List of Issues post patch D

[A-Husker-4-Life]

1. Can't make Air Coryell pass plays in playbook. When I find one I can make, I save it and it shows up as a spread play in the playbook.

2. The Leader system, if you have a new potential leader it will use him to determined your friends instead of your current leader.

3. Your D coordinator will call plays directly from your playbook when they are not in the gameplan. This will happen only at the end of the half and end of the game. I've noticed that some plays are weighed heavy than others, for example cover4 no blitz seems to have the most weight.

4. AI making strange penalty decisions, example from an owner's game;

4-4-LVS41 (2Q: 02:37) Play-Action. Camden Dargy scrambled for 6 yards. Tackled by S Adrian Sweazy. PENALTY: C Gene Archer of Cleveland was called for Offensive Holding. The penalty was declined.

Why would we decline this on defense? Accepting the penalty would have forced another 4th down, distance dependent on where the hold occurred.


Found another one;

Your backup Olineman will not come in on special teams no matter how you have it setup.

I've tried everything, all starters with No special teams and just the backups have a yes for SP.

I've tried just acouple of starters with Yes for SP and still no backups come in.

I've put everyone at No special teams and all the starter still play it.

I've put every lineman at Yes and still only the starter play it.

It seems like your starting Olinemen will play no matter what the settings is.


I've sent this list into support but I wanted to post it here, there's acouple more issues to look at after Patch D. Anyone else have any others, lets notify Jim and maybe they can be put into a future patch.

[OldGiants]

I emailed last night about my latest weird OT substitution issue, the one where the QB plays RT in all 113 variations.

[A-Husker-4-Life]

I never received anything back stating they are looking into it. I have more issues I've ran across but I'm not sure anyone is looking into them. I really hope Jim isn't done with this version, it's such a huge step forward with the engine but it still needs some polish.

Should I send my other list into support or was D the last patch?

[Mobarak]

I think the guy put out a statement saying after 1 or 2 patches he wasn't going to be putting anymore time into it, or something like that.

[Hammer]

End of game defensive play calling is still a huge problem. Emailed twice on this now. It was ignored in the last patch.

[Ushikawa]

I cannot get a guy with Turf Toe to get snaps.

[A-Husker-4-Life]

End of game defensive play calling is still a huge problem. Emailed twice on this now. It was ignored in the last patch.

I agree, the coach will call a play from your playbook at the end of the half and the end of the game. You have no control over what play he is going to call so it's kinda of a pain.

[Ushikawa]

a minor quibble but the lock checks for depth charts seem to be universal. so if in league A i lock certain positions then when I go to league B they are the same.

[Pyser]

If I lock in my entire starting offensive line and then hit recommend depth charts, my left tackle always changes (usually to who is playing lg). Anyone else have this, or is it a mac-only problem?

[Nemesis]

In MP, within "View Draft Preview", select a player, open their card, click Interview, close player card, close "View Draft Preview" window, hover "Controls" > Participants > Edit Stage File > Delete your entry for the interviewed player. You don't get your interview back.

[rush_27]

Are these bugs all been sent on to solecismic? Otherwise, there is no point posting them here

[Ben E Lou]

Are these bugs all been sent on to solecismic? Otherwise, there is no point posting them here:withstupid:

I'm not sure how many times I need to say that posting an issue that you *know* to be problematic here (apart from the first few days after a release when we don't want to send a single developer emails from dozens of people with the same issue) does nothing more than let off Steam. It's useless in terms of your issue actually having a chance to be addressed.

Now, it's another thing entirely to ask "hey..is this a problem for anyone else..I'm seeing x and not sure if I should report it or is this a design decision..." type stuff like pyser did. But this is looking like people think that they're logging their issues to be addressed here.

[A-Husker-4-Life]

Are these bugs all been sent on to solecismic? Otherwise, there is no point posting them here

Did you read my first post in this section or anything I've posted? I've sent these issues into support and like Ben said, this is just for discussion purposes only and Jim doesn't read this unless you send it into support.

