Supporters

[bigjdotcom01]

West Henrietta FC has just passed the 1300 supporter mark! How is everyone else doing?

[Alf]

I just passed 1500 today (1510) :D

[vex]

1598

[BreizhManu]

+13 up to 805

[KevinNU7]

1150, expect to be at 1500 by seasons end

[DataKing]

The Screamin' Seamen gained four supporters over the weekend, upping the total number of Swabbies to 1759.

[Celeval]

650 supporters, high on life. Woowoo.

[FrogMan]

got +12 today, now at 1376, expect to play my last home game of the season at around 1570 or about...

FM

[The Afoci]

1297 for the Crawfish. I really need to promote.

[NAIWF]

1220 after the update.

[Havok]

1260.......

[saintjo]

only 606 :(

[Vince]

Just topped 1200 yesterday.

[KevinNU7]

What is the cap for D.V?

[Doug5984]

I just passed 1,400, to 1,405.

[sterlingice]

1583 Hungry Hungry Hippos as of today.

SI

[Nyarlahotep]

1501.

[finkenst]

Supporter Club: 583 members
Supporters: high on life

[DataKing]

I'm thinking the soft cap for Division IV may be 1750. The Swabbies seem to be stuck at that number.

More evidence:

Week 1 we lost our league match - lost 6 supporters
Week 2 we won our league match - gained 4 supporters

[Mr. Wednesday]

BBFC's Rising Waters should be at 976 members now.

[YoSoySean]

I just wanted to boast before all of the people that started later than me :P

Supporter Club: 2016 members

8 signed up this update. Finally hit the 2000 mark a couple of updates ago.

[GoldenEagle]

1,096

[cheetum]

thats awesome. some of you guys are growing really quickly :)

Originally posted by YoSoySean
I just wanted to boast before all of the people that started later than me :P

Supporter Club: 2016 members

8 signed up this update. Finally hit the 2000 mark a couple of updates ago.

you shouldnt boast such things. i hit the 2K mark several weeks ago and guess which of us has been playing longer. ;P


Originally posted by DataKing
I'm thinking the soft cap for Division IV may be 1750. The Swabbies seem to be stuck at that number.

More evidence:

Week 1 we lost our league match - lost 6 supporters
Week 2 we won our league match - gained 4 supporters

Im not sure what you mean by "soft cap." there are a lot of factors that are considered in how many supporters are gained, and the max number you can gain each update is reduced as you supporter club grows, until you reach a point you can only gain 1 supporter max per update. This is the only "cap" i know of, and that "cap" is higher in higher divisions but its not a huge difference.

IV does not cap at 1750 your evidence actually proves otherwise. the max number of supporters you gain per update is a gradual decrease. you gained 4, which doesnt mean that is your max but it does mean you max is at LEAST 4, so you are still quite a ways from the one-per-update cap.

lets say the D4 one-per-update cap is 2500. to get from 2500 to 2600 would then take over 3 seasons. Yet there is a team in D4, Hokoten IV.41 to be exact, who has played only 7 seasons and never been promoted from his division since he started this game, and he has over 2600 supporters (most in D4). In fact, if I am not mistaken he gained 3 or 4 supporters since the last update (he had a 6-0 win at home) based on THIS evidence i would say the cap HAS to be higher then 2500 for D4.

Maybe you mean something else by "soft" cap... if you do im sorry i misunderstood i dont know of any sort of "cap" other then one-supporter-per-update cap. other then that supporter gains drop gradually...

I would be interested to know how many apoc and TP are gaining per update since apoc is now over 3K which must be over or near D2 cap, and TP is about to hit 3K also.

[cheetum]

oh, and btw, teams started with something like 1500 supporters up until the season 15 or 16. figures they had to change it to 500 not long before i started =/ just another andvantage older teams have over younger ones that we can whine about :P

[Icy]

711 and losing them as they are irritated after loosing our 3 first season matches (2 league, 1 cup).

[daedalus]

Originally posted by cheetum
Im not sure what you mean by "soft cap." there are a lot of factors that are considered in how many supporters are gained, and the max number you can gain each update is reduced as you supporter club grows, until you reach a point you can only gain 1 supporter max per update. This is the only "cap" i know of, and that "cap" is higher in higher divisions but its not a huge difference.

IV does not cap at 1750 your evidence actually proves otherwise. the max number of supporters you gain per update is a gradual decrease. you gained 4, which doesnt mean that is your max but it does mean you max is at LEAST 4, so you are still quite a ways from the one-per-update cap.

lets say the D4 one-per-update cap is 2500. to get from 2500 to 2600 would then take over 3 seasons. Yet there is a team in D4, Hokoten IV.41 to be exact, who has played only 7 seasons and never been promoted from his division since he started this game, and he has over 2600 supporters (most in D4). In fact, if I am not mistaken he gained 3 or 4 supporters since the last update (he had a 6-0 win at home) based on THIS evidence i would say the cap HAS to be higher then 2500 for D4.

