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Well guys this is the week of what I consider the second big game(Miami was the biggest) for Florida State this season. I plan on offering a scouting report of the game. If the is anyone out there who wants to join in on breaking down the game your more then welcomed. But please leave your petty beefs with either team at the door. Scooper I'm really counting on you for a breakdown on Norte Dame and I'll do the same for Florida State. This is for all the bragging rights!!!! Predictions are welcomed from anyone as well( I wont make one until Thursday or Friday).
:)
noop
SunDancer
10-26-2003, 02:54 PM
This game lost its meaning as Notre Dame as fallen off the mountain, again.
To many bigger and more important games this week.
cartman
10-26-2003, 03:25 PM
Yep, I agree with SD. This should be a cakewalk for FSU. IMO, the GotW is Texas-Nebraska. I think this qualifies as a big game for Mack Brown.
TroyF
10-26-2003, 06:38 PM
With games like Miami/VaTech, Georgia/Florida, Washington State/USC, Nebraska/Texas, Oklahoma State/Oklahoma, and Michigan/Michigan State this game is only considered a big game by Florida State or Notre Dame fans.
That's not being petty, it's just dealing with the fact Notre Dame is 2-5 coming off a loss at Boston College. Notre Dame will be treating this like the national championship game. They have Navy, Syracuse, BYU and Stanford left before they watch everyone else in the bowl games. They'll be fired up and should put up a fight. That said, Florida State is the better team and should win it.
TroyF
Huckleberry
10-26-2003, 09:25 PM
The only Notre Dame game left this season I care about is the Navy game. That's a big game.
scooper
10-27-2003, 07:39 AM
38-10 Florida State.
The Irish are pathetic. The team has no heart. I really like Willingham. He's a good man. He's smart, a good teacher and I think he knows football. But I think his stoic demeanor is carrying over to his team. You have to stay focused and keep your cool, but football is a game of emotions.
Not since the first game have I seen any kind of fire in this team. I could accept lack of talent. But that's not the case, despite whatever Kiper lackies say. This team has talent. They have no fire.
Never thought I'd see the day when I felt better weekly about a Bengals win than an Irish win.
Hey, at least my alma mater's poised for a high school playoff run. Two out of three ain't bad.
#@^%*ing Irish.
Originally posted by scooper
38-10 Florida State.
The Irish are pathetic. The team has no heart. I really like Willingham. He's a good man. He's smart, a good teacher and I think he knows football. But I think his stoic demeanor is carrying over to his team. You have to stay focused and keep your cool, but football is a game of emotions.
Not since the first game have I seen any kind of fire in this team. I could accept lack of talent. But that's not the case, despite whatever Kiper lackies say. This team has talent. They have no fire.
Never thought I'd see the day when I felt better weekly about a Bengals win than an Irish win.
Hey, at least my alma mater's poised for a high school playoff run. Two out of three ain't bad.
#@^%*ing Irish.
A wounded animal is a dangerous one while a wounded Irishmen is a deadly one. Have faith in your team dont you believe in the mystic of Norte Dame football? I refuse to chalk this one off as a easy win because last year changed my mind. This game will steal the show of all the other big games out there( save Virgina Tech and Miami).
noop
scooper
10-27-2003, 02:58 PM
Don't get me wrong. I'll always support and pull for the team, it's just frustrating and this is a good place to vent.
Huckleberry
10-27-2003, 03:16 PM
Why does being a fan mean one should have an unrealistic view of their team? As a Texas fan, I knew the chances of our beating OU this season were directly proportional to the chances of their team bus crashing on the way to the Cotton Bowl. Doesn't make me any less of a fan.
finkenst
10-27-2003, 03:17 PM
Several times Norte Dame
Where the hell is Norte Dame?
Originally posted by finkenst
Several times
Where the hell is Norte Dame?
South Bend, Indiana
Oops I spelled it wrong. Sorry.
tucker342
10-28-2003, 11:16 PM
Notre Dame is always scary no matter how bad they suck, but FSU is just too talented to blow this on.... There is no way that Notre Dame wins, hell, I'd be surprised if it was close.
