THE FOFC ALL-TIME NFL TEAM CHALLENGE

[WSUCougar]

I think most of us know the game of football, enjoy evaluating players in a sim-like manner, and have at least a basic knowledge of the NFL, its players, and its history. Some of us are better at this than others…so here’s the challenge. Which of our greatest football minds can come up with the best all-time team, in a competitive bid format?

Here’s the concept:

1. We, as a group, nominate our 10 challengers. Anyone can nominate someone, including themselves, but THE FIRST 10 NOMINEES TO GET SECONDED & THIRDED ARE IN THE CHALLENGE. They have to accept, of course.

2. We, as a group, decide on the number of players and positions for our all-time team. Example, 1-QB 2-RBs, 1-FB, 2-WRs, 1-TE, 2-Ts, 2-Gs, 1-C, 1-K, 1-P, 1-Returner, 1-Special Teamer, 4-DLs, 4-LBs, 2-CBs, 2-Ss, 1-Coach.

3. We establish a total number of points to spend in bids for their players. Example: 1000

4. The 10 challengers submit blind bids to me via PM. I will then post the current rosters for each challenger; the challenger with the highest bid on a player gains the rights to that player. However, there will obviously be holes in challenger’s lineups (as others bid higher), so this process of blind bidding will continue until every roster is filled.

5. I will then post the 10 challenger’s rosters as a poll, and we will vote to see who compiled the best all-time team!

[JeeberD]

I nominate Marmel.

[Franklinnoble]

I nominate Fritz

[WSUCougar]

I nominate Quiksand & TroyF

[MIJB#19]

Originally posted by WSUCougar
I nominate Quiksand & TroyF That was my instant thought too...

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by MIJB#19
That was my instant thought too...
Is that a "second" for these two?

[primelord]

I'll second Marmel and nominate cthomer

[primelord]

Dola,

Oh and I nominate Solecismic. ;)

[scooper]

Second cthomer and solecismic.

[GrantDawg]

I nominate Chief Rum, and I'll second QS and TroyF if the other wasn't official.

[Bee]

I'll third both Solecismic and Quiksand....that would be a good showdown. :D

[JeeberD]

I'll second cthomer and nominate Anrhydeddu...

[henry296]

I second Anrhydeddu.

[primelord]

I'll third Anrhydeddu

[TLK]

I nominate Senator

[MIJB#19]

My post was supposed to be seconding TroyF and QuikSand.

[cthomer5000]

I'll nomiate Kodos

[WSUCougar]

I'll keep updating this post as the Nomination Update:

Quiksand, TroyF, cthomer5000, primelord, Solecismic, Senator, and Anrhydeddu are in.

Marmel x2
Fritz
Chief Rum x2
Kodos
Shorty3281 x2
Darkiller
Qwikshot x2

[WSUCougar]

I'll nominate primelord

[JeeberD]

I'll second Chief Rum and Senator

[cthomer5000]

I'll second Primelord and nominate Shorty. :)

[EagleFan]

I'll third Senator and nominate Darkiller and Qwikshot.

[scooper]

Second Shorty

[Coffee Warlord]

Third primelord and second qwikshot.

[MIJB#19]

Shouldn't "we" nominate an underdog as well, someone to root for to beat the "obvious" favorites like QS, Troy and Solecismic?

[TroyF]

Thanks for the nominations. :) Sounds like fun, I'll give it a shot.

MIJB,

I don't think many people from this board could be considered underdogs in this. I'd be worried about anyone who gets a nomination. (though QS scares the heck out of me)

TroyF

[JeeberD]

Originally posted by MIJB#19
Shouldn't "we" nominate an underdog as well, someone to root for to beat the "obvious" favorites like QS, Troy and Solecismic?

I thought thats what Shorty was for?

I can see his list now...

Jeff Blake
Ickey Woods
Corey Dillon
Chris Collinsworth

...and so on and so forth...

[cthomer5000]

c'mon someone third shorty.

[TroyF]

OK.

I'll third Shorty. I'll add Cheif Rum and Samdari.

TroyF

[WSUCougar]

I'll keep updating this post as the Nomination Update:

Quiksand, TroyF, Chief Rum, cthomer5000, primelord, Solecismic, Senator, Shorty3281, and Anrhydeddu are in.

Marmel x2
Fritz
Kodos
Samdari
Darkiller
Qwikshot x2
SkyDog x2
DraftDodger

One more to go...

[MIJB#19]

Am I allowed to send in another vote?

One vote for SkyDog here.

[WSUCougar]

Suck up! :D

I'll second SkyDog.

[Swaggs]

I'll nominate DraftDodger (he should be sharp coming off the completion of his historical records). :)

[mrsimperless]

I'll third skydog and nominate cthomer/eagles fan/whats his name

[tucker342]

Marmel

[Chief Rum]

Hey, pretty cool idea. And I was nominated and passed in before I even saw the thread! :)

Ah, I believe in God, but the only thing I fear is Quiksand, methinks. Ouch!

Thanks to those who nominated me. I'll give it my best shot.

I would nominate some myself, but from my count I believe the ten are all in, unless someone declines the invite.

CR

[Blackadar]

I'll second MIJB if needed.

[tucker342]

I'll third MIJB if needed:)

[WSUCougar]

The following have been nominated for the challenge:

Anrhydeddu
Chief Rum (accepted)
cthomer5000
primelord
Quiksand
Senator
Shorty3281
SkyDog
Solecismic
TroyF (accepted)

I am PMing the nominees to alert them and see if they will accept.

Marmel is the first alternate.

The following also received nominations:

Qwikshot x2
Darkiller
DraftDodger
EagleFan
Fritz
Kodos
Samdari

[Anrhydeddu]

I accept. Thanks.

[ColtCrazy]

If someone wants to nominate a no name underdog, I'll gladly do it. Football by far is the sport I study and watch with a passion.

[cthomer5000]

I accept!

[Senator]

I accept. May God have mercy on my soul.

[MIJB#19]

Originally posted by Blackadar:
I'll second MIJB if needed.I though about mentioning you, mainly because I somehow destroyed your chances to beat QuikSand in fantasy football 3 years ago.

Originally posted by tucker342:
I'll third MIJB if needed:)Worth nothing unless someone is going to nominate me, because I won't nominate myself...

[nilodor]

Originally posted by JeeberD
I thought thats what Shorty was for?

I can see his list now...

Jeff Blake
Ickey Woods
Corey Dillon
Chris Collinsworth

...and so on and so forth...

Ickey Woods could have been absolutally amazing. I loved watching that guy, especially when he did the shuffle on the courthouse steps after he was found not guilty of something that eludes me at this general juncture in time.

Anyone remember the Nigerian Nightmare, Christian Okoye. Man was that guy a load.

[Ben E Lou]

1. I need to know when the contest will run. I'll be out of town (at camp with middle school kids) Tuesday-Sunday this coming week, without web access.

2. I suggest that the contest be structured in such a way that the voters don't know which roster belongs to which person. That way those of us who have, um, made a few enemies along the way, wouldn't be hamstrung. ;)

--Ben

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by SkyDog
2. I suggest that the contest be structured in such a way that the voters don't know which roster belongs to which person. That way those of us who have, um, made a few enemies along the way, wouldn't be hamstrung. ;)

--Ben


I think keeping them anonymous for a period of time would be interesting. We could get the unbiased opinions of people before they knew who was behind each team.

[korme]

i'll accept, thanks guys (CTHOMER!!)



i'll third Qwikshot, second Darkiller and DD

[korme]

i'll also nominate scooper and sachmo

[Senator]

I nominate Hell Atlantic

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Senator
I nominate Hell Atlantic

How many positions can Dean Houston play?

TroyF

[primelord]

I accept too. Thanks for the nomination guys.

[MIJB#19]

So, are there 10 in already?

[korme]

not that have accepted, first 10 to accept, and i think only about half have done so

[WSUCougar]

The following have been nominated for the challenge:

Anrhydeddu (accepted)
Chief Rum (accepted)
cthomer5000 (accepted)
primelord (accepted)
Quiksand
Senator (accepted)
Shorty3281 (accepted)
SkyDog
Solecismic
TroyF (accepted)

Marmel is the first alternate.
Qwikshot is the second alternate.

The following also received nominations:

Darkiller x2
DraftDodger x2
EagleFan
Fritz
Hell Atlantic
Kodos
Samdari
sachmo71
scooper

[WSUCougar]

We are awaiting word from Quiksand and Solecismic to see whether they accept their nominations.

In the meantime we can discuss the player rosters and points, however. I suggested 1000 points and the lineup in the first post of the thread. Any comments?

[MIJB#19]

Add a backup QB?
Has recent history not told us that backup QBs can be quite as valuable as starters?

[Syrinx]

I like the idea of a second QB as well.

[MIJB#19]

Any news from QuikSand and Solecismic?

[Solecismic]

I accept. Sorry for the delay - I don't use this browser much. Thanks for thinking of me.

[WSUCougar]

Okay, Jim (Solecismic) has accepted and Quiksand has declined. I believe Skydog's only hesitation was due to his travel schedule last week. I have IM'd Marmel to take QS' place. We should be ready to go soon, although we still need to hammer out points and roster positions.

The following have been nominated for the challenge:

Anrhydeddu (accepted)
Chief Rum (accepted)
cthomer5000 (accepted)
Marmel
primelord (accepted)
Quiksand (declined)
Senator (accepted)
Shorty3281 (accepted)
SkyDog
Solecismic (accepted)
TroyF (accepted)

Qwikshot is the next alternate.

The following also received nominations:

Darkiller x2
DraftDodger x2
EagleFan x2
Fritz x2
Hell Atlantic x2
Kodos x2
sabotai x2
Samdari x2
sachmo71 x2
scooper x2

[sabotai]

2 pages and no one has nominateed me yet?

Fuck you all, I nominate myself!

:D

[Blackadar]

I'll second sabotai as well. Hell, I'll second everyone (except myself).

