My weird dream last night....

[Abe Sargent]

Thought I'd share this with you, since it's all weird:



It starts out in English class, where a paper is due that I had to do. It was a biographical assignment. I chose to do it on Matteo Sereni, goalkeeper for the Ipswich Town Football Club, a Division 1 team in England. Matteo is Italian.

Later in the dream, we are visited by the President of Serbia-Montenegro. He is the first democratically elected President in Serbian history. However, his policies and changes are meeting resistance in certain old line areas.

As such, there are rumors of a possible coup and/or assassination. The Serbian-Montenegran President does not know who to trust, so he deiceds to come to our house.

Back in my father's college days, he roomed with the now President of Serbia-Montenegro. The current President apparently came to get his college education in America and was a good friend of my father's. Although they had not talked in years, the Preisdent knew that he could trust my father, his old friend, and the Baptist minister.

While staying with us, my father convinces the Serbian president, who is devoutly Orthodox, to speak at our church meeting on Sunday about Christianity in the Balkans. The President agrees.

The President of Serbia-Montenegro does not like me, but treats me with marginal respect. He does not warm up to others easily, and does not like that I am very open. During our first meeting, I tell him that "I don't want anything to happen to you, although i am not a fan of all of your policies." Still, it's honesty and openness and that's exactly why he is holing up at my father's until the traitors are revealed.

When he speaks at the church, he mentions several prominant people who wished him luck and helped out his charities. One of which was, you guessed it, Matteo Sereni.

When I hear Matteo's name I gasp. The pieces fit! I dash home to retrieve my paper for English class. During my research on the Italian Goalkeeper, I found out that he had been purchasing large swaths of land in northern Montenegro. I present the information to the President.

Together, the President and I begin to fit the pieces together. Someone has been leading and fomenting rebellion but the President has been completely unable to find out who. Because he is looking inside his country, not outside of it. Meanwhile, you have Matteo showing up at charity events, buying large tracts of lands, and setting up an infrastructure. The President recalls watching a conversation between Matteo and his leading general. He thought it was just innocent chatter at the time.

So the President takes off and captures Matteo Sereni at his new ranch in Montenegro, catching the goalkeeper by suprise. They find a lot of munitions and the like.

All is saved.


What a weird dream that was.


-Anxiety

[JeeberD]

Damn, wish I dreamed about presidents and soccer players... :(

[ice4277]

Thankfully I sold Matteo Sereni to Brescia in my current CM dynasty...can you imagine the negative press we would have received had he still been with us??

[tucker342]

I wish I had dreams that interesting.... most of my dreams are about school. No not sex in school, but just school:mad:

[korme]

Anxiety, that is possibly the most detailed dream I've ever heard of.

[TLK]

Ever have one of them dreams that blur the lines of reality? On more than one occasion, I thought I was going to wake-up with my ex next to me. Thank God it was only a dream :)

[cuervo72]

I've had detailed dreams in the past, but can't remember any at the moment. The weird thing that I've noticed is that I'll be doing some mundane task, and all of a sudden I'll have a flashback recollection of a dream that I had years before (it's actually happened to me two or three times in the past month). Very strange feeling.

[Ben E Lou]

The weird thing about my dreams is that whenever something dangerous is about to happen, i always know that I'm dreaming. For example, I dreamed the other night that I had stopped my car on the side of the intersate and stepped into the woods, into a clearing out of sight of the highway to urinate. Well, a large grizzly bear entered the clearing from the other side right after I had whipped it out. I noticed a big rock on the ground, but the grizzly was a long way away from me. As I was thinking whether to let him get closer to me then peg him in the forehead with the rock, or to try to outrun him back to the car, the thought occurred to me, "This is just a dream, Ben, so pick up the rock and wing it at him like a REAL man! If you miss, or it doesn't kill him, you can always just wake up."

I pretty much always take the dangerous course of action when dreaming, because I somehow realize that I am dreaming... Odd...

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by SkyDog
For example, I dreamed the other night that I had stopped my car on the side of the intersate and stepped into the woods, into a clearing out of sight of the highway to urinate. Well, a large grizzly bear entered the clearing from the other side right after I had whipped it out.

This doesn't have anything to do with "making my dream come true" from the other thread, does it SD? :p

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
This doesn't have anything to do with "making my dream come true" from the other thread, does it SD? :p :D

[cuervo72]

A friend of mine once lent me a book titled something like "X Steps to More Lucid Dreams", which is supposed to make you aware that you are dreaming and be able to influence your dreams. I've done this a few times, though in most cases if I am in danger or am even too stressed, I'll make myself wake up ("ok, this is enough, I'm outta here").

