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ShovelMonkey

11-14-2003, 08:17 PM

I work for a construction company on a paving crew and get laid off every year around Thanks Giving. I draw max un-employment and usually go back around the 1st of April, God I love my winter vacation.

Sign up for unemployment and unless it's a major paycut don't rush going back to work...think of it as paid vacation...;)

mrskippy

11-14-2003, 08:25 PM

If you've got a BA, go take the CBEST and than apply to be a substitute teacher. Since you're in California, it shouldn't be too hard to find work. It'll cost you some cash (CBEST, fingerprinting, and permit), but it is worth it.

The Afoci

11-14-2003, 08:32 PM

Well we all know what needs to be done here. Walk into the place and wax the bastards. ;)

Sorry to hear about this and good luck find the next one.

mrskippy

11-14-2003, 08:35 PM

You know I almost spit on a newsrack of my former paper the other day. I also flipped the building off when I drove by. Of course, I also said thanks for assisting in my career change. Woohoo!!!

Changing careers was a great decision.

BTW ... if you have or can get Macintosh certification, I know of a school that needs a systems administrator.

CamEdwards

11-14-2003, 08:42 PM

I'm sorry to hear about it Mr. Noble. Keep your chin up... and let me know if I can do anything to help.

tucker342

11-14-2003, 09:56 PM

That sucks dude:(

Wasabiak

11-14-2003, 09:56 PM

I was laid off this time last year, so i feel your pain. But like everyone says, keep a good attitude, keep your chin up. Hopefully you find a better job bud.

wbonnell

11-14-2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Just got axed today... company slashed this year's IT budget.

Of course, the worst part is no FOF2k4 for a while.

Oh, and I'm done with the "Franklin" handle. It must be cursed...

What do you do for a living?

MizzouRah

11-14-2003, 10:17 PM

Sorry to hear this as well. I hope everything goes well for you.

Todd

clintl

11-14-2003, 10:41 PM

Sorry to hear that.

FWIW, I've been doing some substitute teaching this fall. If you're at all inclined to take mrskippy's suggestion, I can share with you my perspective.

mrskippy

11-14-2003, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by clintl

FWIW, I've been doing some substitute teaching this fall. If you're at all inclined to take mrskippy's suggestion, I can share with you my perspective.

What grades and/or classes have you been subbing?

I personally prefer high school.

Had a great assignment today. Teacher was there when I arrived. She was a babe. Not married either.

BigJohn&TheLions

11-14-2003, 11:12 PM

Damn. Sorry to hear, it's always rough. Spend the $30 now before you'll need it and this may give you some extra time to build a winner... See, there's always something good to come from the bad!

clintl

11-14-2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by mrskippy
What grades and/or classes have you been subbing?

I personally prefer high school.

Had a great assignment today. Teacher was there when I arrived. She was a babe. Not married either.

I've taught 1st grade up through high school. I haven't taught any age group enough times to really have a favorite yet.

JeeberD

11-15-2003, 12:47 AM

Damn, that really sucks dude. Hope you find something new soon...

But on a good note at least now you'll have plenty of time for the Matrix dynasty! :)

sooner333

11-15-2003, 01:41 AM

Haha, in Oklahoma, the qualifications for subbing were going to a 3 hour class and having a high school diploma. That's it. So, with Northwestern having the quarter system and starting in late September, I spent that month substitute teaching at my old high school. Considering that I knew a lot of the kids, it was kind fun/odd. Anyway, usually the teacher leaves a good amount of work and they don't expect you to know anything. Then you just tell the kids to do it and turn it in, or whatever. Just let them talk amongst themselves and they won't cause too much trouble.

Buzzbee

11-15-2003, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by ShovelMonkey
I work for a construction company on a paving crew and get laid off every year around Thanks Giving. I draw max un-employment and usually go back around the 1st of April, God I love my winter vacation.

Sign up for unemployment and unless it's a major paycut don't rush going back to work...think of it as paid vacation...;)

You know, I'm probably going to come across as a prick, so I apologize in advance.