[Vince]

Bummer that QS doesn't want in...that would be interesting. Good luck guys :) My money's gotta be on Jim...you know he's studied football stats for days.

[WSUCougar]

If any of you challengers are checking in on this thread, I'd appreciate your input on two things, namely the roster slots and points to spend. We've had a suggestion to add a second (backup) QB slot to the list.

1-QB 2-RBs, 1-FB, 2-WRs, 1-TE, 2-Ts, 2-Gs, 1-C, 1-K, 1-P, 1-Returner, 1-Special Teamer, 4-DLs, 4-LBs, 2-CBs, 2-Ss, 1-Coach.

1000 points (to avoid ties for players).

[cthomer5000]

i'll third Kodos.

I think backup QB is pointless. It's not like our guys are going to be injured. I think it might be a more interesting twist if it was up to the coach to play a 3-4 or 4-3 defense, rather than selecting 4 of both.

[Marmel]

I don't know nearly enough to compile an All-Time team. I will pass my spot onto somebody else who would be much more competative.

Thanks anyways.

[WSUCougar]

Marmel has declined. I believe Skydog's only hesitation was due to his travel schedule last week. I have IM'd Qwikshot to take Marmel's place. We should be ready to go soon, although we still need to hammer out points and roster positions.

The following have been nominated for the challenge:

Anrhydeddu (accepted)
Chief Rum (accepted)
cthomer5000 (accepted)
Marmel (declined)
primelord (accepted)
Quiksand (declined)
Qwikshot
Senator (accepted)
Shorty3281 (accepted)
SkyDog
Solecismic (accepted)
TroyF (accepted)

Kodos is the next alternate.

The following also received nominations:

Darkiller x2
DraftDodger x2
EagleFan x2
Fritz x2
Hell Atlantic x2
sabotai x2
Samdari x2
sachmo71 x2
scooper x2

[Ben E Lou]

I'm going to have to decline. It looks like our house is going to be teenager central in the evenings this week, plus football practice started today, so I'd like to get up to the high school a good bit.

[Ben E Lou]

Dola--

But thanks for the invite!

[Qwikshot]

Thanks for the nomination from everyone, I'm amazed I'm held in some regard here...I accept though I must admit I'm not sure how good I'm going to be at this.

[WSUCougar]

Qwikshot has accepted. SkyDog has declined. Kodos declined. Sabotai is up next. We should be ready to go soon, although we still need to hammer out points and roster positions.

The following have been nominated for the challenge:

Anrhydeddu (accepted)
Chief Rum (accepted)
cthomer5000 (accepted)
Kodos (declined)
Marmel (declined)
primelord (accepted)
Quiksand (declined)
Qwikshot (accepted)
sabotai
Senator (accepted)
Shorty3281 (accepted)
SkyDog (declined)
Solecismic (accepted)
TroyF (accepted)

The following also received nominations:

Darkiller x2
DraftDodger x2
EagleFan x2
Fritz x2
Hell Atlantic x2
Samdari x2
sachmo71 x2
scooper x2

[Kodos]

Hey guys. Thanks for the nomination, but I'm going to decline as well. I am not nearly as knowledgeable as some others on this board when it comes to football. I will third sabotai though! :)

[WSUCougar]

Updated - sabotai, you're up!

[sabotai]

Well well well. Looks like it's up to me to save this little contest thingy. :D

I accept.

Now...what is this challenge about?

[sabotai]

dola,

my thoughts.

THe total number of points given out to each person is pretty irrelevant. The amount of our bids will be dependant on the total number we have (start out with), so it really doesn't matter. If we increase it, we'll just be increasing the amount of the bids by the same factor.

I think 1000 is good because it gives us enough to bid with, but not really have the fear that we'll run out of points (like say if we had 100) and it gives us enough that there will probably not be any ties. (If we do, they'll be rare).

If we are going for all time-starters, I think we should pick either a 4-3 or 3-4 standard and only have 1 RB. All other positions seem to be exclusive to starts (2 WR, 1 TE, 2 T, etc.)

[WSUCougar]

We have our 10 guys in place. I have listed the proposed roster slots below, with one RB and a DL/LB option (for 4-3 vs. 3-4). There is currently no differentiation between DEs and DTs, or OLBs and MLBs. The bid point pool is 1000, divided in any manner amongst the roster slots. We will proceed as soon as everyone checks in and approves.

Challengers: Please check in with either your approval or suggested changes for these parameters ASAP. Thanks!

The challengers:

Anrhydeddu*
Chief Rum*
cthomer5000*
primelord*
Qwikshot
sabotai*
Senator*
Shorty3281*
Solecismic*
TroyF*

*Approved parameters

NFL All-Time Roster Slots:
Head Coach
QB
RB
FB
WR
WR
TE
C
G
G
T
T
K
P
Return specialist
Special Teamer
DL
DL
DL
DL or LB
LB
LB
LB
CB
CB
S
S

1000 points

[primelord]

That looks good to me.

[Senator]

good.

What happens if someone runs out of points before they are through?

IE. Shorty takes Chris Collinsworth for 800 and has to spread 200 among the other Bengals.

[cthomer5000]

i like it. Hopefully everyone will just play by the honor system when it comes to DE/DT's. It would be ridiculous to put two DE's inside.

[primelord]

Originally posted by Senator
good.

What happens if someone runs out of points before they are through?

IE. Shorty takes Chris Collinsworth for 800 and has to spread 200 among the other Bengals.

I'm quite certain he can buy the remaining Bengals with those 200 points. ;)

[Anrhydeddu]

I sent this question to Coug but will ask here as well. What if the remaining points are not enough to grab any of the unfulfilled positions?

[primelord]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
I sent this question to Coug but will ask here as well. What if the remaining points are not enough to grab any of the unfulfilled positions?

If you run out of points Lawrence Phillips is assigned to your remaining open positions. :)

[WSUCougar]

Let me know if this doesn't clarify your question(s):

If you do not get player(s) you spent points on, those points are returned to you to spend on the next round. For example, if someone spends 100 points on Joe Montana and I spend only 90, I won't get Montana but I will get the 90 points returned to my bid pool for the next round.

See also rule 4:
Originally posted by WSUCougar
4. The 10 challengers submit blind bids to me via PM. I will then post the current rosters for each challenger; the challenger with the highest bid on a player gains the rights to that player. However, there will obviously be holes in challenger’s lineups (as others bid higher), so this process of blind bidding will continue until every roster is filled.

[JeeberD]

I think what they meant was what if they spend all their points but they still have positions that need to be filled?

[Anrhydeddu]

No that doesn't but I think I figured out what I was missing. After the first round, then all of the roster spots are set back to 0 to bid on again to fill your remaining slots. I had erroneously thought that the previous bid(s) was carried over. Told you that I, in my limited amount of braincells, always have a hard time figuring out your puzzles.

[TroyF]

Looks good WSU.

TroyF

[cthomer5000]

The real challanege becomes either bidding high enough to get the guy you want, or getting a steal on a guy you really want and everyone else overlooks.

[Solecismic]

d'accord (being within a few hundred miles of Montreal, I have to comply with the regulation striking the word "okay" from the English language).

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by Solecismic
d'accord (being within a few hundred miles of Montreal, I have to comply with the regulation striking the word "okay" from the English language). But do you spend half of your "home" nights in San Juan? :D

[Chief Rum]

Looks good to me.

I also thought of a solution if all the points are spent but you don't have all positions full (in the final round, that is). And that is that basically you have to wait until everyone has used their allotment of points. Basically, you will be bidding "0 points" for a player, so anyone with more points would, of course, get that player. But you're not allowed to use the "zero bid" until all points have been allocated on all ten rosters. Then maybe WSUCougar can work up a quick "draft" order or something for those with spots to fill.

So, for instance, let's say I finish off my points but forget to get a Guard, a Returner, and a Cornerback. I will have to wait as the remaining rounds (however many are needed) play out. Then after all points have been allocated, WSU allows me to choose any players remaining I wish to fill those spots (since assumedly the best players will have bee taken in the bidding rounds, this is not a good thing). If there are more than one owner with spots open, then WSU can set up a short draft if needed, and base the order on anything from a roll of the dice to maybe some NFL trivia.

I do have one question. How are we supposed to view these players on our teams? Or, perhaps I mean, how is the contest expecting the FOFC voters out their to view them? When you say which team is best, will you mean "best, considering the whole of their careers" or "best, as they were in their single best season" or "best, as they were at the top of their game"? For instance, few people will likely take much of a chance on an Christian Okoye or a Bo Jackson, but there was a short time when they were considered two of the most bruising, dominant running backs to come into the game. Their careers are paltry next to greats like Payton, Dickerson, Sanders, etc., but an argument could be made they were as good as any one of these players in their respective primes.

So how will the contest instruct the voters to vote? Your answer, I am sure, will deeply affect bidding choices, I would imagine--it certainly would mine.

Chief Rum

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by Chief Rum
I also thought of a solution if all the points are spent but you don't have all positions full (in the final round, that is). And that is that basically you have to wait until everyone has used their allotment of points. Basically, you will be bidding "0 points" for a player, so anyone with more points would, of course, get that player. But you're not allowed to use the "zero bid" until all points have been allocated on all ten rosters. Then maybe WSUCougar can work up a quick "draft" order or something for those with spots to fill.
I think this is a good idea, and similar to what I had in mind. I would suggest that all roster slots have to be paid for with at least 1 point (rather than buying them with zero), but the theory would be the same as Chief proposes.

How are we supposed to view these players on our teams? Or, perhaps I mean, how is the contest expecting the FOFC voters out their to view them? When you say which team is best, will you mean "best, considering the whole of their careers" or "best, as they were in their single best season" or "best, as they were at the top of their game"? For instance, few people will likely take much of a chance on an Christian Okoye or a Bo Jackson, but there was a short time when they were considered two of the most bruising, dominant running backs to come into the game. Their careers are paltry next to greats like Payton, Dickerson, Sanders, etc., but an argument could be made they were as good as any one of these players in their respective primes.

