Do the skins have a shot at Drew Henson?

[Taur]

I say that is a big YES!

Henson leaving baseball story from ESPN here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1607111)
Another FOF post about Henson's decision to leave baseball and his QB abilities here (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13437&highlight=henson)

Let me see if I have all the Drew Henson Ands here.

Drew Henson is looking for a team that has enough cap room to sign him And has enough rookie cap room to sign him And has an active roster spot to keep him And is a team that he wants to play for.

When I first heard of all these conditions the Washington Redskins came to the forefront. The Redskins were 4.85 million under the cap as of 08/11/03 And They have the rookie cap space(1 draft pick on active roster), And NO 3rd String QB on active roster, And No "Franchise" type QB on the current roster.

Ands, does anyone know why the Redskins waived both their 3rd & 4th string QBs. The emergency 3rd string QB doesn't even cost you an active roster space.

[Bee]

Originally posted by Taur

does anyone know why the Redskins waived both their 3rd & 4th string QBs. The emergency 3rd string QB doesn't even cost you an active roster space.

The 3rd string QB counts against the 53 player roster, just not against the 46 active players if they don't play. They cut the rookie to put him on the practice squad (like most teams do with "projects") and they cut Woeful because they knew no one else would sign him so he's always a phone call away.

[Fritz]

you sure they have rookie money?

[Ksyrup]

I read that Snyder wanted Wuerffel off the roster so that Chief Throwing Visor wouldn't be tempted to bench Ramsey after the first incompletion in favor of the guy who won him a national championship. If true, that's probably the first smart move anyone has ever attributed directly to Snyder.

[Blade6119]

Don't the texans still own his rights? Man, i made fun of the texans for picking him, and now i just look stupid...

[Butter]

Does anyone else find it humorous that Dobby the Elf has found himself coaching a team whose alternate uniform scheme is very similar to Florida State's?

I do, anyway.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Blade6119
Don't the texans still own his rights? Man, i made fun of the texans for picking him, and now i just look stupid...

Yes. and since he isn't signed, he cannot be traded AT ANY POINT this season. Remember last year when the Skins were thinking of trading Ramsey to Chicago? they didn't have him signed before the deadline (sometime before the end of the preseason), making it impossible to trade him.

I firmly believe the Texans will sign Henson at some point this year to a 2 year league minimum contract with a 26,000 signing bonus. They will then trade him before next season to a team that will re-negotiate the contract before consummating the trade. He'll get paid like a first round draft pick, but won't be playing for anyone before next season.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Yes. and since he isn't signed, he cannot be traded AT ANY POINT this season. Remember last year when the Skins were thinking of trading Ramsey to Chicago? they didn't have him signed before the deadline (sometime before the end of the preseason), making it impossible to trade him.

I firmly believe the Texans will sign Henson at some point this year to a 2 year league minimum contract with a 26,000 signing bonus. They will then trade him before next season to a team that will re-negotiate the contract before consummating the trade. He'll get paid like a first round draft pick, but won't be playing for anyone before next season.

If this is true (not that I doubt it) then why are people talking about this at all? Wouldn't that make the result self-evident -- that Henson simply re-declares for next year's draft, gets picked pretty highly next spring, and goes from there?

If neither he nor his right can be traded under any circumstance - why all the fuss? Why all the speculation about who might be interested? Why is he/his agent talking about what type of NFL team might make a good fit?

And why on earth would Carr accept a two year minimum salary deal from Houston? Or am I wrong in hearing/understanding that he can reapply fo the drfat next year if he remains unsigned?

Something doesn't sound right there...

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Taur
And No "Franchise" type QB on the current roster.


Why are you discounting Ramsey as a potential franchise QB already? He's got all the tools to be an all-pro in the NFL.

I don't seen the Redskins making any such moves anytime soon.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
Does anyone else find it humorous that Dobby the Elf has found himself coaching a team whose alternate uniform scheme is very similar to Florida State's?

I do, anyway.

You should spend less time reading that pseudo-intellectual drivel that Gregg Easterbrook writes...