Maybe you mean something else by "soft" cap... if you do im sorry i misunderstood i dont know of any sort of "cap" other then one-supporter-per-update cap. other then that supporter gains drop gradually...

I would be interested to know how many apoc and TP are gaining per update since apoc is now over 3K which must be over or near D2 cap, and TP is about to hit 3K also.He's referring to the threshold at which your supporters club increase slows down to a trickle and they become incredibly finicky.

I guess the definition of "soft cap" is, for lack of a better word, "soft" (heh) enough that it could mean different things to different folks. To you, it means "when you reach the 1 signup per (good) update". I think to DK (and I'm in that camp), it means "when the supporters stop joining at the standard 11 signups per (good) update rate while it ramps up AND start to becoming bitchy and finicky". By THAT particular definition, if 1 750 isn't it, it's damn close.

TP is either close to or at that same soft cap. He's had to deal with bitchy supporters, at least for the last season or so that we've been yapping on IRC.

[cheetum]

11 is hardly standard. a good friend of was getting 14 regularly in his first season. after a while it dropped to 13. then 12 etc... there is no "standard" amount and there is no cut off point where you drop all-of-a-sudden from some standard amount to a "trickle". If this occurs its because your supporters' attitudes have changed. there doesnt exist any "cap" where you suddenly drop from gaining X number of supporters to X minus 5. your max possible supporters per update will always slow gradually as your supporter club grows... from 11, to 10, to 9, to 8, etc...

if your max is say 10, that doesnt automatically mean all you have to do is win and you will get 10. there are a lot of factors that affect supporter attitudes. How many spokesmen you have is a HUGE one. Winning streaks, losing streaks, beating teams ranked above you or losing games to teams ranked below, home game affect them more then away games, how many goals you score and how many you allow, all these things affect how many supporters are going to sign up. If you dont have several of these factors in your favor you will not reach your max supporter limit for that update. If you limit is say 10, and you are doing OK but not great, you might only get 4 or 5 even after a win. If you are doing really good but suffer a close loss you might still gain as many as 7 or 8.

maybe i can show you examples of my own experience.

It is understood that your supporter club 'limits' extend as you promote to higher divisions. However, I am getting LESS supporters per update average in D. III then i was in D. IV. This is not because of any caps or limits but because of supporter attitude. my team is only preforming OK. In D IV when my team was kicking butt, i was gaining 9 or 10 per update (i had over 1600 supporters). But last season in D. III i rarely gained more then 5. On one update after a successful stretch of 3 or 4 good matches I gained 10, but mostly i would say I averaged not much more then 5.

Last season after 3 wins in a row I gained only 6 supporters on an update. last week i lose my first home league match and i gain 8. why? honestly im a bit suprised myself but one thing i DO know is its because of my supporters' attitude. I've scored 22 goals already this season from 4 games Im sure this has a strong effect. All those goals seems to make them forget that i actually only won the 2 easy ones. My supporter attitude has been high on life since the end of my first league game which i scored 3 goals, but lost. My second league match this sunday was a tie, and i gained 9 supporters. the X factor (other then the fact that i always have 10 spokesmen) I believe is the 17-0 score of my combined cup matches. They dont care that they are bots (or might as well be) the sadistic bastards seem to love watching me rip then to shreds anyway.

I dont know if we are on the same page here, but what im trying to say is that a "cap" like you describe does not exist. Ive studied supporter growth carefully and chatted with several on this, this is one area Im quite certain about. the only one that exists is not really a cap its just the point where your supporter club is so big you can only gain 1 supporter per update no matter how good you do. you will always be able to gain at least one supporter and how big your supporter club has to be before you reach this "cap" differs between divisions. Otherwise your ability to gain new supporters will always be a steady decline as your supporter club grows, and directly relate to your teams performance and supporters attitudes.

I often talk to ppl about how many supporters they gain each week and love to find out not only how many you people gain, but how your team was doing when you gained/lost. StreetWalkers in div II for example are nearing 3K supporters but are still gaining as many as 5 per update (they are doing very well also). I had previously thought the "cap" in D2 was around 3K but it seems to be higher. I would love to know, especially from apoc who is already over 3K, how many he can get per update.

[tucker rocky]

1296, gained 11 after league match

[daedalus]

Never mind, I'm too tired and lazy to try to make an argument out of this. I'll leave the opinions to the experts in the future.

[DataKing]

I agree that the idea of a soft cap is indeed "soft." All I intended to point out is that, since hitting the 1750 mark in Division IV, I've noticed that my supporter club seems to be staying right around that mark, and that the growth rate has dropped significantly. I realize that if a team keeps winning game after game, they'll be able to stretch their supporter club numbers higher. But from what I've seen thus far, a team that "wins some and loses some" will have a hard time getting past 1,750.

We'll see what happens with the supporter club for my team this season, as we're likely to be a "win some, lose some" team this year.

I'm with daed. I don't have the energy to debate the point any further right now. :D