Bedlam -- OU vs. OSU for the Big XII South

[Vegas Vic]

This should be a great game in Norman on Saturday. Les Miles has beaten Bob Stoops twice in a row, and he brings a talented and confident Cowboy team into this year's contest.

Here's my take -- for what it's worth (probably not much). In the past, Bob Stoops has proven he's a big game coach. That's never been his problem. He has, however, shown some weakness in winning "the little one", stumbling to big underdog and unranked OSU (twice) and Texas A&M (once) squads in the past two seasons.

This year has a different dynamic. This is a BIG game. OSU comes to Norman with a 7-1 record and a #15 national ranking. Bob Stoops has a 17-2 record against ranked teams.

I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first, won't be the last), but I don't see OU losing this game.

Agree or disagree?

[Huckleberry]

Saying last year's OU/OSU game wasn't a big game is revisionist history at its finest. They had just whipped the Sooners' asses the previous year in Norman and everyone talked about it for the whole week leading up to the game. Then they whipped the Sooners' asses again.

That being said, Oklahoma is a much better football team this year and there's no way they should lose this one at home.

[TroyF]

I pretty much concur with what Huck said. The game last year was HUGE. OU knew it would be a dogfight coming into Stillwater. They spent the entire week giving backhanded compliments to OSU and then got wacked.

OU is a much better football team. OSU matches up pretty well with OU though. They play a style that gives Stoopes and company fits. I also think it's the one team he coaches "nervous" against. For whatever reason, he seems to tighten up a bit against them.

I think OU wins the game, running away a little bit in the second half. They'd better play a better strategy against Woods though.

TroyF

[Vegas Vic]

Originally posted by TroyF
I think OU wins the game, running away a little bit in the second half. They'd better play a better strategy against Woods though.

They need to do a much better job against Woods, but that's not the real key, IMO. If they allow Fields to sit back in the pocket and read the newspaper like they did last year, OU doesn't stand a chance. Fortunately, OU's front four is playing at a much higher level -- already with more sacks and hurries than they had for the entire 2002 season.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally posted by Huckleberry
Saying last year's OU/OSU game wasn't a big game is revisionist history at its finest.

Huck, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. There are many definitions of "big game", and each person probably has different ways of weighing the factors that make it such.

In the context of this thread, I was referring to "big game" as one where both teams are ranked. This is the first such occurence in the Stoops/Myles series. As I mentioned, Bob Stoops is 17-2 against ranked teams. We'll see what happens on Saturday.

[Airhog]

I think this game is the defining moment for this OU and OSU squad. whichever team wins this game will most likely represent the south in the championship game. I think OU has a good shot, and I think they will pull out the win this year. They didnt play all that great yesterday, and I think they will get up for this game.

[Cuckoo]

You know, one thing that really changes the importance of this game is something many people haven't realized, but I bet OSU has. If Oklahoma State pulls off this win, not only are they going to represent the Big 12 South, but they have a realistic chance at the National Title game. If they ever needed more reason to play their hearts out against OU, that would be it.

[Huckleberry]

So you're saying that Mack Brown has won 9 "big games" since he's been at Texas?

That kind of selective definition is nice but inaccurate. Of course I fully expect an Oklahoma fan to dismiss last year's Oklahoma State game as a big game because it serves their purpose better. Doesn't make it true. The Oklahoma coaching staff considered last year's game a big game. So did their players.

[vex]

For the first time since Stoops' got here, the Sooners practiced for the Cowboys over the Summer. Also got a lot practice time towards OSU after the UCLA game.

[the_meanstrosity]

This should be a great football game. Miles has done some amazing work with the OSU football program and Stoops is Stoops. This should be an outstanding Big 12 football game. I'm really looking forward to seeing how Fields handles himself in this game.

[TroyF]

Originally posted by vexroid
For the first time since Stoops' got here, the Sooners practiced for the Cowboys over the Summer. Also got a lot practice time towards OSU after the UCLA game.

Having your "rival" kick your ass all the time makes that happen.

CU did the same thing this year with CSU. They'd never did anything other than their usual weekly prep for CSU. This year they worked on things in the off season. I'd guess they'll do the same this year.

