pro-footbal-reference.com for FOF leagues

[Fido]

Wouldn't it be cool if there was a utility to generate a site like http://pro-football-reference.com for FOF Leagues?

Wouldn't it be cool to be able to see a team's complete draft history (especially when you want to see what the computer picked for you in a preference draft)?

Wouldn't it be cool if there was a way to track the number of championship rings each player has won?

Wait a sec...there is.

FOF Reporter can do all of this automatically. I know that some people were resistant to try it because of the *BETA* tag I put on the other thread, but you should give it a try. It will not corrupt anything on your system, and the worst thing that could happen is that it won't work (or it may crash). I just call apps Beta until they have all of the features I want in an initial release implemented.

So, what does it do? It reads in a saved game (or a MP league) file and uses templates to generate a bunch of HTML pages. Want to see what it currently spits out? Then click here (http://fidosoft.com/FOF/Hosted/FOFReporter/sample/).

The latest version (1.5b at the time of this writing) can be downloaded from here (http://fidosoft.com/FOF/).

Features

Generation of Player Pages General information, championship rings, season by season and game by game stats, optional photos, and charts of stats during their career
Generation of team specific pages including season by season and game by game records, transactions during the current year, team roster including salaries, complete team draft history, and team record books.
League Standings for each year that has been simulated - pre season, regular season tables and a post season playoff tree.
League Leaders - League wide and conference by conference for each year that has been simulated in 24 categories
Player Index filterable by last initial or by position, including years played
League wide transaction report
Complete league draft history filterable for each of the 7 rounds or displaying all of the draft picks for a given year.
Individual record books - League and team for Career, Single Season, Single Game, and Single Playoff Game.
Conversion of game logs and box scores into an ESPN like page
Completely customizable - don't want certain pages generated? You can easily exclude them. Don't like the way I am presenting things (I never claimed to be a web designer:))? Change the template files (HTML with some special codes) and you change the way the sites are generated.


Maybe the above list is impressive...maybe not. But if you want to see it in action, check out the sample located at http://fidosoft.com/FOF/Hosted/FOFReporter/sample/ and see just what it generates.

[Draft Dodger]

isn't this all Shorty's idea?

[Ben E Lou]

Fido:

Change your download link. It is to the sample page.

[Ben E Lou]

Oh.....archived and stickying....

[Fido]

Originally posted by Draft Dodger
isn't this all Shorty's idea?

Its what Shorty Asked for...but this has been in the works for ages before he requested it - and is why I didn't want to do the dynasty about it. Once I looked at what the site really contained I realized that what I had was only lacking a few things.

Originally posted by SkyDog
Change your download link. It is to the sample page.

Sorry. Changed. Hopefully its right this time.

Originally posted by SkyDog
Oh.....archived and stickying....
Stickied?? Wow. I'm flattered. Thought you wre avoiding stickying in lieu of the reference thread. Very nice of you indeed.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally posted by Fido
Its what Shorty Asked for...but this has been in the works for ages before he requested it - and is why I didn't want to do the dynasty about it. Once I looked at what the site really contained I realized that what I had was only lacking a few things.


just busting your balls, of course.

[Ben E Lou]

I am getting a run-time error, abnormal program termination, when I hit the "generate" button.

[Fido]

Originally posted by SkyDog
I am getting a run-time error, abnormal program termination, when I hit the "generate" button.

Bad box score file I bet. Look at the fofreporter.log file in c:\ on your system. The last line will ba a number (if its not, send me the file dfedolfi2000 yahoo). That file is incorrectly formatted.

I've seen this 5 times now, but I cannot tell if it is a rare FOF buf or if it is an accidental edit by people. The problem has always been with the player of the game. FOF Reporter is expecting the line to start with

!Game MVP:

and the errors have been when that line does not start that way. If you want to e-mail me that file I can verify that this is the issue. Or you could try editing the file to include that.

[Ben E Lou]

OK. The last line is a number: 00000001

I didn't follow what I should do from here.

[Fido]

Originally posted by SkyDog
OK. The last line is a number: 00000001

I didn't follow what I should do from here.
can you mail me the 00000001.fbx file from your universe directory? (dfedolfi2000 yahoo com) I'll check it out to see exactly what the problem is (and use that file to change the code so that it no longer crashes).

[edit: fixed type in filename]

[Senator]

Fido, I sent you my file as well. I will wait for your directions.

[Ben E Lou]

sending..

[Ben E Lou]

Um....just saw your filename fix. I have no 00000001.fbx file. The first .fbx is 00000545.fbx

[Barkeep49]

I'm getting the error as well and the file seems to be ok.

[Fido]

I just uploaded a new build of 1.5. If you have previously downloaded and are not having any problems, then there's no need to download it. If you are experiencing these box score related crashes, this should fix them.

[Ben E Lou]

Getting a new error now. Win XP is shutting it down.

[Fido]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Getting a new error now. Win XP is shutting it down. Can you e-mail me your log file?

[Ben E Lou]

'k

[Ben E Lou]

According to the timestamp on the .exe file, it hasn't been updated since around 5pm.

[Eaglesfan27]

I see you added a prompt to view the pages within the reporter ;)

This new version is so nice. I could spend hours upon hours just viewing stories from my league through your utility and I'm only 10 years into my career. I can't stop looking at how each of the 1st year's amateur draft have done throughout their career.

[Fido]

Originally posted by Eaglesfan27
I see you added a prompt to view the pages within the reporter ;)

This new version is so nice. I could spend hours upon hours just viewing stories from my league through your utility and I'm only 10 years into my career. I can't stop looking at how each of the 1st year's amateur draft have done throughout their career. Yay the thing is actually working for someone. :)

That prompt was a direct result of your question BTW.

[Primal]

It looks very promising. However, I'm getting an Out of Memory Error (I have 1 GB Ram) after it runs for a bit.

[Flasch186]

will it work for fictional cities and nicknames yet?

[Fouts]

My old 1 year league file worked fine (fictional), but my 19 year career league file (fictional) slows down while doing boxscores and shows not responding in task manager.

Has anyone gotten a multi-year league to work?

[Fido]

Originally posted by Primal
It looks very promising. However, I'm getting an Out of Memory Error (I have 1 GB Ram) after it runs for a bit. That's a new one. Must have gotten thrown into an infinite loop somewhere...Can't think of anywhere that that coculd happen. Is it when you open a file or when you click on Generate? If its opening a file, could you send me (dfedolfi2000 yahoo com) the fgaparse.log file in c:\, and if its in generate, send fofreporter.log from c:\.

[Flasch186]

am i retarded or does the link to downlaod take me to the FTP tree?

[Primal]

Go up one directory and download the 1.5b

[Fido]

Originally posted by Flasch186
am i retarded or does the link to downlaod take me to the FTP tree? Nope. its me that's retarded. I fixed the donload link in the above message (second time's the charm).

[Flasch186]

alright, heres a new one.....how do i get fictional logos to be put in where necessary on outputs? Do i copy them in the logos directory? if so will the helmet extensions do? also in mine, USFL, its only showing a few transactions and not others....can you think of why? Also I dont see team history pages. where can i find those?


thanks, it looks great.

[Flasch186]

alright i see where it points to it, but what is the format that the logo pack needs to be in? Will it recognize all 31 helmets and make the necessary application to it or does it need to be a bitmap sheet like ive seen? Also are there any NFL facepacks.....you know what Ive always wanted to see was a fictional facepack. One where its got about 500 - 1000 fictional player faces to be attributed to incoming draftees. I think its done in OOTP but it'd be nice to have here too.

[Fido]

Originally posted by Flasch186
alright, heres a new one.....how do i get fictional logos to be put in where necessary on outputs? Do i copy them in the logos directory? if so will the helmet extensions do? also in mine, USFL, its only showing a few transactions and not others....can you think of why? Also I dont see team history pages. where can i find those?


thanks, it looks great.

