So, How bad is the new Battlestar Galactica going to be? [Archive]

kcchief19

12-07-2003, 12:37 PM

I saw that SciFi channel special, and yes, it did seem like they were begging people to give it a chance. Seems like they have made so many changes to it that any resemblance to the original will be purely coinicidental. And while I was and am strongly against making Starbuck and Boomer chicks, I am pleased to see they loaded this thing with babes, so that's at least one plus.

Except for the ships. Those are going to be similar, but I think that is purely because they have a Galactica video game coming out and it's going to be easier to sell a game with ships that look like the original.

I got the original series DVD set for my birthday, and even though I was a huge fan when I was a kid, I actually think the shows were better than even I gave them credit for. Granted, the writing was a bit stilted at times and the acting a little wooden in places, but except for some of the crap with Boxey and that frackin' Muffett they put it because ABC wanted to make it a more of a show for kids, it was very good. All TV shows need a year to get their feet under them. Few shows are truly excellent in their first year. I think if the show had a second season it would have really taken off.

I mean, for ground breaking TV, what othe show before BG had a freakin' hooker in the main cast ?!?!?! :)

sachmo71

12-07-2003, 03:05 PM

Sci Fi fans are so dang funny. We clamor for more Sci-Fi shows, but we are so damn picky, word of mouth will often kill a show before it has a chance to establish a flow. It's almost comical when you think about it.

mckerney

12-07-2003, 03:32 PM

It will be so bad that it will be terrible.

finkenst

12-07-2003, 03:33 PM

I mean, for ground breaking TV, what othe show before BG had a freakin' hooker in the main cast ?!?!?!

John Laroquette Show.

Chief Rum

12-07-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by finkenst
John Laroquette Show.

Re=read the part you quoted. (Hint: The John Larroquette Show came out, what, in 1995 or so?)

CR

bbor

12-07-2003, 06:52 PM

Battlestar Galactica is my most favorite movie ever.

I hope this series does well.

oykib

12-07-2003, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by sachmo71
Sci Fi fans are so dang funny. We clamor for more Sci-Fi shows, but we are so damn picky, word of mouth will often kill a show before it has a chance to establish a flow. It's almost comical when you think about it.

That's because we almost always get complete drivel.

I can tell tell you that I heard nary a complaint about Farscape-- at least until Sci-Fi prematurely canceled it.

RendeR

12-07-2003, 10:34 PM

Actually Farscapes eearly reviews were that it stank up the place, had no plotline worth paying attention to and the actors were better off heading to the bread line than their trailers after the first few episodes.

those aren't quotes I paraphrased.

The fact is, BG is going to be different than the original, they actually gave it a PREMISE , imagine that, a reason to be fighting the bads guys besides "we're good, they're not"

Starbuck will be better as a babe, the first one was a dumbass and made pilots look like morons. Richard Hatch, as much as I appreciate his efforts to get the show back on TV, had nothing worth putting on the air. The very idea of bringing ANY of the original cast back onto the show was ludicrous at best. When Lorne Greene died, so did every scrap of acting talent the first series had to show.

I love Sci-Fi shows. I watched every damned episode of BG when it came out. I lived for it. But the cold honest truth is the show sucked ass. Their budgets were slashed, they were put up against shows they couldn't possibly beat. Worst of all, after the pilot 2 hour movie, they had NOTHING, there wasn't enough writing talent to come up with 2 more good episodes let alone a whole season or more. They ruined it before it could breathe a single breath on its own merits.

I'm going to watch this new version, and I am NOT going to compare it to the 1970's farce that its built from. I'm sure I will get what I expect, a good solid sci-fi experience with a storyline I can believe and characters I can learn to care about.

end rant
stop whining about what you think it should be and sit back and suspend reality for awhile.

Ren

RendeR

12-07-2003, 10:37 PM

actually, thinking about the people on this board, I'm wondering how many of you that have actually posted in this thread were even alive then, let alone old enough to watch and comprehend a science fiction tv show.

Bonegavel

12-07-2003, 11:24 PM

Well, I for one was alive at the time and playing with my Evel Knievel Stunt Cycle with the ripcord action and I liked the original BSG, but which pre-teen at the time could have resisted its star wars-like goodness?

We can look back now and say it sucked, but at the time it was all we had. Space 1999 didn't come close.

I too am going to watch it and yes, I understand how to differentiate between the 2 shows. Richard Hatch needs to be slapped upside the head because he is bitter that his material didn't make it on the air. The CGI alone looks to be top-notch, and I am looking forward to see the direction in which they take the story.

Tasan

12-07-2003, 11:51 PM

I was alive and watched it originally, and loved it then. Of course, now that I'm "all growed up" and Sci Fi has been running all the old episodes during the days for the last few months, I now realize how bad the show was. The original is good for a "feel good" laugh, but more than that and I think you're really pushing it for quality. The new mini-series? I don't know. I will watch it though, and give it a chance before just outright dismissing it. Too little sci fi around as it is to not support a big project like this.

kcchief19

12-07-2003, 11:54 PM

Easy, Bucc-RendeR. I don't want you to blow a gasket. :)

I think you're being way too hard on the original series. And the reason BG was cancelled had nothing to do with ratings -- the premiere was and remains today the highest-rated series premiere ever and finished the season 24th, despite being bounced around by ABC and put into the horrible family hour on Sunday nights, which it had no reason to be in.

It had to do with the fact that the show was the most expensive program on television due to the special effects. The show was orginally slated as a miniseries and turned into a full series only when ABC saw how awesome the miniseries was turning out. As a result, Glen Larson and the creative team had no time to produce scripts, and even the special effects were shorted -- we got to see the same ships blowing up over and over.

ABC realized their mistake and tried to bring back the show as Galactica 1980, which was an absolute abortion. And that's surgar coating it.

Because of how much I enjoyed the original series, it's going to be very hard for me to go in blank. I hope I enjoy it, but it is going to have to be very darn good for me to forget the original. But it's happened before with movies and shows, so I won't be surprised.

oykib

12-08-2003, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by RendeR
Actually Farscapes eearly reviews were that it stank up the place, had no plotline worth paying attention to and the actors were better off heading to the bread line than their trailers after the first few episodes.

those aren't quotes I paraphrased.

The fact is, BG is going to be different than the original, they actually gave it a PREMISE , imagine that, a reason to be fighting the bads guys besides "we're good, they're not"

Starbuck will be better as a babe, the first one was a dumbass and made pilots look like morons. Richard Hatch, as much as I appreciate his efforts to get the show back on TV, had nothing worth putting on the air. The very idea of bringing ANY of the original cast back onto the show was ludicrous at best. When Lorne Greene died, so did every scrap of acting talent the first series had to show.

I love Sci-Fi shows. I watched every damned episode of BG when it came out. I lived for it. But the cold honest truth is the show sucked ass. Their budgets were slashed, they were put up against shows they couldn't possibly beat. Worst of all, after the pilot 2 hour movie, they had NOTHING, there wasn't enough writing talent to come up with 2 more good episodes let alone a whole season or more. They ruined it before it could breathe a single breath on its own merits.

I'm going to watch this new version, and I am NOT going to compare it to the 1970's farce that its built from. I'm sure I will get what I expect, a good solid sci-fi experience with a storyline I can believe and characters I can learn to care about.

end rant
stop whining about what you think it should be and sit back and suspend reality for awhile.

Ren

Those reviewers were generally the same morons that say that each new Star Trek series is better than the last and surplants it as the greatest show ever.

Everyone I know who watched Farscape liked it. I'm tired of dealing with all these idotic shows. These execs seem to think that if they have CG and a hot chick that we should all just shut up and watch-- even dreck like Space: Above and Beyond or Lexx.

It's really unfortunate that a large number of sci-fi fans do.

mattwakeman

12-08-2003, 03:49 AM

For sure Farscape rules and it is great that finally they are gonna have a 4 hour mini-series to hopefully tie up the ending. And as to Bottlestir Galactica well no matter how bad it is I can assure that a TV channel here in Britain will buy it!

Chief Rum

12-08-2003, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by RendeR
The fact is, BG is going to be different than the original, they actually gave it a PREMISE , imagine that, a reason to be fighting the bads guys besides "we're good, they're not"

Starbuck will be better as a babe, the first one was a dumbass and made pilots look like morons. Richard Hatch, as much as I appreciate his efforts to get the show back on TV, had nothing worth putting on the air. The very idea of bringing ANY of the original cast back onto the show was ludicrous at best. When Lorne Greene died, so did every scrap of acting talent the first series had to show.

I love Sci-Fi shows. I watched every damned episode of BG when it came out. I lived for it. But the cold honest truth is the show sucked ass. Their budgets were slashed, they were put up against shows they couldn't possibly beat. Worst of all, after the pilot 2 hour movie, they had NOTHING, there wasn't enough writing talent to come up with 2 more good episodes let alone a whole season or more. They ruined it before it could breathe a single breath on its own merits.

I'm going to watch this new version, and I am NOT going to compare it to the 1970's farce that its built from. I'm sure I will get what I expect, a good solid sci-fi experience with a storyline I can believe and characters I can learn to care about.

end rant
stop whining about what you think it should be and sit back and suspend reality for awhile.

