Pete Rose to admit Betting

[Airhog]

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/6975907


Rose reportedly admits in book to betting on baseball
Jan. 3, 2004
SportsLine.com wire reports

PHILADELPHIA -- Pete Rose admits in his upcoming autobiography he gambled on baseball, The Philadelphia Inquirer reported Saturday.

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The newspaper cited an unidentified source who was briefed on the book.

The New York Times, citing a source in major league baseball, reported Wednesday that Rose admitted to betting on baseball at a meeting with commissioner Bud Selig.

Rodale Inc., which is publishing My Prison Without Bars, said the book will go on sale Thursday. Cathy Gruhn, publicist for the Emmaus publishing company, declined to comment to the Inquirer on the book's contents.

Selig did not comment Friday to the Inquirer. However, the newspaper reported Saturday that sources close to Selig said he has not made a decision about Rose's application for reinstatement, and any missteps in the book could cost Rose.

Rose's ban from baseball prevents him from being eligible for the Hall of Fame. Some observers believe he would have to confess to gambling on baseball as a condition for possible reinstatement.

Following a six-month investigation, Rose was banned from the sport for life in August 1989 by then-commissioner Bart Giamatti. Despite agreeing to the ban, the game's career hits leader has steadfastly denied betting on baseball while he was manager of the Cincinnati Reds.

Rose applied for reinstatement in 1997 and met with Selig in November 2002 to press his case. The Times said Rose acknowledged betting on baseball at that meeting.

Selig's top deputy, chief operating officer Bob DuPuy, has talked several times with Rose's representatives.

[bosshogg23]

At least now we wont have to hear about his potential reinstatement every year.

Maybe Joe Jackson's potential reinstatement gets a boost from this as well.....Judge Landis is turning in his grave.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Who cares.

It is like Eminem admitting he's white. Big whoop.

[Ksyrup]

As I mentioned in the other thread that I bumped from a few months back when Baseball Prospectus reported all of this, I'm really impressed that Rob Neyer figured it all out. Or maybe he had inside info and pretended to piece the puzzle together. But he was on this story 3 weeks before it became a story.

[Buccaneer]

It would be a lifelong dream of mine to see Pete Rose in the HOF. Don't think he should be a manager again though.

[bosshogg23]

I remember reading the Neyer article when it was published. I didnt think anything of it......hell I dont think much of his predictions in general. He makes a few predictions per column so most are wrong, despite the fact that they are based on logic(generally).

It certainly seems he nailed this one. Guess is also justifies BP.com for their piece that was trashed(CBS Sportsline).

Its kinda like a car wreck the way it has happened though. Why should it take 18 months from Rose admitting to Selig for this to occur.

[The_herd]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
Don't think he should be a manager again though.

He wasn't a very good one to begin with, so I don't think it will happen any time soon.

I've also been hoping to see him in the Hall. One, because he belongs there, Shoeless Joe also. Two, so he'll stop his annual autograph signing outside of Cooperstown.

[Abe Sargent]

If Pete Rose gets reinstated, I'll lose all respect for baseball.....

Oh wait, I already have.



-Anxiety

[Taur]

Could someone with a little Rose knowledge please bust a hole in my arguement.

I have always stated that Pete Rose the player should be allowed in the Hall because he never bet on Baseball. Pete Rose the manager should be banned from baseball for life for betting on baseball.

How many Hall of famers have been arrested for all kinds of crimes after their playing days, but have never been banned or removed from their hall of fames?

If you can be inducted into the Hall of fame as a Player, a Manager, or a Owner; then you should also be banned from the Hall as a Player, A Coach, or a Owner.

[GrantDawg]

If he admits to betting on baseball and expresses true remorse I have no problem letting him in the Hall. Like most in this country, I'm willing to forgive (if not necessarily forget) as long as you make a complete confession and take responsibility for your actions.

Of course if Pete does what I expect and confesses yet blames MLB, the commissioner, etc. for dragging this out, then I hope he rots outside of the HOF. If he had been honest when this started, he would have been in a long time ago.

[akw4572]

Originally posted by The_herd
He wasn't a very good one to begin with, so I don't think it will happen any time soon.

I've also been hoping to see him in the Hall. One, because he belongs there, Shoeless Joe also. Two, so he'll stop his annual autograph signing outside of Cooperstown.

Not true. His winning % puts him 40th all time, just below Tommy Lasorda and Tony Larussa. Ahead of Buck Showalter, Cito Gaston, Jim Leyland and Connie Mack. His team finished 2nd four years in a row. I think alot of people forget how good a manager he was.

