Kobe busted for sexual assault

[bigdawg2003]

Link (http://msn.espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0706/1577357.html)

Very shocking stuff.

[BillyMadison]

Good. I hate him. I hope his Wife divorces him then beats him.

[SackAttack]

I don't understand that sentiment. I can understand disliking a player because he plays for a team not your own, or even being resentful of the success he's had.

But to express glee that he's been arrested for alleged sexual assault, and to hope that his marriage dissolves? To put it bluntly, Billy, who's got their dick shoved so far up your ass as to cause that kind of gleeful malice against another person?

[BillyMadison]

Wan't me to pity him?!? He assaulted a women while being marries AND having a kid... I am glad he got caught... and am glad he is going to have to pay the consequences for his actions... whatever it may be.

[MylesKnight]

Shocking Indeed..

Keep in mind though, he has not been found Guilty of anything as of yet in the Court of Law.

[rexallllsc]

I'd be disappointed if it was true...

My completely uneducated and uninformed guess...he hooked up w/ a girl who was into it...and then she went to the hospital and got a rape kit done...

[rexallllsc]

Originally posted by BillyMadison
Wan't me to pity him?!? He assaulted a women while being marries AND having a kid... I am glad he got caught... and am glad he is going to have to pay the consequences for his actions... whatever it may be.

How do you know the allegations are true? Not to say it didn't happen, but we should wait for all the facts to come out.

Right now, all he's guilty of is extremely poor judgement.

[Ajaxab]

Even though I didn't like Kobe as a player, I respected him as a person. Shaq seemed to be all about goin' out and partying and getting fat. Kobe would work on his game and try to improve himself for the sake of the team. I hate the Lakers, but I always respected Kobe as a person. I'm hoping that these allegations are only allegations and nothing more. He has always carried himself with class off the court. This could change everything.

[GrantDawg]

I'm going to be shocked if this is true. I'm a "believe the woman" kind of guy, but Kobe? Hard to believe. Someone looking for cash off Kobe is not.

[FBPro]

I'd be surprised, so many of the cases like this are some "free-loader" looking for the golden goose. I think that all of the evidence needs to be examined and I trust that Kobe will be found innocent. I mean, look at Bryant his first kid was even born "in wedlock" to HIS wife. As far as the NBA goes that says alot.

[rexallllsc]

Probably Grant...I hope so, anyways.

[VPI97]

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[SackAttack]

Originally posted by BillyMadison
Wan't me to pity him?!? He assaulted a women while being marries AND having a kid... I am glad he got caught... and am glad he is going to have to pay the consequences for his actions... whatever it may be.

And the law of the land includes the principle of innocence until proven guilty. Law enforcement officials believe they have enough evidence to make the charge stick. Good for them. Until that evidence is presented in a court of law, before a jury, it's purely academic.

Nobody asked you to pity him, furthermore. What I said was, what exactly did the man ever do to you that you're in such giddiness over the possibility that he may have sexually assaulted a woman? What fucking PLANET do you come from where the possibility of a broken family makes your fucking day?

Pull your head out of your ass and think about the implications of your first post for a moment. It's one thing to be happy because a player you can't stand misses a crucial shot in the playoffs, or heck, misses them completely because of a missed shot. That's within the realm of sport, and win or lose, shit happens.

But the minute you start gleefully calling for the destruction of this man's personal life over allegations that are, as yet, unproven, and, as others have pointed out, may be of the "gold-digger" variety (and yes, just as well may be true), then you begin to cast yourself in a rather despicable light.

Grow the fuck up, asshole.

[BillyMadison]

What fucking PLANET do you come from where the possibility of a broken family makes your fucking day?

Earth.

[Blackadar]

Agreed, Sack.

Let's see what the truth is before giving him the scarlet letter.

[Axxon]

Originally posted by BillyMadison
Earth.

Yet another reason to realize that human beings are one of natures biggest mistakes. Must be nice gaining pleasure in the pain of others. Way to go Billy!!! You're such a cooool dude. Wish there were more like you...oh wait, there are over 6 billion like you. My bad.

The comforting fact is whenever shit happens to you Billy you can look around and realize you've just made everybody else's day. Should make you feel better and then you can go home and kick the dog or something for relief.

