Oklahoma-K State

[Chubby]

14-7 K St at the moment wow!

[Calis]

Go 'Cats!

Woohoo!

Man, I figured we'd already be getting smoked in this one. The Defense is holding up very well, and we've got a couple of big plays, can they keep it up? Doubtful, but here's to wishing. :D

[Chubby]

K State has made some boneheaded plays too (umm that "punt") and still they lead...

go wildcats, USC will be #1 in the polls and not play for the title :)

[Calis]

Yeah, we've got lucky even with some dumb mistakes...I can't see that holding out though against OU though.

We could be up by 35 and I'd still expect us to lose, I just can't see OU getting beat.

Would love to see it though, be a very happy day to see KSU in a BCS bowl, although we have a pretty poor track record in bowls in general.

[Scarecrow]

Wow another K-State Fan!!!! Thought it was just me and NoMyths.


Some 'listeneing music' (http://www.hogscentral.com/FightSongs/images/Big12/KSU/Kansas_State__Wabash_Cannonball.mp3)


:D :D :D

[sterlingice]

From a student at the Tangerine Bowl bound Kansas Jayhawks, go OU! :D We take our victories where we can get them and the Tagnerine bowl is a victory for us.

Anyways, does it look like K-State just wants this game more than OU. OU seems a bit disinterested.

SI

[Chubby]

PICKED IN THE ENDZONE!

and white is hurt too

go k state

[Calis]

Wow! There are other Kansas State fans on this board?

Sheesh, I thought I was completely alone here, good to see some others have seen the light!

We dodged another bullet there, and White looks hurt...this is going to be interesting.

[davidlando1]

What happens to the BCS if Oklahoma loses?? Who beat KSU earlier this year? Will that then affect OU as it might affect USC? (Syracuse vs. Notre Dame) to quote Vince Lombardi "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OUT HERE??"

[Chubby]

i'm not really a k state fan but i'm a fan of the BCS getting blown up which 3 one loss teams won't hurt. especially when the #1 in both polls (if OU loses) won't even be in the title game.

TD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21-7

[VPI97]

21-7 LOL

[Calis]

I'm in tears over here!

OU, meet Darren Sproles...Darren Sproles, this is OU's Defense.

[sterlingice]

Wow! I've seen Sproles in a few games this year and this is really his best looking game. It's like he knew everyone would be watching and wanted to help out his NFL stock so he picked it up a step.

SI

[davidlando1]

ah! i've figured it out on my trusty mac....if OU loses, then Navy plays Michigan State in the Sugar Bowl..thank god that's over, i was getting confused for a second... ;)

[General Mike]

Go Cats! Go Sproles!

[cthomer5000]

Texas is probably pretty pissed off right now...

[sterlingice]

Wow- didn't Stoops just sound like "If we hadn't given up those boneheaded plays on defense, we'd still be toying with them right now"?

SI

[Calis]

No kidding, sucks for Texas to go out like this if it holds up..

That being said, I'm not too worried about them. :D

Man, I just can't believe this...a team that is known for not being able to hang with big teams is right now sticking it to a team considered one of the best for years.

I still ain't holding my breath, I have little faith in my 'Cats.

[Chubby]

HOLY CRAP!

Some guy just threw a 30 yd pass throw a Dr Pepper can to win $400,000 during halftime of the CBS game!

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Chubby
HOLY CRAP!

Some guy just threw a 30 yd pass throw a Dr Pepper can to win $400,000 during halftime of the CBS game!

Slower... and in English ;)

SI

[VPI97]

Originally posted by Calis
Man, I just can't believe this...a team that is known for not being able to hang with big teams is right now sticking it to a team considered one of the best for years.

I still ain't holding my breath, I have little faith in my 'Cats. You sound like me talking about my Hokies. Our season may not have lived up to lofty pre-season expectations...but we were able to take down big, bad Miami in a year we really shouldn't have. Anything is possible in college football.

[Ksyrup]

That guy made Cris Carter's Thank You Jesus speeches sound tame.

[Schmidty]

Originally posted by Chubby
HOLY CRAP!

Some guy just threw a 30 yd pass throw a Dr Pepper can to win $400,000 during halftime of the CBS game!

Predictable Christian bashing coming in 3....2....1......

Edit: Just as I suspected.

[Chubby]

WTF

the same promotion is happening during the halftime of the k st - OU game

[Balldog]

Holy shiot I just got home from the MSU-OU bball game, this is awesome!

[Ksyrup]

I guess Jesus wasn't on the other guy's side.

Bashing? No. I'm a Christian. I just wonder if that guy blames Jesus when bad things happen to him.

[Ksyrup]

Actually, I think all this means is that Jesus watches CBS, not ABC, on Saturday nights. Or maybe he's an SEC fan.

[Chubby]

I would love to see some follow up to see if he really donates any money to those charities he was going on about.

[Schmidty]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
I guess Jesus wasn't on the other guy's side.

Bashing? No. I'm a Christian. I just wonder if that guy blames Jesus when bad things happen to him.

Wow!!! I've never heard that one before!!!

[Chubby]

Originally posted by Schmidty
Wow!!! I've never heard that one before!!!

Really? I'm surprised!

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by Chubby
I would love to see some follow up to see if he really donates any money to those charities he was going on about.

He seemed sincere. I'm sure he will.

I don't want to get into a religion debate, but IMO, religion is a personal thing, and I find it distasteful when people publicize their relationship with God. I don't want to know why your God is so great for you. That's one of the things about Christianity that I've always been uncomfortable with. I've had numerous discussions with The Big Guy about this very issue in the process of sorting out my religious beliefs. He knows where I stand on the issue, and I haven't seen the inside of lightning bolt yet.

[vex]

Dicarloooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Calis]

Woohoo! OU missed another FG.

It might just happen! OU just looks very blech right now.

If K-State could pull off another big play here, then I could finally start believing. ;)

[Calis]

Man, maybe Sproles will get some national recognition now. Never seem to hear anything on him.

Kid is tearing up Oklahoma's Defense right now.

[VPI97]

Boomer Sooner


hee hee

[Chubby]

TOUCHDOWN!!!!

[The_herd]

Game over??????

[Philliesfan980]

hmm. They are #15 now, but does that mean they are #15 in the BCS? If they end up winning this game , in a decisive manner, they should get a BCS game.

[Calis]

WOOOHOOO!!!!

Oh man, I know A LOT of OU fans who will be hearing from me at work come Monday. :D

I just can't believe how well KSU is running against OU. This is unbelievable.

[VPI97]

Originally posted by Philliesfan980
hmm. They are #15 now, but does that mean they are #15 in the BCS? If they end up winning this game , in a decisive manner, they should get a BCS game. They'll be conference champs...auto-BCS

[Philliesfan980]

Originally posted by The_herd
Game over??????

