Superpower: A Civilization III Dynasty

[Franklinnoble]

Superpower: A Civilization III Dynasty

Preface:

Yes, there are plenty of Civ3 boards I could post this on – but I’m posting it here for two reasons:

1. I spend most of my time on the internet at FOFC anyway. I’d rather keep it that way, and this could potentially be a very long story.
2. The Civ3 boards have tons of these stories. I’d be just another one among thousands. Here, I’d be special. Or something.

I’ve been playing Civ3 off and on since it was initially released. I’m running the latest patched version of Civ3:Play The World (1.21f). I play at “Deity” level, which makes the AI insanely hard to keep up with, but I also cheat a little here and there, because otherwise, one can spend months in the dark ages, and that gets a little tedious. I like to spend the most time in the industrial to post-industrial WWII era. But, if the computer pisses me off, it’s off to the modern era, ICBM’s, and the smell of radioactive napalm in the morning.

I’m hoping that you can still enjoy this dynasty even if you’ve never seen Civ3, Civ2, or any other turn-based strategy game. If you’re a TBS vet, well, you’ve probably read a hundred of these, but I hope you’ll find something unique in this one. Please feel free to post comments, questions, etc. For the sake of interesting fiction, I may leave a lot of game particulars out – i.e.: I’m not going to post turn-by-turn city build orders or what tile my workers are building roads or digging mines on.

The game will start on a random map – default settings. I’ll choose 8 players – one for myself, and the 7 AI opponents. Cultural, spaceship, domination, and diplomatic victory conditions are turned off. The game is won simply by conquering the globe.

It’s going to be a little while before I post the prologue and actually start the game – if you have any input on game settings, players, etc., please feel free to post or PM them – I will be happy to take them into consideration.

[sachmo71]

I'm on board! Maybe you could name a city after me? :D

Have fun...I'll be reading!

[Celeval]

This may be the first dynasty I can talk my CivIII-semi-addicted fiancee to read every once in a while. That includes mine. Ah well. :-D

Good luck, looking forward to it!

[And I echo sachmo. Name your cities after FOFC members. Then we can either cheer or get ticked when they start getting taken over.]

[atatange1]

May I be so bold as to suggest that the capitol be named atatange? :D

[JeeberD]

JeeberD is a great name for a city! :D

[vex]

vexroid has a nice ring to it as the 1st city of this future, great nation.

[Blade6119]

Im not sure that blade sounds too good for a city, but maybe a great name for a nations general....head one to be exact ;)

[vex]

Actually Blade would make a great city name, IMO.

[The Afoci]

The Afoci would be perhaps the greatest name for a city ever. Besides of course Franklinnobleville.

[Coffee Warlord]

Coffee Warlordia must be a city in your mighty empire!

I prefer a nice beachfront location. :)

[Franklinnoble]

So let it be written, so let it be done... great men and great cities throughout the empire of the chosen people will be named after the benevolent gods of FOFC... ;)

[vex]

We are playing as the US, right?

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by vexroid
We are playing as the US, right?

I haven't decided on that yet. I've got to pick 8 civs total, and play as one of them. I'm leaning towards:

Germany
Egypt
France (I love beating up on the French)
England
China
America
Rome
Russia

I'm actually kinda partial towards Germany, mostly because their unique unit (the Panzer) comes along during my favorite period in history - plus they're a scientific and militaristic Civ, which complements my style of gameplay.

I just checked the Civ3 site, and it looks like they've recently updated PTW to 1.27f. Not sure if I'm going to apply it - I don't know if there's any benefit for single-player play.

[Coffee Warlord]

Bah, we need to be someone weird.

Mongols, Celts, or Vikings. :)

[Franklinnoble]

I don't like the Mongol UU... and their attributes are the same as the Vikings...

The Vikes are Militaristic - Expansionist (not bad) and their UU is the Berserk - an amphibious 6-2-1 unit... very nice.

I like the Celtic attributes better (Militaristic - Religious) and their UU (the Gallic Swordsman) is just a fast swordsman - not bad, either...

Time for a poll, maybe?

[RendeR]

Count me in!! I want to be a city too =)

RendeR produces!!!

[Franklinnoble]

Alright... we have a poll.

Go Vote! (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13017)

[Coffee Warlord]

I actually have always felt Industrious/Scientific is the best combo. Bonus to science/production and those workers moving fast early on is *nice*.

Usually I just edit the civ profiles and set the country I want to play up with whatever bonus specialties I want. More fun that way.

[3ric]

Cool, I'll be reading. But be sure to post screenshots of your growing empire. That's crucial to any good Civ dynasty thread.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by 3ric
Cool, I'll be reading. But be sure to post screenshots of your growing empire. That's crucial to any good Civ dynasty thread.

But of course... I've done this before over at Apolyton (you know, that once-great Civ site that's never online anymore), so I'm not entirely a rank amateur here. ;)

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Coffee Warlord
I actually have always felt Industrious/Scientific is the best combo. Bonus to science/production and those workers moving fast early on is *nice*.

Usually I just edit the civ profiles and set the country I want to play up with whatever bonus specialties I want. More fun that way.

That's definately a nice combo... I like Religious, too, for the quick government flips.

I've done substantial editing with my Civ games before... I'll probably play this one mod-free, but some of my favorite mods include:

- More upgrades: Cavalry upgrade to tanks. This is how it is in real history, anyway. I also upgrade frigates to battleships, ironclads to destroyers, and destroyers to AEGIS cruisers. I basically hate having to just disband old units.

- Better bombardment: Artillery and aerial bombing is way, way underpowered in the game - the Franco-Prussian war was won entirely by superior artillery, just as the recent Gulf conflicts have been decided by guided bombs and missiles.

- More hidden nationality characters. I make "Mercenaries", which are hidden nationality Guerillas, basically, and use them to wage private little wars without going to war. This allows me to more closely emulate the kind of dirty little secret wars that go on all the time these days. I also make a hidden nationality submarine - basically, because privateers are weak to begin with, and total useless after wooden ships are obsolete.

[3ric]

What happened to Apolyton? This thread made me check it out - well, I tried to, anyway.

[SplitPersonality1]

SplitPersonalia..no

SplitPersoniton...terrible

how about just Split...it worked for Dalmatia/Yugoslavia/Croatia for 1700+ years :)

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by 3ric
What happened to Apolyton? This thread made me check it out - well, I tried to, anyway.