Ren

Render, I am not disagreeing with you, so don't take it this way. I honestly don't know if this new miniseries will be a good one. I don't even know if the last one was that bad. I was too young really to pay close attention to it, but I watched every episode in syndication in the early 80s and got a kick out of it.

Now, my idea of quality shows and good stroytelling and good special effects wasn't too developed then, and I haven't watched the old shows much since. All I know is when I was a kid I thought the show was pretty damn cool.

I am working tomorrow night, but chances are SciFi will show the debut again later on, so I hope to catch it on a late night second showing.

Now, the part that might upset you, the only flaw--and a huge flaw it was--that I saw in your post above: if the original was so bad, why is anyone remaking it?

Obviously, there must be something to it, something people took away from it as memorable. I'll bet there's a cult following for the show--there usually is for these sorts of things.

I'm not saying you're wrong that it is a poorly-produced and acted and written show, but they must have done something right, because I don't think even a cable channel aimed at the genre would spend gobs of cash remaking a show that was as much the piece of crap you seem to believe it to be.

CR

HornedFrog Purple

12-08-2003, 06:58 AM

I remember reading some reviews of the Dune series that ripped it to shreds, but I ended up watching it anyways and ended up liking it for the most part.

I will give this one a whirl too. I hope they don't change around the ships much. I liked the cylon base, it looked like a big clam.

sachmo71

12-08-2003, 08:28 AM

Don't believe the hype!

Bonegavel

12-08-2003, 08:31 AM

I agree with the new Dune series HFP. I was never into the books and the Kyle MacLachlan movie made my skin crawl (though, I will watch it to catch glimpses of a youthful Sean Young) but i enjoyed the new mini-series.

As far as FarScape goes, I take constant ribbing from friends when I tell them how good the show is and I think Crichton is one of the best characters in the Sci-Fi genre. It took me a few eposides to really come to grips with the show because it is so different from most stuff out there and if and when the DVD set comes out in one huge volume (with the finale) I will most definitely pick it up.

[edit: actually finished my initial thought in the first paragraph. I was stuck on sean young.]

Bee

12-08-2003, 08:47 AM

I'm looking forward to it myself. I was a fan of the original series and remember spending Sunday nights watching it every week. I agree that towards the end of the series it became pretty bad, but the early episodes were very strong IMO. The mini-series looks pretty decent from the previews. I like more traditional sci-fi shows (I don't care much for things like Lexx, but I enjoyed Space: Above and Beyond despite some of the issues with the show) and this looks like they'll stick to a more traditional sci-fi storyline.

Raven Hawk

12-08-2003, 12:33 PM

I also plan on watching it. I will admit to thinking that it will be god-awful, but Render has convinced me to give it a shot.

I would have watched it regardless, as I have always been a BSG fan. I watched it when I was young and I watch it now. I've got TiVo set to record all episodes of BSG and I watch them when I get a chance.

I disagree, however, and believe that BSG had a premise. It had good plot lines, but fell prey to a bad episode ("Starbuck in white") every now and again. The plot lines, however, sometimes seemed to be killed by mediocre (at best) acting and mediocre (at best) writing. I still love the genre and premises generated by BSG.

I'm afraid that the new show will try to bring the "Pop" aspects of sci-fi into the series. One aspect that frightens me is that in the new BSG they have the Humans creating the Cylons (ala The Matrix) and the Cylons turning against them. Also they have the hot humanoid robot (ala Star Trek or T3).

I'm still hesitant, but I will be watching.

RawIsDan

12-08-2003, 12:41 PM

I would have loved to been terminated by the girl in T3. Yowza ! :D

I also watched the original series. Start off good and died off in the end like most tv series do. I mean they never shot any new battlescenes..just cycled out the same ones over and over.

Easy Mac

12-08-2003, 12:46 PM

I don't think you have a chance with the T3 girl... she likes eat off a chag carpet... if you know what I mean.

Kodos

12-08-2003, 12:52 PM

When is this thing on? I will probably check it out, as I enjoyed the series back in the day.

And how could you not like Space 1999? Okay, so I only remember the little ships, but they were pretty cool. I made lots of Lego space ships using a similar blueprint. :)

Bonegavel

12-08-2003, 12:53 PM

As far as the cylons go, I'm not sure how interesting it would have been for them to just be some lizard like alien race or whatnot. I see the whole "we created that which we can't control" thing as a bit more interesting than the standard alien fare. These days, we have aliens up-the-ass and it would just be a been there, done that sort of thing, IMHO.

The original barely spent a centon (:D) on the cylons as a race, and I think that worked because you always were wondering and kept looking for clues. I'm sure they would have lifted that veil given more episodes, but, as it is, you don't know.

Just like trying to debate TPF before its release, we will have to see tonight if they pulled it off for BSG. I think you would be doing yourself an injustice by boycotting it for whatever reason. The CGI appears worthy of a looksee, if nothing else.

Raven Hawk

12-08-2003, 01:07 PM

BG,

That is so true and one reason that I liked the old series. You really don't know what the back history of the cylons is. All you know is that they are stalking the BSG! That is one of the reasons that I've been hoping for something like this to happen. I wanted to know who the cylons were and why they were coming after the humans. Perhaps if the series were permitted to continue, we would have realized that the "lizard like" cylon race was just a myth created by the humans to dodge responsibility.

Anyhow, they're begging me to watch it. I'm begging them not to kill it. I'll do my part and tune in for the mini-series. They'll have to do their part if they want to be successful enough to turn it into a series.

I'm just hoping that they give me at least 1 cylon centurion talking in the classic cylon voice. :)

Bonegavel

12-08-2003, 01:15 PM

One thing on the Low Down that made me laugh was Richard Hatch. What a whiney bitch.

I can't wait until later tonight/tomorrow when those of us that have seen it, weigh in on tonight's eposide. Should be interesting.

Nyarlahotep

12-08-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
As far as the cylons go, I'm not sure how interesting it would have been for them to just be some lizard like alien race or whatnot. I see the whole "we created that which we can't control" thing as a bit more interesting than the standard alien fare. These days, we have aliens up-the-ass and it would just be a been there, done that sort of thing, IMHO.

Yeah the whole idea of something of our manufacture rying to wipe us out is really original. I haven't seen it in anything since last month.

Originally posted by Bonegavel
The original barely spent a centon (:D) on the cylons as a race, and I think that worked because you always were wondering and kept looking for clues. I'm sure they would have lifted that veil given more episodes, but, as it is, you don't know.

True, we barely got to explore the gold cylon vs silver cylon dichotomy before the show got dumped. :D

Bonegavel

12-08-2003, 01:32 PM

NylonHoseStep,

At least it is different for the series itself.

Nyarlahotep

12-08-2003, 01:41 PM

Why don't you tell us how revolutionary the idea of robots that have arms that fold back to expose guns is. You know, for the seires itself.

Leonidas

12-08-2003, 01:42 PM

Space 1999 had the coolest theme song. It was right up there with Hawaii 5-0 and the Munsters. And who'd have thunk at the time Martin Landau would one day wind up with an Academy Award?

Nyarlahotep

12-08-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Leonidas
Space 1999 had the coolest theme song. It was right up there with Hawaii 5-0 and the Munsters. And who'd have thunk at the time Martin Landau would one day wind up with an Academy Award?

A friend of mine got the box set when it came out (last year?), and man that show was awful. I am slowly learning to not watch shows I liked as a kid so I can keep my fond memories.

HornedFrog Purple

12-08-2003, 01:47 PM

I just want to know what happened to the cylon king with the big afro, and what he and Baltar(?) do on that throne all day. And also the conehead cylon with the xmas tree lights. That guy should have been fired about 733 times.

Taur

12-08-2003, 01:49 PM

After reading the reviews and listening to all the rumors, I was very disapointed.

It looks like the Sci-Fi channel is putting out a show with no original thought and geared toward the 13 year old horny boy. Like I said in the my original post "a blonde stacked cyborg with a number for a name, how original."

You may not believe this but it is possible to make a good Sci-Fi show based around a plot instead of having a mindless show involving oversexed woman with implants jumping in and out of bed. Leave that stuff for late night Cinemax.

See Babylon 5 for a true Sci-Fi show with an actual story.

btw---I loved to original show. Although it should only be judged against other shows from it's generation. TV was a little different back then.

Nyarlahotep

12-08-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
I just want to know what happened to the cylon king with the big afro, and what he and Baltar(?) do on that throne all day. And also the conehead cylon with the xmas tree lights. That guy should have been fired about 733 times.

They used to sit on each other's lap and dream about capturing Moffet and a case of Jiff.

Leonidas

12-08-2003, 01:59 PM

Do I get a hell-yeah for Buck Rodgers out there? All I remember was the show had lots of hot babes in skimpy outfits. I suspect that's another that I would think really sucked if I went back to watch it now. But they knew how to do it right with the T&A (as they called it back then).

Bonegavel

12-08-2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Why don't you tell us how revolutionary the idea of robots that have arms that fold back to expose guns is. You know, for the seires itself.

Nice, i have to give you that one.

Raven Hawk

12-08-2003, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
At least it is different for the series itself.

Coming to NBC this Spring!

