have this tracked in game somewhere.

And as others have noted, I'm not sure this is meant to be a perfect proxy for "whose fault" anything was necessarily, although I'm sure that will often be the case. Trying to figure out which short zones these guys were covering with the offense in a trips formation and receivers running certain routes may very well be a useful exercise, but I'm not quite there yet. I just see it as a very simple coach's grade for how guys did their job on that play.

[Antmeister]

Okay so I was looking at the first play in the thread just to see if they were responsible and it just appears to me they just blew their assignments. It's just that the QB didn't see or take advantage of them.

1-10-WAS12 (4Q: 01:03) Harrison Iacuessa pass completed to WR Chris Hillhouse for 12 yards and a TOUCHDOWN! Hillhouse gained 2 yards after the catch. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage. Washington 13, Dallas 13
<table border="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td align="CENTER">OFFENSE</td><td colspan="2" align="CENTER">113t Personnel, Weak formation, Pistol</td><td align="CENTER">DEFENSE</td><td align="CENTER">34 Eagle, Nickel Personnel, Press-1</td></tr><tr><td>QB H.Iacuessa</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">***</td><td>LDE L.Shull</td><td>Rush Passer</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>X(SE) L.Bush</td><td>Secondary, F Flat (0-4)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>NT B.Mathis</td><td>Rush Passer</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>TE C.Bensen</td><td>Outlet, 3 Comeback (9-12)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>RDE K.Marquis</td><td>Rush Passer</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>Z(FL) C.Hillhouse</td><td>Primary, 3 Comeback (9-12)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>SLB T.Rhodes</td><td>Short Zone</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>RB G.Stewart</td><td>Outlet, W Wheel (9-18)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>SILB E.Montgomery</td><td>Short Zone</td><td align="LEFT">---</td></tr><tr><td>SLOT R.Spearman</td><td>Outlet, 1 Out (5-8)</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>WLB K.Banks</td><td>Short Zone</td><td align="LEFT">---</td></tr><tr><td>LT D.Stehlik</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>LCB K.Riordan</td><td>Bump and Run</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>LG K.Sawyer</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>RCB E.Munoz</td><td>Bump and Run</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>C E.Hardman</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>NB P.Henry</td><td>Bump and Run</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>RG S.Rector</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>SS C.Lyle</td><td>Double TE</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr><tr><td>RT R.Morrison</td><td>
</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td><td>FS J.Leake</td><td>Deep Zone</td><td align="LEFT">+++</td></tr></tbody></table> (4Q: 01:03) Extra point by Jordan Osorio was good. Dallas 14, Washington 13

To illustrate, here is what that exact play look like:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4356992/113tplay..png

What I love about the new game is that I can just design the exact play above easily in the play designer. As you will notice it is 113t which is the equivalent of 1 running back, 1 tight end, 3 receivers and it is weighted on the strong side of the formation (trips).

In the above each of the CBs did their assignments well which is why they don't have a negative. Here is what an eagle 3/4 Nickel roughly looks like:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4356992/example34eagle.png

Since this is a trips formation on offense, that means that slot (SL) receiver moves to the strong side of the formation (where the TE is). In addition, since this is Bump and Run Coverage, that means all 3 CB were up at the line of scrimmage.

Looking at the above and comparing it to the play, it is most likely the SLB (the O above the TE) covered the TE in the zone and the Safety helped to double team him. That leaves a RB open and their was most likely confusion on who to cover which made them blow their assignments but the QB didn't go that direction.

So what I am saying is that the Touchdown happened due to a well executed play that was well defensed. Now it can be sort of be indirectly involved, I guess, since there were two blown assignments, but I am leaning towards the former.

The reason I am leaning towards this conclusion is because I see other entries in the logs in which there is a passing TD not due to blown coverage. In the example below, the CB was not successful on the blitz. While we can conclude that not getting pressure on the QB helps the offense, we cannot say he is directly at fault for the TD. A well executed play (good route running, good pass) plus good personnel can still win out.