Nah, not even close. Still a whole quarter and Oklahoma can put up some points quickly. But nonetheless its a good sign.

[sterlingice]

No way I'm listening to 810 on Monday now. Kietzman is going to be unsufferable even if the 'Cats meltdown and somehow find a way to lose.

SI

[The_herd]

The winner gets a BCS bid regardless.

[Calis]

They get a BCS game no matter what if they win this one.

[Scarecrow]

They will get an automatic birth b/c they'll be the BIG XII CHAMPS!!!

[Scarecrow]

I do have a serious question, though....

If Sproles is the NCAA leader in rushing and all-pourpose yards, why isn't he being considered for the Heisman?

[Calis]

he plays for Kansas State...

[Philliesfan980]

Thanks guys, I'm a little out of date with all of this BCS stuff.

[Scarecrow]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Texas is probably pretty pissed off right now...

2 words - Horns Maniac :D

[Ksyrup]

I hope this doesn't mean FSU will have to play OU. Even with their performance tonight, they've been the class of college football this year, and I fear a blowout. I'd much rather take on Mack Brown, since he was so successful with those "dominating" NC teams against FSU.

[Calis]

From what I had heard, I would think K-State would play Florida State, but I really have no clue how it'll work out.

[Noop]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
I hope this doesn't mean FSU will have to play OU. Even with their performance tonight, they've been the class of college football this year, and I fear a blowout. I'd much rather take on Mack Brown, since he was so successful with those "dominating" NC teams against FSU.

Yep I fear we would get out coached by OU, Michigan, Miami, or whoever we play besides Texas which doesnt look like they're going to get in.


:)

noop

[sachmo71]

Down with OU!

[Ksyrup]

Personally, I also fear a matchup with Michigan, since I was born in Detroit and would probably have to root for UM in that game. I remember the last time they played FSU, around 91 or 92. I think FSU put up 50+ points on them. I don't see that happening this time around...

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
I hope this doesn't mean FSU will have to play OU. Even with their performance tonight, they've been the class of college football this year, and I fear a blowout. I'd much rather take on Mack Brown, since he was so successful with those "dominating" NC teams against FSU.

I'm pretty sure they will still be in the Sugar Bowl against either LSU or USC and that's why they've looked so lackluster today. This game is basically worthless to OU. However, by losing, all those "best teams of all time" comparasions have gone down the tubes. Shame because this team looked a lot better than the one that won it all and went undefeated a couple of years ago.

SI

[VPI97]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Philliesfan980]

its all over

[Chubby]

GAME OVER :) pick for TD K State

[cthomer5000]

title hopes up in smoke

[Calis]

This could end up being one of the happiest days of my life...oh it's a good feeling.

[Philliesfan980]

Does this really screw Oklahoma?

[sachmo71]

WHOOO!!! That's a nail in the coffin! :)

Ahhhh...I love college football!

[The_herd]

Over yet????

[sterlingice]

So, did anyone win any money on this game?

SI

[VPI97]

Originally posted by sterlingice
I'm pretty sure they will still be in the Sugar Bowl against either LSU or USC and that's why they've looked so lackluster today. This game is basically worthless to OU. That would be so wrong. OU gets in because they were #1 all year? At least LSU & USC didn't get their asses handed to them by anyone.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by sterlingice
I'm pretty sure they will still be in the Sugar Bowl against either LSU or USC and that's why they've looked so lackluster today. This game is basically worthless to OU. However, by losing, all those "best teams of all time" comparasions have gone down the tubes. Shame because this team looked a lot better than the one that won it all and went undefeated a couple of years ago.

SI

Yeah, the Mark Richt Bowl - the one where he decided to ditch FSU during preparations for the championship to take the GA job - but still kept his old job and didn't do jack squat.

I don't see how OU can be ranked higher than 3rd after this game. LSU and USC won, they should move up. Now, if that happens, shouldn't that be enough to knock OU out of the big game?

[RendeR]

I doubt this really hurts Oklahoma's shot at the title, but what it will do is give a HUGE boost of confidence to the team they face and be a huge letdown for a sooner team that looked unbeatable until today.


Sucks to be a sooner fan tonight, GLAD I"M NOT ONE!!!

Go K-State, " Run it UP! Leave no doubt!!"

[Philliesfan980]

Can someone please break down the potential BCS matchup's for all of this please.

[Calis]

Hmm, man this is going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

I still don't get how OU drops out of the Sugar Bowl..they have a huge lead in the BCS polls right? And the most they'd drop is 3rd in the polls, which I don't think they should, but that's another story.

So how does this work?

[The_herd]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
Now, if that happens, shouldn't that be enough to knock OU out of the big game?

Its all going to be up to the computers. God only knows what the New York Times computer will spit out this week....

[Noop]

I dont know if TroyF is reading but I believe I said OU would be alittle big headed going into the National Championship guess I was wrong they were big headed going into the Conference Championship.

:)

noop

[Craptacular]

The computers and SOS will probably keep OU at least #2.

[Scarecrow]

It will be up to the AP and USA Today polls more than the computers and SOS.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by The_herd
Its all going to be up to the computers. God only knows what the New York Times computer will spit out this week....

That's for damn sure. Sagarin, too, sometimes.

Originally posted by VPI97
That would be so wrong. OU gets in because they were #1 all year? At least LSU & USC didn't get their asses handed to them by anyone.
I'll buy the "didn't get their asses handed to them" argument to a point but please don't tell me they should get bumped down to 3 just because they lost this week instead of 6 weeks ago. That's so backasswards, you'd probably get your own computer poll.

No, they get in because they had the same one loss as everyone else and played the hardest schedule. Not only that but if you want to talk about asskickings, a lot of their wins were more convincing than those other two teams, particularly LSU.

SI

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Philliesfan980
Can someone please break down the potential BCS matchup's for all of this please.

The teams want the lowest points total. Okahoma will GAIN 1 point for the loss
Oklahoma will GAIN points equal to the ranks they drop (I'm guessing they will drop to 3, adding 2 points to their total).
USC should move to #1, losing 1 point for the rank increase
LSU will gain 1 point, moving from 3 to 2 in the rankings

Based off of the things we KNOW right now, the rankings would look like this:

1. Oklahoma 5.06
2. USC 5.90
3. LSU 7.43

what can change that?
Oklahoma falling below #3 in the voters polls
Oklahoma losing their unanimous #1 computer ranking
LSU will also have up to .4 ADDED to their number for knocking Georgia out of the "quality win category."

USC is a lock for the title game, and will probably be #1 going in. LSU really needs OU to drop below 3 in the rankings to have a legit chance.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by Calis
Hmm, man this is going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

I still don't get how OU drops out of the Sugar Bowl..they have a huge lead in the BCS polls right? And the most they'd drop is 3rd in the polls, which I don't think they should, but that's another story.

So how does this work?