[Honolulu_Blue]

Screw Henson. Screw the Yankees. Screw the Redskins. Screw Dan Snyder. You can go ahead and screw Charlie Casserly too while you're at it.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by QuikSand

If neither he nor his right can be traded under any circumstance - why all the fuss? Why all the speculation about who might be interested? Why is he/his agent talking about what type of NFL team might make a good fit?


Maybe this gives Henson a chance to broker/dictate which teams he will consider going to, rather than being subjected to the Bengals and Lions of the world (I know, they already have young QBs) in the draft.

[Rich1033]

I believe the main benefit to signing with Houston is having more choice over who he will end up playing for.

If I were him, Id go right back into the draft next year. However he might of already had contact with a certain team that he prefers. The best way to end up with that team is signing with the Texans.


[edit- oops, cuervo beat me to it]

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by QuikSand
And why on earth would Carr accept a two year minimum salary deal from Houston? Or am I wrong in hearing/understanding that he can reapply fo the drfat next year if he remains unsigned?

Something doesn't sound right there...

1. He would collect a salary this year for doing nothing.

2. He would have a strong say in what team he got traded to next season. Would you rather head to Arizona, or be the heir to Brett Favre?

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Honolulu_Blue
Screw Henson. Screw the Yankees. Screw the Redskins. Screw Dan Snyder. You can go ahead and screw Charlie Casserly too while you're at it.

:confused:

Sounds a little misguided to me. I really don't think there's a market for that sort of pornography.

[Fritz]

Originally posted by QuikSand
If this is true (not that I doubt it) then why are people talking about this at all? Wouldn't that make the result self-evident -- that Henson simply re-declares for next year's draft, gets picked pretty highly next spring, and goes from there?

If neither he nor his right can be traded under any circumstance - why all the fuss? Why all the speculation about who might be interested? Why is he/his agent talking about what type of NFL team might make a good fit?

And why on earth would Carr accept a two year minimum salary deal from Houston? Or am I wrong in hearing/understanding that he can reapply fo the drfat next year if he remains unsigned?

Something doesn't sound right there...

This is what Mike Golic was saying he should do because the deal he will get now will be nothing like what he could get as a top 10 pick, assuming he is one.

[Butter]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
You should spend less time reading that pseudo-intellectual drivel that Gregg Easterbrook writes...

You should spend less time worrying about what I read and more time worrying about how Spurrier couldn't coach a Lamaze class.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Fritz
This is what Mike Golic was saying he should do because the deal he will get now will be nothing like what he could get as a top 10 pick, assuming he is one.

I disagree. I believe if he signs a deal with the Texans he will:

1. collect a salary this year

2. decide where he goes (within reason). Teams that wouldn't have a shot at him in the draft can now get their hands on him.

3. still get paid like a top 10 pick. This will come from an immediate re-negotiation which will likely be finalized before a trade is even made.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
You should spend less time worrying about what I read and more time worrying about how Spurrier couldn't coach a Lamaze class.

Spurrier was able to coach DUKE to a winning record, and won a national title at Florida. Show me a Lamaze coach that can do that, and I'll go sign my pregnant wife up right now.

[Swaggs]

Also, he needs a head coach that has enough job security to go with an untested rookie QB that has not played in 3-4 season AND does not have a better QB on the roster AND has the stones to play him.

I will be suprised if Drew makes back the money he walked away from. I give him something like 10:1 odds.

[Butter]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Spurrier was able to coach DUKE to a winning record, and won a national title at Florida. Show me a Lamaze coach that can do that, and I'll go sign my pregnant wife up right now.


What's the Redskins record since he's been there? Just wonderin'.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
What's the Redskins record since he's been there? Just wonderin'.

Good point. 1 mediocre season wipes out an entire career of accomplishment.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Swaggs
I will be suprised if Drew makes back the money he walked away from. I give him something like 10:1 odds.

Actually, i would seriously love to figure this out. Does anyone know for certain the details of his baseball contract?

How much more was he due?
How much longer did the baseball contract run?

EDIT----

Answering my own questions, he has 3 more years and 12 million dollars left on the contract. .