No idea... CivFanatics.com is still online, and obviously there are folks there who frequent both boards... all they say is that they have constant problems keeping their server online.

It's too bad... because CivFanatics is a pretty nice site, but Apolyton was really diverse and international, and covered a wider range of games.

[GoldenEagle]

I may have to dust off my copy of Civ3.

[JeeberD]

No kidding. I just got that urge too...

[Franklinnoble]

Save your urges for the women and goats that will be left behind in our empire's wake of destruction...

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh, want in on a little secret?

Guess what game's been causing me to delay my updating of the OOTP dynasty. :)

(Although, I was planning on updating it last night. I just fell asleep though.)

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Coffee Warlord
Heh, want in on a little secret?

Guess what game's been causing me to delay my updating of the OOTP dynasty. :)

(Although, I was planning on updating it last night. I just fell asleep though.)

I get sucked into Civ3 about every 2-3 months or so. I figured I'd share it this time around with the rest of the gang.

I'm really looking forward to the new expansion pack... looks like it's going to add MUCH more to the game than the PTW expansion did.

So far, it looks like the Americans and the Vikings are the favorites in the poll... I'm still trying to decide if I want to include any mods in my game or not... and the prologue is being written right now. :D

[Franklinnoble]

Prologue: In The Beginning…

What if the foundations of our world were just a little different? What if life on Earth was repeated elsewhere… another place, another time… some things remaining eerily similar, and some appearing drastically different?

This is the question asked by the almighty Franklin – the benevolent creator of a new realm, where time begins anew, and the cultures and civilizations that we know are reborn in a new place, and under new circumstances. Eight distinct tribes will be placed on a planet and left to their own devices. Each will be granted unique gifts and attributes, and all will follow a basic set of rules for behavior, but in the end, only one will remain.

Life on this world will follow some predictable patterns. The people will have an innate inclination to observing a caste system – thus their ruling families will most likely always be the same, no matter what form of self-government they choose. A man born for war could be a merchant, if he chooses, but he will never be truly content anywhere but on a battlefield. Spheres of influence on this world will remain in constant flux, and will be determined by more than just military conquest and lines on a map. When overwhelming culture permeates beyond a nation’s borders, the very borders will indeed expand to match; an obscure concept for us, but a completely natural occurrence for those in this new world.

Finally, of the eight tribes, there will be one that is chosen by the almighty to be favored above all others. This tribe will be granted wisdom, direction, and other occasional gifts of esteem. It is their history that will be chronicled here, and it is from their point of view that this tale will be told.

[The Afoci]

*tingles*

[Franklinnoble]

Alright... I'm gonna work on a few mods I have in mind for the game (and perhaps even a custom map - haven't decided if I want to surprise myself or not) along with the introduction for "the chosen tribe" tonight and post it sometime tomorrow. Last chance to get your votes in for the Civ I'm going to play as. I'll go ahead and pick whichever one has the most votes. I've played as the Americans a million times, so I'd probably rather go with another Civ, but, hey, if that's what the people want...

[Buccaneer]

Civ2 is better.

[ducks and runs away]

[vex]

Civ 2 is better, no denying that.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
Civ2 is better.

[ducks and runs away]

No need to run, Ornery Doo Doo... Civ2 is still a good game.

But, keep in mind that Civ2 had years of patches, expansion packs, and mods thrown at it. They were still making add-ons for it right up until Civ3 came out.

I think Civ3 has the potential to be a deeper, more playable game. It's certainly already much "prettier" than Civ2. I have high hopes for the new "Conquerors" expansion pack. Check out the features:


Sid Meier's Civilization® III: Conquests is the 2nd exciting expansion pack to Sid Meier's Civilization® III, the greatest strategy game of all-time!

Sid Meier's Civilization® III: Conquests takes players on a provocative journey through the ages as they pursue victory in the most famous conquests in history.

What does Civ® Conquests give to fans of the award-winning series? Simply put - More Civ! More to Build, More to Fight, More to Rule!

Civ fans will discover intriguing new civilizations, units, wonders, technologies, and abilities to help them triumph in eight professionally designed conquests throughout history. Compete as one of the eight new Civilizations, each with its own powerful leader, unique units and special abilities, and lead your nation to its destiny. New victory conditions, Wonders of the World, terrain elements, resources, city improvements, and governments offer endless variation in your quest to rule the world. Improved multiplayer and play-by-email support, intense diplomatic situations, and a slew of editor enhancements, round out what Time Magazine calls "the greatest computer strategy game of all time."

Do you have what it takes to lead a civilization to greatness? Or, will your nation be conquered by some greater power? You decide.

Take over the World - One Conquest at a time!

Nine professionally designed adventures challenge you to recreate the great conquests of history. Battle for control of Mesopotamia in the Cradle of Civilization, or for the rich and vast resources in the Americas. Then, embark on a campaign through time as you attempt to conquer some of the most powerful civilizations ever and earn a place among the greatest leaders in history!

GAME FEATURES
More Civilizations: Seven new powerful civilizations from the innovative Sumerians to the mystical Mayans.
More Units: Use Trebuchets to batter down the enemy's walls or Sumerian Enkidu Warriors to quickly gain military dominance.
More Techs - Map the world using Satellites to explore the entire map.
More Disasters: Beware the volcanoes, or Pompeii could become your reality.
More Diplomacy Options: Locked alliances allow good vs. evil conflicts you'll never forget.
More Map Features: Bombard the enemy and leave behind craters.
More Resources: Fight for control over Tobacco, Bananas, Oasis, Salt, Sugar, Jade, and Exotic Birds.
More Wonders: Build 5 all new wonders, including the statue of Zeus and the even all new commerce bonuses
More Government Types: - Fascism, Feudalism, Tribal Council, and Imperialism are just a few of the new ways to rule your people.
More Unit Abilities - Including Stealth Attack, Enslavement, and other bonus attack modifiers such as damage multipliers can now be applied to units
More Attributes - Including two new Civ-Types: Agricultural and Seafaring
More City Specialists - Including Civil Engineers and Police Forces
More Improvements - Including improvements to the AI, Combat System, Interface, Rally Points, Governors, Leaders, Unit-Stacks, and even Game Balance!
More Game Options - Including the ability to choose Random World Sizes and new levels of difficulty such as "Demigod" and "Sid"
Extra Content - All Civs, leaders, special units, and features included from the Civilization III: Play the World™ expansion.
...And much, much, more!