They have a huge lead because they are a unanimous #1 in the polls ad have no losses. Obviously, all that changes after tonight. Whether it's enough to knock them below #2 in the combination of polls and computers is anyone's guess. Well, I supposed Kickstand has probably got it figured out, but for the rest of us mere mortals...

[Ksyrup]

All I have to say after watching these pretty lackluster (at least in terms of suspense) games is...

Bring on Boise St. and Hawaii at 11:30 BABY!!!!

[Craptacular]

USC is not a lock. They need OU to be in-between them and LSU in the polls. I think OU is too strong in the computers and SOS. LSU will likely be ahead of USC in 6 or all 7 of the computers.

[sterlingice]

Good analysis, cthomer5000! :D

I will add one thing, tho. A lot of people were saying that LSU jumps past USC in quite a few computer polls because their strength of schedule is now stronger with the Georgia game and with the result of the Syracuse-Notre Dame game.

Really, now it's all a giant crap shoot unless you've got the NY Times, Sagarin, Seattle Times, etc algorithms on your desktop to see how this affects all 3. I doubt Oklahoma keeps #1 in all computer polls, for instance.

SI

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Craptacular
USC is not a lock. They need OU to be in-between them and LSU in the polls. I think OU is too strong in the computers and SOS. LSU will likely be ahead of USC in 6 or all 7 of the computers.

USC is currently beating LSU in 4 of 7 computers, so I don't see how your analysis is correct. USC is a lock.

[Craptacular]

Originally posted by sterlingice

Really, now it's all a giant crap shoot unless you've got the NY Times, Sagarin, Seattle Times, etc algorithms on your desktop to see how this affects all 3. I doubt Oklahoma keeps #1 in all computer polls, for instance.

SI

I have actually spent quite a bit of time researching this stuff. I know at least 1 or 2 of the computer polls factor in WHEN YOU LOSE, much like human voters. If they didn't, I think OU would be strong enough to remain #1 in all of them. They still might, but it's going to be very interesting.

[Chubby]

damn that was a huge hole off the right side of the line

[cthomer5000]

I know this will have no effect on anything, but

In my opinion, teams that are NOT conference champs should not be eligible for the national title.

[Craptacular]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
USC is currently beating LSU in 4 of 7 computers, so I don't see how your analysis is correct. USC is a lock.

LSU is facing a team that is highly ranked and 10-1 in the computers' "eyes", compared to a 7-4 Oregon St team. They WILL gain substantial ground on USC, and pass them in most, if not all, of the rankings.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
I know this will have no effect on anything, but

In my opinion, teams that are NOT conference champs should not be eligible for the national title.

I agree, although every conference that gets an automatic BCS bid should have a championship game in order to make it fair.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Craptacular
LSU is facing a team that is highly ranked and 10-1 in the computers' "eyes", compared to a 7-4 Oregon St team. They WILL gain substantial ground on USC, and pass them in most, if not all, of the rankings.

Alright, I'll give you that. But USC will do no worse than finish 3rd in the computer polls (possibly averaging about 2.5 as they do now), even if LSU jumps them in most CPU's. They have 1.5 points to give to LSU right now, and LSU will lose it's quality win bonus for defeating Georgia (sucks for them).


LSU might make it close, but they will not pass USC. Their only hope appears to be OU plummiting to 4th or worse in the human polls.

[Noop]

Good News!!!

Florida State is still the ONLY team to go wire to wire.

That is all

:)

noop

[Philliesfan980]

God this is turning into a very sloppy drive

[cthomer5000]

I think the human rankings are the biggest question here. This beating OU is taking is really not helping things. I would guess that OU is penciled in at #3 right now, but is there any chance Michigan ends up ranked ahead of OU?

[Craptacular]

FYI on the current computers:

AH: OU .820, LSU .765, USC .757
Bil: OU 341.420, USC 296.665, LSU 288.112
Col: OU .96392, USC .86699, OSU .86010, LSU .85247
Mas: OU 5.047, LSU 4.568, OSU 4.463, USC 4.428
NYT: OU 1.000, Mich .945, USC .945, Texas .933, LSU .925
Sag: OU 97.60, LSU 89.05, USC 88.91
Wol: OU 8.120, USC 6.848, LSU 6.763

From what I've read, Colley is the ranking most likely to keep USC ahead of LSU, but Syracuse's win helps LSU.

[Calis]

237 yards rushing against OU's defense, that ain't bad.

EDIT: oops, was off by 2.

[Craptacular]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Alright, I'll give you that. But USC will do no worse than finish 3rd in the computer polls (possibly averaging about 2.5 as they do now), even if LSU jumps them in most CPU's. They have 1.5 points to give to LSU right now, and LSU will lose it's quality win bonus for defeating Georgia (sucks for them).


LSU might make it close, but they will not pass USC. Their only hope appears to be OU plummiting to 4th or worse in the human polls.

Just look at it from the perspective of total points, not the difference now. Assume USC is #1 in both polls and LSU is #2. 1 point lead for USC.

SOS: LSU will either be ahead by 0.08 (Hawaii wins) or 0.20 (Boise St wins).

Computers: Since we don't know where OU will end up, this is REALLY tough to figure right now. However, if LSU is ahead in all 7, they will be at least 1 point ahead of USC.

QW: Georgia could stay at #10 (ahead of Miami of Ohio) in the BCS rankings before QW points are awarded, so they could still give 0.1 points to LSU.

Depending on the computers, the QW points may not matter when it comes to USC vs. LSU.

[Chubby]

Hopefully teams #2 and #3 are tied in the BCS rankings :)

[Easy Mac]

Since when has Bill Snyder been considered a coaching genious? What has he won before that makes him a coaching genious? I swear, Brent and his boy toy have to be giving eachother bj's in the booth for as much as they orgasm.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Chubby
Hopefully teams #2 and #3 are tied in the BCS rankings :)

how about a three way tie?

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
how about a three way tie?

That would be much more entertaining.

SI

[Philliesfan980]

Why do coaches sometimes have to act like assholes when their interviewed at the end of the game/half? Is it that hard just to answer a few easy questions in a civil manner?

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Philliesfan980
Why do coaches sometimes have to act like assholes when their interviewed at the end of the game/half? Is it that hard just to answer a few easy questions in a civil manner?


That was one of the worst "interviews" I've ever seen. Jim Rome-Jim Everett remains #1. This one was more awkward though.

[Craptacular]

Oh yeah ... sorry Texas.

[Philliesfan980]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
That was one of the worst "interviews" I've ever seen. Jim Rome-Jim Everett remains #1. This one was more awkward though.

I have to agree with you there (That Jim "Chris" Everett was the best). I mean comon, lighten up a little, you just won the Big 12 championship over the #1 team in the country, have some fun.

[Marmel]

Wouldn't it be so nice to see OU/Michigan and LSU/USC and then the winners play for the Title?