QB: Chris Rix has all the tools you would ever want in a Quarterback big arm, speed, heart. But he's missing something between the ears. If he plays good the Noles have a chance but if he repeats his past performances (Miami, Notre Dame, etc.)
HB: Greg Jones honestly didn’t do anything last year against the Irish. While I would like for him to ball his ass off, I know that isn’t going to happen. Leon Washington is the best running back on the roster and if he is utilized correctly he could be a huge factor. Lorenzo Booker is the wildcard he hasn’t played enough for anyone to get a solid read on him. If I had to guess I would assume he’ll have an impact on this game one way or another. The fullback will block and run up the middle on 2nd and short or 3rd and short.
WR: Cro Thorpe is a good receiver but his only route, is the deep fly and tries to out run the cornerback. He’ll make some big plays if Rix can hit him on stride as I’m pretty sure he’ll be able to burn the db if given the chance. PK Sam is the one Notre Dame should watch out for…he has size, speed, and hands he’ll be a factor if used correctly. I would be surprised if they try to throw to the tight end early to open things up.
OL: They are young and fat. If they block then Florida State is fine.
DL: Darnell Dockett is someone I feel is poised for a breakout game. Bunkley is a young buck who has a knack getting in the backfield. Travis Johnson has been quiet this season and I don’t thing he’ll do much on Saturday. Cliff Dickson is a freshman from Miami but he has a lot of potential but he’ll be riding pine unless there is an injury.
LB: The starters are all undersized and can’t defend the run very well. If A.J. gets the start over an injured Pope they should a little bit better. The back-ups Sims, McGrew and Piquoan are better at run defense. Don’t be surprised to see them get in the game early if Notre Dame starts piling on those yards.
CB: Bryant McFadden is a bonafide stud at the cornerback position. The other is solid with either Leroy Smith or Stanford Samuels, Leroy is better at coverage while Stanford is the better tackler. In a passing situation I expect to see Smith while in running situation expect Samuels. Rufus Brown and Antonio Cromatire (sp) will provide backup support. At safety B.J. Ward, Jerome Carter mans their spots respectfully. Ward’s backup Pat Watkins is 6’5 I think and plays center field on passing downs.
Outcome: Simple if Florida State plays how they are suppose to this should be a cakewalk, but we all know that won’t happen. Something has got to give about this game it’s not as cut and dry as most assume it will be.
Prediction: My heart tells me Florida State should win by at least 20+ points but I learned from last season. 31-28 Notre Dame a huge special team play or fumble by Rix or Jones seals the faith of the Noles.
:)
noop
pjstp20
11-06-2003, 03:08 AM
Noop you can't be serious. Sorry I'm late to the party, but how is it possible that you thought FSU would blow this one? I know you've been burnt in the past by FSU, but even I, as a staunch ND supporter, saw this coming a mile away. FSU fans were different this time around. After getting caught off gaurd by a less talented Notre Dame team at home last year the team and the fans came in very prepared for this one. Even though Rix did his best to blow it.
I have to totally disagree with scooper, this team was much less talented than FSU and pretty much every team they've played this year, and last for that matter. They have no fire because they know this and are constantly getting blown out. Last year they caught a couple of breaks and were dumb enough to think they were good, but in reality they werent good, just confident. They've lost to Michigan, USC and FSU by a total of 120-14. It may actually take talent to figure out how to lose that badly. They're no better than Navy this year, and actually they may lose that one. Last year was a mirage, kinda like that 13-3 year the Bears had a couple years ago.
Originally posted by pjstp20
Noop you can't be serious. Sorry I'm late to the party, but how is it possible that you thought FSU would blow this one? I know you've been burnt in the past by FSU, but even I, as a staunch ND supporter, saw this coming a mile away. FSU fans were different this time around. After getting caught off gaurd by a less talented Notre Dame team at home last year the team and the fans came in very prepared for this one. Even though Rix did his best to blow it.