[stevew]

I hope they let him in......but only after he dies. Let him spend the rest of his miserable life signing outside of a 7/11 near Cooperstown. Maybe then he can reflect upon how he soiled the game.

[Anthony]

i don't think he should be in. that would set a bad precedent. him being reinstated just says if you bet on baseball, you spend a significant time in the corner, but eventually you'll get a slap on the butt and be allowed in.

he agreed to being banned from baseball in exchange for not having to admit or apologize for his actions. case closed.

[Huckleberry]

Dude lies for decades and now we forgive him? I don't think so.

And Taur, the reason is that there is a MLB rule against gambling on the game. If you gamble on a baseball game in which you have no direct involvement, you are suspended for a year. If you gamble on a baseball game in which you have direct involvement, you are banished from the game. It's posted in every major league clubhouse and has been since well before Rose hit the bigs.

Break a rule, suffer the consequence. Period. The guy has acted like a 5 year old for years and years. Lie, lie, lie, lie. Then finally admit the truth only because there's a spineless commissioner who will let him into the HOF. A completely self-serving jackass that should be ignored forever.

[clintl]

Originally posted by Taur
Could someone with a little Rose knowledge please bust a hole in my arguement.

I have always stated that Pete Rose the player should be allowed in the Hall because he never bet on Baseball. Pete Rose the manager should be banned from baseball for life for betting on baseball.

How many Hall of famers have been arrested for all kinds of crimes after their playing days, but have never been banned or removed from their hall of fames?

If you can be inducted into the Hall of fame as a Player, a Manager, or a Owner; then you should also be banned from the Hall as a Player, A Coach, or a Owner.

The rule is that if you are permanently ineligible, that means you are permanently ineligible for ANY role. And the HOF adopted the rule that anyone permanently ineligible is also ineligible for induction into the Hall - which means in any role.

[Philliesfan980]

If he gets let back in, this will really discredit Baseball. The moral of this story is...

Its ok to bet on baseball kids, as long as you put up great stats, you can break any rule you want!

[Buccaneer]

Originally posted by Philliesfan980
If he gets let back in, this will really discredit Baseball. The moral of this story is...

Its ok to bet on baseball kids, as long as you put up great stats, you can break any rule you want!

Like taking illegal substances to boost power?

[Huckleberry]

Are those against the rules currently?

[clintl]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
Like taking illegal substances to boost power?

I wish people would stop harping on baseball for this, when it's obvious that despite all the testing, penalties, etc., it is a much bigger factor in football. Nature alone doesn't create scores of 350 lb. lineman with speed. For all the complaints about baseball players have gotten bigger and stronger, there hasn't been anything like the growth in size for your average football player. It was only about 15 years ago that 300 lbs was a HUGE player. Now you're kind of a small lineman at that weight.

[Philliesfan980]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
Like taking illegal substances to boost power?

I agree wholeheartedly with that statement also. Its really a shame where baseball has gone in the past 5-10 years, because its still by far my favorite sport. If it turns out that Bonds was using steroids, his records should be discounted signficantly, if not thrown out completly.

[Buccaneer]

I think it applies to all sports, at all levels. Didn't mean to say it's just baseball, just selective hypocricy.

[ntndeacon]

This admission of his SHOULD(I know it wont, but should) lessen his chances of getting into the Hall not increase it. I would like to see him not get in on the first ballot if he is allowed on the HOF ballot. (doesn't Rose have only a couple of years left on that ballot anyway?) If he does get on the ballot, I kinda think that he might not get in on the first time...or at least it will be REAL close. This might be naive of me, but I would like to think that the sportswriters that make up that commitee would punish him some for breaking THE ULTIMATE COMMANDMENT.(Thou shalt not gamble on baseball!)

[jerem77]

Pete Rose makes me sick and should never be allowed in the Hall of Fame. Here are two excerpts from the ESPN story:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1700618

Asked why he finally decided to admit he bet on baseball, Rose said, "It's time to clean the slate, it's time to take responsibility & I'm 14 years late." Rose told Gibson he took so long to make his admission because he "never had the opportunity to tell anybody that was going to help me."

"The only guy I could confess to that would help me was the commissioner of baseball," he said. "And it took me all these years to get face to face."

Need I say more?

[Samdari]

Another reason he should not be reinstated:

HE'S STILL LYING!!!

He did bet from the manager's office. The phone records showing calls from that office to his favorite bookie were the most unassailable link in the chain of evidence which proved he gambled on baseball.

