OT - 'No hang-ups about the fag business': Arnold for Governor

[NoMyths]

Read this interview (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/arnoldoui1.html) that Arnold gave Oui magazine in 1977. Sex, drugs, and more sex. Heck, almost enough for him to hang with the Commander in Chief.

[NoMyths]

dola...

I should also make clear that I disapprove of Arnold being taken seriously as a political candidate.

[Philliesfan980]

I really don't care about it one way or the other - but at least he's not corrupt like most guys. He's out there saying how he feels. Thats fine.

[FBPro]

Go Arnold :)

[The Afoci]

Does his use of drugs and having sex in the seventies really hinder his ability to do this?

[NoMyths]

Not necessarily. My disapproval of Arnold has little to do with this interview, his sex life, or his drug use.

On the other hand, according to one of the recent anti-drug campaigns, yes. Supposedly drug use funds terrorism. In which case both Arnold (like Mr. Bush during the cocaine years) evidently did more than his share in contributing to a more dangerous world.

Hey, you asked. :)

[Draft Dodger]

tame stuff compared to the Premiere article a few years back.

still, if anything, that article just tells me that Arnold was a) human and b) honest.

[The Afoci]

Originally posted by NoMyths
Not necessarily. My disapproval of Arnold has little to do with this interview, his sex life, or his drug use.

On the other hand, according to one of the recent anti-drug campaigns, yes. Supposedly drug use funds terrorism. In which case both Arnold (like Mr. Bush during the cocaine years) evidently did more than his share in contributing to a more dangerous world.

Hey, you asked. :)

I did ask. You could also throw Clinton in. I am sure the terrorist get there money whether you inhale or not. But for me, it doesn't matter. I am one who thinks Clinton is wrong for lying about his bj, but really could care less that it happened. But that doesn't matter for our discussion.

If your disapproval of Arnold has little to do with this interview and this thread is obviously anti-Arnold, why didn't you post the things you dislike rather than the things you are neutral on?

Just so you know, I am probably more republican than not, but have no real strong feelings for either side as I feel neither side will send us into a pit of hell too quickly.

[Mustang]

You ever notice that when you read a quote by Arnold that you do his voice in your head???

[FBPro]

Originally posted by Mustang
You ever notice that when you read a quote by Arnold that you do his voice in your head???

Exactly.....

[thesloppy]

There was a semi-interesting article in the London Daily Mail recently regarding Arnold's penchant for grabbin' boobies.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/showbiz/articles/6270067?source=Daily%20Mail

[JPhillips]

From Arnold recently:

"Gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman"

[The Afoci]

Originally posted by JPhillips
From Arnold recently:

"Gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman"

I suppose you have never misspoke at all. It just happens to be that when he does he has a microphone in his face.

Then again it could be that he is a complete idiot and has no clue what he is doing yet win the election and the whole world will fall apart. How can this idiot walk upright? Steriods.

[The Afoci]

Dola

That is hilarous.

[JPhillips]

Afoci: Personally I hope Cali ends up with Larry Flynt or Gary Coleman. The people of Cali got themselves in this mess and I hope they get hosed.

As for Arnold, he probably is the closest to my thoughts on many issues as any candidate. I can't support him though because he has no plaform. He's for good things and nice endings. If you don't believe me, look at his budget plan, oh yeah he hasn't really released one. He only says he won't raise taxes or cut education. That leaves 50 bill or so in budget and ten bill or so in cuts needed. It won't ever happen.

If Arnold stops talking in platitudes and comes up with some solutions to Cali's problems I hope he wins. Until then I'm for the Smut peddler with a heart!

[Fritz]

JPhillips - again with the friggen plans!

I think you had a litle too much A-Team growing up

[Maple Leafs]

Originally posted by JPhillips
From Arnold recently:
"Gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman" Not that I dispute the quote above, but does anyone suspect that all the "hilarious Dan Quayle quotes" that turned into "hilarious George W. Bush quotes" are about to turn into "hilarious Arnold quotes"?