Example:
2-3-CAR03 (1Q: 07:57) Joe Flacco pass completed to WR Keenan Reynolds for 3 yards and a TOUCHDOWN! Baltimore 6, Carolina 0
<table border="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center">OFFENSE</td> <td colspan="2" align="center">113t Personnel, I formation</td> <td align="center">DEFENSE</td> <td align="center">43 Under, Nickel Personnel, Cover-2</td></tr> <tr> <td>QB J.Flacco</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">***</td> <td>LDE K.Ealy</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>X(SE) M.Wallace</td> <td>Secondary, 7 Corner (19-26)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>1tcDT K.Short</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>TE D.Pitta</td> <td>Outlet, 5 Deep Out (13-18)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RDE S.Lotulelei</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>Z(FL) B.Perriman</td> <td>Outlet, S Screen (S)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SLB C.Johnson</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RB T.West</td> <td>Outlet, S Screen (S)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SILB L.Kuechly</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>SLOT K.Reynolds</td> <td>Primary, F Flat (0-4)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>WLB J.Norris</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LT R.Stanley</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>LCB R.McClain</td> <td>Man-to-Man</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LG A.Lewis</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RCB J.Bradberry</td> <td>Man-to-Man</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>C J.Zuttah</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>NB D.Worley</td> <td>Blitz Passer</td> <td align="left">---</td></tr> <tr> <td>RG M.Yanda</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SS M.Griffin</td> <td>Deep Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RT J.Hurst</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>FS K.Coleman</td> <td>Deep Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr></tbody></table>

By the way, I highly suggest downloading those PDFs off the site. They help explain a lot and get me a bit giddy every time I play. Here is an example of what the routes are (strong side of formation, flip when it is on the weak side):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4356992/exampleroutes.png

Heck, if you just use that when viewing the game logs, it will help you see the routes each receiver is taking with just the number alone. Example when you see this in the game log - Secondary, 7 Corner (19-26) - you are just looking at number 7 on the graph to get a visual of the route.

[Antmeister]

Oh and I found one play with no --- that went for a touchdown:

1-10-LAS25 (1Q: 15:00) Case Keenum pass completed to WR Kenny Britt for 3 yards. Tackled by S J.J. Wilcox, assisted by CB Brandon Carr. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage.
<table border="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center">OFFENSE</td> <td colspan="2" align="center">113 Personnel, Weak formation</td> <td align="center">DEFENSE</td> <td align="center">43 Under, Nickel Personnel, Press-1</td></tr> <tr> <td>QB C.Keenum</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">***</td> <td>LDE B.Mayowa</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>X(SE) T.Austin</td> <td>Outlet, S Screen (S)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>1tcDT T.Crawford</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>TE T.Higbee</td> <td>Outlet, 2 Slant (5-8)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RDE C.Thornton</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>Z(FL) K.Britt</td> <td>Primary, 2 Slant (5-8)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SLB D.Lawrence</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RB T.Gurley</td> <td>Protect</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SILB R.McClain</td> <td>Double X(SE)</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>SLOT M.Thomas</td> <td>Secondary, 2 Slant (5-8)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>WLB K.Wilber</td> <td>Bump and Run</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LT R.Havenstein</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>LCB B.Carr</td> <td>Bump and Run</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LG R.Saffold</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RCB O.Scandrick</td> <td>Bump and Run</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>C T.Barnes</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>NB M.Claiborne</td> <td>Blitz Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RG C.Wichmann</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SS B.Church</td> <td>Bump and Run</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RT E.Wannamaker</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>FS J.Wilcox</td> <td>Deep Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr></tbody></table>