Pete's biggest problem remains that he is dumber than a post and yet imagines himself smarter than everyone. He is trying to walk both sides of the fence here: admitting to gambling on baseball and yet still claim the Dowd report was wrong.

[Subby]

It will fulfill a lifelong dream of mine if Pete Rose never makes it into the Hall of Fame.

I can't think of a single player that has ever treated the game with more disrespect - from his late-career pursuit of the hits record at the expense of his team to his betting <i>on his own team</i> when he was the manager to his shameless hit king hucksterism on HSN and the like.

And now this admission - minus one whit of contrition - at the very moment his new book is about to hit the shelves. What a self-serving, dishonest, over-rated piece of human garbage he is.

[rkmsuf]

He bet on baseball? Amazing stuff...

The fact a network allows this bum on the air to say that is unbelievable...is this supposed to be facinating or something?

[ISiddiqui]

There is no doubt Rose (along with Shoeless Joe Jackson, etc.) should be allowed in the Hall. I don't give a damn what you did outside the field, but if you were good enough on the diamond, you should go to the Hall. The only exception, I guess, is steroid use, because that directly gave you an advantage on the field of play, but even then, if a lot of people were doing it at the time, I may not care.

[Huckleberry]

ISiddiqui -

So the fact that there are rules that explicitly state that 1) if you bet on a baseball game that you are involved in you are banished from MLB and 2) if you are banished from MLB you are not allowed in the HOF doesn't matter to you?

What's the point of any rule, then? And how can you act like other rules against cheating during the game are important? Are you the one that decides which rules are really, really, really important?

[ISiddiqui]

So the fact that there are rules that explicitly state that 1) if you bet on a baseball game that you are involved in you are banished from MLB and 2) if you are banished from MLB you are not allowed in the HOF doesn't matter to you?

Yep, that's right. But you also forgot that the Commissoner can let the banned person back in the game through reinstatement procedures.

What's the point of any rule, then?

So if there is a rule then it is totally set in stone forever and ever? So we can't change the BCS, because it's a 'rule'? How silly!

[Glengoyne]

Originally posted by ISiddiqui
There is no doubt Rose (along with Shoeless Joe Jackson, etc.) should be allowed in the Hall. I don't give a damn what you did outside the field, but if you were good enough on the diamond, you should go to the Hall. The only exception, I guess, is steroid use, because that directly gave you an advantage on the field of play, but even then, if a lot of people were doing it at the time, I may not care.


Even being as big a fan of the exploits of the legendary Shoeless Joe Jackson as I am, I have to disagree with you. I am a far bigger fan of Shoeless Joe than of Pete Rose, but feel that Rose should be allowed back into the game while Jackson should remain forever locked out.

Why Shoeless Joe should be barred from the HoF:
He accepted money from a gambler fixing the world series for profit. Eventhough I am sympathetic with the many reasons as to why he did this, he was part of a group of players that rigged the world series for profit.

Why Pete Rose should be reinstated:
He bet on baseball. He never bet against his team. He never attempted to alter the natural outcome of a game for his own profit, well at least he never tried to get his team to lose for profit. Nothing he did injured the integrity of the game. Well he did violate that one rule, but I think that rule was an over reaction to the Black Sox scandle. Zero tolerance is rarely a good solution to any problem. The punishment should always fit the crime, and Rose has been sufficiently punished.

[ISiddiqui]

Why Shoeless Joe should be barred from the HoF:
He accepted money from a gambler fixing the world series for profit. Eventhough I am sympathetic with the many reasons as to why he did this, he was part of a group of players that rigged the world series for profit.

Here's the thing. I don't care if he took money from gamblers.. if his numbers and play qualify him for a spot in Cooperstown, I think he should be there. Make it about on the field accomplishments, not off the field indiscretions. Hey, if you gamble to lose, you are going to play worse, not better, which will diminish your chances of getting into the Hall.

[rkmsuf]

This arguement and discussion is like having Cousin Eddie over and not being able to send him home...

[stevew]

Look...we all Know Selig is a spineless piece of wormshit. I expect to see Rose back in. Its wrong, but it will happen.

[ISiddiqui]

Why is it wrong? :p

I think Selig is doing the absolute 100% right thing. He got Rose to confess to betting on baseball and is allowing Rose in the Hall (hopefully). Everything looks to be right with the world.