The Matrix - The Series

Drop your jaws in wonderment as a Keanu Reeves look-a-like assists in destroying an awesome movie that never should have had a sequel in the first place.

Declared the best series based off a movie since Planet of the Apes - The Series by Nobod E. Particular, of the Daily News.

We'll even throw in an oversexed hot cyborg who jumps in and out of bed with Neo!

Must See TV!

Raven Hawk

12-08-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
They used to sit on each other's lap and dream about capturing Moffet and a case of Jiff.

Welcome to Battlestar Afoci . . .

Leonidas

12-08-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Raven Hawk
Coming to NBC this Spring!

The Matrix - The Series

Drop your jaws in wonderment as a Keanu Reeves look-a-like assists in destroying an awesome movie that never should have had a sequel in the first place.

Declared the best series based off a movie since Planet of the Apes - The Series by Nobod E. Particular, of the Daily News.

We'll even throw in an oversexed hot cyborg who jumps in and out of bed with Neo!

Must See TV!

I'm waiting for a Hollywood genius to come up with "Lord of the Rings: The Series".

Bonegavel

12-08-2003, 02:12 PM

I am just hopeful that it will be a good series. I could of had fun mocking all the "changes" etc. but I have to see it first. Then I can mock with Full Unadulterated Cylon Knowledge. Until then, I am giving them the benefit of a doubt.

Raven Hawk

12-08-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Leonidas
I'm waiting for a Hollywood genius to come up with "Lord of the Rings: The Series".

No shit. Here's something that made a ton of money . . .

LET'S EXPLOIT IT!

I'm hoping that the Tolkien family has more respect than that. I think that they do. I could be wrong.

I've got an idea how about . . . "My Big Fat Greek Wedding - The Series" lol

And you do get props for bringing up Buck Rogers. Twinkie is the bomb!

cuervo72

12-08-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Leonidas
Do I get a hell-yeah for Buck Rodgers out there? All I remember was the show had lots of hot babes in skimpy outfits. I suspect that's another that I would think really sucked if I went back to watch it now. But they knew how to do it right with the T&A (as they called it back then).

Ahhh.....Erin Gray......

http://web.media.mit.edu/~ryantxu/mas863/buckle/wilma.jpghttp://www.yourmvp.net/eringray1.jpg

Bonegavel

12-08-2003, 02:30 PM

I still don't know why Buck didn't just tell the Earth to screw off and join Princess Ardala. She had bigger boobs than Col. Wilma Deering.

sachmo71

12-08-2003, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
NylonHoseStep,

LMAO!

I think the Lord of the Ring should be a reality show. We could watch as unsuspecting people put on the One Ring and start slaughtering each other out of jealousy, and then the suvivor get's the ultimate reward...being turned into Golem!

Nyarlahotep

12-08-2003, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by sachmo71
LMAO!

I think the Lord of the Ring should be a reality show. We could watch as unsuspecting people put on the One Ring and start slaughtering each other out of jealousy, and then the suvivor get's the ultimate reward...being turned into Golem!

It takes too long to become a gollum. They would wind up adding a three year old to the cast while we were waiting.

Nyarlahotep

12-08-2003, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
I still don't know why Buck didn't just tell the Earth to screw off and join Princess Ardala. She had bigger boobs than Col. Wilma Deering.

That isn't saying much.

http://www.buck-rogers.com/film_and_series/gallery/images/ardala/ardala03.jpg

sachmo71

12-08-2003, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
That isn't saying much.

http://www.buck-rogers.com/film_and_series/gallery/images/ardala/ardala03.jpg

You know, that was back in the day when boob jobs were few and far between. That's a decent rack...for those days.

Bonegavel

12-08-2003, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by sachmo71
You know, that was back in the day when boob jobs were few and far between. That's a decent rack...for those days.

Exactly. And she wore skimpy Genie-like outfits. Oooh... Barbara Eden circa IDOG....

Taur

12-08-2003, 04:20 PM

I think Eden had some silicone in those color boobs of hers.

Watch the first episodes that were in black&white....definately A cup all the way.(32 A)

Along came color and up went her bra size...Very interesting.

Franklinnoble

12-08-2003, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
Oooh... Barbara Eden circa IDOG....

Why qualify it? I'm sure you'd still do Barbara Eden circa 2003.

sachmo71

12-08-2003, 08:22 PM

Good so far...

:)

ShovelMonkey

12-08-2003, 10:11 PM

Well, I'll be damned. It's actually good...so far. Hopefully the next three don't crap out.

Decent visuals, a compelling (if overused) storyline, solid acting, and so far nothing extraordinarily cheesy. Much different from the original series and yet...familiar.

sachmo71

12-08-2003, 10:16 PM

I agree. The basic story is simple, but it looks like it should flow well. I'm glad I decided to see for myself...

I'm very excited about the future of this show!

Bonegavel

12-08-2003, 10:25 PM

Nice. Two hours well spent.

And, no Franklin, Barbara Eden 2003 is more like "I would only dream of Genie by accident, or in a drunken stupor."

Fonzie

12-08-2003, 10:34 PM

I was also pleasantly surprised. A good start.

Was anybody else a bit surprised at the use of old-school technology (e.g., paper printouts, books, dials, nuclear weapons)? I realize this is in keeping with the old Battlestar Galactica series, but I'm a bit surprised (pleasantly) they chose to honor that aspect of the show.

KWhit

12-08-2003, 10:36 PM

I liked it.

That female cylon was super-hot.

Richards

12-08-2003, 11:26 PM

Very nice, the "grip" factor was there, as I was looking forward to each segment.

This is coming from someone who hasn't seen the original.

HornedFrog Purple

12-09-2003, 08:08 AM

I liked it too, a very nice start.

I liked how the new colonial fighters had the little jets in the front and the cylon jamming weapon was classic. :D

Edit: one thing I wish they would quit doing (they did this with the Dune shows too) is show a snippet of the next segment when its going to commercial. Stop that!

sachmo71

12-09-2003, 08:18 AM

I agree about the grip factor...during the scene where the Colonials found out about the new Cylon jamming weapon, and the flight leader was watching the Cylon ships coming toward him, I kept thinking "Why don't you punch out?!?!?"

Raven Hawk

12-09-2003, 08:21 AM

I have to say that I really enjoyed it. I think that they are doing a good job with it.

My one gripe: They should have just done away with the old character's names and made new characters. They kept referring back to 40 years ago which seemed like it was trying to reference the original series. They had the old cylons, the old cylon station, etc . . . Therefore, the people in the first series MUST have existed in this timeline. Why are we seeing them again? I didn't have a problem with Boomer being a woman, but it will be hard to get over Starbuck being a woman. It would have been a lot easier if they just went with new character names.

Bee

12-09-2003, 08:32 AM

I liked it. Not great, but a solid show worth the time watching it.

sachmo71

12-09-2003, 08:33 AM

Raven Hawk,

I think I like the vague references to the past. I think they may be paying homage to the old series, but I don't think they are going to try and incorporate the story of the first one into the new series.

Bee

12-09-2003, 08:37 AM

Is this going to be a new weekly series or just a mini-series?

Taur

12-09-2003, 08:47 AM

Wow, I really like this episode. The review was completly wrong. The sex scenes were about right and add to the story line. Hey, if you are going to make a sex bot you might as well use it. A lot less cheesy than the current Enterprise.

The only thing that had me scratching my head about the casting was why they replaced all(2) the main black characters? I know it is not UPN, but still 20 years ago BG was very bold to have 2 black lead type characters on the same show. 20 years later there are none.

Flame Eater

12-09-2003, 08:58 AM

They used the "old school" technology becuase the Cylons couldn't jam/disrupt it in the first war. That's why the new fighters and Battle Stars were shut down and destroyed, and the old Vipers and the Galactica still worked under the jamming. (Pretty geeky reply, huh?)

I was in the Coast Guard for 11 years. I loved the old school "naval" feel of the show. The terminology, proceedures, etc were authentic and very well done.

I think the girl Starbuck and Boomer are okay, but I can't decide if Starbuck is incredibly hot or a little scary. Maybe some of both.

I enjoyed Part I and look forward to Part II.

Bonegavel

12-09-2003, 09:05 AM

Imagine the stress of knowing "little elvis" was the cause of death for a few billion people.

Coffee Warlord

12-09-2003, 09:07 AM

Not bad at all. It sure as hell didn't utterly suck, like everyone in the world seemed to expect.

Raven Hawk

12-09-2003, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by sachmo71
Raven Hawk,

I think I like the vague references to the past. I think they may be paying homage to the old series, but I don't think they are going to try and incorporate the story of the first one into the new series.

True. I like the references to the past and I also like the fact that some of the "original model" cylons are still in use. I still think that if they are acknowledging the first, they need to acknowledge the characters as well, instead of re-using them. I would have liked new characters a little more.

sachmo71

12-09-2003, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Raven Hawk
I still think that if they are acknowledging the first, they need to acknowledge the characters as well, instead of re-using them. I would have liked new characters a little more.

I feel ya.

While I watched, I purposely tried to seperate the old show from the new, so maybe that helped me to see the new characters in their own light. For the record, the girl is playing Starbuck like I think he should have been played, not the big cheeseball from the first series.