We'll take the easy one first - the Logos. Logos go in the logo directory. They have to be .gifs. Name them based on the team name (case sensitive). So Arizona would be Arizona.gif, St. Louis St. Louis.gif, etc, etc. The web pages will automatically detect them (the solecismic image that displays on the player page is a default that is loaded up through javascript.

While we're on the subject - player faces. These are .jpgs and are in the images folder of the players folder. They are based off of the player's index number. Do player 1's photo will be 1.jpg. As with the team logos, the default face is loaded up via javascript, so just copy a jpg in and it will show up.

The helmet extension should work...but they will be really small.

Transactions - it should be showing all of them. Can you give me some examples of transactions that are missing? Are we talking about a lot of transactions or just a few?

What do you mean by team history pages?

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally posted by Flasch186
alright, heres a new one.....how do i get fictional logos to be put in where necessary on outputs? Do i copy them in the logos directory? if so will the helmet extensions do? also in mine, USFL, its only showing a few transactions and not others....can you think of why? Also I dont see team history pages. where can i find those?


thanks, it looks great.

As far as the logos, you need to put them in the logos folder of wherever your output is going. Also, if you use a prepackaged file, make sure they aren't in the folder (it took me a few minutes to figure that one out.) My logos are in c:/sample/logos because I never changed the default setting on the program.

[Fido]

Originally posted by Flasch186
alright i see where it points to it, but what is the format that the logo pack needs to be in? Will it recognize all 31 helmets and make the necessary application to it or does it need to be a bitmap sheet like ive seen? Also are there any NFL facepacks.....you know what Ive always wanted to see was a fictional facepack. One where its got about 500 - 1000 fictional player faces to be attributed to incoming draftees. I think its done in OOTP but it'd be nice to have here too.

I called it a logo pack, but its really just a directory of GIF files. Same with face packs, those are just a directory of JPG Files.

This is waaay too new for anyone to have made a face pack. If anyone wants to undertake such a task, let me know an I'll generate a list of player names, index nubers, jersey numbers and teams.

I like the idea of having the draftees face pack. If anyone is interrested/talented enough to make that up, I'll add in code which will automatically assign faces to new players (players drafted after the start of the league).

[Flasch186]

alright here i go to make it work!!! thanks....

oh the teams page isnt linked of the league home page, I just couldnt find a link on that page but i can open it outside of that, from my hard drive. The prob. with that for me is my owners wont be able to do that. I would need at least some link to everything from the index for them to see the stuff.

[Fido]

Originally posted by Flasch186
alright here i go to make it work!!! thanks....

oh the teams page isnt linked of the league home page, I just couldnt find a link on that page but i can open it outside of that, from my hard drive. The prob. with that for me is my owners wont be able to do that. I would need at least some link to everything from the index for them to see the stuff.

Yeah...I'm trying to figure out wn easy way to do the templates for a teams page. I'll probably wind up brute forcing something together. You should be able to get there from the standings page right now, right?

[FBPro]

Fido, AMAZING!!!

Installed, found my league, processed files, generated pages all in no time w/o any problems at all.

Great job, thanks!

[Flasch186]

yeah the standings will do it....thanks


still working on the logos

making changes moving around, what directory are all the logos supposed to be in when the prog. goes to look for them or can i browse to them?

[Flasch186]

EUREKA!!!

[Fouts]

My big league file worked. Since I don't save game logs, I removed the game log generation, which allowed the reporter to continue.

Very nice program, thanks!

[Flasch186]

about the transactions ive had some transactions across the board. were in our preseason wk. 3 but only TBY's moves are on it and 4 of them at that. would like me to send oyu something?

[FBPro]

Fido or anyone,

Are the logos mentioned in your original thread still available for d/l somewhere? I get a 404 when I click the link.

[Flasch186]

but theyre on their team pages? hmmm, interesting

[Fido]

Originally posted by Flasch186
yeah the standings will do it....thanks


still working on the logos

making changes moving around, what directory are all the logos supposed to be in when the prog. goes to look for them or can i browse to them? I would suggest you create a USFL Logos directory (or something like that) on your system somewhere. The, in FOF Reporter, go into Templates, and specify that folder as the logo pack. That way, every time you generate, you'll be sure to have all of the logos.

[Fido]

Originally posted by Flasch186
about the transactions ive had some transactions across the board. were in our preseason wk. 3 but only TBY's moves are on it and 4 of them at that. would like me to send oyu something?

This is an online league, right? Is the league file availabe somewhere where I coudl DL it and check it out?

Originally posted by FBPro
Fido or anyone,

Are the logos mentioned in your original thread still available for d/l somewhere? I get a 404 when I click the link.

Give me 10 mins and they will be.

[FBPro]

Thanks, fantastic utility and now this will give me more hours to pour over my league than I do now....:)

[Fido]

Originally posted by FBPro
Fido or anyone,

Are the logos mentioned in your original thread still available for d/l somewhere? I get a 404 when I click the link.

http://fidosoft.com/FOF/

You'll want the NFL Logo Pack "utility"

[FBPro]

Just noticed in my career leaders that the total passing yards the QB's have thrown for was "doubled" somehow. Everythingelse looks ggod.

[Flasch186]

usfl's league files are at home.comcast.net/~ashmunes


thanks for the great utility

[Flasch186]

one thing to consider, fido, is that some hosts wont allow filenames with spaces so each time i generate reports im going to have to manually go through and edit the few that do like, Columbus (OH) and Des Moines. Thats tedious but from the looks of it worth it.

[Flasch186]

another thing (sorry) just ran it.....i have some phantom cities getting outputs, ie. San Francisco. I dont have a team in San Francsico.

I didnt realize how many two city names teams there are, that stinks for me. I hope you'll consider an easy fix for me. :)

[Fido]

Originally posted by Flasch186
Thats tedious but from the looks of it worth it.

No its not. There will be massive amounts of links that you'll have to change. I'll add that change to the next version (it could be real problem now if any teamf have a / in them too).

[MizzouRah]

Originally posted by SkyDog
OK. The last line is a number: 00000001

I didn't follow what I should do from here.


Same exact error.


Todd

[Fido]

Originally posted by Flasch186
another thing (sorry) just ran it.....i have some phantom cities getting outputs, ie. San Francisco. I dont have a team in San Francsico.

I didnt realize how many two city names teams there are, that stinks for me. I hope you'll consider an easy fix for me. :)

I'm running your leage files through it right now. I'll let you knwo what I find out.

[Fido]

Originally posted by MizzouRah
Same exact error.


Todd

Get the latest, latest, latest version (1.5b still, but its really like 1.54b after I helped Sky Dog with the same thing). It should be MUCH more tolerant

[MizzouRah]

Originally posted by Fido
Get the latest, latest, latest version (1.5b still, but its really like 1.54b after I helped Sky Dog with the same thing). It should be MUCH more tolerant


Doing that now, thanks!


Todd

[Fido]

Originally posted by Flasch186
about the transactions ive had some transactions across the board. were in our preseason wk. 3 but only TBY's moves are on it and 4 of them at that. would like me to send oyu something?

This is definately a software bug. I have found and fixed it, and it will be include din the next build. If you feel like you just can't wait, bive me an destination and I'll send it to you.

[MizzouRah]

You know, I don't have any game logs ( I only do boxscores) , will that make the program crash?

It's still doing the same thing after 1.5b


Thanks,

Todd

[Fido]

Originally posted by FBPro
Just noticed in my career leaders that the total passing yards the QB's have thrown for was "doubled" somehow. Everythingelse looks ggod.

Is this a long career? Is there some way you could zip up the files and post them somewhere/send them to me so I can try to replicate this?

[Fido]

Originally posted by MizzouRah
You know, I don't have any game logs ( I only do boxscores) , will that make the program crash?