[Glengoyne]

Originally posted by ISiddiqui
Here's the thing. I don't care if he took money from gamblers.. if his numbers and play qualify him for a spot in Cooperstown, I think he should be there. Make it about on the field accomplishments, not off the field indiscretions. Hey, if you gamble to lose, you are going to play worse, not better, which will diminish your chances of getting into the Hall.


It was NOT an off field indiscretion. He took money to throw a game. No less a game than the World Series. What he did actually DID harm the game.

[ISiddiqui]

It was NOT an off field indiscretion. He took money to throw a game. No less a game than the World Series. What he did actually DID harm the game.

Yes... and? Did that diminish his numbers? The Hall of Fame should be for personal accomplishments. When a player shows up for a game drunk that does harm the game too. So what? If he had the stats to go into the Hall, he should go into the Hall. I don't care if he gambled or had sex with 5 year olds or whatever.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by Subby
It will fulfill a lifelong dream of mine if Pete Rose never makes it into the Hall of Fame.

I can't think of a single player that has ever treated the game with more disrespect - from his late-career pursuit of the hits record at the expense of his team to his betting <i>on his own team</i> when he was the manager to his shameless hit king hucksterism on HSN and the like.

And now this admission - minus one whit of contrition - at the very moment his new book is about to hit the shelves. What a self-serving, dishonest, over-rated piece of human garbage he is.

I couldn't have said it better.

[Samdari]

Originally posted by Ronnie Dobbs2
Granted, defending Pete Rose makes me feel kind of slimy, but I think he has a fair point here. If he'd been doing lines of coke off a hookers chest day in and day out he'd have been suspended (x6?), treated, and back in the game.

But, banned for life if that behavior directly compromised the integrity of the game - i.e. throwing games to pay drug debts, etc. It is an apples and oranges comparison, and frankly irrelevant to the discussion.

EDIT: In terms of baseball scumbags, we really need to start discussing Selig more. He gets public money to build a park, promising to spend additional revenue on players, uses his position as commish to push through revenue sharing which will give him more money to spend on players, at which point he cuts payroll. Give the guy credit for being smart, he owns none of the Yankees and yet has managed to legallize embezzling from them.

[Ksyrup]

From Rob Neyer's chat this afternoon:

"Rob Neyer: Thanks for showing up on short notice. I'll start off with questions about Peter Hustle, and if time allows I'll take some non-liar questions."

[TroyF]

Huck and Stevew have the best posts in this thread.

Couldn't agree more with what you said guys. Good job.

Buc,

sorry, when there is a rule that states a player cannot slam a ton of roids down his throat and it's posted in EVERY clubhouse, then you can compare roids to gambling.

Until then, the arguement carries no weight.

Pete Rose disrespected the game of baseball and has done it for a long time. I'll want my future son to play the game with as much hustle as Pete played with. I'll pray to God he never ends up being the person he is.

[kingfc22]

If Rose was really sorry, why not just come out with a press confererence and announce to everybody on live TV that he bet on baseball. Nope he couldn't do that. The greedy bastard is once again looking out for numero uno only. He could care less about baseball and has already proven that by betting on it while a participant and then following up that with denial for 14 years.

Now he realizes that the best thing for him and him only would be to write a book to make some money; appear on TV to sell his book; later down the road I can just see it now - Pete Rose book signings, $20 bucks a pop, hell maybe even a made for TV movie. This guy is a joke and should not allowed to be let into the Hall of Fame. The hall is set up to honor the greatest players in baseball. Is Rose a great player? Hell yeah he is, but he dishonored the game plain and simple and that is why he should not be honored in Cooperstown just like Jackson is not.

[ISiddiqui]

sorry, when there is a rule that states a player cannot slam a ton of roids down his throat and it's posted in EVERY clubhouse, then you can compare roids to gambling.

Are you saying that players don't know that they can't take steriods? Please!

The hall is set up to honor the greatest players in baseball. Is Rose a great player? Hell yeah he is, but he dishonored the game plain and simple and that is why he should not be honored in Cooperstown just like Jackson is not.

Emphasis mine. The rest doesn't mean jack to me.

[Samdari]

Originally posted by ISiddiqui
Are you saying that players don't know that they can't take steriods? Please!

But, according to the rules of baseball, THEY CAN. Why should they know that they can't when the opposite is, in fact, true?

Before you even start on the illegality of obtaining them, consider that baseball should stick to enforcing its own rules and not the law.

[ISiddiqui]

according to the rules of baseball, THEY CAN.