Ooops....wrong play. The above was a standard play for short yardage. Here is the one I was referring to:
1-10-HOU17 (3Q: 08:29) Colin Kaepernick pass completed to WR Keshawn Martin for 17 yards and a TOUCHDOWN! Martin gained 18 yards after the catch. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage. San Francisco 15, Houston 0
<table border="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center">OFFENSE</td> <td colspan="2" align="center">212 Personnel, Pro formation</td> <td align="center">DEFENSE</td> <td align="center">True 34, Regular Personnel, Cover-2</td></tr> <tr> <td>QB C.Kaepernick</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">***</td> <td>LDE J.Heath</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>X(SE) K.Martin</td> <td>Primary, S Screen (S)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>NT D.Reader</td> <td>Spy on QB</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>TE G.Celek</td> <td>Outlet, W Wheel (9-18)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RDE C.Covington</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>Z(FL) T.Smith</td> <td>Outlet, D Deep Fade (40+)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SLB W.Mercilus</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RB S.Draughn</td> <td>Secondary, 2 Slant (5-8)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SILB A.Dent</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>FB D.Harris</td> <td>Outlet, 0 Dig (0-4)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>WILB B.Peters</td> <td>Man-to-Man</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LT J.Staley</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>WLB B.Scarlett</td> <td>Spy on QB</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LG Z.Beadles</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>LCB K.Johnson</td> <td>Spy on QB</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>C D.Kilgore</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RCB A.Bouye</td> <td>Man-to-Man</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RG A.Tiller</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SS E.Pleasant</td> <td>Double Z(FL)</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RT T.Brown</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>FS A.Hal</td> <td>Deep Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Maynard]

Thanks for explaining the numbers on the route tree corresponding with info in the log. That's so cool. Really will help visualize the game log.

[Senator]

I am spending enormous amounts of time parsing these logs. There is gold in them hills....

[Brian Swartz]

I've spent a 'very' little time with FOF7 and that's about it, but this feature has pretty much guaranteed I get this once a couple of issues are sorted. Very impressive.

[Dutch]

That's awesome...but please tell me that info is stored somewhere (player cards? Maybe when you click into specific season stats to see each game?). Otherwise sounds like it's time for Ben to write a new script! :)

I want this in the Exports...we see all these future columns just waiting for info and this player data on game +++ and --- would be perfect.

[TroyF]

What is your worst defensive/offensive play you have seen? I had a 14 yard run go against me where the safety made the tackle. There were negative grades for 2 DL, 2 LB and 1 CB (all on the side the run took place) Essentially, the entire left side of my defense exploded.

[Nemesis]

What is your worst defensive/offensive play you have seen? I had a 14 yard run go against me where the safety made the tackle. There were negative grades for 2 DL, 2 LB and 1 CB (all on the side the run took place) Essentially, the entire left side of my defense exploded.

Tom Brady musta been lead blocking over there on that side. :D

[sawblade300]

Too bad none of this is kept track of in the player cards. I'm going to have to have several notebooks to keep track of how well everyone is doing. Yuck...writing.

[AlexB]

Too bad none of this is kept track of in the player cards. I'm going to have to have several notebooks to keep track of how well everyone is doing. Yuck...writing.

An extra stat along the lines of '% cock-ups' would be great.

Stat name might need some refining I guess.

[Sweed]

Too bad none of this is kept track of in the player cards. I'm going to have to have several notebooks to keep track of how well everyone is doing. Yuck...writing.

This was my thinking too. It if could be done add 2 columns to the player's individual game stat screen, I can figure the percent on my own.

[garion333]

Too bad none of this is kept track of in the player cards. I'm going to have to have several notebooks to keep track of how well everyone is doing. Yuck...writing.

Me too! I'm gonna order one of these:

http://www.christies.com/lotfinderimages/D54252/an_egyptian_green_schist_palette_predynastic_period_circa_3200_bc_d5425288h.jpg

Comes with a stylus even!

[Sweed]

[QUOTE=Antmeister;3131569]Oh and I found one play with no --- that went for a touchdown:

1-10-LAS25 (1Q: 15:00) Case Keenum pass completed to WR Kenny Britt for 3 yards. Tackled by S J.J. Wilcox, assisted by CB Brandon Carr. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage.
<table border="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center">OFFENSE</td> <td colspan="2" align="center">113 Personnel, Weak formation</td> <td align="center">DEFENSE</td> <td align="center">43 Under, Nickel Personnel, Press-1</td></tr> <tr> <td>QB C.Keenum</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">***</td> <td>LDE B.Mayowa</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>X(SE) T.Austin</td> <td>Outlet, S Screen (S)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>1tcDT T.Crawford</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>TE T.Higbee</td> <td>Outlet, 2 Slant (5-8)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RDE C.Thornton</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>Z(FL) K.Britt</td> <td>Primary, 2 Slant (5-8)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SLB D.Lawrence</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RB T.Gurley</td> <td>Protect</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SILB R.McClain</td> <td>Double X(SE)</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>SLOT M.Thomas</td> <td>Secondary, 2 Slant (5-8)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>WLB K.Wilber</td> <td>Bump and Run</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LT R.Havenstein</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>LCB B.Carr</td> <td>Bump and Run</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LG R.Saffold</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RCB O.Scandrick</td> <td>Bump and Run</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>C T.Barnes</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>NB M.Claiborne</td> <td>Blitz Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RG C.Wichmann</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SS B.Church</td> <td>Bump and Run</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RT E.Wannamaker</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>FS J.Wilcox</td> <td>Deep Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr></tbody></table>

1-10-HOU17 (3Q: 08:29) Colin Kaepernick pass completed to WR Keshawn Martin for 17 yards and a TOUCHDOWN! Martin gained 18 yards after the catch. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage. San Francisco 15, Houston 0
<table border="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center">OFFENSE</td> <td colspan="2" align="center">212 Personnel, Pro formation</td> <td align="center">DEFENSE</td> <td align="center">True 34, Regular Personnel, Cover-2</td></tr> <tr> <td>QB C.Kaepernick</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">***</td> <td>LDE J.Heath</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>X(SE) K.Martin</td> <td>Primary, S Screen (S)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>NT D.Reader</td> <td>Spy on QB</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>TE G.Celek</td> <td>Outlet, W Wheel (9-18)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RDE C.Covington</td> <td>Rush Passer</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>Z(FL) T.Smith</td> <td>Outlet, D Deep Fade (40+)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SLB W.Mercilus</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RB S.Draughn</td> <td>Secondary, 2 Slant (5-8)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SILB A.Dent</td> <td>Short Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>FB D.Harris</td> <td>Outlet, 0 Dig (0-4)</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>WILB B.Peters</td> <td>Man-to-Man</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LT J.Staley</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>WLB B.Scarlett</td> <td>Spy on QB</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>LG Z.Beadles</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>LCB K.Johnson</td> <td>Spy on QB</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>C D.Kilgore</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>RCB A.Bouye</td> <td>Man-to-Man</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RG A.Tiller</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>SS E.Pleasant</td> <td>Double Z(FL)</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr> <tr> <td>RT T.Brown</td> <td>
</td> <td align="left">+++</td> <td>FS A.Hal</td> <td>Deep Zone</td> <td align="left">+++</td></tr></tbody></table>

I used Antmeister's post to highlight something I would like to see in the game log. The play result in a contrasting color to the detailed player performance section. Too me it would make it much easier when reading through a game log breaking it up a bit lessening eye strain.

[albionmoonlight]

Too bad none of this is kept track of in the player cards. I'm going to have to have several notebooks to keep track of how well everyone is doing. Yuck...writing.

Put me on team "find a way to get this info on the player card"

[sawblade300]

What does everyone think is a good threshold for negative ratings? Not that negative is good. Maybe, what's acceptable. 80%, 75%, 70% and below?

[Ben E Lou]

What does everyone think is a good threshold for negative ratings? Not that negative is good. Maybe, what's acceptable. 80%, 75%, 70% and below?I'm thinking "acceptable" is probably around 90% and "good" is 95%. I've been meaning to copy/paste some logs from maybe 20 wins and see what the average is in those.

[sawblade300]

Thanks Ben. Looks like my boys need to step it up a bit. Too many guys 85% and below.

[Ben E Lou]

At first quick glance even that is too low. it looks like somewhere around 91.5% is an average performance score.

[sawblade300]

Well, there's going to be some guys getting familiar with the bench if they don't pick it up. Thanks again.

[TroyF]

Well, there's going to be some guys getting familiar with the bench if they don't pick it up. Thanks again.


One thing of note here. . . don't forget to take in the amount of HUGE plays a guy makes or the amount of horrible plays a guy makes.