Civilization® III: Conquests requires the original Civilization® III product in order to play.



Given a few years to mature, I think Civ3 can be as good as Civ2, or even Alpha Centauri (many "fanatics" say this is the best TBS game ever).

[bamcgee]

I found that the Double Your Pleasure mod for Civ 3 made the game much more complex and interesting. I also tried to go back and play Civ2, but I'm afraid that it's just too dated now for me to enjoy much.

[Franklinnoble]

Introduction: The Birth Of A Nation


Nelson bolted towards the summer campsite at a full run – he knew he had just found something important, and the chief would have to know about it. He stopped a woman carrying a jar of water from the river and asked, “Where is he? Where’s the chief?”

It seemed like the tribe was getting bigger and bigger every day – he used to know everybody… but now he was seeing more and more people he didn’t recognize. It wasn’t surprising. The chief was known for keeping his people fed and protected, and that was better than what most tribes could count on every winter.

The woman responded, “He’s in his hut – by the cluster of boxwoods just up the path.” Nelson nodded. He knew exactly where his leader’s hut was. The chief’s inclination for keeping his residence near that particular patch of shrubbery had earned him the nickname “Chief Bush.” He continued up the path and stopped to speak to the warrior guarding the chief’s door.

“I need to speak to him.” Nelson exhaled.

The guard patted the dull blade of his heavy stone axe. “What’s it about?”

Nelson stopped for a minute, and then replied, “I really can’t tell you… but it’s very important. Please tell him I’m here.”

The guard grunted, then pulled back the flap covering the door of the hut and stuck his head in. “Some guy to see you, chief. Says he can’t tell me what it’s about.”

The chief stepped into the doorway and gave Nelson a look. “Ah, it’s you. You’re the rock fella, right?”

“Yes sir. I’ve found something else you should have a look at.”

“You mean up in the hills? What is it this time?”

Nelson glanced around. The guard was listening very closely. “It’s really better if you come see it.”

The chief paused a moment, then glanced at the warrior. He was still tapping the blade of his axe. Bush smiled and spoke to Nelson, “He’s always pattin’ that axe when he gets anxious.” He turned to the guard and spoke, “George, hang here for a bit. I’m gonna go see what rock-feller here wants to show me.”

Nelson and the chief strode off towards the hills again, and after they had gotten about a quarter mile from the campground, Nelson spoke up. “Do you remember those metals I brought to you several months ago?”

“Sure I do. Neat stuff. Not as soft as gold, so it’s probably not much use for nice jewelry and coins and such, but I gave it to Howard. He’s been playing around with it.”

There was more than one Howard in the tribe, and they were both big men. “Big Howard or Huge Howard?”

“Huge. He’s a clever dude. Fashioned a way to shape it into a sharp point and put it on the end of a wooden spear. Says he might like to have more of it, if you can get it.”

“That won’t be a problem. The cave I dug that out of is on the other side of the river, but it’s pretty close by, and there’s plenty of it in there.”

They were now walking up the slope of a rocky hillside. A cave opening was visible; several rocks and a large mound of dirt had recently been removed from it and placed just outside. Nelson led the way in. They walked about fifty feet into the cavern, and stopped as they reached the wall at the back. It was too dark to see very well, and Nelson stooped over a torch and took a flint and stone from his belt pouch and began to work at lighting it. “I was digging at the wall in here when I came across something. Something big.”

Chief Bush reached out and placed his hand against the wall. It was smooth and cool to the touch. “It doesn’t feel like rock.”

A series of sparks jumped off Nelsons flint stone and caught the torch. As it crackled to life he lifted it up over his head. Bush gasped, and took a step back from the wall. The entire cave began to glow.

Nelson grinned. “Solid gold. The whole wall, as far as I’ve been able to dig.”

Bush gaped at the wall. So far, Nelson had cleared away a section that was over ten feet high and thirty feet wide. Nobody had ever even heard of a deposit of gold like this before. “Do you know what this means?”

Nelson’s smile broadened. “It means we’re rich?”

“More than just rich, Rock-feller. This could change everything for the tribe. We won’t have to go to the winter camp anymore. We can afford to stick around here, grow some crops maybe, see if we can settle down.”

Nelson turned serious. “We’ll need to protect it. If people hear about this, they’re going to try to drive us from here.”

Bush stammered. “This is a, a, a miracle! And it’s ours. We’ll protect it, all right. We’ll talk to Howard… you get him as much of that other metal as he needs to make more spears and shields. We need to keep all this quiet until we get enough of them made to arm an entire company of warriors – we just need to find enough men.” He was pacing… rubbing his chin as he pondered the unparalleled fortune before him.

Nelson spoke up. “We’ve probably got enough food for the winter. Old man McDonald’s got a farm… he’s managed to round up and tame some of the wild cows roaming the valley – he’s already trading milk from them, and he’s raising the bulls for meat. That means we can have the hunting parties stay around here to watch the campsite.”

“It’s not a campsite anymore, Rock-feller. It’s a town. We’ll name it after the wise-man.”

Nelson snickered. “Wise? You mean crazy… that guy stood out in a storm last month and got struck dead by lightning.”

“Yeah, but most of the folks really liked old Franklin… some of his ideas were a little quirky, but he was as clever as any of us.”

Nelson nodded. He and the chief took one more look at the wall of gold, and then turned to leave the cave and head back to the river. Nelson asked one more question on the way down the hill. “So, now that we’re going to settle down and make a life here, what are we gonna call ourselves?” Knowing that the chief had a penchant for silly names, he grinned as he awaited his response.

“We’re a group of people that came together thanks to a miracle. Guess that makes us “amiric-ans.”

Well, Nelson thought, it sounded better than “rock-feller.”

[Buccaneer]

It's all about scenarios and the use of events scripting that makes Civ2 still viable (check out the many Civ2 PBEM and MP scenario games still active). Even with all of the Civ3 factions, it still doesn't match the number of custom units that many Civ2 scenarios have. It is questionable whether Conquerors will finally match Civ2's scenario-making capabilities so we'll see. By the way, Civ2 MGE is only the third expansion pack and there have been only one patch for it. However, I agree about the main game, Civ3 has a lot more to offer - except that it does force the civer to play more linearly.