So how will the contest instruct the voters to vote? Your answer, I am sure, will deeply affect bidding choices, I would imagine--it certainly would mine.
An excellent, valid question. Two schools of thought here, at least in my mind. One, we leave it totally open, in a "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" sort of way. Two, we use a Hall of Fame mentality, wherein longevity, team success, etc., enters into the mix to some degree. I kind of like the former route, and we can enhance that further by allowing a small explanation for each selection when it comes to the voter poll. That is, if you want to go with Okoye you can make a brief case as to why you did so.

Also, something I neglected to mention, the rosters will remain anonymous throughout the bid rounds and polling process. I'll reveal them at the end of the challenge. I think it would add a lot to the process though if there was "blind" commentary throughout.

[WSUCougar]

Waiting on Qwikshot, sabotai, and Shorty.

Any other input on Chief's point?

[TroyF]

Assuming our bid points carry over (ie: we bid points on a player but don't get him and therefore don't lose any points) I think it should be a requirement you bid at least one point on every player. If you waste all 1000 bid points and forget a guard, life sucks.

We have 10 teams to fill up over 80 years worth of players. That's a ton of all-stars and hall of famers. Part of your strategy should be which positions you are going to devote very little on.

I also don't like writing explanations before the polling. I planned on writing a mini-dynasty report on the whole process. What my first thoughts were, what my picks were, why I set up my team the way I did, etc. I figured on releasing it after all of the polling was over. (maybe it's just my excuse to finally add something to the dynasty forum)

TroyF

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by TroyF
I planned on writing a mini-dynasty report on the whole process. What my first thoughts were, what my picks were, why I set up my team the way I did, etc. I figured on releasing it after all of the polling was over. (maybe it's just my excuse to finally add something to the dynasty forum)

TroyF
I like this idea.

[Qwikshot]

I will read everything over...so far I'm okay with everything...I get Brian Bosworth though (jk).

[korme]

harder than i thought.. and i really had no idea how many points would be enough to get anyone.. :/ hope i did okay

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by Shorty3281
harder than i thought.. and i really had no idea how many points would be enough to get anyone.. :/ hope i did okay
Actually, Shorty, we were just finalizing the format at this point, but I'll take that for your approval.

[korme]

oh, lol

yeah, i approve :D

[JeeberD]

Originally posted by Qwikshot
I will read everything over...so far I'm okay with everything...I get Brian Bosworth though (jk).

Not so fast. Boz is property of the El Paso Busters. Back off, buddy... :D

[sabotai]

I approve.

"An excellent, valid question. Two schools of thought here, at least in my mind. One, we leave it totally open, in a "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" sort of way. Two, we use a Hall of Fame mentality, wherein longevity, team success, etc., enters into the mix to some degree. I kind of like the former route, and we can enhance that further by allowing a small explanation for each selection when it comes to the voter poll. That is, if you want to go with Okoye you can make a brief case as to why you did so."

While I do like the "eye of the beholder" thing and the breif explanation, I don't think they quite fit for this contest.

And if the rosters are going to remain anonymous, then we shouldn't have a "case made" for a person. A person's writing style might give away who they are.

Maybe have a little bio thing. Like:

T BlahBlah Man
HOF Tackle - Cleveland '42 - '51

Something like that.

I think we should be clear on what we are polling though. If it's all-time best teams of all-time best players (career), or if it's "My team would beat your team in a game" (this would open it up for the Bo Jacksons of history) type teams.

[Chief Rum]

I agree with sabotai.

Maybe we should do a quick vote on whether we should do a "my team beats your team" thing, with all players considered as they were in their prime, or a "best all time players teams", which is more career-oriented.

I would vote for the "best in their prime" teams and focus the polling on which team would beat the others. Heck, we might even open this up to get up to 16 teams, if you were interested, WSUCougar, and do a head-to-head tournament to determine the ultimate champ (each "game" determined by vote of FOFC, of course).

But I wouldn't be bummed if we went the career route either. Just suggesting possibilities. BTW, no reason a tournament wouldn't work with career-based teams either.

The explanation thing in the "eye of the beholder" scenario does seem to be a bit of work and I agree that it could also tip off who the team owner is. It's not a bad idea, but I don't think it would work well here.

One thing we might do is pick a year in the player's career as the year we are referring to for him, at least in the "best in their prime" contest. There are no explanations and no giveaways for what owners have what teams then.

Troy, it's funny you should mention doing a dynasty of how you picked your team. I was thinking about doing the same thing. :)

I'm looking forward to getting started.

Chief Rum

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by Chief Rum
Maybe we should do a quick vote on whether we should do a "my team beats your team" thing, with all players considered as they were in their prime, or a "best all time players teams", which is more career-oriented.
Yeah, that sounds good, although unfortunately "quick" is a relative term. :p

One concern I have with selecting players in their prime and a "my team beats your team" set up is that you open it up for the one-hit wonders like Timmy Smith in the Super Bowl. So many players can be great on any given day in the NFL. Can we at least require that a player has one season of elite-level play?

Also, Senator will be out of contact for two weeks from 7/31, so we either need to expedite this or select an alternate.

[WSUCougar]

bump

Any final input before we pull the trigger on this puppy?

[Qwikshot]

I'm sorry to do this, but due to personal problems at home, I have to bow out. I am going to be without internet after two weeks and there is no timetable on my return (except for brief visits while at work). I apologize for any problems caused by this, but it is something unexepected and beyond my control.

Sorry again.

[WSUCougar]

Okay, here’s the set-up:

• Each challenger will get an IM from me to initiate the challenge. The first round is due to me via PM by Friday, 8/1.

• Submit the players for each roster slot (copy the list below), as well as your point bid for each. You must bid at least one point on every player. Spend all 1000 points, since you will get points returned to your pool for the next round for players you get outbid on.

• Teams should be selected based on players in their prime, and on the head-to-head, “my team beats your team” concept.

• Since Qwikshot and Senator are unavailable, we now have eight challengers, which is perfect for a short tournament (winners to be voted on in FOFC polls). Once the rosters are in place I will post the initial pairings. Teams will remain anonymous until the end of the challenge.

The challengers:

Anrhydeddu
Chief Rum
cthomer5000
primelord
sabotai
Shorty3281
Solecismic
TroyF


NFL All-Time Roster Slots:
Head Coach
QB
RB
FB
WR
WR
TE
C
G
G
T
T
K
P
Return specialist
Special Teamer
DL
DL
DL
DL or LB
LB
LB
LB
CB
CB
S
S

1000 points

[WSUCougar]

Update:

I have six roster submittals in hand and am waiting on two, and then we'll proceed with the first round. Based on my initial peek, this is going to be pretty wild!

Stay tuned...

[TroyF]

WSU,

Did you get mine? It had a glitch when I sent it out, just want to make sure I'm not one of the two you are waiting on.

I imagine it will be pretty wild. :) I had a lot of fun putting it together. I'm just praying a couple of guys slipped through the cracks. :)

TroyF

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by TroyF
I'm just praying a couple of guys slipped through the cracks. :)

TroyF

My guess is, we're ALL hoping for that. I can't wait to see the outcome of round 1.

[WSUCougar]

Yep, I did indeed get yours Troy. But after a cursory glance, you'll have a few holes to fill... :D

Originally posted by TroyF
WSU,

Did you get mine? It had a glitch when I sent it out, just want to make sure I'm not one of the two you are waiting on.

[Buccaneer]

It was interesting coming up with a bidding strategy, I hope it doesn't backfire on me.

[TroyF]

WSU,

I figure I'll have a lot of holes to fill. I really waffled on my bidding strategy. Like Buc, I hope it didn't backfire too badly.

TroyF

[WSUCougar]

On the flip side, there's some real steals in the mix thusfar. I can't believe that some of these "cheap" guys will make it through!

[Buccaneer]

I'm praying hard, Chris.

[TroyF]

I'm praying too. . . I expected I'd lose on a lot of my guys. I just want a couple of those "sleeper" type guys to sneak through.

TroyF

[WSUCougar]

Okay, all initial entries have been received. I'll process the bids and see where things stand, then post the anonymous results for comment.

Note: In the event of a tie bid, no one will get the player for that round.

Another Note: Regardless of which position they are tagged for, a player may only be on one roster, and will go to the high bidder.

[primelord]

Originally posted by WSUCougar
Note: In the event of a tie bid, no one will get the player for that round.

Hmm that's making me think I shouldn't have used so many round numbers.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by primelord
Hmm that's making me think I shouldn't have used so many round numbers.

Round 2 will be even more interesting if a lot of ties force some big name players back into the bidding.

[cthomer5000]

oh man, the suspense is killing me.

[WSUCougar]

Okay, the bids from Round 1 have been compiled, with some very intriguing results. There were some fierce bidding wars, as was to be expected, but surprisingly not at quarterback. Jerry Rice was a hot commodity, and very expensive.

Please add comments to the discussion!

Here are the rosters through the first round. Team numbers were selected at random. The second round deadline is Monday, 8/11. Good luck!

Team I:
LB Jack Lambert, CB Deion Sanders and S Larry Wilson were won in bid battles.
None of his backs and offensive linemen survived the 1st round bidding war. Pass-rusher DL Charles Haley came cheap, but was out-bid for other big name d-linemen.

Coach -
QB Steve Young (80)
RB -
FB -
WR -
WR Paul Warfield (25)
TE Ozzie Newsome (10)
C -
G -
G -
T -
T -
K -
P Sean Landeta (5)
Rtn Mel Gray (10)
ST -
DL Charles Haley (5)
DL -
DL -
DL -
LB Jack Lambert (65)
LB -
LB -
CB Deion Sanders (30)
CB -
S -
S Larry Wilson (20)
Remaining points: 750

Team II:
Missed out on some big-name, prevalent players (Jerry Rice, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lott), but landed several others in tight bid wars. Stole Dan Marino uncontested. Elite foundation on both sides of the ball.