Vic,

Last year was as big of a game as you'll ever see. I talked about the OU coaching staff and players giving the backhanded compliments to OSU. It was going the other way as well. When a team starts talking smack to you, you'd better find a way to step up and meet them. OU knew that Stillwater would be no easy task. OSU may as well have been ranked coming into that game.

As for the key, I think it will be OU's tackling. OSU is the most balanced team OU has faced this year. (I don't count Texas as balanced because they've struggled to run the ball all year against good teams)

If they simply pin their ears back, Bell will get by the front line and go nuts.

OU wins the game because OSU's defense doesn't have the guns to shut down OU. I think OU will give up some points in this game.

TroyF

[Huckleberry]

Originally posted by TroyF
(I don't count Texas as balanced because they've struggled to run the ball all year against good teams)

TroyF

Gee, ya think? Texas hasn't been able to run the ball against good teams since Ricky Williams, a.k.a. one of the greatest college runners of all time, and the Mackovic/Mike Deal coached OL graduated.

There is no doubt that you, I, and the vast majority of posters on this forum could have developed a successful running game with those players.

[sooner333]

Whatever, even if last year's game was big, this year's is bigger, and I'll tell you why. Last year, Oklahoma probably went into Stillwater expecting to win. "It can't happen again, we're Oklahoma and they're Oklahoma State, and Les Miles can't even form an opinion in less than three minutes," fans and players alike thought. Maybe not the last part of the quote, but that's true as well. Anyway, this year, its totally different. Yeah, its the "we're not going to let this happen again" attitude, but its not the "it can't happen again attitude". Meaning that Oklahoma knows that they have to do more than show up for the game.

I'll tell you what, from an OU fan's standpoint, this game is bigger than any other Bedlam game in the history of the series. Look, we are coming off of two straight losses to this team, and we've NEVER lost three in a row. Not to mention both losses really stung. The first time lost us a chance to play for the Big 12 and the Rose Bowl, the second time hurt our pride tremendously. I think the fans are taking this game seriously, and Owen will be as loud as it has been (this will rival the Nebraska and late Alabama game crowds of late).

OSU fans, if you seriously want to deny that this game is not bigger than last year, you might as well go check into the nuthouse. Look, you guys are ranked in the BCS standings, have one loss, and a win against OU would shoot you up very high in the rankings, and you'd still have a quality win bonus. The thought of that makes me shudder. Anyway, you would have serious Sugar Bowl chances. Last year and the 2001 game (and 2000 for that matter) the only implication was a "feel-good" about beating your in-state rival, who was highly ranked. This time there's something in it for you other than just being happy about it and saving the season. If you lose, you just have to realize that you haven't beaten anybody any good all season. If you win, you kick yourself in the face for not beating Nebraska and not throwing the ball to Woods in that game.

This is a huge game, the biggest of the season for both teams. Both teams have everything to gain AND everything to lose for the first time in recent history. Last year's game may have been big from the OU perspective, but the attitude is totally different this year. You got your national spotlight (and funny, its not on Thanksgiving weekend either), you got your ESPN gameday actually heading to a game in which your team plays, and now you'll get embarassed on the BCS spotlight game of the week.

[Huckleberry]

Weak. If getting your ass kicked doesn't tell you you need to do more than show up the next year, then your team is a bunch of idiots.

Which they're not.

By the way, one of the reasons it's not on Thanksgiving weekend is because your boy wonder Bobby Stoops complained about OSU getting to hype up for the game at the end of the season every year.

Your rationalization for saying last year's game wasn't a big game is weak. Last year's was. This year's is. You lost last year. You should win this year. Stop being so pissy.

[Airhog]

Personally I thougth that all three games were big games.


The first year OU had their guard down, and didnt think OSU stood a chance, the next year they thought this cant happen again, and got outplayed once more.

This year however, OU had a bad game the week before, so I expect them to play much better this week. I give the nod to OU but I think the score will be close.

[vex]

IMO, it went like this.

2001: OU overlooked OSU.

2002: OU just got beat. Plain and simple, no way around it.