Good luck with this dynasty, I'll read along.

[sachmo71]

Nelson the cave man! LOL! Great stuff, Franklin! Can't wait for more!


And to think you were on my ignore list at one time...sheesh! :D

[Nyarlahotep]

Amiric-ans?!?! You may end up on my ignore list yet.

[Franklinnoble]

Bah... those who can't, critique. ;)

[Nyarlahotep]

Maybe I just can critique.

*ps - stop wasting time talking shit and get back to work on your dynasties*

[vex]

Dyyyynasssstyyyyy....

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by vexroid
Dyyyynasssstyyyyy....

I don't get it.

Are you saying I'm too slow with this?

Sorry... crappy ISP at home on the weekends... and I was stacking hay all day. Anyhow, I'll have updates soon...

[Nyarlahotep]

What a coincidence. I was stacking hay all day too. As long as by stacking hay you mean lounging around and in the pool.

[tucker342]

You know, Tucktown does have a nice ring to it:D

[tucker342]

Good idea for a dynasty!

[Nyarlahotep]

So does Nyarville.

[Franklinnoble]

I'm naming cities in the order that people posted in the thread... I've played and taken notes and screen shots through 2270 B.C. - and I have two cities total... Diety mode, even with all the advantages I modded for myself, is tough - the continental powers that be are way ahead right now - but that will change soon enough.

Expect a formal update soon...

[Franklinnoble]

Chapter One - An Infant State


http://www.noblebrown.com/sp/sp1.jpg

For four hundred years after the discovery of gold near the small village of Franklin, not much happened. The town grew a little, and prospered, but it was a quiet time. Scouts explored the nearby countryside, and the tiny band of American people enjoyed a peaceful, secluded existence.

In 3600 B.C., things changed. A scouting party in the north reported contact with another nation - a nation that was already home to two cities, and was preparing to settle a third. A nation called Rome. The scouts reported back periodically with their reports of what they had seen in Rome. Most disturbing was the nation's already formidable military. It seemed that warriors were marching about the entire countryside.

Things remained quiet for another four hundred and fifty years. Then, in 3150 B.C., scouts traveling east from Rome discovered another nation - this one inhabited by people who called themselves the Celts. They were a friendly people, but also seemed to be teeming with men of war - specifically many archers and spearmen. In 2900 B.C., scouts encountered a new people - Russian spearmen just east of Franklin. The continent had become crowded with organized tribes, all whom seemed much mightier than the small nation of America.

That same year, a brave American named Sachmo set out from Franklin and headed south with a small band of settlers, two goats, and a bag of turnips. He wandered the wilderness for fifty years, but founded a new town just before dying from some sort of freak accident with one of the goats. Just as Americans begin to celebrate their new expansion, rumors of barbarians across the bay from Franklin begin to stir feelings of uneasiness among the people. Their worries are not unfounded - in 2630 B.C., a scouting party in the west was ambushed and slaughtered, and in 2350 B.C., a band of savages approaches Franklin, cutting off the road to Sachmo along the way. Leaders vow to assemble a company of archers to take aggressive action against the barbarian threat.

In 2270 B.C., an American in Sachmo, tired of having to ride his mule all the way to Franklin every time he wanted to correspond with his brother-in-law, invented a means to send messages instead. He began to write, and the trick caught on fast throughout the empire. With this new means of communication, American envoys were sent to the capital cities of every known nation to establish embassies. Once again, this served to reveal how much more powerful America's neighbors were. Despite her vast riches, America could not keep up.

In 2070 B.C., America's first foray into the domestication of horses was underway with the completion of a road from Franklin to a nearby horse ranch in the foothills to the southeast. That same year, the town of Celeval was founded to the North (named after a wealthy wine merchant who financed the expedition and had hoped to make a cozy retirement home for himself), near the borders of Rome and the city of Pompeii.

For two hundred years, things remained largely unchanged. America grew, but at a slow pace. The barbarian problem was contained, companies of spearmen were trained in Celeval (just in case...), and plans to build a magnificent Oracle in Franklin were underway.

Then, in 1870 B.C., an emissary from Rome arrived at the palace in Franklin, seeking an audience with the chieftain. Caesar demanded 100 pounds of gold as tribute to his empire. Chief Bush responded, "America does not negotiate with terrorists." Apparently unflattered at being referred to as some sort of international menace, Caesar replied with a declaration of war.

America made preparations for its defense. There would be many years before the Roman war parties could reach her cities; ample time to ensure a proper welcome for their arrival. Envoys were sent to Russia and Ireland, and while military alliances were not successfully secured, they did return with the knowledge of horseback riding and iron working. Chief Bush smiled. There was much iron in America, and many horses. Caesar would regret his insolence.

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[Nyarlahotep]

Damn dirty Romans.

[Buccaneer]

When the game first came out, sn00p got busy and immediately produced a graphics set that puts what Firaxis did to shame because nearly everyone recognized how awkward it looked. Your screenshots of the Pimple Mountains reminded me. Don't know if you can find his graphics set but it make your screenshots look nicer, imo.

[JeeberD]

Grrr...how dare those Romans try to extort gold from us. They shall pay for their insolence...

[tucker342]

Damn Romans!

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
When the game first came out, sn00p got busy and immediately produced a graphics set that puts what Firaxis did to shame because nearly everyone recognized how awkward it looked. Your screenshots of the Pimple Mountains reminded me. Don't know if you can find his graphics set but it make your screenshots look nicer, imo.

Well, you're earning you're "curmudgeon" title in this thread, Ornery-doo-doo. ;)

sn00p's graphic set is very impressive - I've just never bothered to try making those kinds of changes to the game - the current graphics don't really bother me. Is it possible to change them once the game is already started? I wouldn't mind giving it a shot - and I'm sure I can find it (in fact, I think it might have been included with the PTW expansion CD).

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by JeeberD
Grrr...how dare those Romans try to extort gold from us. They shall pay for their insolence...

Yeah, I intend to slap them around a bit before they have legions swarming all over the place.