[Butter]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Good point. 1 mediocre season wipes out an entire career of accomplishment.

In college.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
In college.

I suppose the USFL wasn't pro football?

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
What's the Redskins record since he's been there? Just wonderin'.

What was Jimmy Johnson's record during his first season as an NFL head coach? Or how about Bill Parcells?

Look them up, and please feel free to compare them to Spurrier's first season in Washington.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
:confused:

Sounds a little misguided to me. I really don't think there's a market for that sort of pornography.

The day I learned that there was porn involving women in a high-heels stepping on and crushing small animals, I came to a realizations: Lad, when it comes to porn, there is a market for everything.

[Butter]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
I suppose the USFL wasn't pro football?

Unless you consider single-A ball the same as the major leagues, no.

[Butter]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Look them up, and please feel free to compare them to Spurrier's first season in Washington.

They were worse. Of course, the talent they had was much worse to work with too, so there's that.

Hey, is that another Gator on the waiver wire? Maybe Steve could cut Champ Bailey and make room for him. :rolleyes:

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Good point. 1 mediocre season wipes out an entire career of accomplishment.

I can't stand Spurrier as a person, but the guy can coach. He could pull a Rich Kotite with the Redskins, and I'd still give him props for what he did at Duke and Florida. I'm just happy his ego finally got the best of him and he left Florida - although it was fun seeing him lose more than he won against FSU.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by Honolulu_Blue
The day I learned that there was porn involving women in a high-heels stepping on and crushing small animals, I came to a realizations: Lad, when it comes to porn, there is a market for everything.

I'm about to do a classic FOFC threadjack -

Has anyone seen the Real Sex episode where they profile people with an equine fetish? I mean, it wasn't screwing horses exactly - although that exists, I don't think it's quite HBO material - this was people dressed up like horses, nieghing, galloping, being brushed and washed, riding each other bareback and all that crap, and getting off on it. I've seen a lot of stuff in my life - much more than I'd ever admit to my wife - but she and I watched that a month or two ago, and neither of us could believe what we were seeing.

There is most certainly a market for anything!

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
They were worse. Of course, the talent they had was much worse to work with too, so there's that.

Hey, is that another Gator on the waiver wire? Maybe Steve could cut Champ Bailey and make room for him. :rolleyes:

How much talent did the Redskins really have on offense last year? Other than Stephen Davis and tackle Chris Samuels, there wasn't anyone near all-pro potential on that unit.

Here's a few first-year head coaching records to chew on:

Bill Walsh - 1979: 2-14
Mike Shanahan - 1988: 7-9
Andy Reid - 1999: 5-11
Bill Parcells - 1983: 3-12
Chuck Noll - 1969: 1-13
Marv Levy - 1978: 4-12
Jimmy Johnson - 1989: 1-15

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
I'm about to do a classic FOFC threadjack -

Has anyone seen the Real Sex episode where they profile people with an equine fetish?

[raises hand sheepishly]I have.[/raises hand sheepishly]

[Butter]

OK, I'll give you it's too early to tell on Spurrier. But I think he's going to be a flameout.

Still think he sucks, though.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
OK, I'll give you it's too early to tell on Spurrier. But I think he's going to be a flameout.

Still think he sucks, though.

I think if he flames out, it'll be mostly because Danny Snyder can't keep his frickin' hands off the team for more than five minutes at a time.

The dude's a fan. Fine. I respect that. If I had a billion dollars, I'd probably buy the Redskins. But I'd leave the football work to the professional football people. Asswads like Snyder and Jerry Jones should just stay comfortably seated in their luxury skyboxes on game day and hire the best guys they can afford to handle the rest of the business.

That said, I think Spurrier is a good coach with a lot yet to learn about the pro game, but he's definately bright enough to catch on quick. But I still miss Joe Gibbs...

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by cuervo72
[raises hand sheepishly]I have.[/raises hand sheepishly]

OK, but were you turned on by it? :)

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
I'm about to do a classic FOFC threadjack -

Has anyone seen the Real Sex episode where they profile people with an equine fetish? I mean, it wasn't screwing horses exactly - although that exists, I don't think it's quite HBO material - this was people dressed up like horses, nieghing, galloping, being brushed and washed, riding each other bareback and all that crap, and getting off on it. I've seen a lot of stuff in my life - much more than I'd ever admit to my wife - but she and I watched that a month or two ago, and neither of us could believe what we were seeing.