[Cuckoo]

Originally posted by Huckleberry
By the way, one of the reasons it's not on Thanksgiving weekend is because your boy wonder Bobby Stoops complained about OSU getting to hype up for the game at the end of the season every year.

I don't think this is true at all. The official reason given was that Stoops wanted the week off before the Big XII Championship game, and I believe that. He knows that OU will be in a position year in and year out to play for it, and he hasn't particularly enjoyed not having the week off the last couple of times they've been there. I understand where you'd get your opinion, but Stoops has been wanting to change the date for three years, before OSU was really considered a 'serious' threat.

[Cuckoo]

Originally posted by vexroid
IMO, it went like this.

2001: OU overlooked OSU.

2002: OU just got beat. Plain and simple, no way around it.

I agree. But, I do think that sooner is right in thinking that most OU fans and players had the attitude last year that it couldn't possibly happen again. I think now they know that it can definitely happen, and this is an OSU team that is 7-1, far different than your Daddy's Cowboys.

All that said, I think OSU will score several times against a fantastic OU defense because they seem to have found effective attacks against the zone and can do so many things well. I think that Tatum Bell is one of the most underrated players in the NCAA right now. Well, maybe he's not so underrated after what he's done the last couple of weeks, but...

In the end, though, OU's ability to score on a very suspect OSU 'D' and the OU defensive line's pressure on Fields will be the keys to the game.

My prediction: OU 49 - OSU 35

[Huckleberry]

Cuckoo -

That's just spin. At least it's not nauseating spin like the Mack Brown, Bill Little, Belmont Hall flavor.

I can see why it would need to be changed. I mean, OU has had such a tough go of things in Big XII Championship games and all. I wonder why they didn't just make this game the last game of the year the week before Thanksgiving.

[Vegas Vic]

Oklahoma State's Les Miles drew a reaction from Stoops for a post-game comment Saturday after Miles' Cowboys defeated Texas A&M 38-10, setting up a showdown with Oklahoma this week.

"We know we are playing Oklahoma next week and they are the best team in college football, we are told," Miles said.

Asked how he interpreted the "we are told" phrase, Stoops said, "It probably means he doesn't believe it. Gauging from the way we played a year ago, I don't blame him for not respecting us very much."

Full story (http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=1105494&TP=getsooners)

[Huckleberry]

Yeah, I saw that. It was kind of refreshing for a Texas fan after the annual pregame fellatio given to Stoops by Mack Brown.

As for this week's game, I really see a two touchdown win for Oklahoma. Somewhere in the 38-24 range.

[TroyF]

Get a grip people.

It can't happen again? Are the OU fans really that stupid to have thought that way? In your national championship year you came to Sillwater and escaped with a 5 point win, a game that would have been a loss had Mayes held onto the ball.

The next year OSU goes to Norman and wins. So OU comes into last years game thinking it can't happen again? They'd have to be one of the dumbest teams in the history of the game. No, they knew they could get beat. If they didn't, they should have figured it out after the first series.

As for the game being big for OSU. . . you still don't get it, do you? This game is OSU's national championship game every year. It is the game they play for respect. It doesn't matter to the OSU players if they are playing OU with a shot at the national championship or a shot to go to the Weedwacker Bowl. They WANT this game. Everything they do all year is geared for this game. They live, eat, breathe and sleep this game for 364 days a year.

I've said OSU will lose the game. I think the score up there is probably a TD or two high for each team, but it's about what I expect otherwise. (edit: This was meant for the OU 49-OSU 35 predicted score, I think Huck has it dead on)

Stoopes should have left the game where it was. I wish the Big12 mandated rivalry games for all of its teams that weekend. A&M/Texas and CU/Nebraska on Friday, Kansas/KState and OU/OSU on Saturday. It makes for a great weekend of football and showcases the conference well. Nebraska never cried about CU being on their schedule the week before the Big12 title game, OU shouldn't cry about OSU being there.

Huck,

Yeah, I understand the Texas running game. I just wanted to difuse anyone who would say they did. They are ranked #5 in the Big12 in rushing yards a game. (of course, Young is a big reason for that, again I know)

TroyF

[Cuckoo]

Originally posted by TroyF
Get a grip people.