The AI must cheat like crazy on Deity level... EVERYBODY has like 6 cities already, and tons of troops marching around, not to mention that they're keeping a step or two ahead in the tech race. I'm trying to decide whether or not to pay the Celts and/or Russians to ally agains Rome - I think I can handle them alone, but I'd hate for the Romans to sign an allegiance with one or both of them against me.

[Coffee Warlord]

The AI, on levels past Warlord, starts with extra units, and they are programmed to make better trade deals with other AI, the higher the diff goes.

On deity, they get something like 4 settlers to start, and I think 8 warriors. It's insane.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Coffee Warlord
The AI, on levels past Warlord, starts with extra units, and they are programmed to make better trade deals with other AI, the higher the diff goes.

On deity, they get something like 4 settlers to start, and I think 8 warriors. It's insane.

That IS insane. I gave myself a killer starting position, two workers, two scouts, and 1 million gold to start with, and I'm still way behind. The extra settlers really make a big difference early on.

[sachmo71]

A town named after me...I feel so HISTORICAL.

Please don't let the evil Romans salt my lands, Franklinnoble. We're counting on you.

[RendeR]

Where's RENDLAND!!!!!!

:)

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by sachmo71
A town named after me...I feel so HISTORICAL.

Please don't let the evil Romans salt my lands, Franklinnoble. We're counting on you.

Romans as far south as Sachmo? If that ever happened, this game would be done in a hurry.

Fear not - war with Rome is still underway, but thanks to the valiant efforts of a certain general JeeberD, there is little chance Roman feet will ever trod upon the streets of Sachmo... more to come...

[JeeberD]

I like the sound of that. :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Coffee Warlordia must be born. Slaughter those Romans and settle their lands in the name of me!

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Coffee Warlord
Coffee Warlordia must be born. Slaughter those Romans and settle their lands in the name of me!

I'm going in the order that people posted here in this thread - vexroid, blade, and the afoci are just ahead of you.

Patience... there are many new cities to settle, and many lands yet to be conquered. :D

[Lokugh]

Originally posted by sachmo71
Nelson the cave man! LOL! Great stuff, Franklin! Can't wait for more!


And to think you were on my ignore list at one time...sheesh! :D

No, I think you missed it. Nelson the Rock-feller and Howard the Huge...

Lokugh

[JeeberD]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
I'm going in the order that people posted here in this thread - vexroid, blade, and the afoci are just ahead of you.

Patience... there are many new cities to settle, and many lands yet to be conquered. :D


No, no, no. I think what you meant to say is:

"The will be no Coffe Warlordia until a certain baseball game is updated!"

I bet you're sorry you ever started that dynasty, eh CW? :D

[Franklinnoble]

Chapter Two - A Forge Of Heroes

Prior to the unprovoked aggression of Rome, America had been a quiet land, and in fact the smallest nation in the world. Ceasar's mistake had been his assumption that this meant the Americans would be easy prey. His miscalculation would doom his people, and spark a great shift in the balance of power across the continent and the world.

Anvils sang across the land as America prepared to hurl a fist of iron against their northern aggressors. The first swordsmen were equipped and trained at Celeval in 1075 B.C., and immediately were deployed to eradicate the hordes of Roman warriors and archers swarming around the city's perimeter. Stone and wood fared poorly against iron, and the battle was swift and decisive. The same year, Chief Bush sent an envoy to Entremont and proposed an alliance against the Romans. Chief Brennus balked at first, but was persuaded with a sizeable sum of gold. The mighty Celts were now on the side of justice.

By 1150 B.C., Roman forces had been completely expelled from American soil. That same year, a grizzled gold prospector named Atatange, weary of wandering the west with little to show for it, settled on the coast, and named the town after himself.

Several companies of American swordsmen marched north towards Pompeii. They would take the fight to the Romans now.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally posted by JeeberD
No, no, no. I think what you meant to say is:

"The will be no Coffe Warlordia until a certain baseball game is updated!"

I bet you're sorry you ever started that dynasty, eh CW? :D

It will be...eventually. My OOTP playing desire goes in spurts.

(That, and my girlfriend is finally back in town.
I like boobs more than I like updating dynasties, thank you very much.) :D

Bring me Coffee Warlordia!

[JeeberD]

Mmmmmmm...boobies....

OK, can't blame you on that front... :)

[Franklinnoble]

Chapter Three - The Battle Of Pompeii

1500 B.C.

General JeeberD leaned on the hilt of his sword, looked across the plain at the city of Pompeii, and thought of his family. A lifetime ago, he had been a modest farmer with a small home in the Celeval foothills. He was never rich, but he had a comfortable home, a wife, and three small children. He had never seen a Roman before one of their arrows had pierced his side and left him for dead while he watched his wife raped and murdered and his children butchered. But only part of him died that day. What remained lived on.

"For today," he said aloud, to no one in particular. Vexroid's company of horsemen had already begun the assault on Pompeii, and had weakened the Roman defenses. What was left would be for his men to decide, and there was little doubt what their conclusion would be. JeeberD's story was shared by nearly every one of the men he was about to lead into battle, and at last the Romans would feel the wrath of the righteous anger of America.

JeeberD turned to face his men, who were standing in formation and awaiting the order to charge. He raised his sword high and shouted to them, "They have shed the blood of our wives and children! We shall feed our hunger for vengeance upon them this day! Do not fear death, for death can take nothing more from us than Rome already has! Make ready!"

With that, the entire company drew their swords and let out a fierce howl of anger as they charged across the plain towards the walls of Pompeii.

Nine hours later, covered in the blood of countless Romans, JeeberD and his men gathered at the gates of the city and fixed the heads of enemy leaders upon their own spears. Pompeii had been taken, and was renamed for the gallant general who had lost so much on his way there.

http://www.noblebrown.com/sp/sp8.jpg

[JeeberD]

I'm not sure whether to smile or to cry....

[Franklinnoble]

Chapter Four - A New World

For over a hundred years, war raged on in the north along the border with Rome. America continued to mass troops and send them to JeeberD to reinforce defenses and prepare for a decisive surge into the heart of the Roman empire.

Back in Franklin, there was a period of upheaval as the people were no longer happy with a mere chieftain as a leader - they wanted a divinely inspired King, like the Irish had. After a few years of general revolt and disorder (mostly which was due to the Bush family removing undesireable political adversaries), a coronation of King Bush the First was held in 1375.