There is most certainly a market for anything!

Me, and like 6 friends of both sexes laughed our asses off at that episode. I'm glad to say I can't even imagine how people get excited by dressing up and being ridden like a horse (in what is almost an entirely non-sexual manner).

[Butter]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Me, and like 6 friends of both sexes laughed our asses off at that episode. I'm glad to say I can't even imagine how people get excited by dressing up and being ridden like a horse

It was actually sounding kinda good, then you had to throw this in there:

(in what is almost an entirely non-sexual manner).

[Franklinnoble]

My wife likes it when I come to bed in spurs and chaps and nothing else... but that's about as close as we get to any sort of equine fetish.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
OK, but were you turned on by it? :)

Not that I recall.

[QuikSand]

Hrm.

Tough spot to be in here - I am actually interested in the pre-threadjack topic here, but I'm not sure it's worth the price of seeing all the post-threadjack follow-up just to see if anything else has been posted about the original topic. Not expressing surprise, just explaining the plight.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by QuikSand
Hrm.

Tough spot to be in here - I am actually interested in the pre-threadjack topic here, but I'm not sure it's worth the price of seeing all the post-threadjack follow-up just to see if anything else has been posted about the original topic. Not expressing surprise, just explaining the plight.

Ahhh, the plight of our friend "Kickstand," who may be hung like a horse, but has no actual interest in equine porn...

[cuervo72]

I promise to cease and desist.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by QuikSand
Hrm.

Tough spot to be in here - I am actually interested in the pre-threadjack topic here, but I'm not sure it's worth the price of seeing all the post-threadjack follow-up just to see if anything else has been posted about the original topic. Not expressing surprise, just explaining the plight.

I'm in both boats. I'm interested in seriously discussing:

A. What Henson's best move would be
B. Whether or not walking away from 12 million over the next 3 years will prove to be a bad decision
C. Peoples thoughts on horse fetishes

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by cuervo72
I promise to cease and desist.

Not really my request. Carry on... if I need to learn more about Drew Henson, I could conceivably *gasp* look somewhere other than this forum for the information.

[cuervo72]

Well, I'm not really that interested in horse fetishes anyway...

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by QuikSand
Not really my request. Carry on... if I need to learn more about Drew Henson, I could conceivably *gasp* look somewhere other than this forum for the information.

Yeah, I could look somewhere else than this forum for horse fetish information, too, but somehow, reading about it here feels less perverted (not to mention less likely to get me fired).

[cthomer5000]

well, for the hell of it i looked up the contract info for Byron Leftwich and Rex Grossman, figuring Hensons potential contract with his next team will be somewhere between the two:


The Jacksonville Jaguars reached an agreement last night with rookie

quarterback Byron Leftwich on a five-year, $23 million contract, an NFL

source told the Associated Press.

--
Just two days after signing his five-year, $30 million contract (with

an $11.4 million signing bonus), Leftwich was on the field leading the

Jaguars on a game-winning drive in the final three minutes against

Miami.


The Bears have committed $7.6 million over five years to Grossman. He

received a $2 million signing bonus. Contract incentives, one that

includes taking the Bears to the Super Bowl and winning, could make his

first contract worth $18 million.

I'd expect Hensons' signing bonus to be in the 5+ million dollar range.

[Ksyrup]

...And cthomer5000 just barrels on.

Sorry for the threadjack. I'm not at all interested in equine fetish, although the idea that people are fascinates me. I mean, there are fetishes, and then there are fetishes. I don't think of fetishes involving body parts (human, that is) as being particularly weird, even if they are otherwise non-sexual body parts that are the subject of the fetish. But then you've got stuff like this, or the diaper fetish, or other kinds of stuff that just blows my mind.

I have no problem discussing it in another thread, though. I just saw the opportunity to mention something that dropped my jaw when I saw it, but I never got around to bringing up until now.