It's still doing the same thing after 1.5b


Thanks,

Todd

Can you send your fofreporter.log to dfedolfi2000 yahoo com

[MizzouRah]

Originally posted by Fido
Can you send your fofreporter.log to dfedolfi2000 yahoo com


Sent.


Thanks,

Todd

[FBPro]

Originally posted by Fido
Is this a long career? Is there some way you could zip up the files and post them somewhere/send them to me so I can try to replicate this?

Currently in yr 29. Any particular files I need to zip?

[Fido]

Originally posted by FBPro
Currently in yr 29. Any particular files I need to zip?
ouch.

That's probably gonna be huge. I'll need ID.* where ID is the numeric file name (visible in FOF Reporter after you upen the file.

There'll be a .fga, a .frc, a .fbo, a .flo, and .2003 - .2029

[MizzouRah]

Thanks! Working just fine now, Fido.

Appreciate the quick fix... now it's time to pour over some numbers. :)



Todd

[Fido]

Originally posted by Primal
It looks very promising. However, I'm getting an Out of Memory Error (I have 1 GB Ram) after it runs for a bit. Are you by any chance not saving game logs? This sould cause that problem. If that's the case you can either
1) wait for 1.6 which will fix it (I'll release something tomorrow)
2) Go into Templates...Game Logs. And remove the entry there.

[FBPro]

Uploading now, I'll PM the link to you when ready.

[Barkeep49]

Fido your support is better than so many companies... I am using the updated 1.5 and was wondering if it would help to have some of the files that are causing problems for the program? If so I'd be more than happy to zip them up and send them to you.

[Fido]

Originally posted by Barkeep49
Fido your support is better than so many companies...

Thanks, but I don't consider it support - I consider it damage control. I take pride in the code I write, and I thought this was much more stable than it has proven to be. Its actually quite embarrassing.

Originally posted by Barkeep49
I am using the updated 1.5 and was wondering if it would help to have some of the files that are causing problems for the program? If so I'd be more than happy to zip them up and send them to you.

That's completely up to you. I'd be happy to look at them and see why you're having the problems that you're having, but you will have to tell me what problems you're having (sorry if I missed any posts - thought this was going to be smoother than it was so I started quenching my thirst and am a tad but fuzzy now). If you want to tell em what problems you're seeing, I can tell you what files you'll need to send.

[Primal]

Originally posted by Fido
Are you by any chance not saving game logs? This sould cause that problem. If that's the case you can either
1) wait for 1.6 which will fix it (I'll release something tomorrow)
2) Go into Templates...Game Logs. And remove the entry there.

Ah, I didn't know i needed Game logs.

Sorry my bad, I was only saving Box Scores.

[Fido]

Originally posted by Primal
Ah, I didn't know i needed Game logs.

Sorry my bad, I was only saving Box Scores. No no no...MY bad. You shouldn't need them, and my program should have been smart enough to survive them not existing. The next version will be.

[Fonzie]

I've also encountered the QB career passing yardage doubling phenomenon in a lengthy career (18 years). For what it's worth, it only seems to happen to QBs who have greater than about 32000 career yards.

[Fonzie]

Dola-

I love this utility, Fido. Excellent work!

[Fido]

Originally posted by Fonzie
I've also encountered the QB career passing yardage doubling phenomenon in a lengthy career (18 years). For what it's worth, it only seems to happen to QBs who have greater than about 32000 career yards. I'm downloading a league right now that exhibits it right now. No idea what the problem is, but it will be fixed tonight and available when I post 1.6 (maybe tonight)

[Fido]

Originally posted by Fonzie
Dola-

I love this utility, Fido. Excellent work! Thanks...too bad I missed the Golden Scribe nomination period :)

[Barkeep49]

OK new problem with 1.54B

Previously program would crash (cause of game logs). With newest version, the program freezes up about a third of the way through on a box score. Problem is repeatable even after a computer restart.

[FBPro]

Very minor spelling error, in transactions "linebacker" is spelled "linevbacker".

[Fido]

Originally posted by Barkeep49
OK new problem with 1.54B

Previously program would crash (cause of game logs). With newest version, the program freezes up about a third of the way through on a box score. Problem is repeatable even after a computer restart.

can you e-mail me the fofreporter.log (dfedolfi2000 yahoo com) as a starting point?

[Fouts]

Links in transactions were incorrect, missing the /sample directory. If this was fixed in 1.54b, then forget it (can't tell which 1.5 I have).

[Flasch186]

another interesting thing:

Some of the team pages ie. erie.htm is lowercase when the page actually is looking for the UPPER CASE ie. Erie so im going in and manually renaming them. Which is fine but again would become quite tedious to do each time. Maybe, all the uploading caused the truncation so lets wait til next time and see if it happens again. I mustve uploaded 30 times or so.

[Fido]

Originally posted by Flasch186
another interesting thing:

Some of the team pages ie. erie.htm is lowercase when the page actually is looking for the UPPER CASE ie. Erie so im going in and manually renaming them. Which is fine but again would become quite tedious to do each time. Maybe, all the uploading caused the truncation so lets wait til next time and see if it happens again. I mustve uploaded 30 times or so.
Sounds to me like your host might be doing auto case conversions of uploaded files. That really sucks. I'll have to think of how I can fix that one.

[Flasch186]

mightve been me.....

[Barkeep49]

Email sent.

[FBPro]

This question maybe answered elsewhere but here goes, how often should we run this? After each season? Will it mess things up if we do it more often?

[Flasch186]

in hindsight i dont think so....about the auto conversion. What i think is happening is that the host wont allow me via front page to copy over an entire directory so im having to copy and paste into one i make and i think maybe that kills it. Im kinda lost now cuz i have files floating around in so many places...im trying to narrow back down to where i think it all should be but i keep getting foffile not found on teams pages. im working on it

[Fido]

Originally posted by FBPro
This question maybe answered elsewhere but here goes, how often should we run this? After each season? Will it mess things up if we do it more often? After each game is fine if you want. It doesn't save anything yet, but, even when it does, it will simply overwrite a transactions history file for the current year with the transactions for that year.

[FBPro]

A few places in the "draft" area a pick will say "unknown" is that one of the spots where a team loses their pick due to being over the cap?

[Fido]

Originally posted by FBPro
A few places in the "draft" area a pick will say "unknown" is that one of the spots where a team loses their pick due to being over the cap? I don't know. I wasn't able to find where that information is stored by FOF, so I reverse engineer it by going through all of the players and filling in the draft baseed off of their data. If nobody is picked in that spot then it will say Unknown, but it will also say that if a player is drafted then retires without playing in a single play. This means that entires that are valid now, may say unknown in the future.

[MizzouRah]

If you play your career a season, then run it again, will it overwrite the old files? ..or do I need to clean the sample folder each time?

Thanks,

Todd

[Fido]

Originally posted by MizzouRah
If you play your career a season, then run it again, will it overwrite the old files? ..or do I need to clean the sample folder each time?

Thanks,

Todd

The reporter does not delete any files in the destination directory. It does overwrite files as needed though. This means that if you run two different save games to the same output directory you'll get a confusing mess. But if you run the same save game twice everything will be fine.

In fact, I'm adding in code right now to reduce the number of files that are regenerated (only active players and only current year) to speed things up, so deleting files would be bad in that case.

[Flasch186]

alrighty, i figured out that you must have upload subfolders checked in front page to upload the files. . . not sure why. However, It is simply too difficult right now make the names match up with all the case sensitivity issues in Comcast's host. Can you somehow make an option or something to have everything lower cased and no spaces use _ instead? As of right now for me its impossible considering the hosts limitations on this stuff. If you want to see my league files or anything theyre at home.comcast.net/~ashmunes

thanks for what looks to be a spectacular program and one that will make FOF even that much better.