[Blackadar]

It must be pretty serious, though. A $25k bond is no joke and Eagle County is a high-priced tourism area. That generally means that they know how to treat and cater to celebs, so I'm inclined to think there's some measure of truth behind them.

[rexallllsc]

Originally posted by Blackadar
It must be pretty serious, though. A $25k bond is no joke and Eagle County is a high-priced tourism area. That generally means that they know how to treat and cater to celebs, so I'm inclined to think there's some measure of truth behind them.

Like I said...I bet he did hook up with the girl...and either he really did force himself on her...or it was mutual, and she decided after to cash in.

Either way...bad choice by him. Bad freakin' choice. when you're that rich, you shouldn't risk....easy for me to say, though.

[Kodos]

I am no Kobe fan, but I hope he turns out to be innocent in this. He seems like an okay guy, aside from playing for the Lakers and being a showboat.

[Calis]

I actually hope this does come up to be false. I used to hate Kobe quite a bit, and the Lakers(which I still do), but after reading more interviews and hearing what he has to say, I actually like the guy, seems like a good person.

As for the whole other ordeal in this thread, I can't really express anymore disgust than what has already been said. Someone being glad that a woman was allegedly sexually assaulted is pretty twisted. It's scary how serious some people take something such as sports, I can't imagine wishing allegations/broken family against anyone, let alone someone who's done absolutely nothing to me. That's just disturbing, plain and simple.

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Blackadar
It must be pretty serious, though. A $25k bond is no joke and Eagle County is a high-priced tourism area. That generally means that they know how to treat and cater to celebs, so I'm inclined to think there's some measure of truth behind them.

My thoughts exactly. It's rare for a celebrity to be charged with a crime anywhere in those resort areas. (Vail, Aspen, etc.)

This isn't some DA in a hick town in the middle of nowhere wanting to get his name in the paper. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't some pretty heavy duty evidence to back up the charge. (that doesn't mean I think he's guilty, just that they have some evidence that at this moment leads them to believe he is)

TroyF

[BillyMadison]

Explain why I should be sorry for Kobe... He has it easy, he is making 20+ Mill. a year to play a game... I don't care what happens to him.

[JeeberD]

Wow, one of the last jocks that I would have thought would be arrested for something like this...

[rexallllsc]

Originally posted by TroyF
My thoughts exactly. It's rare for a celebrity to be charged with a crime anywhere in those resort areas. (Vail, Aspen, etc.)

This isn't some DA in a hick town in the middle of nowhere wanting to get his name in the paper. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't some pretty heavy duty evidence to back up the charge. (that doesn't mean I think he's guilty, just that they have some evidence that at this moment leads them to believe he is)

TroyF

The sheriff's office said an arrest warrant was issued after deputies investigated a woman's claims Tuesday claiming sexual misconduct by Bryant. The incident happened the previous night in a hotel in the Edwards area of Eagle County, near Vail, the sheriff's office said in a statement.

After a series of interviews and a review of the physical evidence, investigators met with representatives for District Attorney Mark Hurlbert and concluded they had enough evidence for the felony sexual assault count, the sheriff's office said in a statement.

Hurlbert said Sunday night that he hadn't made a decision on whether to file charges and had not yet seen the arrest report. He said the sheriff's office asked a judge for an arrest warrant instead of requesting one through his office, the usual practice.

[Axxon]

Originally posted by BillyMadison
Explain why I should be sorry for Kobe... He has it easy, he is making 20+ Mill. a year to play a game... I don't care what happens to him.

Give it up Billy, you've already shown your true nature as a real humanitarian and class act. :rolleyes: Backpeddling now certainly isn't going to help. You really need to take that prozac and chill like you so helpfully prescribe to others. Honestly, it might help with your jealousy and resentment issues.

You went from I hate him to why should I pity him to why should I feel sorry for him, he's rich and I'm not, in record time. Congrats but it won't work.

[BillyMadison]

Axxon... Go hug a tree.

[rexallllsc]

Originally posted by BillyMadison
Axxon... Go hug a tree.

Dude...just stop posting in this thread already.