Raven Hawk

12-09-2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by sachmo71
For the record, the girl is playing Starbuck like I think he should have been played, not the big cheeseball from the first series.

I can't argue with you here. Much better than cheeseball.

RawIsDan

12-09-2003, 09:31 AM

Crap I missed it.

Bonegavel

12-09-2003, 09:32 AM

you can catch it tonight at 7, right before part two.

RawIsDan

12-09-2003, 09:34 AM

Sweet. Thanks for the info BG

don't think you have a chance with the T3 girl... she likes eat off a chag carpet... if you know what I mean.

That doesn't put a dimmer on the dream one bit. :D

cuervo72

12-09-2003, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Easy Mac
I don't think you have a chance with the T3 girl... she likes eat off a chag carpet... if you know what I mean.

Hmm, didn't know that, but looks like she is at least bi.

en2 DOT wikipedia EOT org/wiki/List_of_famous_gay,_lesbian_or_bisexual_people

RendeR

12-09-2003, 10:22 AM

Ok, first let me apologize for ranting earlier on, no-one deserves to bear teh brunt of my bad moods. I just got really annoyed at all the negativism from people who hadn't seen minute one of the new series yet.

To continue: As I said I loved the original, but they did such a bad job writing it that I couldn't wait for the new one to be done "right" so to speak.

That being said, after seeing the first half last night....WOW, holy shit wow. I'm in love. THIS is what the original should have been, but couldn't for so many reasons. Great characters, great acting, a believable and deep thinking style of plotline. This new take on things actually makes you think about how you would feel in their place, its so much more than just eye-candy.

If this doesn't become a full time series I am going to be SO dissapointed. Hell I even like the old witch they got for the presidents role...she rox. I love the shift in the relationship between Apollo and Adama as well, talk about adding some serious backstory!

Just to respond to a couple other comments. Having the cylons be humanities mistake is far and away more compelling than them just being another lame "alien" race.

The sex scenes (which richard hatch whined so pathetically about on "cold pizza") were done perfectly. Enough to entertain but not so much as to be taudry. I'm thrilled with the character #6, because she shows the curiosity of the cylons towards their creators. The scene with the baby showed how much she wanted to understand them, and even some possible confusion or remorse when she killed it. Exceelent work there.

Starbuck I think will be fleshed out a bit more in the second half, they barely touched on her character and yes, right now she's a little freaky.

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Edited because I'm dumb and need to read more carefully-
This next comment was actually part of a retort of taur's comments about the sex scenes on page one of the thread, I screwed up because I thought he had made those comments after seeing the movie which it appears in fact he ahd not (sorry dude!) but I want to leave this next part here because I think its a valid statement of why the sex scenes fit where they are and were done so well, maybe Richard hatch can read this and STFU for awhile =)
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Fiction is an entertaining lie, and the best lies contain partial truths. The truth is that we are a society in which sex is an integral part. Sex has made more people do dispicable things than any other cause. baltar's weakness in this category, to me at least, brings this story some serious integrity. Try not focusing on 1 scene in the movie and making a judgement on that alone, Don't let 2 minutes in 2 hours taint an amazing story for you.

Ren

cuervo72

12-09-2003, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by RendeR
The scene with the baby showed how much she wanted to understand them, and even some possible confusion or remorse when she killed it. Exceelent work there.

Man, why do they have to go and kill a baby? I don't even want to think about that.

RendeR

12-09-2003, 10:58 AM

Yes its a very negative and morose idea, but in the context of the story its a very forceful way of showing the internal thought processes of the cylons as a whole. Like humanity they are desperate in some ways to understand their creator and answer the age old question "Why are we here?"

Bonegavel

12-09-2003, 11:52 AM

well, was it as bad when the killed the billions of colonists with nukes? I'm sure there were some babies in there somewhere.

To me, one of the biggest reasons this version works is the lack of campiness and lightheartedness of the 70s version. It would have been impossible to show this sort of wholesale slaughter in ~1979, but it really works to put it in perspective. (they hinted at the holocaust in the original, but this is a bit more visceral)

Ksyrup

12-09-2003, 12:01 PM

I'm not a fan of sci-fi and all I can remember of the original is how ridiculously campy it looked (like an upscale Land of the Lost). But, based on the couple of previews I read, it sounds like the equivalent of taking Welcome Back Kotter and turning it into Boston Public.

cuervo72

12-09-2003, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel

To me, one of the biggest reasons this version works is the lack of campiness and lightheartedness of the 70s version.

Television needs more lighthearted campiness.

Bonegavel

12-09-2003, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by cuervo72
Television needs more lighthearted campiness.

You can leave that to your "Golden Girls" reruns.

kserra

12-09-2003, 12:42 PM

I feel the need to add my two cents here, being a complete scifi junky...

My wife and I watched it last night...I know I love my lady because she has developed a love for "Next Generation", Lord of the Rings, Taken, Stargate SG-1, and The Gunslinger Books by S. King, and many other weak but enjoyable scifi shows...and she's actually good looking...I married up and have now brainwashed her!!!

Decent show...I'll keep watching. Certainly not an "Enterprise" type abortion....

A few things that I can't help but bitch about:

--Seriously, I'm a high school teacher, I'm not brillant, but why could I predict the dialouge at certain points?

--I'm a little tired of the 20-something angst against my father crap...you're a man now...SHUT UP...it was HIS SON...

--If I want "hot" sex scenes, I'll go to the Internet or give my wife an extra glass of wine...or two...as my wife said, "what kind of dorks watch scifi to wack off too?" I love my wife...

--What I love about the Next Generation is that they allowed us to get to know the characters over time...we weren't presented with 5 or 10 different plot lines in one show...Let's see...

1)there's the angst of the kid (already pisses me off...whinning little bitch),

2)the strong yet fragile and dying new President...the clear battle of wills between her and the commander...

3)anyone want to predict when they first hook up?...

4)the sassy but loveable new Starbuck who has a problem with authority but is a damn fine pilot (Hans Solo anyone)...

5)the asian chick who will have to deal with her own angst over leaving her co-pilot behind (her weakness reminds me of the Enterprise translator, Yoshi)...

6)the angst of the scientist who was doin' the robot...

7)over/under on when Starbuck and the whining guy hook up? Not to mention the angst that will create for both characters...

8)the conflict between the chief mechanic and the #2..."I only needed 40 more seconds.........." He should have been slapped and sent out the air lock with the other 80 or so crewmates...all the while being told..."the good of the many outweight the good of the few...bitch"

9)the age issue...are the commander and #2 still up to the task at hand, or are they relics of a forgotten time...hmmm...wonder what the answer to that one will be...

i know that isn't even all...again, i'll keep watching, but i feel like the writers of this show aren't serious scifi fans...these are tired and old bits that have been played out before...

I'm looking for more storylines...give us some history...talk about the machines and their rise to consciousness...i think scifi fans like the genre because it is a plausible future that discusses where we are headed with society and some of the problems we may face...i'm sorry, but I just don't want half a show devoted to a woman's struggle with breast cancer while maintaining her grasp on power...

give me something fresh...

again, i'll keep watching, and i'll give this show a lot of patience...hell, I'm still trying to watch Enterprise even as that show continues to lose focus of what made TNG great...

and yes, I am a HUGE scifi geek and so is my wife...she gave the show a 6/10...i'd give it a 7/10 so far...we shall see...

Kevin

cuervo72

12-09-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
You can leave that to your "Golden Girls" reruns.

I had the Love Boat and Fantasy Island more in mind.

sachmo71

12-09-2003, 01:16 PM

I seem to have lost my cynicism...oh, nevermind. It was stolen.

Ksyrup

12-09-2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
You can leave that to your "Golden Girls" reruns.

That was 80's campiness and lightheartedness. Get it straight!

Bonegavel

12-09-2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Ksyrup
That was 80's campiness and lightheartedness. Get it straight!

cuervo just mentioned that tv needed more and didn't mention it had to be from the 70s. Just for the record, if I see the GG on t.v. (even for a split "oops i surfed over the channel" second) I go into convulsions.

rkmsuf

12-09-2003, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Ksyrup
That was 80's campiness and lightheartedness. Get it straight!

What do you mean? Golden Girls often dealt with hard hitting, contemporary issues.

Don't you remember the one where Bee Arthur came down with Herpes after some unprotected sex with Robert Picardo?

Bee

12-09-2003, 01:31 PM

It's Bea Arthur...watch the spelling, I don't appreciate any association with her. :D

Ksyrup

12-09-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by rkmsuf
What do you mean? Golden Girls often dealt with hard hitting, contemporary issues.

Don't you remember the one where Bee Arthur came down with Herpes after some unprotected sex with Robert Picardo?

"Sandra Bernhardt, ladies and gentlemen...What the f**k was THAT? I wouldn't f**k Sandra Bernhardt's p***y with Bea Arthur's d**k!"

the_meanstrosity

12-09-2003, 02:17 PM

Well put kserra. You essentially wrote down my troubles with the show. They would have been better off doing an annual Farscape mini-series or just keeping Farscape on IMHO.

Bonegavel

12-09-2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by kserra
I feel the need to add my two cents here, being a complete scifi junky...