Coach: -
QB: Dan Marino (15)
RB: Walter Payton (72)
FB: Larry Csonka (15)
WR: -
WR: Steve Largent (15)
TE: Kellen Winslow (71)
C: Mike Webster (15)
G: Gene Upshaw (15)
G: -
T: Anthony Munoz (71)
T: Jackie Slater (15)
K: Lou Groza (15)
P: Ray Guy (15)
Ret: -
ST: -
DL: Joe Greene (72)
DL: Merlin Olsen (15)
DL: -
DL: -
LB: -
LB: Mike Singletary (71)
LB: Kevin Greene (15)
CB: Mel Blount (71)
CB: Darrell Green (15)
S: -
S: Paul Krause (15)
Remaining points: 392

Team III:
Won some key bid wars (Deacon Jones, Ronnie Lott) and also took some less-prevalent players to flesh out roster. D-line and d-backfield are complete, but has a significant hole at offensive tackle.

Coach: Joe Gibbs (30)
QB: Otto Graham (5)
RB: Gayle Sayers (100)
FB: Marion Motley (101)
WR: Lance Alworth (50)
WR: -
TE: Dave Kasper (30)
C: Clyde "Bulldog" Turner (2)
G: -
G: Bruce Matthews (5)
T: -
T: -
K: Adam Vinatieri (2)
P: Jim Thorpe (2)
Ret: Desmond Howard (10)
ST: Jerald Sowell (2)
DL: Deacon Jones (100)
DL: Lee Roy Selmon (10)
DL: Alan Page (2)
DL: Joe Klecko (2)
LB: -
LB: Carl Banks (2)
LB: Sam Huff (2)
CB: Ronnie Lott (120)
CB: Dick Lane (90)
S: Rod Woodson (50)
S: Jack Tatum (15)
Remaining points: 268

Team IV:
Team has a rather modern composition. Missed on some prevalent, high-ticket guys (Montana, Rice, Munoz, White, Taylor, Singletary, Lambert Lott).

Coach - Bill Parcells (50)
QB: -
RB: Bo Jackson (100)
FB: Mike Alstott (10)
WR: -
WR: Marvin Harrison (10)
TE: Mark Bavaro (35)
C: -
G: Larry Little (10)
G: Ron Stone (10)
T: Lomas Brown (10)
T: -
K: Morten Andersen (20)
P: Jeff Feagles (10)
Ret: Brian Mitchell (50)
ST: Mark Kelso (10)
DL: Michael Strahan (45)
DL: Warren Sapp (30)
DL: -
LB: -
LB: -
LB: Dick Butkus (75)
LB: -
CB: Troy Vincent (15)
CB: Ty Law (10)
S: -
S: John Lynch (10)
Remaining points: 490




Team V:
Killer linebackers and a potent, hard-won combo of Bob Lilly and Reggie White mark this team. Needs some offensive skill players to complement John Elway, and still has plenty of points to spend on them.

Coach: –
QB: John Elway (35)
RB: –
FB: Daryl Johnston (20)
WR: –
WR: –
TE: –
C: Dwight Stephenson (35)
G: John Hannah (50)
G: Jim Parker (5)
T: Art Shell (20)
T: –
K: Jason Elam (1)
P: –
Ret: Rick Upchurch (1)
ST: -
DL: Rich “Tombstone” Jackson (1)
DL: Reggie White (100)
DT: Bob Lilly (100)
DT: Leo Nomellini (1)
LB: Derrick Brooks (1)
LB: Lawrence Taylor (111)
LB: Ray Lewis (1)
CB: -
CB: Jimmy Johnson (1)
S: –
S: –
Remaining points: 517

Team VI:
You won’t get much better than the initial five of Lombardi, Unitas, Faulk, Brown, and Rice, but the price was high and the rest of the roster is barren.

Coach: Vince Lombardi (26)
QB: Johnny Unitas (101)
RB: Marshal Faulk (28)
FB: Jim Brown (106)
WR: Jerry Rice (411)
WR: –
TE: –
C: –
G: –
G: –
T: –
T: –
K: Jan Stenurud (26)
P: –
Ret: –
ST: -
DL: –
DL: -
DL: –
DL/LB: –
LB: –
LB: Willie Lanier (11)
LB: –
CB: –
CB: –
S: –
S: –
Remaining points: 291

Team VII:
Slam-dunked Joe Montana and rebuilt The Hogs to protect him. Snuck some other picks under the radar.

Coach: Don Shula (6)
QB: Joe Montana (652)
RB: George McAfee (11)
FB: -
WR: Don Hutson (62)
WR: Drew Pearson (19)
TE: -
C: Jeff Bostic (7)
G: Mark May (7)
G: Russ Grimm (8)
T: Joe Jacoby (14)
T: George Starke (8)
K: Garo Yepremian (3)
P: -
Ret: -
ST: Larry Izzo (1)
DL: -
DL: Cortez Kennedy (11)
DL: -
DL: -
LB: Jack Ham (17)
LB: Dave Wilcox (13)
LB: -
CB: Willie Brown (15)
CB: -
S: Steve Atwater (11)
S: -
Remaining points: 135

Team VIII:
An interesting blend of old and new talent, and all but three positions filled with balanced bidding.

Coach: Marty Schottenheimer (20)
QB: Brett Favre (75)
RB: Eric Dickerson (100)
FB: Larry Centers (20)
WR: Herman Moore (25)
WR: Andre Rison (25)
TE: -
C: Dermontii Dawson (50)
G: -
G: Larry Allen (50)
T: Orlando Pace (50)
T: Tony Boselli (50)
K: Tom Dempsey (35)
P: Darren Bennett (20)
Ret: Woody Dantzler (1)
ST: Steve Tasker (44)
DL: Bruce Smith (80)
DL: Tim Krumrie (40)
DL: Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila (1)
LB: Chuck Bednarik (40)
LB: Cornelius Bennett (13)
LB: -
LB: Chris Spielman (13)
CB: Eric Allen (40)
CB: Shawn Springs (20)
S David Fulcher 20
S Darren Woodson 20
Remaining points: 188

[cthomer5000]

I imagine the owner of team 4 has never seen what an actual fullback can do. Oh...and team 8, you can count on your coach (to choke) in the playoffs. :D


The Jerry Rice bidding... oh my!

teams 3 and 8 seemed most similar in strategy.

[Buccaneer]

It looks like Team VI does not need a defense, it will score 75 points all by itself.

Troy, you got lucky. :)

[JeeberD]

Ron Stone drinks sangria...

[TroyF]

How'd I get lucky Buc? :)

TroyF

[korme]

So, the players we have now are locked or can they get stolen?

[TroyF]

They are locked.

TroyF

[Chief Rum]

Bucc, careful about dropping names with teams. The reason we have the team owners' identities hidden is so that the voting won't be influenced by who picked the team.

If you really must say something to another owner that includes revealing what team he picked, send him a PM. :)

CR

[Solecismic]

Were the selections open among us? I must have missed that note.

Team VIII could use some safeties, I'm assuming it has five open slots instead of three.

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by Solecismic
Were the selections open among us? I must have missed that note.

Team VIII could use some safeties, I'm assuming it has five open slots instead of three.
Whoops! My cut-and-paste job missed Team VIII's safeties, but I've corrected that problem (see above).

Jim, I'm not sure what your first comment refers to - how do you mean "open"?

[TroyF]

For the record, Buc and I didn't discuss any players or strategy at all. I haven't discussed this with a single person in the game.

The only guy I've had any discussion with is WSU, and that's more along the lines of "I'm happy with this. . . I'm concerned about this"

TroyF

[Chief Rum]

Troy, I don't care if you PMed all of us with your exact plans. :)

I'm just referring to the fact that it was decided to keep team ownership anonymous from the voters, so Bucc's comment kinda works against that. :)

CR

[Buccaneer]

Chief, you are being too paranoid. It is obvious which teams belongs to some of us, even if I wasn't participating.

All I can is that I am pleased with my results. :)

[Chief Rum]

I guess you're more perceptive than me, Bucc. I really couldn't tell. And I would also like to reiterate that the intent of the contest is to do this anonymously, regardless of whether you think it truly will be. Is there really a need to openly shirk that rule or should we just get rid of it?

CR

[sabotai]

bump

"I imagine the owner of team 4 has never seen what an actual fullback can do."

At least whoever it was, they only spent the appropriate amount of points on him (only 10)

"It looks like Team VI does not need a defense, it will score 75 points all by itself."

And with less than 300 points left, I imagine they won't get a defense, or an offensive line, or a good punter, or a good second WR, or a good TE.... :D

[QuikSand]

I think the participants missed out on a lot of solid quality players by (perhaps) not littering enough $1 bids. I can think if plenty of players whom I would judge to be in the very top tier of their positions all-time who have not been claimed - meaning any of them could have been grabbed for $1 in this round. Alas - hindsight, especially from out here, is always 20/20.

[Buccaneer]

I think the tendency in the first round was to go with the superstars, for the most part. WSUCoug even said that there were quite a few multiple bids for certain players. I think that was predictable because we always believed the second round would prove most interesting. For example, for QBs we have
Young
Marino
Graham
Unitas
Montana
Favre
Elway
You could argue that already the top 7 all-time QBs have been chosen and it was a matter of choosing the right one to bid on. No point actually, just an observation.

[QuikSand]

And maybe it's the high-profile nature of the position, but the name that jumped out at me most here was RB George McAfee. Now I am an avowed believe in "established brilliance" over "career achievement," but I simply have trouble seeing more than one person decide that McAfee is one of the top eight running backs in NFL history (thus necessitating a bid of more than a dollar). I think he's an interesting pick - but I think I'd have rather slotted him as my punt returner, and waited for the $1 tailback... there are going to be some damned fine running backs who go for $1 in this thing.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
I think the tendency in the first round was to go with the superstars, for the most part. WSUCoug even said that there were quite a few multiple bids for certain players. I think that was predictable because we always believed the second round would prove most interesting.