[Scarecrow]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
Since when has Bill Snyder been considered a coaching genious? What has he won before that makes him a coaching genious? I swear, Brent and his boy toy have to be giving eachother bj's in the booth for as much as they orgasm.

I'll tell you why he's a genius....

Prior to Bill Snyder came to K-State, their program was a complete joke. I remember sitting at Wagner Field in Manhattan on a cold, freezing rain night and watching the Wildcats lose to division 1-AA Northern Iowa. Sports Illustrated had just had the Wildcats on the cover of their magazine as 'The Worst Program in the History of College Sports.'

Then Bill Snyder came along.

Courtesy: Kansas State University
Release: 07/30/2003
In his 13 seasons in Manhattan, Kansas State Head Coach Bill Snyder has taken the Wildcat football program from the depths of college football to one of the nation's premier programs, making Snyder one of the most respected head coaches in the game

Since Bill Snyder took over the Kansas State football program prior to the 1989 season, he has triggered what many experts have called the greatest turnaround in college football history.


Snyder has led K-State to nine straight bowl games, one of seven schools in the nation to currently have that long a string of postseason appearances. The Wildcats also have been one of college football?s best home teams under Snyder, compiling an impressive 67-8-1 record at KSU Stadium since 1990.


In 2001, Snyder directed one of the best in-season turnarounds in school history. Despite losing four straight in the middle of the year and facing the fourth-toughest schedule in the nation, the Wildcats recovered to win four of their last five games to end the regular season with a 6-5 record and a berth in the Insight.com Bowl.


Despite the record, the quality of the players produced by the Snyder-led coaching staff continued to attract national attention from those who best know the game.


Six Kansas State players were selected in the 2002 NFL Draft, the most of any team in the Big 12 Conference, with only six schools in the country having more players picked in the draft.


The Wildcats started the 2000 season ranked in the Top 10 for just the second time in school history and made a four-week run into the Top 5 that saw K-State climb as high as No. 2 in the nation.


K-State won the Big 12 North Division for the second time in three years and earned at least a share of the title for the third consecutive season. K-State had six players named first team All-Big 12 by the league?s coaches, and PK Jamie Rheem, DT Mario Fatafehi and WR Quincy Morgan earned All-America honors.


The 1999 season saw the Wildcats climb from No. 20 in the preseason poll to finish at No. 6 after starting the season with nine straight victories and win 11 games for the third straight year. K-State tied Nebraska for the Wildcats? second consecutive Big 12 North Division Championship. All this in what many thought would be a rebuilding season. K-State led the conference in first-team all-conference picks with seven players.


In 1998, Snyder led K-State to its second straight 11-win season and a No. 4 ranking in the final regular season polls. In November, K-State occupied a No. 1 ranking in a national poll for the first time in school history. The Wildcats won the Big 12 Conference North Division and advanced to a postseason bowl game for the sixth year in a row. K-State won its first 11 games of the season and ran its winning streak to a school-record 20 games before falling to Texas A&M in the Big 12 Championship game.


Quarterback Michael Bishop became the first Wildcat to be a finalist for the Heisman Trophy, and a total of six K-Staters earned All-America honors.


Snyder earned National Coach of the Year honors from the Walter Camp Foundation, the Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Foundation, the Associated Press, the Paul ?Bear? Bryant Award and the Schutt Sports Group.


Snyder?s unprecedented success at Kansas State hasn?t gone unnoticed. Snyder has been named the National Coach of the Year on three occasions (also by ESPN in 1991 and by CNN in 1994). He has been a finalist for the prestigious Bear Bryant/FWAA National Coach of the Year Award in 1993 and 1995 before winning in 1998; a finalist for the Football News National Coach of the Year Award in 1995 and 1998; and a finalist for the Kodak/AFCA National Coach of the Year Award in 1993 and 1998.


In 1997, Snyder led the Wildcats to their first 11-win season in school history, a No. 7 final ranking and the first 10-win regular season since 1910. It was just the third 10-win season in 102 years of K-State football. Kansas State won a school-record seven conference games, finishing second in the North Division to undefeated and eventual national champion Nebraska.


The Wildcats defeated South Division champion Texas A&M, 36-17. The season ended with a 35-18 win over Big East Conference champion Syracuse in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, with an estimated 50,000 K-State fans attending K-State?s first-ever Alliance Bowl.


The 1996 season saw K-State finish with a 9-3 record, while more than 45,000 Wildcat fans painted Dallas purple for the Southwestern Bell Cotton Bowl, Kansas State?s first-ever New Year?s Day Bowl. Despite a 19-15 loss to No. 5 Brigham Young, the support and respect for the K-State program grew to unprecedented heights.


In 1995, Snyder guided K-State to a 10-2 record, including a 5-2 Big Eight record to tie for second place behind national champion Nebraska. Following a 54-21 blitzing of WAC champion Colorado State in the 1995 Holiday Bowl, the Wildcats finished the season ranked sixth in the USA Today/CNN Coaches Poll and seventh in the Associated Press Poll. Both rankings were the highest ever attained by a Kansas State football team to that point.


In 1993, he joined legendary Nebraska head coach Bob Devaney as the only head coaches in Big Eight history to be named Associated Press Big Eight Coach of the Year three times in a four-year period (1990, 1991 and 1993). The Houston Chronicle named him the 1996 Big 12 Coach of the Year, while he earned 1997 and 1998 Big 12 Coach of the Year honors from the Kansas City Star. Snyder also was the 1998 Big 12 Coach of the Year by the Associated Press and by a vote of league coaches.


During the last eight seasons, the Wildcats have amassed an 87-22-1 record, the second-best overall mark among teams in the Big 12 Conference.


Those numbers alone indicate the emergence of a new power in the Big 12 Conference and with it the recognition that Snyder is truly one of the finest coaches in college football today.


?Bill Snyder isn?t the coach of the year, and he isn?t the coach of the decade,? said former Oklahoma and Dallas Cowboys coach Barry Switzer. ?He?s the coach of the century.?


But to put the significance of that success into proper perspective, one must consider the not-so-distant history of what was the worst football program in the country and the profound impact Snyder has had not only on the football program, but Kansas State University as a whole.


Perhaps former Colorado head coach Bill McCartney said it best.


?I don?t think anybody has approximated what he?s done,? McCartney said in 1994. ?He?s taken a team that didn?t have a good football tradition. Colorado had a good tradition at one time, but what has happened at Kansas State is unprecedented.


?I don?t think anybody in college football can compare to what they?ve done in Manhattan. It looks like the entire university has gotten behind him. They?re hitting on all cylinders in recruiting, academically and in their cohesiveness.?


The list of accomplishments Snyder has amassed in just 13 years is as endless as the time most people thought it would take for the Wildcats to be a consistent threat in the Big Eight, and now, Big 12 Conference.