My wife and I watched it last night...I know I love my lady because she has developed a love for "Next Generation", Lord of the Rings, Taken, Stargate SG-1, and The Gunslinger Books by S. King, and many other weak but enjoyable scifi shows...and she's actually good looking...I married up and have now brainwashed her!!!

Decent show...I'll keep watching. Certainly not an "Enterprise" type abortion....

A few things that I can't help but bitch about:

--Seriously, I'm a high school teacher, I'm not brillant, but why could I predict the dialouge at certain points?

Would you rather they broke into Swaheli to keep things interesting?

--I'm a little tired of the 20-something angst against my father crap...you're a man now...SHUT UP...it was HIS SON...

What is wrong with a brother thinking his dad did the wrong thing with his brother? If anything, that brings up an interesting point about his relationship with Zack. Were they close?

The respect and admiration of Richard Hatch to Lorne was sickening.

--If I want "hot" sex scenes, I'll go to the Internet or give my wife an extra glass of wine...or two...as my wife said, "what kind of dorks watch scifi to wack off too?" I love my wife...

I've seen hotter sex scenes in the Golden Girls. I could have done without the initial smooch with the young man made to look like an old guy in the beginning, but overall I think the scenes with Gaius gave you a bit of "why" he betrayed the human race. (i'm sure just not any woman would have gotten access to the defense computers)

--What I love about the Next Generation is that they allowed us to get to know the characters over time...we weren't presented with 5 or 10 different plot lines in one show...Let's see...

With only 4 hours to get it done, I don't think they can be blamed for that. Don't get me started on why TNG wasn't the greatest show of all time.

1)there's the angst of the kid (already pisses me off...whinning little bitch),

2)the strong yet fragile and dying new President...the clear battle of wills between her and the commander...

That was obvious from 1,000 feet.

3)anyone want to predict when they first hook up?...

4)the sassy but loveable new Starbuck who has a problem with authority but is a damn fine pilot (Hans Solo anyone)...

loveable?

5)the asian chick who will have to deal with her own angst over leaving her co-pilot behind (her weakness reminds me of the Enterprise translator, Yoshi)...

I don't know of many that would have been "unangsted" about leaving behind a fellow crew member.

6)the angst of the scientist who was doin' the robot...

He just signed the death warrants for most of humanity.

7)over/under on when Starbuck and the whining guy hook up? Not to mention the angst that will create for both characters...

8)the conflict between the chief mechanic and the #2..."I only needed 40 more seconds.........." He should have been slapped and sent out the air lock with the other 80 or so crewmates...all the while being told..."the good of the many outweight the good of the few...bitch"

I think this just showed the fact that the peace-time life they have been used to translated into a lack of discipline.

9)the age issue...are the commander and #2 still up to the task at hand, or are they relics of a forgotten time...hmmm...wonder what the answer to that one will be...

i know that isn't even all...again, i'll keep watching, but i feel like the writers of this show aren't serious scifi fans...these are tired and old bits that have been played out before...

There is nothing wrong with that. Most of what you watch today is nothing but rehashed history. As long as they do it in an entertaining way, there is nothing wrong with it.

I'm looking for more storylines...give us some history...talk about the machines and their rise to consciousness...i think scifi fans like the genre because it is a plausible future that discusses where we are headed with society and some of the problems we may face...i'm sorry, but I just don't want half a show devoted to a woman's struggle with breast cancer while maintaining her grasp on power...

But, the main point of the original (this is basically a "new" look at the same story) was the cylon attacks and the BSG towing a rag-tag fugitive fleet to find a new home. This is basically the first show of that series.

give me something fresh...

Would have been nice.

again, i'll keep watching, and i'll give this show a lot of patience...hell, I'm still trying to watch Enterprise even as that show continues to lose focus of what made TNG great...

and yes, I am a HUGE scifi geek and so is my wife...she gave the show a 6/10...i'd give it a 7/10 so far...we shall see...

Kevin

I do agree that there isn't much new here, but I think this version is interesting enough.

What would you have done different with the characters/situations?

Nyarlahotep

12-09-2003, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by RendeR
Ok, first let me apologize for ranting earlier on, no-one deserves to bear teh brunt of my bad moods. I just got really annoyed at all the negativism from people who hadn't seen minute one of the new series yet.

To continue: As I said I loved the original, but they did such a bad job writing it that I couldn't wait for the new one to be done "right" so to speak.

That being said, after seeing the first half last night....WOW, holy shit wow. I'm in love. THIS is what the original should have been, but couldn't for so many reasons. Great characters, great acting, a believable and deep thinking style of plotline. This new take on things actually makes you think about how you would feel in their place, its so much more than just eye-candy.

If this doesn't become a full time series I am going to be SO dissapointed. Hell I even like the old witch they got for the presidents role...she rox. I love the shift in the relationship between Apollo and Adama as well, talk about adding some serious backstory!

Just to respond to a couple other comments. Having the cylons be humanities mistake is far and away more compelling than them just being another lame "alien" race.

The sex scenes (which richard hatch whined so pathetically about on "cold pizza") were done perfectly. Enough to entertain but not so much as to be taudry. I'm thrilled with the character #6, because she shows the curiosity of the cylons towards their creators. The scene with the baby showed how much she wanted to understand them, and even some possible confusion or remorse when she killed it. Exceelent work there.

Starbuck I think will be fleshed out a bit more in the second half, they barely touched on her character and yes, right now she's a little freaky.

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Edited because I'm dumb and need to read more carefully-
This next comment was actually part of a retort of taur's comments about the sex scenes on page one of the thread, I screwed up because I thought he had made those comments after seeing the movie which it appears in fact he ahd not (sorry dude!) but I want to leave this next part here because I think its a valid statement of why the sex scenes fit where they are and were done so well, maybe Richard hatch can read this and STFU for awhile =)
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Fiction is an entertaining lie, and the best lies contain partial truths. The truth is that we are a society in which sex is an integral part. Sex has made more people do dispicable things than any other cause. baltar's weakness in this category, to me at least, brings this story some serious integrity. Try not focusing on 1 scene in the movie and making a judgement on that alone, Don't let 2 minutes in 2 hours taint an amazing story for you.

Ren

Oddly enough I feel somewhat opposite of you on this. As someone else pointed out the writers don't seem to be sci fi fans and therefore needed to borrow extensivley from other sci fi shows and movies. This is a decent (no better) script with plenty of eye candy. I enjoyed it, don't get me wrong, but it could have been so much better. Also, to me the the story lost some serious integrity when a guy who seems to have no problem getting laid gives his fling unsupervised (or any kind of for that matter) access to critical defense information. I am going to continue to hope that the pathetic and whiney Richard Hatch will get someone to make his version so I can get a good story to go with my eye candy.

Bonegavel

12-09-2003, 07:57 PM

Making a prediction about tonight's episode. I think something unexpected and "fresh" will occur. Only because I think there has been so much been there done that in the first night. We'll see.

sachmo71

12-09-2003, 10:06 PM

[queue Mr. Burn's voice]
EXCELLENT...
[/end Mr. Burn's voice]

I really enjoyed the show. Yup, there are holes in the plot, but the story looks like it will be fun, and the space battles are going to be yummy!

BTW...for some mild amusment, head on over to the boards at scifi.com/battlestar to watch the battle between the "old" fans and the "new" fans. Man, geeks are some angry people!!!

Bonegavel

12-09-2003, 10:07 PM

will be fun? I think that was it.

Fonzie

12-09-2003, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
Making a prediction about tonight's episode. I think something unexpected and "fresh" will occur. Only because I think there has been so much been there done that in the first night. We'll see.

It would appear that we have a bingo.

Nyarlahotep

12-09-2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Fonzie
It would appear that we have a bingo.

What unexpected and "fresh" thing happened?

Fonzie

12-09-2003, 11:39 PM

The possibility of Boomer being a Cylon?

Nyarlahotep

12-09-2003, 11:43 PM

Didn't expect it to be her. Both my roomie and I had the communications officer pegged as the surprise Cylon. The plot twist itself was neither unexpected or "fresh".

Fonzie

12-09-2003, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Didn't expect it to be her. Both my roomie and I had the communications officer pegged as the surprise Cylon. The plot twist itself was neither unexpected or "fresh".

It was certainly telegraphed that an undercover cylon was going to be found on board, and I also expected it would be the communications officer. However, I found the selection of Boomer as the undercover Cylon to be both unexpected and "fresh", insofar as they took an established "good guy" character from the original series and turned him/her into an agent of the enemy.

Assuming, of course, that we aren't being led astray...

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 12:01 AM

I was led astray when I talked myself into giving the show a chance. If they make it into a series I won't bother watching to find out. The eye candy wore thin in part two and all that was left was a badly written script and a bunch of characters that I have little or no interest in.

Bonegavel

12-10-2003, 12:15 AM

I didn't expect you to be playing so long with Nefer's titties that you didn't enjoy the show.

Didn't the picture of Adama's wife looked a lot like the cylon babe?

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 12:45 AM

No.

Bee

12-10-2003, 06:30 AM

I'm a little confused about all the folks here disappointed that this is a rehash of the old show....err...isn't that what it was supposed to be? Did you also go to see the movie "The Two Towers" and complain that it was unoriginal because it followed the same story as the book?