I don't disagree at QB, or ant any position where there was a standout that a participant really wanted. But I think a good strstegy might have been to submit an entire roster - with big bids for the top targets, and $1 bids for everyone else... look at TE (4 spots still open) and DL (about 12)-- there are some fina players unclaimed out there, and having one of them locked up at $1 right now looks a lot better to me that now having to reinvest your money on the same guys, who now are "the best of the rest."

[Buccaneer]

Depending on the end game, I wondering if Coug would be up for doing this again (perhaps with a slightly different twist). As said before, I would love to have matched wits with you on this.

[Chief Rum]

Me, too. Disappointed you didn't stick with it, Quik. Oh well...

Your thoughts ont he high-low bids are interesting. I had much of the same thoughts and bid accordingly, but my low bid was significantly higher. I agree the second round will be very interesting, as the guys that fell through are allowing me some interesting chances on some others I really like.

CR

[Karim]

This should be a sticky...

[TroyF]

QS,

The bidding strategy was something I really struggled with. If you read my dynasty thread on how I selected my team, you'll see that I wasn't far off from your idea. (The thread will be posted when the contest is complete, along with a little bio for each one of my players)

I lost out on a few players I really wanted by a very slim point total. I've been wondering if I should have went with your strategy even more than what I did. I can't really say much now without giving everything away, but I'm happy with how the first round turned out. :)

TroyF

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
Depending on the end game, I wondering if Coug would be up for doing this again (perhaps with a slightly different twist). As said before, I would love to have matched wits with you on this.
I'd be game - I already want to do one for baseball. :D

I was wondering if we could do one as a regular draft. Or did you have some other twist on the bidding process in mind?

[TroyF]

Originally posted by WSUCougar
I'd be game - I already want to do one for baseball. :D

I was wondering if we could do one as a regular draft. Or did you have some other twist on the bidding process in mind?

WSU,

I'd LOVE to do one as a regular draft. That would be a blast.

TroyF

[TroyF]

Dola. . . That isn't to say this one hasn't been fun. :) :)

[Buccaneer]

When do we get the results for round two? My stomach is knotting up again in anticipation.

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
When do we get the results for round two? My stomach is knotting up again in anticipation.
Waiting on a couple more entries. :cool:

[Karim]

I must admit that this is really cool and I'm just reading.

[Chief Rum]

Sorry for the delay, guys. Mine is in.

Hey, Coug, do me a favor and put up a new list in a new post (in this thread) instead of editing the above to add new players. I would like the above (the first round results) to remain out there and accessible so that we can look back to remind us who was available in what rounds and so forth. It will help in my eventual dynasty about this.

Speaking of which, hey, Troy, maybe we should do a joint dynasty. It could be an interesting contrast in styles (assuming we contrast, which we probably do).

Chief Rum

[Vince]

I'm with Karim...this is way interesting. Keep up the good work, guys.

[TroyF]

Chief,

No problem. I have a lot of mine written already. The only stuff I haven't finished yet is the final analysis and a mini-bio of all of the players on my team. I really can't wait until we finish picking the teams. We'll at least be able to fire off some PM's to each other while the voting is taking place. :)

There is so much I want to discuss now I'm bursting at the seams. :)

TroyF

[Chief Rum]

I know what you mean.

I have a running dialogue of my decision-making in a Wordpad file.

I was going to refer to it as I wrote my dynasty. Maybe you can PM me with the general scope/organization of what you have written. If it works well with what I got, then I will follow the posting format (if not the style, of course).

So you can put up your first round report, or second round report, or the theory behind your picks, and I can post likewise. People can then compare the two as they come along.

It would work even best of we could do a post-by-post analysis of our actions at each position. I think it will be very interesting to see two straight takes on the choices for guards for instance, or for defensive tackles. We would likely mention the same players, but it would come from a completely different perspective.

Just some thoughts anyway.

CR

[Buccaneer]

Sheesh, now we got to compete against small novel writers?

[TroyF]

Chief,

Sounds good. I went all out on this one. I actually have a pre - first round post where I detailed who I felt were the best all time and the general guidelines for setting up my team. (I had VERY specific guidelines for setting up my team, what roles I wanted each player to perform and offensive and defensive strategy) Then I have a first round bid list with explanations as to why I bid that way. I have a round 1 results post ready, followed by my round 2 bids.

I think we can make it very interesting.

TroyF

[Buccaneer]

How about this? I tried to get the best players I could think of for each position. That's it. End of small novel.

[TroyF]

Dola,

Buc,

I'm very much interested in pro football history. A big part of the reason I wanted to write a dynasty on this (which will be my first ever dynasty BTW) was to be able to showcase some players I don't think a lot of people are aware of. Some guys have sadly faded from our memory. I thought this was a great chance to bring some of them back to life.

The other thing I wanted to show how much time I put into the "setup" of the football team. I had specific ideas for how I wanted each of these guys to be used.

I won't be posting anything until all of the voting is complete, so you won't have to compete against me in that regard. I hope to cap the dynasty with a championship banner. :) :)

TroyF

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
How about this? I tried to get the best players I could think of for each position. That's it. End of small novel.

A football team works as a unit. I think players are much better if they have assigned roles. I also thought it would be critical for these teams to be able to adjust to different types of players they'd go against. I can't go into detail BEFORE the picks are complete. Read my dynasty and you'll see some examples of what I did and didn't want.

BTW, I realize some people won't be able to see these roles clearly. I also realize that the way I have my team set up may not be the way many others would have. Hell, I could go out in the first round. I just want people to see the thought process behind the moves. That's all. :)

TroyF

[Karim]

Is voting the best way to eventually decide this thing? I'm worried that other people like me may not know players from previous eras and unintentionally have a modern bias.

Too bad there wasn't an actual head to head football sim where you could just plug in rosters and an outcome would be determined.

[TroyF]

Karim,

My hope is that at least some of the FOFC voters who really love football take some time to look up some old names on the list. Thankfully, I'm fairly aware of almost every player on the round 1 lists. Still, there were a few names I went and plugged into google to get a better idea of who they were. For those interested, here are some pretty good sites for some reading on older football players and teams:

NFL HALL OF FAME (http://www.profootballhof.com/)

Sporting News Top 100 (http://greatsportsrivalries.com/sn_top100_nflpalyers.html)

Professional Football Researchers Association (http://www.footballresearch.com/index.cfm)

Also most teams have the information on their "Ring of Fame" players on their specific websites.

TroyF

[Chief Rum]

Is the last entry in? I hope so. :)

CR

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Chief Rum
Is the last entry in? I hope so. :)

CR

Me too!!!!

TroyF

[WSUCougar]

I'm afraid not.

I won't mention any names, though, primelord.

:D

[Karim]

Thanks for those links, Troy. That will certainly help.

[Solecismic]

Primelord says he wants Ryan Leaf, Eric Crouch, Dimitrius Underwood, Brian Bosworth, Leslie Nielsen and Burt Reynolds, with Craig T. Nelson as the coach.

I pointed out he could have all of them for 1 point, but he insisted on bidding 40 points for each of them.

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Solecismic
Primelord says he wants Ryan Leaf, Eric Crouch, Dimitrius Underwood, Brian Bosworth, Leslie Nielsen and Burt Reynolds, with Craig T. Nelson as the coach.

I pointed out he could have all of them for 1 point, but he insisted on bidding 40 points for each of them.

NO. . . I want Craig T. Nelson as coach. This sucks. . .

TroyF

[TroyF]

Dola,

Is something wrong with Primelord? Work bogging him down or something? Here's to hoping he's just being a lazy guy and that there isn't anything wrong. :)

TroyF

[Chief Rum]

Hey Jim,

You want to be our liaison to primelord? :D

We'll ask you questions and you can see if you can get a hold of him. If you do, tell him to "wake the [bleep] up" and turn his entries in. :)

CR

[Solecismic]

LOL

I just reviewed some old email, and he's on vacation this week. There's a chance he might not see this until Monday, though the dates he gave end today.

I think his penalty should be he has to accept the tandem of Craig T. Nelson and Jerry Van Dyke as his co-coaches and Tom Cruise as his undersized (but very good in art) linebacker.

[primelord]

Ack! Sorry guys! As Jim said I was on vacation this week. I thought for certain I sent a PM to Coug with my entry and a note saying I would be on vacation, but apparently I must have imagined that because my outbox has no record of such a PM.

Sorry I held you guys up. It's late now, but I will send my entry to Coug first thing in the morning. Sorry again! :)

[WSUCougar]

Prime,

Craig T. Nelson is still available for 1 point, FYI...

:D

[Chief Rum]

So...?

Did primelord get his in? We gonna do this thang? :)

Rubbing my hands in anticipation...

CR

[WSUCougar]

Nope, still waiting on prime.

As I often say to my wife, "Aren't you impressed at how patient I'm being?" :D

[TroyF]

Get a rope. . .

TroyF

[JeeberD]

Mmmmm...Pace....

[Chief Rum]

Come on, prime! Get it in!

Amping up the pressure. :)

CR

[primelord]

Did I say first thing in the morning? :)

I clearly meant some time today. :) I'll get it in today.

[TroyF]

Get 4 ropes, and 4 horses. We've got work to do. . .

TroyF

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by TroyF
Get 4 ropes, and 4 horses. We've got work to do. . .

TroyF

I brought my horse - and the guillotine just in case.

[Buccaneer]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
I brought my horse - and the guillotine just in case.

Horse and a guillotine??? I love it when a city slicker from the East tries to talk western. Lol.

[Chief Rum]

It's a timing thing, Bucc.