[Butter]

Maybe Henson has a horse fetish? That way it'd still be on-topic, and we can all breathe easier... sorta.

[Ksyrup]

As former baseball playing QBs go, he's a "hot to trot" commodity around the NFL.

Sorry. That was bad.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
I disagree. I believe if he signs a deal with the Texans he will:

1. collect a salary this year

2. decide where he goes (within reason). Teams that wouldn't have a shot at him in the draft can now get their hands on him.

3. still get paid like a top 10 pick. This will come from an immediate re-negotiation which will likely be finalized before a trade is even made.

First - Henson isn't exactly in the typical situation of a yet-to-be-drafted player, to whom earning $500,000 or so this season might be a really big deal. He's already heisted many millions from the Yankees without wearing a mask - he's not going to starve if he goes this year without being paid.

Now, on the matter of "deciding where he goes" -- I guess there's something to that. (Though I personally find the notion of predicting teams' futures years out a pretty dicey proposition, the prospect of being in Arizona is a compelling argument)

However, if that's really the scenario - then I think the situation unfolds in a somewhat different order:

1) Some time after this season ends, a team frustrated at QB decides to approach Houston about Henson

2) That team works out a tentative contract with Henson, to his satisfaction (probably equivalent to first round money)

3) That team works out a trade with Houston

4) Houston signs Henson to a modest deal like what you suggest

5) Henson gets traded to the destination team

6) The destination team "renegotiates" the carryover contract with Henson, and fulfills their promise with the new contract

- - -

My point, if there is one, being that this is a good deal different from "He'll sign with Houston for the minimum, and that way he's going to be able to decide what team he gets to go to."

I continue to believe that the only way that Henson signs with anyone is if there is a solid contract already done to his satisfaction - one that is at least pretty equivalent to what he could be expected to receive by simply re-entering next year's draft.

[cthomer5000]

Quik - you and I are seeing pretty much eye-to-eye on what would happen if he decideds to sign this year. The bottom line is we'd have to be talking about a team who felt it would not be able to draft him next year.

That team has the ability to gain a player they might otherwise miss out on, while Henson has the ability to at least start his career with a solid franchise.

While I agree with it being difficult to predict a teams' future years in advance, we can certainly agree that some franchises are much more likely than others to be good. (Arizona/Detroit vs. Pittsburgh/San Francisco). I would think that could be a really large factor for him. When you're already a bust in one sport, you don't want to stack the deck against yourself when heading into sport #2.


About the financial aspect of things, It sounds like if he could get a deal akin to that of a top 10 QB that he might end up doing better financially by heading into football. Specifically, he might do at least as well as 12 million over the next 3 years.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
The bottom line is we'd have to be talking about a team who felt it would not be able to draft him next year.

Yes, to a point. Even if you have the #1 or #5 pick in the 2004 draft, doing a deal like this might make sense. If you're convinced that Henson is a top-tier talent worthy of the big investment, why not send (for instance) Houston your #2 pick in 2004 for Henson, as described above? You hold on to your high draft pick for another potential impact player, and you get to work out the details of Henson's contract without worries under the rookie salary cap. Seems sensible to me.

[Franklinnoble]

Stupid question... is Henson really good enough to warrant this degree of scrutiny by the experts here at FOFC?

[Butter]

Being an Ohio St. and a Cincinnati Reds fan, I'm going to have to say NO. :)

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by QuikSand
Yes, to a point. Even if you have the #1 or #5 pick in the 2004 draft, doing a deal like this might make sense. If you're convinced that Henson is a top-tier talent worthy of the big investment, why not send (for instance) Houston your #2 pick in 2004 for Henson, as described above? You hold on to your high draft pick for another potential impact player, and you get to work out the details of Henson's contract without worries under the rookie salary cap. Seems sensible to me.

actually, you hit on a huge point there. If he signs this year with Houston (even if not playing a down), he no longer affect any teams rookie salary cap, allowing them to basically bring in a "rookie" even though he isn't technically a first year player.