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[McSweeny]

hey at least Billy has decided to spread his unique brand of joy outside of the hattrick forum

[Axxon]

Originally posted by BillyMadison
Axxon... Go hug a tree.

Wow, your cutting wit and keen command of the language almost rival your compassion and merciful nature which, believe me isn't saying a lot.

Methinks a tree would have you beat in all the above categories but..again...that's not saying a lot and it may well be a terrible affront to all flora that a comparison even was considered.

[Axxon]

Originally posted by rexallllsc
Dude...just stop posting in this thread already.


Think bigger my friend. Much, much bigger. ;)

[BillyMadison]

http://board.rapmusic.com/images/smilies/gayalarm.gif

[SunDancer]

Originally posted by McSweeny
hey at least Billy has decided to spread his unique brand of joy outside of the hattrick forum

What does that mean? I don't follow hattirck.

[Axxon]

Originally posted by BillyMadison
http://board.rapmusic.com/images/smilies/gayalarm.gif

Don't worry Billy, we understand and support your alternate lifestyle choice. Don't be ashamed about it.

Be ashamed that you're a miserable petty jealous prick who wishes bad things on those more successful than yourself surely, but not because you're gay although that DOES explain a lot seing how Kobe was with a woman. Have you had strong feelings for him for a while, Billy??

Pity when ones bubble bursts so harshly.

[BillyMadison]

Originally posted by Axxon
Don't worry Billy, we understand and support your alternate lifestyle choice. Don't be ashamed about it.

Be ashamed that you're a miserable petty jealous prick who wishes bad things on those more successful than yourself surely, but not because you're gay although that DOES explain a lot seing how Kobe was with a woman. Have you had strong feelings for him for a while, Billy??

Pity when ones bubble bursts so harshly.

Wow, nice one... now go hug that tree while I make some air pollution and litter your beloved nature.

http://empty.homestead.com/files/room.jpg

[EagleFan]

I can't stand Kobe but I'll wait on judgement of this being true. He wouldn't be the first public figure to have a money hungry woman come after him. I usually believe the woman early, unless there's a big potential payday for a motive to lie.

He strikes me as arrogant, but not someone that would do something like this. Obviously that would change if he is proven guilty.

As for him being married and doing this, that's secondary to me. I don't see how the crime is made worse by his marital status. Sexual predators have often been married (not calling him one, but if he did this than he classifies as one).

[tucker342]

Terrible news:(

Of all people I never would have thought that Kobe would do somethin like this...

And I agree with rexallllsc guess of what happened

[Axxon]

Yes, Billy, that is indeed the room for those who care about you and the room is not only empty but getting smaller as you reveal even more scintillating facts about your hardened, hate filled, antihetero heart. If only you'd embrace your diversity and not jealously resent those who've found happiness with women, I'm sure your little room would fill up quite quckly with, ahem, gay, happy people who would love you for the miserable vomitous mass that you are.

Buck up trooper, it'll get better.

[BillyMadison]

Wow, you're just so clever with those comebacks... who tought you so well?!?

Man, I wish I could be like you, hippy. Go back to the 70's.

http://empty.homestead.com/files/shutup.jpg

I wonder what you'll do with this one.

[Axxon]

Originally posted by BillyMadison
Wow, nice one... now go hug that tree while I make some air pollution and litter your beloved nature.


Billy, Billy, Billy, you need merely to speak to create suitable air pollution but even your mere existance has made the world a dirtier place; you need do no more. But if you are so inclined, I'd be willing to lend you a rope, not the one you're hanging yourself with here, another one, so you could truly do something meaningful once in your life the next time you do see a tree.

[BillyMadison]

Wow, you're a dork. And stop saying words you don't know.

[Axxon]

Originally posted by BillyMadison
Wow, you're just so clever with those comebacks... who tought you so well?!?


Well, Billy, no one 'tought' me anything, at least I don't think they did since I don't even know what the word means. If, by chance, you meant 'taught' I can only assume it was someone with infinitely better skills than anyone who made the effort with you. I guess that tends to explain a lot though if you think about it.

[Axxon]

Originally posted by BillyMadison
Wow, you're a dork. And stop saying words you don't know.


You do mean words like tought don't you???