[Ben E Lou]

Did you read my first post in this section or anything I've posted? I've sent these issues into support and like Ben said, this is just for discussion purposes only and Jim doesn't read this unless you send it into support.You did, yes. But given the way the other posts read, I'm far from confident that they've all been reported.

[Mobarak]

Perhaps it's time for the this guy Jim to get a little more on board with his own game. It's pretty disgusting his website, shows he cares pretty much nothing for the community. Build a modern, semi professional site with forums and archives for information and I'm sure people would go there to report stuff.

Oh wait, thats FoF central I was describing... maybe that's why people come here instead of the Dev's site. Nobody needs to write Jim to tell him to do a little more for his own game.

[Mobarak]

example. I have spent about 5 minutes on his site the entire time I owned the game. It's terrible and has almost no information. I think it's kinda selfish to expect the community to pickup that end for you.

[Mobarak]

You literally can't just click the email... you have to copy paste it in your own address box lol... wow

[Ushikawa]

If I lock in my entire starting offensive line and then hit recommend depth charts, my left tackle always changes (usually to who is playing lg). Anyone else have this, or is it a mac-only problem?

I get this too but no big deal

[Hammer]

I agree, the coach will call a play from your playbook at the end of the half and the end of the game. You have no control over what play he is going to call so it's kinda of a pain.

Maybe I have hust been unlucky but I always seem to get Cover 1, while my opponent is trying to pass down the field. I don't use Cover 1 much, so that seems odd.

Jim, sorry William, initially seemed to really want to get things sorted. He was responsive and talked over previous issues with me to get precise details. All gone quiet now. Reported this twice, no reply.

[AlexB]

The post about only fixing linemen playing multiple positions, and nothing else would be patched/changed was most un-Jim-like.

It made people on the fence about the game (or the wrong side of it in my case) have no reason to look into it any further as there is no hope of any design tweaks or improvements - it sounds like it may have become in essence abandonware already.

Which is most unlike Jim, and I wonder if he's OK tbh?

[Sharkn20]

The post about only fixing linemen playing multiple positions, and nothing else would be patched/changed was most un-Jim-like.

It made people on the fence about the game (or the wrong side of it in my case) have no reason to look into it any further as there is no hope of any design tweaks or improvements - it sounds like it may have become in essence abandonware already.

Which is most unlike Jim, and I wonder if he's OK tbh?

If FOF was in fact abandoned thanks to haters like you, it will be a disaster for the foptball text base SIM community. There is no other game even close to this one.

[AlexB]

If FOF was in fact abandoned thanks to haters like you...

Lol!

[Pyser]

I get this too but no big deal


on a mac or pc?

[Ushikawa]

pc

[garion333]

If FOF was in fact abandoned thanks to haters like you, it will be a disaster for the foptball text base SIM community. There is no other game even close to this one.

I'm glad Alex laughed this one off, Shark, but damn dude. It's comments like this that fracture a community and kill it off, not basic complaints and issues with a game.

[Ben E Lou]

I'm glad Alex laughed this one off, Shark, but damn dude. It's comments like this that fracture a community and kill it off, not basic complaints and issues with a game.What if Shark is correct? Is it impossible that the game might be abandoned because of negative comments and lack of reviews?

[Ushikawa]

I would agree. I think the product was launched with too many bugs and some of the feedback have lowered Jim's interest in improving it given the rather trivial and sometimes dramatic nature of the comments. As a big fan I can only hope that someday he gets back on the saddle for another ride.

[Sharkn20]

I'm glad Alex laughed this one off, Shark, but damn dude. It's comments like this that fracture a community and kill it off, not basic complaints and issues with a game.

Attitude kills communities, and I haven't read a single constructive comment from that guy, just critics with little fundament that can be painful for the developer of this fantastic game. I understand now why Jim doesn't look this forum anymore.

As Ushi said I hope he will return for a FOF9.

[Mobarak]

What if Shark is correct? Is it impossible that the game might be abandoned because of negative comments and lack of reviews?

Like almost 100% no.

[Mobarak]

Did any of these games have good reviews?? like any version?? If so, what happened? Why the bad reviews all of a sudden... and we are talking about the whole 80 reviews total on steam? That are almost all good?