I've heard it said that you won't ever die in one of your dreams...I don't know if that's true. I had a dream once where I was checking my mail at one of the apartments I had in college, where the mail room was inside the building but not behind a locked door (there was a second, locked door to get in the rest of the building). In the dream I was shot (in the head no less), heard the bang and saw a big flash, like the time I took a knee to the head in football. Right after the flash I woke up.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by SkyDog
I pretty much always take the dangerous course of action when dreaming, because I somehow realize that I am dreaming... Odd...

I get the self-awares ense in many of my dreams, also. I typically don't have quite the presence of mind you describe (to be defiant or bold in the dream because of this), but I am fairly often aware that I am dreaming.

Sometimes, though, when I have certain dreams that have recurred for me (I have a few of them) I will be experiencing the dream, and while in the dream I think or say to myself "Dammit! And I thought I was dreaming this all those times, and now it turns out to really be true!" It's sort of one extra 180 degree twist on the same thing you describe... in my latest dream, I am aware of the things that the waking me remembered about my previous dreams, but I fail to recognize that I am in fact just having more or less the same dream again. (Hope that made sense)

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by cuervo72
I've heard it said that you won't ever die in one of your dreams...I don't know if that's true.

After watching the movie What Dreams May Come, I had a recurring dream for a month or two about my wife's life after I died. So, I didn't actually die in the dream, but it kind of picked up with my death and I just watched things play out. That movie fucked with my head, as my wife was pregnant at the time we saw it and the whole idea of losing a child and then a spouse stayed with me for a few weeks after we saw that movie.

[Franklinnoble]

I took a class in dream interpretation in college.

My guess is I'd get an "A" on this assignment if I concluded that this dream means you want to have sex with your mother.

[RPI-Fan]

I've also heard the thing about not being able to die in your dreams, and have some mixed thoughts on it...

A long time ago, I seem to remember having died in a dream. But I can only remember that vaguely. More recently, I have some more dreams with more concrete recollections. Both times, I was shot in the head (the second time having walked out of the gate of my sister's apartment into the middle of unrelated gunfire). I was dragged to some sort of mob morgue, pretending all along that I was dead (though knowing I was alive). When I got there, I accidentally revealed that I was indeed alive, and they didn't kill me so long as I joined their 'circle of trust' and stayed in their mob-thing.

Weird stuff. But it's led me to believe that dying in dreams has something weird attached with it. I don't know whether or not it's possible, but it certainly seems to warrant its own rules.

~rpi-fan

[QuikSand]

Maybe there's some thing about your own first-person perspective of death that's just antithetical to the whole dream regimen? If you really die in your dream - what happens (in the draem)? Do you just go black? Do you start seeing things going on around your body? Do you see the strange light and run toward it? Do you instantly revert to a shape as a grasshopper, or whatever your chosen next life is? Who knows.

But if the answer, in your subconscious, is that you just "go black" - maybe your subconscious mind (who's running the show here) basically says - "the whole point of this dreaming stuff is that we keep the mind fairly active, at the appropriate level... if we go black, that's not doing the job properly."

In this way, it certainly seems possible that the reason we don't die in our dreams is not that there's some weirdo spooky "silver cord" that connects our dream selves and our regular selves... but rather the simple fact that it would be boring as hell if we did.

[ice4277]

I go into work early (have to be in at 4:30am), and while driving into work there is a syndicated talk show on one of the local radio stations that deals with occult/paranormal-type happenings. Just last Friday they had a guy on who was talking about dreams and how you can control/analyze them. He also went on about how you get these sort of 'spirit guides' in your dreams who can help you along the way, etc. Not so sure about that stuff, but esentially he said that one of the ways to get yourself into a lucid dreaming state is to make sure when you go to sleep that you clear your mind and become very relaxed. Haven't really tried it but it does seem interesting; and there really is nothing more trippy than being in the middle of a dream, realizing you're in the dream, but having no way to get out of it. That happens to me every few months, pretty weird.

[korme]

I heard as well that you cannot die in your dreams, but also if you DO die in your dreams, you have a heart attack or something and really die because you felt that really happened. So in turn, die in your dreams, and die in real life, buddy.

[tucker342]

I've died before in my dreams. Usually it just goes black....