Enjoy your fucking "paid vacation" that the rest of the people in Pennsylvania are paying for. You are obviously physically able to work since you work on a paving crew. Yet rather than find a job and work for your money, you'd rather live off the public tit. Unemployment is intended for people like FranklinNoble who got laid off and need assistance making ends meet until they are able to find another job. Fucking mooch.

FrogMan

11-15-2003, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Buzzbee
You know, I'm probably going to come across as a prick, so I apologize in advance.

Enjoy your fucking "paid vacation" that the rest of the people in Pennsylvania are paying for. You are obviously physically able to work since you work on a paving crew. Yet rather than find a job and work for your money, you'd rather live off the public tit. Unemployment is intended for people like FranklinNoble who got laid off and need assistance making ends meet until they are able to find another job. Fucking mooch.

huh, I may not have used the same wording, but you paraphrased quite well my thoughts...

FM

The Afoci

11-15-2003, 07:56 AM

I don't know the specific case for ShovelMonkey, but in some cases, they end up working 80-90 hours for the 7-8 months they do work. For that time they have little to no free time. I say live it up. ;)

CraigSca

11-15-2003, 08:04 AM

He can live it up, but use the funds that he saved during his months of work to have his vacation. I think the point is - why should the state of Pennsylvania subsidize his vacation and not him?

lynchjm24

11-15-2003, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by The Afoci
I don't know the specific case for ShovelMonkey, but in some cases, they end up working 80-90 hours for the 7-8 months they do work. For that time they have little to no free time. I say live it up. ;)

Live it up on someone else's dime. Scumbags.

Raiders Army

11-15-2003, 09:26 AM

And this is what is wrong with unemployment and welfare. I grew up in Pennsylvania, and there were families that lived on welfare who could've worked, but why? Oh, by the way, what do you think they did for entertainment since they had no money? They screwed and created more little "welfare" babies. And what do you think their kids grew up to be? Welfare recipients. You all can join the Army like me and not worry about getting laid off :)

ice4277

11-15-2003, 09:36 AM

Well, if he IS working 80-90 hours a week for those 7 or 8 months, then it seems to me he should be pulling in enough money to live throughout the year. If not, go find another job.

The Afoci

11-15-2003, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by ice4277
Well, if he IS working 80-90 hours a week for those 7 or 8 months, then it seems to me he should be pulling in enough money to live throughout the year. If not, go find another job.

I am not against reform in the system. But as it stands, he would be a fool not to take the money that is offered to him. As for continued discussion of this, perhaps a different thread should be created. I doubt this is the proper one for this.

Kodos

11-15-2003, 10:30 AM

Sorry to hear that, Franklin. I hope you find something new soon. Tough time of year to be unemployed. :(

Franklinnoble

11-15-2003, 10:31 AM

I don't have a degree. I'm a server systems admin w/10 yrs. exp. I'm sure I'll find something; this is just a shitty time of year to be out of work.

Buccaneer

11-15-2003, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by CraigSca
He can live it up, but use the funds that he saved during his months of work to have his vacation. I think the point is - why should the state of Pennsylvania subsidize his vacation and not him?

Because people expect the government to "do" something.

Buccaneer

11-15-2003, 10:35 AM

Oh, and Franklin - good luck man.

wbonnell

11-15-2003, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by The Afoci
I am not against reform in the system. But as it stands, he would be a fool not to take the money that is offered to him. As for continued discussion of this, perhaps a different thread should be created. I doubt this is the proper one for this.

doesn't make it ethical

sooner333

11-15-2003, 11:01 AM

There are a ton of things the government do to give people artificial advantages. Some people really do deserve this money, many people do not. Welfare ought to be reformed to match people with jobs as soon as possible and as soon as they can be trained and placed into that job, the benefits cease. Wisconsin privatized its welfare services to for-profit companies who agressively placed people in jobs, and they ended up making a lot of money that way. Should private companies be making money off of welfare? That's a separate question alltogether. But it does show that the system saves a lot of money and still gets people the jobs they deserve.

wbonnell

11-15-2003, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by sooner333
Some people really do deserve this money, many people do not.