I have to totally disagree with scooper, this team was much less talented than FSU and pretty much every team they've played this year, and last for that matter. They have no fire because they know this and are constantly getting blown out. Last year they caught a couple of breaks and were dumb enough to think they were good, but in reality they werent good, just confident. They've lost to Michigan, USC and FSU by a total of 120-14. It may actually take talent to figure out how to lose that badly. They're no better than Navy this year, and actually they may lose that one. Last year was a mirage, kinda like that 13-3 year the Bears had a couple years ago.
How I thought Florida State would blow this is simply turnovers and the luck of the Irish. As for less talent aren't you just making excuses? Last season you guys stomped Florida State at Doak whats the difference?
pjstp20
11-07-2003, 02:19 AM
Making Excuses??????? A blind man can see the FSU is 100 times more talented than Notre Dame, a blind man could see that. Its not an excuse just fact. The difference between this year and last is a less confident Notre Dame team, injuries,a freshman QB, the loss of the whole O. Line; including a first round draft pick, the loss of a playmaking wide receiver, a better, more confident FSU team, and a lot less luck for the Irish.
Im not taking anything away from FSU by saying that, they simply kicked Notre Dames ass pure and simple. They're the better team this year. However, if I was like an FSU fan I would be blaming the weather, the offensive coordinator and the QB. Id also be saying just give us one more chance on a perfect field and we'll win. Were the best team in the nation even if we havent beaten anyone this year.
Originally posted by pjstp20
However, if I was like an FSU fan I would be blaming the weather, the offensive coordinator and the QB. Id also be saying just give us one more chance on a perfect field and we'll win. Were the best team in the nation even if we havent beaten anyone this year.
You really need some help man... why do you care about what Florida State fans so much? I dont blame weather cause Miami had to play in the same thing... Jeff Bowden well I am of the opinion that maybe he should have called shorter passes but then again I'm no coach... Chris Rix unlike most Nole fans he has my support thru good and bad does he make some bone headed mistakes yes but he makes great ones also. And no Florida State is not the best team in the country not even top 5 but top 10 I think so... want to know why Florida State lost to Miami? Simple Miami players wanted it more and no matter dry or wet field Miami was going to whoop the Seminoles ass. The Florida State fans you talk( warchant users I assume) all talk alot of shit about how they are unstoppable and would maybe beat OU if given the chance. Those are what I call crack-head fans and you should disregard them, talk to the college footballs/Nole fans you'll more then likely get a real feel for the Seminole Nation. Well I hope you leave Tally soon cause it looks like those Noles have given the rest a bad name.
:)
noop
pjstp20
11-08-2003, 10:10 PM
Yeah I know I need some help we've been over that. I'm getting most of my insight to the FSU fans psyche right from talk radio here in town. I may have overstated the best in the nation thing because even FSU fans know OU is head and shoulders above everyone, and to tell you the truth FSU probably would win a Miami rematch. I'm sorry to say this Noop because even though I'm on you about FSU, your alright, but it's gonna be fun listening to said shows after this Clemson loss. But good luck with the rest of the season, because now after this loss FSU nation will settle down a bit, and I won't mind if they win out.
Originally posted by pjstp20
Yeah I know I need some help we've been over that. I'm getting most of my insight to the FSU fans psyche right from talk radio here in town. I may have overstated the best in the nation thing because even FSU fans know OU is head and shoulders above everyone, and to tell you the truth FSU probably would win a Miami rematch. I'm sorry to say this Noop because even though I'm on you about FSU, your alright, but it's gonna be fun listening to said shows after this Clemson loss. But good luck with the rest of the season, because now after this loss FSU nation will settle down a bit, and I won't mind if they win out.
Fun how? Flordia State was outplayed point blank and simple. You seem to love kicking Florida State while they're down, good for you. Glad that you'll sleep with a smile tonight as you hear all the excuses that will come from whinechant.com. As for me personally this has been one shitty day Miami lost and Florida State so I was bummed out before the Florida State game... Oklahoma in my opinion will not win the National Title unless they play Ohio State.
:)
noop
TroyF
11-08-2003, 11:25 PM
Noop,
How is Glenn? I thought I saw him leave with an injury. Was it only cramps or did he pull something?
