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SackAttack
12-08-2003, 02:31 AM
I just built a brand new, billion dollar stadium for the Baltimore Ravens, and my franchise quarterback's swan song took place during the stadium's first year of existence.

At the start of the next season, this stadium, despite having a 'Very Good' rating for stadium condition, and 'Excellent' ratings for turf and parking lot conditions, is rated as the worst of the 'Good' stadiums, with an overall rating of 40.

Meanwhile, Pittsburgh is in the middle of a renovation of Heinz Field, which has a stadium condition of 'excellent,' turf condition of 'good,' and parking lot condition of 'poor.' Their stadium holds, additionally, about 30,000 fewer fans than mine does.

So why does their stadium receive an overall rating of 84, good for the only 'Excellent' on the board, while mine is behind 14 other stadiums? I hired a 'high-quality construction firm,' so it isn't like it's a Soldier Field-style eyesore, or anything.

Is this just Jim's way of simulating Tagliabue's extortion methods, or is there something else here that I'm missing?

SackAttack
12-08-2003, 04:21 PM
Nobody has anything to say on the topic?

Buzzbee
12-08-2003, 06:39 PM
The only thoughts I have are that the stadium you have doesn't "fit" the population/growth/economy of Baltimore while Pittsburgh's is a good fit for Pittsburgh's pop/grow/econ.

Another thought is Dome vs open air, natural grass vs. turf, and also the configuration of seats. How many box seats, club seats and such do you have when compared to Heinz field? Perhaps there is a magic percentage of "blue collar" seats compared to "luxury" seats?

Just tossing out ideas.

SackAttack
12-08-2003, 06:48 PM
Pittsburgh's stadium opened in 2001, is open air, with natural grass, and seats 84,000.
26,600 upper deck seats
19,200 end zone
11,100 mezzanine
17,000 sidelines
7,000 club seats
120 luxury boxes

Baltimore's stadium opened in 2019, has a retractable roof, with natural grass, and seats 95,000.
26,300 upper deck
19,000 end zone
11,000 mezzanine
16,800 sidelines
14,500 club seats
299 luxury boxes

Pittsburgh city info:
Population: 2,410,000
Growth: 2.8%
Average income: $44,000
Poverty level: 13.7%

Baltimore city info:
Population: 2,310,000
Growth: -1.8%
Average income: $25,900
Poverty level: 10.0%

Pittsburgh's average cost for a family of four, per game, is $993.

Baltimore's average cost for a family of four, per game, is $532.

Not really a huge difference, other than the number of club/luxury seats, but even so, you can seat an entire family of four in the club level in our stadium for what it would cost one person to sit in the club level at Heinz Field. I'm at a loss.

Maple Leafs
12-08-2003, 07:08 PM
I posted in the bug thread that I thought "Stadium" and "Roster" were reversed in the ratings table, but nobody confirmed.