[MizzouRah]

Originally posted by Fido
The reporter does not delete any files in the destination directory. It does overwrite files as needed though. This means that if you run two different save games to the same output directory you'll get a confusing mess. But if you run the same save game twice everything will be fine.

In fact, I'm adding in code right now to reduce the number of files that are regenerated (only active players and only current year) to speed things up, so deleting files would be bad in that case.


Thanks! I spent a few hours pouring over stats from my universe. Excellent as usual Fido.


Todd

[cthomer5000]

this is seriously amazing. I let it rip for about an hour, and now i've got everything from my 43 year league.

Question: does it not export player accolades (i.e. First team All-Pro, league's fastest man, etc.)?

Are you considering adding that?

[Fido]

Sorry about the instability of this release. I honestly thought it was much further along than it proved to be.

I spent a good amount of time working on this last night, and have posted a new version (http://www.fidosoft.com/FOF/ ) - 1.6b.

Changes

Soldified method of parsing box scores to eliminate crashes.
Added in code to not crash when Box score or game log file has been deleted.
Added in code to prevent crashes when game logs are not saved.
Fixed problem with passing yards career leaders when they have more than 32767 yards.
Fixed problem with career totals in players page exceeding 32767 yards.
Fixed problem with league transaction page showing only data for one team.
Fixed problem with links in league transaction page not working properly.
Chanegd naming of logos and team pages to convert potentially bad characters to underscores: <space>,",\,/,>,<,),(,|,?,*,:
Changed naming of logos and team pages to make them all lower case.
Added checkbox to only regenerate active players.
Added checkbox to only regenerate current year.
Added new team list template.

[MizzouRah]

The logo file for 1.6 is not working.


Todd

[nuggett]

This is a great utility.... Wondering if something like this will be developed for TCY.

[nuggett]

Link(s) do not work.

[3ric]

Yes, the link(s) do work.

Fido,
one problem I just saw with my own setup using the 1.6 version. I have two careers going, the CFL multi-player league and my historical NFL single-player league. When I run FOFReporter on my NFL league, I get the edited CFL cities instead, which file should I replace to get the default NFL cities? Is it citydata.fdt?

[MizzouRah]

The link for 1.6 works, but the logos link for the new version doesn't on my end.



Todd

[RedKingGold]

Excellent job Fido!

If you are looking for future ideas for updates, here are four I had:

1. Transaction history (already mentioned, possible?)
2. Injury history (see above)
3. Season Awards (This was mentioned in this thread, and would make a worthwhile edition to your fine program)
4. Financial History (Just to tie up the package; examples would be Stadium Info, Ticket Price Data (i.e. price comparison), Franchise Value, and Balance Sheet)

Just a few suggestions, keep up the EXCELLENT work

Saluatations!
Mike

[Fido]

Originally posted by RedKingGold
Excellent job Fido!

If you are looking for future ideas for updates, here are four I had:

1. Transaction history (already mentioned, possible?)
2. Injury history (see above)
3. Season Awards (This was mentioned in this thread, and would make a worthwhile edition to your fine program)
4. Financial History (Just to tie up the package; examples would be Stadium Info, Ticket Price Data (i.e. price comparison), Franchise Value, and Balance Sheet)

Just a few suggestions, keep up the EXCELLENT work

Saluatations!
Mike

In response to your list:
1) I'm planning on doing this (and adding something to players - probably a sub page sincethe existing page is getting large), but definately in a future release.
2) Not going to happen unless Jim aqgrees to store the information. Its just too much work in the program (detecting when players have been injured) and for the user(having to run the reporter after every game) to implement without help from Jim. Hopefully he'll like my suggestion to add "serious" injuries to the transaction log at which point this becomes easy.
3) coming soon (see below). I have identified all of the data I need, I just need to create the templates and parser functions. 1.7 (maybe).
4) I'll be adding that in too. I'm just not sure I ever found teh specific data anywhere in the file. I know I found most of it, but if I don't know all of it, its really not worth adding.

FYI - this is my list of things to add (in approximate order)
1 - FTP uploading. Confirurable on a save game by save game basis, the code will optionally automatically upload the generated files to a ftp site. This will be beneficial for MP leagues. You can generate the reports and go to bed. The html pages will be generated and then uploaded to the site automatically.
2- Error reporting tool - a second utility which will zip up all of the files relating to a given league and ftp them (using above) to a support ftp site and include a description of the problem.
3 - City Switching utility - a nother new utility which will provide an easy interface for switching out city names/team nicknames files. User will be able to select a set from a list and that will be applied.
4 - Incorporate above into FOF Reporter so that the switch is automatic.
5 - Team stats - season by season team data data page for each team
6 - Team recordbooks - containing all of the records that pertain to teams
7 - Transaction tracking.
8 - Player Awards
9 - player accomplishments - rings won, awards won, times placed in league top 10 for all categories

That's enough to list for now. Geting to be a daunting list

[RendeR]

Couple questions:


A: Does this work with FOF4, or only FOF2k4?

B: I took a shot at installing it and I just get an Error, and it never loads. (running on XP, lots of space and RAM)

C: if the answer to A is only FOF2k4 is there any chance of you making one for FOF4, for those of us too broke or too busy to buy a newer version?


Thanks!

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Fido
1 - FTP uploading. Confirurable on a save game by save game basis, the code will optionally automatically upload the generated files to a ftp site. This will be beneficial for MP leagues. You can generate the reports and go to bed. The html pages will be generated and then uploaded to the site automatically.
2- Error reporting tool - a second utility which will zip up all of the files relating to a given league and ftp them (using above) to a support ftp site and include a description of the problem.
3 - City Switching utility - a nother new utility which will provide an easy interface for switching out city names/team nicknames files. User will be able to select a set from a list and that will be applied.
4 - Incorporate above into FOF Reporter so that the switch is automatic.
5 - Team stats - season by season team data data page for each team
6 - Team recordbooks - containing all of the records that pertain to teams
7 - Transaction tracking.
8 - Player Awards
9 - player accomplishments - rings won, awards won, times placed in league top 10 for all categories

That's enough to list for now. Geting to be a daunting list Uh....Gotta print this off and run to the bathroom.






Now, where did I put my Kleenexes???

[Fido]

Originally posted by RendeR
Couple questions:


A: Does this work with FOF4, or only FOF2k4?

B: I took a shot at installing it and I just get an Error, and it never loads. (running on XP, lots of space and RAM)

C: if the answer to A is only FOF2k4 is there any chance of you making one for FOF4, for those of us too broke or too busy to buy a newer version?


Thanks!

Answers:
A: FOF2K4 only
B: Was this a question? What error were you getting?
C: There'a a 0% chance. I don't own FOF4, and I can't see investing the time and effort into making a utility for an obsolete piece of software.

[RendeR]

Thanks for the response, no worries, I'll live without the utility or someday I'll have enough cash to pick up 2k4


great work.

[Senator]

Fido,

Check out http://www.braindeposit.com/Sample/index.htm

That is version 1.5. The career pasing records are skewed. I downloaded the latest version, and the career record is 29,000, which is, of course wrong.

The real number is 62,000. If you look at the player it is correct, but the career records report in wrong.

Hope this made sense.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by RedKingGold
4. Financial History (Just to tie up the package; examples would be Stadium Info, Ticket Price Data (i.e. price comparison), Franchise Value, and Balance Sheet)

If there is any way it could pull individual contract info, that would be amazing. Then we could track things like "all-time top money earners," and stuff like that.

[Flasch186]

Fido

if you get FTP uploading in this program at all you will make this game a $150 game and should get a cut of the profits. honestly how will anyone ever buy a different type of football sim.....everything FOF already has, then your utility and on top of that the Unbelievable, reminds me of FBPRO when it was good, stat uploader. unreal, i cant wait

ps thanks for the filename stuff, i want to believe you did that for me hence on the website (USFL) it will be titled FIDO's USFL Universe, props are due. If you didnt do it specifically for me, dont say and let me believe it anyways :)


unreal

[Scoobz0202]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
If there is any way it could pull individual contract info, that would be amazing. Then we could track things like "all-time top money earners," and stuff like that.