Deserve? That's a strong word.

sooner333

11-15-2003, 11:16 AM

Well, by deserve I mean need as well. Only people who need the money deserve the money. It's that simple. Taking a long vacation on the government doesn't really illustrate need to me. I can't say I blame anybody for taking it, even though the morality could be questioned, because it is there for the taking. My point is, that it should not be there for the taking, so something should be done to fix it.

clintl

11-15-2003, 12:36 PM

As I pointed out in the other thread, unemployment benefits are not welfare. They are an insurance claim for which premiums have been made by the employer for coverage. That doesn't mean that it's not a good idea to require people receiving the benefits to look for work, because that keeps the premium costs down and has other social and economic benefits, but anyone who is qualified to receive benefits should have no guilt or qualms about taking them, any more than they should feel any guilt for making an auto insurance claim even if they have the money to pay for the damage themselves. The coverage has been paid for, and there's nothing wrong with using it.

Bronxbombers

11-15-2003, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by ShovelMonkey
I work for a construction company on a paving crew and get laid off every year around Thanks Giving. I draw max un-employment and usually go back around the 1st of April, God I love my winter vacation.

Sign up for unemployment and unless it's a major paycut don't rush going back to work...think of it as paid vacation...;)

As a business owner, I have to say how offensive this is. Unemployment is NOT for a goddamn paid vacation. It is to provide a temporary souce of income until you find ANOTHER job, NOT to sit on your fat butt. This is not money you have paid into, does not come out of any taxes, etc. It's a fund that is paid by the employer, and every dollar that someone takes out, the employer has to replace.

I have to go in front of judges at least twice a month because of lazy ex-employees who want to get paid to sit at home and watch television.

Welcome to the welfare/ trailer park crowd. You fit right in...

P.S. This is no reflection on honest folks who live in trailer parks. My wife and I started out that way.

Bronxbombers

11-15-2003, 02:34 PM

Bronxbombers

11-15-2003, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by clintl
As I pointed out in the other thread, unemployment benefits are not welfare. They are an insurance claim for which premiums have been made by the employer for coverage. That doesn't mean that it's not a good idea to require people receiving the benefits to look for work, because that keeps the premium costs down and has other social and economic benefits, but anyone who is qualified to receive benefits should have no guilt or qualms about taking them, any more than they should feel any guilt for making an auto insurance claim even if they have the money to pay for the damage themselves. The coverage has been paid for, and there's nothing wrong with using it.

Close... there is no insurance at work here. That is Workman's Comp. This is strictly a fund that the employer MUST keep (and the formula for the fund amount is quite complicated. Took my accountant over 3 hours to get me up to speed.). When an ex-employee pulls money out, the employer MUST replace it. That is why all companies fight this like rabid dogs. Why should a lazy ex-employee get a paid vacation on the companies dime? The original guy who started this whole thread is just a piece of trash, pure and simple.

Funny how we don't see him here defending his views...

finkenst

11-15-2003, 03:26 PM

The original guy who started this whole thread is just a piece of trash, pure and simple.

Well,I'm positive that Franklin Noble appreciates your concern during his time of hardship. Why not read the entire thread before you insert your foot in your mouth?

Because I'm sure this was all his fault: Just got axed today... company slashed this year's IT budget

--tim

CamEdwards

11-15-2003, 03:31 PM

I'm going to give Bronx Bombers the benefit of the doubt and assume he was simply confused with who started this thread (Franklinnoble) and who kinda started the threadjack (shovel monkey).

Bronxbombers

11-15-2003, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by finkenst
Well,I'm positive that Franklin Noble appreciates your concern during his time of hardship. Why not read the entire thread before you insert your foot in your mouth?

Because I'm sure this was all his fault:

--tim

Sorry, I misstyped. I meant the guy who originally came out with the unemployment rights statement. NOT the guy who got laid off of course.

clintl

11-15-2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Bronxbombers
Close... there is no insurance at work here. That is Workman's Comp. This is strictly a fund that the employer MUST keep (and the formula for the fund amount is quite complicated. Took my accountant over 3 hours to get me up to speed.). When an ex-employee pulls money out, the employer MUST replace it. That is why all companies fight this like rabid dogs.