In 1993, Snyder guided K-State to its first bowl win in school history and, in 1994, the Wildcats cracked the Top 10 for the first time in school history. In 1998, the Wildcats achieved a No. 1 national ranking in one of the major polls for the first time in the program?s history.


In 1995, the Wildcats finished tied for second in the Big Eight and their 5-2 league mark gave K-State two consecutive 5-2 Big Eight seasons. In the last three years of the Big Eight, the Wildcats defeated or tied every team in the league except Nebraska. Against everyone in the Big 12 except Nebraska and Colorado, the Wildcats are 42-4 since 1993. Since the inception of the Big 12 in 1996, K-State trails only Nebraska with a league-games record of 37-11.


While some of those feats would be considered modest at some schools, history tells why they are so impressive at Kansas State.


In the last 12 years, Snyder has resurrected the Wildcats from a 1-36-1 stretch to close the 1980s to a 98-33-1 (.746) mark since.


In fact, one has to add all victories from 1950 to 1988 to total 105 wins at K-State.


Individually, Snyder has produced 37 different All-Americans during the past 13 years, including eight consensus first-team All-Americans: in 1992 (his son, Sean Snyder), 1993 (FS Jaime Mendez), 1995 (CB Chris Canty and DT Tim Colston), 1996 (Canty), 1997 (PK Martin Gramatica), 1998 (PR David Allen) and 1999 (LB Mark Simoneau).


Gramatica was the 1997 Lou Groza Collegiate Place-Kicker Award winner, the first major award winner in Kansas State history. Quarterback Michael Bishop became the first K-State player to be named a finalist for the Heisman Trophy (finishing as runner-up) while winning the Davey O?Brien Award as the nation?s outstanding quarterback.


Hayden Fry, the former Iowa head coach who watched Snyder direct a dangerous Hawkeye offense for 10 years during that program?s amazing turnaround, was the first to forecast K-State?s rise.


?I think he?ll do a job much quicker than anyone anticipates in regards to taking Kansas State to respectability,? Fry said. ?He?s a quality coach and gentleman.?


And yet it?s probable that even Fry looks on in amazement when pondering where the Kansas State football program was before Snyder?s arrival and the level it has ascended to today.


The foundation for K-State?s turnaround was laid in 1989 during Snyder?s first season in Manhattan. Although the season yielded just a 1-10 record, it became evident to everyone involved in the program that something special was happening. Most importantly, Snyder instilled a winning attitude and a healthy dose of self-respect and enthusiasm to a program that had been given up for dead more than once over the years.


In 1990, Kansas State was one of just four teams in the country to improve its record by four games with a 5-6 mark, including its first Big Eight Conference wins in four seasons with victories over Oklahoma State and Iowa State. Snyder again beat those two schools with impressive wins in 1991, while adding Kansas and Missouri to the list of his Big Eight victims to finish at 7-4.


Heavy graduation losses on the offensive side of the ball resulted in a 5-6 mark in 1992, but the Wildcats were still able to hang their hats on their first perfect home season (5-0) since 1934.


Of course, it should come as no surprise that Snyder would be this kind of architect for a building program. At Iowa, he played a key role in the renaissance of a Hawkeye program that went from 17 consecutive losing seasons to eight straight bowl appearances. Snyder was the mind behind Iowa?s potent offensive attack.


The Hawkeye offense ranked first in passing efficiency and third in passing yardage nationally in Snyder?s last five years of direction. In his final Iowa season, the Peach Bowl team led the Big Ten, and ranked seventh nationally, with 277 passing yards per game. That team was second in the Big Ten with 416 yards of offense per game.


Snyder also served as quarterback coach at Iowa and helped develop some of the best quarterbacks in NCAA history, including NFL players Chuck Long (second in Heisman voting with over 10,000 passing yards in Iowa career), Mark Vlasic and Chuck Hartlieb, who wrapped up his career as the first Hawkeye quarterback to throw for 3,000 yards in back-to-back seasons.


Snyder, a member of the American Football Coaches Association Rules Committee and Ethics Committee and a speaker at the 1991 and 1995 NCAA Football Forum, began his full-time coaching career in 1964 as an assistant at Indio High School in California. In 1966 he served as a graduate assistant at USC under John McKay before returning to become head coach at Indio High School in 1967. He accepted the same position at Santa Ana Foothill High School in 1969, where he stayed until 1973. In 1974, Snyder became the offensive coordinator on the football staff and head swimming coach at Austin College in Sherman, Texas. He joined the University of North Texas staff in 1976 where he helped author an impressive turnaround with a three-year record of 26-7. With the Hayden Fry staff, he left UNT in 1979 to take over at Iowa.


Snyder, who was hired as Kansas State?s 32nd head football coach on Nov. 30, 1988, received his B.A. from William Jewell in 1963. He earned his M.A. from Eastern New Mexico in 1965. As a player, he was a three-year letterwinner as a defensive back at William Jewell. Snyder and his wife, Sharon, have two sons (Sean and Ross) and three daughters (Shannon, Meredith and Whitney). They also have four grandchildren, Sydney, Katherine, Tate and Matthew.


Sean was a first-team All-America punter by Associated Press, Kodak and Athlon?s for Kansas State in 1992, and is currently on the Wildcat staff as associate AD/football operations.






Bill Snyder Capsule

Year Overall Big 8/12 Finish Bowl
1989 1-10 0-7 8th
1990 5-6 2-5 6th-t
1991 7-4 4-3 4th
1992 5-6 2-5 6th-t
1993 9-2-1 4-2-1 3rd Copper
1994 9-3 5-2 3rd Aloha
1995 10-2 5-2 2nd-t Holiday
1996 9-3 6-2 3rd-N Cotton
1997 11-1 7-1 2nd-N Fiesta
1998 11-2 8-0 1st-N Alamo
1999 11-1 7-1 1st(t)-N Holiday
2000 11-3 6-2 1st-N Cotton
2001 6-6 3-5 t4th-N Insight.com
Totals 105-49-1 59-37-1 9 straight bowls
(.681) (.613)

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Marmel
Wouldn't it be so nice to see OU/Michigan and LSU/USC and then the winners play for the Title?

no. fuck the push for college playoffs.

[Calis]

Bill Snyder has been a notoriously bad interview from any I've ever seen.

I don't think it's so much he's a prick as the guy is just boring as all hell, and really doesn't like talking to the media. Just seems very shy in that respect.

As for him being a coaching genius, yeah, that's blowing it out of proportion. I do think he's a good coach, and he did turn around a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE program, but you're right, he hasn't won the big ones. The guy definitely deserves respect for what he's done though, it's pretty amazing.

[Marmel]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
no. fuck the push for college playoffs.


sure. Its better just to take a guess at who the best team is rather then let them prove it on the field.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Scarecrow
... I remember sitting at Wagner Field in Manhattan on a cold, freezing rain night and watching the Wildcats lose to division 1-AA Northern Iowa....