Cool idea


Btw, thanks a lot Fido. I just downloaded and opened my 3 year Falcons dynasty and I am just amazed at how much info it shows me.. Thanks a lot.

[Scoobz0202]

dola-

For the roster screen...would it be out of the question to order the players not by their # but by their position? Like all the QB's, then the RB's.. Anybody else agree?

[Ramzavail]

Originally posted by Fido
http://fidosoft.com/FOF/

You'll want the NFL Logo Pack "utility"

I tried to download them, the 1.6+ logo file and its not there.

[FBPro]

I just d/l and installed it.

[Flasch186]

the pictures on that teams page, which is awesome, doesnt show stuff like, Fargo_nd) or Columbus_oh) I'm assuming its becuase of maybe the ) at the end. not sure? great work.

[Fido]

To avoid dolas and to keep my post count low like I like it, here's a bulk response.

Originally posted by SkyDog
Uh....Gotta print this off and run to the bathroom.



Now, where did I put my Kleenexes???

EWWWWWWWWWWWWW. TMI

Originally posted by Senator

That is version 1.5. The career pasing records are skewed. I downloaded the latest version, and the career record is 29,000, which is, of course wrong.

The real number is 62,000. If you look at the player it is correct, but the career records report in wrong.

Hope this made sense.

Yeah it does make sense, and it really doesn't surprise me all that much. I know I said it was fixed, but I wasn't confident in the fix, mainly because I got it working, but didn't really understand the reasoning befind why my fix worked.

Originally posted by cthomer5000
If there is any way it could pull individual contract info, that would be amazing. Then we could track things like "all-time top money earners," and stuff like that. I'll add that to my "maybe" list. The "all-time top money earners" that is, and I guve it a maybe simply because I dont see a lot of use to it. Neat maybe, but there's a lot more useful information that coudl be displayed first. Contract info is already there (players page and team roster page).

Originally posted by Flasch186
if you get FTP uploading in this program at all you will make this game a $150 game and should get a cut of the profits. honestly how will anyone ever buy a different type of football sim.....everything FOF already has, then your utility and on top of that the Unbelievable, reminds me of FBPRO when it was good, stat uploader. unreal, i cant wait

If??? IF I get it working??? Damn no faith in me. Don't you read some of these posts??? I'm da man. You meant when you get it done, right?

(Its already written by the way - I'm just testing it out now)

Originally posted by Flasch186
ps thanks for the filename stuff, i want to believe you did that for me hence on the website (USFL) it will be titled FIDO's USFL Universe, props are due. If you didnt do it specifically for me, dont say and let me believe it anyways :)

Sorry to disappoint, but I did it to make the program better (ok, and to shut you up, how's that :D). It was a result of your problems, but not specifically for you. You brought it to my attention that it was a potential problem, so I fixed it.

Originally posted by Scoobz0202
For the roster screen...would it be out of the question to order the players not by their # but by their position? Like all the QB's, then the RB's.. Anybody else agree?

I tried this like three different ways when I was designing it, and that was the way that I thought would be most useful. If people want it by position instead I can change it though.

Originally posted by Flasch186
the pictures on that teams page, which is awesome, doesnt show stuff like, Fargo_nd) or Columbus_oh) I'm assuming its becuase of maybe the ) at the end. not sure? great work.

or maybe because you're naming the files wrong. They need to be fargo_nd_.gif anf columbus_oh_.gif

All lowercase
( and ) converted to underscores
note if there's a space in there (ir Fargo (nd).gif) then that will need an underscore too.

[Easy Mac]

FIdo, is there any way you could make a limit to files that allows us to split up different html groupings into more folders?

What I mean is, my school only allows 1792 files per folder for a webpage (not sure why, thats just what it tops out at). There are about 5600 player htmls in my current career. Is there anyway when I make to exports it could be set up to split folders into like players1, players2... and have the links work correctly.

If this is too much work or impossible, I understand.

Thanks for a great utility though.

[RedKingGold]

Fido, I'm running out of things to suggest to add.

If there is such a thing as a perfect computer game/program/software, you may be possibly getting to it.

I know I'm brown nosing a little bit, but your utility is like not getting anything you want for ten straight christmas's and then waking up on Easter day to see not only everything you ever wanted but everything you ever will want in your easter basket

If that made any sense

Kudos to Fido!,
Mike

[Easy Mac]

Also, is there any way of listing player's scout ratings on the roster page, or have a separate page for that. I'm pretty sure you've said before that the game uses real ratings in the file but masks them in-game or something.

But what if we printed the ratings to file? Could you parse that for us? I just mean the main scout ratings. Once again, if not, no big deal, I love this neat almanac... It doesn't stress my system by trying to look at the career leaders like FOF2k4 does.

[Flasch186]

bastahd!!!


yeah, i think its the ( ) around the state which i assume you're telling me to drop those? um, so there replaced with nothing? so ie. fargo_ND_.gif ? instead of fargo (ND).gif am i on the right track?

[Fido]

Originally posted by Flasch186
bastahd!!!


yeah, i think its the ( ) around the state which i assume you're telling me to drop those? um, so there replaced with nothing? so ie. fargo_ND_.gif ? instead of fargo (ND).gif am i on the right track?

close.

fargo__nd_.gif

No uppercase.
replace all spaces and parenthensis with underscores (so you need two in a row).

[Ben E Lou]

Fido:

Two little things:

1. Perhaps list the year they were drafted.
2. Undrafted FA's are listed as follows: Drafted: Pick 0 of round 0 (-32 overall) by Arizona

[Ben E Lou]

Dola--

Is there any need now for Jim's promised HTML add-on?

[Alf]

Impressive as usual !

[Fido]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Fido:

Two little things:

1. Perhaps list the year they were drafted.
2. Undrafted FA's are listed as follows:

I assume you're talking about the player pages here...
I do remember seeing the -32. Thought I had fixed it but apparently not.

Originally posted by SkyDog
Is there any need now for Jim's promised HTML add-on? You mean besides seeing how I stack up against Da man?:)

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Fido
I assume you're talking about the player pages here...
I do remember seeing the -32. Thought I had fixed it but apparently not.

You mean besides seeing how I stack up against Da man?:)

1. Yes, player pages. Sorry.

2. I think the output I was looking at was with 1.5b, so it may have been fixed in the next version.

3. Well, what I was specifically getting at is that if your utility ends up being as good as it looks like it is going to be, I'd rather see Jim focused 100% on the tweaks and issues mentioned in that thread (assuming it comes down to a matter of him having a finite amount of time before he begins work on his next project).

[Ben E Lou]

Oh...little thing.

Icon creating doesn't work, at least I don't think..

[MizzouRah]

Originally posted by MizzouRah
The link for 1.6 works, but the logos link for the new version doesn't on my end.



Todd


Working just fine now.


Todd

[Fido]

Originally posted by SkyDog
1. Yes, player pages. Sorry.


No need to be sorry. I was pretty sure that you meant player pagem, but I wanted to be positive before I began looking into it.

Originally posted by SkyDog

2. I think the output I was looking at was with 1.5b, so it may have been fixed in the next version.


Nope. I didn't go anywhere near that code for 1.6.

Originally posted by SkyDog

3. Well, what I was specifically getting at is that if your utility ends up being as good as it looks like it is going to be, I'd rather see Jim focused 100% on the tweaks and issues mentioned in that thread (assuming it comes down to a matter of him having a finite amount of time before he begins work on his next project).

Maybe you should suggest that to him. He seems to hold you in pretty high regard, and maybe he'd consider it if it was coming from you. Coming from me its going to be biased - of course I'll say that my utility is the bomb every utility writer I know of thinks that.
Originally posted by SkyDog
Oh...little thing.