Just weeks after assuming the crown, the new King was brough news from the west. The far west. American vessels had crossed the great seas and discovered a new continent, populated with many nations. Diplomatic envoys were sent without delay, and embassies were established in the capitol cities of England, France, Germany, and Mongolia. Ambassadors report that their military and scientific development is similar to America's, and collectively very formidable.

***

In 1350 B.C., a great column of men and horses marched north towards the Roman city of Neapolis. With General Vexroid leading a company of horsemen to the west of the city, several companies of swordsman began a siege from the east.

The Romans proved tougher than expected. The swordsmen were nearly completely annihilated, and Vexriod's company suffered heavy casualties. Vexroid himself had lost most of his left arm in the battle, but refused to retreat. Standing on the banks of the river, the general sat tall in his saddle and spoke to his men. "I know you are tired. Many of our brothers have died this day, and many still may die, but we must press on. Neapolis is nearly beaten. If we strike now, the city will be ours. If we wait to regroup, Roman reinforcements will arrive, and it may be years before we have this opportunity again. I ask you now to pick up your spears and make one last charge with me."

Even the most sorely wounded rose to re-mount their horses and ride again into Neapolis. General Vexroid had been right - the Romans were severely weakened, and fell swiftly under the hooves of the American assault. The gamble had worked, and the city was renamed for the man who had rolled the dice.

***

1200 B.C.

They called him Blade, because a Roman knife had pierced his thigh in the battle of JeeberD and broken off. Most of the blade remained, and he walked with a limp since.

Decorated for valor but unfit for further military service, he had been commissioned by the King to seek out new lands to settle. Much of the west was still untamed, and he had heard from a merchant in Atatange that there were unusually high deposits of silkworms in the forests to the north, so he had led his group of settlers there, and founded a city that he hoped would someday bring great riches to his people.

***

The tide had turned. With the battle of Vexroid, America had crushed the largest remainder of the Roman army. Scores of fresh troops were arriving daily at Vexroid and sent marching north towards Rome, where America would bring the battle right to Ceasar's front door.

http://www.noblebrown.com/sp/sp8rome.jpg

[Chief Rum]

Good stuff, Franklin. Keep it up.

CR

[tucker342]

Great stuff, keep it up!:D

[Buccaneer]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Well, you're earning you're "curmudgeon" title in this thread, Ornery-doo-doo. ;)

sn00p's graphic set is very impressive - I've just never bothered to try making those kinds of changes to the game - the current graphics don't really bother me. Is it possible to change them once the game is already started? I wouldn't mind giving it a shot - and I'm sure I can find it (in fact, I think it might have been included with the PTW expansion CD).

Yes, I don't see any reason why you can't use these files mid-stream (goes into effect when you start Civ3).

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8969

[vex]

Great stuff, soon Vexroid will be the most prosperous and feared city in the world!

[Nyarlahotep]

Until Nyarvilletonapolis is founded.

[JeeberD]

I'm just keeping an eye on those mountains around JeeberD (nee Pompeii). They aren't smoking, are they? ;)

[Celeval]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
A lifetime ago, he had been a modest farmer with a small home in the Celeval foothills.

LOL, I love it.

Good job so far.

Kevin

[Franklinnoble]

Chapter Five - The Fall of Rome

1150 B.C.

For nearly 3,000 years, the great city of Rome had been the centerpiece of a shining empire, and the heart of convergence for the collective enlightenment of one of the world's most advanced cultures. Romans had once fondly referred to the city as "The Foci," which, roughly translated, is latin for hearth and home. It was the pride of an entire race.

As Julius Ceasar looked across the fields south of the city from the balcony of the imperial palace, he knew it would all soon end. Innumerable columns of American troops marched towards the city, and before the sun would set this day, Rome would belong to America.

Most of the population had already begun to flee. In the six hundred years that Rome had been at war, America had only grown stronger, and by now, there was no stopping them. If it had been just the Americans, perhaps the empire could have survived the onslaught, but Bush had been wise to bribe the Celts into an alliance. As America chipped away at the south, Ireland attacked from the east. Their Gallic swordsmen were swift and lethal, and Rome could not bear the burden of such a war on two fronts.

When Neapolis fell, the plunder of Rome was assured. Ceasar had no army in the south any longer. The Americans regrouped and prepared for the offensive that was about to unfold.

Ceasar bowed his head. Why had Rome provoked the wrath of these people? It seemed simple enough at the time. America was small. Rome was not. America's military was weak. Rome's was not. America was wealthy. Rome was not. Rome should demand wealth from the small and weak. America refused to pay tribute to their bigger neighbor, and Rome had but to invade and take it.

Ah, but while money may not buy happiness, it can buy swords and spears. Many of them. Perhaps if the initial attack on Celeval had succeeded, things would be different. Instead, the Americans were able to weather the initial barrage, and the rest was now history.

Ceasar turned away from the balcony and headed for the stables. He would have to leave Rome immediately if he did not wish to have his head upon a spear by nightfall. Rome would continue to fight, but the empire had been crushed. All that remained was the faint hope for survival.

When American troops captured the palace later that day, they declared that Rome was no longer the "hearth and home" of the empire, and re-named the city The Afoci as an eternal reminder to the enemies of America.

[The Afoci]

I am Rome! I am Rome!

[Lights self on fire and runs around room]

I am Rome! I am Rome!

[tucker342]

Great Stuff!:D


Who would've thought that you would be doing so well in this war....

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by tucker342
Great Stuff!:D


Who would've thought that you would be doing so well in this war....

I modded the game so that I'd start with obnoxious sums of cash. Otherwise, I'd have little chance of keeping up with the AI on Deity level. ;)

[StanGunner]

What a diverse group we have on FOFC. Even a dynasty far from football catches our interest. I really enjoyed reading this. Keep up this most excellent thread. Put me in for a General please.

[RendeR]

Where do you edit the amount you start with? maybe I'm just missing it, I tried setting it higher in the editor, but when I started a game, nothing was there...

[Franklinnoble]

Chapter Six - Perpetual War

As Ceasar fled, there were events in the south of America that had captured the attention of the King in Franklin. Russian troops had been spotted in the mountains between Franklin and Sachmo. Immediately, an envoy was sent to Moscow to demand an explaination and the removal of the troops. Catherine complied, and pleaded ignorance regarding the incident.