TroyF
Originally posted by TroyF
Noop,
How is Glenn? I thought I saw him leave with an injury. Was it only cramps or did he pull something?
TroyF
I didn't get a chance to talk to him... I'll have to ask my parents in the morning... but I'm sure he's fine
Airhog
11-09-2003, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by Noop
Oklahoma in my opinion will not win the National Title unless they play Ohio State.
:)
noop
Ou has'nt lost a game yet this season even after beating several very good teams. I dont see one top 10 team that can give OU a serious run for the money when they play as well as they have been playing. Honestly I wish Miami would have ran the table this season. It would have been so much sweeter to humble miami, like we humbled FSU.
TroyF
11-09-2003, 12:22 AM
OU could lose. I mean, any team could lose on any given day. Will it happen? Not very likely. They are the best team in the country. If OU played any team in the country in a best of three, they'd win the series.
TroyF
Originally posted by Airhog
It would have been so much sweeter to humble miami, like we humbled FSU.
Mark Ricth(sp?) nuff said
In my personal opinion Oklahoma will get upsetted in the championship unless they play Ohio State. Those scores they out up are nice but look closer they have starters in the game just running up the score. Your winning 45-0 I would assume its time for the backups right? Nope I still see the starter in the game and the game really got of hand. But whatever you'll still believe in OU and this season hasnt swayed you to believe other wise. But I still smell a huge upset in the works for the Sooners overconfidence is running amuck in Norman.
TroyF
11-09-2003, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Noop
Mark Ricth(sp?) nuff said
In my personal opinion Oklahoma will get upsetted in the championship unless they play Ohio State. Those scores they out up are nice but look closer they have starters in the game just running up the score. Your winning 45-0 I would assume its time for the backups right? Nope I still see the starter in the game and the game really got of hand. But whatever you'll still believe in OU and this season hasnt swayed you to believe other wise. But I still smell a huge upset in the works for the Sooners overconfidence is running amuck in Norman.
How does that matter Noop? Yeah, they ran it up against A&M in the third quarter. It was 49-0 at halftime. Lets see what OU has done in the first half of games this season:
282 - 46 That would be an average halftime score of 28-5. Lets put this into perspective here, Florida State is averaging 31 points per GAME. Before you blow a gasket, that isn't an insult to FSU.
OU is really that good. It isn't just the final scores of their games that is impressive. What's impressive is how they've taken quality opponents out of the game before halftime.
As I said above, is it possible USC could give em a game? Sure, it's possible. Chow is one hell of an OC and USC has talent. As much talent as OU? No way.
TroyF
Originally posted by TroyF
How does that matter Noop? Yeah, they ran it up against A&M in the third quarter. It was 49-0 at halftime. Lets see what OU has done in the first half of games this season:
282 - 46 That would be an average halftime score of 28-5. Lets put this into perspective here, Florida State is averaging 31 points per GAME. Before you blow a gasket, that isn't an insult to FSU.
OU is really that good. It isn't just the final scores of their games that is impressive. What's impressive is how they've taken quality opponents out of the game before halftime.
As I said above, is it possible USC could give em a game? Sure, it's possible. Chow is one hell of an OC and USC has talent. As much talent as OU? No way.
TroyF
Blow a gasket? Man I'm use to Florida State bashers so what yall say don't mean much to me. In Florida State was up 49-0 You can bet the second and third string would be in the game. OU to me hasn't really beaten anyone this season( neither has FSU) Texas? cmon now that team is getting ready for next year... Oklahoma State cmon now lets be serious OSU was overrated... Colorado give them a run for their money and so did Bama now if switch CU and Bama for Texas and OSU then I'd say they'll win. They play down to the level of their opponent. If they play USC I say they Ou will lose due to overconfindence and the Pac-10 is due ( all other conferences have won a national title in the BCS) OU again in MY OPINION will not win the title inless they play Ohio State.
TroyF
11-09-2003, 11:50 AM
The point was that I wasn't bashing Florida State.