Icon creating doesn't work,

Now you've lost me. What icons are you talking about here?

Originally posted by MizzouRah
Working just fine now. Yeah...its funnk how much better a download will work when you actually upload the file to the server first :mad:

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Fido
Now you've lost me. What icons are you talking about here?When installing, it asks if you want to disable icon creation. I assume this means creating an icon in a "Program Files" folder. It doesn't put it in program files. No big deal to me, as I've put an icon in my quick-start bar at the bottom, but I just thought you'd want to know.

[Fido]

Originally posted by SkyDog
When installing, it asks if you want to disable icon creation. I assume this means creating an icon in a "Program Files" folder. It doesn't put it in program files. No big deal to me, as I've put an icon in my quick-start bar at the bottom, but I just thought you'd want to know. Could be because I'm using a cheesy, free installation generation program. No idea what's going on with it, but I'll try to figure it out.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Just downloaded version 1.6.

What can I say Fido, this is your masterpiece ! Simply awesome...

And yes, just call me a fanboy... :p

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Fido
Could be because I'm using a cheesy, free installation generation program. No idea what's going on with it, but I'll try to figure it out. I'd put that pretty low on the priority list. Obviously no one else has even bothered to bring it up. :p

Call me a fanboy too.

[RedKingGold]

Tissues in hand, check!

Any word on update 1.7???

I can dare to dream can't I?

[Eaglesfan27]

This is something I'm definitely proud to be a fanboy of ;)

Edited to add: This program has added a LOT of enjoyment to a game that I already found very enjoyable.

[Fido]

Fanboys??? I hame fanboys? What is the world coming to?

Hmmm if I this keeps up I might wind up with a spiffy post count title like some people have. :)

[Fido]

Originally posted by RedKingGold
Tissues in hand, check!

Any word on update 1.7???

I can dare to dream can't I?

When its ready is all I can say. I'm not going to make any commitments because I can't quite tell what my free time is going be like in the next few weeks.

However, if certain users wanted to see an advance copy I would gladly send it to them (That would be you EaglesFan :))

[yabanci]

Hi Fido, I downloaded this last night (1.6b) to try with my solo league. I have three saved games (2003 end of season, 2004 end of season, and my current save, which is in preseason 2005). I ran the program and got error messages for my game logs. I clicked no to get past them and in the end my browser (Mozilla 1.5) opened but none of my league data was there. So I tried to open my 2004 end of season save and it seemed to work fine. I could see the standings, leaders, etc. But whenever I try to do it with my current save I only get the empty template. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, but I don't know what. Any ideas?

[Fido]

Originally posted by RedKingGold


Well...here's my list of things to put in and how they stand:

Originally posted by Fido
[b]1 - FTP uploading. Confirurable on a save game by save game basis, the code will optionally automatically upload the generated files to a ftp site. This will be beneficial for MP leagues. You can generate the reports and go to bed. The html pages will be generated and then uploaded to the site automatically. Done!
2- Error reporting tool - a second utility which will zip up all of the files relating to a given league and ftp them (using above) to a support ftp site and include a description of the problem.Done!
3 - City Switching utility - a nother new utility which will provide an easy interface for switching out city names/team nicknames files. User will be able to select a set from a list and that will be applied.
4 - Incorporate above into FOF Reporter so that the switch is automatic.
5 - Team stats - season by season team data data page for each team
6 - Team recordbooks - containing all of the records that pertain to teams
7 - Transaction tracking.
8 - Player Awards Done!
9 - player accomplishments - rings won, awards won, times placed in league top 10 for all categories 2/3 done (no "times in top 10" yet)


I've also added in a college draft picks page which lists all of the colleges and how many players have been drafted and how many in each round. (not on the list, but I was curious)

I think I want ot get through #5 and #6 too, since I don't have a lot of crashing/not working issues to deal with.

[MizzouRah]

Simply unreal.....



Todd

[GoSeahawks]

I gotta say this utility makes FOF so much more enjoyable. That's saying a lot since I play FOF every day as it is. Thanks a lot for your work Fido. It is really appriciated.

[Ben E Lou]

now that this had made it through a full work-day stickied...un-stick

[sjshaw]

Fido,

In honor of your utility, I'd like to share a little bit of FOBL/FOFL love with you...

ungh ungh ungh ungh

You so rule.

[RedKingGold]

bump

[Chappy]

Every time I start it up and try and do anything, it crashes on me. Any idea why? I'm using Windows 2000.

[Alf]

bump

[tucker342]

Fido, you are awesome!:D

[gabeschw]

The download link for 1.6 isn't working. I did manage to download 1.5 just to give it a try, and it's terrific. FOF2004 lets you access more league history stuff than in previous versions, but I've always wanted to go back and see draft picks and league leaders from previous years, and now I can. Thanks, Fido!

[RedKingGold]

Any word on an update???

How are the beta testers doing??

:D

[Fido]

Originally posted by gabeschw
The download link for 1.6 isn't working.
I know.

Originally posted by gabeschw
I did manage to download 1.5 just to give it a try, and it's terrific.
Have to fix that.

Originally posted by RedKingGold
Any word on an update???

I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Senator]

Fido is cocky AND funny. A rare combination.

[Fido]

Originally posted by Senator
Fido is cocky AND funny. A rare combination.

:mad: That's low.

Especially since my comments were intended to be neither. FOF Reporter is currently in a state of unavailability and whether or not it comes back at this point in time in uncertain. My post was meant to insinuate that without habing to come out and say it.

[Senator]

That was no slam towards you Fido, I assure you.

[RedKingGold]

Wha????,....

What happened????

:eek:

:(

[3ric]

Bump.

[RedKingGold]

Bump Again

Fido,...is anything going on with this????

[Buccaneer]

I see smoky rooms.

[Fido]

Bump Again

Fido,...is anything going on with this????

It died from lack of interest.

[Buccaneer]

What kind of interest are you aiming for?

[Fido]

It just seemed like the general consensus was that it was good enough and borderline unweildy (size of output) so anything I added would simply make that worse and not add any benefit.

[GoSeahawks]

It just seemed like the general consensus was that it was good enough and borderline unweildy (size of output) so anything I added would simply make that worse and not add any benefit.
When did this general consensus come about? I was personally looking very forward to the update.
Were there issues in the beta testing?

[FBPro]

I would agree that enhancing this as much as you feel like you can would be great, maybe an option to "turn off" certain options would be good for those w/ the feeling that files were too large.

[Grid Iron]

It just seemed like the general consensus was that it was good enough and borderline unweildy (size of output) so anything I added would simply make that worse and not add any benefit.

FOF Reporter is, by far, the greatest FOF utility ever created. Nonetheless, all of your proposed improvements listed earlier in the thread will make it even better! Damn the size of output, I've got gigs upon gigs!

Truth be told, FOF Reporter was the reason I decided to finally cut the cord from ol' FOF2 just a couple weeks ago!

Anyway, I think I speak on behalf of the entire community when I humbly ask you to reconsider and finish your masterpiece. :)

[FBPro]

Agreed, this utility just continues to draw me further and further into the game. PLEASE continue to update it. :)

[Eaglesfan27]

I'd respect whatever decision you make Fido, but I hope you continue to work on this wonderful utility.

[nuggett]

CONTINUE! Please.......

[Icy]

Fido, you created a great tool, please don't let it die. You could add all the options that you want, then just add some check boxes to allow the user to use that new features or not.
Whatever decision you make you will keep being our mods "god" and you could be really proud, we are really happy of having you on this community as you have added a lot of fun to the games that we already love.

[Kokoshin]

Fido, you created a great tool, please don't let it die. You could add all the options that you want, then just add some check boxes to allow the user to use that new features or not.
Whatever decision you make you will keep being our mods "god" and you could be really proud, we are really happy of having you on this community as you have added a lot of fun to the games that we already love.
Agreed. You added another excellent dimension to an already excellent game, which make FOF extremely enjoyable.