My first game of the season, I have a lineman rotation battle going on. Both guys got between 35 and 40 plays. One guy had a 96% rating, the other guy 75%.

The 75% guy also had 1 sack, a forced fumble and generated 4 QB hurries. The 96% guy had zero explosive plays.

Obviously, there is more information to see and one game doesn't make or break a guy. . . but if the numbers stayed the way they are, I'll gladly take Mr. 75% in exchange for the game changing plays.

[SocratesJC]

Did we find a way to get this data consolidated using some sort of utility? Or, is the combined data stored somewhere? If I knew where to easily access the data, I suppose I could use a spreadsheet to combine it...

Also, did we determine how useful/important the data was to the player's value?

[Sharkn20]

Did we find a way to get this data consolidated using some sort of utility? Or, is the combined data stored somewhere? If I knew where to easily access the data, I suppose I could use a spreadsheet to combine it...

Also, did we determine how useful/important the data was to the player's value?

You can use excel to compile it, you need to know a little bit of advanced formulas though.

[victorbubba]

does this only display on fof8 but not on 7 as I cannot find it

[SocratesJC]

You can use excel to compile it, you need to know a little bit of advanced formulas though.

Yeah, I can do it, but do I need to copy and paste the data off of the html from each individual log? Or is there a way to get all the information for each player into one place easier?

does this only display on fof8 but not on 7 as I cannot find it

I can't remember if it was added near the end of fof7 (before fof8 came out) or not, but there is an option to turn on detail logs somewhere. Let me know if you can't find it and I will take a looksie myself.

[victorbubba]

I cannot find it, it only offers you a chance to show formations and not player contributions to a play

[corbes]

it was new to fof8

[Firefly]

I cannot find it, it only offers you a chance to show formations and not player contributions to a play


Make sure to check "add detailed information to game logs" in Game Options

[victorbubba]

its not there in fof7

[victorbubba]

it only allows you to show formations

[Ben E Lou]

its not there in fof7Of course not. Check the title and date of the thread...

[jcard]

I know this is an old thread, but as a new user I have been looking back through this board to see what I can learn from earlier discussions. I have a question about the play log in the very first post (though it also applies to some of the subsequently posted logs in this thread):

The description of the play says that the quarterback passed away from a double teamThe defense was double-teaming the tight end, who was an outlet target on this play. The touchdown was caught by the wide receiver who was the primary target, a double-covered outlet target wouldn’t seem to figure into his decision-making (unless the presumption is that he he cycled through his targets and returned to his primary target, though I don’t know if plays are designed to allow for that with regards to timing and defensive pressure considerations).

[QuikSand]

you will pull out all your hair if you really, really want to map every tiny thing in this game onto real life football and expect it to stand up to that fine tooth scrutiny

i don't think the playing this game at the highest level requires anything more than "the QB rating for 'read defense' connects to his ability to recognize and avoid double teams by the defense"

[mac88]

I know this is an old thread, but as a new user I have been looking back through this board to see what I can learn from earlier discussions. I have a question about the play log in the very first post (though it also applies to some of the subsequently posted logs in this thread):

The description of the play says that the quarterback passed away from a double teamThe defense was double-teaming the tight end, who was an outlet target on this play. The touchdown was caught by the wide receiver who was the primary target, a double-covered outlet target wouldn’t seem to figure into his decision-making (unless the presumption is that he he cycled through his targets and returned to his primary target, though I don’t know if plays are designed to allow for that with regards to timing and defensive pressure considerations).

I'm no expert but for starters its not as common to see a double team on a TE. I'm pretty sure they need to have a significant difference in route running compared to their wr teammates. Anyways the defensive call was to double best receiver, or double second best receiver (which is mostly done by highest route running bar). And the offense called a good play, the defense was doubling a guy who wasn't a primary or secondary target. So in theory the defensive call took out one of their own guys and the offense capitalized.

Also, join a multiplayer league asap! No reason not to, don't be worried about what you know and what you don't know. There's some great guys in the league forums that can help you out, and same with this forum. Multiplayer is incredible.