[rexallllsc]

Originally posted by JPhillips
Afoci: Personally I hope Cali ends up with Larry Flynt or Gary Coleman. The people of Cali got themselves in this mess and I hope they get hosed.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board.

You hope other people get "hosed"?

[SackAttack]

Yeah, 55% of the people in this state are idiots, yet since all it takes is a simple majority to ELECT idiots, you want an entire state to get screwed over?

I hope JPhillips' state runs itself into the ground, just so he can get hosed. </sarcasm>

[Killebrew]

America deserves a brilliant man like Arnie in a position of political power - gooooo Arnie!

[Runtheball]

Ummmm, JPhillips! Exactly how did the people of Cali get themselves into this mess?

Maybe what the people of California really need is a bucktoothed, overall-wearin', banjo-pickin', moonshine-drinkin', sister-kissin', hillbilly to come out here and show us how to run things?

Be nice now, or the people of Cali will send Gary Coleman out to Kentucky to hose you!

:p

[KWhit]

Wow, the Arnold apologists are busy tonight.


A candidate for governor is on record saying that he had participated in orgies and has quotes attributed to him like:

"We had girls backstage giving head, then all of us went out and I won."

"I can look at a chick who's a little out of shape and if she turns me on, I won't hesitate to date her. If she's a good fuck, she can weigh 150 pounds, I don't care."

"Men shouldn't feel like fags just because they want to have nice-looking bodies...Gay people are fighting the same kind of stereotyping that bodybuilders are: People have certain misconceptions about them just as they do about us. Well, I have absolutely no hang-ups about the fag business..."

Not to mention the whole drug business. Or the fact that he doesn't seem to have an opinion on ANY issue. I am amazed that there hasn't been an uproar about his past. It seems to me that he is getting a free pass compared to other political figures.

[mckerney]

Well, it is kind of hard for the Grey Davis supporters to bring up his past and use it to discredit him.

[Sharpieman]

It's funny because I saw Arnold telling little kids at a school in LA to say "no to violence"....wait wait, it would be better if I put it like this:

It's funny because I saw the Terminator telling little kids at a school in LA to say "no to violence"....actually that didn't really do it for me ah heres the one:

It's funny because I saw Conan the Barbarian telling little kids at a school in LA to say "no to violence"...ah thats the one

[JPhillips]

Listen, I'm no Davis fan, but this recall ws funded by one rich, power hungry guy. This most certainly was not a popular uprising. When it became apparent that Issa was going to pull it off the nationalleadership got interested. Since Arnold's announcment they have been pressuring people to step down. This is less about a popularrevolt and more about power politics. As such, I don't want to see this kind of behavior rewarded.

I'l admit the getting hosed stuff was a bit much, but wen I say Cali broughtit on themselves I am talking about more than the recall. The budgt situation i a direct result of propositions, term limits, the super majority rule, and non contested legislative districts. I'll agree that spending has risen over the past decade, but the people keep electing those guys to office.

The system in Cali is broken, not the governor. Do you really think Arnold or Bustamante or McClintok can solve the problems by themselves? The recall isn't going to fix things, its just a distraction. And if we are going to be distracted, why not the Smut peddler with a heart?

[mckerney]

Well, no matter who's elected there, they are going to be a helluva lot better than Jesse Ventura.

[Mustang]

People being interviewed in Oui magazine talking about getting head and participating in an orgy?!?!?!

Will this madness never end??!?

[RealDeal]

What so bad about an actor becoming a politician?

A politician has to do something before they become a politician, otherwise they are a "career politician" (yuck). Acting is a career like anything else.

I'm not nuts about Ah-nald, but I just don't understand the actor angle. I don't mind the stuff in the magazine article either. It was 25 years ago. Clinton was doing that stuff while he was in office.