Subby

12-10-2003, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by Ksyrup
"Sandra Bernhardt, ladies and gentlemen...What the fuck was THAT? I wouldn't fuck Sandra Bernhardt's pussy with Bea Arthur's dick!"
Where have I heard that before?

kurtism

12-10-2003, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by Subby
Where have I heard that before?

It's a Jeffrey Ross line from one of those Comedy Central celebrity roasts... I forget who got roasted, however...

Subby

12-10-2003, 07:19 AM

Yeah I found <a href="http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12613&highlight=bernhardt">the thread</a>.

RendeR

12-10-2003, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Didn't expect it to be her. Both my roomie and I had the communications officer pegged as the surprise Cylon. The plot twist itself was neither unexpected or "fresh".

Ok maybe I missed something here:

Boomer is not a coomunications officer, she's a pilot

the guy they pegged as a cylon and left behind was a public relations guy, not a comm officer either

so am I just confused or are you guys talking about the wrong person?

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by Bee
I'm a little confused about all the folks here disappointed that this is a rehash of the old show....err...isn't that what it was supposed to be? Did you also go to see the movie "The Two Towers" and complain that it was unoriginal because it followed the same story as the book?

What the fuck "The Two Towers" movie did you watch? The main complaints I ever heard were on how it didn't follow the book.

There hasn't been one complaint of this show rehashing the original since your last post, so why are you suddenly confused?

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by RendeR
Ok maybe I missed something here:

Boomer is not a coomunications officer, she's a pilot

the guy they pegged as a cylon and left behind was a public relations guy, not a comm officer either

so am I just confused or are you guys talking about the wrong person?

You missed the first sentence. Reread what you quoted and include the first sentence and that should clear up your confusion.

RendeR

12-10-2003, 08:35 AM

Just to comment on something:

Richard Hatch actually had a hand in writing some of the original series episodes, they brought him into the writing area when they realized how passionate he was about the show. Notice now, just for a moment, how bad those episodes still turned out.

I just don't see where Hatch could have come up with "better stories" the guy loves the show, no doubt about it, but then again, its the only thing he's ever done that was really popular. He's also a control freak. When they rehashed the show for the late 80's version which stunk up the airwaves, they went to hatch first, because of his dedication and popularity, they finally had to tell him to go to hell because his demands for control over how things were written and done were simply rediculous.

Hatch was a good Apollo. He should shut up and let it go at that. I'd rather have the new version and not have to worry about his self agrandizement ruining a great thing.

And for those who keep complaining that its not "fresh" or "new" DUH, its not supposed to be. They are telling the same story from 25 years ago, but putting a more real face on it. They took a sci fi story and universe and brought it into the 21 century by making it more realistic. People relate better to this because it isn't a complete fantasy. People can see this and say "wow, could this really happen?" While still telling a great sci fi story.

I personally get real tired of every sci fi show coming up with some "super duper flash gun ray blaster from hell" to win the day. ST:TNG got really bad about this, with geordi or the runt always thinking up some new and amazing way to handle the situation. Its nice once in a while, but its more boring than watching paint peel when they do it every episode.

I want to feel like I could really be one of the characters. Like I could step right into the screen and it wouldn't feel like a freakish change. This version feels that way to me.

Now if they could just turn baltar into a believable character I think I'd be all set. I can understand someone being so high on themselves that they act like he does with the multiple women n stuff, but the allowing of #6 to get into the computers was a real stretch, and his personality is just not believable at this point.

Hopefully they'll get a chance to make many more episodes and things will flesh out to everyone's liking. Hell look what they did with Stargate: SG1, talk about taking a really weak movie and making something amazing out of it.

I have faith in Sci-Fi Channel ;)

Ren

(edited for grammar and some spelling)

RendeR

12-10-2003, 08:40 AM

ahh yes, I see now, sorry =)

I get confused easy, you'll understand when you turn 35 ;)

sachmo71

12-10-2003, 08:41 AM

I was definately surprised by the Boomer revelation. It's setting up to be a great series. For those that didn't like it...I respect that.

Bee

12-10-2003, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
What the fuck "The Two Towers" movie did you watch? The main complaints I ever heard were on how it didn't follow the book.

There hasn't been one complaint of this show rehashing the original since your last post, so why are you suddenly confused?

A little sensitive are we?

You obviously completely missed my point on the "Two Towers" comparison. Both BSG and Two Towers are a retelling of a story. Both varied to some extent from the original story, but they both have stuck to the "traditional" style of the original. Expecting major changes to the style just doesn't make any sense to me, that's not the goal of the movies.

There's several comments throughout the thread that talks about how this is a rehash of the old series, nothing new here, same old scifi story, etc. Well guess what...that's exactly what it is, expecting something else seems naive to me. And believe it or not, there's no forum rules that require that I respond only to comments made after my last post.

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by RendeR
ahh yes, I see now, sorry =)

I get confused easy, you'll understand when you turn 35 ;)

Heh, I'm in trouble in a couple years.

To answer your other post:
Screw Richard Hatch's writing. The premise for his show is better. Instead of them rehashing the old sucky scripts and just making them different by throwing in every sci fi cliche they can think of, they could have done something that is fairly original. And if I recall correctly the dogfight in his teaser looked better than they did in the one that actually had a company putting money into it. The new one would have to be great in order for him to ruin a great thing, and it isn't. There was nothing added that makes it feel any more real to me. SG1 is a bad example of the skill of the Sci Fi Channel, that show was great long before it came to that network. I had faith in them for Farscape and they blew it.

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by Bee
A little sensitive are we?

You obviously completely missed my point on the "Two Towers" comparison. Both BSG and Two Towers are a retelling of a story. Both varied to some extent from the original story, but they both have stuck to the "traditional" style of the original. Expecting major changes to the style just doesn't make any sense to me, that's not the goal of the movies.

There's several comments throughout the thread that talks about how this is a rehash of the old series, nothing new here, same old scifi story, etc. Well guess what...that's exactly what it is, expecting something else seems naive to me. And believe it or not, there's no forum rules that require that I respond only to comments made after my last post.

I wasn't being sensitive and I didn't miss your point, it was quite the opposite. If the main complaint I heard was that it didn't follow the book, then sci fi/ fantasy fans obviously don't have a problem with things retelling a story unless in the retelling it is made worse.

I don't think anybody that posted here didn't expect it to be anything but a rehash of the old series, since that is what they have clearly promoted it as. And I never said what you could or couldn't respond to. I asked what made you SUDDENLY confused when when you didn't seem to be in your last post almost a day ago.

Bee

12-10-2003, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
I wasn't being sensitive and I didn't miss your point, it was quite the opposite. If the main complaint I heard was that it didn't follow the book, then sci fi/ fantasy fans obviously don't have a problem with things retelling a story unless in the retelling it is made worse.

I don't think anybody that posted here didn't expect it to be anything but a rehash of the old series, since that is what they have clearly promoted it as. And I never said what you could or couldn't respond to. I asked what made you SUDDENLY confused when when you didn't seem to be in your last post almost a day ago.

If you didn't miss my point, then your previous comments about "what movie I saw" make absolutely no sense to me.

I'm not going to go through this thread quoting the comments about how BSG looked like the same old thing. They're there in various forms.

Obviously you seem to be stuck on my statement "I'm a little confused by all the folks here disappointed that this is a rehash...". Not sure why you are having problems with this as it seems pretty self explanatory to me. Just because I didn't reference this in a previous post really doesn't mean this was a SUDDEN revelation I had when I made the post.

I really don't understand your issue with my comment, but obviously you have a problem with it.

Bonegavel

12-10-2003, 09:47 AM

My comments on new and "fresh" (quoted from an earlier poster) was basically taking the known story-line (which yes, they were rehasing) and throw a few nice twists in. I think they did that.

I also think they peppered the 4 hours with enough interesting hooks/situations to set it up nicely for a series (no duh)

All in all, I think it was one of the better 4 hours I spent watching television in a long time.

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by Bee
If you didn't miss my point, then your previous comments about "what movie I saw" make absolutely no sense to me.

I'm not going to go through this thread quoting the comments about how BSG looked like the same old thing. They're there in various forms.

Obviously you seem to be stuck on my statement "I'm a little confused by all the folks here disappointed that this is a rehash...". Not sure why you are having problems with this as it seems pretty self explanatory to me. Just because I didn't reference this in a previous post really doesn't mean this was a SUDDEN revelation I had when I made the post.

I really don't understand your issue with my comment, but obviously you have a problem with it.

My comment meant that the complaints for that movie are fairly well known and unless you count the fools who claimed that the title was taken from the WTC tragedy, they have nothing to do with being unoriginal.

I guess I do have a problem when people say they are confused by something and have not taken the first chance possible to clear it up.

Like Bonegerbil, my comments on new and "fresh" were about the twists, but instead focused on how they were neither. There really hasn't been complaints on how it is a rehash in the way you are making it out be. There were some about how it was a rehash instead of a new story and there were some about character changes, but nobody has posted since Monday night complaining that they were surprised to find that this was a knock off and they thought it was unoriginal. I know you don't want to go through the thread and quote posts, but if you could just point me to one of that nature I would greatly appreciate it. I guess I am just really curious who the people you are calling naive are. And for the record both TTT and the new BSG both did have major changes to the sytle or the originals.