First we tie Primelord to the rope. Then we lead the rope through the guillotine. Then we tie the other end to the horse on the other side of the guillotine. Then we get the horse running and try and time the guillotine just right. If we miss, we try again. :)

Just like the old West.

CR

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Chief Rum
It's a timing thing, Bucc.

First we tie Primelord to the rope. Then we lead the rope through the guillotine. Then we tie the other end to the horse on the other side of the guillotine. Then we get the horse running and try and time the guillotine just right. If we miss, we try again. :)

Just like the old West.

CR

That would be one of the strangest executions in history. To think I figured I was being nice by not asking for the fifth horse and rope. (which would start its gallop a second or two before the rest shot off)

TroyF

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
Horse and a guillotine??? I love it when a city slicker from the East tries to talk western. Lol.

So now being drawn and quartered is exclusively western? I find that pretty hard to believe since horses aren't even native to this continent.

[primelord]

Allright it's official. I am a jackass.

Sorry I dropped the ball again. Although I can atleast blame it on work this time. I have a couple meetings this morning, but I WILL get my list to Coug today. :)

[cthomer5000]

ok. time for rope #5.

[TroyF]

Originally posted by primelord
Allright it's official. I am a jackass.

I thought that announcement had already been confirmed. :) :)

TroyF

[primelord]

Originally posted by TroyF
I thought that announcement had already been confirmed. :) :)

TroyF

Good point. :)

Ok everyone put their ropes down. My entry has been submitted. I have bid on the multi talented Eric Crouch in 4 different positions!!! :)

[Chief Rum]

Let's go Coug! Let's Go Coug!

CR

[primelord]

Yea C'Mon Coug!!!!! What the hell is taking you so long?????? :D

[TroyF]

Originally posted by primelord
Yea C'Mon Coug!!!!! What the hell is taking you so long?????? :D

We still have that rope, right?

TroyF

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by primelord
Yea C'Mon Coug!!!!! What the hell is taking you so long?????? :D
Hmmm, this is sort of like being chided on the social graces by Dennis Rodman...:D

[Chief Rum]

So, as long as you're here, you gonna let us know what's going on? :)

CR

[Solecismic]

I'd like to make some changes to the list I submitted.

The social climate is completely different from when we began this round. Some players who were touted as among the best in history way back then are merely afterthoughts today.

I'm afraid I made some decisions way back then that will simply seem archaic when viewed by modern standards.


(just kidding - I'm just hoping some of you guys are this slow when it comes to waiver claims in curling)

[rexallllsc]

Waiver claims? Sounds like Baseball.

[Buccaneer]

Waiting, waiting sweetheart.

[WSUCougar]

Team I:
Picked up Barry Sanders for a song, and fleshed out both lines quite nicely. Lost out on Mike Haynes and Ken Houston in the defensive backfield.

Coach Bill Walsh (66)
QB Steve Young (80)
RB Barry Sanders (1)
FB Tom Rathman (1)
WR Fred Biletnikoff (102)
WR Paul Warfield (25)
TE Ozzie Newsome (10)
C Mark Stepnoski (1)
G Forest Gregg (76)
G -
T Dan Dierdorf (100)
T Ron Yary (31)
K Pete Stoyanovich (1)
P Sean Landeta (5)
Rtn Mel Gray (10)
ST -
DL Charles Haley (5)
DL Randy White (76)
DL Howie Long (102)
DL Jerome Brown (1)
LB Jack Lambert (65)
LB Ray Nitschke (51)
LB Ted Hendricks (26)
CB Deion Sanders (30)
CB -
S -
S Larry Wilson (20)
Remaining points: 115

Team II:
Filled out his lineup with but two holes remaining: also was outbid for safety Ken Houston, and just missed out on Howie Long by a point!

Coach: George Halas (5)
QB: Dan Marino (15)
RB: Walter Payton (72)
FB: Larry Csonka (15)
WR: Cris Carter (101)
WR: Steve Largent (15)
TE: Kellen Winslow (71)
C: Mike Webster (15)
G: Gene Upshaw (15)
G: Mike Munchak (15)
T: Anthony Munoz (71)
T: Jackie Slater (15)
K: Lou Groza (15)
P: Ray Guy (15)
Ret: Tim Brown (45)
ST: Bill Bates (30
DL: Joe Greene (72)
DL: Merlin Olsen (15)
DL: -
DL: Carl Eller (15)
LB: Derrick Thomas (60)
LB: Mike Singletary (71)
LB: Kevin Greene (15)
CB: Mel Blount (71)
CB: Darrell Green (15)
S: -
S: Paul Krause (15)
Remaining points: 121

Team III:
Missed on Munchak and Dierdorf, but grabbed Junior Seau and a rather-pricey Randy Moss. Running low on dough…

Coach: Joe Gibbs (30)
QB: Otto Graham (5)
RB: Gayle Sayers (100)
FB: Marion Motley (101)
WR: Lance Alworth (50)
WR: Randy Moss (210)
TE: Dave Kasper (30)
C: Clyde "Bulldog" Turner (2)
G: -
G: Bruce Matthews (5)
T: Kyle Turley (2)
T: -
K: Adam Vinatieri (2)
P: Jim Thorpe (2)
Ret: Desmond Howard (10)
ST: Jerald Sowell (2)
DL: Deacon Jones (100)
DL: Lee Roy Selmon (10)
DL: Alan Page (2)
DL: Joe Klecko (2)
LB: Junior Seau (52)
LB: Carl Banks (2)
LB: Sam Huff (2)
CB: Ronnie Lott (120)
CB: Dick Lane (90)
S: Rod Woodson (50)
S: Jack Tatum (15)
Remaining points: 4

Team IV:
Some nice pickups, nabbing the Fouts-to-Swann connection for a relative bargain. One slot left - missed out on Nitchske.

Coach - Bill Parcells (50)
QB: Dan Fouts (50)
RB: Bo Jackson (100)
FB: Mike Alstott (10)
WR: Lynn Swann (80)
WR: Marvin Harrison (10)
TE: Mark Bavaro (35)
C: Frank Gatski (50)
G: Larry Little (10)
G: Ron Stone (10)
T: Lomas Brown (10)
T: Stan Jones (50)
K: Morten Andersen (20)
P: Jeff Feagles (10)
Ret: Brian Mitchell (50)
ST: Mark Kelso (10)
DL: Michael Strahan (45)
DL: Warren Sapp (30)
DL: Ernie Holmes (50)
DL: Dwight White (50)
LB: LB Nick Buoniconti (50)
LB: Dick Butkus (75)
LB: -
CB: Troy Vincent (15)
CB: Ty Law (10)
S: Willie Wood (60)
S: John Lynch (10)
Remaining points: 50


Team V:
Added some great talent on offense, and won some spirited bid wars for Haynes and Houston. But only a deuce leftover for two slots.

Coach: Tom Landry (1)
QB: John Elway (35)
RB: Emmitt Smith (50)
FB: Daryl Johnston (20)
WR: Don Maynard (150)
WR: Terrell Owens (1)
TE: Mike Ditka (100)
C: Dwight Stephenson (35)
G: John Hannah (50)
G: Jim Parker (5)
T: Art Shell (20)
T: –
K: Jason Elam (1)
P: Sammy Baugh (12)
Ret: Rick Upchurch (1)
ST: -
DL: Rich “Tombstone” Jackson (1)
DL: Reggie White (100)
DT: Bob Lilly (100)
DT: Leo Nomellini (1)
LB: Derrick Brooks (1)
LB: Lawrence Taylor (111)
LB: Ray Lewis (1)
CB: Jimmy Johnson (1)
CB: Mike Haynes (100)
S: Ken Houston (100)
S: Cliff Harris (1)
Remaining points: 2

Team VI:
Went “Bear” on the d-line but was outbid on several other slots and still has some work to do.

Coach: Vince Lombardi (26)
QB: Johnny Unitas (101)
RB: Marshal Faulk (28)
FB: Jim Brown (106)
WR: Jerry Rice (411)
WR: –
TE: Todd Christensen (7)
C: Jim Ringo (7)
G: Tom Mack (7)
G: –
T: –
T: Ron Mix (7)
K: Jan Stenurud (26)
P: Reggie Roby (7)
Ret: Eric Metcalf (7)
ST: -
DL: Dan Hampton (32)
DL: Steve McMichael (17)
DL: Richard Dent (52)
DL/LB: –
LB: –
LB: Willie Lanier (11)
LB: –
CB: Mel Renfro (16)
CB: –
S: –
S: Dave Duerson (2)
Remaining points: 130

Team VII:
Added several “classics” but missed out on some higher ticket items.

Coach: Don Shula (6)
QB: Joe Montana (652)
RB: George McAfee (11)
FB: Jim Taylor (12)
WR: Don Hutson (62)
WR: Drew Pearson (19)
TE: John Mackey (16)
C: Jeff Bostic (7)
G: Mark May (7)
G: Russ Grimm (8)
T: Joe Jacoby (14)
T: George Starke (8)
K: Garo Yepremian (3)
P: Todd Sauerbrun (1)
Ret: -
ST: Larry Izzo (1)
DL: -
DL: Cortez Kennedy (11)
DE: Jack Youngblood (16)
DE: Jason Taylor (4)
LB: Jack Ham (17)
LB: Dave Wilcox (13)
LB: -
CB: Willie Brown (15)
CB: -
S: Steve Atwater (11)
S: Brian Dawkins (9)
Remaining points: 77

Team VIII:
Finished off his roster with some new blood and an all-time trash talker.