(If you remember) Just out of curiousity, was that when Terry Allen was at Northern Iowa?

Originally posted by Marmel
Wouldn't it be so nice to see OU/Michigan and LSU/USC and then the winners play for the Title?

Yeah, but it won't happen.

SI

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally posted by Marmel
sure. Its better just to take a guess at who the best team is rather then let them prove it on the field.

Playoffs don't prove the "best" team is any sport. I'm not saying that playoffs are a bad idea. I'm just arguing the semantics.

[Craptacular]

At least Nick Saban gave a nice interview. He was polite and said they'll live with whatever result the BCS comes up with.

Of course, he was talking to Jill Arrington. ;)

[BishopMVP]

First of all, umm, wow, didn't expect that.

Originally posted by sterlingice
Not only that but if you want to talk about asskickings, a lot of their wins were more convincing than those other two teams, particularly LSU.

Just to argue here, LSU's wins were more impressive than USC's. :p

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Marmel
sure. Its better just to take a guess at who the best team is rather then let them prove it on the field.

Personally, I think only conference champs should be eligible, but I think they system as-is is the best way to pit the two most deserving teams head-to-head and preserve college football history and tradition.

I'd prefer a re-vamped BCS most of all.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by Philliesfan980
I have to agree with you there (That Jim "Chris" Everett was the best). I mean comon, lighten up a little, you just won the Big 12 championship over the #1 team in the country, have some fun.

You're forgetting Jim Gray's futile attempt to interview multiple Yankees after a playoff game a few years back, in response to his comments about Pete Rose. I can't remember who it was (Leyritz?), but the guy hits a game winning HR in the 9th, the team is celebrating, Jim Gray comes over, and he gets blown off on national TV.

I've never felt sorry for someone I intensely dislike before, but that moment came close.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Marmel
sure. Its better just to take a guess at who the best team is rather then let them prove it on the field.
{sarcasm} That's a real hard sentiment to echo. {/sarcasm}

So now we have people trying to determine which of these is more important: when you lose, who you lose to, who you beat, who you play in the non-conference, and how you win. And all we're going to get is an answer that satisfies no one.

I ask anyone opposed to a playoff: Do you want the regular season to mean something? Isn't that the rallying cry I always hear?

THIS REGULAR SEASON MEANT NOTHING

I'm not even looking for an iron-clad argument, I just want a good argument that you can make that one of these three teams is better than the other. Even better, give me an argument that one is worse than the other three.

You tell me Oklahoma is the worst because they lost late. I can tell you that they had the hardest schedule. You tell me LSU gets left out for their crappy schedule, I tell you they also have the most quality wins. You tell me USC gets left out because they lost to the worst team, I tell you they were playing the best football at the end of the season of the three teams. There is no definitive answer!

So you go back to sitting there, longingly hoping for the good old days to come back (how was that Pac-10, Big 10 Rose Bowl last year, btw). Or, come join those of us on "the dark side" wanting change, a change for the better, where the best teams get to prove they are the best.

SI

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by sterlingice
[BEven better, give me an argument that one is worse than the other three.[/B]

One of these teams is not a conference champion.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
One of these teams is not a conference champion.

That same team still has the best conference record even after losing tonight. That hardly seems fair, especially since USC doesn't even have a conference title game.

SI

[Marmel]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Personally, I think only conference champs should be eligible, but I think they system as-is is the best way to pit the two most deserving teams head-to-head and preserve college football history and tradition.

I'd prefer a re-vamped BCS most of all.


Fair enough. But with the college football balance of power moving to 5 conferences, and only a few teams in each conference really having a claim to being 'the best', I would say the chances of the best two teams being in the same conference has a decent enough chance of actually happening every now and then. In that case, you would want a non-conference champ to be there.


Its not like every other sport in the known universe has it wrong.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by Pumpy Tudors
Playoffs don't prove the "best" team is any sport. I'm not saying that playoffs are a bad idea. I'm just arguing the semantics.

For me - in any sport - it's about surviving the regular season and winning the post-season. It's not about being perfect. That's one of the reasons why I enjoy pro football so much more than college football. There is no rhyme or reason to who beats who. It's about weekly matchups and game planning for your opponent. It's a long season and nearly every team loses at least once. The biggest mistake is attempting to "rank" teams when there is no way to make sense of what they've done in comparison to each other, regardless of the amount of stats you look at, or the amount of computers you use to analyze it.

[sooner333]

It's all about who you played and beat. LSU and OU played better teams and beat them except one time. USC lost to a bad team and didn't beat anyone that good. That's about all I have to say about the regular season meaning something.

Granted, I think if you had a playoff like in lower divisions with HOME games until the finals, then it could work. Any system with more than one neutral site game would not work with me. I guess you could have the other bowl games happening at the same time. The real losers would be the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, Capital One, Cotton that wouldn't have the big names in their bowls. I don't know, I just like the tradition and the regular season meaning something.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by sterlingice
That same team still has the best conference record even after losing tonight. That hardly seems fair, especially since USC doesn't even have a conference title game.

SI

you asked for a concrete reason, there it is. Within the confines of college football as we know it, that is a very compelling argument for why OU is less deserving than LSU or USC.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by sooner333
I just like the tradition and the regular season meaning something.

The regular season does mean something. It means you have to win enough games to get into the playoffs. Are the regular seasons of pro and college basketball, baseball, soccer, and hockey, and the NFL regular season, meaningless? No, they are not. They determine who gets to play for the grand prize.

[sooner333]

Well, in pro basketball you have to be in the top half of the league, same with hockey, the NFL is a bit tougher, and baseball is actually pretty meaningful, but as we've seen two wildcard teams win the past two years you don't need to win your own division (haha, there goes your "must win your conference arguement" for all you guys advocating a playoff). And I'll take your word for it in soccer, because I don't care.

Anyway, the Ivy league is the only one where the regular season matters in hoops, since anyone can go to the conference tournament and win and then go to the big dance. So you're wrong there.

I'm thinking a playoff could happen, especially if you include ALL conference champion winners, that would help the regular season matter. Anyway, I like how a loss to Cal basically could have cost USC at a chance, you need to be perfect to guarantee your way into the big game.

[IMetTrentGreen]

i just want to point out what happens when jason white gets pressured. he goes back to being the same limp-ass, crappy QB he was two years ago

fuck oklahoma. i can't even enjoy their loss

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by sooner333
Anyway, the Ivy league is the only one where the regular season matters in hoops, since anyone can go to the conference tournament and win and then go to the big dance. So you're wrong there.


Hmmm...I was unaware that the only teams to make it to The Big Dance were tournament winners. Unless I missed some programming on ESPN the week before Selection Sunday, I think teams who played well during the regular season but failed to win their conference tournament still get invited to The Big Dance.