This type of game has a micro audience, and the manner in which the MP scene plays out is extremely unappealing.. I can't get a single one of my friends to pick up the game after sitting with me and going through how the game operates.

Here's my deal, I'll leave a good review after 3 new leagues start with at least 10-15 new players in each one.

[Mobarak]

Attitude kills communities, and I haven't read a single constructive comment from that guy, just critics with little fundament that can be painful for the developer of this fantastic game. I understand now why Jim doesn't look this forum anymore.

As Ushi said I hope he will return for a FOF9.

I think lack of community kills communities. If you were describing the community to someone who doesn't play, what would you say to them?

A bunch of people will say 'Welcome" when you first join... ... ... ... ...

[Ben E Lou]

I think lack of community kills communities. If you were describing the community to someone who doesn't play, what would you say to them?

A bunch of people will say 'Welcome" when you first join... ... ... ... ...I think if you look at the history of when people are new and ask reasonable questions and don't act like asshats, they're treated well and accepted.

[MizzouRah]

I've purchased FOF since v2 I think and FOF 8 has become stagnant for me. Part of it is the Rams left St. Louis, part of it is games like OOTP continue to improve the UI as well as the game, part of it is I'm older and crabby and not too many games keep my attention anymore.

The game engine is what kept me playing FOF all these years, but the UI has not changed much at all and it's become a chore for me to play and enjoy.

I owe Jim, Ben and this great community a ton of thank you's and have great respect for allowing a huge part of my internet life to be connected to FOF and its community. I truly appreciate what FOF has done for my love of sports text sims.

That being said.. for me to go all in of FOF again, something needs to happen like Jim working with Markus to have his game distributed/published by OOTP&Co.. I think the football game they were going to release might be dead?

The OOTP interface/facegen, etc with Jim taking care of his engine and other stuff would put FOF back on the map.. just my $0.02.

[Mobarak]

I think if you look at the history of when people are new and ask reasonable questions and don't act like asshats, they're treated well and accepted.


Expand a little on "treated well and accepted'..

[Mobarak]

I think if you look at the history of when people are new and ask reasonable questions and don't act like asshats, they're treated well and accepted.

This is kinda bothering Ben, are you insinuating to any degree that I'm acting like an "asshat" and not "treated well" or "accepted" ?

[AlexB]

Attitude kills communities, and I haven't read a single constructive comment from that guy, just critics with little fundament that can be painful for the developer of this fantastic game. I understand now why Jim doesn't look this forum anymore.

You need to check facts more before you make comments like that
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Rex Vs. Human Game Planning In FOF8 MP--A Philosophical Discussion (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3132119&postcount=38)
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Simming Single Week Advances To Next Week. Thoughts? (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3132808&postcount=20)
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - FOF8: More Detailed Discussions On How To Game Plan (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3132882&postcount=30)
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - No Playing Time Settings? If So, I'll Love And Hate That In MP. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3134403&postcount=8)
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Alright Boyz, Here We Go!!! (Front Office Football 8 Thoughts) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3134595&postcount=416)
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Alright Boyz, Here We Go!!! (Front Office Football 8 Thoughts) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3134647&postcount=425)
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - No Playing Time Settings? If So, I'll Love And Hate That In MP. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3139430&postcount=59)
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - FOF8 Review Reminder (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3152965&postcount=54)

Every time I've raised an issue why I don't like something, I've proposed an alternative. Like every time.

Once it took me about 2 hours after an initial post to provide the constructive feedback, but other than that it was within literally the same post.

You may not agree with the suggestions, but with each new problem I had with the game the constructive suggestion is there. :banghead: :rolleyes:

[Mobarak]

this community is starting to insult people, their ideas and their questions..

[Ushikawa]

all about tone fellas, took me many years to internalize but makes a big difference in written communications

[Ushikawa]

btw i love your hybrid human ai idea, right now if i do off gp it takes 60-90 minutes would love to just to 20-30 and rex the rest

[garion333]

What if Shark is correct? Is it impossible that the game might be abandoned because of negative comments and lack of reviews?