[Abe Sargent]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
I took a class in dream interpretation in college.

My guess is I'd get an "A" on this assignment if I concluded that this dream means you want to have sex with your mother.

Which one, mine or SkyDog's? I mean, I see SD's dream being about women.

Think of it - Man whips out his penis. Big fur comes at it. Should I run? (no women for me, I'm gay) Or ejaculate? (throw a rock)

-Anxiety

[mckerney]

I die sometimes in my dreams, but luckily all of my dreams seem to have a save game feature.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by mckerney
I die sometimes in my dreams, but luckily all of my dreams seem to have a save game feature.

HA!

[Craptacular]

I had a recurring dream about being chased around a kids camp by a half-man, half-Barkley (from Sesame Street) creature.

[RPI-Fan]

Originally posted by Shorty3281
I heard as well that you cannot die in your dreams, but also if you DO die in your dreams, you have a heart attack or something and really die because you felt that really happened. So in turn, die in your dreams, and die in real life, buddy.

In my opinion, that is way too shallow to be lent any credence. QuikSand's idea, right or wrong, is much more logical.

Aside from that, though, I checked out a couple websites... this quote from website picqued my interest a bit.

http://www.guidetopsychology.com/dreams.htm

Sometimes people complain of having disturbing dreams with unpleasant images, despite leading a seemingly peaceful waking life. And so they wonder, “What is my unconscious mind trying to tell me?”

There can be several reasons for such dreams.

First, the dreams could be unconscious advice. Maybe in some way you are betraying yourself, forgetting something, or not fulfilling a potential. For example, persons on the edge of a midlife career change may have dreams about being in school and searching for a missing classroom, or they may find themselves in a class about to take a final exam while realizing that they completely forgot to attend the class all year. Thus the feeling of panic in the dream points to the real feeling of panic in their current life about the failure of their present career.

Second, the dreams could be an admonition, based in guilt. Imagine, for example, that you are embezzling the bank for which you work. Then you start having dreams about burglars breaking into your home. Well, the dreams are simply a depiction of something happening to you that is similar to the hurt or moral injury you are inflicting on someone else. This same dynamic often occurs in children’s nightmares: in waking life, children often experience angry feelings toward their parents and yet lack the cognitive capacity to express these feelings openly; so, in unconscious guilt, the anger becomes turned against themselves as threatening nightmare images.

Third, the dreams could be hints of a repressed trauma. As I say above, nightmares often accompany the emotional pain of a traumatic event experienced in adulthood. But if a trauma in childhood is repressed, dreams reflecting the emotional intensity of the trauma can persist throughout life until the trauma is eventually brought to conscious awareness and healed.

Fourth, the dreams could be psychic premonitions. This is a rare phenomenon, but it does happen to some persons. In fact, it happened to me at least once. In the dream, I saw several persons in a small river canyon playing in the shallow water and even sliding over a small waterfall. Suddenly a huge surge of water came down the river and carried everyone away with it. The next morning, a headline in a newspaper caught my attention. As I read the article, I must have stopped breathing. Several adventurers, on an excursion in the Swiss mountains to “body surf” in river rapids and waterfalls the previous day, had been killed when a sudden storm surge rushed down a canyon and swept them away. Nevertheless, my advice here is to ignore such dreams. After all, if they don’t provide sufficient details about when, where, and to whom the event will happen, so that the event might be prevented, then what good are such premonitions?

My dream about walking out of the gates of the apartment and being caught in a crossfire is a bit concerning after reading this (though I take it all with a grain of salt - trust me, I'm not planning mine or anyone else's epithat based on this stuff).

My dream only fits in the 4th category - the unconcious advice stuff doesn't match, don't think it's guilt (I don't _recall_ murdering anybody in real life), don't think it's trauma (never knew anybody who was shot, or died in South Troy (where the apartment is)). Then again, I also don't think it's a psychic premonition. But if I had to pick one, that'd be it.

With regard the guys' 'premonition' above (ala Early Edition), I wonder if maybe he had the radio on as he went to sleep, and heard that story, or had the TV news on. The sound waves were able to enter his brain through his ears, and the brain processed these waves the ideas presented in his dream came out. Just a thought.

Regardless, I've always _loved_ this topic, and will continue to read up on it.

~rpi-fan

[mckerney]

Dreams show your mentalities as well. I had one that showed I have the mentality of a 12 year old in my enjoyment of cartoons, comics, and super heros. For instance, take one dream that I had, in which during part of it I was having sex with a girl. This, however, did not interest me much as I was also superman, something I was far more excited about.