Also, you're mixing arguments. I was referring specifically to college football in another post about having to win your conference to play for the championship (given the current setup, I think that should be a requirement, but only if all conferences either do or do not have a champ. game). I was not referring to that point when discussing a possible playoff system. All I said was that you have win enough games to get in, which could be by way of division/conference title or wildcard.

[sooner333]

Yeah, but tell that to the best teams in the lower level conference. The regular season doesn't mean jack to them. I just don't see how anyone (not you KSyrup) can say hey, you need to win your conference to win a national championship and then recognize the Marlins as World Series Champs.

Plus, if this game wasn't a "special game", OU would have won their conference.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by sooner333
Yeah, but tell that to the best teams in the lower level conference. The regular season doesn't mean jack to them. I just don't see how anyone (not you KSyrup) can say hey, you need to win your conference to win a national championship and then recognize the Marlins as World Series Champs.

Come on, now. In college basketball, teams from conferences I never even knew existed make the tournament as the second team from their conference when they are obviously good (22-25 wins) but fail to win their conference tournament. So I don't buy that argument one bit.

And again, on the conference championship pre-requisite, I only think that should be required in college football because there is NOT a playoff system. Since there IS a playoff system in baseball and nearly every other sport I care about, I believe non-division/conference champ can be a valid contender for the league championship, since they make the playoffs under whatever the requirements are for that league. College football insists on doing it another way, so I have to judge the way they do it, and the requirements for winning a college football championship, differently.

[ISiddiqui]

Wouldn't it be so nice to see OU/Michigan and LSU/USC and then the winners play for the Title?

We can only wish. College football needs a playoff and needs it bad. Whichever of the 3 gets left out has a legitimate beef with the system. Hopefully this adds more leverage to kicking out the B(C)S.

[Huckleberry]

Hopefully USC is #1 in the AP poll and plays #4 Michigan in the Rose Bowl and wins.

Then we can have a split national championship in the BCS era.

[SlapBone]

Ok guys... don't ask Scarecrow any more questions about Snyder :)

[the_meanstrosity]

You do realize that was a Bill Snyder coached the KSU team that lost to Northern Iowa right?

As for Snyder being a "coaching genious", that's a bit much. He's a fantastic coach without a doubt. His preparation and practices are phenomenal. The guy gets so much out of so little. He helped turn no name players like Terrance Newman, Darren Sproles, and so many others into viable NFL players. Absolutely amazing work.

But he's known by most knowledgeable KSU fans as just an average game day coach. He has a tendency to stick with the game plan even when it isn't working. And that's cost him some big games. He's just not great at making the necessary adjustments. But you've still got to tip your hat to the guy. He's done an incredible job with the limited talent pool he pulls from.

Sterling Ice,

And yes that was a Terry Allen coached team. I still can't figure out how that clown managed to beat Snyder at KSU. We've all seen the phenomenal work he did at Kansas and Iowa State. Iowa State fans absolutely hate Terry and he's just a TE's coach, lol.

Originally posted by Scarecrow
I'll tell you why he's a genius....

Prior to Bill Snyder came to K-State, their program was a complete joke. I remember sitting at Wagner Field in Manhattan on a cold, freezing rain night and watching the Wildcats lose to division 1-AA Northern Iowa. Sports Illustrated had just had the Wildcats on the cover of their magazine as 'The Worst Program in the History of College Sports.'

Then Bill Snyder came along.

[Huckleberry]

Darren Sproles was a no-name? Wasn't Sproles the highest rated JUCO RB in the land when he signed with KSU?

[kingfc22]

The way I look at it is OU LOST their conference title game. I don't care if some conferences do or do not have a title game. The fact remains that the Big 12 does and OU lost it. LSU and USC knew what they had to do and did it. They both WON their conferences no matter how weak or how strong one may think they are. With only 6 teams getting auto bids into the BCS there should be 2 getting into the championshp game. There is no way that a "wild-card" entry should be rewarded by being setup in the championship game without going through some kind of playoff system.

One thing is for sure. the BCS is going to have to come up with some BS the next month to explain this mess.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by the_meanstrosity
Sterling Ice,

And yes that was a Terry Allen coached team. I still can't figure out how that clown managed to beat Snyder at KSU. We've all seen the phenomenal work he did at Kansas and Iowa State. Iowa State fans absolutely hate Terry and he's just a TE's coach, lol.

Well, at Northern Iowa, he won quite a bit which is why he got a shot at a Big 12 program. Then again, the knock on him (which apparently is true) is that he couldn't recruit in the big time. Basically, if everyone had closer to equal talent (lower levels of college football) then he could win but he wasn't able to bring in Div I football talent to Kansas.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by kingfc22
The way I look at it is OU LOST their conference title game. I don't care if some conferences do or do not have a title game. The fact remains that the Big 12 does and OU lost it. LSU and USC knew what they had to do and did it. They both WON their conferences no matter how weak or how strong one may think they are. With only 6 teams getting auto bids into the BCS there should be 2 getting into the championshp game. There is no way that a "wild-card" entry should be rewarded by being setup in the championship game without going through some kind of playoff system.

One thing is for sure. the BCS is going to have to come up with some BS the next month to explain this mess.

Actually, right now, they're rigging all the computers to spit out an LSU-USC matchup as we speak.

I still don't understand this conference title argument. Then again, I view the bowl games as the only "playoff" type games where if you lose, you're out. Any other game, including the conference title games, is just another game.

SI

[sooner333]

http://www.geocities.com/rtell/

Looks like #1 OU, #2 LSU, #3 USC.

[TroyF]

One of the most shocking games I've seen.

Being an Oklahoma State fan, if OU was going to lose I wanted it to be right now. Stoopes refuses to play OSU Thanksgiving weekend because he says he wants to get ready for Big12 title tilts. Well, Bob-o, you are 2-0 in Big12 title games when you play on that weekend, a spectacular 0-1 when you don't. There goes that excuse. Schedule the game when it should be played.

As for who should play in the title game. . . I think all three deserve to go. From what I've read and seen, it looks like LSU and OU are going to play for the title and USC has a pretty good chance of being left out even if they end up #1 in all of the polls. (OU still played the strongest schedule, still has the win over Texas and will still be ranked #1 in the computer polls)

IMO, LSU is more deserving of going to the title game over any of the other three. For them to be penalized for beating Georgia twice is insane. Georgia is a top 10 team that just happened to lose two games to a better top 10 team. If LSU had beaten Florida in the SEC championship, there wouldn't be that much drama. . . they'd be going to The Sugar Bowl.

[sooner333]

Troy- I agree with everything you said...yes, even the Thanksgiving thing. The Thanksgiving thing more because I go home for thanksgiving, and I don't go home November 1st (even though I did this year), but whatever, we both have our reasons. That and its stupid the game has to be on Fox Sports Net at Thanksgiving.