If you want to be worried about Ahnald, worry about the fact that his state has nearly $40 billion in debt, and his first campaign promise was to spend more on social programs.

[ice4277]

I still find it amazing that what people did or said three decades ago can have such a bearing on their lives today. And you know, its all bullshit anyways, because I'll bet 95% of the people bitching about what Arnold said back then were defending Clinton to the last after it came out that he smoked pot. And vice versa.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by KWhit

...I am amazed that there hasn't been an uproar about his past. It seems to me that he is getting a free pass compared to other political figures.

You think Hollywood would allow that?

[Runtheball]

Originally posted by JPhillips
Listen, I'm no Davis fan, but this recall ws funded by one rich, power hungry guy. This most certainly was not a popular uprising. When it became apparent that Issa was going to pull it off the nationalleadership got interested. Since Arnold's announcment they have been pressuring people to step down. This is less about a popularrevolt and more about power politics. As such, I don't want to see this kind of behavior rewarded.

I'l admit the getting hosed stuff was a bit much

This I can agree with 100%!

Like you said, its power politics. California is such a rich prize for either party, and the time was ripe for this kind of political maneuver. It wouldnt surprise me to learn that this whole arrangement had been planned for years; all of it, from the phoney energy crisis right through Arnold's joining the race. And you can be sure that Issa, (a complete unknown just a year ago, and likely just a pawn of the GOP leadership) will be well compensated for his efforts.

[KWhit]

Originally posted by ice4277
I still find it amazing that what people did or said three decades ago can have such a bearing on their lives today. And you know, its all bullshit anyways, because I'll bet 95% of the people bitching about what Arnold said back then were defending Clinton to the last after it came out that he smoked pot. And vice versa.

But that's my point, in a way. Arnie's getting a free pass. A few guys yapping about it on a message board isn't in any way comparable to the uproar that Clinton's drug use got.

I personally have not seen any of these quotes or the information that Arnie did drugs on the national news, have you?

I think the "liberal media" has been treating Arnie quite kindly.

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by KWhit
But that's my point exactly. I can't believe Arnie's getting a free pass. A few guys yapping about it on a message board isn't in any way comparable to the uproar that Clinton's drug use got.

I personally have not seen any of these quotes or the information that Arnie did drugs on the national news, have you?

I think the "liberal media" has been treating Arnie quite kindly.

Yup. They planned out in the black helicopters. Nice work, Dale.

[Dutch]

The system in Cali is broken, not the governor. Do you really think Arnold or Bustamante or McClintok can solve the problems by themselves? The recall isn't going to fix things, its just a distraction. And if we are going to be distracted, why not the Smut peddler with a heart?

So what has Davis done exactly to try and fix the system in Cali or is this something the Democrats are saying will always be broken?

[clintl]

Originally posted by Dutch
So what has Davis done exactly to try and fix the system in Cali or is this something the Democrats are saying will always be broken?

The biggest problem is the 2/3 vote requirement in the legislature to pass a budget, IMO, and neither the governor nor anyone in the legislature has the will to try to change that. Plus, it would take a vote of the people to change it, anyway, so no one in the government can actually do anything to solve the problem without a vote on an initiative. The conservative anti-tax groups that got the state constitutional amendment passed in the first place are very aggressive at defending the 2/3 requirement by claiming that taxes would skyrocket if it were lifted. However, the main effect of this requirement now is a late budget that neither party is really accountable for, because the minority party can hold it hostage. We went through the exact same problems during the last recession, when Wilson was governor. California is one of only three states with a 2/3 vote requirement to pass a budget, and it has been a disaster ever since it was enacted, especially in bad economic times. Even in good times, when there was plenty of revenue to pass around or use for tax cuts, the budget battles have been bloody and usually resulted in late budgets.

Fortunately, there is an initiative that has qualified for the March ballot to lower the threshold to 55%. Not perfect, but at least then, the majority party would have both the responsibility and ability to govern, and we would know who to blame if they weren't doing it well.