Coach: Marty Schottenheimer (20)
QB: Brett Favre (75)
RB: Eric Dickerson (100)
FB: Larry Centers (20)
WR: Herman Moore (25)
WR: Andre Rison (25)
TE: Shannon Sharpe (73)
C: Dermontii Dawson (50)
G: Will Shields (20)
G: Larry Allen (50)
T: Orlando Pace (50)
T: Tony Boselli (50)
K: Tom Dempsey (35)
P: Darren Bennett (20)
Ret: Woody Dantzler (1)
ST: Steve Tasker (44)
DL: Bruce Smith (80)
DL: Tim Krumrie (40)
DL: Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila (1)
LB: Chuck Bednarik (40)
LB: Cornelius Bennett (13)
LB: Brian Urlacher (55)
LB: Chris Spielman (13)
CB: Eric Allen (40)
CB: Shawn Springs (20)
S: David Fulcher (20)
S: Darren Woodson (20)
Remaining points: 0

[WSUCougar]

Whew! That's more work than I thought it'd be.

Hope everything's kosher.

[Buccaneer]

Great job.

[TroyF]

Thanks WSU. When is the next deadline? (I'll have mine in tonight)

TroyF

[Buccaneer]

Same here.

[TroyF]

We have 24 spots that need to be filled.

1 WR
3 G
3 T
1 Kick Returner
3 Special Teamers
7 DL/LB
3 CB
3 S

Interesting stats after the two rounds. I figured that there might be a QB position or two still needed at this point. I also had suspected that there would be a bigger fight at the Center postion. I never figured it'd be filled after only two rounds of bidding. It looks like this will only go two more rounds before the competition starts up. I really like some of the rosters that have been put together so far.

TroyF

[WSUCougar]

How about a Saturday night deadline? That way we can start the tournament/polls next Monday (unless there is further bidding needed).

[cthomer5000]

I should be able to get my bids in by midnight tonight.

[TroyF]

WSU,

My bids are already in. Feel free to end the bidding anytime you want. :)

TroyF

[cthomer5000]

My bids are in. I now second the close of bidding! ;)

[WSUCougar]

...midway through Round 3...
Originally posted by TroyF
We have 24 spots that need to be filled.

1 WR
3 G
3 T
1 Kick Returner
3 Special Teamers
7 DL/LB
3 CB
3 S

[primelord]

I shall have my bids in on time!!!!!!!! :)

[TroyF]

Originally posted by primelord
I shall have my bids in on time!!!!!!!! :)

Sorry, a bit late. You will be executed when all bidding is completed. We are still determining if the fifth rope will be used.

TroyF

[primelord]

Originally posted by TroyF
Sorry, a bit late. You will be executed when all bidding is completed. We are still determining if the fifth rope will be used.

TroyF

Well hell if that is the case I guess I won't bother turning in my bids. :)

[TroyF]

Originally posted by primelord
Well hell if that is the case I guess I won't bother turning in my bids. :)

Don't worry, we wouldn't notice for a couple of weeks. We're used to it by now. :)

TroyF

[Solecismic]

Somehow, I just know we're going to have to wait a long time for Team VIII to turn in the next round of bids.

[Karim]

bump

[WSUCougar]

Still awaiting two entries for Round 3...

[drums fingers]

[WSUCougar]

1st round pairings will be announced later today!

Final Rosters:

Team I:
Coach Bill Walsh (66)
QB Steve Young (80)
RB Barry Sanders (1)
FB Tom Rathman (1)
WR Fred Biletnikoff (102)
WR Paul Warfield (25)
TE Ozzie Newsome (10)
C Mark Stepnoski (1)
G Forest Gregg (76)
G Joe DeLamielleure (43)
T Dan Dierdorf (100)
T Ron Yary (31)
K Pete Stoyanovich (1)
P Sean Landeta (5)
Rtn Mel Gray (10)
ST Michael Bates (3)
DL Charles Haley (5)
DL Randy White (76)
DL Howie Long (102)
DL Jerome Brown (1)
LB Jack Lambert (65)
LB Ray Nitschke (51)
LB Ted Hendricks (26)
CB Deion Sanders (30)
CB Herb Adderley (68)
S Merton Hanks (1)
S Larry Wilson (20)

Team II:
Coach: George Halas (5)
QB: Dan Marino (15)
RB: Walter Payton (72)
FB: Larry Csonka (15)
WR: Cris Carter (101)
WR: Steve Largent (15)
TE: Kellen Winslow (71)
C: Mike Webster (15)
G: Gene Upshaw (15)
G: Mike Munchak (15)
T: Anthony Munoz (71)
T: Jackie Slater (15)
K: Lou Groza (15)
P: Ray Guy (15)
Ret: Tim Brown (45)
ST: Bill Bates (30)
DL: Joe Greene (72)
DL: Merlin Olsen (15)
DL Chris Doleman (61)
DL: Carl Eller (15)
LB: Derrick Thomas (60)
LB: Mike Singletary (71)
LB: Kevin Greene (15)
CB: Mel Blount (71)
CB: Darrell Green (15)
S Tim McDonald (60)
S: Paul Krause (15)

Team III:
Coach: Joe Gibbs (30)
QB: Otto Graham (5)
RB: Gayle Sayers (100)
FB: Marion Motley (101)
WR: Lance Alworth (50)
WR: Randy Moss (210)
TE: Dave Kasper (30)
C: Clyde "Bulldog" Turner (2)
G: Steve Wiesnewski (2)
G: Bruce Matthews (5)
T: Kyle Turley (2)
T: Bob St. Clair (2)
K: Adam Vinatieri (2)
P: Jim Thorpe (2)
Ret: Desmond Howard (10)
ST: Jerald Sowell (2)
DL: Deacon Jones (100)
DL: Lee Roy Selmon (10)
DL: Alan Page (2)
DL: Joe Klecko (2)
LB: Junior Seau (52)
LB: Carl Banks (2)
LB: Sam Huff (2)
CB: Ronnie Lott (120)
CB: Dick Lane (90)
S: Rod Woodson (50)
S: Jack Tatum (15)

Team IV:
Coach - Bill Parcells (50)
QB: Dan Fouts (50)
RB: Bo Jackson (100)
FB: Mike Alstott (10)
WR: Lynn Swann (80)
WR: Marvin Harrison (10)
TE: Mark Bavaro (35)
C: Frank Gatski (50)
G: Larry Little (10)
G: Ron Stone (10)
T: Lomas Brown (10)
T: Stan Jones (50)
K: Morten Andersen (20)
P: Jeff Feagles (10)
Ret: Brian Mitchell (50)
ST: Mark Kelso (10)
DL: Michael Strahan (45)
DL: Warren Sapp (30)
DL: Ernie Holmes (50)
DL: Dwight White (50)
LB: LB Nick Buoniconti (50)
LB: Dick Butkus (75)
LB: Bobby Bell (50)
CB: Troy Vincent (15)
CB: Ty Law (10)
S: Willie Wood (60)
S: John Lynch (10)

Team V:
Coach: Tom Landry (1)
QB: John Elway (35)
RB: Emmitt Smith (50)
FB: Daryl Johnston (20)
WR: Don Maynard (150)
WR: Terrell Owens (1)
TE: Mike Ditka (100)
C: Dwight Stephenson (35)
G: John Hannah (50)
G: Jim Parker (5)
T: Art Shell (20)
T: Jonathan Ogden (1)
K: Jason Elam (1)
P: Sammy Baugh (12)
Ret: Rick Upchurch (1)
ST: Fred McAfee (1)
DL: Rich “Tombstone” Jackson (1)
DL: Reggie White (100)
DT: Bob Lilly (100)
DT: Leo Nomellini (1)
LB: Derrick Brooks (1)
LB: Lawrence Taylor (111)
LB: Ray Lewis (1)
CB: Jimmy Johnson (1)
CB: Mike Haynes (100)
S: Ken Houston (100)
S: Cliff Harris (1)

Team VI:
Coach: Vince Lombardi (26)
QB: Johnny Unitas (101)
RB: Marshal Faulk (28)
FB: Jim Brown (106)
WR: Jerry Rice (411)
WR: Art Monk (1)
TE: Todd Christensen
C: Jim Ringo (7)
G: Tom Mack (7)
G: Jerry Kramer (1)
T: Roosevelt Brown (5)
T: Ron Mix (7)
K: Jan Stenurud (26)
P: Reggie Roby (7)
Ret: Eric Metcalf (7)
ST: Gary Fencik (1)
DL: Dan Hampton (32)
DL: Steve McMichael (17)
DL: Richard Dent (52)
DL: William Perry (68)
LB: Wilber Marshall (51)
LB: Otis Wilson (1)
LB: Willie Lanier (11)
CB: Mel Renfro (16)
CB: Cornell Green (1)
S: Pat Fischer (1)
S: Dave Duerson (2)

Team VII:
Coach: Don Shula (6)
QB: Joe Montana (652)
RB: Earl Campbell (2)
FB: Jim Taylor (12)
WR: Don Hutson (62)
WR: Drew Pearson (19)
TE: John Mackey (16)
C: Jeff Bostic (7)
G: Mark May (7)
G: Russ Grimm (8)
T: Joe Jacoby (14)
T: George Starke (8)
K: Garo Yepremian (3)
P: Todd Sauerbrun (1)
Ret: George McAfee (11)
ST: Larry Izzo (1)
DT: Junious "Buck" Buchanan (27)
DL: Cortez Kennedy (11)
DE: Jack Youngblood (16)
DE: Jason Taylor (4)
LB: Jack Ham (17)
LB: Dave Wilcox (13)
LB: Joe Schmidt (32)
CB: Willie Brown (15)
CB: Lem Barney (16)
S: Steve Atwater (11)
S: Brian Dawkins (9)

Team VIII:
Coach: Marty Schottenheimer (20)
QB: Brett Favre (75)
RB: Eric Dickerson (100)
FB: Larry Centers (20)
WR: Herman Moore (25)
WR: Andre Rison (25)
TE: Shannon Sharpe (73)
C: Dermontii Dawson (50)
G: Will Shields (20)
G: Larry Allen (50)
T: Orlando Pace (50)
T: Tony Boselli (50)
K: Tom Dempsey (35)
P: Darren Bennett (20)
Ret: Woody Dantzler (1)
ST: Steve Tasker (44)
DL: Bruce Smith (80)
DL: Tim Krumrie (40)
DL: Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila (1)
LB: Chuck Bednarik (40)
LB: Cornelius Bennett (13)
LB: Brian Urlacher (55)
LB: Chris Spielman (13)
CB: Eric Allen (40)
CB: Shawn Springs (20)
S: David Fulcher (20)
S: Darren Woodson (20)

Edited to reflect updated roster (tackle) for Team III.