In 1125 B.C., King Brennus requested an audience in Franklin. The agreement for a military alliance against Rome had expired, and he did not wish to renew it. What he really meant was that, yes, his troops were enjoying the spoils of war, but he'd like to milk more money out of keeping a "formal" alliance with America. Out of deference to their cash-strapped allies, America renews the agreement with an offer of communications with the nations of the new world and 25 pounds of gold.

Of course, the Celts need to learn a thing or two about managing their money - in 1100 B.C., while the war with Rome is already decided, they sign a military alliance with France against the Romans. No doubt Joan of Ark will enjoy lining her coffers with Celtic gold knowing full well that Rome will be a distant memory before her troops can arrive.

***

1075 B.C.

The siege on Antium, the new capitol of Rome, was bloody. Nearly the entire force that had taken Rome had been wiped out in the assault, and that was after two companies of Gallic swordsmen had been exhausted in softening their defenses. The final breakthrough had been made by General Galesburg's company of horsemen. Galesburg had earned the nickname "Coffee Warlord" for his habit of feeding his horses coffee beans before every battle. He was convinced the beasts ran faster under the influence, even if they did always seem nervous and jittery. One of his men hung a hand-painted sign on the gates of the city that read "Coffee Warlordia" in jest after the decisive battle. The name stuck.

That same year, scouts near Blade reported a massive uprising of barbarians in the north. Citizens of the city remained confident that their defenses would hold strong, as the King had just begun to issue stronger iron armor and pikes to all the spearmen in the empire.

Russian troops were again caught wandering the mountains near Sachmo, and again asked to leave. This time, however, they refused. King Bush sent an envoy to Moscow and demanded that the troops leave, or they would be considered a hostile invasion force. Catherine scoffed, and replied with a declaration of war. Had she learned nothing from the example made of the Romans?

Bush immediately contacted King Brennus, who was all too happy to join forces against the Russians (for a small sum of gold, of course). Someday, the Celtic love of war might prove problematic, but today, their swords are a welcome ally against the Russian threat.

In the north, the war with Rome, while in it's waning stages, continued. During the battle for Pisae, a company of swordsmen found themselves in disarray as their captain was struck down by a Roman spear. A young soldier named RendeR began to rally his comrades in the midst of the battle, and led the final charge into the city. He emerged as a great and respected leader, and the town was re-named for him.

General RendeR was assigned to The Afoci to assemble an army. But it would be for others to finish off the few remaining Roman settlements. RendeR's army would be sent southeast - to Russia.

The Northern Front - What Remains Of Rome
http://www.noblebrown.com/sp/sp101025bc.jpg

The Southeastern Front - Russia Invades!
http://www.noblebrown.com/sp/sp111025bc.jpg

Map Of The World - Celts Dominate The Continent
http://www.noblebrown.com/sp/sp10minimap1150bc.jpg

Top 5 Cities
http://www.noblebrown.com/sp/sp10top51150bc.jpg

Current Score - America Still Lags
http://www.noblebrown.com/sp/sp10score1150bc.jpg

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by RendeR
Where do you edit the amount you start with? maybe I'm just missing it, I tried setting it higher in the editor, but when I started a game, nothing was there...

Click on "Scenario." Check "Custom Player Data." Then select "Player Properties" from the same menu. Just jack up the starting treasury for Player 1, and there you are...

[The Afoci]

Romans, now the Russians. What do you have againts R man. You disguist me.

I am Rome. I am Rome. I am Rome.

[RendeR]

General RendeR Reporting for Command Sire =)

[GoldenEagle]

If I support your hattrick team, can I get a city named after me? :)

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
If I support your hattrick team, can I get a city named after me? :)

Anybody posting in this thread gets a city named after them eventually, in the order that they first posted. You're third on the current waiting list already.

But, hey, if you wanna get bumped up to first, I don't have ANY hattrick supporters right now. ;)

**Edit** Correction... Nyarlahotep is a supporter - I didn't realize it; Hattrick doesn't send you an alert or anything when that happens. Guess he get's bumped up on the list now - he's currently 6th. ;)

[Qwikshot]

Just watch out for the French...!

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Qwikshot
Just watch out for the French...!

Why?

Actually, it's the Mongols that I expected to be tough. I deliberately made one starting position on the map as nice as my own on the other continent - just to be sure I had a solid adversary late in the game. The Mongols ended up getting it.

I don't expect to wage much war with any of the nations overseas before the modern era - too hard to move large numbers of troops before the advent of transports and the ability to airdrop. If anyone overseas declares war, I'll just make alliances and play coastal defense against whatever they send over. My long-term plan is to eventually dominate the continent, and then the world! Bwah ha ha ha ha!

[JeeberD]

It's pretty funny. I started a similair Civ dynasty today, and the two cities that keep going into Civic Disorder are Franklin and Afoci. Seems kinda appropriate... :D

[The Afoci]

Originally posted by JeeberD
It's pretty funny. I started a similair Civ dynasty today, and the two cities that keep going into Civic Disorder are Franklin and Afoci. Seems kinda appropriate... :D

You trying to start something. I will cause a ruckus! A ruckus!

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by JeeberD
It's pretty funny. I started a similair Civ dynasty today, and the two cities that keep going into Civic Disorder are Franklin and Afoci. Seems kinda appropriate... :D

You gonna post yours here, too?

[JeeberD]

Ummm....no. Mine's not that exciting so far...

[Franklinnoble]

Good... I'll enjoy the Civ 3 dynasty monopoly here while I can. ;)

[GoldenEagle]

I want to play Civ3 but its at my girlfriends house and we are not talking to each other right now.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
I want to play Civ3 but its at my girlfriends house and we are not talking to each other right now.

So? This means you can't go over there and get your stuff?

[sachmo71]

We're number 3! We're number 3!

[JeffNights]

Playing CIV3 is nothing like CIV2, which i loved, this game you turn it on deity and get ready to take a pounding without any lube.

well, maybe i just suck.

[Havok]

Hey, i got a quick CIV III question.

I bought this game right when it came out. But while i was playing my first game i got really far into. I was very far "technlogically" then anyone else. So i had tanks while they were still using Phalanx's.