[Airhog]

I have had at least one Psychic Premonition.

There is a waterpark near my house, and I drempt that I was at this waterpark, with some girl I didnt know. I saw her face and everything, and it was etched into my mind pretty firmly. 2 weeks later a new girl starts at my school, and it is the girl in my dream.

[cuervo72]

First, the dreams could be unconscious advice. Maybe in some way you are betraying yourself, forgetting something, or not fulfilling a potential. For example, persons on the edge of a midlife career change may have dreams about being in school and searching for a missing classroom, or they may find themselves in a class about to take a final exam while realizing that they completely forgot to attend the class all year. Thus the feeling of panic in the dream points to the real feeling of panic in their current life about the failure of their present career.

Damn....I used to have dreams like these all the time. I'd either forget about a class, or forget where the room is for that class, or miss a big test, or forget the combination on my locker , etc. Always occurred in my high school. I thankfully haven't had one of these in at least a year. I can't recall if they happened more around when I moved to my current job (3+ years ago) or not.

[Abe Sargent]

I didn't have any cool dreams last night that I remember. Sorry guys.

-Anxiety

[tucker342]

Almost all of my dreams take place at school, it drives me crazy...

[JeeberD]

I hate it when I have work dreams. Such as I have a 20 table section (in real life we have 3 to 6 tables each) and they all get seated at once. I used to have dreams like that all the time. Luckily I haven't been having them lately. Wind up waking up more exhausted than when I went to sleep...

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by cuervo72
Damn....I used to have dreams like these all the time. I'd either forget about a class, or forget where the room is for that class, or miss a big test, or forget the combination on my locker , etc. Always occurred in my high school. I thankfully haven't had one of these in at least a year. I can't recall if they happened more around when I moved to my current job (3+ years ago) or not.

I still have a pretty common string of dreams along these lines, almost all of them taking place in college (though I am usually of my current post-collegiate age). Most often, I am back in school... and then frequently find myself in one of the (very common) scenarios described above -- day of the final and I blew off the whole class, that sort of thing. (Having lived through some things close to that, it hits home a bit)

This is one of the dream situations I described earlier... I frequently will be having this drea, I'm back in college, and one of my prominent thoughts is basically "I knew I was really back in college -- and that I wasn't really dreaming all those other times I told myself I was just dreaming about being back in college."

Hmm... I wonder what the boundaries of self-reference might be with this? What if I have a dream tonight about going back to college, and then in my dream I remember writing on this forum about all these "dreams" that I (inside the dream) now believe to be real?

Woudl the fact that I now writing about that dream have an effect? Could I be lucidly thinking in the dream "okay, this is what I thought might happen..." as I'm dreaming?

This gets complicated.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by Airhog
I have had at least one Psychic Premonition.

There is a waterpark near my house, and I drempt that I was at this waterpark, with some girl I didnt know. I saw her face and everything, and it was etched into my mind pretty firmly. 2 weeks later a new girl starts at my school, and it is the girl in my dream.


For what it's worth, a skeptic might suggest that your unconscious mind can get pretty tricky with you here. In fact, it's possible that what happened is that the dream girl's face was a strong impression in your mind, but one that lacked a certain degree of clarity (hard to explain clearly). But indeed, when you saw the new girl, there was enough of a similarity between her and the girl from your dream that you not only think they are/were the same girl, but you retriactively attached the real girl's features onto the memory you hold of the dream girl. (If that makes any sense)

It's a phenomenon that is know to happen sometimes with eyewitness ientifications in crimes. Sometimes, a person is placed before a lineup or a set of photographs, and makes a strong positive identification. They swear up and down that they "would never forget the face" of the criminal - and "it's that guy," for certain. When evidence makes it clear that the identified person was not the perpetrator (he's an undercover cop placed into the lineup, or DNA evidence clears him), then the witness is at a loss. Psychologists suggest that this kind of memory transference is something that can happen in this scenario, and is particularly common with people's faces (which we generally aren't all that good at remembering in detail).

And in these cases, the witness is making a good faith interpretation of his or her memory - it's just that the memory seems to have an ability to "graft" onto a more recent bit of information, completely unbeknownst to the witness.


Not trying to be dismissive of your story... it just raises what I find to be a pretty interesting psychological phenomenon, which might well be at the root of your curious case.