It can't happen again? Are the OU fans really that stupid to have thought that way? In your national championship year you came to Sillwater and escaped with a 5 point win, a game that would have been a loss had Mayes held onto the ball.

The next year OSU goes to Norman and wins. So OU comes into last years game thinking it can't happen again? They'd have to be one of the dumbest teams in the history of the game. No, they knew they could get beat. If they didn't, they should have figured it out after the first series.

As for the game being big for OSU. . . you still don't get it, do you? This game is OSU's national championship game every year. It is the game they play for respect. It doesn't matter to the OSU players if they are playing OU with a shot at the national championship or a shot to go to the Weedwacker Bowl. They WANT this game. Everything they do all year is geared for this game. They live, eat, breathe and sleep this game for 364 days a year.

TroyF

Troy, I don't think you understand the arrogance of a typical OU fan. :D I went to undergrad at OSU, but I've grown up a lifelong OU fan so I have a unique perspective on it. It was huge in Stillwater in 1995 when OSU beat OU. The entire town went nuts, and I think you're absolutely right that it's their national championship. For OU, though, they expect to beat OSU every single year, no doubt about it. In 2000, Josh Heupel was gimpy, and I think most fans wrote the close game off as a struggling offense, no big deal. The next year, I was at the game and you wouldn't believe the stunned crowd. Even when OSU was driving to score at the end, nobody in the stands thought that OU could actually lose to them. A lot of them chalked it up to a fluke and were shocked again the next year.

This year, I think there's a different attitude. OSU has proven that they're a good team, not just an upstart like last year. They've shown that they're in the tops of the Big 12 South. That kind of situation is completely different from OU's perspective. So, I can see how sooner can say that this year is such a big game. I think finally there is an attitude in Norman that OSU must be contended with that didn't exist before. Call it stupid, I may agree, but it was the case, I'd say.

[Cuckoo]

Originally posted by Huckleberry
Cuckoo -

That's just spin. At least it's not nauseating spin like the Mack Brown, Bill Little, Belmont Hall flavor.

I can see why it would need to be changed. I mean, OU has had such a tough go of things in Big XII Championship games and all. I wonder why they didn't just make this game the last game of the year the week before Thanksgiving.

You may be right. It may just be spin, and I can certainly see how OU would like to downplay the game as much as possible. I do think, though, that Stoops is genuine in his desire to have a week off before the Big XII Championship game. Maybe it's just a "kill two birds" kind of thing. :)

[TroyF]

Cuckoo,

It may have been to the fans. I don't buy that it was with the players. Stoopes knew how dangerous that game was last year. They were ready to play and got their asses kicked. Anything different is revisionist history.

TroyF

[Vegas Vic]

Two more jewels from Les Miles this week.

"It will be a very difficult victory, we all understand that".

"One team may be the best team in college football and the other is a damn good football team," Miles said, pausing to let the words sink in. "We're going to play to see which is which."

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Vegas Vic
Two more jewels from Les Miles this week.

"It will be a very difficult victory, we all understand that".

"One team may be the best team in college football and the other is a damn good football team," Miles said, pausing to let the words sink in. "We're going to play to see which is which."

Win or lose, I love the quotes from Miles. Go in with confidence. Simmons started it and Miles has continued it. . . don't be afraid of Oklahoma. Don't be frightened by their crowd, uniforms, tradition. . . walk out on the field and expect to win the game.

TroyF

[sooner333]

Look, the Big 12 schedules this game for this week, OU and osu both had to agree to move it to the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Now, I'm an OU fan, but its not hard to see that Bob Stoops has never lost a game after a bye week. Furthermore, usually those games are blowout victories. Why shouldn't OU use the Big 12 scheduling to its advantage?