I don't think baseball allows the use of substances that are banned in the US. They may not have mandatory drug testing, but illegal substances probably wouldn't do unpunished, I'd imagine.

[Ksyrup]

On a side note, I find it interesting that the NFL only suspends a player 1 year for betting on his own team. Once again, the NFL gets a free pass on an issue MLB takes more seriously, but when the tables are turned, as with steroids, etc., the media falls all over itself comparing MLB's failings to how the NFL handles those issues.

Don't you think a 1 year suspension is pretty light? I'm not a gambler myself, but I've got to guess that the NFL is a bigger gambling target than MLB, which means it should theoretcially care more about the harm caused to the game by players gambling.

[TroyF]

Originally posted by ISiddiqui
according to the rules of baseball, THEY CAN.

I don't think baseball allows the use of substances that are banned in the US. They may not have mandatory drug testing, but illegal substances probably wouldn't do unpunished, I'd imagine.

Your problem is that most of the substances aren't banned in the US. Some of them are, but not all of them. Most of the stuff guys use like creatin is 100% legal in this country.

As for honoring that scumbag, do it after he's dead and doesn't get the chance to enjoy it.

As Samdari has said, what's the point of having a rule if you aren't going to enforce it? It's been posted on clubhouse walls for over 80 years. Every ballplayer knows about the Black Sox and what it means.

Pete knew very well what could happen. He lost. Maybe in the future he'll learn that posted rules mean something. That integrity means something. Ooops. Too late.

[rkmsuf]

On a side note, I find it interesting that the NFL only suspends a player 1 year for betting on his own team. Once again, the NFL gets a free pass on an issue MLB takes more seriously, but when the tables are turned, as with steroids, etc., the media falls all over itself comparing MLB's failings to how the NFL handles those issues.


First I'd guess a year in the NFL is worth more than a year in baseball since baseball players have longer careers.

I detest the pompus attitude of baseball lore and the ongoing dialogue regarding Rose so I guess I favor the 1 year ban and be done with it...Also outside of a manager it's next to impossible for a single player in either sport to "fix" a game...

Regardless football gets it right since guys like Art Schleister(sp) are not around...

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by rkmsuf
First I'd guess a year in the NFL is worth more than a year in baseball since baseball players have longer careers.

Well sure, but permanent is permanent. In either sport, you would lose the rest of your career. I think the NFL rule is a bit lax, or maybe baseball's is too strict.

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
On a side note, I find it interesting that the NFL only suspends a player 1 year for betting on his own team. Once again, the NFL gets a free pass on an issue MLB takes more seriously, but when the tables are turned, as with steroids, etc., the media falls all over itself comparing MLB's failings to how the NFL handles those issues.

Don't you think a 1 year suspension is pretty light? I'm not a gambler myself, but I've got to guess that the NFL is a bigger gambling target than MLB, which means it should theoretcially care more about the harm caused to the game by players gambling.

Very light. I think most of us who believe Pete should be left out do it for more than just the crime, though. He KNEW the rule. He BROKE the rule. He then thought the best thing to do was LIE about his actions for well over a decade.

Football gets more credit than baseball because more people like their contract system better. Baseball fans should learn to deal with it. Baseball nearly lost me all together because of it. I can only decide for myself what I think is and isn't right.

I think baseball isn't right and football is. This is coming from one of the biggest baseball fans you'd have ever found 15 years ago. Baseball made its own bed with me. Letting this guy get in the hall of fame isn't going to get it any closer to my good graces.

(again, my opinion, not trying to speak for others and baseball could care less about me and my dollars anyway.)

[rkmsuf]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
Well sure, but permanent is permanent. In either sport, you would lose the rest of your career. I think the NFL rule is a bit lax, or maybe baseball's is too strict.

The NFL hasn't had a case like baseball so I'd say their system is fine...

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by TroyF
Very light. I think most of us who believe Pete should be left out do it for more than just the crime, though. He KNEW the rule. He BROKE the rule. He then thought the best thing to do was LIE about his actions for well over a decade.

You'll get no argument from me on that issue. I was just pointing that out, not trying to suggest that Rose shouldn't have to live with the consequences of the rules he played and managed under.

[TroyF]

Originally posted by rkmsuf
The NFL hasn't had a case like baseball so I'd say their system is fine...

cool. :)

What is it in the other sports? Hockey and basketball?

Basketball seems to be one of the easiest to point shave on if that was your cup of tea.

[Ksyrup]

Good question. Basketball seems to be the one sport that has had these kinds of issues, albeit not on a pro level that I can recall.