Thanks for the clarification. On the California Employment Development Department's website (the agency the administers the program in California), it's referred to as an insurance program, and the way it's described there sounds more like an insurance program, too. It may be handled differently in different states, or EDD may just have a muddled explanation of how the program works on the employer side. The page I was looking seemed intended more for the claimants than for employers.

sterlingice

11-16-2003, 06:10 AM

Yo! Threadjackers- pipe down!

I mean, I'm all for a good threadjack but FN just lost his job- this isn't the time or place.

Anyways, good luck on the job find, man. It's a tough industry to be in right now.

SI

GrantDawg

11-16-2003, 07:06 AM

You guys are right. Just because a company that Shovel works for 80-90 hours a week for 8-9 months lays him off right at Christmas, and even though there are no other jobs available in his field during the winter, and even though the company he works for is the one who is actually paying the unemployment (which is cheaper for them than keeping him on staff till he is needed again in the fall and they are probably quite happy with the arrangement), he is a complete jerk for taking money given to him by his employer because he was laid off.

And the people who are attacking him are not morons.

GrantDawg

11-16-2003, 07:11 AM

By the way, Franklin, good luck finding another job. And don't feel a bit guilty about taking every dime of unemployment coming to you while you try to find the right job for you. I'm sure the corporate exec that laid you off isn’t losing a minute of sleep over cashing his/her big bonus check that was once your salary.

sooner333

11-16-2003, 11:56 AM

I don't think people have too much problem taking the money. After all, he would need a replacement of funds while he was not working. But, the main issue people have is the way he phrased it. Instead of saying, "I took the money while I was looking for a job," he said, "I'm taking a paid vacation, woohoo!" It seems like an abuse of the system that is in place. We don't know if there are more jobs out there in his field in the winter because he's just sitting down and watching television all day instead of taking a look.

Franklinnoble

11-16-2003, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by GrantDawg
By the way, Franklin, good luck finding another job. And don't feel a bit guilty about taking every dime of unemployment coming to you while you try to find the right job for you. I'm sure the corporate exec that laid you off isn’t losing a minute of sleep over cashing his/her big bonus check that was once your salary.

Don't worry... I don't know how much unemployment is going to pay me, but I had no guilt whatsoever about applying for it on Friday afternoon. I have a wife and two kids to feed, and I have nothing but contempt for the sick, greedy motherfucker who publishes a press announcement a week ago saying how my company, VeriFone, Inc., is enjoying record earnings and is leading the industry, and then slashes a bunch of jobs a month before Christmas.

I'm referring to you, Doug Bergeron, CEO of VeriFone, Inc. You are a mother fucker. You probably fuck your uncle, your dog, and various other mammals and reptiles, alive and/or dead. I wish you an eternity in hell, and if you take exception to any of this, I invite you to meet me so that we can discuss the matter further.

Thanks for all the kind words, everyone. I'm sure everything will work out. :D

TLK

11-16-2003, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
I'm referring to you, Doug Bergeron, CEO of VeriFone, Inc. You are a mother fucker. You probably fuck your uncle, your dog, and various other mammals and reptiles, alive and/or dead. I wish you an eternity in hell, and if you take exception to any of this, I invite you to meet me so that we can discuss the matter further.

Tell us how you really feel...... :D

In all seriousness, I hope everything works out for you......

Madcap710

11-16-2003, 07:41 PM

I know how you feel, Franklinnoble. My own company was mentioned as one of the top 100 fastest growing companies in the city. They had a banquet to honor everyone who made it on the list.

It was very funny, in a pathetic sort of way. At our company, all the big wigs attended, as well as the founding plank members, and anyone else deemed "important."

Despite the fact that my efforts directly led to this ranking (Without me, Software Support, Customer Support, and god knows what else would just fall apart). I was not invited.

