Game Hates me!

[NYFAN]

Here are 3 errors I cut and pasted... it happens usually after a sim week when i press one of the roster related pages...

FRFOOT caused an invalid page fault in
module I81XDW9X.DRV at 0003:00002df7.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=0327 EIP=00002df7 EFLGS=00000246
EBX=00000015 SS=513f ESP=0000b1da EBP=0000b202
ECX=c980f018 DS=2077 ESI=80276b38 FS=2a7f
EDX=00000000 ES=775e EDI=81c81ff4 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8a 14 38 40 83 c1 02 3b c3 66 8b 94 96 90 0c 00
Stack dump:
ccf7b000 80276b38 ccf7d000 00000015 00000030 00000018 8142e208 81c82cb4 c980d698 c980f018 0000b21a 00002eb0 00000088 80276a1c 80276b38 812ebd20

FRFOOT caused an invalid page fault in
module I81XDW9X.DRV at 0003:00002df7.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=0327 EIP=00002df7 EFLGS=00010246
EBX=00000015 SS=2767 ESP=cf1586fe EBP=00008726
ECX=c97cf6d8 DS=2077 ESI=80276b38 FS=3ccf
EDX=00000000 ES=74a6 EDI=81c91fe8 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8a 14 38 40 83 c1 02 3b c3 66 8b 94 96 90 0c 00
Stack dump:
ccf7b000 80276b38 ccf7d000 00000015 00000030 00000018 80e1cf68 81c92ae0 c97ce0e8 c97cf6d8 0000873e 00002eb0 00000075 80276a1c 80276b38 80e1e9a0


FRFOOT caused an invalid page fault in
module FRFOOT.EXE at 0167:00593fad.
Registers:
EAX=494d0000 CS=0167 EIP=00593fad EFLGS=00010216
EBX=00000000 SS=016f ESP=00ad7e24 EBP=00ad7e30
ECX=00593eb0 DS=016f ESI=00ad8010 FS=19d7
EDX=00000000 ES=016f EDI=008b51dc GS=5b26
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8b 0c c5 44 e7 61 00 89 4d fc 8b 55 10 8b 04 d5
Stack dump:
00ad8010 00ad7e68 0002d6d4 00ad7e4c bfb8c807 00000000 00000001 494d0000 00000004 00ad7fac 00ad7e6c bfb82baa 00000000 00000001 00ad8010 00000000






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[ohmslaw]

You think that's bad? Here's an error I got from my first season of Fuck Over Football 2000:

Cincinnati 14 wins, 2 losses
Philadelphia 12 wins, 4 losses
St. Louis 4 wins, 12 losses
Tampa Bay 0 wins, 16 losses

And from the second new season:

San Diego 10-6
Dallas 11-4-1
Washington 1-15

WTF? Apparently they got a license to use the real life teams and player names, but not to use the real life abilities of the teams and players. It's not the minor UI ugliness issue or the lack of franchise records that make this game unplayable. It's the complete and utter randomness (or perhaps deliberate skewing) of the results.

[andy m]

yes, you are completely right - it is deliberately skewed. FOF was never intended to perfectly imitate the NFL.

did you ever play FOF2? jim designed it in so that the initial player ratings are never the same for each game, thus making it more interesting. of course, certain players will always start out good, like Kurt Warner, but the lesser known players and rookies have a certain random chance to be good / mediocre / bad. factor in the quality of the headcoach you get to start the season, trades, and injuries, and you can see why you get a fluctuation in results.

it's deliberate. and i think it's a good feature...

[ohmslaw]

No, this is more than just the uncertainty in the lesser known players. This is just freakiness. The Redskins had all of 3 wins in one of my first seasons, despite the fact that the game admitted they had the strongest roster, had a highly rated coach and scout, had few injuries, and they had a relatively soft schedule.

Not to mention that Cincinnati consistently makes the playoffs and breaks 10 wins. In fact, I started keeping track, and in 10 new games Cincinnati finished above .500 in every single one, made the playoffs in 8, broke 10 wins in 5, went to the Super Bowl in 3, and won the Bowl in 2. Is Jim a Bungles fan?

This points to more than just the normal fudging we all knew and loved from past FOFs. It's almost as if every first season is a season like last year, with small-market last-place teams winning, backup players becoming stars, bona fide stars getting hurt. It's a complete upending of the league.

[SackAttack]

That's what happens when you essentially freeze a moment in time like text sims try to do. You wind up capturing a trend, and the results you get aren't necessarily always what you'd expect.

FWIW, I've had results that ARE what you'd expect (SF goin' 0-16), and results you wouldn't (Cleveland goin' 9-7).

It happens.

Josh

[Laddin]

Well hell, the only thing seperating Cincinnati from the rest of the NFL is coaching and management. YOU remove that and The Bungles become a team that wins 10 games and makes the playoffs.

Ligthen up.