[Hurst2112]

Who's Kobe Bryant?

Seriously, why in the hell does a fricken street fight have to show up in threads like these? Usually started by somebody who wants to argue, or is simply trolling. I don't get it.

I'ts a real buzz kill to have to read around 3 or 4 kids whining to get the good content of the thread.

[BillyMadison]

Not only have you proved hypocricy, by telling me I should tie a rope around my neck, you've proved many other things... fact is, you fall into about one or two possible occupations, mechanic, truck driver, or maybe selling flowers on the highway.... nah, all of those are to prestigous for you. Bottom line is this, I will drive the car you'll never drive, and live the life you'll never live... best of all, I'll be the MAN you'll never be.

I stated my feelings on Kobe and you pick a fight... one that you lose with irrelevant arguements with no basis or substance... just blabber because you can't defend yourself.

Wow... you've fell to an all time low.

I win...

Don't bother posting because I won't read it, nor do I care what you have to say.

~Still Undefeated

[tucker342]

Can't we all just get along?:D

[mckerney]

Axxon, I warn you, don't try to start this. Just believe me, you don't want to get into a spelling mistake arguement with Billy. Not because he's a great speller, but, well my fellow hattrickers would know.

[Axxon]

Originally posted by BillyMadison
best of all, I'll be the MAN you'll never be.


I will truly and honestly thank my lucky stars for this every single day of my life, trust me.

[Axxon]

Originally posted by mckerney
Axxon, I warn you, don't try to start this. Just believe me, you don't want to get into a spelling mistake arguement with Billy. Not because he's a great speller, but, well my fellow hattrickers would know.

Aww, can't I have some fun feeding the trolls once in a while. :( This one is really too easy.

[mckerney]

Axxon, it's not an issue of feeding, but this post is an incredibly accurate example of what will happen

Originally posted by The Afoci
No it would go like this...

BM: I JUST PICKED UP AT EXCELLENT SCORER WHO IS 31!!!!! I DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING FOR HIM AT ALL AND ONLY THE TS WENT DOWN! WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF HIM?

ANYONE: Ummm, a excellent scorer isn't good for a national team player.

BM: WHAT!?! I ONLY HAVE A PASSABLE SCORER, OBVIOUSLY THE US NATIONAL TEAM COULD USE AN EXCELLENT SCORER. I TALKED TO THE NATIONAL COACH FOR SOMESMALLASSNEWCOUNTRY AND HE SAID EXCELLENTS WERE THE BEST THEY HAD. I RULE!!!!!!

ANYONE: But we have scorors that have much better skills!

BM: UNTIL YOU LEARN HOW TO SPILL "SCORERS" NO ONE WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY, IDIOT.

ANYONE: Ummm... You spelled "spell", "spill"

BM: HAHAHAHA, I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD CATCH THAT HAHAHAHA or THAT IS A TYPO, NOT A SPELLING ERROR, DUMB ASS!!!

;)


http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10925

[rexallllsc]

Originally posted by mckerney
Axxon, it's not an issue of feeding, but this post is an incredibly accurate example of what will happen




http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10925

Afoci is pound-for-pound one of the best posters here, IMO

[tucker342]

wow that's a really funny thread:D

It's so frustrating when athletes put themselves in these situations, even if Kobe didn't mean to sexually assault her, he shouldn't have put himself in that situation... It's frustrating to see athletes risk it all just from some sex...:(

[mckerney]

Originally posted by rexallllsc
Afoci is pound-for-pound one of the best posters here, IMO


Agreed. Same goes for anyone else who got arrested for stealling Lunchables when they were 19, and would have gotten away with it if they hadn't had to go back into the store to bag said stolen Lunchables. :D

[Daimyo]

BillyMadison sure sounds a lot like HornsManiac...

[Axxon]

Originally posted by Daimyo
BillyMadison sure sounds a lot like HornsManiac...

Naah, he's neither cocky or funny.

[Ben E Lou]

Looks like this flame war is over, so I won't do anything but warn the primaries. Billy & Axxon, consider yourselves warned.