Now, as far as the "we don't want to hype up the Bedlam game like it was at the end of the year" argument is total BS. If you notice, the reason the game was moved to the end was because Fox Sports Net would get to broadcast it nationally. I would go out on a limb and say that more people will watch the game on ABC going out to over 50% of the nation than happen to tune in to FSN (if their network isn't doing basketball, hockey, or college soccer) on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. This game has all the hype in the world. There are so many big games this weekend, and everyone is saying this is the biggest. ESPN has a big game on its network, yet is sending its pregame crew to this game. Could it have happened at Thanksgiving? Yeah, but the point is that its for sure happening now. Cowboy fans should stop bitching that the game has been moved from the time its had for the past four years. Just because its their big game and they want it played on a second-rate cable network every year doesn't mean we have to want that too.

[tucker342]

OSU is a damn good team this year, but I just don't see OU dropping this one....

[tucker342]

dola-

it will be a great game though

[TroyF]

Originally posted by sooner333
Look, the Big 12 schedules this game for this week, OU and osu both had to agree to move it to the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Now, I'm an OU fan, but its not hard to see that Bob Stoops has never lost a game after a bye week. Furthermore, usually those games are blowout victories. Why shouldn't OU use the Big 12 scheduling to its advantage?

Now, as far as the "we don't want to hype up the Bedlam game like it was at the end of the year" argument is total BS. If you notice, the reason the game was moved to the end was because Fox Sports Net would get to broadcast it nationally. I would go out on a limb and say that more people will watch the game on ABC going out to over 50% of the nation than happen to tune in to FSN (if their network isn't doing basketball, hockey, or college soccer) on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. This game has all the hype in the world. There are so many big games this weekend, and everyone is saying this is the biggest. ESPN has a big game on its network, yet is sending its pregame crew to this game. Could it have happened at Thanksgiving? Yeah, but the point is that its for sure happening now. Cowboy fans should stop bitching that the game has been moved from the time its had for the past four years. Just because its their big game and they want it played on a second-rate cable network every year doesn't mean we have to want that too.

As if OU has had problems in the Big12 Championship game under Stoopes. :rolleyes: (for the record, they've been to the Big12 title game twice in the Stoopes era, they won both of those games)

I just think it's stupid not to have the game after Thanksgiving. OU can do whatever the hell they want to do. For the record, I'm pissed off at CU for pulling the same BS with Colorado State. CU doesn't want the game to be played at Investco anymore. They are forcing CSU to come to Boulder and are also making sure they play in the third or fourth weekend. It's BS. There was a great tradition being built up and CU is throwing it away because they are scared of losing to CSU. Pathetic.

I think a great tradition could have been started with three major Big12 games Thanksgiving weekend. How is it that the 'Horns, Aggies, Huskers, Buffs and Cowboys don't have a problem playing that weekend but OU does? You can spin it anyway you want, I think it sucks. Call it whining if you want. I'll continue to say OU and Stoopes are being selfish bastards for handling it like this.

Oh, for the record, I think Bob Stoopes is the best coach in college football. I have all the respect in the world for him and admire him greatly for what he's done at OU. That respect doesn't mean I have to agree with every decision he makes.

TroyF

[Vegas Vic]

Asked about his relationship with Miles, Stoops quipped: "It's fair to say we're not calling each other up and going to dinner." ... Stoops did address, however, the subject of a yearlong dispute between him and Miles: the date of the Oklahoma-Oklahoma State game. Miles wants the game played the Saturday after Thanksgiving; Stoops doesn't like that date because it's the week before the Big 12 title game -- the Sooners have played in two of the last three league championships. "You can't argue with our reasons," Stoops said. "The game is going to be played regardless. I don't know why that week is better than this week."

[Huckleberry]

I can argue with his reasons. Other teams play the week before the Championship Game. I guess if Oklahoma and Nebraska play in it this year, then we'll know the reason if Oklahoma wins.

Stoops is normally a no-nonsense guy, and that's the source of everyone's respect for him. But he's spinning badly on this one.

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Huckleberry
I can argue with his reasons. Other teams play the week before the Championship Game. I guess if Oklahoma and Nebraska play in it this year, then we'll know the reason if Oklahoma wins.

Stoops is normally a no-nonsense guy, and that's the source of everyone's respect for him. But he's spinning badly on this one.