I wonder what Houston is asking for? To me a 2nd rounder seems totally reasonable, but if 3 or 4 teams become really interested, a 1 wouldn't shock me.

[Solecismic]

I'm guessing the Yankees have already told him they won't negotiate a buyout of his contract.

Henson can put a little pressure on them by showing up for spring training next February. Taking up that roster spot.

Because of the money he's making, the Yankees wouldn't dare release him unless they were certain he was a washout. So Henson, presumably, gets one more chance to master AAA (which he should have by now).

Meanwhile, he declares an interest in the NFL draft, and presumably goes in the first round next April - about a month into the 2004 baseball season.

If baseball is going well, he can use that as a negotiating ploy to get a higher bonus. And this will frustrate the Yankees to the point where they might throw $2 million at him just to get him out the door.

Unless Henson really, really has a favorite NFL team (and growing up in Brighton, MI, my guess is that it's either the Lions, the Bears or he just doesn't care all that much), he should not sign with the Texans right now.

He can't win this from a PR standpoint, so he might as well be the biggest jerk in the world over money before he signs, and then start from scratch and work his butt off when he does sign.

[Taur]

Stop. Stop. Stop. Can we roll this conversation back and talk about the "Rights" to Drew Henson.


"If he doesn't want to sign with the Texans... (Who can only give him the Rookie minimum, with a 13,000 dollar 'signing' bonus.) Then he can either hope they trade his rights to a team who has more room to manuever in their Rookie allocation, or his contract will be LOADED with incentives, and the like."


The Texans don't have to sign him then trade him. The Texans can just trade away his signing "Rights".

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by Taur
Stop. Stop. Stop. Can we roll this conversation back and talk about the "Rights" to Drew Henson.


"If he doesn't want to sign with the Texans... (Who can only give him the Rookie minimum, with a 13,000 dollar 'signing' bonus.) Then he can either hope they trade his rights to a team who has more room to manuever in their Rookie allocation, or his contract will be LOADED with incentives, and the like."


The Texans don't have to sign him then trade him. The Texans can just trade away his signing "Rights".

So if you sign him late, you can't trade him (Ramsey), but if you don't sign him at all, you can trade him. Hmmm....

(I've been typing Hmmmmm.... a lot today) :)

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
Being an Ohio St. and a Cincinnati Reds fan, I'm going to have to say NO. :)

Henson played pretty well against Ohio State. This whole Henson thing was just one big Ohio State conspiracy anyway.

As far as Henson goes it will be interesting to see what happens and what Houston will get for him. It is basically tranforming a 6th round pick into a...? If it's a 4th round pick or higher, that's a very a good deal. Certainly could be, considering Drew's talent, Buckeyes fans' opinions aside. ;)

He will certainly look for big money. Sure, he doesn't need it, but he's walking away from big money. Big, contract-guaranteed money. He will want to be justly compensated for his decision to walk away from that. This will likely involve a big (guaranteed) signing bonus.

I had to add something of value here. I felt partially responsible for the whole porn-angled threadjack.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally posted by cthomer5000

While I agree with it being difficult to predict a teams' future years in advance, we can certainly agree that some franchises are much more likely than others to be good. (Arizona/Detroit vs. Pittsburgh/San Francisco). I would think that could be a really large factor for him. When you're already a bust in one sport, you don't want to stack the deck against yourself when heading into sport #2.


So, are you saying that Detroit is more likely to be good (in the future, because of all their young and up and coming talent like C-Rog, Joey Ballgame, The Boss, Undrafted Phenom Avon Cobourne and the rest) than Pittsburgh/San Fran? If so, I appreciate the optimism!

[Stunt Monkey]

The Yankees have just called up Henson to the Majors

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Taur
Stop. Stop. Stop. Can we roll this conversation back and talk about the "Rights" to Drew Henson.


"If he doesn't want to sign with the Texans... (Who can only give him the Rookie minimum, with a 13,000 dollar 'signing' bonus.) Then he can either hope they trade his rights to a team who has more room to manuever in their Rookie allocation, or his contract will be LOADED with incentives, and the like."


The Texans don't have to sign him then trade him. The Texans can just trade away his signing "Rights".