Whatever your final say on this matter, we'll respect it.

K.

[Ben E Lou]

I would LOVE to see continued upgrades to this utility Fido.

[RedKingGold]

Fido,....how many more posts do you need. I think the reason we weren't making many new suggestions is because we didn't want to bug you down with impossibles. We also understand how complicated it is to make this utility, and we don't want to be too demanding (a.k.a. .400 studios supporters).

I didn't post cause I figured you were hard at work. But if it is support you need,...support you got my brotha!!!!

Please keep working on this amazing utility.

You have made FOF2004 fun!!!!

Mike

[Fido]

Huh. Looks like my assessment of interest may have been off slightly. Now I feel the need to defned myself somewhat.

When did this general consensus come about? I was personally looking very forward to the update.

The consesnus was drawn from comissioners of online leagues that I had been in contact with. For a while I was atively searching for someone who would let me use this utility on their league and even host the files, just to find any problems with it, get usability feedback, and demonstrate what it was really capable of. I love this probram, but it is somewhat disheartening to know that people are vastly underutilizing it. Maybe its because I haven't adequately conveyed the features, maybe its because people just aren't interrested in changing from the way I did it.

Were there issues in the beta testing?

There was no beta testing. I said it was released to my prerelease list. That is something completely different from beta. Its more of a "give the version to the paying customers before the general populace gets it for free". This is something that I am going to continue to do, and, therefore I will not release 1.7 until I have 1.8 done and distributed to a select few.
[edited to remove potential plug]

FOF Reporter is, by far, the greatest FOF utility ever created. Nonetheless, all of your proposed improvements listed earlier in the thread will make it even better!
I would argue with that. There are a bunch of brilliant utilities out there that just never seemed to get the same spotlight that this has gotten. Just to name a few:

Heavy Reign's League Generator
Wheel's Game planner
VPI's FOF Almanac
3ric's Game viewer

These could all also beein in the top spot, and they all blazed new ground. FOF Reporter was the third HTML utility to be released - hardly a killer app that fills a needed hole. Its overall lifespan is limited as well, since Jim is addng in HTML generation directly into the game, the need for this kind of utility will be greatly reduced.


Damn the size of output, I've got gigs upon gigs!
Locally, yeah we all do. But this was initially designed for online leagues. I openly admit that I vastly underestimated the number of users who would use this locally, since 90% of what I display is readilly available in the game (and oodles of what is in the game is not available in my utility). However the greatest use of this utility (or in th enext generationthat I may be getting help with) will be with online leagues.

Anyway, I think I speak on behalf of the entire community when I humbly ask you to reconsider and finish your masterpiece. :)

It will probably never be finished. There's one major thing that I really want to add, but also don't want to figure out - how the scouts apply to the player ratings so that the bars could be displayed on the player pages. I spent literally a month of all of my free time working this out for TCY, and do not want to go through that again.

Fido, you created a great tool, please don't let it die. You could add all the options that you want, then just add some check boxes to allow the user to use that new features or not.
Its already there. If you don't want player cards generated, then exclude that template from the list.

Fido,....how many more posts do you need.
6 (I don't know...first number I thought of to answer your question ;))

I think the reason we weren't making many new suggestions is because we didn't want to bug you down with impossibles. We also understand how complicated it is to make this utility, and we don't want to be too demanding (a.k.a. .400 studios supporters).

But I [b]wanted suggestions and enhancement requests. I have pretty much gotten to the end of the list of things that I wanted to see in it so am faced with nothing left to do. Without knowing what users want to see in it it can't progress. People don't hesitate to complain when it doesn't work quite right (one example is the newbie who posted 2 or 3 messages, sent me 4 PMs, and 5 e-mails because he was getting crashes.) When the oinly concrete feedback you hear is negative (I'm omitting the "awesome", "you rock", and leg humping posts because they're not concrete) it gets discouraging and leads you to think that people just don't care.

I didn't post cause I figured you were hard at work. But if it is support you need,...support you got my brotha!!!!

Please keep working on this amazing utility.


Just to use you as an example, since you brought it up. This is not really support - its praise. While nice, praise does not help to advance the utility. Something like "I love the player pages, but you could make them even cooler by adding in a second or third plot to the graph which would be the league average or league leader in the displayed category for that year so we can see how the numbers stack up against the league." (I use that example because I broughtit up once before and got 0 reaction to it so I scrapped the idea).



You have made FOF2004 fun!!!!


Oh and just for the record, comments like this make my skin crawl. I didn't make FOF2004 fun - Jim did. Its his game, his engine, his data. All that I am doing is displaying it in a different way. Take away his work and you're left with a bunch of blank pages.

[3ric]

I have a suggestion. Maybe it's better suited for an entirely new, separate utility, but I would like to have a "roster" of the coaches/scouts to be able to find the one I need to hire and not have to click through everyone not under a contract.

[Eaglesfan27]

I somehow missed your mention of the idea to have a second or third graph plot showing how players compare to the league average and/or the top guy. I think that is a good idea. One small suggestion I have would be to include tackle percentage for defensive players as this is something I like to use in comparing players.

[Fido]

I somehow missed your mention of the idea to have a second or third graph plot showing how players compare to the league average and/or the top guy.

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=18718
End of the first post :)

I think that is a good idea. One small suggestion I have would be to include tackle percentage for defensive players as this is something I like to use in comparing players.

You can expect that in 1.8

I have a suggestion. Maybe it's better suited for an entirely new, separate utility, but I would like to have a "roster" of the coaches/scouts to be able to find the one I need to hire and not have to click through everyone not under a contract.

I can look into it, but it may take some time, since I will have to decipher that part of the fga file (I know where the data is right now but have no idea what any of it means).

[Eaglesfan27]

Thanks for pointing that out. I will have to re-read that thread. :)

[GoSeahawks]

The consesnus was drawn from comissioners of online leagues that I had been in contact with. For a while I was atively searching for someone who would let me use this utility on their league and even host the files, just to find any problems with it, get usability feedback, and demonstrate what it was really capable of. I love this probram, but it is somewhat disheartening to know that people are vastly underutilizing it. Maybe its because I haven't adequately conveyed the features, maybe its because people just aren't interrested in changing from the way I did it.
The problem with online leagues is that most of them don't last more than a couple seasons. I would imagine FOF Reporters main appeal would be for solo players. The one's with 20+ years of history that love looking up old statistics.
You say that you want concrete feedback, but FOF Reporter works seamlessly for me. So it leaves me with little to do but praise you . Plus you had a to do list, and myself like many others here didn't feel it was the right time to make suggestions.

[Grid Iron]

You can expect that in 1.8

Whoo Hoo! 1.8, baby! Best news I've heard all day!

[Fido]

Whoo Hoo! 1.8, baby! Best news I've heard all day!
And you can expect to see 1.7 when he sees 1.8 :p

Being special has its benefits.

[Grid Iron]

A stat that would be nice is to have a breakdown of made fieldgoals by distance. 1-19,20-29,30-39,40-49,50+.

I pulled this quote from another thread. If Jim doesn't add this to the game, it would be a great addition to the FOF Reporter some day.

[RedKingGold]

I have made suggestions in the past about ways to improve the utility. Ideas such as the personal transaction history and the transaction screen, etc., etc.

Anyway, I have no idea at all about programming, which is why this utility is so fantastic to me. As fanboyish as my opinions are, they are my opinions and I stand by them.

I'll tell you the truth. When FOF2004 was released, I played it for about 3 weeks, but became frustrated because it is very hard to develop a history for a league/universe one is creating. Not just in FOF2004 but in many games. I actually keep notebooks and write transactions, injuries, drafts, etc. in console games I play like Madden, and WSB, because I find it fun to jump away from the computer for a little bit (by printing out the information), and actually read or discover amazing things that happened in my universe that I did not noticed because I was too wrapped up with my team. That was the draw to computer games for me, less writing and less chance for my hand to hurt from keeping statistics, history etc. Unfortunately, few game developers realize this concept (others are catching on board with the Almanac in OOTP for example).