Bonegavel

12-10-2003, 12:29 PM

bonegerbil. Excellent NylonHoseTent.

I still put the question to you, what new and fresh approach would you have used?

korme

12-10-2003, 12:38 PM

Did anyone see Family Guy last night?

"And that concludes our show. Coming up next, Battlestar Galactia Forum."

(Fat KISS fan puts on a Battlestar helmet.)

Robot voice: Welcome to Battlestar Galactia Forum.

Raven Hawk

12-10-2003, 01:05 PM

I want a series made out of this. There are very few shows on TV that I will take time out of my day to watch. This is one that I would watch.

I am an old BSG fan, but I really like what they have done with new one. I don't care what Richard Hatch says. He's a whiney bitch. He was a whiney bitch when he played Apollo. I think that SciFi has something good here and I hope they extend.

The battle scene between the Galactica and the Cylon Base Star was awesome, especially the combat landing which showed the Vipers coming in fast and skipping their landings.

I think they beat the "The lives of many outweigh the lives of a few" premise into the ground.

Overall, I really liked it. I want more.

Bee

12-10-2003, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
My comment meant that the complaints for that movie are fairly well known and unless you count the fools who claimed that the title was taken from the WTC tragedy, they have nothing to do with being unoriginal.

While that's true it has absolutely nothing to do with my comparison which is why I think you are still missing my original point.

I guess I am just really curious who the people you are calling naive are.

I didn't call anyone naive, I said expecting something new from a series that was known to be a rehash was naive.

And for the record both TTT and the new BSG both did have major changes to the sytle or the originals.

I disagree. IMO they had at most a minor change to the styles of the originals.

Gambit

12-10-2003, 01:22 PM

I'm in the minority because I didn't like all of it. The story was decent in areas, bad in areas, and good in areas. I don't think the gender changes were necessary. The main reason for the Starbuck gender change was to "explore sexual tension between Starbuck and Apollo". Newsflash, you could have done that if they were both still men(not my cup of tea, but it would have been an eye opener). Boomer being a girl probably had to do something with the decision to make her a Cylon. 2 male and 2 female models were shown in the end.

The effects were cool. I'm really happy to see that they made the battles as "real" as they could. The massive abuse of tactical nukes was a bit much though :D

If I had to give it a score out of 10 it would be an overall 6/10(for me)

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
bonegerbil. Excellent NylonHoseTent.

I still put the question to you, what new and fresh approach would you have used?

Well at least you were more original than the new BSG. You only recyceled 2/3's of the name you used earlier in the thread, and I guess they weren't recycling because they probably didn't write the shows and movies they had to steal plots from.

How can you still put a question to me that you never put to me? Or was the question in the post that you exclusively quoted kserra in really directed at me?

There were any number of things they could have done to come up with something a different or at least not stolen from a movie which came out last month. When kserra had some suggestions on something not so cliche that could have been done you countered by saying that it didn't fit with them redoing the original series. Who said they had to redo the original series? And I have to admit that the rise of the Cylon race would be a rip off of the Animatrix, at least it is less well known and less recent the the Matrix rip off they did use.I think it would have been far more interesting to see a prequel to the original explaining this and watching a newly commisioned BSG enter the Cylon War instead of a newly decomisioned BSG do the same thing the original did with a few predictable and lame plot twists thrown in. Or they could have gone in the other direction. They could have mixed this cast with the original and shown what was going on with the original crew and their families 25 years later. All I know about the one they did was that their "new" twists didn't add to the enjoyment of myself or the people I watched with. In fact we found them so lame and predictable that any chance of us watching the series is over. how are those for at least less stale and recycled than what we saw. If you really want more ideas, I'm sure I would charge less than the people who wrote the new stuff charged for a script that was poorly written and had no new material whatsoever. If you are really so easily entertained I'm sure you would love my episode where they meet a space pirate and go on a hunt for The Black Pearl (the fastest ship in the galaxy).

Bonegavel

12-10-2003, 01:31 PM

I doubt if there are any tree-hugging cylons, so they could stockup on as many nukes as needed.

Bonegavel

12-10-2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Well at least you were more original than the new BSG. You only recyceled 2/3's of the name you used earlier in the thread, and I guess they weren't recycling because they probably didn't write the shows and movies they had to steal plots from.

How can you still put a question to me that you never put to me? Or was the question in the post that you exclusively quoted kserra in really directed at me?

I meant to say, I now put the question to you.

Don't doubt the power of 2/3.

I was hoping to see a good retelling of the original story. I feel that I received that. I thought there was a good mix of old/new, regardless of the comparisons to "matrix", "honeymooners" or whatever other movie or show you want to throw in. Besides, to think the matrix was original is laughable as well.

[edit: If the new BSG ripped anyone off, it is The Terminator series]

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Bee
While that's true it has absolutely nothing to do with my comparison which is why I think you are still missing my original point.

[b]

I didn't call anyone naive, I said expecting something new from a series that was known to be a rehash was naive.

[b]

I disagree. IMO they had at most a minor change to the styles of the originals.

I get your point, as inadequate as it is, and you conitinue to miss mine. I will state it for you: People don't complain about this kind of thing unless it is poorly done. Followed closely by: The complaints in this thread are for the most part that the "new" stuff is unoriginal.

Exactly, you said thinking like that is naive and that thoughts like that have been expressed in this thread. I'm pretty sure that amounts to calling someone naive. I am still waiting for that one example by the way.

Unless my memory of Tolkien's version has about completely failed me,an army of elves arriving at Helm's Deep does very much change the style. AS for the new BSG they have pretty much made it a soap opera, which is majorly different from the original.

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
I meant to say, I now put the question to you.

Don't doubt the power of 2/3.

I was hoping to see a good retelling of the original story. I feel that I received that. I thought there was a good mix of old/new, regardless of the comparisons to "matrix", "honeymooners" or whatever other movie or show you want to throw in. Besides, to think the matrix was original is laughable as well.

[edit: If the new BSG ripped anyone off, it is The Terminator series]

Sorry if I didn't make it clear, I wan't claiming the matrix was original. I brought it up because it used the same plot last month, if T3 had come out more recently than the new Matrix I would have used it.

*I was hoping for a good retelling as well, since that was all they were willing to offer. I just don't feel I got it.*

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
I doubt if there are any tree-hugging cylons, so they could stockup on as many nukes as needed.

I thought model 11 was a tree-hugger? :p

*If a ship can take a direct hit with a nuke, I would have used the hell out of them too.*

Bonegavel

12-10-2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Sorry if I didn't make it clear, I wan't claiming the matrix was original. I brought it up because it used the same plot last month, if T3 had come out more recently than the new Matrix I would have used it.

*I was hoping for a good retelling as well, since that was all they were willing to offer. I just don't feel I got it.*

Fair enough.

As recent as the Fellowship of the Ring, I was a hardcore "This better be exactly like the book" or, "Give me something I haven't seen before damnit!" kind of person. Call it intellectual laziness, or whatever, but I am slowly learning to overcome that.

Peter Jackson was over a barrel. How do you bring such an immense body of work (not talking about his huge ass) to the screen in only 3 movies? The books were never written to be a film and it is so immense, to do it justice, it really should have been 15 full length movies.

It can be argued that his additions/subtractions (like the elves at helm's deep) could have been better, but by the time Two Towers came out, I waited for the DVD and watched it for what it was, as opposed to what I thought it should be. And, I enjoyed it.

Now, crap is still crap, but Baskin Robbins makes 31 flavors for a reason. I can't defend the fact that the new BSG may have been a bit stale in its scope, but I watched it hoping to be entertained and I was.

sachmo71

12-10-2003, 02:58 PM

I still don't see the whole argument of "it's been done before." There are so many avenues that a storyteller can take a story, even if the genesis is similar to another story.

For example, let's take the oft-mentioned "sex bot". :)
Sure it's been done. But isn't it logical that a race of robots would try to create infiltration units to use against their enemy? So, many stories will start here, because it is a logical starting point. Now, BG decided to make their hot.
Been done you say?
Well, BG's robot is hot AND religious!! Never thought of that one, did you? :)

I say give them a chance to tell the story. Break the sci-fi geek mold and expand your mind. Gather more evidence before passing judgement! You might like it! :p

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
Fair enough.

As recent as the Fellowship of the Ring, I was a hardcore "This better be exactly like the book" or, "Give me something I haven't seen before damnit!" kind of person. Call it intellectual laziness, or whatever, but I am slowly learning to overcome that.

Peter Jackson was over a barrel. How do you bring such an immense body of work (not talking about his huge ass) to the screen in only 3 movies? The books were never written to be a film and it is so immense, to do it justice, it really should have been 15 full length movies.

It can be argued that his additions/subtractions (like the elves at helm's deep) could have been better, but by the time Two Towers came out, I waited for the DVD and watched it for what it was, as opposed to what I thought it should be. And, I enjoyed it.

Now, crap is still crap, but Baskin Robbins makes 31 flavors for a reason. I can't defend the fact that the new BSG may have been a bit stale in its scope, but I watched it hoping to be entertained and I was.