Anyway, i drove a tank unit into a city that was being guarded by a Phalanx unit and my tank unit was destroyed. I turned the game off, deleted it from my computer, and haven't played it since.

My question is, has this problem been fixed??? or can old weak units still beat new updated units sometimes???

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by JeffNights
Playing CIV3 is nothing like CIV2, which i loved, this game you turn it on deity and get ready to take a pounding without any lube.

well, maybe i just suck.

No, I'd be getting my ass handed to me in this game if I hadn't been cheating. Basically, I play at this level because it keeps the game moving along at a much quicker pace. Even while giving yourself numerous advantages, the AI can still give you a run for the money.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Havok
Hey, i got a quick CIV III question.

I bought this game right when it came out. But while i was playing my first game i got really far into. I was very far "technlogically" then anyone else. So i had tanks while they were still using Phalanx's.

Anyway, i drove a tank unit into a city that was being guarded by a Phalanx unit and my tank unit was destroyed. I turned the game off, deleted it from my computer, and haven't played it since.

My question is, has this problem been fixed??? or can old weak units still beat new updated units sometimes???

It's still possible, but a lot less likely since the Civ3 1.29f patch. You have to look at it numerically. Defensive bonuses are granted to the phalanx for each of the following:

- It's in a defensive stance
- The city has walls
- The city is large (over size 12, I think)
- The city is on a hill
- The city is across a river from the attacking unit.
- The attacking unit has already moved this turn.

I'm probably leaving a few out, but, basically, the idea is to make it a little harder for cities to get wiped out.

[RendeR]

Even if an attacking tank is destroyed, which could happen if a weak old unit managed to get really lucky, it shouldn't happen consistantly, your tanks if you sent say 3 of them, shouldn't lose more than 1 in their attack. but thats based on numerical analysis, not the luck of the dice, so to speak.

[Franklinnoble]

What really ticks me off is that even after the latest 1.27f patch, PTW still crashes with chronic "out of synch" errors when I play LAN games. I don't know why they can't figure this out... but, basically, the only way I can play is single player or hotseat (haven't tried e-mail).

[Franklinnoble]

Just a quick update... I spent a little time over the weekend playing with the graphics set that Bucc recommended... very nice looking. So the next updates will include prettier screen-shots. Now it's off to war with Russia. Any strategic suggestions?

[The Afoci]

Kill them.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by The Afoci
Kill them.

Simple, brutal, and with a hint of bloodthirstiness... I like it.

[SplitPersonality1]

Great stuff Franklin. This is better than many of the Civ dynasties at the old Apolyton site. Keep up the good work.

[Bee]

Very entertaining read Franklin.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by SplitPersonality1
Great stuff Franklin. This is better than many of the Civ dynasties at the old Apolyton site. Keep up the good work.

I guess Apolyton is totally dead now... I've been trying to get in repeatedly since starting this thread, with no luck at all.

Good thing Civfanatics is still around, I guess... Lots of preview info for the new expansion pack out there.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Just a quick update... I spent a little time over the weekend playing with the graphics set that Bucc recommended... very nice looking. So the next updates will include prettier screen-shots. Now it's off to war with Russia. Any strategic suggestions?

Win.

[JAG]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
I guess Apolyton is totally dead now... I've been trying to get in repeatedly since starting this thread, with no luck at all.

Good thing Civfanatics is still around, I guess... Lots of preview info for the new expansion pack out there.

Hm, I just tried www.apolyton.com and didn't have a problem.

[JeeberD]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Now it's off to war with Russia. Any strategic suggestions?

Feed their captured soldiers to our horrible man-eating horses...

[Franklinnoble]

Weird... I still can't reach it. Wonder if it's just some bizarre problem with my LAN here...

[SplitPersonality1]

Originally posted by JAG
Hm, I just tried www.apolyton.com and didn't have a problem.

Did they change web addresses. Wasn't it "dot net" at one time?

[Bee]

I visited apolyton a couple times this weekend looking for something and didn't have any problems accessing the site.

[sachmo71]

Old timers knew it as Apolyton.net. If it's .com, then it's a change, but that would explain the "death of Apolyton".

[GoldenEagle]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
What really ticks me off is that even after the latest 1.27f patch, PTW still crashes with chronic "out of synch" errors when I play LAN games. I don't know why they can't figure this out... but, basically, the only way I can play is single player or hotseat (haven't tried e-mail).

Where can I download this patch at?

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
Where can I download this patch at?

www.civ3.com

They probably also have a mirror at www.civfanatics.com

[GoldenEagle]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
So? This means you can't go over there and get your stuff?

Everything is better now since we did it in the butt :D

I am getting the patch now. Your monoply may be over with soon.

[The Afoci]

I hope she didn't hurt you too bad. I would hate for one bad experience to ruin everything.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
Everything is better now since we did it in the butt :D

I am getting the patch now. Your monoply may be over with soon.

QOTM, baby! :D

Oh, and definately try out the new graphics set that Bucc recommended. Much prettier...

I look forward to reading your dynasty.... maybe we'll have to try a FOFC PBEM dynasty sometime...

[Franklinnoble]

Just a quick update... I haven't abandoned this dynasty, just had too much domestic responsibilty of late, with the new baby due soon and all.

[JeeberD]

Priorities man, Priorities!!!

[The Afoci]

Hey Franklinnoble, don't be embarrassed to post you getting your but kicked by the ruskies. We all understand. ;)

[Franklinnoble]

** Bump **

Another Golden Scribes nomination... I'm stoked.

I can't finish this dynasty, because I lost the computer that I had the saved game on.

I did, however, get a copy of the new Conquests expansion pack for Christmas. I'm going to start over with that, and do a new dynasty.

Thanks to everyone who read and participated. If anyone has Conquests, and would like to do a PBEM game (I can only do 1-2 turns a day with that), I'd be happy to make THAT the next dynasty.

Let me know. I'm leaning towards Carthage as the Civ of choice for Superpower II.

[finkenst]

outstanding dynasty, FN.

Almost makes me want to find my civ3 disk (original) and play some.

--tim

[Celeval]

I have C3C, as does my fiancee... but we haven't played PBEM before. What goes into it?

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Celeval
I have C3C, as does my fiancee... but we haven't played PBEM before. What goes into it?

Honestly, I've never done a PBEM game before... this would be a first.