Agreed. Why doesn't Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, Texas A&M or Oklahoma State have a problem with it? Guess they don't think they can make the championship game, huh Bob?

The thing that amazes me is the guy hasn't ever lost a Big12 title game. I mean, I might see his point if he'd lost four consecutive title games because of it. He's 2-0. His reasoning is pathetic.

TroyF

[sooner333]

Why don't you guys petition the Big 12 to schedule the game that weekend, just like they schedule the other Thanksgiving games that weekend. And why should OU and OSU settle for a regional cable network to broadcast the game while the other two games get a national game on ABC?

[TroyF]

Originally posted by sooner333
Why don't you guys petition the Big 12 to schedule the game that weekend, just like they schedule the other Thanksgiving games that weekend. And why should OU and OSU settle for a regional cable network to broadcast the game while the other two games get a national game on ABC?

Thanks for reminding me, I forgot to blow apart the national TV arguement earlier.

The Saturday game could get on a network or the game could be moved to Friday afternoon. Texas/A&M and CU/Nebraska are on Friday early morning and Friday midday. (although this year the schedule shows the two game are reversed) Either have ABC extend it and add the game as part of a Big12 triple header on Friday or have ABC pick up the game on
Saturday. You know what game they have currently scheduled for that Saturday at 1 EST? Iowa State at Missouri. National game. ABC.

Are you telling me they wouldn't rather have an OU/OSU game in that time slot? (not bashing either Iowa State or Missouri here, but this is turning into a terrific rivalry, there is zero doubt what game they'd prefer)

We can petition the Big12 all we want. If Stoopsie doesn't agree to it, it won't fly. Both teams have to agree.

As Huck said above, Stoopes is admired by fans and fellow coaches alike because of his candor and his skill. This rings hollow on all levels. It's sad, not because the game loses importance by being played on another date. It would just be a great way to showcase this conference for a weekend. A weekend, I might add, that usually atracts a lot more viewership than this coming weekend. The women folk go shopping, the guys stay at home and watch the games. :)

TroyF

[Vegas Vic]

From Stoops' Tuesday press conference:

Do you feel that you'll be more "up" for this game than the previous three?

"I'm not much for reasoning things away. I think people look at the year of 2000, and we make a play to win the game, in 2001 we don't. If we make that play in 2001 we're in three straight Big 12 championship games. Last year they badly outcoached us, and we admit that."

An inevitable question regarding OU's desire to not play the game on its semi-traditional Saturday-after-Thanksgiving date came up in the question and answer session. Stoops stuck to his guns in his answer.

"“You can’t argue with our reasons. The attention is here. I don’t know why that week is any better. We’re getting ESPN College Gameday this week. It’s great with the whole country watching. The last three years we have been looking at the Big 12 Championship, two years we already had it locked up. If that were the case and we already had the games finished up, you could practice three days and let the players go home to be with their families," said Stoops. "It still allows them to come back and have a full week of practice before the Big 12 Championship game and have extra preparation for whomever you’re going to play. How can that not be good? There are sound reasons and the attention is still there for this game.”

[Vegas Vic]

Former OU tight-end Trent Smith on the series:

"OU-Texas is a rivalry born out of pure hatred," Smith said. "OU- Nebraska is a rivalry born out of pure respect. You don't get a lot of trash talking when OU plays Nebraska. But OSU is kind of like the forgotten son of Oklahoma. They've been overshadowed and beat down and had a lot rougher times than us.

"They sucked for so long they're fighting to show they don't anymore. I'm ready to admit that they don't. They're fully capable of winning every game they play, and this year they're doing great. I think they're a top-10 caliber team this year."

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Vegas Vic
Former OU tight-end Trent Smith on the series:

"OU-Texas is a rivalry born out of pure hatred," Smith said. "OU- Nebraska is a rivalry born out of pure respect. You don't get a lot of trash talking when OU plays Nebraska. But OSU is kind of like the forgotten son of Oklahoma. They've been overshadowed and beat down and had a lot rougher times than us.

"They sucked for so long they're fighting to show they don't anymore. I'm ready to admit that they don't. They're fully capable of winning every game they play, and this year they're doing great. I think they're a top-10 caliber team this year."