[Franklinnoble]

The choice of candidates for this election is so un-inspiring that Davis could probably stay in office if he'd just repeal the car tax increase.

[clintl]

For all the predictions of it being a circus, so far, this is the dullest election campaign I can remember. The circus appears to have ended at the moment the candidates were certified.

Just as an aside, I heard on the news last night that Nevada might have its own recall election. Some right-wing Republican from Las Vegas is launching a recall effort against the Republican governor there, apparently for not being conservative enough.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by KWhit
A candidate for governor ... has quotes attributed to him like:

"Men shouldn't feel like fags just because they want to have nice-looking bodies...Gay people are fighting the same kind of stereotyping that bodybuilders are: People have certain misconceptions about them just as they do about us. Well, I have absolutely no hang-ups about the fag business..."


Hmmm. Other than an unrefined use of non-PC terminology, you might make the case that there's a fairly sensitive statement underneath all that.

[heybrad]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
The choice of candidates for this election is so un-inspiring that Davis could probably stay in office if he'd just repeal the car tax increase.
According to Davis it was a fee, not a tax. That may not seem like much to you and me but these technicalities matter a lot to slimy politicians.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by heybrad
According to Davis it was a fee, not a tax. That may not seem like much to you and me but these technicalities matter a lot to slimy politicians.

Hey, whether you call it a mop handle or a broomstick doesn't matter much when you're getting sodomized by it.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally posted by QuikSand
Hmmm. Other than an unrefined use of non-PC terminology, you might make the case that there's a fairly sensitive statement underneath all that. Bingo. And considering this was the 70s, and the speaker could barely speak english, I'm not sure how PC we should expect the terminology to be.

[JPhillips]

Dutch: See Clintl.

The Repubs in Cali refused to sign off on any plan that the Dems backed. Because of the 2/3 rule that ended things. They didn't propose a solution, they just were against Davis'. Now I of course think the Dems would do the same thing. Its the rules put in place through initiative that have fucked Cali.

Clintl: I also read about a Repub leg in PA that wants to draft legislation to create a recall process so they can get Rendell. I really hope this isn't SOP now.

[heybrad]

Originally posted by JPhillips
The Repubs in Cali refused to sign off on any plan that the Dems backed. Because of the 2/3 rule that ended things. They didn't propose a solution, they just were against Davis'. Now I of course think the Dems would do the same thing. Its the rules put in place through initiative that have fucked Cali.
I see this problem in government as being huge and part of this backlash (and who knows, maybe more to come). These guys were all elected knowing what there jobs would be. To sit back and say, "well, we cant agree on anything so we're not going to do anything" is ridiculous. What if this were a business? I think the outcome would be fairly predictable if everyone sat around refusing to comprosise (shitty). Why do we accept this in politics?

[Dutch]

These guys were all elected knowing what there jobs would be. To sit back and say, "well, we cant agree on anything so we're not going to do anything" is ridiculous. What if this were a business? I think the outcome would be fairly predictable if everyone sat around refusing to comprosise (shitty). Why do we accept this in politics?

A governor can make changes. The current one is riding the the wave. A little shake up is neccessary.

And I don't want to here the "Davis is a victim of partisanship" either. If anything, you can say, "Live by the sword, die by the sword." After living in California for 8 years until 2001 I remember well the energy problems. And when Bush got into office, almost immediately it became (according to Davis) a Federal crisis rather than the State crisis that it was while Clinton was in office. And when Bush told Davis his thoughts were that is sure seemed like a state problem, Davis and his Democratic cronies almost broke out in song and dance because they were so happy that they were one of the first to have a major partisan disagreement with the Republican President.

The dude is quite simply pathetic and worse than that, he's weak. I'm probably mistaken since I've spent so much time in California, but hasn't the math scores in California dropped to dead last in the nation since Davis has been governor?