I'm sure Shark is correct, to a certain extent, but it's how he said what he said. Calling people "haters" because they've been critical of the game is the sort of crap that zealots do.

It's immature and a complete turn off.

[AlexB]

That's why I clipped the end of the post when quoting Shark.

The underlying point could be valid, but the start of the post sounded like it was written by a teenager, not a grown man, and was lol-worthy (I checked Shark's profile to make sure he wasn't a teenager first ;) )

[Sharkn20]

That's why I clipped the end of the post when quoting Shark.

The underlying point could be valid, but the start of the post sounded like it was written by a teenager, not a grown man, and was lol-worthy (I checked Shark's profile to make sure he wasn't a teenager first ;) )

Lol, you are really "funny". Congratulations :lol: :lol: :lol:

[AlexB]

You misunderstood, wasn't meant to be funny, just saying I checked something before posting with broadbrush strokes.

No worries, let's move on, you love the game, I don't, we have different opinions - no need for that to mean there has to be vitriolic posts. I don't mind what people think about me on an internet message board, but I'll address mistruths (which was why I linked the posts I did)

[A-Husker-4-Life]

Found another one;

Your backup Olineman will not come in on special teams no matter how you have it setup.

I've tried everything, all starters with No special teams and just the backups have a yes for SP.

I've tried just acouple of starters with Yes for SP and still no backups come in.

I've put everyone at No special teams and all the starter still play it.

I've put every lineman at Yes and still only the starter play it.

It seems like your starting Olinemen will play no matter what the settings is.

[Hammer]

Still seems to be gameplan glitches in the system. I have seen a few examples of Red Zone offense not kicking in at all.

It seems solecismic software are unresponsive now with regards to bugs, not getting any replies.

[Hammer]

I think Jim has been supportive enough over the years for us to give him the benefit of the doubt that the game will still be supported. Although it sure is frustrating right now. Maybe he needs to move in other directions in the short term as FOF8 didn't bring in the revenue he expected. Who knows.

It doesn't take long to send a quick email so I guess we have nothing to lose.

[Ben E Lou]

There have been dozens of times in the past when I emailed an issue during a time when Jim wasn't in the code and I didn't get a response for months (i.e. until the next time he was in the code,) but the issue got fixed. It's mid-May. In 19 years, have we *ever* had a patch between May and the standard .1/.2/.3 besides *maybe* 6.0e, which was a *far* bigger deal than 8.0c or any issue in this thread, thus pretty much forcing a patch?

[Ben E Lou]

Found it. 6.0e was early May (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=58492&highlight=6.0e). 5.0c was in February. 7.0b was in March. So, yeah, the typical cycle is the final .0 patch coming in late winter/early Spring, then a .1 in the fall. He probably pulls away entirely for a big chunk of that time in between. Like I said, I'm sure I've had dozens of emails that didn't get responses during what appears to be the "off" season, but the issues got fixed in the .1.

[A-Husker-4-Life]

I bet you are right Ben, he's not in code right now and hopefully enjoying the summer. I'll keep sending in the issues I find in hope of a big patch in the fall.

[A-Husker-4-Life]

Wanted to bump this, maybe Jim is back into coding.

[Ushikawa]

I have a growing hunch that at least the DL of the 43 under front is reversed. Not sure about the others and no real clue about the run gaps.

[A-Husker-4-Life]

The QB playing RT happens in the Preseason, example;

2-1-SHR02 (3Q: 01:49) Winston Torres ran outside the right tackle for 2 yards and a TOUCHDOWN! Key block delivered by Mel Largent. Denver 15, Shreveport 6
OFFENSE 212 Personnel, I formation DEFENSE 43 Over, Regular Personnel, Cover-2

QB M.Largent *** He's playing RT and starting qb
X(SE) M.Purkayastha
TE C.Gray
Z(FL) T.Warhurst
RB W.Torres
FB D.Tobeck
LT E.Warren
LG D.Youngblood
C E.Bell
RG L.Milton
RT M.Largent *** The starting Qb

The denver owner asked me to look at this in our online league.

I really hope Jim releases a big patch to fix this and the other issues in the post.