He's pretty much dead on. I don't see anything wrong with his assessment there. I do question if OSU is really a top ten team this year. I hope they prove that they are on Saturday.

TroyF

[Vegas Vic]

Stoops was still seething during an awkward post-game handshake with Miles.

"I just said good game and started to walk off" Stoops said. He grabbed me and said,"I guess we found out who the number one"....I didn't listen. I just heard part of it. I was halfway gone."

Stoops said he did not care about Miles' opinion on the No. 1 subject.

"He doesn't need to tell me what we are." Stoops said.

Classic.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-1/9751/stoops_miles.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-1/9751/stoops_miles2.jpg

[tucker342]

Why was Stoops pissed off?

[vex]

Originally posted by tucker342
Why was Stoops pissed off?



You're kidding me?

[TroyF]

Classic?

How about classless. Myles is congratulating him and he disses him. Nice.

OSU has REALLY gotten under his skin. From the scheduling to the backhanded compliments to this. . . OSU really pisses this guy off. I love it. He's giving legitimicy to the entire program by his behavior.

I remember Stoopes making similar comments to Myles when he was turning around OU. Only difference is he was making them to Texas and Nebraska on that memorable run he had. I guess he can't take it when someone does it to him.

He's the best coach in college football, his attitude toward OSU is pathetic. Don't worry Bobbo, you still can't get those national championships that OSU ruined for you back. If you stay at OU, we'll get you again, you can take that to the bank. :)

TroyF

[Vegas Vic]

Troy,

I'm going to try to be as diplomatic as I can in my response. You keep mentioning the "backhanded compliments" OU has been making to OSU. Here are the facts. Les Miles started this, and he hasn't let up in two years. It all began with this zinger after the last second 16-13 win in 2001:

"I want this on the record - we should have beat 'em by much more".

This coming from the coach of a 4-7 team who acted like he just capped off his season with the Sears Trophy.

Stoops is blunt, but he is also respectful. Before a game, you'll never hear him discredit an opposing team. However, he'll be the first to admit that OU was outcoached and outplayed when they lost to OSU. He takes the blame himself. He has little tolerance for people who discredit his work/team. He is right -- one game doesn't do it, championships do. Stoops all last week and during the interviews on ABC talked about championships in contrast to the Aggies who can only hope to knock off the sooners on average every 5th try. The sad part for Oklahoma State... Bob Stoops will not lose to them again, ever, mark it down.

"Let me tell you something," Stoops said. "You'll never hear anybody in this program -- me included -- talk about a champion the way we were talked about. If we beat Oklahoma State and they're sitting there in the Big 12 championship game, you're not going to hear a peep out of me. You will not hear me say one word about a champion. One game, and I don't care if it's the Dallas Cowboys, isn't going to make our year."

[Huckleberry]

Yeah, Stoops is right. Which is why he was silent the week after this gem:

"They can call themselves whatever they want, we're the ones going to Dallas."

That was Stoops the week before the Oklahoma State game in 2001. When they lost and Texas went to Dallas, he was curiously mum. But I guess he was just sticking to his guns to never speak a bad word of a champion. ;)

[Vegas Vic]

Originally posted by Huckleberry
Yeah, Stoops is right. Which is why he was silent the week after this gem:

"They can call themselves whatever they want, we're the ones going to Dallas."

That was Stoops the week before the Oklahoma State game in 2001. When they lost and Texas went to Dallas, he was curiously mum. But I guess he was just sticking to his guns to never speak a bad word of a champion. ;)

He definitely ate a big dish of crow on that one. But you did not hear a single peep from him about OU beating Texas during the Big XII Championship week.

[Huckleberry]

Vic -

But I think that part of Troy's point with regards to the class of a head coach is that you also didn't hear a single peep from Mack Brown about the comment Stoops made and how it backfired badly.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally posted by Huckleberry
Vic -

But I think that part of Troy's point with regards to the class of a head coach is that you also didn't hear a single peep from Mack Brown about the comment Stoops made and how it backfired badly.

Mack Brown has a lot of class and he's a very nice man. You'll never hear me say otherwise.