[Buccaneer]

Remind me again why we are doing pairings and still keeping this anonymous?

Like others, I can't wait to share my strategy which I believe went nearly perfectly. By the way, there is one team on the list that appears to be head and shoulders above all others. :D

[henry296]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
[B]Remind me again why we are doing pairings and still keeping this anonymous?


To keep personalities out of the voting. See if I knew what team was yours, I would vote against it no matter what because of your anti-option beliefs :)

Todd

[TroyF]

Teams 2 and 3 both have Lou Groza. One as a Kicker, one as a tackle.

TroyF

[Chief Rum]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
By the way, there is one team on the list that appears to be head and shoulders above all others. :D

Well, I appreciate the kind words, Bucc, but I am content to let the voting play itself out before I am officially declared the champion. :)

CR

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by TroyF
Teams 2 and 3 both have Lou Groza. One as a Kicker, one as a tackle.
Drat! Thanks for the catch, Troy - I was afraid I'd miss something like that.

Team III will need to select another tackle.

Also, any input on what is allowable commentary from the challengers during the poll pairings? Should we limit it at all?

[WSUCougar]

Team III has replaced Groza with Bob St. Clair, so we are good to go with the final rosters.

[TroyF]

WSU,

I say we all keep our mouths shut (and our keyboard locked down) until it is all over. Even if you get eliminated, it will help people figure out who's there and who isn't.

We'll be able to talk about it a lot after it has all been decided.

TroyF

[TroyF]

Dola,

We CAN PM each other to discuss in the background of course. :)

TroyF

[Solecismic]

I was thinking it would be more interesting if we drew up a team bio to accompany the pairings. Something to explain who the players are and why we picked them.

[Buccaneer]

Yes, I fully agree with that (this was what Troy and I talked about today via email). My concern is that we would, for some, by our writing styles - esp. between CR, Troy, Shorty and myself. I suggest we submit our short bios and reasons to WSCCoug and he could standardize them, to some extent. I think doing this before the first pairings are voted on is essential since, in part, we selling unknowns.

[Chief Rum]

I was considering this as well, but I was very concerned about our writing styles influencing the voting. In this respect, I wasn't so afraid of revealing whose teams were whose, as I was that a better written piece might influence voting as well. I have no idea who among us are the best writers, per say, or most influential in doing so, but I get lots of compliments for my writing, TroyF and Bucc are two of the most well-versed and well-written posters in this forum, and Jim (who is also a good writer in his posts) was a journalist by training. I couldn't even begin to handicap the writing skills of the others, but who knows where they lie as well.

I agree with the need to standardizing, but I have no idea how it would happen. It would be nice to just present facts, but that might be difficult to separate from the era and competition from which the players come from.

For instance, we can talk all day about Reggie White being the NFL's all-time leading sacker, but how can we compare that to the great passrushers of the past? Sack stats weren't officially recorded until 1982.

And what about offensive linemen? An objective description of offensive linemen would probably be limited to sacks allowed for modern linemen, membership of teams with great offenses, and Pro Bowl noms, and all of that is either only relevant to a time period or can't be applied across the board to all linemen. As such, subjective description might be the only way to separate some linemen from others.

But maybe we'll just have to go with the best of bad options. Or have the voters do the research themselves (which you know no one will want to do). Or maybe we can right writeups for each other, anonymously, of course. I could write up Troy's, and Troy could right up Jim's, and Jim, Bucc's, and so on. I don't know--just throwing out ideas.

What do you guys think?

CR

[Buccaneer]

I'm glad that you understood what I wrote since I left out some words (as usual). How about this: Limit each player's bio to 50 words or less (about two sentences). For some of my players, I already have quotes lined up for them (copying from the HoF player's pages). As far as your OL dilemma, you have to take them in the context of when they played. Imo, today's OL - except for a few - are constantly overmatched by the defense and would compare themselves unfairly to those in the past.

[TroyF]

I'm for just trusting the voters and letting the chips fall where they may.

I'd like to do well in the voting, but I don't think it matters too much in the end. I expect the truly great discussions about this will happen AFTER the voting is over anyway. That's when we can all start a thread and discuss why we did what we did. That's when the other members of the forum can get in and give their opinions as well.

Besides that point, we each have guys we picked up that many of the voters in the forum have never heard of. Those guys could be the difference between a good/bad voting result. Explaining how good those guys were will take a lot more than a little two sentence blurb.

Let the voters do their thing.

TroyF

[Buccaneer]

I think you are right, Troy. This has been dragging on for a while now. For the participants, all the fun was in the three rounds (among the best game I have ever played in). Time to let the voters take each one at face value even there is that one team that really stands out. :)

[Chief Rum]

That might be the best way to go then. With a sharp word limit like that, it will be much more difficult to have our individual writing styles influence things. But there should be enough leeway to get the idea across of what kind of player we're talking about.

Also, maybe some information should be provided that we aren't required to put in our 50 words, such as height-weight (actually that might hurt the older guys), playing years, team he is best known for playing for (team owner's call). It would follow the player's name, in some sort of formatted string, with our 50-word commentaries below it.

We might even--and this is an area that is maybe a complete judgement call we may want to avoid--include the year we envision the player at in his career on our team. For instance, the Team that has Emmitt Smith (I forget who) probably wants him when he was the workhouse back with great inside running instincts for a Super Bowl champ team--not the current, aged version of Emmitt who has none of the speed and half the power that he used to.

CR

[Chief Rum]

Dola,

I can go either way, but I am fine going with my team as is, undescribed as well, and seeing how things fall out.

I agree, the three rounds were fantastic fun--far more than we have had any right to have (especially primelord, that procrastinating, vacationing bastage :) ).

CR

[Solecismic]

How 'bout 100 words on the offense and 100 words on the defense? Just a team introduction.

[TroyF]

I'm ok with either/or as well. I'm going to be in the top 8 no matter what happens!!!

TroyF

[Chief Rum]

Heh. Yeah, I guess you can count on that, Troy, as can we all. :)

I was thinking about the offense-defense thing, too, Bucc. Maybe one paragraph about each entire side of the ball would do the trick. It would be simpler, still hard to use writing style to influence things, but give you a chance to point out your team's strengths.

CR

[cthomer5000]

How about we just trust WSU to write up a "fair and balanced" matchup description?

(what was that? A Mr. Murdoch is on the phone?)

We can send him our thoughts on our team, let him filter it, and attempt to produce an unbiased piece that would highlight the respective teams' strentghs and weaknesses, styles, and key matchups in these virtual games.

[TroyF]

100 words on offense:

My team RULZ!!!Your team SUKZ!!!

100 words on defense:

My defense RULZ 2!!!! Your team still SUKZ!!!


That's my scouting report for week one.

TroyF

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by TroyF
100 words on offense:

My team RULZ!!!Your team SUKZ!!!

100 words on defense:

My defense RULZ 2!!!! Your team still SUKZ!!!


That's my scouting report for week one.

TroyF

uh-oh, it looks like someone got a hold of my scouting report. I must find the leak.

[Karim]

As someone who didn't participate but looks forward to voting, I can honestly say I won't be able to distinguish anyone's writing style.

Before I vote, I wouldn't mind hearing each person's offensive and defensive strategy/rationale (maybe 250 words/1 page total). It would be up to you if you want to highlight individual players or take a more general/team-based approach.

[WSUCougar]

Originally posted by Solecismic
How 'bout 100 words on the offense and 100 words on the defense? Just a team introduction.
I think this is probably the best compromise. It's up to each challenger to determine how best to utilize their limited text.

In the unlikely event that anything is "obvious" I will edit the entry so it's more vanilla.

Please PM me your write-ups as soon as you can, with a drop-dead deadline of Sunday night so that poll pairings can be posted.

[Chief Rum]

Mine are in!

Call them out, so we know who the laggers are. :)

I'll keep the fifth rope handy.

CR

[Karim]

bump

Sounds great...

[TroyF]

I'll have mine in Friday night.

TroyF

[WSUCougar]

Only three responses have been PM'ed at this time. You guys reading this thread?

[Buccaneer]

bump ?

[WSUCougar]

PMs have been sent, but I'm still short three.

[Buccaneer]

Why don't you just post the lineups without the contrived PR so we can have folks vote on the best?

[Solecismic]

Or just post what you have, or write a quick synopsis yourself (mine took me about five minutes). I think the little bit of PR adds to it.

[Buccaneer]

What can it add if 1) if they were all not equal in presentation and 2) not all have one? I submitted mine last week and it read like this, "I have the greatest players blah blah blah."

[WSUCougar]

Sorry for the lapse, but we had that barrage of FOFC NFL polls that I thought would dilute our challenge. I've also been having computer woes at work to add to the inherent delays (*cough*) from the challenger's submittals.

We'll roll shortly.

[WSUCougar]

Okay, here are the randomly-selected match-ups. Look for the poll threads:

Team I vs. Team II
Team III vs. Team V
Team IV vs. Team VII
Team VI vs. Team VIII

[WSUCougar]

The Round 1 polls have been posted. Voting ends in 5 days. Good luck, gentlemen!

[Chief Rum]

Looking good, WSUCougar.

The only thing I saw that stood out to me, though, was Team VI's descriptive paragraphs. I thought we were keeping this to 100 words for each side of the ball?

Team VI had 223--for offense! Then they had 147 for defense.

I worked hard to get my entries down to the 100 words myself, and I know it definitely limited what I could say. With 223 words, I coulda written magic (which would be wrong, because we're trying to determine which team is best on a fair "playing field", not who has the best writing skills).

CR