[TroyF]

From what I can come up with, it appears a player involved a point shaving scheme in basketball will be banned for life in the NBA. I can't come up with an actual rule, but there were players permanently banned in the early 50's because of it and I can't find anything more recent.

[Bad-example]

Rose has had a punk attitude since day one of this mess. He knew the penalty for betting on his team's games, and he bet he wouldn't get caught or that if he did he would be able to weasle out of it. I say put him in the hall after he passes on.

When I think of Pete Rose, two things come to mind...

The Flintstones episode where Fred had a gambling problem...a classic!

And the SNL skit where Dana Carvey as Rainman was helping Rose bet on baseball games.

[clintl]

The NFL has not been completely immune from gambling scandals. Both Paul Hornung and Alex Karras were suspended for betting on their own teams in the '60s.

FWIW, I think the real reason the other sports seem to have had less problems is that they are comparatively young - the Black Sox scandal happened before the NFL, NHL, and NBA even existed, so those leagues already had baseball's example to work from.

[rkmsuf]

Where the heck is is the apology to Jim Gray?

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by rkmsuf
Where the heck is is the apology to Jim Gray?

You mean from the Yankees who left him looking as lonely as a guy could look in a packed Yankees Stadium, in front of a national TV audience?

Man, that was one of the greatest moments of my life!

[Taur]

As I said before I think Pete Rose, the Player, should be allowed into the HOF because he never bet on baseball.


NOw, Why is everyone assuming the Pete Rose, the Manager, never bet against his own team? I have always thought it a little odd that the Commisioner was so silent on the Rose matter, and Pete Rose himself has never tried to legally pettition the courts to force baseball to lift the suspension. (aka unlawfull termination: Loss of potential income)

I always wondered if perhaps deep inside the offices at the MLB in a guarded and locked file cabinet were betting slips from Rose in which he is betting against his own team.

[Samdari]

Originally posted by Taur
As I said before I think Pete Rose, the Player, should be allowed into the HOF because he never bet on baseball.


NOw, Why is everyone assuming the Pete Rose, the Manager, never bet against his own team? I have always thought it a little odd that the Commisioner was so silent on the Rose matter, and Pete Rose himself has never tried to legally pettition the courts to force baseball to lift the suspension. (aka unlawfull termination: Loss of potential income)

I always wondered if perhaps deep inside the offices at the MLB in a guarded and locked file cabinet were betting slips from Rose in which he is betting against his own team.

There has been no publicly reported hard evidence that Rose ever bet against his own team. Rumors, sure, but none of the hundreds of documented baseball bets were against the Reds.

I presume that Rose not legally challenging the suspension has to do with the fact that he agreed to it. He signed a document agreeing to baseball's harshest punishment, tough to claim it was forced on him.

As for the secret file cabinet with the betting slips, I somehow doubt it. Most of the hard evidence that Rose bet on baseball is online at dowdreport.com. That report is supposedly the exact document delivered to MLB detailing Rose's gambling activities. If there were other evidence, it would be too juicy, too valuable to keep secret. The money that could be made....

EDIT: After posting that, I made sure that dowdreport.com is still up. It is. He also posts the agreement Rose signed, in which he agreed (a) not to sue baseball, its commissioner, or any club regarding the suspension and (b) that the office of the commissioner of baseball had the ultimate authority regarding his being on or off the ineligible list.

[Taur]

Originally posted by Samdari
If there were other evidence, it would be too juicy, too valuable to keep secret. The money that could be made....[/B]
I don't know Stern managed to keep the Michael Jordan 18 month suspension for betting on basketball covered up pretty well.

I "Bet" the Stern/Jordan 18 month suspension deal would be even more too juicy, too valuable to keep secret

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by Taur
I don't know Stern managed to keep the Michael Jordan 18 month suspension for betting on basketball covered up pretty well.

I "Bet" the Stern/Jordan 18 month suspension deal would be even more too juicy, too valuable to keep secret

I've always believed that Jordan's "retirement" was a suspension for betting. He just played baseball to keep himself in shape and pass the time.

[Leonidas]

I always thought Rose should be in the HoF, but never work on the field again. However, I think after this book, even if he were allowed back on the HoF ballot, he would not make 75% of the vote. Seems to me the sportswriters are all over his butt over this. There does not seem to be any consensus on the part of the writers to vote him in, even if allowed. Shoot, he even lost three write-in votes this year.

[WSUCougar]

Interesting comments by Jayson Stark on Rose's situation:

Linky (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=1703439)