I think all three teams are equally deserving. People discredit OU for losing now, but all of these teams lost. I think LSU is most deserving, but like I said, any of the three matchups wouldn't bother me. I just don't think you can throw OU out of the mix just because they lost one game at the end.

[kingfc22]

It's well known that if you lose late in college football, it is much more damaging than a loss early. Even though a loss is a loss. Even more reason for a playoff of some sort.

[korme]

WOW!!

Just got home. I am a fan of Sproles, my boys and I were watching this game and we left for a party, with the score 7-0 Oklahoma! What a night, topped off with K State scoring 35 unanswered.

[Ksyrup]

Strangely enough, I simulated a TCY season this morning in which OU (of all teams) went undefeated (in 2006), yet two 1-loss teams played for the championship. Now, which is realilty and which is a game?

[HornedFrog Purple]

Bill Snyder may suck as a coach but he has been able to do something few coaches in the country have been able to do and that is getting Bob Stoops number. Each game he has played Stoops he has lost by less with the last game losing by one point.

I made a fortune last night. :)

[Calis]

Originally posted by Huckleberry
Darren Sproles was a no-name? Wasn't Sproles the highest rated JUCO RB in the land when he signed with KSU?

Sproles was never a JUCO player, as for him being no-named..I don't know if I'd put it that way, he put up awesome numbers in high school, but got very little in the way of looks from most colleges because of his size. He was definitely underlooked if nothing else. Snyder was all over him from the start, and it panned out pretty well.

[the_meanstrosity]

Huckleberry and Calis,

Sproles was never a JUCO player. As for his numbers at Olathe North, you have to remember that Olathe North's running backs are accustomed to putting up numbers before and after Sproles. The only two D1A programs who looked at Sproles were Kansas and KSU. This was mainly due to his size. For Kansas, he was a plan B recruit if other bigger backs didn't sign. Snyder was the only coach who thought he could play D1A college football at the running back position.

Sterlingice,

There's no doubt that Terry Allen is a poor recruiter. But don't believe that he was a good football coach. I've had friends who were coached under him at Lawrence and they said their high school coaches were better than Terry Allen. And let's never forget the "spread offense" for which he was famous for at Northern Iowa. I shudder to think of that man in charge of another D1A football program.

[Samdari]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Personally, I think only conference champs should be eligible, but I think they system as-is is the best way to pit the two most deserving teams head-to-head and preserve college football history and tradition.

I'd prefer a re-vamped BCS most of all.

OK, here's the problem with that. Who are the two most deserving teams. Right now, we have three teams all roughly equally deserving. Any attempt to pick the most deserving two is nothing more than a guess, despite the qualifications and/or good intentions of the one doing the guessing.

As for preserving the history and tradition of college football, I think they have already sold this in pursuit of the almighty buck. Only one bowl matters anymore, the Rose has not had its traditional matchup in a while. Do you really think that today's bowl system really preserves any of the wonderful tradition of college football? I don't, I think that having a mockery of the bowl system (what is in place now) is more insulting to that tradition than a playoff would be.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by TroyF
IMO, LSU is more deserving of going to the title game over any of the other three. For them to be penalized for beating Georgia twice is insane.

Cry me a river. I'm one of four people in the country who thinks that LSU should be left out in the cold. You want to complain about being penalized in strength of schedule, don't play La-Monroe, Arizona, Western Illinois, and La Tech. Have some balls and actually go try and play a 'Bama, Auburn, UCLA, or Dame outside of conference. Those teams on a down year are better than anyone LSU played on a good year (except 'zona in the mid 90s).

SI

[Huckleberry]

LSU had Marshall and Troy State on the schedule in place of ULM and Western Illinois.

They had to reschedule because their opponents backed out, I believe.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Bill Snyder may suck as a coach but he has been able to do something few coaches in the country have been able to do and that is getting Bob Stoops number.

If going 1-3 against someone is "having their number", I've been underestimating a lot of people.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Originally posted by Vegas Vic
If going 1-3 against someone is "having their number", I've been underestimating a lot of people.

You can take the Sooner shades off for a second.

41-31 in 2000
27-24 in 2000
38-37 in 2001
7-35 in 2003

See a pattern here?

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
You can take the Sooner shades off for a second.

41-31 in 2000
27-24 in 2000
38-37 in 2001
7-35 in 2003

See a pattern here?

3 losses, 1 win. Is that the pattern?

[HornedFrog Purple]

no simply the vaunted OU defense in any year under Stoops has been unable to stop K-State coached by Snyder in any game they have played. When K-State was able to get pressure with 4 downlinemen, this game was over because OU has never been able to stop K-State when they were one-dimensional and as they have improved throwing the ball with Roberson.

It's called a trend.

[HornedFrog Purple]

dola

Since they are fun to play around with anyways here is some more trends that didn't get broken:

No B-12 champion has successfully defended the title

It has switched between the North and South division champs each season.

Whether they have any actual meaning or not, they are still fun to look at.

[the_meanstrosity]

Horned,

You have to remember that Snyder has had some talented football teams before Stoops took over Oklahoma. Stoops took over a squad that was absolutely awful and has out-coached Snyder 3-1 since coming to OU. They weren't by any means a "vaunted defense" when they faced KSU the three previous times. The fact is, Stoops probably had lesser talent, but did more with that talent until this year's matchup.

I absolutely hate the Big 12 title game. I just wish they could find a way for all of the teams to face one another in a season, but that will never happen. How I hate the organized chaos that is college football. I love the game, but hate the politics.

[damnMikeBrown]

This has nothing to do with the BCS, but, having just watched my first Oklahoma game in some 20 year, I thought I'd throw this in.

What the HELL is up with their band?! Do those useless dorks play their little diddy after every effing offensive play? What the hell!? Hey, we got sacked for 8 yards, let's fire up the 'ol fight song! Hey, the down marker switched, let's play the 'ol fight song!? Hey, if I hear that stupid little song again, I'm putting effing super glue on their instruments to torture them as much as they've tortured me!

[JW]

Originally posted by Huckleberry
LSU had Marshall and Troy State on the schedule in place of ULM and Western Illinois.

They had to reschedule because their opponents backed out, I believe.

Almost right. Actually LSU originally had Marshall and Bowling Green on the schedule. Bowling Green backed out early. Marshall backed out late. ULM and W. Ill. were last-minute replacement games. LSU never intended to play those two teams in 2003. Additionally, when Arizona was scheduled, it was assumed Arizona would be a pretty good team. The game was actually scheduled to improve LSU's SOS.

And, let's not forget, in the final BCS rankings, LSU's strength of schedule was better than USC's. LSU played and beat more ranked teams including three ranked teams in the last three consecutive weeks of the season, two on the road. Neither OU nor USC had to do that. LSU's strength of schedule stands on its own merits despite W. Ill. and ULM.

[Craptacular]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
USC is a lock.

Sorry. Had to do it. :D