It's not so much that I wanted to attend - I didn't - but I would have liked the opportunity to say yes or no. Sometimes, it's not what you do or how well you do it. Sometimes, it's just who you know, or how well you play the game of politics.

Good luck, FN. May you find a job that pays well, and is stable!!! As for Doug Bergeron, may he receive his just rewards in the next life.

As for me, I think it's about time I had a talk with my boss. Loyalty's one thing, but as they said in The Rock, "I want my fuckin' money. Sir!"

Buzzbee

11-18-2003, 01:15 PM

FN - Just wanted to touch base and see how things are going. I kinda dropped out of this thread after the debates started. Sorry for the threadjack. I hope all is well.

Interesting connection. Doug Bergeron spoke in one of our company meetings and gave a little rah-rah speech about how we had some tough times but we were turning a corner, blah, blah, blah. A week and a half he turned tail and resigned as CEO. At least in my case it was him gone and not me.

Franklinnoble

11-18-2003, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Buzzbee
FN - Just wanted to touch base and see how things are going. I kinda dropped out of this thread after the debates started. Sorry for the threadjack. I hope all is well.

Interesting connection. Doug Bergeron spoke in one of our company meetings and gave a little rah-rah speech about how we had some tough times but we were turning a corner, blah, blah, blah. A week and a half he turned tail and resigned as CEO. At least in my case it was him gone and not me.

From what I know of his history, Bergeron basically makes his money by taking over companies, doing NOTHING to improve them but slashing payroll to artificially boost the bottom line, then selling out and finding another victim to leach.

He's a blood-sucking, cock-sucking bastard.

Anyhow, I'm deep in the throes of job-hunting. I have no idea what unemployment is going to pay me, and if I have my way, I won't have to wait to find out. I just wish the Sacramento area job market was a little stronger right now.

thesloppy

11-18-2003, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Franklinnoble

Anyhow, I'm deep in the throes of job-hunting. I have no idea what unemployment is going to pay me, and if I have my way, I won't have to wait to find out. I just wish the Sacramento area job market was a little stronger right now.

I believe California unemployment will pay you 66% of whatever your monthly wage was during the last calendar year...I'm not exactly sure on those figures, but it doesn't really matter because there's a $330/week cap, so most likely that is what you'll be getting unless you made less than ~$25K a year.

You can collect benefits for 6 months, and at that point I believe there's a 3 month extension if you're still out of work, but after those 9 months you're SOL. Additionally, 10% of whatever you collect in benefits is also taxable, and you can choose to have that taken out of your bi-weekly checks, or pay it with the rest of your taxes after the end of the year.

Cali's unemployment is rather stingy considering the cost of living, but you look at their financial troubles and it's hard to complain. I was laid off 3 times in 1 year working in ye olde silicon valley, and had to move back to Oregon because the job market shriveled up and died in SF, and $1320 a month was going to leave me with a cool $20 after $1300 rent for a tiny studio of marginal quality.

clintl

11-18-2003, 05:05 PM

Actually, $370/week is the max in California now, and it goes up to $430/week in January.

Riggins44

11-18-2003, 05:08 PM

Hope you are able to find work before the holidays. It's tough right now. Doesn't help that we have a flood of H1-B visa workers bombarding the IT field.

sterlingice

11-18-2003, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
From what I know of his history, Bergeron basically makes his money by taking over companies, doing NOTHING to improve them but slashing payroll to artificially boost the bottom line, then selling out and finding another victim to leach.

He's a blood-sucking, cock-sucking bastard.

Anyhow, I'm deep in the throes of job-hunting. I have no idea what unemployment is going to pay me, and if I have my way, I won't have to wait to find out. I just wish the Sacramento area job market was a little stronger right now.

Oh, so he's a corporate raider. "Barbarians at the Gate" with James Garner is a great movie about that. Made for HBO in the early 90s, I believe. It's about RJR trying to buy out Nabisco in a big takeover. Garner is the CEO trying to keep his company from being dismantled while everyone else (including Johnathan Pryce, iirc) is trying to buy them out and strip the company.

SI