My point in this post is that your utility genunienly makes this game more fun for me and for other people. That should be apparent from the responses posted here. The reason I did not give "support" as you stated is because the requests I had were not included yet. When the new version comes out (if it comes out) rest assured more things will be seen that could possibly be added.

Lastly, I notice a lot that you are very willing to humble yourself in front of the posters on this board. I give you credit for being respectful for Jim and other programmers out there, but there are people out there who admire the work you have done too. You have obviously spent much time on this utility, and I, for one, respect and thank you for sharing your work with everyone on the board. That is why I don't want to sound like criticizing or disrespecting, but the fact is,...I cannot do what you have done, and I genuinely respect the effort you put in.

People don't like reading long posts like this, which is why I often post the "You Rulz!", or "Awesome work" unless I have something specific to ask or request. That being said, if you want more detail, that is a valid request.

Lastly, feel free to continue the hard work your are doing. I, and I'm sure many others, really appreciate sharing this application with the rest of the community. It is welcomed and respected.

Thanks,
Mike

[Fido]

I pulled this quote from another thread. If Jim doesn't add this to the game, it would be a great addition to the FOF Reporter some day.

It woudl be REALLY nice. It woudl also be a bear. I considered this for a while but realized that it was ust too much, since it would involve:


Parsing all of the boxscores or game logs to determine the length of every FG attempt and FG made
Somehow linking the kickers back to their record in the player file. Easy if they are on the same team - very difficult if they are not.
Dealing with the other requests that would come from it - Passing breakdowns by yards, rushing breakdowns by yards, QB efficiency by down, and the host of other stats that Jim does not save in game.

[Easy Mac]

Fido, you probably already know about the following statistical errors, but I didn't notice them in this thread (1.6b).

The career passing yards are still wrong for the top players. A guy has 44136, but it lists 9896 in the passing leader chart.

Also, on the season leader chart it has points scored. It is rewarding 12 points for a TD instead of 6.

Anyway, thank you for the great utility.

[Smith]

Would it be possible to add game log information to the player page in dynamic HTML similar to what you've done with the team page? I realize this would add a massive amount of data and probably significantly prolong the processing, but it would be fascinating to have direct access to that information.

Thank you for an already great utility that's added a lot of enjoyment to FOF for me.

[3ric]

Can awards, such as "Defensive Player of the year" be displayed on the player pages?

[Fido]

Fido, you probably already know about the following statistical errors, but I didn't notice them in this thread (1.6b).

The career passing yards are still wrong for the top players. A guy has 44136, but it lists 9896 in the passing leader chart.
Yup. Anyone over 32767 or so will display incorrectly. I just can't seem to figure out how Jim is storing that data, but I fully plan to. Look for this to be fixed in 1.8.

Also, on the season leader chart it has points scored. It is rewarding 12 points for a TD instead of 6.
Hey...you want to use my utility, then you'll play by my rules :)

This is actually the first time I've heard of this one, so you win a prize...um...let;s see what I have...oooh a half eaten pop-tart. Just let me know where to send it.


Would it be possible to add game log information to the player page in dynamic HTML similar to what you've done with the team page? I realize this would add a massive amount of data and probably significantly prolong the processing, but it would be fascinating to have direct access to that information.
Here's a little tip about programming - anything is possible. Its just a matter of if I want to spend the ttime it would take to add it in. Since I am completely unsure just what you mean by DHTML Game log information, I just can't make that assessment.

Can awards, such as "Defensive Player of the year" be displayed on the player pages?
Ah you poor thing stuck with 1.6. 1.7 already adds this to the bottom of the page (and to the draft history. It also adds the following awards to the player cards:
Legend of the Game
MVP
Superbowl MVP (I think)
Championship Rings won
Offensive Player of the year
Defensive Player of the year
Offensive Rookie of the Year
Defensive Rookie of the year
Years placed in top 10 in league in all stat categories

All are on their oen line and list the award followed by a csv list of years won.

[Fido]

Now its time for a rant....

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<RANT>
For those of you who seem to think its ok to PM or e-mail me to report a bug that is happening on your system, stop. Post bugs here, start a new thread for them or use the puny message board that is on the download site. What would lead you to think that you are deserving of special teratment and personal assistance through a PM? There are only 4 people entitled to that kind of treatment right now (SkyDog, Eaglesfan27, FBPro, and Easy Mac). They've all done things to deserve special treatment and will receive it.

I stopped development on TCY Helper twice now because of the pestering e-mails and PMs I was getting, and almost killed this for (partially) the same reasons. You need to realize that this is free software. I am not making a living at this, I have a life, a job, and a family. I will address issues and add things as time permits (luckily my SWMBO has gotten into scrapbooking lately which occupies hours upon hours of her time). That's the way it is, and I'm not going to change things. If you don't like it, then you can take your business elsewhere, I'm just trying to help out the community by providing a free, useful utility. If you don't like the way I do things, then write your own utility.

From now on, if you are not on that list send me an unsolicited PM or e-mail reporting a bug, I am going to intentionally not fix it. SO you will be completely wasting your time.
</RANT>
&lt;/rant>
<RANT>

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

[Grid Iron]

[QUOTE=Fido]
Ah you poor thing stuck with 1.6. 1.7 already adds this to the bottom of the page and to the draft history.
[QUOTE]

1.7 is not yet available yet for D/L, correct?

[Fido]

Ah you poor thing stuck with 1.6. 1.7 already adds this to the bottom of the page and to the draft history.

1.7 is not yet available yet for D/L, correct?
Only to the special people. They get a version ahead of everyone else. So you'll get 1.7 when they get 1.8.

Like I said - its how I've decided to do things...if you don't like it then :p

[Senator]

/changes name to FBPro

[3ric]

Another thing I discovered. I don't have FOF2k4 installed on my work computer (surprise, the company don't want us to play games during work hours - doh!) but I figured I could install FOFreporter and extract the latest CFL multiplayer zip file into a directory and run the Reporter on those files.

Nice idea, but it doesn't work as the Reporter crashes as I click on the "load game" button, and I didn't get a log file to post either... This isn't something that's easy to fix, really?

[Fido]

Another thing I discovered. I don't have FOF2k4 installed on my work computer (surprise, the company don't want us to play games during work hours - doh!) but I figured I could install FOFreporter and extract the latest CFL multiplayer zip file into a directory and run the Reporter on those files.

Nice idea, but it don't work as the Reporter crashes as I click on the "load game" button, and I didn't get a log file to post either...
It requires FOF to be installed on the computer you are running it on (this was actually a special request from the head of your IT department).

That being said, I'll PM you the way around it.

[3ric]

I got your PM, thanks. But I couldn't get it to work despite your tip, it isn't a big deal really.

[nuggett]

Just curious to the timeframe of 1.7... Not sure if this has been answered... if so sorry...

[GoSeahawks]

Just curious to the timeframe of 1.7... Not sure if this has been answered... if so sorry...
I think he said that he was gong to finish 1.8 before a release.

[FBPro]

/changes name to FBPro


Impostor..... :eek:

[j25352857]

I'm having a problem... maybe someone has an idea of how to fix it. I'm running a multiplayer league, but when I run the FOF reporter (version 1.6), it does not export any game logs or boxscores. I did not have this problem when exporting a single player game, so I'm wondering if there's a fix for this? Thanks in advance.

[The_herd]

I am getting a run-time error, abnormal program termination, when I hit the "generate" button.

Anyone know how I can fix this error?

The last line in my FOFreporter.log is 00000552. I tried moving that box score out of the universe to see what happens, same error, but the last line is 00000553.