[Samdari]

Originally posted by EagleFan
As for him being married and doing this, that's secondary to me. I don't see how the crime is made worse by his marital status. Sexual predators have often been married (not calling him one, but if he did this than he classifies as one).
If he was single, and did some chick in a hotel while in town for other reasons, and that chick turned out to be a money-grubbing thrill seeker, he would have done NOTHING wrong.

If he is married and complies with the money-grubbing thrill seeker, he is pretty much a scumbag whether or not this proves to any type of sexual assault. Guilty = rapist scumbag. Innocent = not a rapist, still a scumbag.

Real men don't cheat. Its that easy.

[oykib]

If he is married and complies with the money-grubbing thrill seeker, he is pretty much a scumbag whether or not this proves to any type of sexual assault. Guilty = rapist scumbag. Innocent = not a rapist, still a scumbag.

Real men don't cheat. Its that easy.

That's going a little far. Everybody makes missteps and has character flaws. I've never cheated on a girl, but most of the guys I know have. They weren't married. But plenty of married guys do.

That's between him and his wife (and whichever god he worships). The real scumbags are the guys who slap their wife or kids around or blow the rent money on crack.

The only thing I'm concerned about is whether he committed the crime or not.

[QuikSand]

I wonder if there's any kind of "morals clause" in the new contract that Bryant just signed with Nike. The ink is barely dried - and now this, which is obviously very contrary to his up-to-this-point public image.

Hmmm... maybe this was a part of the contract, to try to improve his appeal to the "thug" demographic a la Iverson? Might be able to sell more shoes as an accused rapist than as a rumored closet-dewller, no?

[Fritz]

Originally posted by QuikSand
I wonder if there's any kind of "morals clause" in the new contract that Bryant just signed with Nike. The ink is barely dried - and now this, which is obviously very contrary to his up-to-this-point public image.

Hmmm... maybe this was a part of the contract, to try to improve his appeal to the "thug" demographic a la Iverson? Might be able to sell more shoes as an accused rapist than as a rumored closet-dewller, no?

perhaps it was the shoes that made him do it (a la "the Mask"). A evil plot by Phil Knight to push mind-control shoes on youngsters, and Kobe was his Guinne Pig. If this is the case I would hate to be a female employee of Foot Locker.

*Slips shoes on* Yea, these feel nice .... Alomost like... a warm apple pie.... mmmm ... must obey the shoes ... GET ON THE BENCH BITCH OR I WILL SLAP YOU DOWN WITH THE BRANNOCK DEVICE!

[Samdari]

Originally posted by oykib
That's going a little far. Everybody makes missteps and has character flaws. I've never cheated on a girl, but most of the guys I know have. They weren't married. But plenty of married guys do.
Cheating on a girlfriend, and cheating on a wife are not even in the same category. They are really not even close. Perhaps scumbag is a bit strong, but in my opinion, men who cheat on their wives are of low character.

Originally posted by oykib
The real scumbags are the guys who slap their wife or kids around
Agreed, here, and this is worse than cheating, but imo both are across the line of a decent way to treat the human being you have pledged your life to. Slapping around is just (a lot) further over the line. We just disagree where the line is I guess.

[Fritz]

Originally posted by Samdari
Agreed, here, and this is worse than cheating, but imo both are across the line of a decent way to treat the human being you have pledged your life to. Slapping around is just (a lot) further over the line. We just disagree where the line is I guess.

what if they deserve it? You know, like she burns dinner or the kid breaks your favorite beer mug?

[oykib]

I don't disagree that it's bad behavior. Obviously, I wouldn't want my spouse to do it. It's just that it's something that plenty of men and women do.

When we hear this type of story (with this stature of celebrity), we tend to hear the womanizing aspect of it as being tied to too much undeserved wealth and sense of entitlement. But the janitor at the local high school is just as likely to cheat as Kobe (when given the chance).

The truth is that most men will cheat if given the chance to. The good husbands/boyfriends don't rationalize things and let themselves get into dangerous situations. No innocent last drink with the female co-worker with whom you have a good rapport after the party breaks up. It's that the the good guys do regularly.

Some of us can turn down hot sex when it's offered in it's immediacy. But most of us can't (won't), or at least not reliably.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally posted by oykib


The truth is that most men will cheat if given the chance to. The good husbands/boyfriends don't rationalize things and let themselves get into dangerous situations. No innocent last drink with the female co-worker with whom you have a good rapport after the party breaks up. It's that the the good guys do regularly.