[Abe Sargent]

Just took a nap and had a weird ream again. It was pretty good. But I can't remember it all. I know that it involved a redheaded chick who was really hot and "The One" for me. And it also involved some oher pretty lady named Jennifer. I know that The One really liked the size of my penis, she said it was the largest she had ever seen, but since it was her period we couldn't do anything. I promised her that we could wait. Anyways, The One, was really hot and popular and stuff. And little old nerdy me didn't stand a chence with her, except for the length of my penis, which impressed her.

Of course, I managed to screw things up with The One by having previously fooled around that evening with Jennifer. And when The One found out, she went and told Jennifer, so that both left me.

Ah well.

-Anxiety

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by QuikSand
I still have a pretty common string of dreams along these lines, almost all of them taking place in college (though I am usually of my current post-collegiate age). Most often, I am back in school... and then frequently find myself in one of the (very common) scenarios described above -- day of the final and I blew off the whole class, that sort of thing. (Having lived through some things close to that, it hits home a bit)

This is one of the dream situations I described earlier... I frequently will be having this drea, I'm back in college, and one of my prominent thoughts is basically "I knew I was really back in college -- and that I wasn't really dreaming all those other times I told myself I was just dreaming about being back in college."

Hmm... I wonder what the boundaries of self-reference might be with this? What if I have a dream tonight about going back to college, and then in my dream I remember writing on this forum about all these "dreams" that I (inside the dream) now believe to be real?

Woudl the fact that I now writing about that dream have an effect? Could I be lucidly thinking in the dream "okay, this is what I thought might happen..." as I'm dreaming?

This gets complicated.

What if in your dream, you're writing on this forum? :eek: :)

In my "school" dreams, I believe I began to realize I'd been down the same road many times - "damn, I can't believe I'm doing this again". Another strange aspect about the dream is that the subject I had neglected was usually English or History. Neither were major focal points in my education; from very early on I assumed I would go into a mathematics/engineering related field.

I've kicked around a theory (not a serious one) on dreams where the brain is analagous to a computer. During our waking hours, we take in a certain amount of information into our RAM. Once asleep, our brain sifts through this information, writing it to our ROM, at high speeds. Everything gets jumbled together while processing, but there is a part of our brain which is still reviewing the info, and interprets it in dream form.

In recurring dreams, the must keep trying to access a bad sector or something :D

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by Anxiety
Just took a nap and had a weird ream again.

I didn't even have to pull a Fritz and edit your quote to get a laugh.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally posted by QuikSand
I didn't even have to pull a Fritz and edit your quote to get a laugh.

HAHAHA - I don't edit my posts before submitting them, so, occasionally, my fingers miss a key or hit an extra key, and boom! Comedy Magic occurs.


-Anxiety

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by Anxiety
I don't edit my posts before submitting them, so, occasionally, my fingers miss a key or hit an extra key

I'm not exactly one to be critical of typos... I think I have mis-typed more words on this forum than most people have submitted in total.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by QuikSand
I'm not exactly one to be critical of typos... I think I have mis-typed more words on this forum than most people have submitted in total.

Yes, but look at how many more words you have typed than anyone else. I guess that would make you the Grammatical Cy Young of FOFC.

[SunDancer]

Man, humankind is a complex but exciting thing.

I heard that when you die, and having dreams that you die in, they can tell as your eyelids have the last thing you see backwards.

[mckerney]

these are the kinda things i fantasize about at night. like...i don't dream about girls. i dream about capes...mmmmm....capes and leather Robin Hood boots and gloves with fringe and swords and stuff...

[JeeberD]

Originally posted by SunDancer
Man, humankind is a complex but exciting thing.

I heard that when you die, and having dreams that you die in, they can tell as your eyelids have the last thing you see backwards.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was debunked a hudred years ago.

That's why murderers in the olden days used to cut out the eyes of their victims. They thought that the last thing they saw was imprinted on the eye and they didn't want to get caught...

[mckerney]

Originally posted by JeeberD
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was debunked a hudred years ago.

That's why murderers in the olden days used to cut out the eyes of their victims. They thought that the last thing they saw was imprinted on the eye and they didn't want to get caught...

You mean I've been cutting out all those eyes for nothing? :rolleyes:

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by SunDancer
Man, humankind is a complex but exciting thing.

I heard that when you die, and having dreams that you die in, they can tell as your eyelids have the last thing you see backwards.

I got news for you... the movie "Wild Wild West" wasn't based on actual events.