[HansMellman]

Pretty new to the game and just having my mind repeatedly blown by some of the threads in these forums! I'm overwhelmed by the data and just trying to figure out what is useful and what isnt.

Was there ever a tool/utility created to compile these grades at the end of the logs? I'm not great with excel so would be grateful of any input from anyone!

Also in reference to

At first quick glance even that is too low. it looks like somewhere around 91.5% is an average performance score.

Is that a benchmark I should be looking for? I'm currently cutting my teeth in SP until I get a bit more familiar with everything

[QuikSand]

My sincere advice:

if you're genuinely new to the game, start with the basics... FOF 101 and FOF 102 stuff

the stuff in this thread is more like FOF 528 Advanced Preseason Minutae, a higher levelcourse with a bunch of pre-requisite classes

[HansMellman]

My sincere advice:

if you're genuinely new to the game, start with the basics... FOF 101 and FOF 102 stuff

the stuff in this thread is more like FOF 528 Advanced Preseason Minutae, a higher levelcourse with a bunch of pre-requisite classes

Thanks for the response Quiksand, I suppose I'm a sucker for the analytics but yeah, maybe walk before I try to run. Any advice on concepts to start with? I've played almost continuously for the last week or so, so I'm familiar with the gameplay loop and have also started experimenting with the DA too the last couple of days. Watched all of the videos from Squirrel and yourself too, all useful stuff!

[QuikSand]

I'd say:

-read up on what makes for a likely-hit draft pick (combines connecting to ratings bars, that sort of thing)

-either use a gameplan you find here (or online somewhere), or else go with an in-game "guided gameplan" for your offense built around your OC's preference...and get comfortable with that offensive style

-get comfortable with cap management, and how to allocate funds under the cap to various positions, how and when to use the "veteran minimum salary" and the like (all this should help you prioritize when drafting, renegotiating, and so forth)... and learn to think in terms of "% of the salary cap" rather than dollar amounts

-get familiar with your receivers group, it's the highest bang for the buck when it comes to investing your time in the deeper details... learn the ratings (BPR, GD, Courage) and what they all mean, learn the importance of "Route Running" and then work to put your receivers into situations where their skills are a good fit

-save defensive gameplanning for later, it's pretty hard to do meaningfully better than just asking for the game to Recommend (aka "Rex")

[QuikSand]

oh, and go ahead and join a multi-player league...nothing will drive you to pay attention like being compelled to care about everything, and there's no substitute for getting your ass kicked

[QuikSand]

here's a league forum... i think it has a few openings, it's toward the end of its regular season, great time to jump in

Throwback Football League - Index page (https://www.fof-tfl.com/foffflco_forumT/phpBB3/index.php)

[HansMellman]

I'd say:

-read up on what makes for a likely-hit draft pick (combines connecting to ratings bars, that sort of thing)

-either use a gameplan you find here (or online somewhere), or else go with an in-game "guided gameplan" for your offense built around your OC's preference...and get comfortable with that offensive style

-get comfortable with cap management, and how to allocate funds under the cap to various positions, how and when to use the "veteran minimum salary" and the like (all this should help you prioritize when drafting, renegotiating, and so forth)... and learn to think in terms of "% of the salary cap" rather than dollar amounts

-get familiar with your receivers group, it's the highest bang for the buck when it comes to investing your time in the deeper details... learn the ratings (BPR, GD, Courage) and what they all mean, learn the importance of "Route Running" and then work to put your receivers into situations where their skills are a good fit

-save defensive gameplanning for later, it's pretty hard to do meaningfully better than just asking for the game to Recommend (aka "Rex")

Thanks for the recommendations! I'm currently trying to familiarise myself with the guided gameplans etc using some resources from Corbes's posts here. I'll take note on the cap point too, I'll see what's in the help file about the veterans minimum etc.

Thanks for the MP links too! I think i'll have to polish my skills in single player for a while first, not to mention refine my excel and python skills too! I've watched all the videos about MP from everyone and I know how hyper competitive it is! Looks like great fun, currently watching all of Claystone's videos.

[mwalter]

Franchise Football League has several openings. It's affiliated with several other FOF leagues.

fof-ffl.com

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