This is a lesson that I have picked up by watching where couples went wrong with infidelity. People put themselves into situations where temptation gets the better of them. However, they had plenty of chances to avoid the situation in the first place. Too many "innocent" friendships lead to more. Not cheating is not hard to do if you do not want to cheat.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by Samdari
Cheating on a girlfriend, and cheating on a wife are not even in the same category. They are really not even close.

I'm not so sure this is indisuptable. I'd argue that a promise is a promise, whether you made it before God and everyone, or just between the two of you. I put the guy who cheats on his girlfriend into the "scumbag" category, too. At the very least, I'd say they are close.

The guy who cheats on his wife and in the process upends his family (key concept: children) might get an extra degree of scorn in my book for that additional selfishness. But not just because he signed a piece of paper, or repeated a few phrases.

[Axxon]

Originally posted by QuikSand
I'm not so sure this is indisuptable. I'd argue that a promise is a promise, whether you made it before God and everyone, or just between the two of you. I put the guy who cheats on his girlfriend into the "scumbag" category, too. At the very least, I'd say they are close.

The guy who cheats on his wife and in the process upends his family (key concept: children) might get an extra degree of scorn in my book for that additional selfishness. But not just because he signed a piece of paper, or repeated a few phrases.

Very well said, sir.

[Samdari]

Well, I think our differences here, QS, are those of definition. If you have promised someone you will be their life partner, and live that life without necesarily formalizing it, then break that promise, that is equivalent to cheating on your wife. Dating a girl in college, and hooking up with a different girl at a party is what I was thinking of as not in the same category. In either situation, the term girlfriend is frequently used.

And oykib, do you really thing most men would cheat if given the chance? Or do you think men who are looking to cheat put themselves in situations where they have the opportunity? Those in the second category are almost always looking for the opportunity. I would guess it is fairly rare that a man looking to live a faithful life is suddenly confronted by an opportunity to cheat that he cannot resist.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by Samdari
Dating a girl in college, and hooking up with a different girl at a party is what I was thinking of as not in the same category. In either situation, the term girlfriend is frequently used.

Fair enough, I see your point.

In my mind, I didn't have a "girlfriend" until I had made to her some sort of commitment (beyond swapping spit). And once I had done that, I felt that the bright line had been established.

But if you're using "girlfriend" to mean anyone with whom you have a relatiosnship of any level, committed or otherise, then I can certainly agree with your statement.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Samdari
Well, I think our differences here, QS, are those of definition. If you have promised someone you will be their life partner, and live that life without necesarily formalizing it, then break that promise, that is equivalent to cheating on your wife. Dating a girl in college, and hooking up with a different girl at a party is what I was thinking of as not in the same category. In either situation, the term girlfriend is frequently used.

And oykib, do you really thing most men would cheat if given the chance? Or do you think men who are looking to cheat put themselves in situations where they have the opportunity? Those in the second category are almost always looking for the opportunity. I would guess it is fairly rare that a man looking to live a faithful life is suddenly confronted by an opportunity to cheat that he cannot resist.

To part 1, I'd say that if you're in a committed relationship and not just casually dating, it's still a fair transgression, especially if the tryst doesn't end said relationship. Nothing trumps cheating on a spouse in a marriage though.

As for part 2....I'd say the percentages increase dramatically for those directly offered an opportunity, as there's much more of a chance of weakness. But I don't think these opportunities just all of a sudden pop up...you've got to be dumb enough to put yourself in the right (wrong) setting first in most cases, then you begin to do things that seem innocent, then you're at risk of starting down that road. Similar to the theory that alcohol and pot puts you at a greater risk of experimenting with harder drugs. Similar to the theory that if you're a pro athlete, being in the vicinity of a strip club puts you at much greater a risk for getting in trouble :)

[Blackadar]

<b>I win...

Don't bother posting because I won't read it, nor do I care what you have to say.

~Still Undefeated

Billy Madison</b>

This has got to be the biggest pussy retort I've ever seen on this board. LMAO!