You say they haven't played anyone. Well, did they lose to California? As far as I can tell, there are only two unbeaten teams in the country. TCU is a non factor in terms of the title game.
As for the others? All of them have already lost. All of them have struggled against one team or another. Who has USC played? They've faced two ranked teams: Washington State and Auburn. Auburn has now lost four games, so I think we know where we can put them. Washington State is a good opponent. Are they better than Texas? I have my doubts.
Lets assume Miami could eliminate the past couple of weeks, they struggled with West Virginia and Florida on their home turf. Florida State struggled with Ga. Tech on their home turf. Georgia had problems with VANDY. See, most good teams have a game where they aren't up to par. You don't usually blow everyone out.
Last year I said OSU would upset Miami. I gave about 30 reasons and used statistical data to back it up. You are saying OU is going to lose because they are overconfident and the PAC 10 is due? Ummmm. . . yeah, good call. BTW, I'm not an OU backer. Not really a Big12 backer either. I've thought the conference has been very overrated the past few years and said so. It is again this year. OU, however, is not.
TroyF
I dont watch OU every week for me to give you a breakdown on reasons why... they'll lose. I dont want to write a research paper and you might say your not a Big 12 or Ou backer but you sure as hell sound like one.
mckerney
11-09-2003, 03:50 PM
Oklahoma will not lose this year, and I'd expect them to win by at least 17 in the championship game.
TroyF
11-09-2003, 04:37 PM
I sound like an OU backer because I think they'll win out?
OK. Last year I guess I was a big10 backer because I thought Ohio State would win. I just change my alleigance on a yearly basis, huh? :)
TroyF
Airhog
11-09-2003, 06:02 PM
Those scores they out up are nice but look closer they have starters in the game just running up the score
So when do you pull your starters? when your up by 14 in the second quarter? This has nothing to do with how well OU is. We put our backups in against A&M and we still hung another 30 points on them. We even stopped trying to score the last 8 minutes of the game, what more can we do?
They play down to the level of their opponent
I dont see many teams we played down too, and this makes no sense with your first post noop? Which is it, do we run up the score against weak teams, or do we bring our b-game against them?
I dont watch OU every week for me to give you a breakdown on reasons why... they'll lose
This is why you have no evidence to back up your claim that the only top 5 team OU can beat is Ohio St. Show me how and I just might believe you.
mckerney
11-09-2003, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Airhog
So when do you pull your starters? when your up by 14 in the second quarter? This has nothing to do with how well OU is. We put our backups in against A&M and we still hung another 30 points on them. We even stopped trying to score the last 8 minutes of the game, what more can we do?
Well, it's not like they'd be able to use there starters the whole game in the national championship.
Chief Rum
11-09-2003, 06:41 PM
I am not a B12 backer. B12 backers will very much point out I am very much a hyomegrown Pac-10 fan.
I have watched USC on numerous occasions, and even though I can't stand them, they are good and more deserving than any of the other one-loss teams (IMO) to be in the championship game.
But I also watched OU demolish my Bruins. They are the best team I have seen in college football since Miami two years ago, and maybe even better than that.
Despite the fact that I root for the Pac-10--even USC--in nonconference matchups, they won't have a chance against OU in the championship game. IMO, it's already done--give the Sooners the championship now.
CR
Get this thru yall head its MY OPINION!!!
Chief Rum
11-09-2003, 07:32 PM
Yup, and sometimes when you offer up your opinion, others will offer up theirs. It's part of life here at FOFC--deal with it.
CR
Originally posted by Chief Rum
Yup, and sometimes when you offer up your opinion, others will offer up theirs. It's part of life here at FOFC--deal with it.
CR
Keep on riding them I'm sure their is room for you on....
"There are no facts, only interpretations."
Friedrich Nietzsche
TroyF
11-09-2003, 11:53 PM
Noop,
Serious question:
Ever read any Nietzsche?
If you had, you'll find that he does believe in the quote. However, you'll also find that he has no room for uneducated interpretations.
No, I didn't call you uneducated there. In this case, uneducated means not being able to back up your "interpretation" with fact.