I am nearly 100% certain that you are factually wrong. I believe the Texans have until some point in November to sign him before losing his rights entirely. Not only would they lose his rights, but they would also NOT be allowed to drft him next season.

[CAsterling]

Just thinking about Henson and the possibilities.......was he really so outstanding that many teams will take the chance.

Chad Hutchinson didn't impress, so is there much hope that Henson could make an impact after so long (I haven't seen Henson play, so I don't know how he compared with Hutchinson's skill level at college).

I can't see Snyder taking the chance, its not his kind of move.......so I don't think henson will join the Skins any time soon, Snyder is a fan with money and likes established NFL stars, kind of like a real life fantasy football GM.

[Bee]

Henson was a much better prospect than Hutchinson. On Mike and Mike this morning, they both seemed to think he would be a high first rounder if he enters the draft next year (take that for whatever it's worth). My opinion is he would be a first rounder if he has a really great workout in front of scouts.

Since he was called up, who knows how that changes things though. I hope he plays football, since I don't watch baseball and he was a good QB in college.

[cthomer5000]

Back to the trading his rights/Texans claim to him, I can't seem to find the data I'm basing my statements on anymore. If anyone can back me up or prove me wrong, please chime in. I'm fairly certain I recalled hearing a "drop dead" date for when he had to be signed in order for the Texans to keep any claim on him.

[Bee]

July 22
Signing period ends at 4:00 PM ET for unrestricted free agents to whom June 1 tender was made by old club, transition players, and franchise players who are eligible to receive offer sheets. After this date and through 4:00 PM ET on November 11, old club has exclusive negotiating rights to these players.


August 2
American Bowl, Tokyo, Japan: NY Jets vs. Tampa Bay.


August 2-4
Pro Football Hall of Fame Weekend.


August 4
Pro Football Hall of Fame Game, Canton, Ohio: Green Bay vs. Kansas City.


August 5
If a drafted rookie has not signed with his club by this date, he may not be traded to any other club in 2003.


August 5
Deadline for players under contract to report in order to earn a season of free agency credit.


August 7-11
First preseason weekend.



August 9-13
Deadline for club to provide written notice to certain unsigned players and the NFLPA of its intent to place them on the exempt list if they fail to report no later than one day prior to the club's second preseason game. Any player who fails to report prior to the deadline will be ineligible to play or receive compensation for at least three games (preseason or regular season) from the time that he reports.


August 14-18
Second preseason weekend.


August 21-25
Third preseason weekend.


August 26
Roster cutdown to maximum of 65 players on active list by 4:00 PM ET.


August 27-29
Fourth preseason weekend.


August 31
Roster cutdown to maximum of 53 players on active/inactive list by 4:00 PM ET. Exemptions granted to NFL Europe League players expire at this time. Clubs may dress minimum of 42 and maximum of 45 players and third quarterback for each regular-season and postseason game.


September 1
After 12:00 PM ET, clubs may establish a practice squad of five players by signing free agents who do not have an accrued season of free agency credit or who were on the active/inactive list for less than nine regular-season games during their only accrued season(s). A player cannot participate on the practice squad for more than two seasons.


September 4-8
Kickoff 2003 Weekend.


September 23
Priority on multiple waiver claims is now based on the current season's standing.


October 14
All trading ends at 4:00 PM ET.


November 11
Deadline for clubs to sign by 4:00 PM ET their unsigned franchise and transition players. If still unsigned after this date, such players are prohibited from playing in NFL in 2003.


November 11
Deadline for clubs to sign by 4:00 PM ET their unrestricted free agents to whom June 1 tender was made. If still unsigned after this date, such players are prohibited from playing in NFL in 2003.


November 11
Deadline for clubs to sign by 4:00 PM ET their restricted free agents to whom June 1 tender was made. If such players remain unsigned, they are prohibited from playing in NFL in 2003.


November 11
Deadline for clubs to sign drafted players by 4:00 PM ET. If such players remain unsigned, they are prohibited from playing in NFL in 2003.


December 27-28
Final regular-season weekend



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edit: made the applicable portion bold.