I wasn't using the elves to complain that is varied slightly from the book or if it was better or worse. I was saying that it brought a major change from what Tolkien was saying in the books. One of the key elements of the book was that it was man standing alone (yes there were several races in the fellowship) against his enemy. It has been a while, but I am pretty sure they made a big deal about how the other races wouldn't help fight Sauron. If I had just been trying to nit-pick I would have used teh moronic scene with Elrond and Arwen.

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by sachmo71
I still don't see the whole argument of "it's been done before." There are so many avenues that a storyteller can take a story, even if the genesis is similar to another story.

For example, let's take the oft-mentioned "sex bot". :)
Sure it's been done. But isn't it logical that a race of robots would try to create infiltration units to use against their enemy? So, many stories will start here, because it is a logical starting point. Now, BG decided to make their hot.
Been done you say?
Well, BG's robot is hot AND religious!! Never thought of that one, did you? :)

I say give them a chance to tell the story. Break the sci-fi geek mold and expand your mind. Gather more evidence before passing judgement! You might like it! :p

I gathered four hours of evidence. That is all I need unless they plan on getting Johnny Cochrane to use the Chewbacca defense, that show has been found guilty of sucking. If I am going to have to look that hard to find something new, then I may as well spend my time working and at least get paid for the effort. You challenge me to expand my mind, well I challenege you to next accept crap on television. Maybe if more people didn't welcome cliched plots writers would be forced to come up with something new. The religion thing could be new, or it could just be what the new cylons call their creator in a n effort to emulate Man. And that, I'm pretty sure, has been done before.

Bee

12-10-2003, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
I get your point, as inadequate as it is, and you conitinue to miss mine. I will state it for you: People don't complain about this kind of thing unless it is poorly done. Followed closely by: The complaints in this thread are for the most part that the "new" stuff is unoriginal.

Exactly, you said thinking like that is naive and that thoughts like that have been expressed in this thread. I'm pretty sure that amounts to calling someone naive. I am still waiting for that one example by the way.

Unless my memory of Tolkien's version has about completely failed me,an army of elves arriving at Helm's Deep does very much change the style. AS for the new BSG they have pretty much made it a soap opera, which is majorly different from the original.

I give up. This is a complete waste of my time.

Bonegavel

12-10-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by Bee
I give up. This is a complete waste of my time.

I understand your pain, but there is no discussing issues with

the blind, voiceless, mindless gargoyles whose soul is Nyarlahotep.

Taur

12-10-2003, 04:03 PM

Can someone tell me Why they decided to go with a "Rise of the machine" cylon?

What was wrong with the orginal cylon storyline? I thought it was the original "founders of the universe" story...see Babylon5 or StarGate for series that have recycled this BSG idea.

Nyarlahotep

12-10-2003, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Bonegavel
I understand your pain, but there is no discussing issues with

Not when you aren't trying to discuss there isn't.

sachmo71

12-10-2003, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Bee
I give up. This is a complete waste of my time.

Word.

kcchief19

12-10-2003, 10:33 PM

Now that that's done ...

I give the miniseries a B+. for the first 3 1/2 hours or so. I had some quibbles here and there, but nothing to start a holy war over. It had its good and bad moments, but overall I liked it. In fact, if they made it into a series, I'd watch.

However, what the hell was up with the ending? There were any number of things that didn't make sense, but I guess my biggest complaint is that it seemed like the show wasn't over. So they are headed out into space for Earth, even though apparently Earth doesn't exist. WHAT?!?!

I feel like I've read the first 30 chapters of a 40 chapter book, only to find that the author didn't write the last 10 chapters. I'm not asking for an everyone lives happily everafter ending, just some type of resolution.

The original series 3-hour pilot was a self-contain story with a beginning, middle and end. The Cylons struck, the humans ran, the humans launched a counterattack and won. The end. You knew the story wasn't over, but it seemed like that part of the story was over.

In essence, it felt to me like they got to the 3:45 mark and realized, "Oh, shit, we only have 15 minutes left. Screw it, make Boomer a Cylon, say Earth doesn't exist and roll credits. That ought to hold the little SOBs."

Fonzie

12-10-2003, 11:21 PM

kcchief19 -

You articulated very well what I was feeling last night - for about an hour after it ended I was thinking I'd tune in on Wednesday night to catch the ending. At which point I belatedly realized that I'd seen the ending. And I didn't like it.

Of course, they're trying to ensure that those of us who enjoyed it will tune in when SciFi picks it up as a regular series.

Speaking of which, does anyboy know how BSG did in the ratings?

Richards

12-11-2003, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by Fonzie
kcchief19 -

Speaking of which, does anyboy know how BSG did in the ratings?

I am curious to this too. I'd imagine it did (relatively) well, even though the ratings don't tell the whole story...a large chunk of the viewership was probably diehards who predertermined to hate it like their whining leader Richard Hatch, but they still watched, contributing to it's rating.

I guess I'll never understand people who want remakes to be exact faithful copies of the original, just with better technology.

What incentive does this provide to a director, or cast for that matter?

If you want the better technology, just re-master the original with CGI instead of cheesy models or whatever it used.

Again, my viewpoint is from someone who never saw the original, and immensely enjoyed the miniseries.

I also don't see the sense in picking apart a scifi movie for the things that "don't make sense." you could do this all day. Inevitable, certain realism has to be sacrificed for the plot.

You could go on all day, the BG has think enough "plating" to survive a point blank hydrogen bomb with minimal damage which means it must be a heavy mother, but it's pretty nimble and can jump to lightspeed instantly. That's one hell of a motor.
Don't stand next to that thing.

Also, why did cylons use nukes first, but not when BG was taking direct hits outside the ion storm....because the story has to go on.

Any scifi series is guilty of this, even those that some people put on a pedastel. I love TNG, but one episode provides enought picking material to last a long time, especially time-travel topics, et al.

P.S. Considering that even though I'm very patient, I have finally given up on Enterprise. Curious, does anyone here enjoy Andromeda? Been watching it since late last season, and like it so far. They don't seem to shy away from complex plots. I like that. On the other hand, enterprise seems to have resigned itself to robotic rubber stamp plots, "going where many writers have gone before."

HornedFrog Purple

12-11-2003, 07:37 AM

I watched the show to be entertained, I was entertained. I think this set a nice groundwork for hopefully what is to come.

My only complaint if you want to call it that is that I think there should be more robot cylons and less human cylons. I pictured the human cylons as special made for spy missions and stuff, but there were a lot of them.

sachmo71

12-11-2003, 08:04 AM

Richards,

Have you ever read the book The Physics of Star Trek?

Bonegavel

12-11-2003, 08:16 AM

I got it. This would have satisfied everyone:

Adama should have been a talking patrol car that lived at 1313 Mockingbird lane, Caprica City. By day he was a lawyer and by night he was an encylopedia salesman. The Galactica is the name of a hotdog stand down the street where he bought spare tires for bicycles-built-for-two.

The Cylons were actually street signs that began taunting him with their "STOP" this and "Yield" that. He was fed up and spray painted "LORDS of COBOL RULE! ABEND ABEND" on them.

After which, he hooks up with zues and apollo (dogs from Magnum P.I.) and goes on a wild crime spree (checking pay phones for change) that nets him $1.35 for his efforts.

He marries this woman who is actually a witch and when she twitches her nose, stuff happens, and they lived happily ever after.

Richards

12-11-2003, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by sachmo71
Richards,

Have you ever read the book The Physics of Star Trek?

No, but it sounds very entertaining, just by the title. What is the tone of the book?

sachmo71

12-11-2003, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Richards
No, but it sounds very entertaining, just by the title. What is the tone of the book?

Actually, it's pretty straightforward. They take a Star Trek technological concept and try to explain it with real world science. Your post about the Galactica taking a nuke and it's ability to withstand such a hit made me think you may enjoy the book. Check it out next time you're at the bookstore!

kcchief19

12-11-2003, 08:16 PM

NEW YORK (Hollywood Reporter) - The second night of the Sci Fi Channel miniseries "Battlestar Galactica" rocketed past the first Tuesday to deliver the cable channel's highest-rated program of the year.

"Galactica," starring Edward James Olmos (news), gathered 4.5 million total viewers, surpassing the 3.9 million who watched Monday's opening of the four-hour miniseries. Tuesday's tally gave Sci Fi not only enough ratings power to blast past the WB Network and UPN in primetime but provided the third-highest-ranked program in the station's history.

With an average of 4.2 million viewers, "Galactica" finished behind "Steven Spielberg (news) Presents Taken" (5 million) and "Frank Herbert's Dune" (4.6 million) but bettered the more recent sequel, "Children of Dune" (2.7 million).

I don't know if that is better than Sci Fi expected, but it seems strong enough to take a gamble on as a series. If they do, then the parallels with the original series will continue, since the orginal was concepted as a miniseries and was promoted to a full-season series when ABC saw how good it was.

Of course, that's also why the original series struggled creatively at times. If they do this as a series, I assume they will take some more time to develop it. I wonder if the whole cast is signed up for a series or if there might be some defections. I kind of got used to that cast, so I'd hate to see it broken it up.