I can say that my local high school team could create a defense to confuse Chris Rix. That does not mean I could back up the assertion.
I can't speak for everyone, but I respect any thought out opinion. What we want is for you to dig deeper. Why is it that OU can't beat any top 5 team other than Ohio State? As has been pointed out above, your reasons contradict each other. Tell me something to make me think OU isn't as good as I think they are.
Is there a weakness on defense I don't see? Is it the lack of a consistent running game? Do you think a good tackling team will take away the YAC and force them to have more plays, and thus make more mistakes? Is there a flaw with their defensive scheme?
We all understand you have the right to your opinion or "interpretation." We have the right to question that opinion. We also have the right to disregard that opinion if you choose not to make a case to back it up.
I know there will be a fan somewhere who will break down the ways USC could down OU. I'll probably disagree with that fan. If I'm wrong and the fan is right, I'll be a lot more willing to give props to the guy who backed his statement up with some reasoning.
That's my interpretation.
TroyF
mckerney
11-10-2003, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by Noop
Get this thru yall head its MY OPINION!!!
Noop, you should probably realize that people who offer differing opinions aren't attacking you.
Originally posted by TroyF
Noop,
How is Glenn? I thought I saw him leave with an injury. Was it only cramps or did he pull something?
TroyF
He hurt his knee MRI said slight tear. He might have to have a minor operation to clean up his knee.
mckerney
11-11-2003, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Noop
He hurt his knee MRI said slight tear. He might have to have a minor operation to clean up his knee.
Ow. Knee injuries suck, and I hate surgery... :(
Hope he's alright.
Chief Rum
11-11-2003, 09:31 PM
Pass along my well wishes to huve, if you could, Noop (I don't know if he remembers us specifically, though). :)
It sounds like the kind of thing he will be able to recuperate from over the offseason. Am I right? I hope so. I would hope he wouldn't have to miss any time next season.
CR
TroyF
11-11-2003, 09:34 PM
That's too bad. Hope everything goes well for him in his rehab.
TroyF
mckerney
11-12-2003, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by Noop
Are you stocking me?
No. For one, I haven't been working recently, and secondly you're not an alcoholic beverage.
I'm also not stalking you either.
pjstp20
11-12-2003, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Noop
Are you stocking me?
Stocking? Come on Noop you're better than that.
Dang mckerney it was done on purpose. ;)
pjstp20: I'm glad you believe in me :)
:)
noop
TroyF and Chief Rum: Will do but I have you know he posts and reads from time to time.
mckerney
11-12-2003, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by Noop
Dang mckerney it was done on purpose. ;)
Just take the BillyMadison approach to it. Say that it was just a physical error, not a mistake, and then tell me I'll spend my whole life as a truck driver or roadside flower seller, or other jobs that allow me to be on the internet all the time. Cause then you'd be STILL UNDEFEATED!!!! :)
"it was just a physical error, not a mistake...."
"You'll spend your whole life as a truck driver or roadside flower seller, or other jobs that allow you to be on the internet all the time."
:)
noop
mckerney
11-12-2003, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by Noop
"it was just a physical error, not a mistake...."
"You'll spend your whole life as a truck driver or roadside flower seller, or other jobs that allow you to be on the internet all the time."
:)
noop
Good times.
mckerney
11-12-2003, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by Noop
Dang mckerney it was done on purpose. ;)
pjstp20: I'm glad you believe in me :)
:)
noop
TroyF and Chief Rum: Will do but I have you know he posts and reads from time to time.
He'd not planning on transfering to Minnesota at all is he? 'Cause that would be awesome.
Our corners get burninated every week... :(
Originally posted by mckerney
He'd not planning on transfering to Minnesota at all is he? 'Cause that would be awesome.
Our corners get burninated every week... :(
He's a Cane.... he'll be one till he leaves...
Craptacular
11-13-2003, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Noop
He's a Cane.... he'll be one till he leaves...
That's generally how it works. ;)
tucker342
11-14-2003, 10:56 PM
I thought this game ended a couple of weeks ago....
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