[TroyF]

Stoops is blunt, but he is also respectful. Before a game, you'll never hear him discredit an opposing team. However, he'll be the first to admit that OU was outcoached and outplayed when they lost to OSU. He takes the blame himself. He has little tolerance for people who discredit his work/team. He is right -- one game doesn't do it, championships do. Stoops all last week and during the interviews on ABC talked about championships in contrast to the Aggies who can only hope to knock off the sooners on average every 5th try. The sad part for Oklahoma State... Bob Stoops will not lose to them again, ever, mark it down.

OSU can only hope to knock off Oklahoma once every five years? Really? Funny, I look up the records and it doesn't show that OSU has only 2 wins in the last ten years against OU. I see FIVE wins. Stoopsie? Well, he's now 3-2 against us.

He's acting the same way Gary Barnett acts toward Colorado State. The series is almost identical in how it has went. He HATES the fact OSU has beaten him. He hates that they beat the HELL out of him last year.

What Myles said was not disrespect. He made a true statement, "we'll find out who is number one when we play the game" When he was ready to give Stoopes the credit for that, Stoopsie went off the field in a hissy fit. I guess next year Myles should just admit defeat before the game like Mack Brown does. Then Stoopsie will treat OSU with class.

TroyF

[Vegas Vic]

Originally posted by TroyF
[b]OSU can only hope to knock off Oklahoma once every five years? Really? Funny, I look up the records and it doesn't show that OSU has only 2 wins in the last ten years against OU.

Funny, I thought the records went back further than ten years. The series history now stands at 74-16-7, which means I was indeed incorrect -- OSU wins on average once every 6 years. I stand corrected.

[vex]

Originally posted by Vegas Vic
Funny, I thought the records went back further than ten years. The series history now stands at 74-16-7, which means I was indeed incorrect -- OSU wins on average once every 6 years. I stand corrected.


How about this, since 1945, OSU has only won 12 times.

[Huckleberry]

Yeah, well OU only beats texas like 3 out of every 8 times or whatever. :)

Originally posted by TroyF
I guess next year Myles should just admit defeat before the game like Mack Brown does. Then Stoopsie will treat OSU with class.

TroyF

Hey now, don't get all down on Mack. He's just being realistic.

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Vegas Vic
Funny, I thought the records went back further than ten years. The series history now stands at 74-16-7, which means I was indeed incorrect -- OSU wins on average once every 6 years. I stand corrected.

You're better than that Vic. You know damned well the history of the series means nothing during this era.

KState is 13-71 against Nebraska in their history. Do you think that takes away from what they've been able to do against the Huskers the last 5 years?

OSU did have the attitude that they couldn't compete with OU for a long, long time.

If you think OSU only hopes to compete with OU once every 5 years in THIS era, you are drinking a little bit too much Kool-Aid. OSU probably won't contend for a national championship in the next 5 to 10 years. They may NEVER contend for one. At least we now have a coach who wants to reach for the brass ring and give it a try. Stoopes should have a quiet admiration for that. . . and he probably would if OSU hadn't bitch slapped him two consecutive years. If this were say NCState against Florida State, you don't think Stoopes would smile at the attitude Myles was instilling in his players?

Fact is, Myles was EATING HIS WORDS when he attempted to give Stoopes credit for winning the game. He was admitting defeat. Stoopes wasn't classy enough to accept the congrats and instead chose to turn his back and walk away. Good for him.

I still don't think he's any less of a coach. I still think he's a pretty damned good human being. It shows me he isn't perfect, that he has some faults.

It also shows me that my little, pathetic school who Oklahoma wouldn't even acknowledge football wise, has now grown up. OU considers us rivals and is preparing to play us with everything they have. It's now a big game. I'd say Myles and OSU was on the right track.

TroyF

[Vegas Vic]

I think the tiime has come to lay this one to rest and move on. There are bigger fish to fry for OU. For OSU, I'll be watching their game with Texas. We'll see if Less can get his troops regrouped for what should be a very entertaining game.

[Aylmar]

Less? Putting it to rest with a little pop, eh? :)